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Why do the military leave the ranks of the Moldavian army?

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Why do the military leave the ranks of the Moldavian army?Recently, military experts have increasingly noted the decline in the popularity of the national army of Moldova among the population. The Ministry of Defense of the Republic also does not hide the lack of interest among citizens in the service, both under contract and upon appeal. It is worth noting the low moral and psychological level of contract servicemen. The military leadership is carrying out active information work to correct a similar situation, but so far this work does not bring positive results.

What is the reason for the current situation in the troops? Currently, the training of officers for the national army is mainly carried out in the Military College of the Municipality "Alexandru cel Bun" (now the Military Academy). In addition, many Moldovan military personnel are trained in military schools abroad, primarily in NATO countries, such as Romania, Turkey, France, Great Britain, Germany and the United States. Some military personnel were trained in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. However, they are all not sure about their future after graduation. Due to the short-sightedness of Moldovan politicians, military personnel at different times of the newest Moldovan stories subjected to numerous purges for political reasons.

Until 2000, emphasis was placed on dismissing Soviet officers from the ranks of the armed forces, as carriers of Soviet military thinking, which did not fit in with the personnel policy of the new military leadership in the light of the desire to join NATO. After 2000, against the background of the Romanian sentiments of the then President V. Voronin, a wave of dismissals of officers with Western education began. And in this and in another case, it hit hard the moral and psychological state of the officer corps.

For the period from 1992 to the present, the army has been practicing assigning officer ranks to former warrant officers on a clan and kinship basis. This further affected the prestige of the officer’s rank, as people from this category of military personnel do not have sufficient military knowledge and military culture. Experts also note a tendency to dismiss young lieutenants from the army. Graduates of various educational institutions massively dismissed from military service (up to 80 percent), seeing no prospects, no material or career growth. At the same time, practice has shown that graduates of Romanian military schools do not have sufficient professional skills to start a career.

From 2004, the institute of political police was introduced into the army, where they were engaged in the real persecution of dissident officers. With the change of the country's leadership in 2009, the institute of political police in the person of the Information and Analysis Directorate (Military Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense) changed the course of action and now continues to monitor the morale of the officers.

An important role in weakening the moral and psychological state of the army was played by the military prosecutor's office of Moldova. On the basis of minor offenses, many militant and competent officers were expelled from the army on trumped-up charges. At the same time, the high-profile crimes of the leadership of the Defense Ministry remain unexplored until the present moment (example of the Minister of Defense V. Marinuts, who allowed the Romanian special services to the secret communication channels of the Defense Ministry).

Not so long ago, the official website of the Ministry of Defense published a document entitled “Increasing the attractiveness of military service under contract”, containing an analysis of the reasons for the unpopularity of military service and ways to solve this problem. According to a study conducted by military experts, currently 75 percent. sergeants and soldiers are conscripts and only 25 percent. - contract soldiers. At the same time, according to the program of strategic development of the Ministry of Defense on 2012-2014 years, one hundred percent of the soldiers and sergeants must serve on a contract basis. The department, however, doubts that this task will be accomplished, given the current unattractiveness of the contract service.

The military reform of 2009-2010, carried out by the ruling bloc of parties, also had a catastrophic effect on the material situation and benefits of contract servicemen. One of the main negative factors in this sense is the low salaries of privates and sergeants. The bottom payout bar is set at 2600 Lei and 2800 Lei ($ 211 and $ 227), respectively, and the top one reaches a maximum of 4600 Lei ($ 373).

Another reason for the unattractiveness of the contract service is the cancellation in 2010 of the year of compensation for the military for rented accommodation. In the same year, other social guarantees were canceled, such as compensation for travel expenses to a place of rest and compensation for unused sanatorium vouchers.

A survey among military personnel showed that the order of 40 percent. sergeants consider the abolition of compensation one of the most painful problems. Other reasons for the unattractiveness of the military profession are overloaded work schedules, outdated equipment and compulsory recruitment.

