Head of the Crimean Parliament: One of the conditions for the completion of the NWO should be the transfer of Odessa under Russian control

Odessa should come under the control of Russia, this condition should be one of the main conditions for the completion of a special military operation, along with a complete unconditional victory over Ukraine on the battlefield. This statement was made by the head of the Crimean Parliament, Vladimir Konstantinov.

Odessa, following the results of a special operation in Ukraine, should come under Russian control or acquire a neutral status, this is a prerequisite for a peace treaty that will be signed in the future and always on Russian terms and with the complete destruction of the Ukrainian fascist and anti-Russian state.

Odessa must be under our control: have Russian status or neutral. The key is to be in control.

- leads RIA News Konstantinov's words.

Also, the Crimean politician stressed that there will be no peace without the destruction of the Nazi ideology, otherwise the West will continue to use Ukraine against Russia further. According to him, if the Nazi regime of Zelensky is not finished off, then a time bomb will be left that can work in the future and cannot be left for the next generations of Russians.

(...) any peace concluded without the complete destruction of the Ukrainian fascist, anti-Russian state as an instrument for the destruction of Russia (...) is a temporary phenomenon. (...) Leaving an enemy who is not bound by any moral obligations, an enemy professing Nazi ideology, we will plant a time bomb for the next generations of Russians

- added Konstantinov.

Thus, a peace agreement should be signed only on Russia's terms and after its complete victory on the battlefield, leaving the enemy no chance of revenge.

Comments

[dnestr74]

I hope the Moscow Region and the Kremlin have the same opinion ....

[Nikolay310]

Only need a referendum on joining the Russian Federation. No independent cities!

[Plate]

Well, the third option between "Remain part of Ukraine" and "Enter part of Russia" must be provided in order to reduce the likelihood of the first one winning. You can, of course, fake... but I would not fake the results, according to which the region wants to become independent. This is if the first option starts to win, then yes, it will be necessary to launch falsifications. And it is in favor of independence.
In an independent city, it will be possible to plant a de facto Russian administration, and in 5 years, when the example of other Ukrainian cities that have entered Russia, will be repeated. Here it will even be possible to falsify, since by that time the law enforcement agencies will not be so loaded that a city full of disloyal citizens becomes a problem.

[Plate]

A referendum is needed in order to determine how loyal the local population is. If it is loyal - take it, if it is disloyal - make a formally independent state.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nikolay310

Only need a referendum on joining the Russian Federation.

What if they refuse?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Mordvin 3

What if they refuse?

If they refuse, then they did not understand who burned them in the House of Trade Unions.

[fa2998]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Nikolay310

Only need a referendum on joining the Russian Federation.

What if they refuse?

Well, with our "selective technologies", the result will be 96% (or even 146%). Of course, it's good to dream. But we haven't moved away from Donetsk in a year yet. the language is much "conquer"

[Zamira]

Quote: fa2998

What the hell is Odessa?

And if there is no Odessa, then there was no point in starting all this at all.
Leave everything again halfway, like in the 14th? And then all over again?
No, you have to get at least as far as Lvov... And it's better to go further...

[sadam2]

Yesterday Dimon was going to reach Lvov. Today Konstantinov captured Odessa ...
is this a flash mob for devotion to the breadwinner?
Vova himself voiced yesterday to the Chinese - you give peace within today's borders and deal

[January]

Quote from Sadam2

Vova himself voiced yesterday to the Chinese - you give peace within today's borders and deal

Did he tell you himself or did you call Xi? Looks like the borders haven't been drawn yet...

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: fa2998

Only language is much more "conquer"

And they merge with their tongue and even more: the figure will endure everything.

[runway-1]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Nikolay310

Only need a referendum on joining the Russian Federation.

What if they refuse?

Apparently, some (especially zealous) local "liberators" do not care about such issues; they again enthusiastically share the skin of an unkilled raccoon ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Odessans will not refuse. They will sell their own mother, but they will not refuse the opportunity to earn money. Don't idealize them too much. Already on the tales of the "fraternal people" - burned themselves. Enough. You need to think soberly and rationally.

[gurzuf]

So you showed with your comment that thinking, soberly and reasonably, is not about you if you measure all Odessa citizens with the same brush.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

One size fits all Odessans, I don’t measure. But I look at things, anxious. When were you last in Odessa? Did you rent a room there for a week before SVO? )

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Nikolay310

Only need a referendum on joining the Russian Federation.

I don't think it will ever come to this...

Imagine the situation, the affairs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are bad - the front collapsed, what will Zelensky do? He will go to negotiations, and knowing ours, immediately after the consent of such negotiations, all progress will stop, and bidding / intrigues / deals will begin .... and we cannot avoid them. On the one hand, Europe/USA will put pressure, and on the other hand, our "allies" - Turkey/China/India will join in, who will also try to put us at the negotiating table.

