Ground-based drone for the destruction of enemy armored vehicles "Hedgehog" developed in Russia

Russian developers, along with work on unmanned aerial vehicles, are also creating ground combat platforms that can help on the battlefield. Andrey Bratenkov, executive director of the Spektr Engineering design bureau, spoke about another development in this area.

Design Bureau specialists have developed a ground-based drone, called the "Hedgehog". The drone is wheeled, retains mobility even if it is turned over. It is capable of delivering a payload weighing up to 5 kg at a distance of up to 5 kilometers. In the future, the load is planned to be increased to 10 kg. The main purpose is the destruction of enemy manpower in shelters and armored vehicles by undermining. Therefore, the device is made as cheap as possible.

"Hedgehog" is created so that when the combat situation deteriorates, soldiers can launch a vehicle from a trench to the enemy, which would deliver a mine to the enemy. Or they brought ammunition "under the belly" of the enemy's armored vehicles, because this is the most vulnerable spot for all vehicles crawling on the ground

- leads TASS Bratenkov's words.

As already mentioned, the "Hedgehog" is wheeled drone, it was decided to abandon the caterpillar platform immediately. Firstly, it is more expensive to perform, and secondly, the drone is small and the tracks do not provide the desired effect. And to make special lugs is to again increase the cost of the structure.

At what stage the work on the ground-based drone is not reported, let's hope that this development will soon fall into the NVO zone and really help our fighters.

Comments

[Mouse]

Hedgehogs in the fog are especially effective.....

[Machito]

Hedgehog - no head, no knife.
Such Hedgehogs need to be launched in hundreds to attack enemy fortified areas.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Bearded

Hedgehog - no head, no legs.
Such Hedgehogs need to be launched in hundreds to attack enemy fortified areas.

I am a gray hedgehog
No head, no legs
hump back,
On the back is a harrow.
Let me live here
I will guard the tower.
Better than us forest hedgehogs
There are no guards in the world!

[Saburov_Alexander53]

According to Western intelligence, our imported washing machines and refrigerators have already been mobilized for the needs of the front. The turn of robotic vacuum cleaners has come. Microwaves get ready, you will reflect the raids of light drones

[Konstantin Votintsev]

Children's battery cars to put into action both as intelligence and as a demolition

[forty-eighth]

Speculatively, there is some skepticism about the possibilities of overcoming rough terrain. Especially if the area is crossed by craters, mines and other "weekdays" of the war. Look at this marvel of engineering. If this is a repainted robot from Yandex.Delivery, then it's bad

[sergo1914]

Quote: forty-eighth

Speculatively, there is some skepticism about the possibilities of overcoming rough terrain. Especially if the area is crossed by craters, mines and other "weekdays" of the war.

I have hedgehogs in my dacha. Calmly overcome rough terrain. And if you feed it with lard from the carcass, any tank will be filled up.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Look at this marvel of engineering.
You can take a look at the photo of Lunokhod-1 ... The achievements of the past should not be lost. True, I do not remember the ability to continue moving if he, Lunokhod, turned over. It was this main danger that forced us to carefully choose the route of movement past the stones and pits.

[skeptic]

Quote: forty-eighth

Speculatively, there is some skepticism about the possibilities of overcoming rough terrain. Especially if the area is crossed by craters, mines and other "weekdays" of the war.

It's more like a short, quick ambush. 5-10kg of explosives have weight and volume, not counting the "Hedgehog" itself. Or bringing explosives under the wall of the facility.

[KolVisin]

Well, here it is:

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[Sergei N 58912062]

Quote: Kolvizin

Well, here it is:

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Against the background of American FMTV and HMMWV cars.

[Silver99]

I have a skeptical attitude towards this idea, it will be easier to bombard the enemy area with cluster launchers using small explosive devices, and massively bothering with each radio-controlled "hedgehog" on the battlefield is difficult and long, especially since the wheeled drone will simply get stuck in the nearest groove from the boot 45 size.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Yes, if such a concept were effective, the world would already have done such a lot of good! But there is something missing...

[aars]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

The world would already be full of such good things!

This is what the Germans did in the ww2 period!

But with control by wire, the then level of radio did not allow.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: aars

But with control by wire, the then level of radio did not allow.

now the enemy is using an FPV drone with an RPG7 shot .... the price of a drone in terms of rubles is about 50 thousand ....
much more efficient than a wheeled cart .....

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Lawrence_NaVasNo

now enemy is using FPV drone with RPG7 shot

By the way, a very dangerous weapon turned out. I saw a couple of videos of using tanks on the go.

