The FSMTC of the Russian Federation pointed out a gross violation of the Russian-Slovak agreements by the transfer of the MiG-29 to Ukraine

The Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) of the Russian Federation announced a gross violation by the Slovak government of previously concluded international agreements regulating the re-export of Russian-made weapons when delivering MiG-29 aircraft to the Ukrainian army.

The FSMTC statement emphasizes that the corresponding article of the agreement concluded between the governments of the Russian Federation and Slovakia in 1997 clearly spells out the procedure for re-exporting Russian-made weapons.

Each of the parties does not have the right to sell or transfer to third countries weapons, technical documentation and other materials obtained as a result of military-technical cooperation.

The Slovak authorities handed over four of the thirteen MiG-29 fighter jets in service to the Ukrainian army. The Ministry of Defense of the country promised to send the remaining aircraft in the near future. As compensation, the US authorities promised to supply Slovakia with 12 AH-1Z Viper helicopters.

The former head of the country's government, head of the Smer parliamentary party, Robert Fico subsequently stated that the transfer of MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine is a gross violation of the country's constitution and demanded an investigation into this fact. He also added that earlier the Slovak authorities were not going to buy helicopters from the United States, but now Bratislava is forced to pay extra for their delivery.

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[kakvastam]

What treaties can we talk about during the war?!
When they wipe their feet on you, it is better to be silent so as not to be dishonored.

[your1970]

Quote: kakvastam

What treaties can we talk about during the war?!

Are we at war with Slovakia? However...

[Repellent]

Quote: your1970

Are we at war with Slovakia? However...

Friday evening ... everything happens

[Machito]

There can be only one agreement with Slovakia: unconditional surrender and XNUMX% Russification.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Bearded

There can be only one agreement with Slovakia: unconditional surrender and XNUMX% Russification.

So we are not at war with them to sign capitulations.
All sorts of options are possible here, especially unrealizable ones, but it’s just interesting what will follow after the FSMTC of the Russian Federation established the fact of a “gross violation”. Immediately there is a question long in one letter - "And?"
It probably does not make sense to sue, because now their entire judicial system is working against Russia, and the decisions of our courts are not binding on them. How to stir up this "dead end", so that it would be disrespectful in the future? Bomb airfields with hangars in which the remaining MIGs are located? I have no idea how they can be effectively and demonstratively punished, with the exception of one thing, to smash Bratislava to hell. But due to our "acute humanism", this is also not an option.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Nyrobsky

what will follow the fact that the FSMTC of the Russian Federation established the fact of a "gross violation". Immediately there is a question long in one letter - "And?"

A precedent has been set for gross violation of export obligations. Now, I think, we are simply obliged to organize the re-export of everything that is possible, or rather, what is not, through China there, Turkey or someone else. And everyone who does not like it, send on a walking erotic tour through Slovakia.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Polite Elk

A precedent has been set for gross violation of export obligations.

That's how you should answer. Shut off the valve.

Gazprom plans to increase gas transit through Ukraine. According to operators, additional volumes will go to Slovakia. Deliveries of Russian fuel are growing, as prices fell in February, and demand increased due to cold weather.

The article is dated 15.02
They are Khokhlomaniac weapons, ammunition, watered. support, and we are increasing energy supplies to them.
Yes, Russia cannot be understood with the mind ......., or rather, not Russia, but the "celestials" of the Kremlin.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: kapitan92

Yes, Russia cannot be understood with the mind .......

And Gazprom cannot be measured with a yardstick.
The only one - Procrustes would have been able to, otherwise someone's head is too smart and honest, he fulfills "contractual obligations". Here it would be on that smart head and shortened ...

[Havoc]

Quote: kapitan92

The article is dated 15.02
They are Khokhlomaniac weapons, ammunition, watered. support, and we are increasing energy supplies to them.
Yes, Russia cannot be understood with the mind ......., or rather, not Russia, but the "celestials" of the Kremlin

We are not in that position, now every penny counts. We are simply forced to supply energy carriers to those countries that buy them. At least in order to develop their industry. I agree, you can slam the door, but this will not make the budget any easier.

