“Our chips are being dismantled from electric bicycles and cars”: the Swiss company explained the “stuffing” of Russian Orlan drones

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“Our chips are being dismantled from electric bicycles and cars”: the Swiss company explained the “stuffing” of Russian Orlan drones

A few days ago, in the Donbass, the Ukrainian military discovered a fallen Russian reconnaissance drone "Orlan" with an electronic filling allegedly of Swiss origin. In this regard, RSI News conducted an investigation into how sanctioned goods continue to arrive on the Russian market.

In recent years, China has never seen so many Swiss dual-use goods exported to China, peaking in 2022 at over 232 million francs. According to journalists, in the PRC, Russian citizens have allegedly created a network of front companies through which sanctioned products come from the West to the Russian Federation. In particular, this applies to goods manufactured by a Swiss company in Zurich - it was her microchip that was allegedly found among the wreckage of the Orlan UAV.



The possible scenario we are considering for traffic to the Russian defense industry is that our chips are dismantled from commercial products such as electric bicycles and cars. And then installed on the military drones

- gave an explanation to the company's management, explaining that they comply with the sanctions regime, but cannot trace the final recipient of their products.

Asked by reporters about the increase in Swiss tech shipments to China, the CEO said he hadn't noticed an increase in sales in Asia.

As stated in RSI News, microchips from Switzerland are just the tip of the iceberg: a flow of machine tools, spare parts for manufacturing industries and precision (high-precision) tools, which are then used in the defense industry, flows from the country to Russia. According to journalists, in this case, the Russian Federation uses a procurement network allegedly created in Turkey.

It is not clear why in the West all this causes an unhealthy reflection. As if Western sanctions are being implemented with one shout.
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  1. +15
    31 March 2023 14: 00
    until the "French press" and the American Institute for the Study of War with British intelligence speak out on this matter, I will continue to believe Ursula von der Leinen that the Russians use chips from German-made washing machines and kettles to produce missiles and UAVs. wink
    1. +23
      31 March 2023 14: 40
      And for the microcontroller there is no difference what to control - options for spinning clothes or giving commands to steering machines to reach a given geolocation.
      1. +12
        31 March 2023 14: 45
        The most important thing is that the controller can turn the device 360 ​​degrees. This is a slut.... lol
      2. +18
        31 March 2023 17: 17
        Yeah, especially if it's write-protected or one-time programmable.
        I personally reflash my electric kettle every day, then into the washing machine, then into the iron lol
        1. +7
          31 March 2023 18: 11
          Let's not go into details - today is Friday!
          drinks
          1. +3
            April 1 2023 00: 04
            Quote: Simple
            Let's not go into details - today is Friday!

            And today is the 1st of April! wassat
        2. +13
          31 March 2023 18: 25
          such controllers on alik are sold for 100 rubles per bucket. moreover, they are weighed with a spring steelyard, in kilograms))) I exaggerate of course, but the truth is somewhere nearby. For everyone understands that there is nothing military in these chips.
          1. +2
            April 1 2023 03: 38
            2500-4500 unprotected controllers.
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      4. +6
        April 1 2023 05: 33
        The mode was reconfigured from spinning linen to spinning the territory, they put it in the caliber, it flies!
        1. +1
          April 1 2023 20: 14
          I once translated the instructions for a Chinese microcircuit for a car DVD a long time ago. So, I was surprised to learn that it was originally used in an air conditioner. So the microcircuit from the washer can also control the elevators and the motor. There certainly are additional connectors, you can control the reset mechanism.
  2. +6
    31 March 2023 14: 01
    Water will always find its way. There will always be people willing to sell if there is a buyer with money. And now Russia has a lot of money
    1. -10
      31 March 2023 14: 08
      Seriously?! That's why the ruble depreciated it turns out.
      1. +7
        31 March 2023 14: 31
        The ruble is being devalued not because of a lack of money, but for completely different reasons.
        1. -15
          31 March 2023 16: 41
          Rubles are depreciating because there is nothing to provide them with. Nothing is produced, but there is income.
          1. +11
            31 March 2023 18: 25
            The ruble is being depreciated specifically to facilitate exports, and the fact that 150 million people's wallets are lightened at the same time they don't give a damn!!
            1. 0
              April 1 2023 04: 19
              So there is no export. Basically the resources are the same. They are still being sold at a huge discount.
          2. +1
            31 March 2023 18: 28
            The same can be said about the dollar, as well as about any other currency, thanks again to the recalculation of its value through the dollar. The conclusion is the dollar is to blame.
          3. +1
            April 1 2023 01: 25
            Campaign with the economy was very tight. A cheap ruble is good for the economy, just like a cheap yuan is good for the Chinese economy.
            1. +5
              April 1 2023 08: 07
              It remains to understand for whose economy a cheap ruble is beneficial? In our country, it is beneficial only for the oil and gas sector. Which receives cash in foreign currency, and gives it to the budget in rubles. And for everyone else, the cheaper the ruble, the less purchasing power. With all the consequences. Including in the number of purchased scooters and kettles for the extraction of microcircuits.
            2. Aag
              -2
              April 1 2023 12: 15
              Quote: Edward Egorov
              Campaign with the economy was very tight. A cheap ruble is good for the economy, just like a cheap yuan is good for the Chinese economy.

