Poland's defense minister announced plans to create the "most powerful and numerous" army in Europe

The Polish army has reached the number of 160 thousand people, but this is not the limit, in the future, the Polish authorities will create the largest army in Europe. At the same time, it is stated that Warsaw is not developing any attack plans. This was stated by Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak.

The Polish authorities intend to increase the size of the army to 300 thousand people, of which 250 thousand will be represented by regular military personnel, and another 50 thousand - by territorial defense. But these are plans that will have to be realized by 2035. To date, the number of Polish troops has reached 160 thousand people. According to Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak, Poland will soon have the most powerful ground forces in Europe.

If we bring our plans to the end, if we can implement them without hindrance after the autumn elections, then in a short time the Polish ground forces will be the strongest in Europe

- he said, adding that all this is done in order to "scare off the aggressor", i.e. Russia. Warsaw allegedly does not hatch plans for an attack, Poland is a "peaceful country".

Earlier in Warsaw, they said that they had drawn conclusions from the conflict in Ukraine, so building up military potential is one of the top priorities for the authorities.

It is worth noting that recently Poland has been investing quite a lot of money in the rearmament of the army, purchasing military equipment not only of domestic production, but also around the world, in particular in the United States and South Korea. Recall that the army in Poland is professional, they serve in it under a contract, conscription for military service was canceled in 2010.

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[Alex Nevs]

Ahead loomed .... section pshYkii. We wish you good luck in the Proper division, and, well, the possible return of German territories.

[4ekist]

Mariusz Blaszczak ;..... soon Poland will have the most powerful ground forces in Europe.

I believe. The quantitative composition of the army per capita in Poland will break all conceivable records. Who will grow apples and strawberries.

[faiver]

Who will grow apples and strawberries

- refugees, who else, that is, lackeys ....

[Romario_Argo]

Poland is not Ukraine
The Belarusian hint is not understood - even an army of 1 million does not make any sense to Poland
everyone will burn in a nuclear fire 5 minutes after Poland's aggression on the CSTO

[B44]

I see a lot of disrespectful comments, even mocking ones. The real situation for Russia is a little sadder than it seems. When asked where they will get the money from, a colleague wrote beautifully above. 700 billion of Poland's GDP is a large amount, 3% of GDP allocated for armaments with the prospect of reaching 5% will be enough for shopping. They get big discounts on equipment from America, just like deals with Korea are good in that production will be ramped up in their country. When asked where soldiers will come from, the war will end one day and millions of people will emigrate to Poland from Ukraine, including many soldiers because their wives are already there. We completely ignore this topic in the media, and a military alliance between Poland and Ukraine after the war is very likely. An experienced and proven Ukrainian army and good, modern equipment in Poland can provide an unrivaled mixture without tactical nuclear weapons. Another thing, I do not think that Poland needs to conquer Belarus or Kaliningrad, why would they? After the war, they will receive Lvov and its environs without firing a shot, in gratitude and as a payment for "help".

[topol717]

Quote: B44

Poland's 700 billion GDP is a lot

Where did the data about 700 yards come from?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%9F_(%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB)
here are data from 3 world institutions, but there is only the last 20 years, but all have less than 600 yards. What kind of height did they have?
Even despite all the postscripts, there really was a decline, and under the crown and at 22 years old from the CBO, they had 1-2% growth in postscripts
Well, all your further text is the same bullshit.

[Negro]

Quote from: topol717

https://ru.wikipedia.org

Well, click on the word Poland and you will see data for 2021, 679 denominations. Moreover, by clicking on the word English on the left, you will see the forecast for 2023 - 754 nominal.

So don't be smart, it's not yours.

