The decision on the referendum on renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad may be made after the May holidays

In the Volgograd region, discussions continue on the possibility of renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad.

It should be noted that this is not the first time this issue has been raised. Meanwhile, Russian President Vladimir Putin said back in 2014 that such a decision could be made exclusively by the inhabitants of this region and only by voting.

Recall that once again the theme of renaming the city returned first in July and then in November last year. In this regard, representatives of the local veterans' organization turned to the head of the region, Andrei Bocharov, with a request to study the possibility of renaming the regional center back to Stalingrad.

In response, the official suggested creating a special council that would study the opinions of the residents of the city and the region regarding this initiative, and also recalled that such issues are resolved exclusively through a referendum.

The aforementioned council began holding meetings with representatives of public organizations of the city at the beginning of this week. About it RIA News said the head of the Volgograd Regional Council of Veterans Alexander Strukov.

According to him, meetings with social activists were held in every district of the city. At the same time, he did not report on the position of the latter on the initiative under consideration, adding that the study of the opinion of local residents on this issue will continue.

Strukov noted that no one is going to speed up the decision to hold a corresponding referendum. Most likely it will be accepted after the May holidays.

Finally, the official added that the referendum, if they decide to hold one, will not be tied to the election campaign.

It is worth noting that the last statement deserves special attention. The thing is that against the backdrop of the ongoing NWO in Ukraine, the patriotic spirit of the population of our country is at the highest level.

Therefore, in this situation, it is extremely important to ensure that the idea of ​​holding the aforementioned referendum, as well as its implementation, are not attempts on the wave of patriotism to solve purely political tasks that are far from this.

Comments

[Egeny]

Alister Kroulegg (Eugene)

Namesake, in vain you are so. I'm not a fan of GDP, but this is overkill.
Putin is in his place and rightly so. And with the renaming ... it's high time. Once the West has already got in the teeth, and in order not to forget the lesson, you need to return the name of Victory to the city. I am from St. Petersburg and also "for". We are not turning the city into "Dzhugashviligrad", we are talking about the "city of steel" that stopped the German horde.

[Vend]

Quote from Egeni

Alister Kroulegg (Eugene)

Namesake, in vain you are so. I'm not a fan of GDP, but this is overkill.
Putin is in his place and rightly so. And with the renaming ... it's high time. Once the West has already got in the teeth, and in order not to forget the lesson, you need to return the name of Victory to the city. I am from St. Petersburg and also "for". We are not turning the city into "Dzhugashviligrad", we are talking about the "city of steel" that stopped the German horde.

Well, I'm not against renaming Stalingrad, but the first name of the city Tsaritsyn also has a place to be. But on the other hand, Stalingrad thunders with memory, but few people remember Tsaritsyn.

[isv000]

Quote: Wend

Well, I'm not against renaming Stalingrad, but the first name of the city Tsaritsyn also has a place to be. But on the other hand, Stalingrad thunders with memory, but few people remember Tsaritsyn.

The old name for the river is given, the Queen. Stalingrad is an alloy of blood and steel. Even today in Paris there is Stalingrad Square, and we, in order to please the politicians, took away the well-deserved name from the famous city, so it is high time to restore justice ...

[Egeny]

Yes, Tolya, you are right, I also did not immediately accept my city as "Saint ..." closer to me, like "gangster" Peter ...
I lived in this city.

[North Caucasus]

And who remembers the defense of Volgograd? But nevertheless, Volgograd is the city of the Hero! Strange? There was no city. There was no fight for him. And the city is a hero!

[Saburov_Alexander53]

And who remembers the defense of Volgograd?
It's a pity my father, a front-line soldier, did not live to see the return of the name to Stalingrad. But even more he was indignant, for which they gave the Hero to the city of Kyiv. They handed it over mediocre, losing about 600 thousand prisoners alone. They could not organize an effective underground in the city, there were no real brave ones. Giving the Hero for the liberation of the occupied and corrupt city, it is not clear what his merit is. It is clear that this was a purely political move. The decision to withdraw the Order on the heroism of Kyiv has ripened.

[Sumotori_380]

Then it’s necessary to rename the city, in the battle in which the Russian / Soviet troops of the Amers and Britons bent down - since we are talking about the lesson.

[Egeny]

Roma, you are right. It's just not clear why you are downvoted

[bayard]

Quote from Egeni

. I am from St. Petersburg and also "for". We are not turning the city into "Dzhugashviligrad", we are talking about the "city of steel" that stopped the German horde.