As a result, the fate will be decided by the Kherson/Zaporozhye regions + DNR/LNR, + recognition of Crimea... but with Odessa it will hardly burn out) because. if the Kiev regime does not have the strength to fight, then they will stop at the best option for them (capitulations but with limited losses, then at home they will tell how they divorced us ... and how Europe helped them save a key port for the transit of European goods).

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Imagine the situation, the affairs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are bad - the front collapsed, what will Zelensky do? He will go to negotiations, and knowing ours, immediately after the consent of such negotiations, all progress will stop, and bidding / intrigues / deals will begin .... and we cannot avoid them. On the one hand, Europe/USA will put pressure, and on the other hand, our "allies" - Turkey/China/India will join in, who will also try to put us at the negotiating table.

And what prevents you from sitting down at the negotiating table demanding the transfer of the Odessa region under the jurisdiction of Russia, if, as you write, "the front has collapsed and the affairs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are bad"? In this situation, Russia's negotiating positions will be much stronger than those of banderlogs with mattresses. Moreover, our interest is also in the fact that Russia would have a land corridor with Transnistria.
If they don’t want to accept Russia’s conditions with Odessa interest, then they will only have to accept the option - the complete destruction of Ukraine as a state, which, in the face of the loss of initiative and the shabbiness of the forelocked army, will be very achievable.
We offered them (the mattresses) the best conditions in December 2021. If they had accepted them, then there would have been no SVO, and since it came to the "answer by military technical methods", now they have no one to blame but themselves. Again, the transfer of Odessa in favor of Russia should be perceived by them as the best option of the two possible.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Nyrobsky

our interest is also that Russia would have a land corridor with Transnistria.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Again, the transfer of Odessa in favor of Russia should be perceived by them as the best option of the two possible.

Romania needs to be included in the process and Poland.
Give Westernism to Poland - let them toil.
Feed part of Ukraine to Romania for agreeing that the entire coast of NovoOssia is Russian.
By the way, the export of Ukrainian grain is now possible through Romanian ports and will be possible.
Yes, and neither Russia nor Romania in the Black Sea did not foul with mines.

[MBRSS]

Romania needs to be included in the process and Poland.
Give Westernism to Poland - let them toil.
Part of Ukraine to feed Romania

Why is that? Did they shed blood for these territories? In addition, Poland is ready and eager to raise the flag of Russophobia when Ukraine drops it.

[Plate]

Quote: MBRBS

Why is that?

And so that we have accomplices from among the NATO countries.

[Zamira]

Quote: Plate

And so that we have accomplices from among the NATO countries.

Accomplices?
It sounds like "accomplices" ... It doesn't sound good, in general ...
And it would be okay if it only "sounded", but if such a "section" occurs, then this will already become a fact ...
In general, I would not mess with NATO about this ... Well, in no case ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Romania needs to be included in the process and Poland.
Give Westernism to Poland - let them toil.
Feed part of Ukraine to Romania for agreeing that the entire coast of NovoOssia is Russian.

Welcome
And why did you cheat Hungary? Between Romania and Poland, the Hungarian territorial interest also fits in exactly. The only thing is that these countries are members of the NATO bloc, and therefore, having returned the "disputed" historical lands under their control, they will automatically expand NATO's borders towards Russia exactly as much as their interest extends. Plus, they can add the remaining bit of Ukraine to NATO. Like it or not, but this alignment is not very beneficial for us either. Proceeding from this, at the negotiations it is necessary to pump over the topic of the transition of the Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions under the jurisdiction of Russia, and the entire rest of Ukraine should still remain Ukrainian, BUT, demilitarized and with a non-aligned status, performing the function of a buffer zone between NATO and Russia, preferably with extension of the same requirements to the territory of the Baltic States. That would be the thing. However, how it will all be decided, time will tell, and in the foreseeable future. We'll wait.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nyrobsky

and the rest of Ukraine should still remain Ukrainian, BUT, demilitarized and with a non-bloc status, acting as a buffer zone between NATO and Russia

With our military bases on these remnants. This is the only way to keep this land under control from nazification and militarization.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Welcome
And why did you cheat Hungary? Between Romania and Poland, the Hungarian territorial interest also fits in exactly. The only thing is that these countries are members of the NATO bloc, and therefore, having returned the "disputed" historical lands under their control, they will automatically expand NATO's borders towards Russia exactly as much as their interest extends. Plus, they can add the remaining bit of Ukraine to NATO. Like it or not, but this alignment is not very beneficial for us either. Based on this, at the negotiations it is necessary to pump over the topic of the transition of the Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions under the jurisdiction of Russia, and the entire rest of Ukraine should still remain Ukrainian, BUT, demilitarized and with a non-bloc status, performing the function of a buffer zone between NATO and Russia

Mutually.
The fact is that today these NATO members do not want to get involved directly.
Having swallowed up pieces of Ukraine, they will most likely prolong their reluctance, and even be forced to pay off Ukrainian debts with the rest of NATO and the EU members. Plus the restoration of seized territories. This is a wedge between the NATO countries and will slow down their military activity for a long time.
For the rest of Ukraine, any agreements will be meaningless, because. will certainly be violated. Quietly at first, then openly. Already tested.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

moreover, they will be forced to pay off the rest of the NATO and EU members for Ukrainian debts. Plus the restoration of seized territories.

