Russian forces launched a decisive assault on Artyomovsk

Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" are attacking the center of Artemovsk from three directions - southern, eastern and northern. It looks like Russian forces have launched a decisive assault on Artemovsk (or Bakhmut, as it is called in Ukraine).

This is reported by both Russian and Ukrainian sources.

The offensive was preceded by intensive artillery preparation, which lasted more than a day. Today, the Wagnerites, having pulled up reserves, began to attack enemy positions with large forces. It is reported that in the northern direction there is a clash in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe Copper Barrel cafe. This means that Wagner is moving forward at a good pace, completely occupying the city's industrial zone.

The most intense fighting is observed in the area of ​​the central market, as well as on Bazarnaya and Nezalezhnosti streets.

Ukrainian military experts report that the situation on the fronts is not developing in the best way for the Kyiv security forces, and they assess the situation in Artemovsk as the most difficult.

North of Avdiivka, Russian troops continue to advance in the area of ​​Novobakhmutovka, which is already controlled by our forces. The village of Kamenka, located to the northeast of the city, was also under the full control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

In the Zaporozhye region in the Orekhov region, the Russian army thwarted an attempt by the Ukrainian counterattack, striking at enemy positions, as well as its military equipment and ammunition depots. As a result, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost about a hundred servicemen.

Comments

[Gnefredov]

For good will, grain deals and Medvedchuks???

Did the first persons of the state report this to you firsthand? If you didn’t report, why fantasize? If you fantasize, then at least attribute: "The stated opinion is my fiction" - it will look more like the truth

[Argon]

Do not pay attention to the staff of Ukrainian propaganda (TsIPSO). They just so gently press on the thin. They look for problems in our side and bring them to the right place!

[Rumata]

Website comment problem. TsIPSOshniks minus, but they are not visible. (((You can’t even give them an answer in the face.
In this regard, Discus is a hundred times cooler. There you can immediately see the answers to the comments and you can discuss with your opponent. See, for example, Antifascist.com

[nickname7]

Don't Pay Attention to Ukrainian Propaganda Workers

What's with the cisso? Tsipso is spreading lies, and this commentator wrote the truth in 14, after Bandera, led by Yarosh, Turchinov, seized power in the Criminal Code, they declared war on the Russian Federation and began beating, burning, pro-Russian forces. That's when it was time in the style of February 24 to send troops and surround Kyiv to disperse the Maidan and return the legitimate President Yanukovych. But GDP leaked the Russian spring.
Having received no support, the pro-Russian forces were repressed, some fled, some went over to the side of Bandera, and the patriots in the Russian Federation itself were demoralized, some waved their hands, some drank themselves.
The GDP gave 8 years to the saloreikh who declared war to train, arm, the army, strengthen the ideology and spirit, prepare the mobile reserve, integrate into NATO structures, build an echolonized defense.
In itself, it is nonsense to give time to strengthen the country that declared war on you. Because the GDP went over to the side of the oligarchs, protecting yachts and estates, and betrayed the state interests of Russia.
And now the SVO will last for 5 years, the victims on both sides, both soldiers and civilians, will be in the millions, cities will be erased. This is what the betrayal of the interests of the Russian Federation led to.

[aglet]

"Therefore, GDP went over to the side of the oligarchs, protecting yachts and estates, and betrayed the state interests of Russia"
why did you switch? he would always be there, and now he is there. Russia is a capitalist country without an ideology, who likes it or doesn't like it

[Sergei Fonov]

Really Strange Military Operation. People are dying in battles, and when you listen to TV, it turns out that our partners and colleagues supply weapons to Ukraine, it seems that there are no enemies, but there is a NVO, can we start calling everything by its proper name?

[aglet]

"And now the SVO will last for 5 years"
Yes, you are a fierce optimist, my friend

[Leontrotsky]

And in 14, Russia could have digested the sanctions that it digested at 22? Or would it fall back to 90 in terms of inflation and living standards? They are not dumber than you at the top. And they know much better the situation in the economy and calculate what the enemy can do.

[Ten Canarias_2]

It's all right. The head of the club has not been working for Russia for a long time.

[nickname7]

Firsthand, the first persons of the state reported to you

Were you in a freeze? VO wrote about the grain deal on the news.

[Gnefredov]

VO wrote about the grain deal on the news.

So what? A lot of people wrote about it, writes and will write more. But no matter how much you write and discuss, the writers still do not know all the causal relationships. Even if you agree that this deal is unprofitable right here and now, you do not know the true subject of the bargain or the goal that must be achieved in exchange for this deal. Therefore, it is necessary to be extremely careful, accurate in assessing the events that are taking place and not to sink to the level of a "labeler" or take a fiercely uncompromising position.

Were you in a freeze?

No, as you can see

[begemot20091]

the cissor is obvious. we would have calculated a long time ago. guys are doing it right now. The "article" for such nonsense is good. And if the operatives of this direction will be paid for these "storytellers" .... But in general, you need to post their coordinates. Ours are handcuffs, sharovarniki - a rocket into the house where he lives. The Israelis are not shy and the whole world is not offended. on them

[igorbrsv]

If I had been hired as a volunteer in June, I would have died for Kyiv to become Russian. What has changed now? Never mind. I would not go for someone, for the Motherland. True, I was not born in the Russian Federation, but in the USSR. If he would have remained alive, we will eventually figure it out inside. I'm going to ask again next week.
"sofa security".
Am I to blame?

[4ekist]

igorbrsv
If I was hired as a volunteer in June.......

Out of 15 applicants from our work, they took only one - office. reserve, helicopter technician.

[esl462]

They took it according to the VUS or so, into the "infantry"

[Sergei_Bely]

And we have more than 15 mobilization calls from work. At the same time, they are welders, workers and engineers. They had such an attitude towards the army that they served in the army for a year. With whom I managed to talk, no one even shot at the shooting. They were mainly engaged in painting work, making edgings in the snow, etc.
What's the point of them?
At the same time, those who fought in the second Chechen war and have shell shock are not taken. Here explain in what logic? At the same time, the men went more than once, but they were refused.

[stankow]

They did not mobilize a shell-shocked person, already once. And do not find the logic!? And if they mobilized, did they find a lie?

[Rumata]

If I were taken in June as a volunteer

If I had money, I would leave half to the family, and for the second I would buy a cooler jeepyaru, a dozen UAVs, a supply of food, and I would go to the Donbass regardless of age, and there I would settle down somewhere.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Rumata

cool jeepyaru,

UAZ, right?

[Konnick]

UAZ, right?

He also wrote "harder". As I understand it, like Gelendvagen lyams for 20 and 20 million families. When there is no money, it is very easy to scatter it ...

[Rumata]

Konnick
When there is no money, it is very easy to scatter it ...

Sergey Puskepalis. Earth rest in peace and bright memory.
I've made a lot of money in my life and lost a lot. Easily.
Z.Y. scatter.

[aglet]

"I would buy a cooler Jeepyaru"
Well, yes, it’s impossible to fight without a jeep. sorry, only a couple of port wine left

[Orange Bigg]

In the Zaporozhye region in the Orekhov region, the Russian army thwarted an attempt by the Ukrainian counterattack, striking at enemy positions, as well as its military equipment and ammunition depots. As a result, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost about a hundred servicemen.