              Don't know. But you definitely didn’t have a problem with the Russian language.)))
    2. -4
      April 1 2023 14: 58
      In Russia at the moment there are a lot of false patriots and not money - they will end soon anyway, including the war! In Orenburg, I am optimizing the social sphere - they are reducing the number of medical workers, educators and their wages, respectively, are being reduced!
    3. -2
      April 1 2023 15: 23
      There is a lack of money in the Russian Federation right now.
      Have you heard about the budget deficit?
  3. +24
    31 March 2023 14: 02
    I won’t regret my electric kettle - where can I bring it so that the microcircuit is soldered ??? wassat

    Figs with him - I will boil tea on the fire.

    PS Summer is coming - electric scooters are everywhere .... From after all, how many microcircuits are riding .... lol
    1. +16
      31 March 2023 14: 06
      Do you have a Swiss electric kettle? I believe that these kettles are Chinese in Switzerland too .. And I would advise these "neutrals" not to cling to other people's achievements Yes
      1. +6
        31 March 2023 14: 09
        PHILIPS, but made in China.
        You definitely deigned to notice about Chinese production.
        1. -3
          31 March 2023 16: 18
          PHILIPS, but made in China.

          PHILIPS is a Dutch company.
          1. +7
            31 March 2023 18: 32
            Quote from stelltok
            PHILIPS is a Dutch company.

            The PHILIPS brand was bought in 2013 by the Chinese, a Chinese company headquartered in Hong Kong TP Vision Technoligy.
            So if you see the word PHILIPS on a TV, monitor or other electronics produced after 2013, you should know that this is pure Chinese, not related to the Netherlands in any way. The same goes for dozens of older brands.
            1. 0
              April 1 2023 07: 02
              Like, for example, the Swedish volvo. They tracked...
            2. 0
              April 1 2023 10: 11
              The PHILIPS brand was bought in 2013 by the Chinese, a Chinese company headquartered in Hong Kong TP Vision Technoligy.

              No. Philips, as it was a Dutch company, has remained.

              Once again Philips This is a company from the Netherlands.

              Koninklijke Philips NV (Royal Philips) is a Dutch multinational company. The company was founded in 1891
              Location Netherlands: Amsterdam

              The main research centers are located in Eindhoven (Netherlands), Cambridge (USA), Bangalore (India) and Shanghai (PRC).
              If you really like to find fault, then PHILIPS belongs to both the USA and the Netherlands and India and China.
              So if you see the word PHILIPS on a TV, monitor or other electronics produced after 2013, you should know that this is pure Chinese, not related to the Netherlands in any way. The same goes for dozens of older brands.

              And here it is?
              Apple is a US company, but it's made in China.
              So what?
              Above was the thesis about the fact that Nexcom has a Swiss electric kettle. supposedly Philips.
              1. 0
                April 1 2023 10: 46
                Quote from stelltok
                No. Philips, as it was a Dutch company, has remained.
                Once again Philips This is a company from the Netherlands.
                Everyone knows how to read Wikipedia garbage.
                Give official sources on the current structure of the owners of this brand.
                1. 0
                  April 1 2023 15: 19
                  Quote: Dali
                  Give official sources on the current structure of the owners of this brand.
                  And what - could only put a minus?
      2. +1
        31 March 2023 16: 47
        Just because it's made in China doesn't mean it's Chinese!
        1. +1
          April 1 2023 10: 48
          Quote: Roma_2
          Just because it's made in China doesn't mean it's Chinese!
          laughing Now try to take away production data from China ... laughing
      3. +1
        31 March 2023 17: 41
        Do you have a Swiss electric kettle?

