Yevgeny Prigozhin: The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine created a group of 80 thousand people in the Bakhmut area

The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is preparing a counteroffensive in the Donetsk direction, today the Armed Forces of Ukraine have concentrated a group of up to 80 thousand people in the Bakhmut area. Such data was provided by the founder of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin, while at the headquarters of the "Orchestra".

The enemy concentrated large forces around Bakhmut, preparing a counteroffensive. According to Prigozhin, the build-up of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction is obvious, in the area of ​​​​the city a large number of Western-made equipment has appeared. According to preliminary estimates, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine brought about 80 thousand personnel alone.

Vladimir Alexandrovich Zelensky heard us: there are fewer children and the elderly, there are more trained troops

- said Prigozhin, speaking about the situation in Bakhmut.

More accurate data was given by one of the commanders of the Wagner PMC with the call sign Lotus. At a meeting at the headquarters, he stated that according to the data received by the intelligence of the "musicians", up to 80.000 personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, along with an additional reserve, are concentrated in the area of ​​​​Bakhmut, Konstantinovka, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and Druzhkovka. At their disposal 280 tanks, over 1000 armored vehicles, up to 300 cannon artillery, and 93 MLRS.

In Bakhmut itself and its environs, the "Orchestra" is confronted by several tactical groups totaling about 60 people. The Bakhmut group operates in the city, which includes 14 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. From the northern direction, the TG "Karpaty" operates - 13 thousand people, from the north-west - TG "Adam" - about 7 thousand military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the south and south-west are covered by the tactical group "Azov", which includes about 13 thousand military personnel. There are also about 2-3 thousand foreign mercenaries, separate units of the SSO and SBU.

Earlier, the commander of the defense of Bakhmut, General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Syrsky, said that the main task of the counterattack would be the complete "liberation" of the city from units of the Wagner PMC. The "Orchestra", in turn, said that they would hold their positions if they were supported by units of the Russian army from the flanks.

Comments

[Sevastiec]

It is strange that we, any intelligence, immediately go to print. In my opinion, this never happens and should not be. Logical actions, to concentrate the enemy, to concentrate their forces. The very option is to hit the enemy at the moment of preparing his own blow. Either now everyone knows everything and knows that everyone knows everything and therefore do not care, either the usual information war, or, in the worst case, Prigozhin makes the data public on purpose, since our command, like near Kharkov, ignores intelligence.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Sevastiec

It is strange that we, any intelligence, immediately go to print. In my opinion, this never happens and should not be.

It's just that intelligence data becomes obsolete faster than the reader can read it. Troops are actively moving, plans are constantly changing, and so on.

[Sevastiec]

It is unlikely. No one will carry 2 cases with equipment back and forth every day. These are huge expenses, depreciation of materiel and the risk of stupidly losing human resources and that same materiel on endless marches.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: BlackMokona

Troops are actively moving, plans are constantly changing, and so on.

It is unlikely that troops move faster than missiles and rockets.
It’s just that Shoigu is preparing for the parade (presumably) ...
* * *
It is doubly incomprehensible to me, to what and to whom such statements are obligated?
We can only move the sofas or get up and get away from all this media and messages from non-state actors.
Even if we gather with the whole audience on Red Square (who can), only units of the Russian Guard will pay attention to us.
The plans are so cunning, and the weapons are based on such principles, that it is difficult to imagine what such reconnaissance with the announcement of the results will lead to ...

[Rosemary]

Quote: BlackMokona

It's just that intelligence data becomes obsolete faster than the reader can read it. Troops are actively moving, plans are constantly changing, and so on.

Yes, not so much intelligence quickly becomes obsolete, it's just that they are not a secret to anyone. This is the first war in world history "in real time", when everyone can film everything that he sees (both secret and explicit), and immediately put it on the Internet.
And this intelligence is not something that the enemy will see his command on the Internet faster than by transmission through conventional military channels.
Plus satellites, and not so much military ones, but also foreign commercial ones, which see everything no worse than military satellites, and are ready to sell this intelligence to any Western media for mere pennies.

[Maz]

Of course, Prigozhin deliberately released information about the situation at the front, otherwise the Gerasimovs' cast-iron foreheads would not be pierced. And so that they stir in the morph and then do not get out of the responsibility for the next click. This summary does not reveal our positions in any way, but it explains what is going on with Bakhmut in the first person, without censorship. And it's better to listen to Prigozhin on the video, he not only spoke about the situation at the front, but also about our bureaucratic wreckers and saboteurs in warm places. And quite so well said in terms understandable to anyone. The retelling in the article is simplified, kept silent a lot and does not have an emotional component, which our media is so afraid to show. And there it hurt soundly and bored decently.

[carpenter]

Quote: Maz

And so that they stir in the morph and then do not get out of the responsibility for the next click.