Well, if we proceed from the fact that, in addition to the territories, they will receive an economic burden for many years to come, then maybe there is something in this.

[ABC-schutze]

In the Russian expert and political environment, in the context of the "final prospects" of the former united Ukraine, rather strange theses are often voiced, including in the broad Russian media...

So, one of the last "in execution", deputy and politician K. Zatulin ...

Like, "some part" of a certain "Ukraine", IN ANY CASE, "have to" be left. Foundations?...

And here they are, like "Ukraine", you see, "member of the UN". Or, even "not just" a member of the UN, but "one of the founders." Or, some other "world", you see, "does not recognize" the transfer of the entire territory of the former united Ukraine, upon completion of the NWO by achieving its goal and solving the main tasks, under the control of Russia ...

That is, according to such "experts", it turns out that Russia, one way or another, "will have to leave", the foothold, from which, permanently, a threat to its military (above all) security will emanate in this geostrategic direction. And on which the so-called. "the West", primarily in the guise of Uncle Sam and a relic of the Cold War - its NATO tobaccos, will consistently and continuously form and build up the potential to implement such a threat ...

To such "optimists", such as Zatulin, I would like to remind, in the context of what is being discussed, about an example FROM REAL LIFE ...

There are, comrades "experts", a UN DECISION, moreover, CONFIRMED by the relevant Security Council Resolution (which is binding, by the way) on the CREATION of a Palestinian STATE. MORE THAN HALF A CENTURY since this "decision" was made. So?.. Has this Palestinian "state" been created?.. Oh, "no"... Why?...

Yes, because Israel, WHO CREATED ITS OWN sovereign state, UNDERSTANDS PERFECTLY what a threat to its security and very existence, the emergence of such a Palestinian state would represent ...

And for this, EXACTLY BY THE POWER OF THIS reason, Tel Aviv has not yet allowed the creation of such a "state", AT ITS BORDERS. AND NEVER IN THE FUTURE, as long as Israel exists, WILL ALLOW...

For this, the MAXIMUM that Palestinians of all political and religious "colors" who dream of "statehood" can count on is the CURRENT status of "autonomy". AND NOT MORE...

Autonomy, which has a "power" potential, not higher than the "military-police", to solve the problems of ensuring internal security and maintaining public order. And NO potential, for an INDEPENDENT solution by autonomy, of certain tasks of a defense-military nature ... I.e. NO MILITARY potential...

AND ANY ATTEMPTS and EFFORT aimed at creating and building up such a potential on the territory of the Palestinian Autonomy, Tel Aviv, IMMEDIATELY and DEFINITELY suppresses, so to speak "without prior notice" ... Those. inflicts, either "point" or massive, missile and bomb strikes on the territory of the autonomy ...

So, if one of the politicians of Russia, upon completion of the NWO by achieving its goal and solving its main tasks, is "impatient" for one reason or another, to preserve some kind of stub of the territory of the former united Ukraine, on which "power" will be preserved some indistinct "independent" or "European-minded", potential Bandero-Natsiks, then the state STATUS of this piece of territory should not be ABOVE the status of the current Palestinian Authority. And such should be its "power" potential ...

And ANY ATTEMPT to somehow "raise" the latter, Moscow will have to stop IMMEDIATELY and DEFINITELY. EXACTLY the same as THAT Tel Aviv is doing TODAY...

For THIS IS OBJECTIVELY REQUIRED by the conditions of LONG-TERM NATIONAL AND MILITARY SECURITY of Russia...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: ABC-schütze

Like, "some part" of a certain "Ukraine", IN ANY CASE, "have to" be left. Foundations?...

And here they are, like "Ukraine", you see, "member of the UN". Or, even "not just" a member of the UN, but "one of the founders." Or, some other "world", you see, "does not recognize" the transfer of the entire territory of the former united Ukraine, upon completion of the NWO by achieving its goal and solving the main tasks, under the control of Russia ...

I will add. Ukraine became a member of the UN at the insistence of the USSR, whose successor is Russia, and despite the fact that it was part of the USSR.

[opposite28]

Moreover, our interest is also in the fact that Russia would have a land corridor with Transnistria.