        I don't have them, but they don't exist in Switzerland either. There were German and Chinese in the store. When I went skiing there, foolishly took a hotel room instead of an apartment. There is nowhere to boil tea. At first I wanted to make a kettle, then I felt sorry for the Swiss and went and bought a teapot - Chinese.
        1. 0
          April 1 2023 17: 09
          "When I went skiing there, I foolishly took a hotel room instead of an apartment. ... and bought a Chinese teapot" - China, probably, only "drives" low-quality goods to Russia, so Chinese bought in Switzerland is buzzing . In the States, even in expensive stores like Bloomingdales or Saks 5th Avenue, most of the goods are "made in PRC". And serve for years. But jeans, New Balance sneakers, Timberlands shoes (for 25 tr in Moscow) and expensive electronic equipment (well, there’s also every little thing like Boeing, haha) - this is their homespun.
          P.S. and when I was skiing in Switzerland, I bought,)) all kinds of expensive chronographs, because I didn’t think that someday microchips would be needed for the needs of the army, which are only in electronic ...))
          1. 0
            April 2 2023 11: 07
            China "drives" to Russia those goods that Russians can afford to buy.
            1. 0
              April 2 2023 15: 24
              "China" drives "to Russia those goods that Russians can afford to buy." - I would probably agree that they clearly divide their goods by country. For example, the same iPhones and computers are made in China, and no one complains. My Spider-ski jacket too, but it has been serving for more than 10 years and is like new. By the way, I don’t understand who downvoted you and why. I put a plus, and it will be 0.
    2. +5
      31 March 2023 14: 09
      Figs with him - I will boil tea on the fire.

      Bravo, Dmitry.)
      1. +9
        31 March 2023 14: 39
        Thank you, colleague. hi
        If only my wife hadn’t dressed up, I would have brought an iron too. Yeah. laughing
        And let the adversaries stink!
        1. +6
          31 March 2023 14: 56
          That's right, we will throw irons from drones :)
          1. +3
            31 March 2023 15: 00
            I suppose that grandmother's iron ones are better there. Modern masses are small. The current here is the mikruhi and then soldering it ... They won’t fit for more.
        2. +1
          31 March 2023 15: 01
          Dima, is your wife also Coma?)
          ... and about the "adversaries" ... yes, let them go to the bathhouse, they stink anyway.
    3. +9
      31 March 2023 14: 30
      According to journalists, in this case, the Russian Federation uses a procurement network allegedly created in Turkey.

      And nearby they talk about the problems of the Grain Deal and the gas hub. It is not that simple! Here the question is not so obvious, the balance is political and economic... And a bit strategic. We don’t really feel sorry for someone else’s grain (Western companies have already chartered it, paid for it and bought land in 404 - this is a pre-war crop), but if you can get something more significant for agreeing to export it, then this is very good.
      The issue of land ownership and future crops in Ukraine will be decided upon the end of the conflict, in favor of the winners.

      And in Georgia, the turnover with the "CIS" (yes-yes) increased 4 times last year. And trade with China is accelerating...

      Sanctioners should, for this case, for true efficiency, prohibit the purchase of everything and everyone, or tighten control to each radio element! But then it's not just a shot in the foot, but soaping up the ropes on your economy with a stern face and formidable determination.

      No one is soldering chips. It’s just that shell companies indicate in their purchases the intended purpose in the form of the production of washing machines, scooters, refrigerators and other civilian equipment. And there is almost no way to check this in advance, because our supplies are "closed" very professionally. Everything is clean and beautiful, the documents do not even smell of Russia.
      1. -2
        31 March 2023 15: 31
        Quote: RealPilot
        No one is soldering chips.

        And if so? I bought it and do what I want with this crap. What do you care about your Switzerland?
        1. +3
          31 March 2023 18: 47
          Now, if you insert a soldered chip into a UAV and give it to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then "You are done, this is an exclusively democratic correct decision."
          And if you give the UAV with a chip to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then "you have sold out to the bloody regime and generally support anti-Western values."
          Something like this :)
    4. +7
      31 March 2023 14: 41
      If this is a chip from a teapot, send it in a valuable parcel to the Altair NPO, where they make "Daggers" out of them wink laughing
      1. +10
        31 March 2023 14: 50
        And do I believe in "Onyx" mikruhi from irons?