[stankow]

And there were no video cameras!
............

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Mouse

Hedgehogs in the fog are especially effective...

The main purpose is the destruction of enemy manpower in shelters and armored vehicles by undermining.

So I see: Ukrainians are smoking in a caponier (why don’t ask 5 km from the LBS) and the Hedgehog crawls towards them. They: - Mykola wonder, what's wrong? - Ta ... knows him, let's see what it's like to rob?

[igorbrsv]

And what? There is a wandering mortar, and this is a wandering mine. Silently (relatively) drove up and blew up. 5 kg of TNT is badabum. Or drove behind the cover, or fell into the parapet ....

[SergioPetrov]

Are there any similar ones? Or not again?

[Goto]

Ukrainians have. The video has already been shown. Like a goliath among the Germans.

[forcecom]

Yes, remember the Swabians did in 1942, Self-propelled mine "Goliath" Sd.Kfz. 302 was called.

[Demon]

Ukrainians are ahead, they are developing Gnom Kamikaze, to see this is our answer to the "gnome". An analogue can be assembled by yourself from 4 motor wheels with controllers from an electric scooter, a BC, a battery, a remote control with a receiver, a pair of servos, a samovar body. From this set you will get a product with a load capacity of up to 40 kg.

[Mavrikiy]

Ground drone to destroy enemy armored vehicles "Hedgehog" developed in Russia

"Hedgehog", not heads, not legs. But 5 kg is not enough. Yes

In the future, the load is planned to be increased to 10 kg.

doesn't solve the problem either. Half weight per casing, 5 kg - BB. It won’t fall exactly under the caterpillar, it will tear under the belly, you need special cumulative ammunition. Yes, and batteries ...... go KBS.

[forty-eighth]

More than enough for any unarmored target

[Shukhov]

Needed as a shahid mobile, sufficiently armored and with 0,5-1 ton of explosives exactly in the area, but smaller than a motorcycle league

[-Paul-]

... and with 0,5-1 tons of explosives exactly in the fortified area ...

FAB-500...

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: -Paul-

FAB-500...

FAB 500 on wheels!

[igorbrsv]

These sizes are easy to hit. Here the meaning is secretly, silently, unexpectedly, cheaply and practically with a guarantee

[Nexcom]

in the Wehrmacht, something similar was offered and even used, but only on tracks.
wedges with explosives. cable management.
By the way, during the Polish "uprising" in Warsaw, the Germans undermined the barricades of the rebels with the help of such tankettes.

[Pilot]

Our dogs worked, dropping explosives into enemy pillboxes and in front of tanks. Dogs are not used like that now, and this Hedgehog got lost somewhere in the endless Russian fog, he is a year late, like flying drones. Yearning.

[dump22]

Our dogs worked, dropping explosives into enemy pillboxes and in front of tanks.

They just didn’t drop it, but exploded along with the tank.
And the matter did not advance further than the tests:

http://broneboy.ru/противотанковое-оружие/противотанковое-оружие-пехоты/пт-мины-красной-армии/противотанковая-собака/

Anti-tank mobile mine of the Red Army.

As conceived by the creators of the mine, the dog, accustomed to finding its food under the tank, was supposed to be released from the trench in the direction of the attacking German tanks, run to the car and dive under its bottom. At the same time, the pin deflected back triggered the MUV fuse (Mine Universal Fuse) and an explosion of 12.4 kg. TNT in the immediate vicinity of the bottom, broke through it, which led to the destruction of the crew, a fire inside the car and an explosion of ammunition.

... Showing the military leadership the successful actions of one such dog, on the basis of which it was decided to develop this method of mine warfare, turned out to be elementary fraud. In fact, a dog named Inga was trained for a long time at a specific place in the Moscow training ground in the same actions, i.e. primitive training was carried out according to the principles of the circus.

[kromer]

The design idea worked. This cannot but rejoice.

[Ohsetin]

While it looks more like a request for budget funding, there is not a single photo on the Internet.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Ohsetin

more like a request for public funding,

More like high school students.

[sagitovich]

She, the design idea, works on the other side. If the "hedgehogs" are effective, then we will continue to observe the war of "hedgehogs" and drones.
Once a fantasy, in reality.

[Prisoner]

"Svidomo" Banderva kept worrying that we had scammed all the hedgehogs. Worried for nothing. Ours and their share left. "Eat", don't be sloppy.