By the way, Donetsk also used to bear the proud name of Stalin - Mr. Stalino, and the region was Stalin's.
After the Debaltsevo operation successfully carried out at the beginning of 2015 and the liberation of the Donetsk Airport, a bust of I.V. Stalin was erected in our city, and medals with the profile of Comrade Stalin were awarded to the participants of the Debaltsevo operation.
Our city is also not made of clay.

[Egeny]

Sorry, general, I'm the daughter of a military man, you were still in diapers when it was, me too.
What do you have against me?

[bayard]

Quote from Egeni

I am a military daughter

It is commendable. Our officers and generals are famous for their daughters.

Quote from Egeni

you were still in diapers when it was, I - too.

If this is about the time when Donetsk was Stalino, then yes, but my friend’s passport has the birthplace of Makiivka, Stalin Region. everything is honest.
And if about the Debaltsevo operation ... then I remember it well.

Quote from Egeni

What do you have against me?

I ?? Against the officer's daughter???
As an officer myself, I can only have the best relationship with our daughters. , and the best memories of youth ...
Our girls are the best.
And it is not discussed !

And he wrote that Donetsk also bore the name of the Father of Nations and Generalisimus of Victory. And our city also has the most direct relation to steel.

[evgen1221]

I highly doubt they will change the name.

[Trapp1st]

I highly doubt they will change the name.

Now is not the right time for this.

[Vladimir_2U]

Only for the sake of the hysterics of the Svidomites and other conditional Nazi-liberda (and the liberda instantly turns into a Nazi, gets a little freedom) it would be worthwhile to carry out such a renaming. But the counterbalance is the understanding that the city ruled by EDRO is not yet worthy of such a name.


In short, I doubt the correctness of such a decision, it would be better if the admission of guilt of the USSR in Katyn and Khokhlomor was officially withdrawn.

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Only for the sake of the hysterics of the Svidomites and other conditional Nazi-liberda (and the liberda instantly turns into a Nazi, gets a little freedom) it would be worthwhile to carry out such a renaming. But the counterbalance is the understanding that the city ruled by EDRO is not yet worthy of such a name.

They are not worth having an entire city renamed for their tantrums.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from Orange Bigg

They are not worth having an entire city renamed for their tantrums.

All over the world then?

[Sumotori_380]

And if Donetsk-in Stalino?. Or in Stalin - he was called that, and that? And then the DPR will have to be called differently? For me, a much more powerful click on the opponent's pride

[Vladimir 290]

Donetsk itself is now a symbol, there is no need to rename it

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Trapp1st

I highly doubt they will change the name.

Now is not the right time for this.

Of course. Again they are trying to ride on the neck of the Soviet heritage. It's all strange. I am for Volgograd, but this does not mean that I am against something Soviet. It’s just that everything has its time. It’s not time to re-paste nameplates. Nobody needs it now. Nobody will understand it.

[bayard]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Nobody needs it now. Nobody will understand it.

This is what everyone needs right now.
To connect the memory of generations, to understand the role of this city and the people who made its name immortal. And for the sake of the memory of those who, holding this city in the most difficult period of the Civil War, performed the Miracle and saved the young Soviet State.
Who remembers these people now?
Stalin - yes, they remember, and this is the most popular head of state in its entire centuries-old history (I hope everyone remembers voting).
Voroshilov - completely forgotten. Especially as a great military commander-nugget, who worked then almost daily uniform miracles ... Why do you think he was then (especially in the interwar period) called the Legendary Marshal? And he created the Red Army. And military operations on Hasan Island, on Halkhingol, the Finnish War (which they planned to fight for about a year, but managed in 3,5 months). And then, leaving the post of Minister of Defense, he began to oversee the entire Soviet defense industry. Did you know about it? Or just Khrushchev's jokes and Zhukov's fables?
Budyonny is the creator and commander of the 1st Cavalry Army, which tore the fronts of the belyaks and invaders like Tuzik a heating pad. And the first merit of this man before the newborn Soviet Republic was the disarmament of the "Wild Division" thrown by Denikin to Petrograd. He not only disarmed them, but also took away the horses - he drove them on foot and unarmed to .... .
If Tsaritsin had fallen when the entire supply of bread for the Soviet Republic hung precisely on Tsaritsin ... world history would have gone in a completely different direction.
All World History.
And the Battle of Stalingrad became for the whole world a symbol of the iron will and unbending spirit of the Soviet people. City of Steel!
By the way, the city of Donetsk used to bear the proud name of Stalino. And the region was Stalin. And the people here are of the same metal.