[Postcode]

When asked where soldiers will come from, the war will end one day and millions of people will emigrate to Poland from Ukraine, including many soldiers because their wives are already there. We completely ignore this topic in the media, and a military alliance between Poland and Ukraine after the war is very likely

Well-fed, generally stable Poland, with a population of less than 40 million, to find 300 who want to serve in the army, much less fight, is very .... very difficult)))) The Poles themselves migrate in herds to the same Great Britain (in London, whole Polish quarters), to New Zealand, Australia, Canada ..... an infinite number of cleaning sisters, lawn mowers in Poland itself (I'm talking about migrants from Ukraine) are not needed. Moreover, those who have shekels \ zloty, who do not have them, either fled to Europe, or did not go there, left for the West of Ukraine and rent housing there from those who left for Europe, or returned, because, as the pride of the great ukra or ukrchanki does not allow the Poles to wash the outhouses. Now, have you forgotten about the great territorial ambitions of Poland itself on the territory of Ukraine? How to honor Svidomo, go to the army, those who plan to grab part of its territories? It is clear that a pre-Ukrainian was born, a Jew cried, but not to the same extent)))). The military alliance of these countries looks very controversial. And besides how to lay claim to the ukrozem, they, the Poles, the beholder will not allow anything ...

[Bolt cutter]

in London, entire Polish quarters

The Poles actually, I note, in these quarters there are not so many, there is an East European International with the Black Sea Mastery. So "Polish quarters" is an exaggeration.

[Bolt cutter]

Poland will have the most powerful ground forces in Europe.

They can get self-victory - they will not be quacked by the most powerful (although not the weakest) economy in Europe.

[North Caucasus]

And how to determine the weakness and strength of the army? Who said there, ** An army with no combat experience becomes an army of janitors! **? This is about pshekov. What combat experience do they have? If their entire economy is sharpened for the maintenance of the army, then Poland is specifically kranty!

[Silver99]

As far as we know, the army must be fed, and not just recruited. In addition, the "most numerous" army will not be able to sit idle, it will just be a herd of decaying loafers. So at whose expense is this banquet from EU-subsidized Poland? Is it at the expense of Germany

[EvilCommunist]

namely, it is not in vain that the Poles seek reparations from the Fritz

[North Caucasus]

Aha! Innocent victims! The Germans trampled them, the Russians trampled them! What are the Americans doing there?

[donavi49]

The Polish economy is $700 billion, for comparison, Ukraine broke through $2021 in a record 200.

About Germany and other Netherlands. Well, they will either have to learn Russian and transfer all assets to Sechin / Miller / Kovalchuk, or send Hans, Johannes to the trenches deploying armies of about a million people. They don't want to do either. Therefore, investments in Tarasov and Yanov look quite attractive to themselves.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Burst from your "greatness". This has happened more than once, history will not lie.

[paul3390]

Who would only explain - for feijoa we have Poland, then? Twice in our history we had the unearthly happiness of owning arrogant lords - the third time you can’t drag us into this rake with an army tank carrier .. For there is a lot of noise - there is little wool, as the devil said when cutting a cat .. They eat a lot, yell even more, and the exhaust is simply meager . Absolutely hopeless people.. No, this is now the cross of the EU, and they should bear it. They may not even hope for the occupation of Poland by Russia .. Maximum - we can pave the asphalt, if they really confuse the coast ..

[I dare to_notice_]

And it was not necessary to try to "own".
You just had to have.
And in the tail and in the mane ...

[North Caucasus]

No need to be so hard. Poland has access to the Baltic. Do you think the Poles and the Baltic states are just welcome? This is cutting off Russia from the Baltic. What is the sea? The sea is the sea way. What happens if the roads are closed? And on the drum how many ports Russia has in the Baltic if from the north and south of the Baltic the inland sea of ​​NATO! Let's say tomorrow they will declare the Baltic Sea closed from shipping. How will Kaliningrad live? Finland is also tearing its ass for the ideas of the United States!

[Alex Nevs]

But it is necessary to expand the Kaliningrad region!. And this is a must.

[Negro]

Quote: paul3390

Who would only explain - for feijoa we have Poland, then?

There is an opinion that in the foreseeable future Eastern Europe (the Baltic States - Belarus - Ukraine - Moldova) will continue to be a troubled place. Therefore, everyone who is in this location or has borders with this location will benefit from a good army.

