American edition: Kyiv does not have the means to deal with Russian fighters dominating the war zone

Russia has an advantage in the air, Ukraine has nothing to oppose to Russian fighters, except for air defense. ABC News writes about this with reference to a statement by one of the high-ranking Ukrainian officials.

According to the American publication, Ukraine does not have the means to combat Russian aircraft. According to an unnamed official from Kiev, the Russian army has real air superiority, in addition, the command of the Russian Aerospace Forces has replaced some of the fighters used from the very beginning of the SVO with more modern Su-35s, which are even more effective and capable of not only shooting down Ukrainian combat aircraft, but and attack ground targets.

Su-35s are equipped with very effective radars and long-range missiles (...) Russian air superiority is a real risk

- he said.

Two more Ukrainian officials confirmed that Kyiv's main problem is the complete dominance of Russian aircraft over the combat zone, which does not allow air support for ground units. This could be corrected by the supply of Western fighters capable of fighting Russian Su-35s on an equal footing. We are talking about the American F-16s, which in Kyiv consider another wunderwaffe capable of changing the situation at the front.

We keep telling the Americans that in the end there is no other solution but to give us fighter jets.

- added one of the officials.

However, the supply of a large number of modern anti-aircraft systems in Kyiv is also not refused, if only quickly and as sponsorship.

Comments

[Sinner]

Only recently there was an article that neither side has air superiority.

[incognoto]

we have superiority, the problem is that only Su-35s can give this superiority. and we don’t have many of them .. about a hundred, and it will be very stupid to use everything, the West can take advantage of this situation.

[bayard]

The article is about the superiority of Russian aviation, and not about general air superiority. Air superiority is made up of superiority over enemy aircraft + suppression of enemy air defenses. We initially have the first, but can not achieve the second.

Quote from incoggnoto

the problem is that only Su-35s can give this superiority. and there aren't many

And why are the Su-30SM incapable of gaining superiority? Against the aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, their capabilities are quite enough. But the Su-35S is definitely better, but the main thing is that it sees further, it has an RVV database in its arsenal, and the speed / acceleration characteristics are higher. They fly over the Black Sea and the Su-27SM, they also cope.
Su-35S in the theater are doing what they are required to do - gaining air supremacy. They provided it. But to organize the isolation of the combat area without suppressing enemy air defense does not work . Including due to the fact that the losses of air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are immediately compensated by their patrons from NATO.

[Stas157]

Quote from incoggnoto

we have superiority

If there is air superiority, then why don’t they fly there and bomb with cast iron?

[Fitter65]

Quote: Stas157

If there is air superiority, then why don’t they fly there and bomb with cast iron?

Having air superiority, while forcing Georgia to peace in August 2008, the Russian Air Force lost 1 Tu-22m3. Having in 1999 complete air superiority and the almost destroyed air defense of Yugoslavia, the US Air Force lost the F-117F, a stealth aircraft that was shot down by the S-125 air defense system ... About how in 1991, the MiG-25PD of the Iraqi Air Force shot down two F-18Сs were written a lot, and at first it was said that they collided during takeoff from the deck, then only one was shot down, and the second fell due to damage. And this is with the complete superiority of the NATO Air Force over Iraq, the MiG-25 took off, captured targets, launched missiles and landed at another airfield ...

[Trapp1st]

Only recently there was an article that neither side has air superiority.

there is still air superiority, but it is not possible to realize it because of the enemy’s air defense.

[I dare to_notice_]

Yeah ...
Almost like a classic.

[blackGRAIL]

There is a very key clarification in the text:

Two more Ukrainian officials confirmed that Kyiv's main problem is the complete dominance of Russian aircraft. over the war zone, which does not allow the provision of air support to ground units.

[Alexander 3]

The question arises - What other equipment does the West want to dispose of in Ukraine? Since Russia controls the airspace in the database zone, no F16 Rafali and other aircraft will change our dominance. And where will the Reich get pilots from?

[incognoto]

as practice has shown, air superiority does not give complete control. their aviation works. not so often and with losses but it works

[Trapp1st]

F16 Rafali and other aircraft will not change this dominance of ours

Modern aircraft with long-range weapons and planning air bombs with the support of AWACS can greatly complicate an already, to put it mildly, sad picture both on the ground and in the air.