Quote from Orange Bigg

.No one will understand this.

Come on ??

[cat Rusich]

Quote: bayard

Budyonny is the creator and commander of the 1st Cavalry Army, which tore the fronts of the belyaks and invaders like Tuzik a heating pad. And the first merit of this man before the newborn Soviet Republic was the disarmament of the "Wild Division" thrown by Denikin to Petrograd. He not only disarmed them, but also took away the horses - he drove them on foot and unarmed to .... .

Come on ??

newborn Soviet Republic came into being 26 October 1917...
"Wild Division" went to the North Caucasus in the first days September 1917 and in October was already in the Caucasus. The "Native Caucasian Corps" went to the Caucasus by echelon (train) along railway...
The moral and political decomposition of the "Wild Division" was engaged in delegation of agitators of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee и Executive Committee of the All-Russian Muslim Council - Akhmet Tsalikov, Aitek Namitokov and others.

Quote: bayard

.
Voroshilov - completely forgotten.

November 5, 1935 the city of Lugansk was renamed into Voroshilovgrad...
4 May 1990g The city of Voroshilovgrad was renamed back to Lugansk.

On October 22, 1948, the city of Mariupol was renamed into the city of Mariupol. Zhdanov (in honor of A. A. Zhdanov)
On January 13, 1989, at the request of the inhabitants of the city of Zhdanov, the name of Mariupol was returned to the city.

[isv000]

Quote: Trapp1st

I highly doubt they will change the name.

Now is not the right time for this.

That's the time! Many people will write on the armor: For Stalingrad!

[bayard]

Quote: Trapp1st

Now is not the right time for this.

Right now is the right time.
Unless, of course, we want to survive and win.

[Xnumx vis]

[quote=evgen1221] I doubt very much that they will rename it.[/ quote ------ In general, what is all this for now? That we have already defeated Banderva and the Western pack supporting them? Or will this renaming help someone in life? Iosif Vissarionovich is a huge figure on a global scale. But it is also huge in its contradictions .. Neither my grandfathers, great-grandfathers, nor parents, and I did not feel love for him. There is something not to love. Ordinary Russian ordinary people .. Fought in the Second World War, restored their homeland, but also visited Stalin's camps .. Just like every second one in the USSR at that time.

[man]

but they also visited Stalin's camps .. Just like every second one at that time in the USSR.
so what, absolutely everyone served time, including infants and pets. By the way, the prisoners also won the war, and they fought in handcuffs and shackles

[Incvizitor]

There was nothing to rename from Stalingrad before

[isv000]

Quote: Incvizitor

There was nothing to rename from Stalingrad before

It is equivalent to say: there was nothing to allow Khrushchev to power!

[Uprun]

If this is the will of the people, then so be it, but this "banquet" should be paid for by the people who made the decision, and not from the state budget - any whim for your money. That will be fair. Tomorrow they will want to rename Krasnodar Ekaterinodar at public expense, and so a wave of renaming will go on, the treasury is not a self-collected tablecloth, it needs to be replenished, but there is war in the country, however.

[dmi.pris1]

A bunch of stubborn people want to rename Krasnodar. But with Stalingrad it’s completely different. This is, first of all, the Symbol of Victory. And what about the budget?

[Roma 1977]

I even propose a wording for this referendum: "Which is better: rename Volgograd to Stalingrad or cut off the head of Chubais, Kudrin, Abramovich, Deripaska, Gref ... (the list is incomplete), but at the same time do not rename the city. "

[Leader_Barmaleev]

My friend, have you ever thought that these actions can be combined into one big holiday? Why oppose them?

[Pallas]

That you, sir, are trying to equate the unequal.

[Amateur]

"Which is better: to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad or cut off the head of Chubais, Kudrin, Abramovich, Deripaska, Gref ... (the list is incomplete), but at the same time do not rename the city."

And why did you decide to declare an amnesty for this?

[man]

I even propose a wording for this referendum: "Which is better: rename Volgograd to Stalingrad or cut off the head of Chubais, Kudrin, Abramovich, Deripaska, Gref ... (the list is incomplete), but at the same time do not rename the city. "
An absurd dilemma. What prevents the third point from being introduced into the referendum: "Do both."

[Third district]

Quote: Roma-1977

Which is better: to rename Volgograd to Stalingrad or to cut off the head of Chubais, Kudrin, Abramovich, Deripaska, Gref ... (the list is incomplete), but at the same time do not rename the city.