[bayard]

Quote: Nyrobsky

FSMTC RF established the fact of "gross violation". Immediately there is a question long in one letter - "And?"

For example, file a lawsuit with the Basmanny Court against Slovakia for unauthorized re-export of our aircraft and demand a fine in the amount of three times the cost of these aircraft at the price of new aircraft - at the time of delivery.
And the Basmanny Court is obliged to consider this claim with all due care and, having established that the Russian state has suffered more damage than stated in the claim, to impose a fine in the amount of five times the cost of the aircraft delivered by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the FIVE-FOLD size. And assign the appropriate interest for late payment of the fine (I don’t know how it is now, but before it was 0,5% per day of delay from the amount of the fine).
And collect this fine.
No statute of limitations.
With all the accrued interest.
Including by seizing property.

Quote: Nyrobsky

smash Bratislava to hell

Well, this is already as an extreme measure of influence on a malicious defaulter.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Why are the courts working against Russia? Here Deripaska and Potanin resolve their financial issues among themselves in a London court.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov

Here Deripaska and Potanin resolve their financial issues among themselves in a London court.

So, where else can they decide if these two gingerbreads are already more London-based than Russian? Mentally and spiritually, they are there, but we only earn money.

[AAK]

So far, we have no methods against Kolya Saprykin ... but as for the proposals, what for we need them, Russified ... What are these, what are the Poles, what are the rotten little brothers, what are the Czechs, what are the Croats with the Slovenes ... they should have been on to take a tough leash back in the 45th - 50th, to take and keep controlling stakes in all large strategic enterprises, but alas ...

[Aerodrome]

Quote: AAK

So far we have no methods against Kolya Saprykin ...

Bones ! classic or...

[4ekist]

The decision of Bratislava should be taken into account in further relationships or these relationships should be reduced to zero.

[kakvastam]

So we did not fight with Dresden, and with Munich.
Or does someone suspect Slovakia of at least a minimal subjectivity? However...

[Alex Tarkhov]

You sit on the couch .. And fantasize. Where is it said about the war with Slovakia?

[hector]

Quote: your1970

Quote: kakvastam

What treaties can we talk about during the war?!

Are we at war with Slovakia? However...

Formally, no, but in practice Slovakia is fighting by transferring weapons to the side at war with Russia. Moreover, he transfers Russian weapons to a third party, in violation of the agreement, and does it defiantly knowing that there will be no consequences, like the rest. And in order to fight, it is not necessary to officially declare war, this is legal verbiage, the main thing is what actions, only this matters.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

So there is no war, and formally no one violates anything. We have the SVO against Ukraine, they have the ATO against the DPR and LPR. Now, if war were declared, then the transfer of weapons to one of the parties automatically makes the giver a party to the conflict, but if war is declared, then it will be impossible to trade and set records for trade with the EU

[Alexfly]

The war in Ukraine.. And Slovakia is in a different camp, on the side of Ukraine... What kind of agreements can we talk about? In the meantime, according to reports, these MIGs are already "on duty" near Kharkov ...

[guest]

We are at war with NATO, of which Slovakia is a member.

[Diger]

Quote: your1970

Are we at war with Slovakia? However...

1.

Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu said that Russia is currently conducting hostilities not only with Ukraine, but also collective West The time has come when we really fighting with the collective West, with NATO, you can vice versa - NATO, with the collective West

Patrushev:

Russia is not at war with Ukraine, the events taking place there now are this is a military clash between Moscow and NATO

Host of the program "Moscow. Kremlin. Putin" Pavel Zarubin took an exclusive interview with the head of the Russian state. The first question concerned the conclusions from what the president said at the collegium of the Defense Ministry. It turns out that we are already at war with the entire NATO bloc?
2. Three NATO countries blew up the most important energy transport facility of the Russian Federation (Nord Stream), causing enormous economic damage.
And they don't even hide it.
3. Let me remind you: on March 24, 2004, Slovakia became a full member of the North Atlantic Alliance
PySy. Solovyova and Skabeev have been periodically fighting NATO for a year since 2017, and since February 2022, 2 times a day
https://vesti-kaliningrad.ru/60-minut-nato-gotovit-udar-po-rossii/

