A mobile bunker on wheels specially designed for the military went for trial operation in the NWO zone

Russian troops may soon receive mobile bunkers that can be easily transferred from place to place and can be used instead of dugouts and other structures of this kind. The first copy of the product has already gone to the NWO zone for trial operation in combat conditions. Alexey Devyatilov, director of the Dorgeotech company, spoke about this.

To date, the Russian army has no mobile bunkers that could provide a comfortable rest for military personnel, while protecting them from artillery shelling. The new product, made of metal, has four beds, can accommodate eight people if necessary, and is equipped with a stove. Size from 2,5 to 6 meters, weight from 1,4 to 2,5 tons. It is installed in trenches or pits, it is also easily removed and transferred to another place by towing, as it has wheels. Can be used as a mobile checkpoint or checkpoint.

The bunkers developed by us make it possible to reliably protect the fighters from being hit by high-explosive fragmentation shells. Metal structure buried in the ground withstands 152 mm ammunition

- leads TASS Devyatilov's words.

To date, the company has developed a whole line of various bunkers, some of which were delivered to the NWO zone last year for testing. Now the company is waiting for the decision of the Ministry of Defense in order to expand full-fledged production in the future.

We have made about 10 bunkers, half of them are already used in the NWO zone. Bunkers differ in functional purpose, diameter, length, number of places. Tactical and technical requirements have now been approved. We are waiting for a decision from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to start development work

- stated in the company.

Comments

[Murmur 55]

We are waiting and wondering if they will order or not.
I know, I know the text of my comment.

[Quote Lavrov]

So not everything is so simple. We take a conditional SME - how should I, as a commander, carry these bunkers, each 2.5t?! And how many do I need for a battalion, regiment, if each has 4 beds? I agree that life is more important, but I live in reality - how can I get transport and drugs behind the wheel? All vehicles of the battalion are painted under RAV, food, etc. Who will bring it to me?
And where can I get a crane for installation / dismantling, etc.
Or give it to the engineering departments, and who will do it there?

Here's what he always wrote about UAVs, that according to this article, it is necessary to comprehensively resolve issues, and not to bring in tails every time we see holes. Only a comprehensive and multi-level analysis can eliminate both the problem and its cause, and anticipate the consequences. And not this kaleidoscope of daily novelties. Elementary, resources are not endless, subcontractors cannot fulfill all orders, therefore, the Ministry of Defense must adopt a strategy and finance work under it.

[Aken]

There are people who can organize and pay for everything. Complex. On several levels. There are resources, including intellectual + production base for this. There is only desire.
And about dragging. It is clear that the battalion will throw all this stuff on the offensive.
This is a defense item. And this is a job for engineering units.

[Normann]

Or maybe you make them?

Your comment text is too short

[zloybond]

Now the company is waiting for the decision of the Ministry of Defense in order to expand full-fledged production in the future.

Everything is complicated in MO. we need GOST, military acceptance, bureaucracy ...
Recently there was an inspiring program with Solovyov - he told about the company that stamped the UAV ... they say there are already thousands in the warehouse. There was a question - they say how is MO? what about supplies to the front????
- Everything turned out to be banal. The MO does not see point-blank, because it does not fit their requirements. Well, as usual, everything is on the shoulders of volunteers and from the purse of citizens to the front.
.... It's not clear ... in the end, who needs it more? Indifferent citizens? Volunteers? - MO?
Of course the front needs it. But bureaucrats - only they are invincible.

[dnestr74]

For me, this is how engineers should deal with this, of course ... But this must be introduced into the staff and equipment for, they already have cranes and excavators, only they need to be transported.

[Andrey Moskvin]

He's also round. Round roll, square drag.

[Repellent]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

Round roll, square roll

Not. In a military way, right - on the contrary

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

We take a conditional SME - how should I, as a commander, carry these bunkers, each 2.5t?!

As I understand it, the construction battalion (engineer troops) should deal with this matter, and the combat units only occupy the trenches and dugouts that are already ready for them and use them for their intended purpose.
And the design, most likely, is one-time. That is, they will bury it, and they will use it, but it is unlikely to dig it out. A new one will be used at the new location. If modern tanks are left to the enemy because of a broken caterpillar, then a buried tin pipe is even more so.

[Comrade Kim]

Good!

That's how they lowered the zampolyp's safe from the second floor.
All documents were made in 2,5 liters of five-star cognac.
PS the safe was over 150kg in weight.