[Void]

Well, what’s there, let’s Poles from kindergarten to each Akm, don’t waste time on trifles

[Sevastiec]

ABOUT! Another "the most powerful army in Europe." By the way, this is a replay from the 30s of the last century. Then, the Polish newspapers already put the Polish army in the first place; secondly, the Wehrmacht was condescendingly assigned, and the Red Army was somewhere at the end of the top ten. I never get tired of repeating: history must be taught, not rewritten.

[North Caucasus]

Comrade Stalin also did not put a penny on the army of Poland. Although he did not run ahead of the locomotive. Complied with safety regulations! Dangerous! Can crush! Running ahead of the horse is also dangerous! It can trample!

[Artyom Savin]

300 thousand per 40 million population, in principle, is tolerable, but Poland and Hungary in the EU are stably subsidized. Will the belly button untie?

[North Caucasus]

Duc, work out subsidies however! Do you think they are just subsidized? Why then Iraq is not subsidized and Libya?

[Rosemary]

Quote: Artem Savin

300 thousand per 40 million population, in principle, is tolerable, but Poland and Hungary in the EU are stably subsidized. Will the belly button untie?

It is not clear where the misconception came from - Poland has the most successful economy among the countries of the former Eastern Bloc, much better than the Czech Republic, which occupies second place.
The World Bank classifies the Polish economy as a high-income economy, ranking 22nd in terms of GDP in the world and 6th in the European Union. Poland's public debt in 2021 amounted to 51% of GDP, which is lower than the EU average of 85%.

Well, compare - the average monthly salary in Poland in 2021 was 1 euros, in Russia - 002 euros (with approximately the same payroll taxes). At the same time, food prices in Poland are about the same as in Russia (with a much better quality of products), household appliances are cheaper, and rags are much cheaper.

And you can read about salaries in the Polish army here
https://topwar.ru/180595-ne-obizheny-dengami-skolko-poluchajut-voennosluzhaschie-v-polshe.html

[Alex Nevs]

The World Bank? They draw tears. Where and What does Pshykia sell? From this we dance. And we're throwing out options.

[Rosemary]

Quote: Alex Nevs

The World Bank? They draw tears. Where and What does Pshykia sell? From this we dance. And we're throwing out options.

Poland's main export destination is the countries of the European Union. Poland's largest export partner is Germany, where in 2021 Polish goods worth 56 billion euros were exported.

The main export commodities of Poland are machinery and spare parts for them, electronic and mechanical equipment, minerals (coal, copper, sulfur, magnesium, rock salt, etc.), wood and furniture, plastics and plastic products, iron, steel, iron, food, organic chemicals, pharmaceuticals.

Exports in 2021 in billions of US dollars:
13. Russia - 492,314 billion
23. Poland - 317,832 billion

Exports in 2021 per capita in USD:
36. Poland - $8
62. Russia - $3

[Bolt cutter]

Main export commodities of Poland

Produced in factories built by Old Europeans to sell in the countries of old Europe and maximize their profits by using cheap Polish labor and land resources. It is premature to talk about an economic miracle in Poland.

[Negro]

Quote: Rosemary

- Poland has the most successful economy among the countries of the former Eastern Bloc,

Not quite. Poland is the largest post-Soviet economy after the Russian Federation (so far), but in relative terms it is ahead of Slovenia, Estonia, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and even Hungary (WB 2021).

[Bolt cutter]

6th in the European Union

Much richer France and Germany and Italy cannot afford such an army.

the average monthly salary in Poland in 2021 was 1 euros

In France, this figure is 3.3 times higher. That is, against the background of Ukraine and Romania, the performance of the Poles is decent. But to swing at the military and economic leader of Europe is too much.

[Negro]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Much richer France and Germany and Italy cannot afford such an army.

You see, Poland can use the very money it saves on climate change, migrants and gender reassignment operations for this purpose. If Germany did this, it would not be like the Wehrmacht, the Reichswehr could revive.
As many examples have shown, the army is better not for those who have more money, but for those who need it more. Otherwise, the EU and the US, which are approximately equal in terms of economy, would have approximately equal armies.

[Bolt cutter]

the army is better not for those who have more money, but for those who need it more.

