APU showed footage of the "destruction" of the Russian kamikaze drone "Geran" using mobile anti-aircraft installations

Russian drones-kamikaze "Geran-2" are a real headache for Ukraine, to date, Kyiv has not found really effective means to combat them. So far, the only option is anti-aircraft machine guns mounted on car platforms.

A video is circulating on Ukrainian resources in which the Ukrainian military are fighting the Russian drone, i.e. shoot down the UAV "Geran-2". It is alleged that the author of the video managed to film a real battle, when a group on "jihad-mobiles" with machine guns and searchlights spotted a Russian drone and safely destroyed it. However, as other commentators state, this is a staged video that shows how, according to the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the destruction of kamikaze drones should take place. Accidentally gathering a large number of “drone hunters” in one place is simply impossible during a real drone attack, especially at night, because drones are detected visually.

The fact that mobile groups have been created as part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to hunt for Russian drones has been reported more than once. The most effective way is the installation of machine guns with anti-aircraft sights, as well as searchlights to illuminate the target, on a car platform. Kyiv even ordered in the Czech Republic the production of special anti-aircraft installations based on pickup trucks called Viktor from Excalibur Army, which are a twin anti-aircraft installation of two 14,5 mm machine guns. Such a complex is capable of quickly changing the place of firing and hitting targets at a distance of up to 2 kilometers. Ammunition - 300 rounds in two tapes and an additional stock of another 300 pieces. In total, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should receive one hundred such installations, by the way, paid for by the Netherlands.

At the moment, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use mostly home-made anti-aircraft systems based on various pickup trucks generously supplied by the West as humanitarian aid.

Comments

[Bingo]

The video is not staged, but 7 spotlights at one point - they themselves leaked, yeah, now I already believed)))

[sedoj]

Not ... In no way staged. Just "Geran", having flown some distance, decided to stop and rest. (Well, change the oil there, top up the gasoline or carry out maintenance.) And here, out of nowhere, several jeepers with flashlights at once. The flower hung in surprise. But bad dill also began to shoot from slingshots. Hooligans.
And if you look closely, it was not a flower, and this object did not fly anywhere, but simply hung in one place and stupidly waited for it to be shot down.

[Rosemary]

Yes, it is obvious that these are night shootings at some kind of training ground. The inscription on the video "HF. 3011". This is the 21st separate brigade of public order protection of the National Guard of Ukraine (21 ObrOGP, military unit 3011), stationed in Krivoy Rog.

[Mwg]

"The video is not staged, but 7" - by no means. They move like this: seven by seven, in a semicircle and straight in reverse at the sound of UAVs in a hurry. And behind them are journalists and bloggers.

[Adrey]

Quote from Bingo

The video is not staged, but 7 spotlights at one point - they themselves leaked, yeah, now I already believed)))

Well, this ... In the opening, on the hunt, I saw more terrible

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Adrey

Quote from Bingo

The video is not staged, but 7 spotlights at one point - they themselves leaked, yeah, now I already believed)))

Well, this ... In the opening, on the hunt, I saw more terrible

I, too ... shot poured into the boat in September ...

[Santa Fe]

APU was shown a new unit to combat Iranian UAVs of the Shahid-136 type (the designation Geran is adopted in the Russian armed forces)

Skakuas with machine guns

[26rus]

Are they posing in Gostomel, against the background of the destroyed Mriya ? Like they hint that they can do the same with Geraniums?

[svp67]

Quote: 26rus

Like they hint that they can do the same with Geraniums?

Like they say, look, we "flunked" her ...

[Fizik13]

Quote: Santa Fe

APU showed a new unit to combat Iranian UAVs

From one barrel, without a special sight, and even without a radar with automation, it is very difficult to hit.
To do this, you need 4 barrels with radar and automation, as in Shilka, Tunguska, Pantsir. When setting up these systems, the barrels are set up so that they shoot NOT at one point, BUT ON the area, to create a curtain of projectiles or bullets.

[Letun]

Quote from Fizik13

From one barrel, without a special sight, and even without a radar with automation, it is very difficult to hit.
To do this, you need 4 barrels with radar and automation, as in Shilka, Tunguska, Pantsir.

Well, right then and there, recently, uryakalkas tore the throats of opponents who expressed their doubts under an article where they flooded about how our soldier from Kalash shot down a Ukrainian drone from 600m. I haven't heard any such arguments from them. And so yes. APU they also need special sights, radar with automation, and God is on our side! Therefore, from Kalash, from 600m? Yes Easy!

[Radius]

The case is very real. It was like this a few months ago near Soledar, it seems ...