As Winnie the Pooh said: "Both of them, and preferably more!"

[Million]

I am for!
Another would be to hold a referendum on the need for the Yeltsin Center.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

There is no need for a referendum on this hotbed of tolerance and homosexuality - the Yekaterinburg liberda can gather together and win on it. The Yeltsin Center should be stupidly blown up, and a park laid out in its place. All you need is a willful decision.

[optimistkarus]

The Yeltsin Center is a museum of history, whatever it would be.

[houses]

Quote from: optimistkarus

The Yeltsin Center is a museum of history, whatever it would be.

What story? Stories of betrayal? So in this "museum" it is passed off as a boon! Some kind of crooked mirror, not a museum!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from: optimistkarus

The Yeltsin Center is a museum of history, whatever it would be.

So in this center "Yeltsin" you need to tell the truth about the Yeltsin period of government, and not lies. About bandits, about the destruction of millions of Russian people, the collapse of the Great Country of the USSR, the destruction of industry, about drunkenness and bribery of Yeltsin and his team. There is a lot to tell about. But only the truth!

[Dingo]

You call this abomination "history, whatever it may be"?

[Gomunkul]

You call this abomination "history, whatever it may be"?

All events that happened in the past are history, and the main task is precisely to prevent the repetition of such events in the future. Now just think, who cares about future generations forgetting the events of the past? Who calls for the demolition of monuments in Europe?

[Gomunkul]

The Yeltsin Center should be stupidly blown up, and a park laid out in its place.

Personally, I am against the demolition of any monuments to any rulers, whether it was good or bad, all this is already part of the history of our country and we must treat this history with care. So that the monuments to these rulers themselves arouse the interest of future generations in the study of historical heritage.

[Kotofeich]

I am also against the demolition of monuments, but the Yeltsin Center is not a monument, it is much worse.

[Gomunkul]

but the Yeltsin Center is not a monument, it is much worse.

I agree with you, I really liked the suggestion of a chat colleague:

Yeltsin - the center should be renamed the museum of the liberal genocide of the Russian people

[orionvitt]

Quote: Gomunkul

Personally, I am against the demolition of any monuments to any rulers, whether it was bad or good,

You still erect a monument to Hitler, arguing that he was a great ruler and played an important role in the history of our country. And the rule of Borka the drunk (and his clique), in terms of its devastating consequences, can be compared with the losses in the Great Patriotic War.

[Gomunkul]

I understand your indignation, but in 100 years, the generations that will live in that time will already look at the events of 200 years ago in a different way. Monuments should serve as a reminder that bad events should not be repeated, but equaled and multiplied by good ones. My idea is that future generations do not repeat the mistakes of the previous ones, and monuments are markers of historical events.

“Whoever forgets the lessons of history is doomed to repeat them.” – George Santayana

[Filibuster]

Yeltsin - the center should be renamed the museum of the liberal genocide of the Russian people in the 90s of the twentieth century, as there are Holocaust museums in Israel.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

I really hope that the city will return its correct and historically justified name - STALINGRAD. And always this first step must be followed by the second - to begin to destroy the enemies of the people and to correctly evaluate the work of citizens. Stalin took the country with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb. Now the slogan "We can repeat" is in vogue, and so it seems to me that it's time to stop shouting slogans, it's time to repeat.

[optimistkarus]

Who built canals, factories, millions of convicts.

[Konnick]

Who built canals, factories, millions of convicts.

Uh-huh, and the rest of the citizens rolled balls and did nothing, where do such firemen come from? Who built the Stalingrad tractor plant, the "convicts"?

[houses]

Well, the convicts, it is known, were built by employees of internal law enforcement agencies.
And about Millions of convicts, please specify, did you personally count them?

[orionvitt]

Quote from: optimistkarus

millions of convicts

Let's have billions, don't be shy. The Internet will endure everything.

[Severomor]

Quote from: optimistkarus

millions of prisoners.

Hundreds, to be exact. And another hundred million guarded. Well-known fact. You don't have to prove it, everyone already knows

[Grossvater]

What about millions? Billions! Why be petty!

[Sumotori_380]

The country adopted by Stalin had its own industry. The same Demidovs, more than two hundred years before Stalin in the Urals, laid the foundations of Russian metallurgy

[Third district]

Quote from Sumotori_380

The country adopted by Stalin had its own industry. The same Demidovs, more than two hundred years before Stalin in the Urals, laid the foundations of Russian metallurgy

Yes, yes, according to some reports, it is known that Tsar Nikolai2 was preparing the first flight into space and Admiral Kolchak was to become the first cosmonaut. And the rocket was set in motion with the help of barge haulers.

