The President of Russia commented on the death of the Russian military in Makeevka on January 1

The death of the Russian military in Makeevka on January 1, 2023 became a real tragedy, because of which the whole of Russia is going through. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with the Governor of the Samara region Dmitry Azarov.

The head of the Russian state commented on the report of the head of the region, who raised this topic. Recall that on the night of January 1, 2023, the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked the building of a vocational school in the city of Makeevka, in the Donetsk People's Republic.

The attack on the PTU building was delivered from an American-made HIMARS multiple launch rocket system. Four rockets hit the building, which killed, according to the official data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, 89 people. Many of the dead and wounded in the vocational school building were residents of the Samara region mobilized for military service.

As it turned out, one of the reasons for what happened was the decision of the command of the military unit to concentrate personnel in one place. As a result, the Ukrainian formations, having learned about the presence of the Russian military in large numbers in one place, decided to launch a missile attack on the building of the vocational school.

It should be noted that the Ukrainian formations receive intelligence information both from US satellites and from numerous informers from among residents who sympathize with the Kyiv regime. Periodically, intelligence agencies identify enemy informers and bring them to justice, but this does not always lead to the desired result, since the number of informants is not known for certain.

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[Herman 4223]

War itself is a tragedy. There are no wars without mistakes and miscalculations.

[Ohsetin]

Periodically intelligence agencies identify enemy informants and bring them to justice, but this does not always lead to the desired result, since the number of informants is not known for certain.

And if you identify not (not only) informers, but those who "the decision of the command of the military unit to concentrate personnel in one place," then there will be fewer such errors. And this should not be done "periodically", but on an ongoing basis. Otherwise, with negative selection, it will only increase.

[flyer]

The miscalculation was in 2014. At that moment, there would have been no vocational school in Makeevka, Ugledar, photographs in telegram channels, excuses about the fact that for 8 years the Western "partners" hung noodles on their ears. And now it's not a miscalculation, it's a crime.

[bk316]

The miscalculation was in 2014.

And what was the miscalculation in 2014?

[bayard]

Quote: bk316

And what was the miscalculation in 2014?

Cowardice, shortsightedness, weak will.

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

It's not about dates. Everything we have is the fruit of the ideology of Putin and his team.

[bk316]

this is the fruit of the ideology of Putin and his team.

And what is this ideology briefly, please.
Or is today a mystery day?

[Vladimir M]

Back in 14-15 years, it was necessary to resolve the issue with the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, and with the entire East and South of Ukraine. And do not rely on the Medvedchuks, the Surkovs ... For 8 years in the Donbass, almost all significant militia commanders were destroyed. And behind this, the ears are far from the APU sticking out.

[Herman 4223]

Do you think that in 2014, the supply of Ukraine with everything necessary would not have begun? During this time, our army was pulled up a little, the number was increased, and weapons were purchased. And in the 14th, it's still a question of how it would end.

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Herman 4223

During this time, our army was pulled up a little, the number was increased, and weapons were purchased.

Somehow the facts say that everything is exactly the opposite. 1.5 lyama sets of uniforms have disappeared somewhere, small arms are issued in a non-working condition, shells are running out, T-54s are coming from conservation, volunteers from all over the country are collecting soldiers to maintain their pants. And where is everything that was "pulled up"?

Quote: Herman 4223

And in the 14th, it's still a question of how it would end.

I am 99,9% sure that it is definitely not worse than now.

[bayard]

Quote: Herman 4223

Do you think that in 2014, the supply of Ukraine with everything necessary would not have begun?

Are you laughing??
There was no army in Ukraine then. And even more so, they simply would not have had time to provide any help - in Ukraine itself then there were enough people and forces to suppress the fascist rebellion and the consequences of the coup. In the towers, they were simply frightened of the popular upsurge and self-organization of the Russian people much more than the fascist coup ... In principle, they quite liked the Nazis, it is enough to recall the lightning-fast recognition of the putschist and sponsor of the coup, Poroshenko, "the elected president of Ukraine." And what heartfelt conversations they had with him ... how Russian banks heavily financed the Armed Forces of Ukraine after the start of the punitive operation in the Donbass, how they courted Poroshenko's business in Russia ... And when they arrived in Donbass, they asked with fake surprise: "Why did you start fighting?" .
Now we have to fight ourselves.
It's hard to fight.
By jeopardizing the very fate of Russia and the Russian people.
This is the price of "mistakes" in 2014.