More precisely, the corridor of Pridnestrovie with the Russian Federation, and more precisely, the exit of Pridnestrovian businessmen under the pretext of patriotism of the Russian world and the Russian idea to the opportunities lost by "ours" in 1992. All of them there in Transnistria love Russia... they love it very much. For example, in Transnistria, the number of Lexus cars (crossovers and business class sedans) has not decreased over the past few years, but has increased by turnover, while in neighboring countries the economic crisis is forcing the population to lead a more modest lifestyle. Shadowy Switzerland...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: oppozite28

more precisely, the corridor of Pridnestrovie with the Russian Federation, and more precisely, the exit of Pridnestrovian businessmen under the pretext of patriotism of the Russian world and the Russian idea to the opportunities lost by "ours" in 1992. All of them there in Transnistria love Russia... they love it very much. For example, in Transnistria, the number of Lexus cars (crossovers and business class sedans) has not decreased over the past few years, but has increased by turnover, while in neighboring countries the economic crisis is forcing the population to lead a more modest lifestyle. Shadowy Switzerland...

The economic upheavals of the PPR in this case are secondary, we need open access to the contingent of our peacekeepers and arsenals, otherwise this problem will be a constant target for provocations from the West and an eternal headache for Russia. Something like this

[ABC-schutze]

The answer is simple and objective...

The aforementioned "neighboring" countries, as they say, are "European" oriented. That is, OBJECTIVELY, they are the SIXES of the so-called "West". UNPARALLED, even BEFORE their potential "admission" to this very "West" ... AND OBLIGED, by DEFINITION, EVERYTHING is the so-called "post-Soviet" heritage, primarily in the field of socio-economic DESTROY ...

And Transnistria is oriented towards Russia. And Russia is not forcing anyone to destroy a CAPABLE and POSSIBLE POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT economy. And tons of potential allies or candidates for joining it does not force ...

Behind this, it’s not about Lexuses at all ... But about the ROLE that their owners, in the future, "allies" or allies assign ...

[MBRSS]

And what prevents to sit down at the negotiating table with the demand for the transfer of the Odessa region under the jurisdiction of Russia ...

I dare to suggest that the irresistible desire of the Supreme to make friends with the West in a new way will interfere. Therefore, he will set the most modest conditions. Unfortunately.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: MBRBS

I dare to guess what's wrong irresistible desire of the Supreme to make friends with the West in a new way. Therefore, he will set the most modest conditions. Sorry.

For what? Well, the train has left. The West missed its historical chance to build a single economic space from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and in the short term, in strategic and economic terms, it is no more interesting than Zimbabwe.
The Supreme has made friends with the East, which gives much more prospects and opportunities. Fortunately.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Nyrobsky

And what prevents you from sitting at the negotiating table demanding the transfer of the Odessa region under the jurisdiction of Russia, if, as you write, "the front has collapsed and the affairs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are bad"?

Realities .... let's say we put forward such demands in the negotiations, but what are the grounds? We will be told there is a UN charter, the territorial integrity of countries, etc. in Crimea/DNR/LNR/Zaporozhye/Kherson region even though there were referendums, you can try to press on the precedent from Kosovo and the right of the people to self-determination (and you will have to try hard to fit everything under UN rules), because the whole world will put pressure on us and our "allies" have leverage) the same example: Grain deal.

Therefore, the entry of Odessa into the Russian Federation at the moment is a fantasy ... and in order for it to become a reality, you will have to do a lot and discard all games / agreements (including with Turkey / China), etc. and it’s not clear whether something will burn out, that’s the question .... Odessa is a strategic port not only for Ukraine, but also for Europe, and they won’t give it up just like that, they see that we have a chance to return the city, so immediately the hands will be bind.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Aleksandr21

Realities .... let's say we put forward such demands in the negotiations, but what are the grounds? We will be told there is a UN charter, the territorial integrity of countries, etc.

A little lower you yourself answered your own question - "Kosovo precedent". Mattresses used the "right of the strong" without bothering with the requirements of international law and without looking back at the UN.
I proceeded from the "conditions of the task" that you yourself formulated in your first comment - "Everything is bad with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the front has collapsed", which already implies that Russia will start negotiations from much stronger positions than Zelensky and his curators.

Quote: Aleksandr21

after all, the whole world will put pressure on us and our "allies" have leverage) the same example: Grain deal.

What about the Grain Deal? There is still a big question in whose hands this lever of pressure is located. If Russia's decision to extend the deal for 60 days, instead of 120 days, caused hysteria in the West and Ukraine and disappointed UN chief punk Guterres, then most likely this is our tool. I believe that these 60 days were also limited by the period of the presidential elections in Turkey, so to speak, in support of Erdogan. After the election, it will be stopped.

Quote: Aleksandr21

Therefore, the entry of Odessa into the Russian Federation at the moment is fantastic.