According to the Ministry of Defense, if urgent measures are not taken to remedy the situation, in the long run the shortage of soldiers and sergeants of the national army will certainly affect the quality of military activities and tasks that the army must perform. The Ministry of Defense is not yet ready to solve all these painful problems, since huge funds are needed for the salaries of contract servicemen and for their professional training. In addition, the lack of a solid, scientifically-based personnel policy, in general, determines the low moral and psychological state of the officer personnel.
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  1. ughhh
    ughhh 23 November 2012 12: 33
    +3
    And what for them the army? From the Nazis defend themselves?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 November 2012 12: 45
      +17
      Quote: ughhh

      And what for them the army?

      The army in such countries is an attempt to raise patriotism no more. To resist it, it is not even able theoretically to any of the neighboring countries. They are thrown into the wind and no more. There is the same story with the Baltic states, there are show-offs, but no army. Such armies can withstand only their own population.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 23 November 2012 13: 35
        +18
        Alexander Romanov,
        There is the same story with the Baltic states, there are show-offs, but no army.

        Estonia declared war on Iran. After a month of bloody battles, they reached the Latvian border.

        War. The first day. The Germans captured Estonia.
        War. Second day. The Russians recaptured Estonia.
        War. Day Three The Germans captured Estonia.
        War. Day four. The Russians recaptured Estonia.
        War. Fifth day. Estonian border guards raised the alarm.

        Crime news. The Estonian mafia still controls 30% of the shares of JSC "MMM".
        1. psv_company
          psv_company 23 November 2012 14: 31
          +6
          War. Day ten. The Estonian army began collecting reservists and mobilizing the army.
          War. Fifteenth day. Berlin is taken by the Russians. The Estonian army approached the borders of Estonia and was immediately disbanded.
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 23 November 2012 14: 50
          +12
          Estonian intelligence agents were creeping up to our headquarters,
          Residents of all the surrounding villages came to look at it .........
          1. Simon
            Simon 23 November 2012 15: 37
            +2
            . GOOD JOKE!
      2. Simon
        Simon 23 November 2012 15: 43
        +1
        Most importantly, we Russians have nothing to fear that Moldova will attack us. soldier
        1. VictorRO
          VictorRO 23 November 2012 17: 03
          +1
          Corruptionists are a more dangerous enemy than any army in the world. But Moldova is not afraid of anything - neutral country
        2. Gluxar
          Gluxar 23 November 2012 18: 45
          +2
          Moldova is our ally, despite the political games of the elites. Moldova is forced to defend itself not from the Russians or Transnistria, but from the Romanians.
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 16
            -3
            And what are Romania afraid of? Are there ghouls or nonhumans there? What a phobia
        3. VictorRO
          VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 13
          +1
          What Serdyukov did for the Russian Army is the same as a small war but with great losses.
      3. Gluxar
        Gluxar 23 November 2012 18: 43
        +3
        What nonsense ... Any sovereign state needs an army, this is the basis of the foundations.
        And such a state as Moldova can have a more than combat-ready army. All sorts of military blocs are created to repel the aggression of larger ones by the efforts of several small states.
        Moldova needs its own armed forces at least to repel Romania’s attack if something happens. As for the examples, look at Israel. Let with foreign help, but a small and very combat-ready state.
        1. Blat
          Blat 24 November 2012 14: 02
          0
          But does Romania attack us? I just don’t see a reason to attack us. Or maybe they need to urgently allocate their money to pull us up economically. The capercaillie did not try to analyze his scribble?
          1. Gluxar
            Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 07
            0
            try to read correctly what was written above, maybe then don’t ask stupid questions.
            "If something happens" it means that if today's attempt to subjugate Moldova through corrupt politicians and all sorts of off-budget funds fails. Then the question of possible military, including provocations, will arise. So far, there are no such prerequisites, but you cannot create an army in a week.
      4. 53-Sciborskiy
        53-Sciborskiy 23 November 2012 19: 19
        +5
        A bomb was discovered at a station in Chisinau. The Ministry of Defense brings its gratitude - this is the fifth bomb that entered the arsenal of the Moldovan army.
        1. VictorRO
          VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 27
          0
          Very funny ....... Better look at the moldy wine. Here it is necessary to drink :)
        2. VictorRO
          VictorRO 23 November 2012 21: 20
          +1
          But what can you say about this - http://topwar.ru/21325-skandal-detali-dlya-raket-po-goszakazu-shtampovali-v-gara
          zhe.html
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 23 November 2012 12: 56
      +16
      Throw me tomatoes, but the Moldovan army initially sounds like a joke.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 23 November 2012 16: 12
        0
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Throw me tomatoes