[Quote Lavrov]

Colleague, staff and equipment of engineering departments are designed for current tasks. And this is completely different. And, it's heavy. Even literally. I repeat - 2.5 tons for 4 people. Ok, we count as in the guard or in the navy - 4 beds for 3 shifts. But anyway, just imagine how many of these things are needed for a battalion, a regiment on the defensive. Now multiply by weight. And now, under the weight, find transport, drivers, crane operators. And now GSM. Now for storage. And now the guard to protect these places of storage, and now the uniform and food for the guard, and so on ad infinitum.
That's why I constantly say that you can't give holes, you need a thorough analysis, calculations, experiments, and so on.
Yes, it was necessary to do everything yesterday, but we have no choice. And for me - it's better to do it once, but with high quality, than in an emergency order. This is especially true now with UAVs, it seems to me.

[Quote Lavrov]

Yes, even this is not the most important thing, there are two goals in priority:
1. Saturation of units with weapons, without which there is nothing to do in modern warfare - from reconnaissance, target designation, fire control and UAVs (moreover, those that are needed at each level, with the determination of the place of such units in the staffing structure, information exchange systems, etc.). d);
2. Interdepartmental coordination and change in the organizational structure. What would be the complete synchronism of the actions of all departments, data exchange, operational support, etc. Rethinking the use of the Airborne Forces with light equipment, analysis of the need to form heavy, assault infantry, the place of the Aerospace Forces, the Navy, the Marine Corps in modern combat, etc.

That is, first the idea of ​​the doctrine is created, the goals are determined, and only then the means are created for this. But not like that - I saw a drone on aliexpress - happiness, the volunteers brought armor and a modern uniform - a holiday !!
Only consistency and analysis can help win the war in which economic and military monsters are against us. Only such chiefs as the same Khrulev are needed.

[stankow]

2.5 tons of ammo for one gun crew of 6-7 people. 50 boxes of 50 kg. In a day ! You won't be afraid of tons of military men!

[fif21]

Quote: dnestr74

only for transportation.

It seems to be written that the product is on wheels. It means by trailer, having loaded b / c into it, other necessary property (trenching tools, chainsaws, masses ......) if you think well. The second question is about armor - metal is hard, can hybrid armor be used?
I think the product will find its grateful user.

[Al manah]

You do not believe the author of the article who wrote

which are easily moved from place to place

? That said, it's easy.

[Plane_Junkers]

with the help of four fighters, the round bunker is perfectly thrown right with bare hands

[Machito]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

So not everything is so simple. We take a conditional SME - how should I, as a commander, carry these bunkers, each 2.5t?! And how many do I need for a battalion, regiment, if each has 4 beds? I agree that life is more important, but I live in reality - how can I get transport and drugs behind the wheel? All vehicles of the battalion are painted under RAV, food, etc. Who will bring it to me?
And where can I get a crane for installation / dismantling, etc.
Or give it to the engineering departments, and who will do it there?

Here's what he always wrote about UAVs, that according to this article, it is necessary to comprehensively resolve issues, and not to bring in tails every time we see holes. Only a comprehensive and multi-level analysis can eliminate both the problem and its cause, and anticipate the consequences. And not this kaleidoscope of daily novelties. Elementary, resources are not endless, subcontractors cannot fulfill all orders, therefore, the Ministry of Defense must adopt a strategy and finance work under it.

So so idea. They would have asked for more money for a mobile pillbox. It would be better to do something useful. And so, it is very similar to another cut of the dough.

[stankow]

Mobile, quickly installed bunkers have been around for a long, long time.

[Pavel_Sh]

Offtop.
It seems there was a Soviet development - a mobile self-digging command post.
Here the Soviet concept looked more elaborate.

[PavelT]

Yes, here is an article about this Soviet mobile bunker: https://topwar.ru/157261-bunker-na-kolesah-zaschischennaja-mashina-redut.html

[stankow]

It will fit for the regiment. He has both a crane and a tractor...

[fif21]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Who will bring it to me?

The desire of the commander to have less crap is understandable. But let's think a little about the fighters. Yes, on the "front end" to strengthen the trenches, collapsible shields are needed, equipment for firing points, observation points, command points, ..... But we see the same thing - the tankers have worked and either change the point or retreat to the near rear, artillerymen, rocketmen, mortars are the same. This "near" rear also requires protected shelters, both for personnel and for storing backup equipment, communications, and other complex property (for example, "birds"). Yes, the order of the commander and everything is done from improvised means and disguised, but enemy reconnaissance means also do not sleep. Therefore, let's think about people, their lives. Let the NATO members envy our ability to create comfortable conditions for the fighters.

[fif21]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

I agree that life is more important, but I live in reality - how can I get transport and drugs behind the wheel?

Otmaz does not roll. If a person wants to do something, he does it! If not, then looking for excuses! You would have found both transport and drivers with me, the army is not a collective farm for you.

[skeptic]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

And where can I get a crane for installation / dismantling, etc.

Well, guys got excited. Such modules are needed for special purposes, possibly with already installed equipment. And for fighters, modular structures are needed that can be mounted without unmasking special vehicles. The main trouble is air and space intelligence. The use of modular structures will allow you to install dugouts in the shortest possible time and with less labor costs.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What we need!