        My washing machine does not give anything away, its petty-bourgeois essence is what kind of landmine with a spin at 1100 rpm could be topped up. lol Yes
        1. +4
          31 March 2023 18: 31
          I'm really scared to think where the microcircuits from the PC motherboards will go, and the processor is definitely in the Star Destroyer 4000.))))
      2. +3
        31 March 2023 18: 15
        What do electric kettles have chips in???? winked
        1. +1
          April 1 2023 10: 34
          What do electric kettles have chips in????

          In "smart" there are.
          1. 0
            April 7 2023 18: 57
            Quote: Ua3qhp
            What do electric kettles have chips in????

            In "smart" there are.

            Yes, life has been wasted. Especially when you read about it:
            + + + + +
            The modern home is increasingly equipped with automated devices. This also applies to plumbing. So, people began to actively use smart toilets, which, due to their functions, significantly increase the level of comfort in the toilet room.
            ±++++++++
            So not only can you tear out chips from teapots .....
            ;)
    5. +10
      31 March 2023 14: 51
      Quote: Nexcom
      I won’t regret my electric kettle - where can I bring it so that the microcircuit is soldered ???

      I'm still wildly sorry, but where are the mountains of household appliances without "brains"? I need a light bulb for the iron and a sealant for the refrigerator.
      1. +4
        31 March 2023 15: 58
        laughing Everything has already been taken apart before us ... On drones
      2. +2
        April 1 2023 01: 34
        So everything is used there, not only chips but also cases, only wings are attached and in flight
    6. +6
      31 March 2023 14: 54
      What kind of nonsense are these foreign media writing?! Any radio components can be used for both military and civilian purposes. An alarm clock can wake you up at a certain time, or it can activate a bomb. What is a dual purpose product anyway? Well, what about pitchforks, axes, shovels, clothesline, they can also be used as edged weapons, these are also dual-use products?!))) And why remove the chip from the kettle, it’s easier to screw wings to it, an excellent drone will come out. I drank tea, sent it for reconnaissance, when you return, you drink tea again.))) It all reminds me of a Soviet joke - "A US reconnaissance aircraft flies over our territory and the pilot is surprised why he is not intercepted and shot down. The pilot sees a wheat field and a combine is on it. Suddenly, a surface-to-air missile takes off from the combine and shoots down a US plane. The next day, a TASS message. If the United States does not stop provocative flights over our territory, then we will be forced to replace combines with air defense systems with vertical take-off mowers.") ))
      1. +2
        31 March 2023 15: 03
        Such push-button phones are used by craftsmen barmaley in dressing gowns and slippers to activate explosive devices. If this is not the banter of filmmakers.
      2. +1
        31 March 2023 16: 09
        Quote: Igor Petrovich Gutarov
        The pilot sees a wheat field and a combine on it. Suddenly, a surface-to-air missile takes off from the combine and shoots down a US plane.

        By the way, good idea! I think nuggets have not disappeared in Rus'. They will pick up and deepen your idea. I won’t be surprised if it appears in a couple of years - there are no analogues ... like this ....
        1. 0
          April 1 2023 01: 40
          Of course, nuggets did not disappear in Rus'. Make UAVs out of kettles and irons that are not inferior to the best Western counterparts.
    7. +4
      April 1 2023 10: 46
      I tried to convince my wife to disassemble the washing machine for the needs of the front. She immediately advised me to storm Kyiv alone. According to her, I have much more chances to survive there.
      That's where the fifth column is.
    8. 0
      April 3 2023 18: 57
      Not rolling, but temporarily ownerless, waiting for the user.
      Where is the acceptance of chips from used equipment.
  4. +7
    31 March 2023 14: 05
    Orlan is generally their bike, slightly filed.
    Shh! Just don't tell them!
  5. +11
    31 March 2023 14: 06
    Yes, we don’t have chips in weapons, everything is on a wire, on levers on weights. And it’s strange that it flies and hits. laughingYes, I forgot everything is held on by blue electrical tape with AI and produced using nanotechnology.
    1. +4
      31 March 2023 14: 41
      I just have two skeins of electrical tape in my stash, and it’s blue. Ready to donate to military needs. Yes I will also give the wires little by little. Aluminum "noodle". Yeah.