        I don’t know about tomatoes, but obviously, they decided to fight with chemical weapons of mass destruction:
        “In the first five months of 2012, 97,5 million liters of wine were imported to Russia, which is 9 million liters more than a year earlier. Against the background of the relative stagnation of wine leaders, sharp rates of wine supply from the former Soviet republics stand out - Of Moldova and Ukraine. Moldovans, who managed to find a common language with Rospotrebnadzor, predictably increased supplies to Russia - by 3,8 million liters compared to the same period in 2011. The total volume of wine imports from Moldova in the first five months of 2012 amounted to 9,5 million liters. "Http://www.vinograd-ua.com/news/rossijskie-potrebiteli-perekljuchilisj-n
        a-vina-iz-moldavii-i-ukrainy-
        So in the conditions of "wine aggression" the guards are not needed! drinks Be afraid danians Moldavians, the gifts of bringing ... laughing
        1. upasika1918
          upasika1918 23 November 2012 18: 34
          +3
          I don’t know how it is now, but in the days of the USSR, "Feteaska" was - zergut. And the vintage one is great. They drank like citro. And the head did not hurt in the morning. "Metaxa", "Slynchev Bryag" and "Feteaska" - Now I remember with gratitude to winemakers, Greeks, Bulgarians and Moldovans.
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 21
            +2
            Nothing has changed, on the contrary, the nomenclature has expanded :) Here is my little bar :) Yes, and we celebrate Wine Day every year!
            1. bootlegger
              bootlegger 23 November 2012 22: 41
              0
              Fourth from the left, in the bottom row - "Kalarash - 7 years". We sold it for a while, but now it is gone, but it was a good brandy, and it was inexpensive.
              1. VictorRO
                VictorRO 24 November 2012 15: 52
                0
                enlarged compartment from the center hi
            2. VictorRO
              VictorRO 24 November 2012 15: 50
              0
              enlarged separation of law hi
          2. papas-57
            papas-57 23 November 2012 23: 11
            0
            And my head did not hurt in the morning.
            AND WHAT DOES IT HURT? THERE IS THE SAME BONE.
            1. VictorRO
              VictorRO 24 November 2012 15: 53
              0
              enlarged left compartment hi
        2. VictorRO
          VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 18
          +3
          By the way, the Bouquet of Moldova is made in Transnistria :)
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 24 November 2012 15: 54
            +1
            office on the right (below) in an enlarged view hi
            1. bootlegger
              bootlegger 24 November 2012 19: 20
              0
              In general, I tried Kalarash of various exposure times, from 3 to 12 years.
              Good brandy, what can I say. I will put it on the same level with cognac from the Balti Cognac Factory. Aroma cognacs, I liked less, although they are also good.
              In Balti, I tried almost the entire range from 3 to 40 years old in 2006. Konyaki Sofia is 33 years old and the President is 40 masterpieces in general. I envy such opportunities, for good.
              1. bootlegger
                bootlegger 24 November 2012 19: 43
                0
                At the plant in Balti.
      2. mda
        mda 23 November 2012 18: 12
        0
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        but the Moldovan army initially sounds like a joke.