We need to develop in the field of engineering arrangement of strong points, checkpoints, checkpoints, otherwise everything is like during the Second World War, dugouts, and dugouts made from improvised materials.

[skeptic]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

What we need!

We need to develop in the field of engineering arrangement of strong points, checkpoints, checkpoints, otherwise everything is like during the Second World War, dugouts, and dugouts made from improvised materials.

Even before the SVO, he came out with various proposals on this topic (modules), to which he received an answer from the Ministry of Defense that everything is in the army, thanked for taking care of the army. ALL! Do you think there are others now???

[Konnick]

Well, if the CBO is for a year, then it’s a necessary thing, and so a bunch of 8 people is still an “idea”.

[Rosemary]

Quote: Konnick

Well, if the CBO is for a year, then it’s a necessary thing, and so a bunch of 8 people is still an “idea”.

Nothing is new under the sun - somewhere, somewhere, someone already had a similar experience. And before inventing something new, you need to look at the experience of predecessors.

The experience of creating a mobile military bunker was in the Soviet Army in the 70s - a protected vehicle for the Redut command post based on the MAZ-543 eight-wheeled chassis with a payload capacity of 19,6 tons.

"Redoubt" was a voluminous protective body with a vestibule and a bottom ejector on the roof, equipped with heating, ventilation and exhaust systems. Inside the protected housing with a useful area of ​​26 sq. m. there were jobs for officers for 10 people and autonomous means of life support.

As a result, it was recognized that the launch of such a machine in a series will be associated with large capital costs, the process of practical application is laborious, and its usefulness is doubtful. And "Redoubt" did not go into mass production.

The experience of using mobile military bunkers was with the Americans during Desert Storm, and they were recognized as impractical - it is faster, easier, cheaper and more convenient to build stationary military bunkers.

[Filibuster]

To dig it in and bury it in the ground to a depth sufficient to protect against artillery shells, an excavator is needed.
Where can I get it on LBS?

[dnestr74]

Engineers have everything, didn’t they know? ........

[Filibuster]

How will each of the hundreds of these bunkers be dug into the LBS? Sapper shovels?
There are not so many engineers to put on every kilometer - they have more important tasks, build crossings, restore bridges, clear the area.

[Aken]

It's all solvable. But it can be solved not within the framework of the staffing table and tasks of the ISR.
Under this equipment, appropriate units with equipment and trained people are needed. And such structures are being built not under artillery fire and under the supervision of drones.
This product is for defense in depth.

[Sergey250455]

The sappers have a machine to create anti-tank ditches. I don't remember the name. The diameter of the wheel that drips is 3,5 meters. When our forest was on fire, the military offered three such vehicles, but the foresters asked for 1000 shovels. Bor burned down

[Aken]

Yes, there is such a machine. Under the diameter of the rotor, an easily erected shelter of the KVSU was created. The department gathers in half an hour. I personally checked. And now I will. I still remember.
Then he laid in a trench and live.
All this was in the USSR.

[Foul skeptic]

The department gathers in half an hour. I personally checked.

Only if you had 110 people in your department. So cut the sturgeon.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Only if you had 110 people in your department. laughing So cut the sturgeon.

And you do not confuse "to assemble a kit" and "to assemble a structure."

[Foul skeptic]

And you do not confuse "to assemble a kit" and "to assemble a structure."

What is the "confusion"?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

What is the "confusion"?

The words "put in a trench" clearly indicate that the commentator means simply assembling an 860 kg kit next to the trench, and that's not all.

a - tracing and excerpt of the pit;
b - assembly of the skeleton of the main room;
c - installation of the vestibule cover;
d - installation of a partition with a hermetic door and fastening of the vestibule to the core of the main room;
e - installation of end diaphragms, air intake and chimney of the structure;
e - installation of shaft exit elements;
g - backfilling and embankment of the structure.

[Foul skeptic]

Vladimir, what a person considers as "underassembly", which is carried out for educational purposes (when log supports are permanently installed so that the structure does not walk due to the round shape, when the vestibule is not connected to the casemate, an intermediate cone is not installed, and sometimes, in depending on the responsibility of the officer, even the hatch), assembly, this is such an everyday thing. I no longer began to write in the first message about a blunder about "laid later" a structure that was originally assembled in a pit and whose elements have neither mortgages nor lugs for slinging.
But the man writes