[svp67]

Quote: Letun

Well, right then and there, recently, uryakalkas tore the throats of opponents who expressed their doubts under an article where they flooded about how our soldier from Kalash shot down a Ukrainian drone from 600m.

And this does not deny the fact that in conditions of EXCELLENT visibility during the day, it is possible to shoot down an enemy UAV even at a greater distance. Experience, the same World War II, says that such cases happened, moreover, it was possible to shoot down a plane with mortar mines ... But in order for this to become a system, it must be somehow automated and managed by this process

[Serg koma]

Quote: svp67

in conditions of EXCELLENT daytime visibility, it is possible to shoot down an enemy UAV at a greater distance.

[Bolt cutter]

Skakuas with machine guns

Those who put their brave photos on the photobank for sale .

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Santa Fe

APU was shown a new unit to combat Iranian UAVs of the Shahid-136 type (the designation Geran is adopted in the Russian armed forces)

Skakuas with machine guns

Carts are somewhat tired. Interesting background. The photo appears to be recent. I heard a couple of days ago, the ho-khly announced that they had begun to restore Mriya, quote: "spare parts were found in the storerooms of the Antonov aircraft plant."
Apparently there is also a fuselage lying around on a distant rack ...

Damn, but the Antonov Aviation Design Bureau was formed in Novosibirsk, and, if I'm not mistaken, the first swallow - An-2 was born here, and became a wing. Transferred to Ukraine.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: Santa Fe

APU showed a new unit to combat Iranian UAVs

What not to do, if only they were not sent to Bakhmut.

[Oleg812spb]

Type - We have Japanese cars, machine guns - American! The enemy will not pass!

[Serg koma]

Evgeny Gavrilov, general director of the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturing enterprise Antonov, said that Ukraine is building a new An-225 Mriya cargo aircraft, the world's largest, including from parts destroyed at an airfield near Kiev.

And where did they put the roof of the hangar - have they already been handed over? Without a roof, probably better preserved . Spare parts were prepared for non-ferrous metal, incl. "jeeps" with bullets in vtorchermet.
That's how the "powerful" bone-headed ones brag about another "overwhelm" in front of sponsors.

[voyaka uh]

This video is an air defense exercise, no doubt.
But they learned to shoot down Gerani more or less. This is also true.
Like Caliber.
Geraniums began to be sent to targets not protected by air defense.
Protected objects are hit by converted S-300s, supersonic KR and BR.

[Dart2027]

Quote: voyaka uh

Protected objects are hit by converted S-300s

Aren't you tired of repeating this nonsense?

Quote: voyaka uh

Like Caliber.

I don't remember any of it.

[voyaka uh]

"Aren't you tired of repeating this nonsense?" ///
---
The fact is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost never use the S-300. They're running out of missiles for them. They are now only hitting the Su-35. Which is extremely rare.
And fragments of S-300 warheads are abundantly found on many Ukrainian objects struck by the Russian side.

[Repellent]

Quote: voyaka uh

The fact is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost never use the S-300. They're running out of missiles for them. They are now only hitting the Su-35. Which is extremely rare

Did you read on the ceiling? You do not have real data, and you have nowhere to be.

Quote: voyaka uh

And the wreckage of the S-300 warhead abundantly find on many Ukrainian objects hit by the Russian side

This is what I believe. The only question is, who are these wreckage there abundantly scattered

[paul3390]

I don’t think that the S-300PS / PT with 5V55R Caliber is right in the teeth like that .. But they don’t have anything newer.

[Dart2027]

Quote: voyaka uh

The fact is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost never use the S-300. They're running out of missiles for them. They are now only hitting the Su-35. Which is extremely rare.
And fragments of S-300 warheads are abundantly found on many Ukrainian objects struck by the Russian side.

As in the joke "and you say." This nonsense has been covered over and over again.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Quote: voyaka uh

The fact is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost never use the S-300. They're running out of missiles for them.

And where do they share them? The Soviet Union left almost half of its stocks of weapons in Ukraine, and the best part, more junk was stored in the Far East. The air defense of Ukraine was the most saturated as the part of the USSR closest to NATO. For all 30 years, Ukraine has been selling these stocks of weapons, that's right, it has sold almost everything it could, but to whom could it sell stocks of S-300 missiles? The former Soviet republics themselves would not mind selling their part of the stocks, while the few operators of the "far" abroad bought their installations from Russia with a full set of new missiles, and will not buy expired illiquid assets, and the United States is extremely nervous about sales of the S-300. So, in the warehouses of the former Ukraine, ammunition for the S-300 is stored, designed to repel a large-scale NATO air attack on the USSR and more than likely exceeding the number of Geraniums and Calibers, which the old modifications of the S-300 most likely do not really see.