[Ohsetin]

Will there be photos, videos or only projectors? Ukrainians have already shown some kind of crap on wheels with an anti-tank mine, but somehow no one was delighted with such an idea. But, it is understandable - the battles do not take place on an asphalt site.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Under each ukrovoyaku-,, hedgehog,, under cf. Ku.)

[nellyjuri]

The hedgehog is the best. For a naked Bandera ass.

[Ohsetin]

At what stage the work on the ground-based drone is not reported, let's hope that this development will soon fall into the NVO zone and really help our fighters.

For more than a year, planning bombs could have been put into series for a long time. If you mobilize science and industry, you can probably learn how to make thermal imagers. That would really help, not these toys from the Aliexpress part.

[Vladimir M]

And where did "Trampoline" with its "Know-how" go? Haven't heard anything about him lately.

[Nexcom]

Vestimo with the Tsarist Wolves is already breaking the line of defense of the shareware. Ahead of all.

[Pilot]

Quote: Nexcom

Vestimo with the Tsarist Wolves is already breaking the line of defense of the shareware. Ahead of all.

Uh-huh ... the campaign front-line taverns are tired of counting the proceeds ...

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Vladimir M

And where did "Trampoline" with its "Know-how" go?

He went into PR.

Quote: Vladimir M

Haven't heard anything about him lately.

Right today, at your request:

Rogozin said that Russian soldiers on the front line began to receive erotic calls

[Sith]

It must be done so that he can still dig in and disguise himself ... in order to sneak up in the dark
And on orders to attack with a pack

[Saburov_Alexander53]

It must be done so that he can still dig in and disguise himself ... in order to sneak up in the dark
Three hundred thousand of these "hedgehogs" were made last fall, they are already howling.

[forcecom]

and why did I remember Red Alert 2 with the Soviet Terror Drone.

[75 Sergey]

A caterpillar mover at an intersection is preferable, there is nothing complicated in a rubber-fabric or rubber-metal goose, it can be done according to the BT-5/7 principle, if the caterpillar is lost, continue moving on wheels

[Ohsetin]

So in the article it is written:

As already mentioned, the "Hedgehog" is a wheeled drone, it was decided to abandon the tracked platform immediately. Firstly, it is more expensive to perform, and secondly, the drone is small and the tracks do not provide the desired effect. And to make special lugs is to again increase the cost of the structure.

Those. only the cheapest parts from Aliexpress, tyap-blunder, reported, received 500 thousand, and then at least the grass does not grow.

[Hog]

Goliath v.2023? Permeability is in question, and invisibility.

[Kuziming]

The idea is sound, success to developers and manufacturers.

[Chersky]

What I always liked about Soviet / Russian design thought was the ability to come up with such names for military equipment)))

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Chersky

the ability to come up with such a name for military equipment

Hedgehog - without a head and legs.

[former soldier]

In 1943, the Germans used a mobile radio-controlled mine on the Kursk Bulge - it was called "Goliath". On caterpillars the size of an average dog. I have not heard anything about the effectiveness of this mobile mine.

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Honestly...
and laughter and sin ... it would be better if they set up the production of FPV drones with shots from RPG7 !!!! how does the enemy
ps
and with what speed will this miracle of engineering thought move over rough terrain?
PPP
yeah, it's total bullshit...

[Pravodel]

This already took place during the Second World War, where the Germans used guided Bogvard tankettes against us.
At the WWII front, the use of Bogguards did not show high efficiency.

[Maks1995]

How many had already been before the NWO of all sorts of defeats about tracked anti-tank UAVs ... only then they were silent.
4 pieces, they wrote, Rogozin dug up somewhere ... and again he was silent ....
And here again ...

With such a presentation, it can turn out to be a single drone from Aliexpress, and a student’s craft, or the work of fans in the Garage.
Because models on radio control with large wheels dabbled in the USSR.

But about the pros who custom-made real scale models of armored vehicles (and aircraft) up to the NWO (there were videos about the masters on the Internet), NOTHING is heard. But it’s just for them to launch at least some kind of production - the easiest way, logically.

[Teledroid]

If we take something like this as a basis - https://youtu.be/BMQsAgYceAA?t=58 - then there will be few problems with patency.

[Nikolaevich I]

Lord! When will these crooked EGsmen stop annoying? What did I think when I saw the word "drone"? Of course, about the UAV! "Drone" is the designation for an UAV! "Born to crawl-fly can't!"... Well, contact the banker pisyuki to the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation... ask to introduce (legitimize) a normal term (!) ... well, at least, droid!