Then laid in a trench and live

Exactly so, and not in the version you cropped. They do not live in a set, they live in a building.
And in order to live, educational underassembly will not work, firstly. Secondly, in order to live, a ventilation installation, a stove with a chimney, which is not included in the set, but included in the structure, is installed, the floor is laid and bunk beds are installed. This is done before installing the end diaphragms, because then through the hatch you are tormented to do this. Thirdly, in order to live, in practice, from operating experience, something is done that is not provided for in the assembly order - waterproofing.
Well, it is also important that KSV-U is not a type of shelter, it is just a set based on FVS elements. And from the kits, structures of various purposes are assembled - disguised shelters for observers with periscopes removed, command posts, locations of personnel, etc. And the normative labor intensity of construction varies from 18 to 80 people per hour. You can look them up in the "Handbook of an engineer officer" or in the manual "Military fortifications". To work out the skills of articulation of elements, labor-intensive options are not used, it makes no sense, but they are not residential. A residential building for assembly requires 55 people / h, with an entrance like "Laz-2" - 80 people / h.
PS You did not notice that in the list (a...g) "that's all" - this is the work of the engineering department, calculated in man-hours, with the exception of items a (without tracing) and g, which are assigned 2,5 machine-hours, which are not included, of course, in man-hours? ))
PPS In practice, shelters from KSV-U kits are not installed according to the algorithm provided by the theory)))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

You didn’t notice that in the list (a ... g) "that's all"

It's you Timur, you didn't pay attention to the particle "not" - "and NOT that's all."

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

They do not live in a set, they live in a building.

And pay no attention to these words:

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And you do not confuse "assemble the kit" and "assemble the structure"

They do not live in a set, they live in a building.

But the author proposed to live precisely after lowering what was collected into the trench, and not before.

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

the elements of which have neither mortgages nor lugs for slinging.

I think that the rigidity and weight of the assembled structure will completely allow it to be lowered with the help of cables brought under it, even without towels and a traverse

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

PPS In practice, shelters from KSV-U kits are not installed according to the algorithm provided by the theory)))

That's it, that's it.

[EvilCommunist]

8 fighters in 2 shifts of 4 people will bury him so that you will not find
Or have you not heard that 2 guys from the construction battalion are replacing the escalator?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There are special engineering ammunition for undermining the soil. And with large volumes of soil to excavate, it is possible to lay larger explosives.
On the "Large-caliber Trouble" you can watch the process of digging shelters by detonating engineering ammunition.

[skeptic]

Quote: Flibuster

To dig it in and bury it in the ground to a depth sufficient to protect against artillery shells, an excavator is needed.

And ask not to fly, enemy air reconnaissance.

[pavel.tipin]

If the containers are buried, then this one is better. Digging is not necessary.

[bombaher]

What about disguise?

(The text of the question is short, like a mammoth's beak)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from bombaher

What about disguise?

Why dug in to mask?

[former soldier]

What about disguise?

Why dug in to mask?

It is not necessary to mask tightly buried tightly. Approaches and entrance to the dug-in need.

My opinion. On the LBS, you simply can’t have time to equip everything, and with the mobility of the LBS, it makes no sense. It makes sense to use it in a shallow rear to place reserves because long-range systems are a concern.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Former soldier

It is not necessary to mask tightly buried tightly. Approaches and entrance to the dug-in need.

Well, it means the usual measures, nothing supernatural.

Quote: Former soldier

It makes sense to use it in a shallow rear to place reserves because long-range systems are a concern.

With containers, this issue was considered. https://topwar.ru/208190-rassredotochenie-slozhnyj-vopros-i-odin-iz-otvetov.html

[Volunteer Marek]

And, there is nothing to think. If they do, it will be in the wrong quantity, at the wrong price, in the wrong size, and made of metal that will rot in a year. In short, they will again deceive and steal. Until there is the most severe control and the inevitability of punishment for such tricks.

[Al manah]

Until there is the most severe control and the inevitability of punishment for such tricks.

Under the current system, they never will.

[evgen1221]

And what is a grenade launcher sticking out from the top?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: evgen1221

And what is a grenade launcher sticking out from the top?

Spare manhole, if the main entrance fills up / jams.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Spare manhole, if the main entrance fills up / jams.

I don’t see holes for a chimney, ventilation and a toilet.

[salad]

Some kind of crap, 152 mm ammunition, and loaded on a gazelle, which means it weighs little, and hence the question is how much to dig in

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: salat

Some kind of crap, 152 mm ammunition, and loaded on a gazelle, which means it weighs little, and hence the question is how much to dig in

Even dig in half, and fill up with excavated soil from above - already protection against a close detonation. And from the direct, of course, it is necessary very deeply - at least to the fullest.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

If you dig in, then the round bunker is well adapted. Without digging, a concrete block room looks preferable, it will not overheat in the sun and it will be better to keep warm in winter.

[uav80]

And in the Crimea, they put concrete changing cabins ...))))

[Repellent]

Quote: uav80

And in the Crimea concrete cabins

Um. Taki "concrete booths"? Cool.