At the moment yes. The conditions for the inclusion of new regions in Russia have not yet been created and everything will be decided in the near future during the spring-summer military campaign.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Nyrobsky, let me remind you that if you demand the transfer of the Odessa region, then only together with the Nikolaev region. Otherwise, without a land corridor, this is a suitcase without a handle. And the main thing is to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea. This is the most important moment. And once again, let me repeat to everyone on the site: do not idealize Odessa. In general, normal people, but traders. Money comes first for them. Enough of the utopian idea of ​​"fraternal people" for us. All nations are different. Each nation has its own views and its desire to make money on other people. Any cooperation between nations (states) should be mutually beneficial.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Nyrobsky, remind youthat if you demand the transfer of the Odessa region, then only together with the Nikolaev region. Otherwise, without a land corridor, this is a suitcase without a handle. And the main thing is to cut off Ukraine from the Black Sea. This is the most important moment.

Yes, as a matter of fact, Andrey Nikolayevich, I don’t need to be reminded of this, since I fully share this thesis, which I wrote about in my first comment

Based on this, at the negotiations it is necessary to pump over the topic of the transition of the Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions under the jurisdiction of Russia

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

And once again, let me repeat to everyone on the site: do not idealize Odessa. In general, normal people, but traders. Money comes first for them. Enough of the utopian idea of ​​"fraternal people" for us. All nations are different. Each nation has its own views and its desire to make money on other people.

And in this case, I completely agree with you, because for 30 years of independence, the people living in these territories have been thoroughly brainwashed and no anti-propaganda can fix this in 2-3 years. The best remedy in this case will be a real improvement in the situation of the population within Russia, both in the material and social spheres. If everything gets worse or stays at the same level, then there will be no sense.

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Any cooperation between peoples (states) must be mutually beneficial.

Definitely.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Dear Nyrobsky, I'm sorry. Didn't read your comment carefully. But with your answer, in terms of propaganda and brainwashing, I completely agree. You and I think the same way. Add: Do you remember how it all began? For a year in 1992, he came for vacation and at a table with friends, laughed at the new textbooks on the history of Ukraine. And now they are looking at me like a wolf. Americans perfectly brainwashed Ukrainians. Fortunately, not everyone. 10 percent - remained sane.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Dear Nyrobsky, I'm sorry. Didn't read your comment carefully. But with your answer, in terms of propaganda and brainwashing, I completely agree. You and I think the same way. Add: Do you remember how it all began? For a year in 1992, he came for vacation and at a table with friends, laughed at the new textbooks on the history of Ukraine. And now they are looking at me like a wolf. Americans perfectly brainwashed Ukrainians. Fortunately, not everyone. 10 percent - remained sane.

I graduated from the Ordzhonikidze VVKKU named after S.M. Kirov in 1988. Distributed throughout the USSR. Some also ended up in the independent, finishing the service until retirement. Tellingly, one of the natives of Mordovia, immediately after the Crimean events, said that he actively supported the Maidanists, dragged food and money to them, and generally declared us enemies, excluded us from friends and promised to fight with us. At the same time, all his relatives lived in Mordovia. How to understand it? Since 2014, his traces have been completely lost and he may have drawn his bullet in the fight against us. Another example is that a purebred native and resident of Kharkov communicated quite adequately until the very beginning of the SVO, and on February 23, 2022, we congratulated him on the holiday of the SA and the Navy. He invited me to Kharkov to see the city and convinced me that the attitude towards the Russians was exceptionally good. I promised him to consider the invitation for the upcoming summer, more positively than negatively, but the day after the conversation happened on February 24th. Knowing that they were on a witch hunt and that at any moment he could be stopped and his phone checked for ties with Russia, he did not call him again. Here are two people and two very different approaches. The first native of Russia and his relatives live right there, and the second is a born Ukrainian. After the start of the b / actions, the second one also disappeared from communication, which is quite understandable, but the first one then snapped back in 2014 and promised to shoot at us. We were all in the same platoon.

[gurzuf]

If "the front collapsed and the affairs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are bad," then what prevents the GDP from referring to Zelensky's decree banning negotiations with the Russian Federation and holding a referendum in Nikolaev, Odessa and other territories?

[MBRSS]

I don't think it will ever come to this...

I also think so:((((But Odessa SHOULD be taken. And for the surrender of Kherson, deprive someone of shoulder straps and pensions, if not cooler.

[Fizik13]

Quote: dnestr74

I hope the Moscow Region and the Kremlin have the same opinion ....

NO!
ALL UKRAINE SHOULD GO UNDER THE CONTROL OF RUSSIA!
And then Russia itself will determine where the Russian territories will be, and where the PROTECRORATE of the Russian Federation will be!
And there shouldn't be any West there at all!!!