      PS Tell me, is the black electrical tape no longer a channel? Is it blue???? I'm just not an expert on blue duct tape. wassat
      1. +4
        31 March 2023 18: 22
        Black is the coolest. And the myth about blue was invented by you-know-who.
        [Center]
      2. +1
        April 1 2023 11: 01
        Quote: Nexcom
        I just have two skeins of electrical tape in my stash, and it’s blue.

        Unless the Chinese safeLine ... the adhesive base (adhesive) floats in a month ...
  6. +13
    31 March 2023 14: 10
    You take and disassemble the copter, there are only 2 specialized chips.
    GPS module and radio module, in my copter they are even made as separate scarves.
    It is clear that the positioning module of our warriors is not GPS, but glonass. The radio module remains.
    I can’t imagine where a radio module can be used in a bicycle.
    Probably out of touch with life.
    1. +5
      31 March 2023 14: 33
      How is it where? You ride a bike and listen to music on the radio from the radio module.
  7. +8
    31 March 2023 14: 14
    Under the USSR, the Finns from Nokia did this. They started with re-sticking nameplates, and ended up with the largest transnational corporation, which by the beginning of the 90s gave up to 15% of Finnish GDP. Now "from a great mind" they decided to join NATO. Therefore, denyuzhka will now go to the Turks and the Chinese.
    "Holy place will not be empty"
    (Folk wisdom)
    1. +4
      31 March 2023 14: 26
      As for Nokia ... They didn’t re-glue the nameplates. It was originally a galoshes building office. From these galoshes, they rose ..
      1. +2
        31 March 2023 15: 23
        overshoes>>cables> telephones> telephones and communication equipment
      2. +3
        31 March 2023 15: 47
        Yes, and Nokia died 10+ years before they decided to join NATO .. ​​Even to be precise, it was officially buried 10 years ago, and she died much earlier.
      3. +1
        April 1 2023 05: 37
        Galoshes are a Soviet feature, aren't they? According to GDP
  8. +4
    31 March 2023 14: 18
    According to the title of the article - by God, let them think that they want washing scooters and robotic vacuum cleaners, this is our everything, underestimating such an enemy as Russia will cost them dearly.
    1. +2
      April 1 2023 05: 36
      Underestimating any enemy is costly
  9. +4
    31 March 2023 14: 20
    Is there a car manufacturing facility in Switzerland? I fell behind life, I did not know.
    1. +3
      31 March 2023 14: 37
      Quote from: lukash66
      Is there a car manufacturing facility in Switzerland? I fell behind life, I did not know.

      Yes, MOWAG GmbH (Automotive Plant) has been producing vehicles and universal chassis for the army, firefighters and the national economy since the middle of the last century. Now owned or affiliated with the American General Dynamics and is called GDELS-MOWAG.
      In Ukraine, their vehicles have already been seen:

      SAURER produced trucks, buses, military equipment. About this company, if I'm not mistaken, they wrote here.
      There are still small ones like design bureaus, others are closed, but they previously produced vehicles.
      1. +2
        31 March 2023 14: 48
        What kind of smart guy is going to buy these products to solder microcircuits out of them? And then where is this iron with a non-working engine, transmission (boxes, then go automatic) and other electronic stray to shake off?
        1. +2
          31 March 2023 14: 53
          Apparently, when they write such stories, they judge by themselves. The same frostbitten Sumerian.
        2. +1
          31 March 2023 14: 53
          Quote from: lukash66
          What kind of smart guy is going to buy these products to solder microcircuits out of them? And then where is this iron with a non-working engine and transmission (boxes, then go automatic) to shake off?

          For what? Quietly dismantled "control units". In the automotive industry, not all automakers and do not always have their own full cycle of manufacturing units, there are independent subcontractors that produce electronics for cars, transfer boxes, automatic or mechanical gearboxes, etc.

          My answer was to your question: is there a car industry in Switzerland? What can be "cannibalized" out of them is another question.
    2. +2
      31 March 2023 15: 05
      I don't know about cars and electric bikes. But we have met Swiss electric kettles! Everything that I saw, the names are European, but made in China !!!)))
  10. +8
    31 March 2023 14: 22
    I have never heard more nonsense in my life, buying a car to get a chip out of it, well, or a bicycle, but what kind of chips are in a bicycle by the way ??? Just tin wassat
    1. +3
      31 March 2023 14: 55
      Quote: blackcat
      I have never heard more nonsense in my life, buy a car to get a chip out of it,

      That's not all. A Russian analogue is soldered in place of the soldered chip. Do not disappear as good as Swiss household appliances.
    2. 0
      31 March 2023 16: 53
      what kind of chips are in the bike???