Quote: Herman 4223

in the 14th it is still a question of how it would end.

Reunification of the United Russian State. Great glory and unity, great enthusiasm ... The mighty Fleet with Nikolaev power plants, the launch of the An-124M in Ulyanovsk, the continuation of the production of Antonov Design Bureau aircraft at Russian aircraft factories, the annual production of helicopters in the Russian Federation would be at the level of 250 - 300 pieces. (and there would be enough engines), Mi-26M, Be-200, Superjet-100 with Zaporozhye engines would have been in mass production for a long time, Sarmatians would have been mass-produced for several years and get up on the database, Sea Launch is all during these years, I would have launched the Zenit launch vehicle from the equator, which would have interrupted Elon Musk’s plans and would have delayed international orders for launches ... The synergy of the two parts of the United Russian State would give such an impetus to the economy and status that the Eurasian Union then hatched would long ago has already been an Actor in world economic and political life. And the military power of the united state would be such that neither the United States nor NATO would even dare to utter a wry word. And yes - the Russian Ruble would become the world's reserve currency ... Interest rates on loans would be no more than 5%, because the Sovereign Financial System will provide this ... There is much more that has been missed. If we evaluate the lost time in terms of money , then it has long ago exceeded one trillion US dollars .
Such is the price of stupidity, cowardice, indecision, short-sightedness and compromise with the enemy.
Rating - unsatisfactory.

[Herman 4223]

How would we deal a crushing defeat in 2014? The ground forces had two divisions being formed, and three dozen brigades a little more than a regiment in size. Aviation was on old planes and helicopters. The purchase of new equipment was then only unfolding. And rivers of weapons would flow to the other side. No one, under any circumstances, would let us win quickly. There would not be enough Ukrainians, they would have pulled up Moldovans, Georgians. The second would not have been enough to pull up the Poles and Romanians.
You mistakenly believe that we are at war with Ukraine. This is wrong . We are at war with the United States and its satellites, and these are completely different resources and technological capabilities. No Ukrainian army? So they will bring other natives.

[bayard]

Quote: Herman 4223

How would we deal a crushing defeat in 2014?

Do you really think that there in the spring of 2014 you would have to destroy someone ??
When did the entire Southeast rise to protest after the fascist coup?
Do you really think that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were then ready to fight against Russia? Purely psychological?
I assure you - NO! There would be no resistance.
Moreover, most of the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the SBU were then waiting for the entry of the Russian troops as a deliverance from chaos and rampant Maidan lawlessness.
Remember what a Ukrainian officer of the Ministry of Internal Affairs said on camera during the height of street fighting with the Nazis in Kyiv?
"Moscow is behind us!" .
This is how they then perceived their opposition to the fascist putschists ... They believed in Russia and were waiting for support and help. Because they knew with whom they fought on the streets - there they caught and detained quite a few employees of foreign PMCs and employees of foreign special services. The SBU monitored the channels of financing, supply and coordination of the coup d'état. And PUBLISHED these materials in networks and on TV!!!
This was discussed from the rostrum of the Verkhovna Rada!
And the Russian Federation held the Winter Olympics in Sochi !!!
And she persuaded Yanukovych "Do not use force", "Do not use weapons", "Do not use the Army" to suppress the rebellion!!!
The GDP itself admitted several times on camera that it was He who persuaded Yanukovych to withdraw the troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from Kyiv under the guarantees of Western diplomats ... He was also "deceived" then.
Yanukovych, immediately after the coup, turned to the GDP for help in suppressing the fascist rebellion - TWICE - from Kharkov and already from Rostov, immediately after the evacuation.
The Russian Federation was in the hands of a golden trump card - the legitimate president of Ukraine, who asked for help in suppressing the fascist rebellion.
But the GDP congratulated ... the ghoul Poroshenko on the "victory in the elections"!