Frustrated offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Polozhsko-Orekhovsky direction.

On March 23-24, in the Zaporozhye direction, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine planned to launch a counteroffensive. According to the enemy's plan, the main blow was to fall on the Orekhovsky sector: a strike force was created in the city up to a reinforced battalion tactical group.
According to @ZSU_Hunter_2_0, the command of the 58th combined-arms army of the RF Armed Forces decided to inflict massive fire damage on exposed enemy positions and warehouses. The offensive was thwarted before it even started.
From 21.00 to midnight on March 22, hotels and schools were hit in the city, which were used to accommodate personnel of both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the recently formed assault brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine "Chervona Kalina" - in total, more than 20 targets were covered. Several ammunition depots were disabled , artillery shells, ATGMs, equipment parking.
Estimated losses of the enemy reach half a thousand people killed and wounded. The Internet was turned off in the city to prevent information leaks. The wounded are being taken out through Zaliznichnoe towards Hulyaipol, writes the Rybar Telegram channel.

https://odnarodyna.org/article/yuzhnyy-front-nastuplenie-vsu-zakonchilos-ne-nachavshis

[Grits]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Frustrated offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Polozhsko-Orekhovsky direction.

This is the case when intelligence works great. It would be like that everywhere.

[Monarchist]

Thanks for the detailed summary and good news!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Nikolay310

..if at 41 in hopeless assaults and encirclements, the guys understood why they were dying ... now for what?

Still don't know why?
The Supreme One chewed it for you and put it in your mouth, but you still can’t swallow it.
Who started the Maidan on the outskirts? For what purpose? The goal was not only to tear off the Outskirts from Russia, but also to play off in a fratricidal war. Why did they kindle the language question, which had never been before? In order to kindle national consciousness and make it the most important issue.
And the mattresses succeeded. And if you think that if we had not struck a year ago, then nothing would have happened, then you are deeply mistaken. Mattress makers started all this not for peace, but for war. And the question is not when the outskirts would strike, the question is that it would definitely strike. And to the Donbass and the Crimea.
The Supreme Commander told you in Russian - "If a fight is inevitable, strike first."

[Maz]

Why is the title of the article " Russian forces launched a decisive assault on Artemovsk, ", and not PMC WAGNER launched a decisive assault on Artemovsk ???? honestly ashamed of the one who titled the article. Here is an interesting trend among our journalists and the media ....
request from RIA "New Day" and the answer:
Hello, Evgeny Viktorovich. Yesterday, a frame from an RT film about former prisoners participating in the SVO was published on the Telegram channel of your press service. We carefully watched the film and did not notice any mention of PMC "Wagner" there. Can you explain where this snippet came from?

Evgeny Prigogine's commentary:
“RT, before publishing the film, gave it to us to watch. The original of this film has certain differences from what the audience saw.
Namely, the fact that in the first half of the film everything about Wagner PMC was removed as much as possible. Why did this happen? Any war falls into the history of the state, and the task of the authorities today is to leave in history for future generations not only that ordinary Russian peasants, including those from the zones, won battles in this war. The task of the authorities is to convince everyone that it was done by pomaded generals and ladies-generals, clicking manicured fingers on the mahogany in their offices. Therefore, the word PMC "Wagner" is carefully removed, glossed over. And, if you paid attention, on the main television channels, instead of the word Wagner PMC, they always talk about some mythical attack aircraft in multicams, in which skulls sometimes slip through on bulletproof vests, and sometimes it’s just a smeared speck, like genitals in a movie about a bathhouse. I do not rule out that in the next episode of the film it will turn out that this is not a war at all, but a handsome man moving soldiers on a polished table, sitting in a white leather chair. for the media, this is vile, shameless and disgusting

[Plate]

Quote: Maz

Why is the title of the article "Russian forces launched a decisive assault on Artemovsk," and not PMC WAGNER launched a decisive assault on Artemovsk ????

And Wagner is not Russian forces? Whose then? Ukrainian, Polish, Belarusian, Chinese? This is the exact claim I don't understand. The title, in fact, never lied.

[nickname7]

And Wagner is not Russian forces? Whose then

These are Russian forces, but based on other principles, there is no stepping in Wagner, there is no building square snowdrifts and stuffing edgings, they only fight there.
Therefore, when the participation of PMCs is emphasized, this means that the ability to make cubic snowdrifts from the Ministry of Defense loses to the training system from PMCs.

[Egg]

Quote: nickname7

These are the Russian forces

if you put an end here, I would give you a bold plus, but, alas, everything after this comma looks like throwing a brown substance on the fan, therefore a minus.

[Argon]

I heard something about the conversation of dill back in 2017. Like, there will be a war, and someone across the ocean made bets on this and is doing everything so that later everything can be written off neatly under the war

[Qas]

Oh what an unusually fresh and unknown infa! And we thought, but here it is...

[1 z1]

Absolutely right. I myself read an interview with some representative of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where he tells how they are preparing the army for war with Russia. It's somewhere around 18-19. Then it seemed like an eccentricity

[MBRSS]

The Supreme Commander told you in Russian - "If a fight is inevitable, strike first."

And if the Supreme tells you to hang yourself? Will you follow the advice? Stalin also knew that a fight was inevitable, but somehow refrained from striking first, for obvious reasons. And the supreme one imagined himself to be Napoleon and God knows who else. I got used to the fact that in Russia everything rolls with him, I thought that it would be like this everywhere. In the meantime, an unknown force led him by the nose all the way :) And, apparently, he continues to drive. Pardon the harshness.

[Monarchist]

Would you prefer a war on Russian territory? Wait, like, until two clowns Biden and Zelensky start bombing Russians from aircraft. Or have they been preparing millions of bombs for 8 years just like that? Indulge?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from Monarchist

Would you prefer a war on Russian territory? Wait, like, until two clowns Biden and Zelensky start bombing Russians from aircraft.

And who told you this? Millions of bombs...

[aglet]

"Would you prefer a war on Russian territory?"
where is she going now?

[Sergei_Bely]

And why it was impossible to fill Donetsk with concrete, make defense in depth, train people, saturate local units with modern equipment.
Build new cities in the Russian Federation and invite the residents of Donetsk to live and work for the good of Russia. Do the same with the Crimea and border areas.
It is cheaper for the country than to carry out SVO.
And let them all attack. How far would you go? Ours have been storming fortifications prepared by the Ukrainian side for 10 months now. And there is no end in sight.
And it would be even more difficult for them.

[Magog_]

Stalin also knew that a fight was inevitable, but somehow refrained from striking first, for obvious reasons.

For what "understandable reasons" Stalin abstained, do not explain? The result of the Nazi attack was incalculable losses, and on the 12th day of the outbreak of hostilities, the "father of the peoples" addressed the Soviet citizens, the famous "brothers, sisters", in which he announced the beginning of the Patriotic War ... It is worth recalling his no less famous words according to Mikoyan: "Lenin left us a great legacy, we - his heirs - pissed it all off!"

[Vincent price]

And Hitler defended the Germans in the Sudetenland) history is written by the winners.

