British instructors spoke about the reluctance of trained tankers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to return to Ukraine

The training of Ukrainian tankers who were trained in the UK to operate the Challenger 2 MBT leaves much to be desired. According to The Guardian, only 20% of Ukrainians managed to cope with the final "exams".

UK completes training of Ukrainian crews tanks Challenger 2, the tanks themselves were also sent to Ukraine, where the joyful Minister of Defense Reznikov has already announced the full readiness of the tankers to perform combat missions on the front line. Prior to this, the head of the British military department, Ben Wallace, stressed that the Ukrainian military had been fully trained and were ready to effectively manage British tanks on the battlefield. As it turned out, this is not so.

According to The Guardian, the curators and instructors of the training mission, who were directly involved in the training of the Ukrainians, said that the tankers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who arrived in the UK for training treated training "with the utmost disdain", they learned the material poorly and did not want to return to Ukraine at all. There were even cases of desertion, because of which it was necessary to strengthen the security of the base. And this despite the fact that not recruits were sent for training, but contract soldiers and officers with combat experience.

Many have declared their unwillingness to return to Ukraine. Several people attempted to desert. Naturally, after a while they were found and returned, but in this regard, it was necessary to strengthen the security of the territory of the base

- said instructor John Butler, who added that when passing the "final" exam, only 20% of Ukrainians were able to more or less pass the qualification.

The question arises, was there such a situation with the training of Ukrainian tankers in Germany? The fact that their training was not so hot was stated by the Germans themselves, since you cannot train a normal tanker in a month, but they kept silent about everything else.

Comments

[Letun]

Another would be to add a link to this article in the Guardian, then there would be no price for the material at all

[Machito]

Judging by the article, Ukrainian tankers are not eager to go to a meeting with Bandera.

[blackGRAIL]

Last time there was a similar lie about the training of Ukrainian tankers in Germany and their unwillingness to return back to Ukraine. Then even the article was photoshopped, but if you look at it carefully, it was clear that it consists of two parts: the original first and the second, photoshopped, which differs in font.

The lies are repeated again. The original Guardians article, in which there is not a word about not wanting to go back. But they praise preparation and motivation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/27/ukrainian-troops-return-home-after-challenger-2-tank-training-in-uk

[rocket757]

British instructors spoke about the reluctance of trained tankers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to return to Ukraine

This is not news, in general ... this has happened before, and will happen later.

[Letun]

Quote: rocket757

This is not news at all...

Well, of course this is not news. It's called fake. Well, in Russian - deception.

Quote: rocket757

it has happened before, and it will happen again.

And you can’t argue with that either.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Interestingly, if the tankers of the British instructors were fucked up - would they sit down?
And then perhaps the CE method.

[Uncle lee]

Many have declared their unwillingness to return to Ukraine.

There they feed, drink, and in Ukraine there is a war, and they will also kill:
On the tank,
Farewell, dear crew.
Four corpses near the tank
Complement the morning landscape.

[Mol_18]

this is a lie, not an article. we seem to be considered underdeveloped, as well as the fact that we steal everything.

[svp67]

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instructor John Butler added that when passing the "final" exam, only 20% of Ukrainians were able to more or less pass the qualification.

These are all words that could well be confirmed by showing test scores that are not secret documents, especially in a country where "democracy" is "honored"

The question arises, was there such a situation with the training of Ukrainian tankers in Germany? The fact that their training was not so hot was stated by the Germans themselves, since you cannot train a normal tanker in a month, but they kept silent about everything else.

But first, RETRAIN, since no "novices" were sent there, there were all tankers with combat experience and experience in operating military vehicles.

And it seems to me that in April all the dots over the "Yo" in our country and over the "I" will be dotted

[Foul skeptic]

According to The Guardian

Here is how The Guardian writes

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/27/ukrainian-troops-return-home-after-challenger-2-tank-training-in-uk

[igork735]

If this article was meant, then it is clear why the note on VO is without authorship.
A British newspaper publishes an article stating that their fosterlings do not want to fight on begged tanks and cannot master the technique? Well, well.

[Andy_nsk]

Ukrainian crews have returned home after completing training in the UK on British tanks, which are expected to be used in a counter-offensive against Russia.

The training was completed after the British military spent several weeks briefing Ukrainian personnel on how to operate and fight Challenger 2 tanks, the Department of Defense (MoD) said on Monday.

The troops left for the UK shortly after Rishi Sunak announced in January that the UK would send 14 Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine. The Ministry of Defense was unable to confirm the exact location of the tanks.

Ukrainian servicemen return home after the Challenger 2 tank exercise in the UK

Ukrainian crews and tanks are expected to be in position in time for the spring counter-offensive that is believed to be underway.

British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said that Ukrainian soldiers "return home better equipped, but are in no less danger."