In the spring-summer of 2014, with the arrival of the Russian Armed Forces, the Ukrainian security forces themselves would have caught and bandaged all these Maidan bastards and their handlers - all the lists, all the questionnaires for them were compiled (I held some of them in my hands), all orientations .. And they were betrayed.
And for 8 years they fed the Nazi monster of modern Ukrainian fascism ... And now ... like they are fighting with him.
In 2014, ordinary people and local security forces would have put things in order with their own hands. The Russian military was only needed to stabilize the situation and make sure the security forces that they were acting not only fairly and correctly, but also irreproachably and legally.
The Russian Federation had Yanukovych who asked them about it ... but they preferred to give the Russian People of the former Ukraine to be torn to pieces by the Nazis.
It wasn't unpreparedness.
And not even cowardice.
It was a betrayal.

[bayard]

Quote: Vladimir M

do not rely on the Medvedchuks, Surkovs ...

Medvedchuk was called by his godfather "Ukrainian nationalist" himself, and Surkov is Khodorkovsky's man. These are the reasons for inaction in 2014.

[bk316]

Back in 14-15 years, it was necessary to resolve the issue with the Donetsk and Lugansk regions,

I asked about ideology, the point of view about 14 years old is known to me.
Only the Cossack (Ivan Ivanov) did not answer.
Regarding 14 years, the issue is moot.
404 wasn't ready, were we?
1. The banking system is definitely not. We stupidly would not be able to pay a salary for a couple of three months. Are you sure it would end well.
2. We agreed with China obviously later. And this means that parallel import would most likely not work.
3. We were not even in a very good condition for food at 14.
4. There was no orchestra.

You can continue ...

For any history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.

[Consultant]

And you didn’t have anything ... But 14 years was not enough for Putin to have everything by 2014? And now, after 23 years and 3 months of Putinism, everything is already there ??

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

I didn't answer you. But once asked. Who knows what's in their heads. Either pro-Western, or cunningly invented patriotic. But for now, the country is at an impasse. Power shied away from Europe to Asia. And sits waiting for something.

[Trapp1st]

And what is this ideology briefly, please.

In short, the developing capitalist country of the country.

[Letun]

Quote: bk316

And what is this ideology briefly, please.
Or is today a mystery day?

If you answer without riddles, they can solder the seven. But a smart one will understand anyway, but not a smart one, even answer him directly, even crookedly, but he won’t stop yelling.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36

Everything we have is the fruit of the ideology of Putin and his team.

That is, mattresses with Europeans, in this whole story with Ukraine and the current war, are just young tourists, pussies and snow whites? Is that what you want to say Ivanushka?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Ivan Ivanov_36

Everything we have is the fruit of the ideology of Putin and his team.

That is, mattresses with Europeans, in this whole story with Ukraine and the current war, are just young tourists, pussies and snow whites? Is that what you want to say Ivanushka?

Why did you Ivanushka keep silent then?
However, judging by the minuses, the number of mattresses and Zaukropovites supporting Vanyatka as of 21.00 is 7 to 1.

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

I just don’t quite catch your thought and I’m not used to such a familiar tone of communication.

[Alf]

Quote from Flyer

The miscalculation was in 2014.

Recently it has been recognized throughout the country. True, the one who admitted this did not say who made this mistake and who abruptly turned on the clock, cheese and BANKS after the visit of the President of the country ...

[Alf]

Quote: Herman 4223

There are no wars without mistakes and miscalculations.

Are the perpetrators of crowded accommodation named? Punished? Or "it just happened"?

[Herman 4223]

In time, we'll find out. I suspect that there is already more to ask.

[Alf]

Quote: Herman 4223

Over time, we will find out.

1000 years later ...

Quote: Herman 4223

I suspect that there is already more to ask.

At least find out the full name, so that the relatives of the dead have someone to spit on the grave.

[Trapp1st]

one of the reasons for what happened was the decision of the command of the military unit to concentrate personnel in one place

Do they have surnames? What punishment has been applied?