[Alf]

Quote from Sumotori_380

The country adopted by Stalin quite had its own industry.

And you ask who owned this industry ... You will learn a lot of interesting things ...

[Grossvater]

Had of course, who argues. That's just on the entire territory of the Russian Empire there was 1 (one) enterprise capable of withstanding mass production with an accuracy of 0,001 inches. And for the aviation industry, even wood and nails were imported from behind a hillock.

[ximkim]

Yes..
Campaign, what is needed is not a referendum on renaming the city, but a forced coding from flammable drinks: the government, the Kremlin, the Federal Assembly, etc.

[Pallas]

Give Stalingrad. It is necessary to perpetuate the defenders of the city of the hero forever.

[Nross]

Yes! This is the first point in the basis of the rehabilitation of one of the greatest figures of our time - Comrade Stalin.
Read what he said about those who built socialism in Russia and what came of it:
"Many deeds of our party and people will be spat on primarily abroad, and in our country too ...."
I never understood people that zealously reject the old, having no idea about the new. I always looked with bewilderment at the liberda's snot in the 90s, tried to sober up some, but they understood everything only quite recently, when they poked their noses into their own shit like kittens. Well, they also forgave themselves - recently ....

[optimistkarus]

Much of what he said was written to him by propagandists.

[houses]

It is for you (lower case, no respect), did those same propagandists personally tell?

[Alf]

Quote: talot

It is for you (lower case, no respect), did those same propagandists personally tell?

So they wrote about this in Ogonyok and Novaya Gazeta ... (Sarcasm)

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Yes, there is no region: all of Russia must vote. Stalingrad is a hero city for all of us.

[olezenka1]

I also do not agree with the GDP! Why should only residents of the region vote? I, whose grandfathers returned with severe wounds throughout the war, feel the obligatory PARTNERSHIP in Stalingrad, and not in Volgograd (by the way, a very beautiful name for the city)!
And I think that renaming is a worthy deed for us, contemporaries!

[Egor53]

It's time to rehabilitate Stalin, Beria, Sudoplatov, etc.

[phrases]

Rename, throw a banquet with fireworks and arrange an Olympiad of the unconquered peoples of the world. To walk so to walk, not on their own.

[I dare to_notice_]

A wise person would simply take and return the name of Stalin to the city, and not "crumple the boobs" with the decision to hold a referendum to discuss the possibility of renaming ...
Whatever you do, just do nothing.
As always.

[houses]

Yeah, so that later another, also "wise" in his own way, would also take it and rename it back? No, let it be fixed by the will of the people!

[I dare to_notice_]

For some reason, all the abominations in the world are covered up by the "expression of the will of the people" ...
The world has changed.
Do not cling to what is already dead.

[zloybond]

This is yet another rewriting of history. All the years before thrown out of memory, we will remember our short history. Short memory. All for the glory of political conjuncture.
This is called pushing those who are for and those who are against and making discord for the joy of enemies. During.

[Amateur]

Criminal punishment for falsifying data about the Second World War in Russia should be introduced in order to stop the West's projects to rewrite history. This opinion of the FBA "Economy Today" was voiced by Senator of the Federation Council Committee on International Affairs Sergei Tsekov.

Isn't the renaming of Stalingrad and the stubborn unwillingness of the authorities to cancel this mistake an act of falsifying the history of the Second World War?

[volodimer]

Just like hiding the mausoleum on May 9th.

[Comrade I]

Old fun: rename but not change anything in essence.

[Filibuster]

The entire Russian people support the return of the legendary name Stalingrad!

Stalin is our fighting glory!
Stalin - our youth flight!
Fighting and winning with songs,
Our people follow Stalin.

[optimistkarus]

The Soviet people won.
During the reign of Stalin.
So it's better Sovetishgrad, Pobedosoyuzgrad. What our commanders fought there, in honor of them. They fought, fought for their Motherland, realizing that they had to lie down, not letting the enemy cross the Volga. For the Motherland, Stalin was the leader at this time. He did not command the troops and the operation.
Who do you want to immortalize??????

[Alf]

Quote from: optimistkarus

Who do you want to immortalize??????

The one under whose leadership all this happened.