Wallace, who visited Ukrainian troops during their training at Camp Bovington in Dorset last month, said: “It is truly inspiring to see the determination of Ukrainian soldiers who have completed their training on British Challenger 2 tanks on British soil. We will continue to support them and do everything in our power to support Ukraine for as long as it takes.”

I don't see anything in common between the Guardian article and the publication in question. Wipe the noodles out of your ears.

[Gestas]

Moreover, the respectable "Guardian" - our dear taxpayers, your money, on which we fed, watered and taught ukrovoyak, went down the drain, for sim, amen :). There, in any real situation, there will be one thing - not in vain, our kind British and British women (and other great genders), our economy was pushing (together with you), look - what brave "elves" we "forged"! Their eyes are burning, their hands are trembling with impatience to join the battle! Every hour they improved their skills for real combat work, mastered everything that was possible and, even, beyond it, devoting all their free time from service to studying playing the bagpipes ...

[Mol_18]

If this article is meant, then whoever is not telling the truth, more specifically, does not specifically say how he breathes. All information must be verified.

[Kosta153]

I read the article on your link. When will they stop lying to us? In the Guardian, everything is the opposite. When will they stop lying to us and who is the author of this opus?

[tralflot1832]

What, was the order given to the guards to shoot to kill when crossing the guarded perimeter of the base with sushniks? The rest of the article is bullshit, misinformation for us. There may be a surprise in the tank, the English crew. Not in everyone, but at least in the commander's.

[rotmistr60]

Many have declared their unwillingness to return to Ukraine. Several people attempted to desert.

Were the British surprised by this? It is strange that British intelligence did not warn about possible attempts by Ukrainians to stay in England (ironic).

[I dare to_notice_]

Joyful article: training leaves much to be desired ... training was treated "with the utmost disdain ... desertion ...
And anyway: how many of those tanks are there ?! Pathetic one and a half hundred ...
I would be more pleased with the news that all these tanks (together with the crews) sank to the cherubs in the English Channel on the way to Poland.

[Beetle1991]

It just didn't fit together so well.
Just the other day, a train with t-54/55 was lit up from the Russian side, and Leo-2 and Challenger-2 had already arrived on the other side.
Here is an article to calm the agitated public.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: I dare_notice_

and in general: how many of those tanks are there ?! Pathetic one and a half hundred

In fact, the Challengers mentioned are ten times smaller - 14 pieces in total. There were days when our thirty ukrotanks were burned. So for a couple of days...

[Simple]

The question arises, was there such a situation with the training of Ukrainian tankers in Germany? The fact that their training was not so hot was stated by the Germans themselves, since you cannot train a normal tanker in a month, but they kept silent about everything else.

I don’t know how in England, but in Germany for leaking any data on training
counterintelligence is watching.

[Mol_18]

in the article itself, it is from this newspaper, not a word is said. what is written above.

[Roma 1977]

It's clear. If a beautiful British tank appears on the LBS, increased attention to it from the male audience of the enemy is guaranteed. And they will smack at him from everything that is at hand, without saving. And he, although iron, is never an imba. And especially if these tanks are driven into a long-announced stumbling block, with all its charms in the form of minefields, ambushes from ATGMs and enemy tanks, but the worst thing is helicopters with supersonic ATGMs that penetrate a meter of homogeneous armor, with a range of 10 kilometers, and then and more. And all this in the open spaces of the Kherson region.

[ser580]

somehow the "novyna" slipped that they impudently asked not to use the challenges at the front - a lot of "secret" on them

[veteran tanker]

One should not be surprised that the Ukrainian tankers "turn on the fool" and do not want to return to Ukraine. They are not prepared for the parade, but for the war, where they are sometimes killed.
Even if they are delivered along with tanks to Ukraine, that is, the second way not to fall under fire is “accidentally something broke,” but we have nothing to do with it.

[orionvitt]

Quote: veteran tanker

"accidentally something broke"

It's not even a matter of "accident". All Western equipment is extremely difficult to operate and repair, and if you are a tanker with experience three times, retraining in a month is really not realistic. As the pilots say, takeoff and landing.

[bambr731]

Their reluctance is understandable. They have no chance to live in Challenger 2, because in any case, this will be the number 1 goal in battle and he will definitely not be allowed to ride around the battlefield for a long time

[solar]

Something article in the Guardian is fundamentally different from the version above in the article on VO

British Defense Minister Ben Wallace said that Ukrainian soldiers "will return to their homeland better equipped, but with no less danger."
Wallace, who visited Ukrainian forces during their exercises at Camp Bovington in Dorset last month, said: “It is truly inspiring to see the determination of Ukrainian soldiers who have completed their training on British Challenger 2 tanks on British soil. We will continue to support them and do our best to support Ukraine for as long as it takes.” Lieutenant Lieutenant John Stone, who led the training mission, said: “It was an honor for the Combat Maneuver Center team to conduct this training for our Ukrainian partners. We were all very impressed with the level of competence shown, and we have no doubt that our friends will make the most of the Challenger 2 tanks in the upcoming battles, defending their homeland.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/27/ukrainian-troops-return-home-after-challenger-2-tank-training-in-uk
Translation difficulties?