[vbi007]

Under control, not under feeding ... It is necessary to recognize the mistakes of Bolshevism in dividing the territory of the Russian Empire along national lines and, first of all, to renounce the fantasies of the birth of the nationality "Ukrainians". What this led to, we see clearly. It is probably not worth guessing about the results of the voting of Odessa citizens. We need Nikolaev, Odessa, we need to cut off territory 404 from the Black Sea, we need a land corridor to Poland. The rest is from the evil one.

[MBRSS]

Only a referendum on joining the Russian Federation is needed

It goes without saying. Odessa with a high degree of probability will vote for the Russian Federation. Industrial Zaporozhye and Krivoy Rog as well. But the Kharkov we need is questionable, unfortunately. Dnepropetrovsk too. Kyiv has turned into a viper in general. Ukrainian Cherkassy is even more tolerant of Russia.

[Zamira]

Quote: MBRBS

But the Kharkov we need is questionable, unfortunately. Dnepropetrovsk too. Kyiv has turned into a viper in general.

Well, to hell in this case, these referendums?
Was it in the 45th in Germany who held a thread of referendums? No! It was the Germans who were lucky that Stalin was against depriving the Germans of the state, otherwise they would now be some kind of "Kem volost"

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Zamira

Was it in the 45th in Germany who held a thread of referendums? No! It was lucky for the Germans that Stalin was against depriving the Germans of the state,

Stalin did not decide this alone.
"Realized for three" (sorry for the jargon!) in advance, in Yalta.

[Zamira]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Stalin did not decide this alone.
"Realized for three" (sorry for the jargon!) in advance, in Yalta.

I didn't say "alone".
I said that he was "against", and yet one of his "against" outweighed the other two "pros". :)
(And yes - "to think for three" with Stalin - it was ... - well, such a "consideration" ...:) - and in every sense.)

And after all, nobody held referendums, right?
What kind of referendums can be discussed in the Nazi state?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

MBRShB, Kyiv is already Lvov2. For 30 years, the city was filled with Zapadensky ragulia. This is already a city in western Ukraine. Believe me. Been there often.

[Zamira]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

For 30 years, the city was filled with Zapadensky ragulia. This is already a city in western Ukraine. Believe me

I believe... And I don't even need witnesses. And so it is clear that the process of "filling" was simply inevitable.
And even more so, even the semblance of any kind of referendum should not be allowed.
(Who should I ask? The Nazis?)
They will not need referendums, but the toughest purges.

[ABC-schutze]

So, after all, the head of the Crimean parliament said quite clearly - "Transition under RUSSIAN control" ... Some kind of, in this case, "independent" (or so-called "free", following the example of the pre-war Danzig or Memel) city can be ?..

[AAK]

The only question is when they will make such a decision and begin to implement it practically ... judging by the past year, the NWO command has learned almost nothing ... first, the lack of proper and comprehensive preparation for the NWO, then rash actions that led to chaos and forced "relocations ", then positional trampling and frontal "grinding" in separate sections ... in general, the tops could not do anything, and the bottoms are still in deep thought ...

[ugos]

The Kremlin has a problem how to save the Crimea, and then think about Odessa.

[ABC-schutze]

First, you need to think not "later", but in advance ...

Secondly, as far as Crimea is concerned, the problem is just the opposite. And not in Russia at all ...

"How" to "take away" the Russian Crimea from Russia. And "who" will be "able" to do this ...

As the past 10 years have shown, there is only one objective answer to the above question - NO ...

[boris ivanov]

Entirely, and fully support Konstantinov!
I have nothing to add.

[NDR-791]

Quote: boris ivanov

Entirely, and fully support Konstantinov!
I have nothing to add.

And I have something to add!
Is Konstantinov already in the trenches, even as a political officer? The fact that everything must be taken before Romania is already known to everyone, but it looks like our couch tryndez. Only we (couch) spend electricity for a computer, and this meeting of the "high contracting parties" did not cost a lot of money. If you don’t want or can’t go to the front yourself, then don’t give a damn and PR

[dmi.pris1]

As such, a state like Ukraine should not be in sight. Odessa is just an important city with a region. But no more

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Odessa is just an important city with a region. But no more

More.
Odessa is also a hero city.
In Russia (unlike Ukraine), no one has forgotten about it.

[guest]

I agree, the only pity is that he has no influence on the Supreme.

[Silver99]

No "or", only a Russian city without any neutral status, a naval base of the Russian Navy will be located there to control the mouth of the Danube and the Turkish straits. The Black Sea region is the main goal of the NWO, without it, Ukraine loses its attractiveness to the West.

[kromer]

Quote from Silver99

No "or", only a Russian city without any neutral statuses

Totally agree with you. A multi-million horde of refugees who are now temporarily in Europe will immediately arrive in regions with a neutral status. And their beliefs are known to all. After their arrival in their homeland, it will not be difficult for the Americans to make another Maidan. And then back to 2014 everything will be back in these neutral territories.