Nice line. Which does not change the fact that the modern army is very expensive. And Poland, I repeat, in terms of the economy looks beautiful only against the background of Ukraine and Romania.

migrants

How much did the invasion of Svidomo cost them, you know?

gender reassignment surgery.

You probably think that there is a queue for these operations, in which they enroll from school without exception ? Three or four freaks a year in this regard are inexpensive.

[Negro]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

the modern army is very expensive.

Azerbaijan has assembled quite a decent army, having the GDP of St. Petersburg.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Poland, I repeat, in terms of the economy looks beautiful only against the background of Ukraine and Romania.

You see, they are not going to fight with Ukraine and Romania.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

How much did the invasion of Svidomo cost them

It depends on how many Ukrainians work, and how much of the benefits are paid with European money, not Polish.

Besides, you see what's the matter. Ukrainians and Poles have a common enemy. So an additional number of Ukrainians can help create an army - it seems that the Ukrainians understand something about this. But the Germans and Pakistanis (Syrians have never made up the majority of refugees) have different interests.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Three or four freaks a year in this regard are inexpensive.

It's a question of priorities.

[Bolt cutter]

the number of Ukrainians can help create an army

having successfully escaped the prospect of joining the ranks of his own .

Azerbaijan has assembled quite a decent army

The unrecognized Karabakh was broken. And against whom else would they have a chance with their army?

what part of Ukrainians works

From the moment they became poor refugees instead of illegal immigrants - very small - they go to Europe for the wrong reason. Last week I was in Nice - there are more dill on the streets than Arabs.

they are not going to fight with Ukraine and Romania.

With Russia. But that's not the point. And the fact that the successes of the economy are exaggerated and it will not be easy for Poland to create and maintain such an army. If they raise taxes and lower the standard of living, it will be even worse - the Poles will migrate to the west of the EU,

[Negro]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

having successfully escaped the prospect of joining the ranks of his own

The Ukrainian army is not rubber.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

And against whom else would they have a chance with their army?

On that TVD? Second after Turkey.

However, you see, the Azerbaijanis did not need to prepare for war with anyone. They have one enemy, known for 30 years, and a known goal of the war. This allows you to work much more efficiently. It's called doctrinal advantage.

Not everyone, you know, can boast of such a thing.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Last week I was in Nice - there are more dill on the streets than Arabs.

Nice place and not cheap. I'm very happy for them. By the way, for you too. And for Poland - it is unlikely that Ukrainians cut across Nice for Polish benefits.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

And the fact that the successes of the economy are exaggerated and it will not be easy for Poland to create and maintain such an army.

I don't see a problem at all. Approximately half of the Russian economy, and there is no need to prepare for a war with NATO - they themselves are NATO. If, with such inputs, the ground grouping turns out not only to be weaker than the Russian one, but comparable to the Russian one, this will mean a very poor performance. That is, it’s directly much worse than Russian and Ukrainian.

This is hard to imagine.

[Bolt cutter]

The Ukrainian army is not rubber.

The Ukrainians defending Londonets-on-Thames told me otherwise. I see no reason not to believe them.

it is unlikely that Ukrainians cut through Nice for Polish benefits.

On the Polish allowance, they dissect in Gdynia and Sopot. And just recently (now covered up) they received benefits and went back to Ukraine to drink it. Then, after 2 weeks, they returned for a new portion of freebies. But yes, they neglect the opportunity to strengthen the economy and the army of Poland for the most part - they prefer to hang around the resorts of Europe (in Funchal in December, the picture was something like in Nice).

Nice place and not cheap.

the monthly allowance of a poor refugee, my wife and I squandered in three days, not particularly flashy. Excluding housing.

Approximately half of the Russian economy

Have you been there (in Poland)? Most of their economy does not belong to the Poles; it is practically an industrial industrial zone where old European corporations earn money for themselves. It is cheaper to take the plant to Poland than to import Poles to a plant in Germany. Something like this.
After the first wave of repatriates, the Poles are no longer eager to leave France\England\Ireland back to Poland in order to feel the economic power of their homeland. And why would it?