And this, by the way, is not the same "Crimean wind" that the chickpeas are chasing with the "Crimean partisans"? Not exactly?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: uav80

And in the Crimea, they put concrete changing cabins ...))))

As I understand it, this booth should sit in the ground right up to the embrasure, and even sprinkled on top. And at the moment, it really stands like a changing cabin, or like a public toilet. It is not visible that they were going to dig it in.

[۩NRed۩]

So yes, it is necessary to change the very principle of deployment and placement of parts, more concrete, more engineering equipment.
So the idea is good for nomadic units, such as artillery or air defense. In general, for the rear services, which are a priority for strikes.

[Monster_Fat]

Will it protect against a 155 mm projectile? Oh well. Instead of this shnyaga, which also needs to be buried somehow, it would be better, the usual for dugouts and trenches with trenches, building material ao-time, was brought up. Such things can only be used in the rear.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Such things can only be used in the rear.

Or in preparation for defense, but in the rear, yes, unobservable.

Quote: Monster_Fat

Will it protect against a 155 mm projectile? Oh well.

The soil provides the main protection, and such a block does not allow the soil to crush / fill up the volume, as happened in ordinary dugouts.

[VOVA30930]

Strange idea. Isn't it more practical to use chainsaws and wood in large quantities?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from: VOVA30930

Strange idea. Isn't it more practical to use chainsaws and wood in large quantities?

For a dacha - no doubt, but for sheltered housing, this is better.

[kill the fascist]

All this is great, but it resembles a tank with a dry closet. In my opinion, from the couch, it is now more important for our units of the NMD to increase the staff of fighters, saturate the units with tanks, strike UAVs and high-precision artillery, high-quality communications. And they will do without bunkers.

[Lynx2000]

To install it as a dugout for l / s in the advanced orders on the LBS - the event itself will still be that quest, dig a pit, adjust this "beam" which will be visible from a distance of 2 m with the naked eye, adjust the crane (or CMU), unload . This is the time and unmasking.
How was it determined that this design can withstand a 152 mm artillery shell in the ground? Were there tests? Direct hit? What is the thickness of the soil from above, above the arch of the "bunker"? Do I still need to build ramps?

The products of Dorgeotech LLC are very similar to the previously proposed cellar (not advertising):
https://dorgeoteh.ru/proizvodstvo-svmgt/primenenie-svmgt/

Suppose, okay, if there is no benefit, the main thing is that there is no harm.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lynx2000

The products of Dorgeotech LLC are very similar to the previously proposed cellar (not advertising):

Well done, found the use of products.

Quote: Lynx2000

How was it determined that this design can withstand a 152 mm artillery shell in the ground? Were there tests? Direct hit? What is the thickness of the soil from above, above the arch of the "bunker"? Do I still need to build ramps?

Surely there are standards for shelters such as a gap, and even 1,5, not to mention 4 mm of corrugated metal, is definitely better than an open gap and will hold enough soil to dig deep. In the comments to my article, such issues were discussed
https://topwar.ru/208190-rassredotochenie-slozhnyj-vopros-i-odin-iz-otvetov.html

http://army.armor.kiev.ua/fort/us-fort-8c.php

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Surely there are standards for shelters such as a gap, and even 1,5, not to mention 4 mm of corrugated metal, is definitely better than an open gap and will hold enough soil to dig deep. In the comments to my article, such issues were discussed
https://topwar.ru/208190-rassredotochenie-slozhnyj-vopros-i-odin-iz-otvetov.html

I returned to the ranks of the participants of this forum a little less than three weeks ago, without two months I was absent for almost a year, I had not yet had time to study past materials.
However, the sea container in the proposed article is not a shelter, but rather a living module. Regarding insulation, it is easier to use not an iron (also called a dry) sea container, but an isothermal or refrigerated sea container. Regarding bulletproof or fragmentation protection, it is doubtful that it will protect. The container is subject to deformation. In addition to preparing the site for installation, it is also necessary to fix it.
For organizing life not on the very "front line", not in the zone of active hostilities, in places of contact with the enemy, of course, it will do.

Quote: A vile skeptic

For 1984, 1,3 m of soil was enough. With the threat of nuclear war, it was increased to 1,7 to reduce the effects of penetrating radiation. To protect against aerial bombs, the thickness of the soil layer (and without rolling, for the purpose of camouflage, since the recessed options were supposed to accommodate command personnel) was increased up to 7 meters. Here is one of the recommended solutions.
Modern projectiles have more power

About the shock wave, light radiation and protection against penetrating radiation during a nuclear explosion, I remember from the second half of the 80s of the Soviet school.
I specifically asked for the line of the front edge and shelter (type of dugout) in these orders practically in full view of the enemy. How to install, especially to a depth of 7 meters?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lynx2000

However, the sea container in the proposed article is not a shelter, but rather a living module.