[Zamira]

Quote from Silver99

The Black Sea is the main goal of the SVO, without it, and Ukraine loses its attractiveness to the West.

Exactly!!!!

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

There is no need for Ukrainians to go to the sea, they can only litter the water area with mines.

[guest]

Well, they can also launch all sorts of drones from there to attack the Crimea.

[kakvastam]

Ukrainian "Deripaskas" work for Ukraine, Russian ones, apparently, too.
The population lives a normal peaceful life. Athletes, depicted as heroes and heroes, roll their balls or play with other toys.
No mobilization at any level.
What kind of Odessa is there ...

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

So the "Russian Deripaskas" told you how much they dump into "Wagner" with bitcoins. Not by choice, but still.

[NDR-791]

Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.

So the "Russian Deripaskas" told you how much they dump into "Wagner" with bitcoins. Not by choice, but still.

Proof, please, with documents. So far I see only Abramovich and then as a resentment from the 404th, well, Chubais, who, with a bare ass, went to airfields with golden parachutes to cook for our nobility

[NDR-791]

Quote: kakvastam

Athletes, depicted as heroes and heroes, roll their balls or play with other toys.

You wanted to say - "They sit in the Duma and act in a recamme?" Don't be afraid to speak openly. They will not decrease, the Motherland will not increase from them.

[terms]

It is logical that the Bandera star brotherhood should be pushed as far as possible to the west, so that they physically do not have enough resources to kick. Ideally, the border should be at least from Transnistria through Rivne to Belarus. And it’s better to pack them in general in Galicia, let them jump there.

[Hermit]

And also the Suwalki corridor in exchange for the Polish city of Lviv, equal in area

[VasyaRules]

With such a speed at the front, it's somehow too early to say such a thing.

[Old_geologist]

Quote: boris ivanov

I have nothing to add.

And I have, it is necessary to liberate the Nikolaev region as well.

[Vlad Gor]

Again exclamations to share, to set conditions do not stop. What to share? What did the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation come to a year later. We went forward, we came back, it turned out to be round ....... The authorities do not need victory and do not need defeat, they need a process that allows the capitalists to make money and keep the people in check.

[Oleg Ogorod]

And all Odessa residents should be resettled in the fertile and hospitable Birobidzhan.
But first you need to return Kherson.

[Asad]

I think that the inhabitants of Odessa will be against it, and the fate of Mariupol awaits Odessa.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Everything marine must be taken away, otherwise they will spoil. It is a fact.
Ideally, all nuclear power plants (or remove the rods and damage an already safe plant so that it cannot be repaired, then those that are in the Western region can not be considered).
HPS too.
In the end, let it also be beneficial to the country.

[Mordvin 3]

I read the biography of this man. It seems so, populist, keeps his nose to the wind.

[Sofievka]

From the Party of Regions to United Russia, and by the way, all the Regions remained in their places in 2014. Konstantinov is "Consol", the largest "developer" of Crimea, even in Nikitsky Garden he bit off a piece of land by the sea

[VladimirNET]

Quote: dnestr74

Odessa should pass under the control of Russia

To speak correctly - should not, but must.
And the main condition (including the end of the NWO) is the transfer of ALL Ukraine under the control of Russia (or rather, joining it).
And about the truce - there is no one to conclude a truce with,
and the truth - "pink elephants" in the minds of "the people at the top."

As for Odessa, well, at least in the Russian Federation they understand this:
because the main condition of the West (and the USA) is that Odessa does not become ours, because for the war with Russia they NEED access to the Black Sea.

[Asad]

There is Bulgaria, Romania, Georgia, everyone will be happy to meet the US Navy.

[Leshak]

There is a saying: "His words to God's ears." I hope everything will be as Konstantinov said.

[Chimp]

You return at least those territories that are ours by referendum.

[ishinmaikl]

Usually statements are louder the worse the situation..
Apparently, under these uplifting speeches of officials, it’s more fun to dig trenches and build fortifications in the Crimea

[vovochkarzhevsky]

One of the twenty-seven conditions. There can be no other options.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

There is not and cannot be any neutral status for Odessa: it is a city drenched in Russian blood. Secondly: only the physical cut-off for Nazi Ukraine from access to the sea will ensure security for future generations of Russian citizens. The entire right bank is also ours.

[Hermit]

It is necessary to cut an independent one, like a gangie, with a margin to the Polish border, a piece will remain - there will be even more problems

[Cronus]

Of all the cities of Ukraine and the DPR, the LPR likes Odessa more. I hope we will take it without destroying the city, it is painfully beautiful, but as another question.