And Igsperd Korotchenko in January 2022 was already planning a strike on the Baltics

[Repellent]

Quote from Digger

PySy

Multi-bookf, chatter. I repeat the question, or something: bring a document according to which the Russian Federation is now at war with NATO. Well, or at least with Ukraine. Link, please

[arnulla]

Exactly so. Or do it or be silent.
Ignore the responses to your comments.
The site is getting smaller by the day…)

[Ksyusha Oleneva]

Well, can we talk about deliveries of gas, oil, grain, fertilizers to the West?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Now the Poles are going to transfer the MiG-29, such a question, can the United States modernize them in full before the transfer? Namely, to replace the radar with AFAR, EW, Link-16, update all avionics, new missiles Aim-120, Aim-9X, etc.? AGM-88 HARM missiles have already been seen that were launched from the MiG-29.

[blackGRAIL]

It's too costly and labor intensive. The Poles, even for themselves, during the modernization of the MiG-29, abandoned NATO V-V missiles and left the R-27 and R-73 (HARM is completely different). I generally keep quiet about replacing the radar.

During the modernization under the contract in 2011. Polish MiG-29s received new avionics, including MDP on-board computers, MIL-Std-1553В data buses, INSB-29, AVB-29 and HDB-29 interfaces, color multifunction displays and navigation systems with SAASM modules to protect the GPS signal from interference.

[Diger]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

It's too costly and labor intensive. Poles even for

It's expensive, but not hard. The nose cone of the MIG-29 AN / APG-80 will enter with a whistle and even 1,5 pieces can be crammed.
And the 29th had power engineers with a margin. The Americans simply did not give the go-ahead for the transfer of technologies and products without the F-16.

Quote from: blackGRAIL

During the modernization under the contract in 2011. Polish MiG-29s

In 2006, a program was launched to modernize the Slovak MiG-29 version "A" (which had airborne numbers 3709, 3911, 5113, 5515, 5817, 7502, 8003, 8605 and 9308 in the Czechoslovak Air Force) and one double MiG-29UB ("old" number 4401 ) at RSK MIG.

Quote: K-36

I mean, to upgrade according to your Wishlist - assumptions are necessary (for a start)

Did you get lost captain of the K-36 aircraft?
Slovak MIGs (bn above) in 2006 received
AN/APX-113 (kvushki AN/APX-117)
AN / ARC-210, AN / ARN-147 navigation receiver of the VOR / ILS system and digital receiver AN / ARN-153 of the TACAN landing system.
All put on the bus MIL-STD-1553B
installation of a new color liquid crystal multifunctional indicator MFI-54
Pavel Vlasov personally flew around and checked everything and handed them over to the Slovaks

The cost of the modernization program for ten MiG-29 fighters of the Slovak Air Force according to NATO standards is 2,2 billion Slovak crowns (69,6 million dollars), of which 1,6 billion crowns (about $50 million) is written off from the external debt of the Russian Federation of the Slovak Republic, and another 600 million crowns (about $19 million) are invested from the budget of the country's Ministry of Defense.

[K-36]

SW. Lt. Air Force reserve, your phrase "...such a question, can the US upgrade them to the fullest before transfer? Namely, replace the radar with AFAR, EW, Link-16, update all avionics, new missiles Aim-120, Aim-9X, etc.?" plunged me into a stupor. I'm sorry, what is the specialty of l-t of the Air Force reserve? Do you know anything about wiring wires on an airplane?
I mean, to make an upgrade according to your Wishlist - the assumptions are that you need (to begin with) to disassemble the entire aircraft in order to replace all existing wiring with the upgrade you intend . And the installation of the NATO AFAR is finally beyond my mind. Well, it will have to change the entire instrument part of the cockpit to NATO standards. Involuntarily, a counter question begs: is IT worth it?!? On 4 - 10 aircraft of a design that is fading away?!?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: K-36

Well, it will have to change the entire instrument part of the cockpit to NATO standards.