[Bingo]

Moved away from the boycott of the Israeli Air Force?

Quote: voyaka uh

Protected objects are hit by converted S-300s

No, washing machines, you have an old training manual, they don’t send new ones to the village of Azrailovka. They save the S-300 in order to shoot themselves, they let cheap converted Iskanders into the targets, an ensign sits inside and steers

[figwam]

Yes, Israeli creativity has dried up

[1 z1]

Little ensigns decided to protect them. Information was received from incompetent sources, not credible, that a decision had been made to use deputies as navigators. Their resource is almost unlimited.

[Bolt cutter]

use deputies as navigators

And the carrying capacity allows ?

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: voyaka uh

Protected objects are hit with converted S-300s,

The ancient S-300 missiles that cut into the high-rise buildings of Ukrainian cities are the work of Ukrainian PPO, firing from the same residential areas. In order for the S-300 to hit somewhere, the missile must be controlled along the entire trajectory. It is not possible to hit the building in the city beyond the horizon with missiles.
An anti-aircraft missile of the years under discussion cannot be stuffed with a trajectory along which it will fly over the horizon and hit a building in the city center. No inertial guidance in the sense that allows you to hit a stationary object outside the guidance of the missiles is not provided. The maximum that the SAM autopilot is capable of is stabilizing the missile and stabilizing the trajectory given from, conditionally generalizing, the guidance station. To do this, the station must see the rocket. In any case, you should see a rocket. Nothing without this. Therefore, it is impossible to hit a building in a city beyond the horizon even with a modified missile with a KVO of 150 meters. Therefore, ours do not shoot at buildings in cities from the S-300. In the Russian army, there are no crayfish that fire volleys of 10 S-300 missiles at urban areas, with a 2% probability of hitting a warehouse, and 98% hitting a school, a playground, and a residential building. Therefore, over-the-horizon shooting at a conditional city with old S-300s is the myth of the Krivoruks "PPO pratsyue !!!". They shot at Geran in urban areas, got into the house - the Muscovites are to blame. That's all the explanation.
And how long the hefty complex, pumped out for "direct fire" under conditional Zaporozhye, will live - this is not even a question ...

[voyaka uh]

"- Initially, even during their development, the S-300 systems included the possibility of firing not only at air targets, but also at ground targets. In the mid-90s, our troops were tasked with studying in more detail the possibility of working "on the ground" We made calculations, trained specialists and carried out such firing at the Ashuluk training ground in the Astrakhan region using the S-300 systems of the PT, PS and PM modifications.

The first such shootings were carried out in 1996. At the very edge of the range - almost outside it, there is still a "cemetery" of containers from under missiles - transport and launch containers. Of these, models were then laid out on the ground imitating various objects that served as targets for firing our complexes at ground targets.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Quote: voyaka uh

Initially, even during their development, the S-300 complexes included the possibility of firing not only at air targets, but also at ground targets

Nobody disputed the possibility of firing somewhere in the direction of the enemy. Can. And you can get into the building. And you can even get into a very low-flying truck.
On one condition. Guess what?
Can you tell me how to execute it in order to shell a building in the center of Zaporozhye beyond the horizon of a missile defense system?
For now, I will remain of my opinion - if they yell on social networks that damn Muscovites fired at houses in the city from the S-300, then these are definitely not Muscovites.

[Bingo]

Calm down, he doesn’t use dill there S-300, only ours are used. Do not interfere with the flight of the TsIPSOsh fantasy - that's when it comes to allegations that the Russian S-300 flew to Poland and Moldova at a range of 150-200 km and that the wreckage of the Iris-T air defense system in Kiev is a converted Russian S-300 with the addition of components from Tochka- Uh, then "he sees that the rabbit has already completely mated, and he can be eaten" - Radio Day
In vain you don’t laugh at the circus, especially since such an attraction is the Israeli FREE circus. Already funny

[Unknown]

Quote: voyaka uh

"- Initially, even during their development, the S-300 systems included the possibility of firing not only at air targets, but also at ground targets.

Quote: voyaka uh

The first such shootings were carried out in 1996. At the very edge of the range - almost outside it, there is still a "cemetery" of containers from under missiles - transport and launch containers. Of these, models were then laid out on the ground imitating various objects that served as targets for firing our complexes at ground targets.