[tralflot1832]

And you know the names of the dead and their ranks. Do not mock the memory of the dead. The decision on where to stay is made by the commander of the unit, and not by a higher-ranking boss.

[Trapp1st]

Do not mock the memory of the dead.

I? Am I mocking? Those who told about mobile phones sneered that they themselves were to blame.

[Alf]

Quote: tralflot1832

The decision on where to stay is made by the commander of the unit,

Is he punished?

[Smoker]

"..from numerous informants from among the residents.." - Makeevka, as it were, the DPR since the age of 14 .. and this is far from Ukraine ...

[Herman 4223]

So what ? There will always be at least 10 percent of those who disagree in any society. If at least a tenth of them go to cooperate with the enemy, then this colossal number of people will be even on the scale of the LDNR.

[bk316]

There will always be at least 10 percent of those who disagree in any society.

For the operation of enemy intelligence, 1% is enough.

[Smoker]

Quote: Herman 4223

So what ? There will always be at least 10 percent of those who disagree in any society. If at least a tenth of them go to cooperate with the enemy, then this colossal number of people will be even on the scale of the LDNR.

That's what I wanted to say! Now imagine how much counter will be when we enter Dnepropetrovsk / Nikolaev / Odessa / Kharkov / and so on

[Herman 4223]

If we enter these cities, the mobilization material on the other side will be drastically reduced. And the bulk of those who sympathize with them will run after them, so there will be no more of them than in Makeevka.

[bk316]

Now imagine how much counter will be,

Yevgeny Petrovich I represent everything.
But most of all I imagine that war cannot be waged. When such wrestlers 10 times a day demand to change both the General Staff and the commanders and the parliament and the Supreme AND STORY, and these wrestlers are not yet in Kolyma.
Simply because if you fight for real, then the authorities will have to take a MASS of really, to put it mildly, unpopular measures that will really affect everyone. So that the state does not fall apart, before that it is NECESSARY to physically destroy or at least isolate all the wrestlers, as Comrade Stalin did and as Nicholas II did not.
Is Putin ready for this, as I see it, he is not ready yet.

[Consultant]

Are you writing this, of course, from the trenches of the front line, as the foremost supporter of unpopular measures?

[dmi.pris1]

What can I say. Questions to the command. You can’t consider the enemy stupid and incapable

[Ohsetin]

Commentary by V.V. Putin: "They died."

[coinsam]

In general, it is good that the President has a good memory. There is a lot in the flow of information, and most importantly, it is quickly forgotten, all the time you have to do something more urgent, "burning". And after all, not only at the front, but in general throughout the state! But, the topic, nevertheless, quite remembers this very sad incident. By the way, he noted that it often seems that any events that appear in the headlines of the news will be unknown to the president. especially if there is no immediate reaction right now. But in the end it turns out that no, the president will find out about everything, but it's just that, as a rule, there is no immediate reaction.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from monetam

In general, it is good that the President has a good memory. There is a lot in the flow of information, and most importantly, it is quickly forgotten, all the time you have to do something more urgent, "burning". And after all, not only at the front, but in general throughout the state! But, the topic, nevertheless, quite remembers this very sad incident.

Do you really think he remembers everything? Well, well ... I doubt it.

[IgorZ]

Quote from monetam

In general, it is good that the President has a good memory. There is a lot in the flow of information, and most importantly, it is quickly forgotten, all the time you have to do something more urgent, "burning". And after all, not only at the front, but in general throughout the state! But, the topic, nevertheless, quite remembers this very sad incident. By the way, he noted that it often seems that any events that appear in the headlines of the news will be unknown to the president. especially if there is no immediate reaction right now. But in the end it turns out that no, the president will find out about everything, but it's just that, as a rule, there is no immediate reaction.

The memory of Vladimir Vladimirovich has nothing to do with it, the topic was raised by the governor of the Samara region. But it’s good that this happened in the public space and the fault of the command was recognized, it’s good that the accusations shameful for the command were dropped from the mobilized, they say they were to blame, the rockets flew to the calls when they just managed to call, the strike was at 00 o’clock.

[solar]

But, the topic, nevertheless, quite remembers this very sad incident.

In fact, he was actually asked about it.