[Negro]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Ukrainians defending Londonets-on-Thames told me otherwise

What else can they say? You, I suspect, are also not freeing Artyomovsk from the Nazis. Sneaked into the lair of the enemy, so to speak.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

But yes, they neglect the opportunity to strengthen the economy and the army of Poland for the most part - they prefer to hang around the resorts of Europe (in Funchal in December, the picture was about the same as in Nice).

Well, it's nice, at least people will rest.

For a man who does nothing but travel around European resorts in search of Ukrainians, you are somehow too worried about the Polish economy.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

the monthly allowance of a poor refugee, my wife and I squandered in three days, not particularly flashy. Excluding housing.

Well, you see. Rich people can afford it.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Most of their economy does not belong to the Poles; it is practically an industrial industrial zone where old European corporations earn money for themselves. It is cheaper to take the plant to Poland than to import Poles to a plant in Germany. Something like this.

You have some Soviet ideas about the economy. If the economy creates added value, the asset ownership structure plays a secondary role. In Russia, for example, a smaller part of the assets is owned by offshore companies, and the largest part is owned by the state, while the second part produces added value, as a rule, worse than the first.

Quote: Bolt Cutter

And why would it?

Since France, England and especially Ireland are still richer than Poland, plus professions in demand in Ireland, the European center of American high-tech, it is not a fact that they are in demand in Poland.

However, you are talking. Here, some poor Portugal tried to catch up 20 years ago and did not catch up, and you decided to compare Poland with Ireland, the richest country in the world. Yes, the Poles are very far from Ireland. Far from Ireland and the USA. But Ireland does not yet need a land army, but the Poles do.

[Bolt cutter]

Far from Ireland and the USA.

In Ireland, I managed to live a little. Record amounts of GDP are practically not reflected in the income of the Irish - the standard of living there is like in England. And all because these figures are the income of TNCs, which are "made" there only formally. That is, there is formally added value, but it is taken away somewhere else.

travels to European resorts in search of Ukrainians, you are somehow too worried about the Polish economy.

I am interested in economics, regardless of tours. By the way, in Europe they are not so expensive. And in relation to Poland, before they often went just for the weekend, it was cheaper than staying in London. Plus I chat with friends from there. So it’s not only the Internet that lives, I also saw it in real life.

What else can they say?

As a rule, they yell about how they will win all mokshas, ​​sipping beer in the park. It is rare to have a constructive conversation with any of them.

[donavi49]

Why does Italy need an army? As well as Germany of the Merkel period - where the main thing for the Bundeswehr was the readiness to carry out humanitarian missions, and the fleet was replenished with an entire division of Badden-Wutenberg, with a corvette armament in the displacement of a destroyer (1000 tons less than Burke).

Similarly, Italy - significant money goes to the fleet. Only the PPA program gobbled up 4 billion euros.

Also in Italy 75 F-35 on order, including VTOL aircraft for Trieste and Cavour.

Well, again, resources. Germany and Italy have been choosing oil over cannons for the last 20 years. Now everything is changing, Germany is already sending +100 billion euros to the defense industry.

[Negro]

Quote: donavi49

the fleet was replenished with a whole division of Badden-Wutenberg, with the armament of a corvette in the displacement of a destroyer

By the way, the original project was a very interesting ship - with a seared highmars and a cruising gun. But during the construction they decided to make it cheaper.

But not from Russia to make claims to someone about shipbuilding.

[Wildcat]

Why does Italy need an army? Just like Germany during the Merkel period

And rightly so. Don't make a tool that you don't want to use because you don't need to. And then after all "if at the beginning of the play there is a gun hanging on the wall, then by the end of the play it should fire".

The most interesting thing is that no new "tank divisions" are planned in Germany, IMHO. Rearmament (aircraft, helicopters, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, ... down to new underwear for soldiers), but no new units. Here it would be interesting to compare Germany / Italy with Poland, which, IMHO, "does not exclude anything for itself."

Germany and Italy have been choosing oil over cannons for the last 20 years. Now everything is changing, Germany is already sending +100 billion euros to the defense industry.