[likana]

I am for Tsaritsyn, but Stalingrad is also wonderful. I was born not far from the great city, some of my relatives died, some distinguished themselves and survived during the defense of Stalingrad. The main thing is not to forget our history, not to betray the memory of our ancestors, we have something to be proud of and we should not look around at the West and the local liberal riffraff...

[Ghost1]

Yes, they will not return this name, this is unacceptable for the liberal wing.

[JD1979]

What, another round of moving beds is planned? Leningrad next? Funny.

[2 Level Advisor]

and also Sverdlovsk, Kalinin, Kuibyshev, Leningrad .. and wow .. let's live ..

[Ruswolf]

It is right to return to the city its name, which is associated with the Victory, the turning point in the Second World War, with the Fortitude and courage of the Soviet soldier.
But the main thing is that it does not become another fashionable trick.
Remember Leningrad - the city of Lenin. The people were dying of hunger, under the bombing ...... but survived.
But they stole this name - the name of the symbol of the resilience of the Russian people ....
It was fashionable to rename.
Therefore, the choice must be conscious, and the whole country must participate.
And remember that Stalingrad is famous not for the fact that it bore the name of Stalin, but for its heroism and
insubordination.

[Igor Petrovich Gutarov]

I'm all for it!!! And it would not be bad for OAO Moskvich to return the name of its legendary director, the Likhachev Automobile Plant. And rename St. Petersburg, as they did in the First World War, not in the German way, but in the Russian Petrograd. But all this, alas, requires huge costs.

[16112014nk]

Quote: Igor Petrovich Gutarov

JSC "Moskvich" to return the name of its legendary director, Likhachev Automobile Plant

Ivan Alekseevich Likhachev, the legendary director of ZiL, was not the director of Moskvich OJSC.
There is nothing to return here. And rename the city - Za !!!

[Alf]

Quote: Igor Petrovich Gutarov

But all this, alas, requires huge costs.

When in the late 80s and early 90s the renaming of cities in Russia went sporadically, no one cared...

[16112014nk]

In the Volgograd region, discussions continue on the possibility of renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad.

It's high time to do this. But the "fifth column" will make every effort to prevent this. And the GDP, which could say the final word, unfortunately withdrew.

[place]

Perhaps useful from a legal point of view. For the succession of the Russian Federation in relation to the USSR should be based on the recognition of the legitimacy of the then leadership. And then, in anti-Soviet fervor, you can get to a simple question; "If you yourself do not consider the Soviet government to be legitimate, then how should you treat the fact that you declare yourself its legal successors? ... then we ask you to leave the UN and the embassies of many states." What was tolerable 20 years ago may turn against us today.

[Graz]

personal opinion. Of course, the residents of the city themselves must decide, because they live there.
Stalingrad sounds heavy to me and crushes the name itself, it would not be comfortable for me to live in a city with that name. The current name of the Volga River sounds soothing, river (water). it brings life and renewal, and not a reminder of the difficult past of hundreds of thousands of dead, pressing on human perception.

[Tma197725]

Leningrad was renamed to kuuuda fucking time! Despite the millions of victims associated with the blockade, Leningrad, Then at least to Petrograd! And now is not the time, by the way, Vissarrionych is not sickly connected with Tsaritsyn, he was one of the leaders of the civil defense. And some white generals, for example Shkuro, by the way, one of the stormers collaborated well with the Germans! This is the question of good white and red bloodsuckers! Although both there and there were those other characters!

[Konnick]

I will express a blasphemous thought. Stalin understood that the Germans would not give up just like that after the victory near Moscow, and all these operations in the spring of 42 were without hope of a successful completion. Stalin was a little confused by the plan to defeat the Crimean Front and the South-Western in May, where we could not resist the strategic use of the Luftwaffe, which in the first place was able to eliminate command and control. He was especially disappointed with the Crimean Front. Reading memoirs, getting acquainted in more detail with the history of the Second World War, I came to the conclusion that the defeat of the Wehrmacht near Stalingrad was conceived back in January 42nd.
1. The secret decree on the construction of the Volga Rokada was adopted in January 42, although many rested on their laurels. Rokada was covered by air defense units of Moscow and the fact that such a road was opened for the Germans was a big surprise. In addition, it opened by the time our defense industry was restored after the evacuation.
2. In March of the 42nd, an operation was launched to misinform the German command by an agent at our General Staff, perhaps the information transmitted by this agent helped the Wehrmacht near Kharkov and made him believe, then his information was set up that the main winter offensive would be on the Rzhevsky bridgehead. Under Rzhev, Zhukov was sent from Stalingrad just before the start of the operation with the aim of further disinformation.
3. Order 227 of July 27 "Not a step back" was disinformation for Germany, like everything is bad. But in fact, our units and formations retreated to the Volga along the bare steppe with virtually no rearguard battles, so the Germans could not catch up with our troops, no matter how "not a step" was there.
4. According to Zhukov's memoirs, when he and Vasilevsky, by the way, mentioned the encirclement at a meeting with Stalin, Stalin immediately picked up this idea, as if he was waiting for this proposal.
5. Our generals did not know until November about the accumulation of our mobile formations with the help of the Volga Rokada.
6. Well, the last. When Stalin discussed actions for the spring-summer
From Zhukov