Prigozhin: "The situation is critical! As soon as the earth dries up, it will begin!" On the northern front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to carry out an offensive against Belgorod in the spring in order to turn this situation into a bargaining chip. The border must be strengthened.
Then they will try to break the Svatovo-Kremennaya line in order to reach Valuyki. The reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being accumulated in the Liman area. Two more strikes are expected with access to the Sea of ​​Azov, through Melitopol-Berdyansk and to Mariupol. The reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being accumulated in Dnepropetrovsk. A strike in two places is necessary for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to immediately block a large section of the land corridor to Crimea.

[Silver99]

War is, first of all, you need to hide your plans, I understand that you can’t hide anything from reconnaissance drones, but again, ours constantly repeat, we see, we know about the accumulation of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and are even waiting for this offensive, as if we will give the general meat grinder of the Armed Forces of Ukraine .... I would like to believe that everything will work out. In Europe, too, resources are not unlimited and they are closely watching, maybe after the summer defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they will be blown away and take care of their cities with demonstrators.

[Vic Vic]

Mattress makers even conducted drills, the condition of which was that their opponent knew all the basic information about them.
Apparently, now it is difficult to do something covertly.
On the other hand, it is not clear if the indicated mass of enemy troops, as has already been said, is "concentrated", then why artillery, missiles and, if possible, aviation do not work on them, on this concentration day and night.
Having concentrated such a number of troops, it will not be possible to completely disguise them.

[shikin]

Actually, the message is not entirely clear: "in the Bakhmut area, the Armed Forces of Ukraine concentrated a group of up to 80 thousand people" - and further: "in the area of ​​​​Bakhmut, Konstantinovka, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and Druzhkovka."
Then: "In Bakhmut itself and its environs, the Orchestra is opposed by several tactical groups with a total strength of about 60 people."
Is that 20 thousand left for Konstantinovka, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and Druzhkovka? Or was the Slavic-Kramatorsk group included in the vicinity of Bakhmut? And what was the strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine earlier in this Slavyansko-Kramatorsk region?
Looks like a broken phone

[Bomb]

Endless grinder. Comment text is too short.

[UAZ 452]

The problem of "grinding" the population of the two countries against each other is being successfully solved. Has anyone been well paid for this? And most likely the beneficiaries are on both sides of the border / LBS - after all, it takes two to tango.

[your vsr 66-67]

Ukrofascists have gathered a decent force against the musicians!
Prigozhin warned the army general about this long ago! Let's see what reaction will follow from the army general ......

[Gardamir]

Where is the strength from? They were all crushed

[ism_ek]

Quote: your vsr 66-67

Ukrofascists have gathered a decent force against the musicians!

And then there are the musicians. This force is concentrated on a broad front over 100 km long and can strike anywhere. "Musicians" control about 30 km.

[Igor_Sergeevich]

smiled - on a broad front more than 100 km long, express your thoughts more correctly

[Vic Vic]

To strike "anywhere", and not across the entire width of 100 km, it is necessary to first focus on a much narrower area than 100 km, and this is the time during which the direction of a possible strike can be determined by the other side.

[Grits]

Quote: your vsr 66-67

Let's see what reaction will follow from the army general ......

It is much more interesting, where will this general of the army run if the Armed Forces of Ukraine sweep away the band members with all this mass and, like a wave, carry our troops deep to the east? The situation is very serious, and the Gerasimovs and Shoigs do not even itch.
We have already gotten used to the idea that we do not have the ability to destroy Western equipment on the border of Ukraine. we have already understood that our army is not in a position to destroy the bridges across the Dnieper. But there was still a glimmer of hope that at least we could still strike at large concentrations of the enemy in a small area at a distance of several tens of kilometers. It turns out that the impotence of our generals showed itself to the fullest - we know everything, but we can’t do anything, sorry.

[voyaka uh]

Prigogine said a lot more...
That Russia is howling against Ukrainians and some
the number of "Russophobes" from Europe, not NATO soldiers.
That it was foolish not to think that NATO would supply
Ukraine with technology, when they started the NWO.
Prigozhin never talks about "Nazis" in Ukraine...
In short, Prigogine realized that the NWO had failed.

[Idunavs]

Quote: voyaka uh

Prigozhin never talks about "Nazis" in Ukraine..

If he does not speak, this does not mean that they are not there. There are plenty of them.

Quote: voyaka uh

In short, Prigogine realized that the NWO had failed.

Time will tell.

[sergey_vakk]

But he didn’t say that they weren’t there, it’s a matter of quantity. By the way, if you think there are a lot of them, then why didn’t they show us a single one? Just don’t tell me stories that they are not taken prisoner and in general this is a military secret

[Idunavs]

Quote: sergey_vakk

why didn't they show us one?