[nickname7]

The Supreme One chewed it for you and put it in your mouth, but you still can’t swallow it.
Who started the Maidan on the outskirts? For what purpose?

So it was necessary to disperse the Maidan in 14 and there would be no problems.
And now all that's left is to eat.

[Maz]

Bakhmut is practically surrounded, the only road from the city is under artillery fire - a fighter of the "Orchestra" about the current situation on the Bakhmut front.
Moth
Communication with the city of the enemy is carried out with great difficulty, not without loss in equipment and personnel.

Any attempts to knock out from their positions, including from the western part of the city, are futile: the Wagner fighters hold on and do not give up the occupied territories.

The only problem is ammo, it's scarce and more volume is needed to advance.

"We will carry out tasks, be that as it may, we need ammunition in order to work effectively with minimal losses. I want to ask: give us ammunition!"
GiveShellsWagners

[Hagakure]

Yes, everything is so sad in Artyomovsk that even Zelensky recently came across that very road to see how things were going in Artyomovsk. Even Skabeeva asked some military correspondents: "How so: Zelensky in Artyomovsk?" They haven't run away from the "homeland of Ukrainian fear" for three months now. Interestingly, by the beginning of summer this huge and terrible fortress of Artyomovsk will still be taken? I think no. But everything has its positive sides. For that, it will be possible to write another headline about "The very last decisive, final and irrevocable assault on Artyomovsk has begun."

[Plate]

Quote: Hagakure

even Zelensky came the other day

Somehow I didn’t see such news “the other day” that Zelensky would come somewhere.

[Hagakure]

And I just saw it both on TV and at Shariy's in the Telega. On TV, Skabeeva was playing shots of the road to Artyomovsk, Zelensky in Artyomovsk, and Sladkov made excuses, saying that I’m not here, I don’t know anything.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Hagakure

Yes, everything is so sad in Artyomovsk that even Zelensky recently came across that very road to see how things were going in Artyomovsk. Even Skabeeva asked some military correspondents: "How so: Zelensky in Artyomovsk?"

What kind of nonsense? Even Syrsky is now afraid to come to the Bakhmut meat grinder, because all the roads are under fire from the Wagnerites. The maximum that the Kyiv bosses are capable of is to light up in Chasov Yar, and then not for long.

[Monarchist]

What kind of cheap babble is this? That Zelensky visited Artemovsk? Labuda!

[Hagakure]

Well, for example, doubts about this from the Russian News Front. The truth is unconvincing.
https://news-front.info/2022/12/21/grazhdane-ukrainy-ne-poverili-v-poezdku-svoego-prezidenta-na-front/

[ivan2022]

Quote: Maz

Bakhmut .... I want to ask: give us ammunition!
GiveShellsWagners

Whom to ask? Wagner's shells were to be bought by Prigozhin. Because PMC is a commercial company. The state has already given money when signing the contract. Where's the money?

Therefore, there is an answer to your question "BUY SHELLS YOURSELF WHERE YOU WANT"

[Rage66]

Can you elaborate on the "single plant"?
No, just interesting

[Gpn27]

As far as I remember, all this was brewed back in 2005 during the Orange Revolution. The people who organized and supported it, and then the subsequent Maidan must be destroyed.

[flicker]

Hmm ... and what forces are given all this today, the guys from near Avdiivka once again told.

Don't worry so much, Wagner PMC fighters (really cool warriors) are now destroying the Chabad citadel in Bakhmut.
And the Chabad citadel in Avdeevka will soon be surrounded by the Russian Armed Forces.

[vova1910]

Quote: flicker

Hmm ... and what forces are given all this today, the guys from near Avdiivka once again told.

Don't worry so much, Wagner PMC fighters (really cool warriors) are now destroying the Chabad citadel in Bakhmut.
And the Chabad citadel in Avdeevka will soon be surrounded by the Russian Armed Forces.

to tel aviv, to tel aviv

[flicker]

to tel aviv, to tel aviv

Tel Aviv is the interests of the Arabs.

Hundreds of Israeli Air Force pilots refuse to report for duty in protest against the government

100 recently retired officers of the armored corps wrote a letter to the chiefs of security, warning that in protest "some of us will stop serving in the reserve if the coup d'état passes."

On Friday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that "refusing to serve in the IDF poses a great danger to the State of Israel."

In fact, an ultimatum to Netanyahu.
But Netanyahu is the politician who puts the interests of Israel above the interests of the United States.
And the United States has already sentenced Israel. If Netanyahu loses, then Israel will be thrown into the furnace of a BV war.
So that ...

[vova1910]

Quote: flicker

And the United States has already sentenced Israel. If Netanyahu loses, then Israel will be thrown into the furnace of a BV war.
So that ...

Here it is necessary to add, as in the training manual, that the US dollar is an unsecured piece of paper and in six months will cost less than the paper on which it is printed.
And there will definitely be a war in BV, and Israel and Iran, the United States and other countries are actively preparing for it. Judging by everything, according to its results, the historical integrity of Azerbaijan will be restored.

[Alan81]

in Tel Aviv, their serious passions-faces

[Hagakure]

Yes soon. Somewhere in half a year, or maybe in a year. Or maybe...

[vova1910]

Quote: Hagakure

Yes soon. Somewhere in half a year, or maybe in a year. Or maybe...

Of course, it was not in vain that the T-55 was removed from storage. The Jews, when they see them, will cry and run away.

[Arkadich]

When the fat one loses weight, the skinny one dies. So don't cry, we have a use for everything. The main thing is to have time to escape in time, you have already begun to cry.

[vova1910]

Quote: Arkadich

you have already begun to cry.

Rather, I laugh, to put it ruder - I piss in the light of mind-blowing victories.

[Arkadich]

No one officially announced about the breathtaking victories, but there is no need to talk about it.
First of all, you smell raw.
Secondly, your mom has unnecessary problems.

[vova1910]

Quote: Arkadich

No one officially announced about the breathtaking victories

Poorly listened to Shapiro and others a year ago. And why did you sit in the hostel for a month? I understand that was the plan.

[Arkadich]

I do not listen to Shapiro and others, I repeat to you who officially announced the breathtaking victories?
About Gostomel, I think it was a strategic mistake, but excellently executed tactically. In Pristina it was a stunning victory, here a victory with a taste of bitterness.

[vova1910]

Quote: Arkadich

I do not listen to Shapiro and others, I repeat to you who officially announced the breathtaking victories?

Maybe you don’t listen to Konoshenko either? In vain. Konoshenko will not lie. And the unwillingness to listen to official propaganda, Simonyan, Solovyov pulls at least to discredit. So you will start thinking, comparing how it turned out that Kiev was promised in three days, and as a result they are digging trenches in the Crimea, setting up air defense in the center of Moscow, and enemy drones reach Kaluga (100 km from Moscow).

[Arkadich]

For the last time I repeat, I trust the OFFICIALLY AUTHORIZED AUTHORITIES. I read Konoshenko.
We calculated the threat, took measures to prevent them, I don’t see anything defeatist.

[vova1910]

Quote: Arkadich

For the last time I repeat, I trust the OFFICIALLY AUTHORIZED AUTHORITIES. I read Konoshenko.