[Demon]

A strange concept, to make it as cheap as possible to the detriment of cross-country ability, abandoning cheap lugs, while the range is up to 5 km. It was going to be used on smooth asphalt? Then you can forget about the trenches. The only justification for abandoning the tracks is the speed of movement, which is indirectly confirmed by the ability to move upside down. Its own weight is estimated to be around 10 kg.
You can collect such a miracle in the garage, at least one-time, at least reusable. 4 motor wheels with controllers from an electric scooter, a BC, a battery, a remote control with a receiver, a couple of servos, a samovar body. The price of such a set in the collection is less than 200k. A more passable option on gooses with two motors can be kept within the same price. But in my case, on asphalt on wheels, a load capacity of at least 40 kg is guaranteed, a cruising range of at least 20 km. Based on the experience of using electric scooters and electric bikes, the carrying capacity is up to 100 kg and the range, depending on the battery, is from 20 to 80 km. On the cheapest goose with alik, the load capacity on the ground will be from 10 kg and a range of 5 km, on a more expensive one, the load capacity is already from 50 kg. The range of work rests on the possibility of a communication and control channel, in a garage version it is 500-1000m, depending on the terrain.
It is possible to assemble a 6 or 8 drop wheeler with a much higher carrying capacity and cross-country ability. There is a scheme with strong all-terrain characteristics. Execution in the form of a mobile cargo all-terrain platform is possible.

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Demon

the ability to move upside down.

On a caterpillar track, you can also move upside down. In both cases, the issue is only with the fuse (as I understand it, you need 2 and standard mines will not work). And in terms of speed, the question is the size of the wheels: large wheels - speed and maneuverability, but they unmask and not crawl under every tank. Well, and vice versa.

[Demon]

It is possible, but on caterpillar tracks the speed will be lower. In the "hedgehog" the inverted mode of movement has a different meaning, the greater the speed, the more likely the coup in the event of a control error, and not for cross-country ability. The size of the wheels (as a rule) has little effect on speed, it depends more on the performance characteristics of the engine and on the transmission (if any). With a payload capacity of 5kg, this roughly corresponds to a 1:8 scale R/C car. On alik, this one costs around 100k and its maximum speed without load is up to 80 km / h.
I don’t consider fuses, most likely there is a remote one. There is no point in fooling around with mines if there is an operator.

[SincerityX]

It is an erroneous misconception that the wheels have necessarily low patency. With sufficient width, the base is shorter than the diameter of the wheel, the cross-country ability can be no worse, or even better than the geese, narrow for sure. The parameter "specific pressure on the ground" and "contact patch" is important, when the correct ratio is obtained, the wheel travel can be fast and efficient, and most importantly, less massive than classic track tracks. Again, from the pros - there is less chance of "taking off your shoes" (this is especially true for rubber-caterpillar running), more speed, less chance of losing speed when hit from a rifle (tubeless airless wheels are not easy to destroy), again, additional protection of the sides, since such wheels at least slow down the bullet, cheap. There are many pluses. Especially for a disposable product.

PS After the publication, I remembered a good example - Sherp.

[Nikolaevich I]

The "glory" of the "self-propelled anti-tank mines" of the Wehrmacht haunts modern crazy people!

GOLIATH
But even here, the crazy people were ahead of ours ...

GNOM KAMIKAZE
But the future of "anti-bottom" ammunition is in a different "perspective"!

Moreover, the experience is already there!

[Nikolaevich I]

PS Moreover, there is already experience!

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[vovochkarzhevsky]

Guys, and one I decided to find out what kind of beast this is, the design bureau "Spectrum Engineering" and its executive director Andrey Bratenkov?
So, I spent an hour of time, but I did not find the site of this organization. However, something curious still came across.

So:

LLC "Design Bureau" Spektr-Engineering ". The organization is very strong.

Production: Novosibirsk region, Novosibirsk, st. Trolleynaya, d. 87/1, bldg. 1
Office: Novosibirsk region, Novosibirsk, st. Station, d. 60/1, room. 411
Experience (years): 4
Employees: 15
Area (m²): 500
Machines: 5

From here: https://nsk.metalloobrabotchiki.ru/company/kb-spektr-inzhiniring

Further, this organization is included in LLC GROUP COMPANY "SPEKTR" with an authorized capital ... 10 thousand rubles.
Founder naturally Bratenkov Andrey Alekseevich.
From here: https://www.audit-it.ru/contragent/1075401016844_ooo-gruppa-kompaniy-spektr

What he says about himself:

Small but cheeky
Design Bureau "SPEKTR"
We strive to create our own car, plane and boat.
We train (hockey, wrestling, motocross, off-road, RC models and much more) and work for pleasure
Our fathers only guessed where their motorcycle or car could go at night))). The removed battery, fuel pump, exit from the garage sprinkled with fine sand and other anti-theft devices of the 80s and 90s did not help in any way.