100 billion, if I correctly understood "machine German translations", this is to replenish the mat. stocks, repairs, etc., up to road/bridge work and training/"deployment" fees.
New purchases, including "long-range" air defense / missile defense (Patriot will be left in the "middle range"), S-RAM, "military Internet" and tanks / aircraft / BT and AT, new ships - this will be other money.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

100 billion, if I correctly understood "machine German translations", this is to replenish the mat. stocks, repairs, etc., up to road/bridge work and training/"deployment" fees.

You can hold a tank biathlon and storm the plywood Reichstag. That is, on the contrary, defense.

[Wildcat]

You can hold a tank biathlon and storm the plywood Reichstag. That is, on the contrary, defense.

IMHO, if I understand correctly, the German generals are demanding more drills; stocks; bringing equipment to a single standard, regardless of the year of manufacture; repairs; transport and "operational readiness". It's 100 billion.

But you are right, apparently, if there are tanks in the army, then one cannot do without competitions and public appearances / for politicians. Shooting from personal weapons directly from the hatch of a tank is especially funny.


https://youtu.be/FX-sf0UcJRI

https://youtu.be/jVfwdWBcuXM

https://youtu.be/cIQsAQ9vZWk

When there is no Guberniev in the commentators, you have to listen to the tankers themselves:

https://youtu.be/BMYrnGCAcwk

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

if there are tanks in the army, then one cannot do without competitions and public appearances / for politicians.

This Shoigovism in itself does no honor to anyone, but you see, there is a more important question.

Why does the country need an army at all? If the question of the war with the damned NATO is irrelevant, then there can be three answers.
1. Oversis (France, USA, Britain).
2. A war near the border, if you're lucky from the outside, if you're not lucky - from the inside (Middle East, Africa, China's neighbors, Russia's neighbors).
3. Release compatriots who groan under the yoke of gender-neutral Nazis (here are a number of specific countries).

It is hard for me to imagine that we will hear from German politicians the answer to this question. By the way, old Adenauer did not hesitate to answer him, but fighters for everything good are far from being Adenauer.

And without a political decision, the army will not work. Therefore, I have no doubt that Poland, having 2 times less people and 6 times less money, will cope much better than Germany.

Because Poland needs it, but Germany does not.

[Wildcat]

Why does the country need an army at all? If the question of the war with the damned NATO is irrelevant, then there can be three answers. ... And without a political decision, the army will not work.

IMHO, you are oversimplifying a bit.

In addition to the options you mentioned, there are others, for example, "allied / partner military obligations." And even if now not all countries need the army in an obvious combat-ready form, this does not mean that it should not be left, at least as a social institution or "an exhibition of achievements of the national economy - (military) Germany" (abbreviated VDNKh-(V)G ). As one wise man said,It takes 3 years to build a new ship, 300 years to create a new tradition.".

As for the political decision, it has long been adopted and continues to be implemented: "keep Russians out of Europe, Americans in Europe, and Germans under European control"(c) G. Ismay, the first Secretary General of NATO.
And the results of the "Ismay plan" are obvious: if earlier the conditional "Adenauer" in terms of the conditional "Russians" was concerned about the "Fulda Corridor", now NATO and the conditional "Scholz" are expecting in the near future a probable battle near the administration of Bakhmut (aka Artemovsk, 71 thousand population) - and hardly further to the West. From the seventh most populous city in Europe - Kyiv (2,9 million people) - the troops regrouped last year.

So, due to the successful participation in the NATO bloc (after all, since 1945 there has been no big war in Europe), Germany must do something. In the person of Scholz and "under pressure from voters and the Bundestag", 14 PC2000, 18 Leo2 - an interesting number to participate in the conditional "Powell plan for the Armed Forces of Ukraine", which is already scheduled for 2025. Here, by the way, "counter obligations" appeared in the form of 1600 tanks just in three years - IMHO, there will definitely not be peace for a long time.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

"allied/partner military commitments"

Military alliances are divided into two types. The first is the option I mentioned "war from the outside of your border." Just a hypothetical new Commonwealth could become such a military alliance.
The second option is supposedly existing.