In the sense they didn’t show it, they seem to only do what they show. Or Prigozhin personally has to show it. And I felt it in my own skin more than once when I went to visit relatives.

[donavi49]

1) Well, this is understandable to all sane people. NATO (and even then mainly by the forces of the Poles, the Baltic states, and possibly the British) participates on the ground at most as military experts, staff officers, logisticians.
2) This is generally an axiom. But on the other hand, the main and only plan under consideration was - we go in, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not give up, then they behave neutrally (hence the caution of the first days with cavalry attacks with light forces) - we drink tea with commanders, we are waiting for a denouement (as in Crimea), separate units of volunteer battalions and nationalists are isolated and destroyed/forced to surrender, Yanukovych/Medvedchuk drives to Khreschatyk on the white Aurus - one more time to prepare a parade on Khreschatyk by May 9th. In this regard, the possible reaction of NATO can be neglected. For by the conditional April-May (when the first cautious deliveries went) - everything will end a long time ago, Yanukovych / Medvedchuk will sit in Kyiv, and Zelensky either like Tikhanovskaya or like Saddam.
3) There is a certain percentage of the right. Again, this is clear to any sane person. However, the same Prigozhin has no less right, if not more. Well, the same Rusich with a Kolovrat and an openly zigging, recognizing himself as a Nazi in an interview with Milchakov quite effectively fights for himself, and he also has a core from the Nazi party. However, the main and decisive mass of troops on both sides is precisely that of the Russians in the broadest sense. Yes, the same Syrsky graduated from the MVOKU with honors and still speaks Ukrainian on camera in semi-surzhik with hesitations and speaks obscene Russian-Russian outside the camera.

[phrases]

The supply of weapons has not been blocked, the western border and communication routes, apparently, are very necessary for someone, that they are treated so reverently and tenderly, unlike the war zone.

[Constantine N]

280 tanks for the offensive?
in the reports of the Ministry of Defense, destroyed tanks are not seen every day ...
somehow it sounds too dangerous ... and the number of 80k soldiers is 1/6 of the entire Russian grouping in its ...

[Al manah]

if units of the Russian army support them from the flanks.

Of course, they will support, of course, but what about ... The indecisive Armageddon was shoved somewhere, they don’t even remember him anymore, and such decisive men were appointed instead of him, who will support them like hoo ...

[kakvastam]

they will hold their positions if they are supported from the flanks by units of the Russian army.

If a.

[Shumi2010]

our businessmen would have long ago stirred up more pieces of such PMCs and equipped the beaches on the Dnieper. Ministry of Education is pulling something

[boris ivanov]

And we definitely have the General Staff .. not from the natives of Lviv, and does it consist of Uzhgorod ?? Maybe it's time for Prigozhin and Kadyrov to command positions in the MM, and to appoint the General Staff!
Honestly, I have big doubts about Shoigu as a minister, Gerasimov as a NGSH, and commander of the NMD!

[Grits]

Quote: boris ivanov

Honestly, I have big doubts about Shoigu as a minister, Gerasimov as a NGSH, and commander of the NMD!

It is high time to drive these mediocrity with pissed rags and weighty kicks. For it was they who developed the failed and unrealizable plan for the start of the NWO. They were unable to organize sea and air assaults. They were unable to hold the territories liberated at the very beginning. They continue idiotic operations to take the fortified areas head-on, losing our boys. They are to blame for the disgusting and disastrous technical support of the army and the disgustingly conducted mobilization. They are guilty of the fact that in the eyes of foreigners our army has turned from a great powerful force into a weak paper tiger, which no one is afraid of and everyone only mocks.

[kakvastam]

The system is not capable of rebuilding itself from the inside, especially when it lacks duplicated control and signaling circuits, like the notorious vertical. For nine years, no progress has appeared in this direction, but the enemy did not waste time, judging by the level of sabotage.
There was hope that the war would help improve society, but, apparently, they were several decades late - something stirred below, but the top stands firmly. Moreover, the irreplaceability of horses at the crossing convinced the officials of absolute impunity.
So Prigozhin's attempts to bypass the blocking are unlikely to affect anything.

[UAZ 452]

If we evaluate the information and propaganda aspects of the NWO, then for some reason we gave the enemy a great opportunity - our propagandists promoted the importance of the small town of Bakhmut / Artyomovsk to such an extent that the whole country is sure that this is no less than Stalingrad in 42-43 . Without surrendering the city, despite the ongoing assaults of the Wagner since August, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have shown that our troops will not be able to occupy any farm if the Ukrainians do not allow them to. And if now, after more than six months of frontal "grinding", the Armed Forces of Ukraine will surround or at least drive our troops away from the city in a matter of days, then Ukrainian propagandists will not even have to particularly promote this achievement - everything has already been done for them by their Russian colleagues in the craft, like they wouldn’t explain to us in hindsight that Bakhmut had no strategic importance, it’s just a local regrouping and reduction of the front line, the city was abandoned for humanitarian reasons, etc., etc. We remember all these songs very well in relation to Snake Island, Kherson, Kharkiv region... In the cliche, only a new geographical name needs to be substituted, the rest of the text does not change, but it is in demand more and more often.