[Nexcom]

Yes, there most likely Bzdyshiki and Andrzej all sorts will go as mercenary pilots

[incognoto]

the most important question is not what they will receive aviation, but what kind of modification they will receive ..
here's what you need to get away from.

[Nexcom]

Most likely not the latest modification, but vice versa. The usual practice of Westerners is to give what they themselves are worthless.

[incognoto]

that's it, their task is to probe the real possibility of Western technology against ours. and Ukrainians are just used like mice ..

[Yngvar]

They will give it in the modification "Old Bum", for recycling ... But for the money!
And yes, you are right - the flyers will most likely be "NATO ho xly", such as "Chinese pilot LiSiTsyn".

[AA17]

the most important question is not what they will receive aviation, but what kind of modification they will receive ..

Dear incoggnoto (oleg)
I agree with you. Ukraine received heavy equipment for the planned offensive. Tanks are weapons for breaking through enemy defenses. Therefore, in order to cover the tanks from the air, some kind of aircraft will be delivered. It seems that the issue of supplying aircraft to the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been resolved in principle. Just now the following questions will be decided: from where (from which country) will the planes take off and who (from which country will the pilots) fly the planes? As the West resolves these issues, the planes will immediately appear in the air in Ukraine.

[Leontrotsky]

That is, as I understand it, the planes will take off from Polish airfields and return there after completing a combat mission, and we will calmly look at it? I am convinced that the same Poles are aware that in this case, daggers and calibers will fly to these same airfields.

[rotmistr60]

If only quickly and as a sponsorship.

And more quantitatively. And again a song about the need for more modern aircraft.

[rocket757]

However, the supply of a large number of modern anti-aircraft systems in Kyiv is also not refused, if only quickly and as sponsorship.

. The question is ... but what, in general, they refuse, can they refuse?

[Egoza]

Quote: rocket757

but from something in general, they refuse, can they refuse?

You sho! It's a gift! How to refuse! ))) And people need to report to the owner.

[rocket757]

So the schemes are cunning and what remains of the saloreihu will have to pay the bills ... if at least something remains.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: rocket757

The question is ... but what, in general, they refuse, can they refuse?

Refuse? Yes, this is nonsense! Chewbaki is the mentality of Osip's servant from The Inspector General: "Give everything! Everything will go for the future. What's there? Rope? Come on and rope ..."

[solar]

Ukraine does not have the means to combat Russian aircraft

Only for some reason they don’t fly beyond the front line ...

[incognoto]

what's the point of risking the plane? here you need to work more on weapons that will allow you not to enter the air defense area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbresponsibility. the west works this way, and already finishes off with blanks when the air defense is completely destroyed

[kit88]

there is no other solution but to give us fighter jets, an unnamed official from Kyiv said

Give them everything. Not "sell", not "deliver", namely "give", i.e. for nothing, for free.
The Ukrainian official is incorrigible in principle.

[89824024836]

The deployment of special warheads with increased EMP for missiles in Belarus will make it possible to neutralize the threat of flying a swarm of drones launched from military transport aircraft (dropping up to 300 pieces from each) from the Western direction towards the air defense of the Russian Federation. The special warheads of the Daggers placed on the MIG-31 will make it possible to neutralize the US tactical nuclear weapons bases in Europe, including the warheads of France and England.

[Wolf]

Media I process the population of Russia to the fullest. Russia is fighting against NATO in its Krajina, and TUPIE Little Russia is just cannon fodder !!! Khazar Zelensky is just playing his part.
At the location of the Nazis, all NATO intelligence (satellites, radars, UAVs, long-range aircraft) Krajina is spotted by air defense and of Russian and NATO origin. They don't need planes in this attack phase!!!
They achieved their goal, which is a long-term war to deplete the resources of Russia.
The situation is complicated, but how to solve the problem? Empty is decided by the Voevoda in the General Staff, this is their work and their whole life.

[Codett]

If the Americans and the gay Europeans wanted to, then they handed over the same supertukano or A-10 warthog to the ukrovermacht a long time ago, and the Poles could throw off the Su-22 plus the Mig-21, some still have it, and the same amers have helicopters, but apparently the West is afraid of anti-advertising its own aviation industry, or it’s a pity for money, business, so to speak, is useless.