From here: https://www.drive2.ru/users/kb-spektr

Well, what seemed to me the most curious, Bratenkov Andrey Alekseevich is the founder and head of 8 organizations:

LLC "KOMOL"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "KOMOL"
Liquidated February 4, 2016

LLC "SPEKTR LOGISTIK"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "SPEKTR LOGISTIK"
Liquidated on January 14, 2016

LLC "MODERN TECHNOLOGIES"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "MODERN TECHNOLOGIES"
Liquidated on September 14, 2015

LLC "ARMY OF SALVATION"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "ARMY OF SALVATION"
Liquidated on September 29, 2016

LLC "GK "SPEKTR PLUS"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "GROUP OF COMPANIES "SPEKTR PLYUS"
Liquidated March 6, 2019

OOO GROUP COMPANY "SPECTR"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "GROUP OF COMPANIES "SPEKTR"
Liquidated June 1, 2020

OOO "SPEKTR SM"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "SPEKTR SM"
Liquidated on January 14, 2016

LLC "MEDEXPORT"
LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY "MEDEXPORT"
Liquidated on January 20, 2023

From here: https://checko.ru/person/540787849136
These are the pies with kittens.

[Ohsetin]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

These are the pies with kittens.

According to the performance characteristics of the drone, it is already immediately clear that there will be another cut and the ninth company will soon be liquidated.

[Sergei N 58912062]

These are the pies with kittens.

And these pies smell like another cut of budgetary funds.

[Chack wessel]

Quote: SergioPetrov

Are there any similar ones? Or not again?

To whom they nafik need such analogues!?

[Kusja]

By the time he gets through the funnels, blockages and bushes, weeds, parts of equipment, etc., etc., then the battle will end, or he himself will be crushed. Seems kind of crazy to me...

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Kusja

funnels, blockages and bushes, weeds, parts from equipment, etc., etc.

A copter will fly up and how to transfer it to a flat road in Dune.

[QuestionsNeudobny]

and if the engine is silent for him, it’s finally complete game for the enemy! at night I drove into the trench and how it detonated! a cheap thermal imager and release dozens at night. Stoltenberg's horse will probably splatter all his glasses with his poisonous saliva.

[agond]

Quote, ""Hedgehog" is a wheeled drone, it was decided to abandon the tracked platform immediately. Firstly, it is more expensive to perform, and secondly, the drone is small and the tracks do not provide the desired effect."
I suspect the developers do not know about the existence of grass skis, for reference, in 1966, the German Joseph Kaiser invented the caterpillar ski. for skiing from the mountains in the summer they now arrange international competitions for the World Cup., in general, grass skis for "hedgehogs" can be bought ready-made, and the motor can be attached later ..

[tank64rus]

This is a repetition of the use of dogs during the Second World War to destroy tanks. Well, the guys decided to invest in the NWO.

[zenion]

But, nevertheless, the first drone was created in the Third Reich. Then, after the Reich, the self-propelled destroyer of ground equipment was created in France, but the shells are better!

[Sergei N 58912062]

Does our army need this "Hedgehog"? But won't this "Hedgehog" get lost in the fog while it gets to the target over rough terrain? Isn't it just another cut of budgetary funds, like the Dobrynya quadrocopter? Personally, I am skeptical about this idea.
I believe that in order to destroy enemy armored vehicles, and not only armored vehicles, our army needs a cheap analogue of the Polish Dragonfly kamikaze quadrocopter. With cumulative, high-explosive fragmentation and thermoboric warheads.

[Sergei N 58912062]

Ground-based drone for the destruction of enemy armored vehicles "Hedgehog" developed in Russia

It would be better if these guys were supported, and not all sorts of "Hedgehogs" would be developed.

[Ulan.1812]

All this is wonderful. Up to a fig of prototypes and nothing on the front end.
What does the military-technical commission do ... or whatever it is.

[_Valery_]

To me, that's some bullshit. During the battle, along the crossroads, when everyone is moving in different directions .... Xs ...

[Sergei N 58912062]

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