Quote: Wildcat

at least as a social institution

The more lively the army is a social institution, the more dangerous it is for politicians. So it's better not to.

Quote: Wildcat

exhibition of achievements of the national economy - (military) Germany

It won't pay off.

Quote: Wildcat

it takes 300 years to create a new tradition

You see, the German tradition was highly respected - not without reason. A lot of effort was put into burying it a little underground.

Quote: Wildcat

keep Russians out of Europe, Americans in Europe, and Germans under European control

This is some simplification of the situation.

Quote: Wildcat

NATO and the conditional "Scholz" expect in the near future a probable battle near the administration of Bakhmut (aka Artemovsk, 71 thousand people) - and hardly further to the West

That is, Scholz does not need an army. This is what we are talking about.

Quote: Wildcat

So, due to the successful participation in the NATO bloc (after all, since 1945 there has been no big war in Europe), Germany must do something

Without soul.

[I dare to_notice_]

"The Minister of Defense of Poland announced plans to create the "most powerful and numerous" army in Europe"
AND?..
Will they finally go and take Berlin?!

[Christian Revuelta]

A peaceful country... Sure, we believe you...polish scumbag

[Adrian28]

Poland is a "peaceful country"

[Soldatov V.]

In principle, we just need to recreate our Russian (Russian) army within 3-5 million personnel, in the right amount of military equipment and just wait for the Poles to go crazy, or the Germans can’t stand it and once again attack Poland, they have something demand from them.
The main thing for us is that they do not cross the border to us. And let them beat each other. Purely Chinese approach.

[Negro]

Quote: V.

you need to recreate your Russian (Russian) army within 3-5 million personnel

3% of the population, more than in the USSR? Great idea, it went great with the USSR.

[rotmistr60]

in the future, the Polish authorities will create the largest army in Europe

If they don’t provoke the start of a new world war, then they will create it, because. the Germans today can no longer compete with them, and the French have enough of their own internal worries. But Poland would not be Poland if, again, as a result of its ambitions, arrogance and narcissism, it did not get into yet another trouble for itself.

[rocket757]

Poland's defense minister announced plans to create the "most powerful and numerous" army in Europe

. Their Wishlist is immeasurable ... who will pay for such a "banquet"?
Will the minke whales be able to hang such a yoke on the gay Europeans ???

[Negro]

Quote: rocket757

Who will pay for such a "banquet"?

The best army in Europe now is not so expensive. Europe has strongly neglected this issue.

[rocket757]

How can this be?
The best and cheap... it doesn't happen, except in words, but in reality how?

[Negro]

Quote: rocket757

it doesn’t happen, except in words, but in deeds how?

Israel's economy is almost two times smaller than Poland, Turkey is about the same. The armies of both countries are very strong by European standards.

If Poland can create an army comparable to the IDF, this will be more than enough.

[dimbasic]

believe a Pole, do not respect yourself. why spend a lot of money if you are in the NATO bloc and at the same time you are not going to attack anyone, while having territorial claims to at least 3 neighbors and financial claims to at least one?

[Negro]

Quote from dimbasic

why spend a lot of money if you are in the NATO bloc and at the same time you are not going to attack anyone

Then what if the Americans then discuss the supply of shells for three months and the supply of aviation for a year, it may turn out unpleasant.

[Sly]

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why spend a lot of money if you are in the NATO bloc and at the same time you are not going to attack anyone

So yes, but maybe they were told to do so, suddenly Ukraine dries up ...

[dimbasic]

believe a Pole, do not respect yourself. why spend a lot of money if you are in the NATO bloc and at the same time you are not going to attack anyone, while having territorial claims to at least 3 neighbors and financial claims to at least one?

[Artyom Savin]

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Quote: Artem Savin

300 thousand per 40 million population, in principle, is tolerable, but Poland and Hungary in the EU are stably subsidized. Will the belly button untie?

It is not clear where the delusion came from

From data periodically published on the website of the European Commission. Emnip, a few years ago, Poland received more from the EU than it paid in euros for a budget of 11 billion euros. And so for years.