JV Stalin assumed that the Nazis, without taking Moscow, would not abandon their main grouping to seize the Caucasus and the south of the country. He said that such a move would lead the German forces to an excessive stretching of the front, which the main German command would not agree to.

With regard to our plans for the spring and early summer of 1942, JV Stalin believed that we still did not have enough forces and means to launch large-scale offensive operations. For the near future, he considered it necessary to confine himself to active strategic defense. However, at the same time, he considered it necessary to carry out private offensive operations in the Crimea, in the Kharkov region, in the Lgovsk-Kursk and Smolensk directions, as well as in the regions of Leningrad and Demyansk ...

Reporting my thoughts, I suggested to I.V. Stalin, as well as to the General Staff, as I have already mentioned, that first of all, deliver powerful blows in the western strategic direction in order to defeat the enemy’s Vyazma-Rzhev grouping. These strikes were to be carried out by the forces of the Western, Kalinin and nearby fronts, as well as the air defense aviation of Moscow ...

Here is how A. M. Vasilevsky, a direct participant in the events, recalls this: [62]

"B. M. Shaposhnikov, taking into account the riskiness of an offensive from an operational bag, which was the Barvenkovo ​​ledge for the troops of the Southwestern Front, intended for this operation, made a proposal to refrain from conducting it. However, the command of the direction continued to insist on its proposal and assured Stalin of the complete success of the operation. He gave permission for it to be carried out and ordered the General Staff to consider the operation an internal affair of the direction and not to interfere in any issues on it.

I once again reported my disagreement with the deployment of several offensive operations simultaneously. However, this consideration was not taken into account and a half-hearted decision followed. B. M. Shaposhnikov, who, as far as I know, was also not a supporter of private offensive operations, this time, unfortunately, kept silent.

Thus, this was a strategic idea of ​​January 42nd. And I am sure that Stalin understood the riskiness of such a strategy to lure the enemy to Stalingrad, stretching the front and removing it from communications.
To catch an opponent on a mistake when he went on the attack and is already confident in his victory.
There was no other alternative at that time.
The name Volgograd is in the furnace of history.

[Report card]

"Finally, the official added that the referendum, if they decide to hold one, will not be tied to the election campaign.
Therefore, in this situation, it is extremely important to ensure that the idea of ​​holding the aforementioned referendum, as well as its implementation, are not attempts on the wave of patriotism to solve purely political tasks that are far from this.

Vasily Volkov vaguely hinted that in September this year elections to the Volgograd City Duma will be held. Some local candidates are testing the waters for the readiness of the nuclear electorate to support the renaming by casting their votes to the appropriate individuals. Hence the fuss with veterans' organizations and so on ...
And here we have already posted under a hundred comments, arguing about whether it is possible to love the Motherland and not love Stalin. Some people think they can't.
But this is their personal opinion.
In fact, we have an election fuss in the city. And the promise to hold a referendum on renaming is the most easily fulfilled promise.
Will the voters support?

[Tim666]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

A bunch of stubborn people want to rename Krasnodar. But with Stalingrad it’s completely different. This is, first of all, the Symbol of Victory. And what about the budget?

Volgograd also wants to rename a handful of stubborn people in their own way, and it is at their expense that they need to be renamed.

[Dmitrii]

I am for Stalingrad! And you can leave the Volgograd region as well. There is Yekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk) and the Sverdlovsk Region, St. Petersburg (Leningrad) and the Leningrad Region. Although for me, Leningrad sounds so much cooler!

[Dmitrii]

Quote: Report Card

"Finally, the official added that the referendum, if they decide to hold one, will not be tied to the election campaign.
Therefore, in this situation, it is extremely important to ensure that the idea of ​​holding the aforementioned referendum, as well as its implementation, are not attempts on the wave of patriotism to solve purely political tasks that are far from this.