Quickly installed, very mobile, cheap, almost ready-made, and most importantly, already available in tens of thousands of modules, which is not a pity to leave in place.

Quote: Lynx2000

and insulated or marine refrigerated container.

But this is both expensive and numerically much less accessible.

Quote: Lynx2000

Regarding bulletproof or fragmentation protection, it is doubtful that it will protect. The container is subject to deformation.

The article directly talks about a minimum of sacking with soil, but rather digging in, how did you not see this?

Quote: Lynx2000

The container is subject to deformation. In addition to preparing the site for installation, it is also necessary to fix it.

Well, anything less than a destroyed vocational school or a dugout littered with a close gap. What's the fix? Have you ever seen abandoned containers in the yards?

Quote: Lynx2000

For organizing life not on the very "front line", not in the zone of active hostilities, in places of contact with the enemy, of course, it will do.

Undoubtedly, in my article it is directly stated.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quickly installed, very mobile, cheap, almost ready-made, and most importantly, already available in tens of thousands of modules, which is not a pity to leave in place.

But this is both expensive and numerically much less accessible.
The article directly talks about a minimum of sacking with soil, but rather digging in, how did you not see this?

Well, anything less than a destroyed vocational school or a dugout littered with a close gap. What's the fix? Have you ever seen abandoned containers in the yards?

Quote: Lynx2000

For organizing life not on the very "front line", not in the zone of active hostilities, in places of contact with the enemy, of course, it will do.

Undoubtedly, in my article it is directly stated.

I then conducted a dialogue in the context of the construction of shelters and recreation of l / composition in the advanced orders.
As a mobile residential module, it does not raise any questions for me. As an alternative shelter
shelters on the front line - has a number of issues.

The weight of an empty "dry" sea 20-foot container is about 2,5 tons. I have repeatedly seen when, when maneuvering at a warehouse site, trucks shifted a container.
In a hurricane wind on the coast, I saw how the container was shifted along the concrete surface of the open storage area near the pier. What will happen with a close gap and the impact of a shock wave on a slightly dug-in container?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Lynx2000

I then conducted a dialogue in the context of the construction of shelters and recreation of l / composition in the advanced orders.

Only in advance, or in the near unobserved rear.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote: Lynx2000

I specifically asked for the line of the front edge and shelter (type of dugout) in these orders practically in full view of the enemy. How to install, especially to a depth of 7 meters?

Builders have many technologies for pouring concrete directly into the ground, including with reinforcement. By supplying concrete through a pipeline, it is possible to pour very massive slabs and walls and then remove the soil from the inside of the structure, washing it out with water or raking it out. But there is also a minus - you need to wait until the concrete gains strength.

[Foul skeptic]

What is the thickness of the soil from above, above the arch of the "bunker"? Do I still need to build ramps?

For 1984, 1,3 m of soil was enough. With the threat of nuclear war, it was increased to 1,7 to reduce the effects of penetrating radiation. To protect against aerial bombs, the thickness of the soil layer (and without rolling, for the purpose of camouflage, since the recessed options were supposed to accommodate command personnel) was increased up to 7 meters. Here is one of the recommended solutions.

Modern projectiles have more power

[marc75]

They developed what was developed, there are a lot of such things in service with the engineering troops, they are effective only for equipping long-term positions, no one will carry such a thing with them. Cranes, excavators and other equipment only for engineering units. And there are a lot of people who want to cut down the loot on the development of the developed one.

[HUNTERDON]

The cellar at the dacha turned out to be good. but on the practical side, in my opinion, complete hemorrhoids.

[km-21]

These gizmos could be useful for long-term defense in trench warfare, given enough time and funds for engineering work. But in conditions of mobile warfare, they are absolutely useless.

[Kolobochok]

If you have time in a long-term defense, you can pour concrete on the most I can’t. Yes, it will be better.

[mark1]

The material is apparently what pipes and prefabricated tunnels are laid under the road (thin corrugated metal), concrete slabs or a couple of three rolls of logs, except for the soil layer, I would recommend, but it should still be convenient (it depends on the level of mechanization)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: mark1

The material is apparently what pipes and prefabricated tunnels are laid under the road (thin corrugated metal)

From 1,5 to 4 mm. from the manufacturer's website. But corrugated metal itself is very rigid, and even a pipe, so it is possible without rolling.

[mark1]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But corrugated metal itself is very rigid, and even a pipe, so it is possible without rolling.

With an air (surface) explosion, it is possible, with a buried one, you need to look ... at least the rollovers will cause a premature operation

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: mark1

With an air (surface) explosion, it is possible, with a buried one, you need to look ... at least the rollovers will cause a premature operation

It is clear that sweat saves blood and three rolls are better than one, but I doubt that a layer of soil by itself will not cause this operation. But the meaning of the "corrugated pipe" is that the layer can be made really thick.