And Solovyov, in your opinion, voices an unofficial position?

[Arkadich]

Young man, I'm used to arguing with opponents with whom we can disagree globally, but I refuse to talk with a person who for the third time cannot understand or take an interest in the difference between a journalist and a person officially representing the authorities.

[vova1910]

Quote: Arkadich

About Gostomel, I think it was a strategic mistake, but excellently executed tactically. In Pristina it was a stunning victory, here a victory with a taste of bitterness.

Does this magnificent tactical victory in Gostomel have a first and last name?

[Arkadich]

Wasn't interested. What does it matter? To analyze the possible mistakes made, there are competent people (not like you and me). In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, not all fools command, but your people deal with fools.

[aglet]

"In Pristina it was a stunning victory"
and what a stunning victory was in Pristina? seized an unoccupied airport? and are we still holding it? Or did they leave him after a couple of days? what was the point?

[vova1910]

Quote: Arkadich

and you don't have to freak out.
First of all, you smell raw.
Secondly, your mom has unnecessary problems.

Of course, you are writing this to me from the trench, warrior. There is such a children's song "Malbrook is going on a hike." Heard it as a child for sure. So here it is about you, about brilliant generals, about mothers who received cars instead of sons.

[Arkadich]

No, not from a trench, I probably already served my trenches. I was not a general and I’m not going to give them advice, Caesar’s is Caesar’s. About mothers with frets, these are your Ukrainian jokes, and then they lasted for six months, until the funeral masses went en masse across your fields and villages.

[vova1910]

Quote: Arkadich

No, not from a trench, I probably already served my trenches. I was not a general and I’m not going to give them advice, Caesar’s is Caesar’s.

When you don't fight. It's easy to send others to their deaths. I am not from Ukraine, but from much more southern borders, and if generals had fought like that in my country, they would not have gotten away with resignation. Government commission, court, prison. But your generals are not in danger. It's impossible to hide the number of dead in my country, there is an open mortyrology.

Quote: Arkadich

About mothers with frets, these are your Ukrainian jokes, and then they lasted for six months, until the funeral masses went en masse across your fields and villages.

Yes, I’ve heard that even coffins for a dead soldier are problematic to get.

[flicker]

Yes soon. Somewhere in half a year, or maybe in a year. Or maybe..

Half a year Ukraine will not exist.

Washington has repeatedly (at various military and political levels) stated that that the fate of Ukraine should be decided before the middle or end of this summer and that the impending Ukrainian offensive would be the last. For some time now, these statements have been repeated by European and NATO officials, and recently a similar statement was made by the President of the Czech Republic.

[vova1910]

Quote: flicker

Half a year Ukraine will not exist.

do you answer?

[malyvalv]

Of course it will exist. And in general will exist happily ever after. But within its historical boundaries (this still needs to be clarified) and under the wise leadership of rulers extremely loyal to the Russians.

[Monarchist]

Happily ever after, Russia will finally be within its historical borders! That's what we're going to. And Ukraine, as there was no history, is not necessary.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: flicker

Half a year Ukraine will not exist.

Yeah, how did the NWO start, like the Mikhans yelled here: "Yes, we'll have one left of them!" The second year we are tinkering. In the summer, Yasnaya wrote to me here, XNUMX square kilometers a day are being liberated! Shoigu said!

[Monarchist]

If the entire pack of the European Union would not have climbed there with dirty paws, everything would have been left alone. And then everyone rushed to share the pie!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from Monarchist

If the entire pack of the European Union would not have climbed there with dirty paws, everything would have been left alone. And then everyone rushed to share the pie!

Yeah, but why did this pack climb? We started with rusty German helmets and Belgian first aid kits. They saw that we were silent, they began to supply guns and tanks.

[4ekist]

Nikolay310 ..... who brewed the very place in court in the 14th year ... not only in The Hague, but in front of the Russian people.

And who brewed, who organized and who created the conditions for the war? If you say "A", then say "B".

..... the sofa security immediately recorded .....

Filter the bazaar dear, security.

[nickname7]

.how is it, the main thing we protect the guys ... in my opinion, the one who brewed this in the 14th year has the very place in court ... just not in The Hague, but in front of the Russian people.

That's right, at 14. the Nazi tumor was small and it was easy to cut it out, and in the last stages of cancer, you have to cut off the floor of the body and this is a direct fault of the GDP.

[bayard]

Quote: Nikolay310

about 1500 tanks, although the only plant is capable of producing about 300 ...

Uralvagonzavod is capable of producing up to 800 new tanks (built from scratch) within a year in peacetime conditions. This is the production capacity of the enterprise when equipped with a full staff.
But in addition to building new tanks, we have much more tanks being raised from the DH and undergoing repairs and modernization. AT SEVERAL other plants, but also at UVZ - too. Here, together with the upgraded ones, the total number of tanks transferred to the Army per year will be 1600 units. Furstein?
And only in storage we have over 10 tanks suitable for restoration, repair, modernization and return to service.
About 7000 T-72s.
At least 3000 T-80s (suitable for upgrading to T-80BVM).
About 1500 T-62\62M.
And this is in addition to another 2000 T-80 early versions, 2000 - 2500 T-64 and 1500 - 2000 T-55, which will not be returned to service as tanks.
So enough for your underdogs and all patrons.

[kromer]

It looks like Russian forces have launched a decisive assault on Artemovsk

It's time to finish with Artyomovsk. There are still many unliberated cities ahead.

[Hagakure]

Well, what are you? We haven't even started yet! Information from a very reputable and influential source. True nasal.

[Tma197725]

And what do you think, a reliable assault? And who do you think brewed all this at 14? And why are they dying? If you don't understand, then don't explain! Regarding assaults, assault is a way to avoid a long siege that the enemy can withstand. And hopelessness is your usual state along the way. My generation, even serving on an urgent basis, stormed both Grozny and Argun, the Bamut state farm and suffered losses, and even from them 19 years old I did not hear such snot!

[ivan2022]

Brewed it in 1991. No normal society would allow obvious manipulation.

Three dudes divide the USSR at night in the forest. "They are equipping Russia" - under the slogan "stop feeding them." And now we will "return the lands" ...... The cry of the president deceived in 2014, who has been waiting for 8 years for the Armed Forces to get stronger ....

Not .. but ... In a normal society, all this fantastic game with the night division of the country and the return of the lands. would not have passed in any way ..... Game, Africa is resting.

Gaidai's prophecy was cool: "Senya is game!"

[Bulrumeb]

As for "stop feeding them," you are clearly from a sick head to a healthy one. Just after they fled and it turned out that they were sucking out Russia like leeches.

[Tma197725]

How much can you write off for three dudes? Yes, it’s more than 200 million that screwed up the Union and that’s enough to blame someone. We all had the choice to become a mountain for the Union or silently chew Bush’s legs. We chose the second option. bandits for their loot, someone drank himself having lost the meaning of life, someone like me near Grozny, Ossetian Ingush conflicts, Tajikistan, and a lot of places! We all pay our bills, although we didn’t borrow. We pay the bills of the profaned Motherland!