      Bicycles sometimes have a dashboard.
      display (INSTRUMENT PANEL) for electric bike
      https://electrotransport.ru/ussr/index.php?topic=16463.216
      1. 0
        31 March 2023 17: 36
        Bicycles sometimes have a dashboard.
        display (INSTRUMENT PANEL) for electric bike

        And why the hell is it necessary in the UAV?
        1. 0
          31 March 2023 17: 39
          Quote: bk316
          And why the hell is it necessary in the UAV?

          request well, to measure the speed ... for example. And mileage laughing
          1. +2
            31 March 2023 18: 24
            Quote: Repellent
            Quote: bk316
            And why the hell is it necessary in the UAV?

            request well, to measure the speed ... for example. And mileage laughing

            ...and calories - fuel consumption, after all.
          2. 0
            April 3 2023 11: 46
            well, to measure the speed ... for example. And mileage

            Che speedometer and odometer without a touch panel in any way? Lost technology?
    3. 0
      April 1 2023 05: 34
      Pedal assembly for driving a drone
  11. +6
    31 March 2023 14: 24
    our chips are dismantled from commercial products such as electric bicycles and cars. And then installed on military drones

    Let it be assumed. I think that there are several ways to acquire chips. Swiss firms do not necessarily make their chips in Switzerland. For example. Ordered at plants / factories of Asian countries. The factory includes work in the fourth shift and sells made according to gray schemes to everyone. Ps We don't have as many electric bikes as Eagles. Yes, and it's a pity to chicken the animal am I mean bike. sad
    1. 0
      31 March 2023 23: 12
      they know how to use their own chips, as I went on a business trip, my friends asked along the way to throw in Swiss-made chips along the way, in 2008 they cost 7 lyam apiece, as I later found out .. and in general I didn’t expect that Switzerland can make them at all, yes and those that at that time the Chinese could not, maybe now they also do not know how)
      1. +2
        April 2 2023 11: 12
        Is this some kind of joke? In Switzerland, there is not a single semiconductor manufacturing facility, and the most modern facilities in all of Europe are American, and even then they lag behind the advanced ones by 3-4 generations.
  12. +1
    31 March 2023 14: 28
    Business and profits. But the Sumerians can say that we launched the production of drones at a factory at the bottom of the Black Sea, its ancient Ukrainians forgot when they dug the sea. Let them salivate, maybe someone will die of envy)))
  13. +1
    31 March 2023 14: 29
    Well, why lie to tell something .....? Not from electric bikes and scooters, but from irons and washing machines
  14. +1
    31 March 2023 14: 32
    And if all these chips really work well for us, then it’s good! Glory to the Swiss!
  15. +5
    31 March 2023 14: 41
    Nonsense of gray horses, and you mix our oil and use metal, and also use the Periodic Table, here is the answer for Chamberlain.
    1. 0
      April 1 2023 05: 31
      Here, and who sells this oil and metal to them? Not those people who shout that NATO fascists are our enemies?
  16. +3
    31 March 2023 14: 59
    It's easier to make on the basis of arduino sets
  17. +1
    31 March 2023 15: 01
    There was such a story by the Strugatsky Brothers - "Predatory things of the century" .... Civil technology is very perfect and is a source and consumer of a mass of nodes and CHIPs that can be used on military equipment. What is so secret here? Washing machines, TVs, scooters, Construction machinery, machines...machines...all of these need parts. The Russian market on the scale of China or India or Pakistan is ridiculous. How to track?
  18. +5
    31 March 2023 15: 11
    By the way they gave me a good idea. I'll try to make an Orlan-type plane out of my washing machine. If it works out, I will use it to wash clothes and fly to work!)))
    1. 0
      31 March 2023 18: 31
      Quote: Igor Petrovich Gutarov
      By the way they gave me a good idea. I'll try to make an Orlan-type plane out of my washing machine. If it works out, I will use it to wash clothes and fly to work!)))