The head of the Russian state commented on the report of the head of the region, who raised this topic.

And personally, he got off with a couple of general words, from which it is impossible to understand whether he remembers or not. Common phrase.

The death of the Russian military in Makeevka on January 1, 2023 became a real tragedy, because of which the whole of Russia is going through. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin

[I dare to_notice_]

Yes ...
It's not his to comment. Not his at all...
The extreme comment about why foreign equipment is not brought down BEFORE it enters the VNA is generally "chic".
In the style of late Brezhnev ... about flying to the Sun.
He's better at keeping quiet.
When the Darkest One is eloquently silent, our Western "partners" begin to follow themselves.

[Sovpadenie]

Is it yours?..

It's not his to comment. Not his at all..

"they don’t bring down BEFORE how she gets into the VNA ,,," That is, while she is on the territory of Poland, Romania, or even Germany?

[I dare to_notice_]

Yeah ... "Decision Centers".
No one pulled his tongue?

[Sovpadenie]

The most important center in the USA. So here's to him and shy away? And then, "... everyone will die, and we will go to heaven?"

[man]

The most important center in the USA. So here's to him and shy away?
It is much better not to "shy away", but to believe that they can shy away! Oh, we would like a president or at least a minister of defense with the appearance and voice of Lebed Sr.! As it barks, you will immediately believe that this one will definitely shy away!

[dmi.pris1]

You know what I’ll notice. If he keeps silent, then panic will soon begin with us. True, sometimes it turns out to “let Berlaga out” - DAM .. But he doesn’t always succeed. Clever statements alternate with stupidity

[Egoza]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

sometimes it turns out to "release Berlaga" -DAMA .. But he does not always succeed.

DAM goes through a period of "transformation"

Four "feats" of DAM
act one. A few days ago, Dmitry Anatolyevich blew up the Runet by reading Comrade Stalin's "motivational" telegram to negligent employees of the Soviet military-industrial complex, accompanying it with the following comment:
"Colleagues, I want you to hear me and remember the words of the Generalissimo. As you understand, the results of such appeals were impressive, and if they were not, you yourself understand what happened."
It is significant that this Medvedev team building was again supported by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Peskov:
"You need to turn to any experience. It was a very difficult time then, there was the Great Patriotic War. Therefore, of course, this is an invaluable experience."
The question arises, as soon as Iosif Vissarionovich in the conditions of the Northern Military District again turned out to be in demand and not such a “bloody ghoul” as he was portrayed for decades in Russian cinema and television, maybe Dmitry Anatolyevich will wish to reconsider his own decision from 2010, when for some reason he took the blame for the Katyn massacre on Russia as the assignee of the USSR?
Recall that 13 years ago, President Medvedev in an interview with a Polish journalist said the following:
There is a whole set of historical problems, tragedies. One of them is the Katyn tragedy... And I think that our task in Russia is to tell the truth about it. I had to give certain assessments... Stalin and his henchmen are responsible for this crime. And I have the relevant documents, which were obtained from the so-called special folder.
Stalin's guilt in the execution of Polish officers at Katyn is beyond doubt.
Apparently, it was assumed that Moscow's desire to repent would be duly appreciated in Warsaw and Washington. True, the overall effect turned out for some reason the opposite. The problem is that not all professional historians and researchers, in contrast to the St. Petersburg lawyer Medvedev, are convinced that Comrade Stalin is to blame for the mass execution of Polish officers.
Was not another historical mistake made in 2010, and does Dmitry Anatolyevich, citing Generalissimo Stalin in 2023, at least admit that he himself committed it, and call for a review of the case?
Act two. In the same 2010, President Medvedev famously cut the Gordian knot of the territorial dispute between Russia and Norway, giving the latter a huge part of the continental shelf in the southeast of the Barents Sea. In 2013, the Norwegians discovered no less huge oil and gas reserves there and now they commemorate our Dmitry Anatolyevich with a kind word.
Does the deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation have a desire to admit his mistake and call for the denunciation of this bilateral agreement with a NATO member country hostile to Russia? As he said about Internet piracy: “Maximum damage so that they go bankrupt!”
Act three. After the Yak-42 plane crash near Yaroslavl in 2011, Dmitry Anatolyevich, we recall, was the first to start making “difficult decisions”:
“The government, apparently, will have to make a very difficult decision. The value of human life should be higher than special considerations, including support for a domestic manufacturer! Of course, you need to think about your own, but if they are not able to “unwind”, you need to buy equipment abroad. I will give instructions to the government. This should be a big program, big money will be needed."
After his instructions, a hasty decommissioning of domestically produced liners and a massive transition to the products of Western corporations began. How his “difficult decision” backfired on the country in 2022, everyone already knows very well.
I would like to ask myself: Mr. Medvedev, who is quoting Comrade Stalin, really realized that the liberal path leads the Russian economy nowhere, or is this a continuation of the game for the public? To hear from him a direct answer, you can in the "cart".
Finally, the maybe it's time to rename the police back to the police?