[ivan2022]

Quote from Tma197725

How much can you write off for three dudes? Yes, it’s more than 200 million that screwed up the Union and that’s enough to blame someone. We all had the choice to become a mountain for the Union s!

What did I write about? You are a good gentleman, first you will learn to read normally. And understand the meaning. In a country inhabited by people like you, it cannot be otherwise

[Havoc]

Quote: ivan2022

The cry of the president deceived in 2014, who has been waiting for 8 years for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to get stronger

Yes, not when the Armed Forces of Ukraine get stronger, but waited for a reliable banking system to be created, can you imagine what a collapse would be if the cards for the population were turned off overnight. I gave only one example, but there are dozens of them and not only in the banking sector, the same Power of Siberia just built in 2019.

[MBRSS]

they were waiting for a reliable banking system to be created, ...

those. Initially, the banking system was created without caring about its reliability and stability against external influences? Let me ask you, who has been in charge of our country all this time? What kind of sucker (or foreign agent) is this? And the safety of the notorious 300 lard could not be ensured if our banking system has become so prettier over these 8 years? I understand it's different. Well, at least the "Power of Siberia" is iron and heavy - it's a problem to steal))

[AdAstra]

Now there are such masters in this that it is not a problem to steal "iron and heavy"

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: MBRBS

"The Power of Siberia" is iron and heavy - stealing is a problem))

Come on! Whatever they steal. Somehow a colleague was picking mushrooms in the Moscow region. He looks, the men are digging out a copper pipe and sawing it. Guys, what's a pipe? But who the hell knows... Well, one who knew turned out to be: "Guys, are you crazy? This is the FAPSI connection!"

[aglet]

"It's good that the Power of Siberia is iron and heavy - it's a problem to steal))"
but blowing up is not a problem - it's not even under water

[Havoc]

Quote: MBRBS

And the safety of the notorious 300 lard could not be ensured,

And exactly 300 lard, I've read that they can't find half of it.

[ivan2022]

Heh. Heh ... Heh ... The banking system was created under Yeltsin, and therefore Siluanov and Nabiullina created something ... something else.
Yes, you do not push, protecting them, the navel will untie
And the president has already admitted his mistakes and repented publicly. Even Girkin noted this. In short - - Learn the materiel, Mr. Defender of Presidents and Billionaires

[Nikolay310]

Let them just try to shoot at those behind whose backs we will stand ... do not remember who said? Well, they tried it ... only this naive long-nosed character remained standing behind the backs of women and children ... shifting his responsibility either to the Polovtsians or to the Pechenegs.

And you continue to clap your hands and assume that since Shoigu has not spoken about losses since July, then they don’t exist ... you most likely have both Saratov and Moscow BDK still sailing by sea ...

[igorbrsv]

We did not brew, but everything went to this. Your correct question. They answered promptly. It's time to give on wort. Everything goes towards this. Either we all die or we win.

[Hagakure]

You simply do not know cases in history when a competent siege ended earlier than stupid incessant meat assaults. History knows such examples. And the assaults do not always end with a positive result.

[Tma197725]

A competent siege distracting huge forces in a huge front! Perhaps! Give an example of the wars of the last fifty years with successful sieges without assaults! Only not Israel and not striped in their wars with the Indians!

[Hagakure]

And what about the last 50 years? Let's take the last 30 years. So, those who know how to fight normally for the last 30 years cope with their tasks in just a couple of months. If you don't know, ask the Americans "how". You can see it in Iraq. Fourth Peace Army Iraq is a good example. There, the most difficult was Basra in 2003, a town with about 20 Artyomovsk or three Mariupol. And they didn't have any losses. They took it in two months. Yes, they do not make sieges, but their assaults do not last more than a year, as in Russia with Avdiivka.

[Tma197725]

Well, ask the USA! Iraq, which was sanctioned by "Mom Don't Cry", with practically no air defense against a coalition that is several orders of magnitude superior technically. With generals who sold everyone and everything without satellite intelligence, without the support of at least some country in the world. An awesome example. an example of the siege of the Gaza Strip! They compared something with a tram handle! In our case, the siege fetters large forces. Forces that, without destroying the enemy, will themselves receive on the scruff of the neck with Hymars and long-range artillery, will deter deblocking strikes from two or even more sides, practically in the field, at a glance, repeat the Ugledar scenario when they will be hit from high-rise buildings from pturs. We don’t have so many l .c. in order to leave a fortified garrison in the rear, controlling the surrounding area, which will need to be constantly expanded in all directions in order to avoid a breakthrough, all this will cost much more.

[aglet]

"With the generals who sold everyone and everything who did not have satellite intelligence, without the support of at least some country in the world."
something that reminds me of...
"In our case, the siege fetters large forces"
whose powers does it bind? and why is the "slow" assault on Artyomovsk better than its own siege, when all supply routes are cut and the personnel are safer ??

[tTshka]

At least don’t read the news at all ... some write about the assault, others (petushary, etc.) about the fact that someone is exhausted ... immediately vidos pop up about how the guys on the front end are thrown to slaughter. FIG win, true or not ... what's going on, get the hell out. The TV (news) is the same, there the konashenkov of all enemies, already in the second round, destroys. Not life, but some kind of fairy tale.

[igorbrsv]

Everything is fine there. Artemovsk will be taken. Matter of time. And vushnikov there really dofiga. Only not even fascists, just meat. But they have to shoot

[Hagakure]

I think with the capture of Artemovsk the main thing is the process, not the result. The main thing is not to take it, but here it is: “Every day, nanometer by nanometer, we are moving towards the capture of Artyomovsk. During the day of fighting, we again destroyed as many as 30 Ukrainian militants (from a XNUMX million army). It is immediately clear that they are simply throwing meat at us.”

[igorbrsv]

Where does the one and a half millionth come from? Well, I still believe about 400. In a day, only two hundredth confirmed more than a thousand.
By the way, a lot of people asked here why a kamikaze drone approaching a target is shown, but there is no destruction frame. It transmits a packet of information at the finish line. Now, as I understand it, at the request of the workers, a reconnaissance drone flies together with a kamikaze. Now there are frames of destruction, and not just approaching the target . Tama and three axes and highmarses and other muck. A lancet paired with an eagle is launched at the request of viewers

[aglet]

"And there are really dofigov vushnikov."
dofiga- how much specifically? and even if it’s dofiga, how do they fit in this town 5 km by 8 km?

[tralflot1832]

This means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are really bad in Artyomovsk. You need to look at Prigozhin, as he says, such is the situation. There are too many more forces near Artyomovsk in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[ivan2022]

Quote: tralflot1832

This means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are really bad in Artyomovsk. You need to look at Prigozhin, as he says, such is the situation. There are too many more forces near Artyomovsk in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Prigozhin is a manager, a pharmacist and media person by profession. . His business is to provide a company ...... Buy.

And the commander of Wagner, a retired lieutenant general of the GRU, is Utkin.
You don't know basic things.

[kromer]

Quote: ivan2022

And the commander of Wagner, a retired lieutenant general of the GRU, is Utkin.

Utkin lieutenant colonel of the reserve. This is if you are talking about the one with the call sign "Wagner".