      If Vyatka - I advise you to remove the counterweight. This, of course, if you do not need a concrete brick every day at work.
  19. 0
    31 March 2023 15: 12
    Tragique! Mais quand, bon dieu, chez Russie-Unie se décidera-t-on à lancer les recherches nécessaires pour doter le pays de tout ce dont il a besoin sans plus jamais recourir à la technologie occidentale ? Et ce sans plus jamais parler de budget évidemment.
    Il est franchement temps, et c'est urgent, que les Russes comprennent qu'il faut voter communiste. Qui a besoin de milliardaires et d'usines privées en Russie, hein ? Personne!
    Il faut effectuer cette tâche en partenariat avec la Chine, bien sûr.
    Russie-Unie, pendant des décennies, a léché les bottes de la secte ultra réactionnaire qui dirige l'Occident ce pour se faire admettre par eux comme les représentants de leur politique dans le pays, mais les autres préfèrent choisir eux-mêmes leurs sous- fifres evidence ha ha ha!
    Que de temps perdu et les conséquences de tout cela se constatent en Ukraine aujourd'hui, comment se fait-il que la Russie ne soit pas en mesure de neutraliser aisément de simples pièces d'artillerie venues d'Occident par exemple, comment se fait -il que de hélicoptères dernier cri ne disposent que de bêtes roquettes pour effectuer leur mission?
    1. -2
      31 March 2023 17: 58
      Nos "communistes" sont les memes compradors, avec des milliards dans la planque. En 1996, nous avons élu les communistes pour quatre ans. Je n'ai remarqué aucune déprivatisation, et il n'y avait que plus de milliardaires parmi les "communistes".
    2. -2
      31 March 2023 17: 58
      Nos "communistes" sont les memes compradors, avec des milliards dans la planque. En 1996, nous avons élu les communistes pour quatre ans. Je n'ai remarqué aucune déprivatisation, et il n'y avait que plus de milliardaires parmi les "communistes".
  20. +1
    31 March 2023 15: 48
    chips are being dismantled from commercial products such as electric bicycles and cars.
    I did not think that I would live to see this tragic time. The 21st century is in the yard, and the world is getting dumber and dumber. Tomorrow they will say that Russia, in order to produce weapons, picks out chips from children's toys. And what, a good move, the main thing for emotions clings. laughing
    1. 0
      31 March 2023 16: 18
      Quote: orionvitt
      Tomorrow they will say that Russia, in order to produce weapons, picks out chips from children's toys
      I won’t say for toys, but there were already supplies of breast pumps that have grown dramatically after the start of the war. With a hint that in Russia they are somehow used for military purposes ...
    2. +1
      April 1 2023 05: 30
      Well, the goal of any media is not to appeal to logic, but to emotions, in order to turn off critical thinking.
  21. 0
    31 March 2023 16: 24
    our chips are dismantled from commercial products such as electric bicycles and cars. And then installed on military drones
    Of course, not washing machines and irons, but still. laughing laughing laughing
  22. +3
    31 March 2023 16: 25
    I wonder what kind of chip can be removed from an electric bike? I've been doing this for over a year now and I'm completely confused. If you pull it out of the main controller, then at best there is a primitive chip for controlling a BLDC engine, it usually does not have functionality for long-distance communication. If you pull it out of the battery, then in the most advanced BMS there is a connection via Bluetooth with an android application to control the state of the elements. Do they think that a military drone can be controlled via Bluetooth? And the most interesting thing is that 99% of these components are from China, since most of the "European" electric bikes are a local rebranding of Chinese models, and nothing more...
  23. +1
    31 March 2023 18: 30
    Such a supply of chips to ride through the streets, they didn’t know, they didn’t guess, but it would come in handy)))
  24. +1
    31 March 2023 19: 03
    This isn't exactly in the news, but since the war started, newspapers have been reporting that the theft of Rotax engines, or ultralight engines in general, has increased in Europe. According to the newspapers, the excuse would be that they are being stolen for Iranian drones. request
  25. +1
    31 March 2023 19: 40
    Nightmare! We dismantle scooters for military weapons. Orc Big Meks from Warhammer are crying out loud with envy!
  26. +2
    April 1 2023 00: 23
    About five years ago I assembled quadrocopters, and not a single teapot from Switzerland was injured. Enough cheap Chinese components. I don’t understand at all, there is complexity in the software, the hardware is generally primitive. A collar for a cat with GPS for 1000 rubles from Aliexpress, filled with epoxy, is enough to make a cruise missile with an accuracy of plus or minus 10 meters. For her, jet engines and software for maneuvering against air defense and missile defense are more important.
  27. 0
    April 1 2023 01: 57
    That is, they pick out the chips, and then where do the scooters and washing machines go? Throw away?... Boo-ha-ha-ha-ha...
  28. -3
    April 1 2023 04: 18
    Dig deeper. These unfortunate chips are 60-90% Russian, as they consist of materials purchased in Russia, electricity is used in production on our gas and fuel oil, logistics are fueled from our oil, production is on conveyors from our metal and rubber, and are made workers from the former USSR or ancestors from Tsarist Russia. Of course, a little exaggerated, but there are grains of truth here and there are many of them. Yes So conscience should not torment when we take our own.
    1. +5
      April 1 2023 05: 24
      You can also say to a cat that she is a dog - she has teeth, ears, four paws and a tail ... a little exaggerated, but there is some kind of mustache of truth in this.
      P. S: The EU receives the lion's share of rare earth metals from China (in transit through the Russian Federation) and if, as you say, everything in these chips is Russian, then why aren't they produced in Russia? Do not be like Ukrainians who loved this practice, pull an owl on a globe in search of great achievements ukrov.
  29. +1
    April 1 2023 05: 21
    Well, what do you want, they give us chips and spare parts, we provide them with resources. At the moment, the trade turnover between the EU and Russia is at the highest level in 8 years (according to Russian media). This is for the people, both sides talk about enemies, and normal guys at a high level make normal money.
  30. 0
    April 1 2023 07: 35
    Making Switzerland a leader in the production of microcircuits? And what?
    If they are used both in electric bikes and in cars, but only the Swiss have learned how to make them, I can’t believe it.
  31. +1
    April 1 2023 11: 31
    The speed limit for electric scooters is 25 km/h. Does it also work on drones with controllers from these devices? Or April XNUMXst?
    1. +1
      April 2 2023 22: 13
      Civilian GPS chips have always had a speed limit of up to 500 m/s. And in height, it seems 21 km. So that you can’t put in ballistic missiles. At one time they were exported, they are monitoring this. Also, software for increasing accuracy, forming the "zero" of the antenna, etc. is not allowed.
  32. +2
    April 1 2023 15: 19
    Exactly, exactly, all the chips were soldered, all the hedgehogs were eaten, and now we are coming to you! wassat
  33. 0
    April 1 2023 17: 01
    I still haven’t moved away from toilets and washing machines, and then there are scooters)))
  34. 0
    April 1 2023 19: 23
    Quote: Polite Elk
    and where are the mountains of household appliances without "brains"?