[agond]

From the point of view of construction (of any kind), it is advantageous to use prefabricated and prefabricated materials and structures (concrete slabs are made at the factory, and not cast in the field), while steel structures are stronger, lighter and generally more profitable than concrete ones. We know about panel houses and panel houses, about steel trusses, there are still concrete and cast-iron tubings from which tunnels are built and much more. A mobile bunker on wheels is reasonable, they were towed to the tank where necessary and dragged into a previously dug hole. By the way, skids can be used instead of wheels, it was on skids that lumberjacks used to put their log cabins and dragged them through the forests with skidders. And then if the positions do not change for six months, then the bunker does not need to be dragged to a new location.
In general, it would be more correct to assemble a bunker from steel tubing on site, and not to fence dugouts and logs with slabs, which also need to be somehow delivered to the construction site.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: agond

By the way, skids can be used instead of wheels, it was on the skids that lumberjacks used to put their log cabins and drag them skidders through the forests.

Or rollers, so it’s possible to roll on your hands!

[ingvar1951]

It's just a cut of money. The size is fully consistent with a 20-foot standard container, of which hundreds of thousands have been produced. If you need such a dugout, you put bunks.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ingvar1951

The size fully corresponds to a 20-foot standard container, of which hundreds of thousands have been produced. If such a dugout is needed, you put bunks.

Well, here people at least offer a completely ready and sane version of their own products, and not re-gluing tags to the Chinese. But I'm also for containers.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Constant thoughts about cutting budget funds sometimes resemble a mental illness.
To bury, what will be easier, a cylindrical hopper or a rectangular container? Do the counters in the eyes replace the ability to think?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

To bury, what will be easier, a cylindrical hopper or a rectangular container? Do the counters in the eyes replace the ability to think?

Regardless of the cut - what is easier to dig with a bulldozer, a rectangular trench or with fillets?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The answer is obvious, both from geometry and from the shedding of soil along the edges of the pit.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The answer is obvious, both from geometry and from the shedding of soil along the edges of the pit.

Um, a bulldozer digs semi-circular trenches?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Here you are very mistaken, very much and it is very, very noticeable. It's good that this rarely happens to you.
After all, a bulldozer does not have to dig a strictly round hole, right? But it is difficult to dig a rectangular hole, especially if the soil is prone to shedding. Under a rectangular shape, you will also have to make large sinuses on the sides, and then spend money on filling them. The pit may sometimes be required twice as wide as needed for a round shape.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Here you are very mistaken, very much and it is very, very noticeable. It's good that this rarely happens to you.
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I'm certainly not a real bulldozer, but I have an idea.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

After all, a bulldozer does not have to dig a strictly round hole, right?

I don't write anything about the pit, I write about the trench. And now the bulldozer tears off a trench rectangular in cross section, but we mean the cross section with you? And in this trench it is possible to lay two containers of the structure, with exits in two directions.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

But it is difficult to dig a rectangular hole, especially if the soil is prone to shedding.

Is it? In total, it is necessary to lay a slightly larger width of the trench, and for the bulldozer this increase is quite on the dump. I am sure that there are standards for this, depending on the type of soil.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Under a rectangular shape, you will also have to make large sinuses on the sides, and then spend money on filling them.

And it's too tough for a bulldozer, more than. But the trench dug by the bulldozer, in principle, cannot be already a dump, which means that a flat bottom along the width of the dump is provided.

And the round bottom will just require the cost of backfilling from below, and most likely manually, unlike the flat one with which it will be enough to throw off the soil from the sides of the trench with a bulldozer, because the flat bottom stands perfectly on the plane.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The pit may sometimes be required twice as wide as needed for a round shape.

The bulldozer, in principle, cannot dig a trench already dump. And given the threat of shedding, he will be forced to dig a trench wider than the dump. So the problem is completely contrived. So a rounded bottom is the prerogative of an excavator or diggers.

P.S. Look at the illustrations in the comments, the bottom of the trench is flat everywhere. And I hope you will not find fault with a rectangular section instead of a trapezoidal one, which, by the way, reduces the threat of shedding.

[decimalegio]

Contrary to popular belief, underground containers cannot be used as bunkers. The roof of the container would not support the weight of the earth. It is necessary to reinforce the roof and only after that it can be used.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Decimalegio

The roof of the container would not support the weight of the earth. It is necessary to reinforce the roof and only after that it can be used.

It depends on the layer of soil, but in general it is possible - the corrugation of the roof and walls allows. In extreme cases, something to block from above, and here you can already have a very thick layer, a couple of meters without looking.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

A bold assumption that the designer is rather weak and did not perform amplification. However, one should first check before asserting this.