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: tralflot1832

You have to watch Prigogine

And where did you get the idea that Prigogine is the ultimate truth?

[UAZ 452]

It looks like Russian forces have launched a decisive assault on Artemovsk

I'm embarrassed to ask: were the previous assaults, starting from August last year, not decisive?

[igorbrsv]

I don't know about decisive ones. I'm waiting for the closing words

[Tagan]

Quote: Nikolay310

Hmm ... and with what forces all this is given today, the guys from near Avdiivka once again told ... who were immediately recorded by the couch security in tsipso ... how is it, the main thing is to protect the guys ... in my opinion, whoever it is brewed in the 14th year the very place in court ... not only in The Hague, but in front of the Russian people. And in front of the mothers of those whom his long trusting nose took to the grave ... if at 41 in hopeless assaults and encirclements, the guys understood why they were dying ... now for what? For good will, grain deals and Medvedchuks??? There are so few men in Russia already ... and even those few just like that for a pinch of tobacco ... but we also talk about weapons based on new physical principles about 1500 tanks, although the only plant is capable of producing about 300 ...

The question arises: "how do you personally differ from tsipsota?". The fact that you wind snot around your fist, simultaneously trying to cause a split, like them? Or the fact that you probably live in Russia and not on a salary, like they do? In my opinion, this situation is even more shameful.
Russian soldiers obviously do not need what you are doing here. Well, it looks like you can't do anything else.

[Tagan]

Quote: Nikolay310

Let them just try to shoot at those behind whose backs we will stand ... do not remember who said? Well, they tried it ... only this naive long-nosed character remained standing behind the backs of women and children ... shifting his responsibility either to the Polovtsians or to the Pechenegs.
...

Have you tried changing the methodology? The non-brothers have not used such junk for a long time. Unless the characters are completely mossy.

[aglet]

how easily are stoned uryapotreots determined? to any question that is unpleasant (or incomprehensible) to them, the answer immediately follows: "Did you try to change the manual?" and something about cisso.

[cooper]

The second (!) year of the NWO is coming ... Donbass is not even close to being liberated. The famous white gloves.

[kakvastam]

When they write "Russian forces", the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation usually come to mind, but over and over again it turns out to be Wagner PMC. There is no doubt - the forces, and the forces are really Russian, but somehow it is ugly.
And if you inadvertently turn on the TV, then not a word about the "musicians" at all, continuous Konashenkov.
And these small games are very disturbing.

[igorbrsv]

Wagner needs PR. For the sun of the Russian Federation no. I think everything

[UAZ 452]

Wagner needs PR. For the sun of the Russian Federation no. I think everything

If the RF Armed Forces did not need PR, then why were endless parades, tank biathlons, and air shows held (and even now are held!)? Actually, before the SVO, apart from PR, the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense did nothing. Now suddenly you don't need it? Suddenly!

[kakvastam]

Is that why the role of "musicians" is carefully hushed up?
The trouble with formal logic.

[Z_Ceska]

By the way, I would be interested to know your opinion on this matter: "There are no Nazis in Ukraine, we are not at war with NATO," Prigozhin said.

The head of the Russian mercenary military company Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, unexpectedly softened his rhetoric against the Ministry of Defense, with which he is at enmity, and praised him for his cooperation. He also stated that there are no Nazis in Ukraine, and Russia is not at war with the North Atlantic Alliance. Both of these statements belong to the Kremlin.

In a 30-minute interview on Thursday, Prigogine challenged these main pillars of Kremlin propaganda. He stressed that Russia is fighting "exclusively with Ukrainians" armed with NATO equipment, including "Russophobic" mercenaries who voluntarily support Ukraine. But not with NATO itself.

The Wagner chief believes that Russian officials should have known that NATO would provide military assistance to Ukraine. "It is ridiculous to think that when Russia decided to conduct this special military operation, it did not count on NATO assistance to Ukraine," he said.

Putin's so-called "chef" is unsure of Russia's ability to "de-Nazify" Ukraine because he doesn't know a single Nazi in Ukraine. He also doubts that Russia can actually achieve the "demilitarization" of Ukraine, the second major condition that Moscow set as its main goal at the start of the invasion. According to Prigozhin, demilitarization would mean the destruction of the entire Ukrainian army. And this, according to him, is by no means obvious, despite the constant efforts of the Russians.

[Clone]

Arguing with stubborn Ukrainians in general and with "cissots" in particular is an absolutely hopeless occupation. Absolutely. There were certain hopes for the adequacy of the opponents, but until the moment I heard on the "cart" the opinion of the victim of "MaidaUna" - "This Canadian Tsar (!!!) gave Siberia to Russia."That's it. At least stand, at least fall ... Even the domestic liberota against their background looks like intellectuals, blocks of mind and lights of education.

[sdivt]

Quote from Tma197725

We chose second option.

How did we choose it?
Maybe it was we who at one time chose to send troops to Afghanistan?
Did we vote for the dissolution of the USSR?
Did we write petitions for the sale of mineral resources to the Americans and the cutting down of vineyards?
Was it at our insistent requests that the country carried out privatization?
Or maybe we have been calling the president's hotline for months demanding a referendum in Crimea in 2014 or starting an NVO in 2022?
Everything is decided for us.
In the USSR, all decisions were at least accompanied by the cynical "according to the numerous requests of the working people." Nowadays, even such a wording is considered redundant.
You wake up the next morning - and you find yourself in front of a fact.
If you want, take it.
If you don't want to, go out into the street, then return home with a broken face, and in the end, take it anyway.
Nothing depends on us. And it didn't matter. Everything is decided by one person. Time is changing, leaders are changing, their positions are changing, from the general secretary to the president ... but we are remembered only during the next elections. Everything else is not up to us.
Everything is extremely simple.
In fact, I do not grumble, and do not resent, as it may seem. I'm just stating the fact that we're all extras.
And yes, I haven’t been to many places, and even more so I don’t know the laws of other countries, but I’m almost sure that everything happens exactly the same way there.
Take off your rose-colored glasses)

[nickname7]

And yes, I haven’t been to many places, and even more so I don’t know the laws of other countries, but I’m almost sure that everything happens exactly the same way there

The example of France to help you there, the authorities have increased the retirement age, the people do not agree to arrange strikes and pogroms, but we are silent in a rag.

[aglet]

"The example of France to help you there, the authorities have increased the retirement age, the people do not agree to arrange strikes and pogroms"
Well? canceled? it's just that the authorities there give the people the opportunity to blow off steam into the whistle. good decision

[Tma197725]

There is always a choice! An example is the same anti-Soviet people, they were imprisoned, treated in psychiatric hospitals, deprived of civil rights and a lot of things! But they followed their choice only for this they should be respected! And our excuses are that we don’t solve anything !!!!! Well I do not know! When it is necessary for us personally, it turns out to solve a lot! I don’t exclude myself, even at 92 I studied at school. And rose-colored glasses have nothing to do with it. They just poured something into our ears, we’ll eat sausages, we’ll go abroad, etc. then I do not remember that there were bloody crackdowns! Now in France, the crackdowns are much worse. And after the Belovezhskaya deal, I don’t remember at least one peaceful action with posters of Borya, what are you doing?! ONLY PEACEFUL was not long and I think it will not be soon!