As written spatter. The style is familiar. Exactly!.....[media=http://The use of S-300 anti-aircraft missiles by Russia against ground targets in Ukraine was explained. This technique was worked out at training grounds back in Soviet times][media=http://Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny by Tuesday morning provided a detailed report on missile strikes on Ukrainian energy facilities on 31 October. He calculated that a total of 55 Kh-101 cruise missiles, one Kh-59 guided air missile, 4 Geran-2 and Lancet-3 drones, as well as ... 22 anti-aircraft missiles from the S-300 system arrived from the Russian side. The question arises: why do we use the S-300 defensive air defense system as an offensive weapon? Is this possible in principle?][media=http://This question was answered by one of the current air defense specialists, [media=http://Here is what he said: development, the possibility of firing not only at air targets, but also at ground targets was laid. ]whose last name we do not name for this reason.]..And then the nonsense stated above went on. Everything is clear. In order not to fill your head with all sorts of gag, you don’t need to read “MK”, and your brains will be brighter.

[Bingo]

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

You can’t stuff a trajectory into an anti-aircraft missile of the years under discussion

You are arguing with a fool, citing facts. It's useless because he's D. It's not an insult. and an indicator of mental limitation. I prove why he D:
1) S-300 dill does not use, only according to Su. Moreover, for the Su-35 only, the Su-24, and even more so the Caliber, is not a target. This is what he said.
2) And Caliber shoot down. Holy spirit and a jar of cucumbers, I guess. Well, he said they were knocked down.
3) Objects are covered. What is unknown, but not the S-300 for sure.
4) "A covered object can only be opened by the S-300." Redone. Why - it is not clear, you can see the order from the dill - you see the S-300, do not use any jars with cucumbers.
Well, who is he? "The object is covered because there are no anti-aircraft missiles!" D. See "stupid person, dullard, dumb, slow-witted, reckless"

[Cananecat]

5) One of the chief designers of the C-family complexes himself said long before the start of the SVO that the C300 did not have such an opportunity if they themselves did not fall, but in the C400 such an opportunity was already laid, subject to the replacement of the missile warhead.

[aszzz888]

voyaka uh (Alexey)
Yesterday, 11:39 ... Protected objects are being hit with converted S-300s, supersonic missile launchers and missile launchers.
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A complaint

another breaking of the record)) of a stupid, stupid Jewish talker). You have already filled the state clave with your snot. . and you will be held accountable for it. p.c. don't forget to go get the matzo. Sign and get your ration.

[Filibuster]

APU slingshots are not used in the hunt for UAVs?

[single-n]

Judging by the number of cars and the fact that the beams did not move, it looks a lot like practice shooting. Geranium, of course, is not an instant-29, but still gives out 100 km. More interested in 2 gunners (or who is it?) With laser designators. The blue stripe is, as I understand it, the laser from the target illumination. Well, or a shitty chrome key)

[NIKN]

It’s not at all clear where they are shooting, the rays are straight, the bullets are on a ballistic trajectory (clearly visible below the point of illumination). The idea is, as it were, the implementation is not up to par. At night, in my opinion, the effectiveness tends to zero, without having a preliminary target designation, at least the direction and time of entry into the visual detection zone. And during the day, a searchlight is not needed from the word at all. In general, it is far from air defense.

[Bolt cutter]

spotlights to illuminate the target.

A primitive analog circuit with photodiodes will allow the drones to aim at the beam that "caught" them, making pickups and their operators disposable.

[Al manah]

Maybe drones initially have more valuable goals than some lousy pickup truck? Now, if all sorts of royal nanowolves riveted them in tens of thousands, or the Moscow Region would buy such volumes in China (without kickbacks and gaskets), then it would be possible to extinguish individual pickups.

[Bolt cutter]

some lousy pickup truck?

After two or three pickups, those who want to shoot will be transferred to pieces along with the shooters. And so they may not be 10 out of 9, but they will bring down some percentage.

[Guran33 Sergey]

\al manah \I noticed that you are not very indifferent to Rogozin .. Fell in love and he doesn’t want you ????

[Al manah]

Yes, I love the results of the work of his group, I simply admire their effectiveness.

[1 z1]

If without kickbacks and spacers, then it would be possible not only to hit pickups, but every lamp, traffic light and road sign. That would be complete Pease .., that is, the collapse of transport infrastructure.

[solar]

On such a scheme, they will simply put cheap spotlight traps.

[begemot20091]

Yeah. Keep 7 cars near each object.

[Al manah]

It’s very good that the video is staged, and I’m glad that most of the drones reach the targets, and don’t go astray, as the worthless cissists vilely slander about this. Well, who will believe the enemy, only their own, relatives, lieutenant generals always tell the truth.