[Olddetractor]

The new product, made of metal, has four beds, if necessary, accommodates eight people

Four sleeping places: Himself, signalman, cook, hostess. The rest: a janitor, a gardener, a stoker, an observer for low-flying targets ... And you can steer the convoy

[JD1979]

Now the company is waiting for the decision of the Ministry of Defense in order to expand full-fledged production in the future.

As I understand it, bath-barrels and septic tanks are not very sold? We decided to explore a new niche.

It is installed in trenches or pits, it is also easily removed and transferred to another place by towing, as it has wheels. Can be used as a mobile checkpoint or checkpoint.

What is easy to install? And the wheels are something on the design is not visible. And the tin can on the BP is of course great)) does it at least not break through with hail?

[kakvastam]

Controversial thing. Without equipment, it cannot be brought or installed.
Although in some steppes or deserts, where you will not find logs with boards, it may well be useful.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Of course, controversial, still! It is better to try to drive the mobilized into the 20-degree frost into unequipped trenches and accuse them of disobedience. Here, experienced fighters will join in your defense, and why didn’t they dig in under such conditions.
Or maybe, nevertheless, at the same time as the trenches, we will dig a hole for such a container, and bring it. So that the fighters had somewhere to even warm up, and they began to defend immediately, and not to try to survive.

[decimalegio]

“It can be installed in trenches or ditches, and it can also be easily dismantled and moved to another location by towing, as it is equipped with wheels.” I don't want to offend anyone, but this is more like an advertisement than an article. How can it be easily moved after you place the hopper in the pit?? Crane and excavator required. I don't see the wheels in the photo either. For a security post, I think Hesco Bastion is better.

[uav80]

What to develop here has long been invented, for example, "Aelita" ...

[Dost]

Under the Union, this goodness was completely done. Mostly concrete. On the Stalin line in Belarus, several dozens of similar samples are exhibited.

[Alexander X]

On sale in bulk blocks for cellars. They are both waterproof and, as the advertisement claims, they are buried by a brigade right in front of the summer resident. And the whole block is buried in the ground, which means it is hidden from the riflemen and fragments. Put bunk beds and a stove in it. Here is the finished solution. There are both plastic and concrete. And there is no need to develop anything special .... And the price for them, I think, is several times lower than for this barrel ...

[Gory]

I understand that this war is very long if such shelters are produced

[notingem]

For the rear parts, a good idea. For advanced complete nonsense

[Igor_Sergeevich]

Agree. For command posts of the army (corps) level. And you can hide from the Hymers. And the infantry to dig, such is their fate.

[Fangaro]

Sorry civilian, but...
Can this bunker be left right on the surface, and a direct hit of 152 mm will not do anything to it?
Or does it still need to be buried in the ground?
Will 155 mm ammunition damage such a bunker on the surface?
This is not a mockery. It is not clear to me how it is possible to make a barrel of Diogenes, which is located on the surface, which 155 mm of a modern projectile, or mines, cannot destroy.
And if you need to dig into the ground, then this is mobility, which is akin to grave.

[NuclearFungus]

Nanotechnology has arrived

[NuclearFungus]

Although it is easier to bury the container and fill it with concrete.

[voyaka uh]

A useful thing in conditions of massive use of drones.
The idea was taken from the Ukrainians.
There, such bunkers have long begun to be inserted into trenches.
From above they fall asleep with earth.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: voyaka uh

A useful thing in conditions of massive use of drones.
The idea was taken from the Ukrainians.

Well, of course, they dug up the sea and invented dinosaurs. Scroll through the comments above.

[Pankrat25]

is thrown to another place by towing, as it has wheels

Something I don’t see the wheels or is it buried together with the gazelle?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Pankrat25

I don't see wheels

You can also check in the first aid kit!

[okunevich_rv]

Send sea and rail containers to the NWO coverage area, and excavators, the deepening of this device will make life a little easier for the fighters, discuss the filling, be sure to have a gas stove, you can put a lot of containers at once, and ordering barrels with doors is a long question.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The door at the container will be covered, and you will not be able to open it, there such gates are wide, not convenient everywhere. The container still needs to be reworked and strongly, and even after reworking for complete burying, it will be worse than a rounded bunker.

[acetophenone]

The metal structure, buried in the ground, withstands the impact of 152 mm ammunition.

I read and did not understand - what do these words mean? Is it like "vegetable oil without cholesterol"? Or how?

[lelik613]

D.B. Even 50 years ago, there were "granite" and "shell", prefabricated shelters with the help of a crane and a bulldozer.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

A lot of things happened 30-50 years ago. There was even a leading edge conveyor, it was called LuAZ. And it was much more suitable for its purposes than today's ATVs.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Speaking of bunkers. In the north and in Siberia, oil workers and builders have long used round-shaped metal trailers on the outside, which people call "barrels". And what's new? Primitive! And then the tactical and technical data and development work !!!