[Konnick]

They just poured something into our ears, we’ll eat sausages, we’ll go abroad, etc.

But it turned out that meat is better than sausages with chymosa, 100 varieties, but you don’t want to eat. That there is no particular pleasure in visiting a foreign country, boasting that you have seen the Gioconda behind thick glass in the Louvre or in the Uffizi to closely examine the Good News, painted over with fresh colors by the same author? Yes, even under the Soviet Union there was sausage, even in Tambov and Penza, only in agricultural cooperation stores, and traveling abroad was mostly organized groups, a cheerful company, and not alone or alone with boredom, with a mandatory cultural program.

[aglet]

"but I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same there."
there is more foam and saliva. and there is no Russian guard

[Tagan]

Quote: Cooper

The second (!) year of the NWO is coming ... Donbass is not even close to being liberated. The famous white gloves.

Apparently so as not to disturb the usual way of thin and vulnerable natures. And then how it turns out that, as for some, the prospect of mobilization loomed (theoretically), they got tired and ran in an unknown direction for themselves, smearing everything around with their excrement along the way. But apparently the nuts still have to start tightening. Then the result will be, in my opinion.

[Quote Lavrov]

I read the comments under the article and the main thing I see is misunderstanding and anger already between each other. Either this is due to the fact that there is little information, or the fact that many authoritative and bright colleagues have either been removed from the site (like the same “Observer” that is now at war (my friend, the main thing is to return home alive), or they themselves left, or those "that new colleagues do not know how to listen to each other, respect each other, but immediately give away labels .... it's hard to say. But it seems that now is definitely not the time for discord. Right now we must understand each other, hear and respect others. If we already squabble among ourselves, then good things should not be expected ...

[BorzRio]

The problem is that this will happen with every more or less large settlement. Months of siege and heavy losses.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Hagakure

even Zelensky came across the same road the other day to see how things were going in Artyomovsk.

Oh and lie...

[Tarasios]

And that's not true! We must believe the "civilized experts" (from today's news in ukrosmi):
"British intelligence believes that the Russians' attempts to capture Bakhmut have stalled due to extreme attrition, and they are now preparing to defend"
so that ;)

[UAZ 452]

British intelligence - well-known liars. Remember, back in November-December 2021, they claimed that Russia would start a war in Ukraine in February 22. More than a year has passed, but there is no war - only NWO! And the British didn't even apologize for their false prediction!

[Stas157]

. Russian forces launched a decisive assault on Artyomovsk

According to the intensity of passions and news, it is obvious that Bakhmut is the peak of Everest and the most important point that must be taken at all costs! And then the ground Ukrainians will immediately lose and surrender to mercy... No, well, really, and then what?

[aglet]

"No, really, but then what?"
and then there will be some other town that will be squeezed out the whole next year

[Tim666]

Quote: Rumata

If I were taken in June as a volunteer

If I had money, I would leave half to the family, and for the second I would buy a cooler jeepyaru, a dozen UAVs, a supply of food, and I would go to the Donbass regardless of age, and there I would settle down somewhere.

In Wagner they give good lifting ...

[Tim666]

Quote: Tagan

Quote: Nikolay310

Hmm ... and with what forces all this is given today, the guys from near Avdiivka once again told ... who were immediately recorded by the couch security in tsipso ... how is it, the main thing is to protect the guys ... in my opinion, whoever it is brewed in the 14th year the very place in court ... not only in The Hague, but in front of the Russian people. And in front of the mothers of those whom his long trusting nose took to the grave ... if at 41 in hopeless assaults and encirclements, the guys understood why they were dying ... now for what? For good will, grain deals and Medvedchuks??? There are so few men in Russia already ... and even those few just like that for a pinch of tobacco ... but we also talk about weapons based on new physical principles about 1500 tanks, although the only plant is capable of producing about 300 ...

The question arises: "how do you personally differ from tsipsota?". The fact that you wind snot around your fist, simultaneously trying to cause a split, like them? Or the fact that you probably live in Russia and not on a salary, like they do? In my opinion, this situation is even more shameful.
Russian soldiers obviously do not need what you are doing here. Well, it looks like you can't do anything else.

In your opinion, it’s better to broadcast in style, everything is fine, beautiful marquise .... everything is fine, everything is fine. In 1940, this already happened and the song was composed - when Suomi accepted us, the beauty in a necklace of transparent lakes, though they quickly stopped playing it on the radio, my neighbor was a Finnish invalid, he told how reality differed from the propaganda of the commissars.

[Alex242]

Quote: Argon

Do not pay attention to the staff of Ukrainian propaganda (TsIPSO). They just so gently press on the thin. They look for problems in our side and bring them to the right place!

there are more and more of these now...

[Alex242]

Quote: igorbrsv

Wagner needs PR. For the sun of the Russian Federation no. I think everything

what PR? the guys at the very front are fighting .... (in hell itself)

[aglet]

"what kind of PR? the guys at the very front are fighting .... (in hell itself)"
Here you are creating PR for them. eight months they are squeezing everything out of Artyomovsk, and how much more is ahead is unknown

[tolmachiev51]

The NWO has entered a "muddy" phase - one PMC is working off the money.

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: MBRBS

The Supreme Commander told you in Russian - "If a fight is inevitable, strike first."

And if the Supreme tells you to hang yourself? Will you follow the advice? Stalin also knew that a fight was inevitable, but somehow refrained from striking first, for obvious reasons. And the supreme one imagined himself to be Napoleon and God knows who else. I got used to the fact that in Russia everything rolls with him, I thought that it would be like this everywhere. In the meantime, an unknown force led him by the nose all the way :) And, apparently, he continues to drive. Pardon the harshness.

Well, Stalin resisted ..... and how is it? retreat to Moscow and the Caucasus, flooding the land with their blood? how can it leave its people, its people in occupation under the punitive units of the SS? how is it for people in Leningrad to die of hunger? maybe it’s good to fight on your own land?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ovsigovets

your people in occupation under the punitive SS units?

Silently.

[Tagan]

Quote: Stas157

According to the intensity of passions and news, it is obvious that Bakhmut is the peak of Everest and the most important point that must be taken at all costs! And then the ground Ukrainians will immediately lose and surrender to mercy... No, well, really, and then what?

In my opinion, everything is much simpler.
You, as always, confused the result of your inverted perception with reality.

[sdivt]

Quote: nickname7

The example of France to help you there, the authorities have increased the retirement age, the people do not agree to arrange strikes and pogroms, but we are silent in a rag.

You obviously selectively read what I write about:
"If you don't want to, go out into the street, then return home with a broken face, and in the end - take it anyway." (With)
Do you think they will lower the retirement age in France? I'm sure not.
There will simply be a few dozen beaten citizens more, a couple of cars will be burned, a couple of shop windows, but the result is the same - the law will not be changed

[VladimirNET]

Nevertheless, they took Kamenka (near Avdeevka) - well done!

[Illanatol]

Quote from sdivt

Do you think they will lower the retirement age in France? I'm sure not.
There will simply be a few dozen beaten citizens more, a couple of cars will be burned, a couple of shop windows, but the result is the same - the law will not be changed

Given the scale and strength of the protest, the authorities may make some concessions.
The retirement age will be raised, but not as much as it is written in the bill.