They already changed it in 2011 to NATO standards, as well as wiring, I read that the avionics were modernized, which means that there is no longer a MiG-29 of the 80s model. So it should be easier in theory.

Quote: K-36

Involuntarily, a counter question begs: is IT worth it?!?

The US goal is to give Ukraine fighters that will be more effective than all that it has. In order to deliver the F-16, it is necessary to train pilots and maintenance personnel for a long time. And here the plane is almost of a native design, only modernized.
The same Buki-M1 under Sparrow was modernized.

[Neo-9947]

Quote: K-36

You, I'm sorry, what specialty is l-t of the Air Force reserve?

And you read what he writes, and everything will become clear:

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

In order to deliver the F-16, it is necessary to train pilots and maintenance personnel for a long time.

The fact is that there are no "attendants" in the Air Force, the Air Force is not a hotel with servants.
And no aviator will ever say that.

[BABAY22]

You, dear, are a VUS financier. You have nothing to do with airplanes, helicopters. So you better write about debit / credit, and not about the modernization of the MiG-29, which you only saw on TV.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: BABAY22

So you better write about debit / credit, and not about the modernization of the MiG-29, which you only saw on TV.

So here I am asking questions on a topic that is interesting to me, expecting to receive answers, I am very fond of military topics. Or the financier has no right to be interested in aircraft?
Initially, the question was logical, what plan can be upgraded before deliveries of Polish MiG-29s to Ukraine, what can and cannot be upgraded?
PS MiG-29 saw live in the hangar.

[Arabfun]

The MiG-29 is a Soviet fighter aircraft that was developed in the 1970s. It has a length of 17,32 m, a wingspan of 11,36 m and a height of 4,73 m. The maximum speed of the MiG-29 is 2 km/h. The weight of the empty aircraft is 400 kg. The maximum takeoff weight of the MiG-11 is 000 tons. The practical range of the MiG-29 is 18,5 km. It is equipped with a wide arsenal of weapons, including a single-barreled 29 mm GSh-1 cannon with 430 rounds of ammunition. Air-to-air missiles and aerial bombs can be installed on the aircraft.

The AH-1Z Viper is a twin engine attack helicopter based on the AH-1W SuperCobra. It was designed and manufactured by American aircraft manufacturer Bell Helicopter. The length of the helicopter is 17,68 m. The crew consists of 2 people. The maximum speed of the helicopter is 287 km/h at an altitude of 1 m. The takeoff weight of the helicopter is 000 tons. The AH-8Z Viper is armed with a 1mm triple-barreled cannon with 20 rounds of ammunition and is equipped with six pylons for guided and unguided Hydra 750, AIM-70 Sidewinder, AGM-9 Hellfire missiles.

The Hydra 70 missile is a 70 mm unguided air-to-ground missile. It can be used to destroy lightly armored targets and manpower.

The AIM-9 Sidewinder missile is an air-to-air guided missile with an infrared homing head.

The AGM-114 Hellfire missile is an air-to-ground guided missile with semi-active laser or active radar guidance.*
*(Semi-active laser guidance (SAL) is a missile guidance system that uses a laser beam to illuminate a target. The missile then uses the reflected laser beam to aim at the target. Active radar guidance (ARL) is a missile guidance system that uses radio waves to detect and targeting.)

[tralflot1832]

The Slovaks must already collect money to pay compensation for the violation of the treaty. After the victory in Ukraine, Russia will issue an invoice, the United States is far away, Russia is nearby.

[Machito]

Quote: tralflot1832

The Slovaks must already collect money to pay compensation for the violation of the treaty. After the victory in Ukraine, Russia will issue an invoice, the United States is far away, Russia is nearby.