[syabroleonid]

If you are planning a war to destroy the army of Ukraine, then how to enter peace negotiations, grain deals and so on? So there is no such goal, otherwise it is already necessary to introduce martial law.

[mark1]

Odessa should pass under the control of Russia

You have to take it, it won't go by itself...
Now they will urgently accept the remaining territories in the European Union under any name (they will not be in NATO) and with a loud cry, they will hold on to them, for many of our partners this is an insurmountable obstacle.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: mark1

Odessa should pass under the control of Russia

You have to take it, it won't go by itself....

Take Odessa together with the Odessa region, respectively, and the Nikolaev region.
The world will be - after the Victory!

[Egor53]

There should be no state "Ukraine". Such a state can only be Nazi. The Supreme Commander set the task of demilitarizing and denazifying not only the Kyiv regime, but the whole of Ukraine. Until Kyiv is liberated, the war will not end.

[1erWahrheitsMinister_1984]

Falls es nicht bereits soweit ist, wird sich auch in Moskau
zwangsläufig die unbestreitbare Tatsache durchsetzen, dass
diese "Sonderoperation" nur dann erfolgreich sein kann, wenn
das gesamte Territorium der heutigen Ukraine bis an die Grenze
zu Polen von der US-infizierten Krankheit ukrainischer Nazis
befreit wurde...!

Deswegen hat es auch keinen Sinn einen Friedensvertrag, oder
ähnliches zu schließen, da Russland das gesamte Gebiet der
heutigen Ukraine als Pufferzone benötigt, um allen noch kommenden
Intrigen rechtzeitig den politischen Hals umzudrehen, bevor es jemals
wieder zu einem Angriff auf russisches Territorium kommen kann...!!!

[Andrey Stavropolsky]

He did not say anything about the source of fascism. If this source is preserved, there are no guarantees against the emergence of this ideology anywhere.

[MBRSS]

I would also add Kharkiv here, without fail. Ideally, to the Dnieper + Kherson + Odessa. And the demilitarization of the entire right bank, the creation of a buffer zone.

[bombaher]

It remains very little - to win unconditionally, yes, the author?

[Vlad_Gromov]

You must first liberate the entire Donbass, including Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, force the Dnieper and liberate new territories, including Kherson and Zaporozhye, and only then think about Odessa! Always set realistic goals!

[Mint Gingerbread]

It is clear that without control of the entire coast, there can be no question of any completion, at least I hope so.

[Rosemary]

Oh, the favorite topic of VO commentators is what status a piece of the skin of an unkilled bear should have.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Rosemary

Oh, the favorite topic of VO commentators is what status a piece of the skin of an unkilled bear should have.

There is no talk of shreds of bear skin.
The parts of the boar carcass are discussed.

[Paldiski]

Only to the end, otherwise we ourselves, for the future, will lay a mine!

[sdivt]

Quote: MBRBS

Odessa with a high degree of probability will vote for the Russian Federation. Industrial Zaporozhye and Krivoy Rog also

Those who wanted to vote for Russia have shed their blood since 2014. Lugansk, Donetsk. Who prevented Odessa or Zaporozhye from following their path? Still, there is a difference, either two regions raised their heads, or four. And this was in those years when every second person was pro-Russian.
But no, they sat silently.
Now, after a year of hostilities, we have much less support there. For various reasons, but - it is.
So, they will vote for Russia, except perhaps when Russia completely enters the region. Not earlier

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from sdivt

Who prevented Odessa or Zaporozhye from following their path? Still, there is a difference, either two regions raised their heads, or four. And this was in those years when every second person was pro-Russian.
But no, they sat silently.

If it were silent.
Kharkiv already finished a referendum, Russia crushed.

[Hermit]

Odessa and LDNR are two big differences - LDNR still has Russia behind its back, this gave them hope, strength. And on the rest of the outskirts, the people have been so rotten that they themselves no longer understand what they are saying, because their white is gray, and black is white.

[Fangaro]

Odessa should come under the control of Russia, this condition should be one of the main conditions for the completion of a special military operation, along with a complete unconditional victory over Ukraine on the battlefield. This statement was made by the head of the Crimean Parliament, Vladimir Konstantinov.

Elections soon?
Or has the formation of a unit from among the parliamentarians begun?

[Bioorganism]

I think it's not enough. I should have said that before Washington.
Why pity them? Talk like that to the fullest. Say that with the fall of Washington!

[constructor_sidorov]

Then Ochakov should move into such a status.

[flyer]

The Ukrainian government does not give up anything just like that and, as we see, does not make gestures of goodwill even for a small territory, and given the Odessa mentality, which can get along under any government, the Odessans are the last thing they want to change anything now.

[Pravodel]

... should be the transition of Odessa under Russian control

Without Odessa - mom, no Rostov - dad.
Odessa should return to Russia