[opuonmed]

Ukrainians create shock fists, etc., etc. I have a question why do we allow it? or is the Russian Federation simply unable to do anything?

[Ivan Ivanov]

Yes, we are driving ourselves into a trap by the fact that we are afraid of not pleasing someone with excessive rigidity and by the fact that we continue to call the Nazis who occupied Little Russia "Ukrainians". This is a phantom that needs to be analyzed both in political declarations and in historical science, otherwise the meaning of war disappears. The question immediately arises - why are we killing "Ukrainians" who "courageously fight for their land"?

[sergey_vakk]

We hope that Prigozhin exaggerated with a specialist and this is intended for hard foreheads from mo.

[I dare to_notice_]

I, like that Decembrist from the people, is far from military science, but ...
Too shy to ask...
And why was it necessary to announce a partial mobilization of 300 thousand souls, in order to then give the enemy time and opportunity to "create groups" ... "prepare a counteroffensive"? ..
Why give the enemy the opportunity to strengthen?
War is not football, where you want - you don’t want, but you have to spend exactly 90 minutes on the field?
We are not there for a while, but until the Victory? ..
Well, I used to think so...

[Ivan Ivanov]

80 thousand only under the bangnut. And we still don't need mobilization about the former. How were they going to surprise the Nazis, if there is a taboo on tactical nuclear weapons?

[Carlos Hall]

Gerasimov must know by many signs that there is a danger emanating from the accumulation of enemy troops and equipment.

[Carlos Hall]

I do not think that Gerasimov is stupid, and he took into account the threat hanging over the fronts of the war. It is urgent to increase the production of loitering ammunition "Lancet", endowing it with greater destructive power and stop putting sticks in Wagner's wheels

[Russian jacket]

Stupid or not, I don't know. And the fact that he is a conjuncturer can be said for sure. Otherwise, he would not have warmed the carcass near the supreme, during exercises in the Far East during the drape of his subordinates from near Kharkov. What was he doing there? Did he show devotion with his sleepy look?

[ivan2022]

The interest of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, of course, is not Bakhmut, but Crimea and FOR NPPs with uranium and plutonium.

Prigozhin's interest is Bakhmut, where are his people.

There will be a catastrophe if the Defense Ministry is forced to cover the dastardly Prigozhin, but at the same time the direction of the main attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be exposed. Which he personally does not care if it is not on Bakhmut.

Under Stalin Prigogine
probably would have already been shot, so to speak, as a preventive measure for his PR and ... . .. public activity that is unnecessary and dangerous for the army to anyone but himself.

[nedgen]

Quote: ivan2022

The interest of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, of course, is not Bakhmut, but Crimea and FOR NPPs with uranium and plutonium.

Prigozhin's interest is Bakhmut, where are his people.

There will be a catastrophe if the Defense Ministry is forced to cover the dastardly Prigozhin, but at the same time the direction of the main attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be exposed. Which he personally does not care if it is not on Bakhmut.

Under Stalin Prigogine
probably would have already been shot, so to speak, as a preventive measure for his PR and ... . .. public activity that is unnecessary and dangerous for the army to anyone but himself.

Under Yosif Visarionovich, half of the General Staff would probably have already been shot, and of the remaining half they would have been sent as privates to the front, and colonels and majors with combat experience would have taken the place of the generals, and Prigozhin would have been made a hero of the Soviet Union and would definitely have studied Wagner’s experience and would not have put them sticks in wheels!!!! And even under Stalin, they would have started a FULL mobilization of the economy long ago and would not have made gestures of goodwill in any way, realizing that no one would appreciate them. And even under Stalin, the United States would not have risked expanding NATO, and even the USSR would not have collapsed. That's the brother of the case!!!

[ivan2022]

Yes, but first Prigozhin would have been shot, of course... And they would have done the right thing. And Wagner would become a guards division. That's the brother of the case!!!

In my opinion, something is jammed with your perception. A combat-ready division created by Lieutenant Colonel Utkin and the Moscow Region cannot be separated from a billionaire with the formation of a pharmacist.

Or do you think that PMCs are created by pharmacists or grow on trees themselves?

[Wayfarer_2]

The problem is that "Wagner" most likely will not want to obey officers from the MoD for well-known reasons. At the same time, Wagner is unlikely to be able to do without parts of the Defense Ministry and equipment of the Defense Ministry in the current situation - the forces are too unequal. How will it be decided.