[Illanatol]

Quote from Tma197725

An example is the same anti-Soviet people, they were imprisoned, treated in psychiatric hospitals, deprived of civil rights and a lot of things! But they followed their choice only for this they should be respected!

Why respect them? For honestly working out a jar of jam with a box of cookies?
Did you try to go to the West, get a job as a full-time employee at Golos..., get citizenship there?

"And for this, my drunken friend," he said to Epifan,
there will be whiskey, a house in Chicago, a lot of women and cars ... "

[Illanatol]

Quote: UAZ 452

Actually, before the SVO, apart from PR, the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense did nothing.

What is your evidence?
Nevertheless, our RF Armed Forces of the 2022 model were very different from the RF Armed Forces of 1996, during the First Chechen War.
Lie, do not lie.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Hagakure

So, those who know how to fight normally for the last 30 years cope with their tasks in just a couple of months. If you don't know, ask the Americans "how". You can see it in Iraq. Fourth Peace Army Iraq is a good example. There, the most difficult was Basra in 2003, a town with about 20 Artyomovsk or three Mariupol.

Iraq has never had a "fourth army of the world", empty chatter.
The NATO coalition with a total population of half a billion people, having created a multiple superiority, fell upon a country with a population of less than 20 million and ironed it with bombardments, dropping bombs more than on the Reich.
For one killed Iraqi soldier - 15-20 civilians.
But during the "Storm ..." Iraq nevertheless resisted, Saddam retained power.
Iraq had to be exhausted with sanctions that brought about half a million deaths of Iraqi children alone.
Only later, the Yankees and their allies were able to occupy Iraq, but they could not stay there and in fact had already left there, giving rise to ISIS along the way. And the native army, which the Yankees had learned, threw "Abrams" at one approach of the Islamists.
Well, what mentors are, such are the students.

And how brilliantly the Yankees coped with their SVO in Afghanistan - for a long time it got into the anal of History.

[Illanatol]

Quote: ivan2022

Three dudes divide the USSR at night in the forest.

And who voted for these "dudes"? Who elected them presidents?
Martians?
You might think that you then supported the State Emergency Committee.
Strongly doubt.

[23424636]

Bakhmut is not a Ukrainian name, it is an ancient Russian city that is 450 years old. But the author of the article is unaware of this. The decisive assault has been going on for half a year already .. I have been in Bakhmut about 50 times. Alas, it was. Now this former county center of Russia has become the center of attraction for everyone. The city is going to rise to the west and the western part of the high bank of the Bakhmutka River is built up with high-rise buildings, which makes it difficult to move like, Ugledar and, like, dachas, which the marines left after losing their personnel. But ZK has a different motivation - freedom or death, and there are no such arguments in the Moscow Region, so Bakhmut, as a city on the Rostov-Kharkov highway, will sooner or later return to Russia.

[biznaw]

Quote: Rumata

If I were taken in June as a volunteer

If I had money, I would leave half to the family, and for the second I would buy a cooler jeepyaru, a dozen UAVs,

Dzhipyar only to wipe around the rear, it would be better to buy a regimental set of digital radio communications with interfacing with analog in tanks, that would be powerful.

[VladMirU]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Nikolay310

..if at 41 in hopeless assaults and encirclements, the guys understood why they were dying ... now for what?

Still don't know why?
The Supreme One chewed it for you and put it in your mouth, but you still can’t swallow it.
Who started the Maidan on the outskirts? For what purpose? The goal was not only to tear off the Outskirts from Russia, but also to play off in a fratricidal war. Why did they kindle the language question, which had never been before? In order to kindle national consciousness and make it the most important issue.
And the mattresses succeeded. And if you think that if we had not struck a year ago, then nothing would have happened, then you are deeply mistaken. Mattress makers started all this not for peace, but for war. And the question is not when the outskirts would strike, the question is that it would definitely strike. And to the Donbass and the Crimea.
The Supreme Commander told you in Russian - "If a fight is inevitable, strike first."

So, it was necessary to hit first in 2014, and not in 2022 ... Or do you take everything that the Supreme Russian speaks as truth, at face value? Go down to the ground and take off your pink glasses. It's time to start thinking for yourself. And then they made a genius out of a KGB major .....

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An example is the same anti-Soviet people, they were imprisoned, treated in psychiatric hospitals, deprived of civil rights and a lot of things! But they followed their choice only for this they should be respected!

Why respect them? For honestly working out a jar of jam with a box of cookies?
Did you try to go to the West, get a job as a full-time employee at Golos..., get citizenship there?

"And for this, my drunken friend," he said to Epifan,
there will be whiskey, a house in Chicago, a lot of women and cars ... "

That is, Academician Sakharov fell into disgrace due to the fact that he did not have enough women and whiskey? Maybe you should not judge by yourself, do not believe there are people who believe in the ideas that they preach.

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So, those who know how to fight normally for the last 30 years cope with their tasks in just a couple of months. If you don't know, ask the Americans "how". You can see it in Iraq. Fourth Peace Army Iraq is a good example. There, the most difficult was Basra in 2003, a town with about 20 Artyomovsk or three Mariupol.

Iraq has never had a "fourth army of the world", empty chatter.
The NATO coalition with a total population of half a billion people, having created a multiple superiority, fell upon a country with a population of less than 20 million and ironed it with bombardments, dropping bombs more than on the Reich.
For one killed Iraqi soldier - 15-20 civilians.
But during the "Storm ..." Iraq nevertheless resisted, Saddam retained power.
Iraq had to be exhausted with sanctions that brought about half a million deaths of Iraqi children alone.
Only later, the Yankees and their allies were able to occupy Iraq, but they could not stay there and in fact had already left there, giving rise to ISIS along the way. And the native army, which the Yankees had learned, threw "Abrams" at one approach of the Islamists.
Well, what mentors are, such are the students.

And how brilliantly the Yankees coped with their SVO in Afghanistan - for a long time it got into the anal of History.

There was no multiple superiority during Desert Storm, and nothing is known about mass civilian casualties. The coalition professionally gouged the Iraqi forces that occupied Kuwait, it seems that no one set the task of occupying Iraq at that time. The Iraqi Armed Forces may not have been the fourth army in the world, but they had about 4000 tanks alone. In Afghanistan, the Americans generally coped no worse and no better than the SA and left the campaign for the same reasons, the endless guerrilla war simply wastes resources.

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Actually, before the SVO, apart from PR, the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense did nothing.

What is your evidence?
Nevertheless, our RF Armed Forces of the 2022 model were very different from the RF Armed Forces of 1996, during the First Chechen War.
Lie, do not lie.

You won’t believe it, but in 1996 the RF Armed Forces were very different from the Red Army in 1941. And you can’t argue right? What do you mean by very different, what are the criteria for comparison?

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Still don't know why?

Are you a galley politician? So many words and no specific answer to a specific question.
For the capture of Washington adit? We won't get there. For the safety of the inhabitants of the LDNR? It was easier and cheaper to bring everyone here. For the oligarchs of the galleries?