[blackGRAIL]

Rather, the features of the national translation.

[solar]

Something today is too much of such a "translation". There was an article today about an interview with Arestovich, where the author, with a grand gesture on behalf of Arestovich, "threw" 12 million Ukrainians into Russia, although they immediately showed a video where this was not.

[Mol_18]

question to the editor, he does not check what is published and written at all.

[Got it]

Ukrov may have a little mind, but at least add tricks! We found fools to burn in boxes, yeah, your exams are excellent ...

[ser580]

well, in 14 tanks, they don’t want to burn, but did they want their 300-400 burnt tanks? Judging by the news feeds of Ukraine, there is "everything for the front, everything for victory" and they really believe that a little more and a straw will break the back of a camel and "be panuvat" and live on reparations and the Russian Federation

[bravo77]

IMHO desa, there is no type of force
hail the enemy

[JokerSL]

Yes, something I did not find links - prooflink. I went to The Guardian, did not find such information. Question to the author of the text: are we not seeing something, or is the author driving a blizzard?

[dfk-80]

Well, judging by the "happy" faces of the graduates (link), there will be no prom. And no one was left as an instructor.
But there are more and more tanks. And how much is actually not known.

[Baobabus]

This "article" was published in the VK group https://vk.com/clubzvwarznews. Moreover, it contained a photograph from a real Guardian article, and the text was this one.
Apparently, this is the work of agitprop, designed for distribution in other media. The topwar website supported this initiative.

[Alexey Alekseev_5]

Not fools. We got acquainted with the challenger and understood. There are no chances against Russian tanks ... After all, everyone served on Soviet tanks

[Volunteer Marek]

Again, soothing words. Look through the previous articles about how the Bandera allegedly do not know how to use Western weapons. Which, by the way, will not seem to be delivered. An, no! And it is delivered and used, quite effectively.

[operKOT]

Dear author of this vyser, it seems that the article was written for people who cannot or cannot read. Do you think adequate people will not be able to find and read the original article? Hmm, your propaganda here is rather weak, very weak))))

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I don't like hats. But I would very much like it to be so, as stated in the article. But in any case, good luck to our fighters, no bravado and let them take care of themselves. Save yourself, stand up and win. This is the main thing.

[B44]

I immediately understood why no one signed this "message". Because it has nothing to do with the original Guardian article and is a bunch of crap taken from a private blog. Too bad you're even allowed to post something like this on the site.

[Vadim Ivanov_3]

Apparently the tankers are coming out, I understand that there will be a brazier in the Donbass from the Challenger

[Alt 22]

Everything is great, but there is a small nuance - no such article was found in the Guardian itself!

[NickShel]

This fake was debunked a few days ago. Author, do not disgrace yourself and do not consider your readers to be fools.
About Ukrainians, Prigozhin has long said: “no one runs away, they fight for every meter,” and this question can be closed.
And then some write fairy tales about cowardly villagers who pour sugar into gas tanks, surrender at any opportunity, etc., while others then wonder why it takes more than a year to take either Ugledar, or Artemovsk, or Maryinka, or Avdeevka .

[powerlifter]

Yes, they have normal training ... for the RF Armed Forces. The worse they are prepared, the easier and faster it will be for us to dispose of them.

[kill the fascist]

In general, it is clear that few people want to return from a quiet, cool arrogance to the "heat" of Artemovsk / Bakhmut :) But the bloody zelibobik clown said - a counterattack, that means until the last banderlog.

[Stepan S]

Again, VO publishes fakes that have long been refuted? What is it for? Not only housewives are sitting here, and they don’t read anything anywhere else and take everything on faith. After such publications, the color of VO becomes more and more yellow.

[Kapany3]

Apparently, the editors scored on their duties. Is that how you feel about your readers? Well, then you just need to look for other resources. It's a shame, you know ... Some de.bil wrote, the same editor did not check, and we are sitting here and discussing the "news".

[75 Sergey]

Well, trainees always have a choice - either burn out in a tank, or remove a pillowcase from a pillow, turn the tower towards the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and raise a white banner, ride a small animal to us and surrender, receive a bonus as a bonus and tell what they were taught there.

[Cutter]

Prepare a tanker in 2 months? 72 tons to drive in spring shit? Are they sick? Well, if you lived in small Britain, which one will go home to Hryundia ?????? Class!!!! It's like a reservation, increased security.... SLAVES READY FOR A GLASS BEAD TO SELL THEIR LAND.