Yes, the dog is with them.
Bomb this fascist Czechoslovakia to hell.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Isn't someone who wants to bomb any country that he doesn't like have fascist views? And even Czechoslovakia, which has not existed for 30 years

[guest]

So a country that wants to destroy you can't be bombed?

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

And why, then, this principle of yours "the United States is far away, Russia is nearby" did not work in the case of Ukraine?

[German]

"FSVTS of the Russian Federation pointed out a gross violation" ...
And the Slovak authorities indicated to the FSMTC the direction where to go!)))
This stupidity is depressing. It would be better to be silent. Or they sent their instructions through some secret channels, if they were completely unbearable! So that we don't know.

[storm]

Send Petrov and Bashirov there and RPG-7 to help them .....

[Zefr]

Well, Slovakia also has weapons, helicopters, for example. They could stop the service and revoke the certificates or whatever.
Well, stop supplying fuel to nuclear power plants. And then the dog knows what it would occur to them to do with him. B - security

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

You can do a lot of things, another thing is that our leadership is not going to do anything! It still wants to sell resources to the EU countries and get paid for it.

[IgorIP]

Quote: Zefr

Well, Slovakia also has weapons, helicopters, for example. They could stop the service and revoke the certificates or whatever.
Well, stop supplying fuel to nuclear power plants. And then the dog knows what it would occur to them to do with him. B - security

At the very beginning of the SVO, ours delivered fuel there in advance for the next two years. In advance, so to speak)) And yes, a ban on the supply of high-tech products would be just right. Especially in the context that we take our spent fuel (for processing) and Westinghouse does not. That gives it a special piquancy).
But such a ban will not happen .. War is war, but business is on schedule))

[garik77]

Why be outraged? And so it is clear that they spat on all the agreements. We must answer the same. There is no way to answer symmetrically in this area, we need to prick them more painfully where we can

[75 Sergey]

It began to dawn on ours that it was necessary to poke them themselves into the manure.
They did the right thing, PR now rules the ball, look how the forelocks have advertised themselves.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

The war will end, they will not get away and will pay for everything in full according to the contract. Now, of course, they scored on everything and will not pay any fines. But after a few years, everything will have to pay off.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

Who will ask you? This week Africa 20 billion was forgiven.

[Fangaro]

Violation of the order of re-export by Slovakia than threatens Slovakia?
Now all countries are trying to do the best for themselves. That the United States, that Türkiye, that Slovakia, that we ourselves.
Can Slovakia be called to account for violating re-export rules? Can. And how can we get something from Slovakia for this violation?

[Al manah]

It is good that the FSMTC said this so menacingly, probably the consequences will be extremely unpleasant for the Slovaks, perhaps even severe, it is possible that they are simply catastrophic. I'm afraid to imagine what it will be.

[Alexeevich0010]

well, gas and oil will be turned off. According to the court, property in the Russian Federation will be arrested. At least. and FSE-Slovakia will die. because nobody cares. unless they let Svidomo on the organs, no more

[hector]

Quote: Alexeevich0010

well, gas and oil will be turned off. According to the court, property in the Russian Federation will be arrested. At least. and FSE-Slovakia will die. because nobody cares. unless they let Svidomo on the organs, no more

None of these actions will take place, everything will be as before, there is a lot of oil and gas, but we are kind.

[storm]

Instead of whining, it would be better to launch a Caliber with cluster munition at the airfield where the remaining MiG-29s are located.

[ugos]

Really they deceived again, it must be, they never deceived, and here again .....

[guest]

Well, it's like "I myself am glad to be deceived":

[evgen1221]

Is there a violation? Is there! Great, this is your decision, we will now calculate our damage from your actions and include it in the payment of future contracts with your country. Calculations are tormented, and without any courts. But someone didn’t pull you by the ears to violate the contract, so don’t be offended in the future

[vadimab]

So much for "brothers Slavs".