    Nowhere
    They weren't
    These microcircuits / microcontrollers (if this is true, of course) are bought by shell companies, ostensibly for use in household appliances - those very notorious washing machines and so on)
    Then the chips go through 100500 hands / addresses / front companies and firms, and as a result, never having seen their kettles and washing machines, they end up in Russia, brand new and in packages
    I don't know if this is true or not, but it looks logical
  35. +1
    April 1 2023 20: 20
    I have only one question for the article. Okay, April 1st. But where does Switzerland get its own microchips?
  36. 0
    April 1 2023 22: 18
    Something about mobile phones is silent, there are also chips.
    And there are millions of mobile phones.
  37. 0
    April 1 2023 23: 43
    And the spies poisoned the water with moonshine. Well, the bread is now made of fish scales. Why did they forget about hair dryers and toasters?
  38. 0
    April 2 2023 02: 27
    Quote: tralflot1832
    Yes, we don’t have chips in weapons, everything is on a wire, on levers on weights. And it’s strange that it flies and hits. laughingYes, I forgot everything is held on by blue electrical tape with AI and produced using nanotechnology.

    In the conditions of the most severe sanctions, even blue electrical tape can become a shortage, not to mention wire ... I propose to use other elements for drones - these are sticks (there are many of them in the taiga), and a binder that we can "produce" ourselves .. feel
  39. 0
    April 2 2023 08: 53
    Trophies are cool, I hope it's temporary ..
  40. 0
    April 2 2023 10: 14
    Well, everything is fine. You never know who wants something in the West, the main thing is that we want it.
  41. 0
    April 2 2023 12: 09
    “Our chips are being dismantled from electric bicycles and cars”: the Swiss company explained the “stuffing” of Russian Orlan drones

    Today the police broke into my house and bit out all the chips from household appliances - they say there is not enough for a new "Satan". wassat wassat