[rocket757]

APU showed footage of the "destruction" of the Russian kamikaze drone "Geran" using mobile anti-aircraft installations

. Drones have a lot of tracks in the sky, but it’s much more difficult for mobile memory devices to gather in the right place, at the right time ... about efficiency, jihad of wheelbarrows, you can’t say, below average.

[Rumata]

GERANIUM (SHAHID)
Length 3,5 m
Weight 200 kg (of which 50 are payload)
Range 1 – 800 km
Flight altitude 7 800 m
Speed ​​150-180 km / h
Loitering period 10-12 hours

Why are they not allowed at maximum height? Approach to the target and dive. The VFU air defense missile costs 100 times more and there are not an infinite number of them.
Why a range of 2? Less fuel and more payload.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Because you have to either cut the range, or the payload. And the only chance for slow-moving vehicles to reach the target is to go to WWI in the mode of following the terrain, if any.

[Atlant-1164]

Dovzhenko's film studio hasn't closed yet??

[Reserve officer]

Film studio, maybe Dovzhenko. But the directors are definitely from Hollywood. Well, they filmed the landing on the moon, and then they just organize a shooting range. Shooting at a fixed target. It is strange that Schwartz and Stallone were not attracted.

[constructor_sidorov]

If the topic of aerial drones is covered in Ukrainian media,
It means that the topic is painful for them.
And the described scenario, I think, is ineffective.
A drone at a height is a tiny dot. Try to get in.
Though with a spotlight, though without. Thousands of rounds of ammo are running away.
Plus, we should not forget about false targets - very cheap fliers that fly, fly and divert a lot of air defense systems onto themselves.
Making decoys is cheaper and easier than combat drones.
This is my opinion.

[Rosemary]

Quote: constructor_sidorov

Plus, we should not forget about false targets - very cheap fliers that fly, fly and divert a lot of air defense systems onto themselves.
Making decoys is cheaper and easier than combat drones.

There are no "false drones". A drone or can fly at a certain speed at a certain height with a certain payload mass for a certain distance. Or it can't.

[Guran33 Sergey]

Many have seen how tankers specially trained for these competitions shoot at a tank biathlon from "Vladimirov" at a model of a stationary helicopter .. And according to "Stanislav" - I DO NOT BELIEVE!

[Repellent]

Quote: Guran33 Sergey

... shoot at tank biathlon from "Vladimirov"...

Ahem ... but exactly - "from Vladimirov"?

[Bingo]

Quote: Guran33 Sergey

according to the model of a stationary helicopter

Are you... With Fighter Fly from more than one unit? Otherwise, I will surprise you that for an anti-material SNIPER, without an automatic fire mode, the standard target is "helicopters in a hovering position." Stanislavsky, by the way, could not know this. And you correctly asked above - what kind of KPVT tanks do we have on? ISs kicked out to biathlon?

[HAM]

With such flashlights, pickups themselves turn into excellent targets for "Geraniums" ... they themselves provide illumination ...

[kill the fascist]

Geraniums work according to given coordinates and cannot react to searchlights and shooters. And it hardly makes sense to spend serious ammunition on these carts.

[kill the fascist]

They forgot to start the credits before the video - not a single kamikze drone was injured during the shooting of the video.

[Anadyrean]

The video is not staged. the Ukrainians are alive, the spotlights are real, the machine guns are firing, the night is falling. All is good.

[Fitter65]

In total, the Armed Forces of Ukraine should receive one hundred such installations, by the way, paid for by the Netherlands.

How much is said in this sentence ... You don’t even need to comment on anything.

[BAI]

I think Geraniums will fly in pairs. One to complete the task, the second - to destroy the "hunters"

[decimalegio]

Everyone thought that anti-aircraft guns were no longer needed. And everyone got rid of this type of weapon. Now drones are coming and everyone will know how useful they are. Old weapons never die.

[decimalegio]

The downvoting colleague would obviously use a Patriot missile for every HESA Shahed 136/Geran-2 flying in the sky.

[senima56]

Well, where is the promised "destruction of the Geranium-2 UAV"? The lads gathered at night in cars, turned on the searchlights and shot "in the white light like a pretty penny" That's all!

[Nord11]

A video to raise trousers and a fighting spirit, otherwise the lads have become some kind of cool and they don’t ask for extra tickets for the parade of victory on Red Square ..

[Carlos Hall]

Propaganda. The power plant was turned off today. This was recognized by the Ukrainian government itself. https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3690677-equipment-of-thermal-power-plant-damaged-in-enemy-shelling.html