[rotkiv04]

Now the FSMTC should better worry about the S-400s sold to the Turks, but it can simply forget about the MiGs. The stupidity of all these Kremlin figures and their effective managers is simply amazing

[Alex Barrett]

Over the past year there have been so many gross violations of the agreements that it is impossible to remember them all. Although everything is quite symptomatic - if at the beginning of the war Poland was afraid to transfer even spare parts from aircraft to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, now Slovakia transfers the aircraft themselves with no hesitation. It looks like no one believes in the notorious "red lines".

[Volunteer Marek]

It must be admitted that even Slovakia, we cannot answer. I mean to answer in such a way that we ourselves would not be ashamed. Whatever, they became uncomfortable, scared and hurt. Why did it happen? Over the past decades, we have tried very hard to get into such a situation now. There could be no other result.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

"We tried very hard ... to get into such a situation." Who are we? What are abstract generalizing statements? There are specific people in general, who pursued such a policy and whose actions led to such results! They can then tell how they have been deceived for decades, and their fans like to believe that any blunder is not a blunder, but a cunning plan to confuse the enemy.

[guest]

How can we express concern?

[Tim666]

Quote: Bearded

There can be only one agreement with Slovakia: unconditional surrender and XNUMX% Russification.

Kyiv must be taken immediately, without you in the trenches there is no way to cope.

[Mikhail Ya2]

There is only one question, did the USSR supply these MiGs or Russia?

[opposite28]

Nothing surprising in the decision of the Slovak side, absolutely. The cost of relations with the Russian Federation cost Slovakia the cost of additional payments for helicopters from the United States, as well as the cost of damage caused by MiG 29 fighters to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

[Alister kroulegg]

It is right that they focused attention on the violation of the re-export of weapons. It may not matter now, but it may be significant later.

[thrush68]

The owner ordered the slaves. How can you get away here if they hold Faberge very tightly.

[Neriessimta]

The mistake is that you are very kind and the Slovak government is a disaster, these people are so stupid, backward and above all corrupt and evil and we Slovaks hope that Russia will react and attack Slovakia because it will our salvation

[ankir13]

Fraera! change fighters for helicopters, and even with a surcharge! Dependence on the US leads to irrational decisions. Their right to be slaves, violation of agreements on the transfer of weapons to third parties should be punished ....

[Eug]

As far as I know, behind the scenes is the practice of banning the transfer of equipment and weapons to third countries for 20 years, unless otherwise stipulated in the contract. I don’t know which modification exactly, but, most likely, after the collapse of Czechoslovakia, Slovakia got the MiG-29 of the 9-12A series, intended for the countries participating in the Warsaw Pact with reduced avionics characteristics relative to those supplied at the same time
USSR Air Force. Modernization and in what volume - I don’t know, according to the avionics, probably, but there will be questions either with the range or with the mass of the combat load. For me, the question is - from which airfields will they operate? It seems like the Ukrainian ones were defeated (according to Konashenkov), but it will be far from Poland and Romania .. although there are still highways on the territory of Ukraine with quite suitable sections for use as "jump" airfields - he fired back, ran out of fuel, landed for refueling at a minimum of highway and left the airspace of Ukraine ... it may and will certainly be very unpleasant for the RF Armed Forces.

[Anton Cheshev]

The people of Slovakia should know that their government was bought by America. And for this, as a rule, then the people are responsible. Don't believe? Learn history!

[jamonchik]

Our, Russian arms trade needs to be reconsidered .. all of it .. of course, it was necessary yesterday, but as it is .. yesterday the country is friendly, tomorrow not. Now the situation is when we ourselves need all the equipment ..

[guest]

Quote from Jamonchik

yesterday the country is friendly, tomorrow not

Come on, ours and our enemies are not averse to selling.

[Bob Denkin]

Friends, there is anarchy in the world!
The Antichrist is sweeping the world!
Let us Great Russians join in that orchestra!
No law. no rules. No delay...

[IgorIP]

And what will the guarantor and the government do? Express concern?

[Guran33 Sergey]

This violation of the agreements says only one thing - another country in the world has switched to the products of the American military-industrial complex ... and we have lost a client ...

[Dkuznecov]

Maria Zakharova simply obliged express concern #100500.