PS Everyone makes mistakes, but not everyone is able to admit them, let alone try to correct them. If Dmitry Anatolyevich wants to be truly believed, he must show and prove his transformation from a pro-Western syslib into uncompromising hawks and prove it with deeds.

[Alf]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Smart sayings alternate with stupidity

Stupidity prevails...

[svarog77]

Eh, the local iksperds wipe the wrong sofas, judging by the comments ... they should be in the offices ...

[alexander 66]

Zhdunov there is a sea and the Internet works, walk spies pass the information. And now vsuki got smart bombs with a range of 150 km will be very sad.

[boris ivanov]

I have only one question .. what about the perpetrators of this tragedy?

[I dare to_notice_]

Quote: Sovpadenie

The most important center in the USA. So here's to him and shy away? And then, "... everyone will die, and we will go to heaven?"

Are you afraid to die?
Again, mind you, I didn't say that.

[Sovpadenie]

Yes, I would like to live. But if there is no choice, then you will not get anywhere. And yes, I count myself among the "we"

[I dare to_notice_]

Death is the most natural thing that can happen to a person.
The question is how to take it?

[Amateur]

so from numerous informants from among the inhabitants sympathizers Kyiv regime.

And where and why did these "numerous informants, sympathizers ..." come from? Who, where and what has not been done, because of what these "sympathizers" appeared in Russia? And what and who should do so that these "sympathizers" would not be.

[alexander 66]

Solovyov on the channel has an interview with young Nazi prisoners, but stubborn in his convictions, so he does not hesitate to say that the Donetsk people should go to the gas chamber. He says without fear of anyone or anything, and that he should live in peace?

[Ivan Ivanov]

The battlefield must be isolated, including from potential "informants from among the residents who sympathize with the Kyiv regime." And what about the commanders, after a year of war, without proper experience, that the president, who considers the phrase "we were deceived" a suitable explanation for the failure.

[Sergei N 58912062]

As it turned out, one of the reasons for what happened was the decision of the command of the military unit to concentrate the staff in one place.

This was not one of the reasons, but the main reason for that tragedy.

I wonder if at least one of those who concentratedly placed people in a place unprotected from impact was punished?

[Nikolaevich I]

How tight, with a creak, the truth "pecks"! Recently there was a message about the death of the crews of 3 BDKs in the port of Berdyansk after being hit by Tochka-U! A whole year they kept silent about the tragedy!
And I didn’t believe the versions about mobile phones and the wine of the mobilized! He believed that they were slandered by "official bodies"! There were 2 "major" reasons for this: I. "mobile phones". Usually, the peak intensity of calls reaches an hour before the New Year! For an hour, the APU-shniks had to: 1. Detect this intensity, analyze, make a decision ...; 2. Fit the "nearest" "chimers" to an advantageous position ... (and they are carefully hidden and not kept near the "front line"!), 3. Calculate and enter data ... strike. And all this within an hour?
II. I read the statement of the DPR military about the inferiority of the deployment of Russian units in the Donbass ... and before the tragedy! The meaning of the statement is that the Russians (command) neglect the safety of their units ... As a "counterweight" he gives examples of how the units of the DPR and LPR corps do it ... No more than 50-60 fighters are located in the quarter, the street ... but also these fighters are stationed in several (!) Houses ... APU-shniks often know (thanks to the "well-wishers") about the deployment of NM units, but rarely deliver massive strikes, based on the effectiveness of "shooting sparrows from a cannon"! In addition, there are many abandoned industrial zones in the Donbass with "thick-walled" buildings and basements! There are waste heaps where concrete bunkers can be built at the bottom! And we have the equipment for it! But ... Russian indifference, irresponsibility! Russian "maybe"! Here is what happened! But why place all the blame on the dead mobilized?