Vasily Volkov vaguely hinted that in September this year elections to the Volgograd City Duma will be held. Some local candidates are testing the waters for the readiness of the nuclear electorate to support the renaming by casting their votes to the appropriate individuals. Hence the fuss with veterans' organizations and so on ...
And here we have already posted under a hundred comments, arguing about whether it is possible to love the Motherland and not love Stalin. Some people think they can't.
But this is their personal opinion.
In fact, we have an election fuss in the city. And the promise to hold a referendum on renaming is the most easily fulfilled promise.
Will the voters support?

You can't love our homeland and not love Stalin! In my personal office, his portrait is in the most prominent place in A3 format))

[digger]

The whole world has known and knows the city under the name Stalingrad. The city turned into a hero called Stalingrad. Its renaming in the wake of Stalinophobia was a mistake. So it is fair and necessary to return the historical heroic name to the city.

[Mike77]

And again, not a single Volgograd citizen. Here the airport would be named after Stalin. Or Kulichenko. For me, they are worth each other, although the scale is not comparable. Krasnoarmeisky to Belogvardeisky, Krasnooktyabrsky to Belofevralsky,
Voroshilovsky, damn it, I don’t even know - a referendum should be held. Dzerzhinsky in
Benkendorfsky. It’s also not easy with Beketovka, there won’t be time for Ukrainians. Correctors H. O . X . l. O . V . To . at . renamed to Ukrainian. Changers all around.

[Tma197725]

I don’t know! Beckfendorfs Wrangels Kolchaks Nida Krasnov, who collaborated with the Germans, both those and the Nazis, perhaps for some, heroes as well as the sadist Peeters, Makhno, holder of the Order of the Red Banner of Battle, General Brusilov, Chief of Staff of the Red Guard! Russian history is a paradox! But! Stalingrad, Leningrad, Gorky, Krasnodar, and many others, let's be honest with the blood of our defenders, both military and civilian, well, damn it, they deserve to have their names sound further not only in textbooks, the souls of the dead are crying out especially now! And who are the names of tyrants pressing on ,, remember Peter the Great, whoever, but not a liberal angel, personally chopped the heads. And Catherine the Great, well, certainly did not differ in mercy. And I’m silent that under these reformers, Russians were sold as Russian slaves! And right up to the revolution, an officer could punch a soldier in the face with complete impunity!

[ximkim]

Quote: Trapp1st

I highly doubt they will change the name.

Now is not the right time for this.

Yes.
It's going its own way, and they are playing in the renaming of the city.

[Comrade]

Russian President Vladimir Putin back in 2014 said that such a decision could be made exclusively by the inhabitants of this region and only by voting.

But was it when they renamed Stalingrad to Volgograd, were they interested in the opinion of the townspeople?

[mr wolf]

Quote: orionvitt

Quote from: optimistkarus

millions of convicts

Let's have billions, don't be shy. The Internet will endure everything.

Trillions.. Trillions convicted and tortured personally by Stalin. Who is bigger?

[mr wolf]

Quote from: optimistkarus

The Soviet people won.
During the reign of Stalin.

Well, of course .. So it was. The Soviet people got together, developed plans for all battles on the basis of information provided by intelligence, and carried them out themselves. But Stalin - yes ... Somewhere out there, something "rules" ...

Quote from: optimistkarus

They fought, fought for their Motherland, realizing that they had to lie down, not letting the enemy cross the Volga. For the Motherland, Stalin was the leader at this time. He did not command the troops and the operation.
Who do you want to immortalize??????

Stalin, unlike GDP, although he did not have a military education, however, during the civil war from 1918 to 1920, he was appointed chairman of the Revolutionary Military Councils of various fronts, personally led the large formations of the Red Army and won victories. By the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, he already had serious experience in command and control. And being the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, he personally made decisions on all major operations of a strategic nature ... So your irony is inappropriate ...
Understand - there is no democracy in military affairs - everything is done according to orders, according to developed plans. If a nation, no matter how great it is, loses control during the war, its actions will turn from hostilities into rebellion ... And like all other rebellions, it will be crushed by the enemy.

[I dare to_notice_]

Quote: volodimer

Just like hiding the mausoleum on May 9th.

Probably not to scratch. ))

[I dare to_notice_]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Igor Petrovich Gutarov

But all this, alas, requires huge costs.

When in the late 80s and early 90s the renaming of cities in Russia went sporadically, no one cared...

And nobody announced a referendum.