[Alf]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

But why place all the blame on the dead mobilized?

And then you will have to name the true culprits of the tragedy, and those who brought the officer corps of the Russian army to such a state ... What does it say about the main thing in the course of the investigation?

[svarog77]

You suck at reading the news if you write such nonsense about the death of crew members ...

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

Maybe there were plans. Remember how it all began in the Donbass and everything went towards this. Then the order to merge everything. Maybe Putin wanted to, but the apparatus leaked everything. They made sure it wasn't time. That you can't behave like that. The West can still come to its senses. As it turned out, Putin was led by the nose. Or he himself was led to all this.

[Sanguinius]

Why are you explaining this to him? And most importantly why?
He already understands everything perfectly, he just doesn’t want to accept it, because how can it be so !? Well, after all, Vladimir Vladimirovich cannot be wrong, after all !!!

[kakvastam]

In management, everything depends on the quality of the feedback.
If for the death of hundreds of fighters the chief is threatened only with a vacation, and even then in the worst case, he deteriorates.

[Human_manoid]

He is the speaker of the State Duma or the Supreme Commander. Let him report who specifically was punished from the command for the crime and unskilled actions of his subordinates that led to the death of a group of people called up for military service by mobilization. where are those who made decisions on the placement of new arrivals.
Or is it collective farmers who came to harvest!!!

[man]

He is the speaker of the State Duma or the Supreme Commander. Let him report who specifically was punished from the command for the crime and unskilled actions of his subordinates that led to the death of a group of people called up for military service by mobilization. where are those who made decisions on the placement of new arrivals.
Report? Are you sure you live in Russia?

[solar]

And three months have not passed, as the reaction appeared. And what about the accusations that the dead were to blame, that they had mobile phones with them?

[Alf]

Quote from solar

And what about the accusations that the dead were to blame, that they had mobile phones with them?

Silently hushed up...

[orionvitt]

Periodically, intelligence agencies identify enemy informants and bring them to justice.

To what responsibility? About what someone would be judged, no, I have not heard.

[fa2998]

This is the speed of the reaction - it hasn't even been 3 months! Yes, and as he commented, yes, a tragedy! Something I don’t see torn shoulder straps, and criminal cases for command

[Vladimir M]

Quote: Herman 4223

Do you think that in 2014, the supply of Ukraine with everything necessary would not have begun? During this time, our army was pulled up a little, the number was increased, and weapons were purchased. And in the 14th, it's still a question of how it would end.

In 14-15 years, the population of the East and South of Ukraine would not have fought against us. We saw how the "Westerners" fought in 14-15 years. In 15, a delegation from Kharkov came to Moscow with a proposal to become part of the Russian Federation, but it was sent to a well-known address. As for the fact that in 8 years we have pulled up the Army and purchased weapons - a very big question. Someone talked about more than 70% of new weapons, but you can’t see them through the window. In 14-15 years, the East and South of Ukraine would have been taken away in a couple of months and the population of Ukraine would have been on our side, but now it is already at war with us. How much effort and means now need to be applied to take the same Russian city of Kharkov?

[bravo77]

More pain in the absence of the guilty
and generally boundless negligence, if not more

[Skobaristan]

I read the comments, I think what percentage is in the service here, TsSPO and others like him, who are simply not very smart. Public trials are necessary, oga oga. For the second, in the archives declassified during the Second World War, there is a lot of this. Someone betrayed, someone faint-hearted, and a neck was imposed on all this. How amazing is it?

[Consultant]

What does the Great Patriotic War, which was 78-82 years ago, have to do with it?