        like a very funny joke
      3. VictorRO
        VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 34
        +2
        Why toss with tomatoes. Come and visit and taste the wines of the 200 km long Milestii Mici cellar, listed in the Guinness Book of Records as containing the largest number of bottles of wine in the world :)
        1. VictorRO
          VictorRO 24 November 2012 15: 58
          0
          Gloria’s 1990 Platoon Reserve Platoon is no longer on sale drinks
    3. stray
      stray 23 November 2012 12: 58
      +4
      they don’t have enough lei for mamalyga and even generals' posts.
      1. Lissyara
        Lissyara 23 November 2012 14: 19
        +3
        What attacked the Estonians? They even have the Air Force, not counting a dozen general-purpose helicopters, as many as two attached to the Belgian Air Force F-16. wassat

        Jokes inspired:

        In order to conduct exercises, the Estonian Defense Forces were forced to borrow a tank from neighboring Latvia, since there simply weren’t any of their own here.

        Mongolian General Staff before the exercises. Chief of General Staff:
        - So, we have infantry, cavalry too. Tankers, what do you say?
        - We launch one tank from the front, the second, if we find a solarium, will go to the flank.
        - What will aviation say?
        - There will be no aviation, the pilot got sick.
        “What will the fleet say?”
        “There will be no fleet either.” The Chinese stole all the oars from the boats.

        The Mongolian Air Force kite crashed yesterday. Mongolia no longer has an air force. After this incident, the chief of the General Staff shot himself. Now there is no ammunition in Mongolia ...
        1. Simon
          Simon 23 November 2012 15: 39
          0
          Interestingly, do Estonians fly planes?
          1. Lantau
            Lantau 23 November 2012 15: 48
            +1
            Paper fly exactly fellow
          2. Lissyara
            Lissyara 23 November 2012 15: 48
            0
            Belgian patrols. But they have the following system, periodically the NATO pair is changing (in plan from different countries). As far as I understand, the same situevina in Latvia and Lithuania.
      2. VictorRO
        VictorRO 23 November 2012 20: 16
        +1
        So that in Ukraine the situation of military personnel is even worse than in Moldova. My schoolmates from Ukraine are mostly without apartments and my pension is not very good. And do not worry about the generals - they live well in all countries and you would dream about the retirement of the General of Moldova :)
    4. mda
      mda 23 November 2012 18: 10
      0
      Quote: ughhh

      And what for them the army? From the Nazis defend themselves?

      Transnistria scare lol
    5. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 18: 47
      +1
      I agree, we would only leave the border guards and all.
    6. lotus04
      lotus04 23 November 2012 19: 18
      0
      Quote: ughhh
      And what for them the army? From the Nazis defend themselves?


      Pancake! So what is left! What to discuss this crap!
  2. leon-iv
    leon-iv 23 November 2012 12: 33
    +5
    In Russia, it is more profitable to lay tiles than to serve them.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 23 November 2012 13: 43
      +1
      okay, good at writing, went to work, goodbye to everyone wink
  3. strannik595
    strannik595 23 November 2012 12: 34
    0
    I thought that there was only an army of plasterers-painters ........... and it won ............ The Moldavian Ferris wheel makes 1 concrete mixtures for 7 revolution.
  4. YARY
    YARY 23 November 2012 12: 35
    +5
    Well, nice, it grows like a snowball under the May sun, Transnistria will live calmer.
    1. Gluxar
      Gluxar 23 November 2012 18: 51
      +3
      Do you really think that Moldovans threaten Transnistria? The whole problem in this region is in the Romanians and their masters from across the ocean. And Moldova needs its own army, an extra counterweight to pressure from Romania. Simply, the army should be balanced and sharpened for a specific political situation. But this is just the problem. Today they sold out to the Romanians, tomorrow they seemed to have grown wiser and changed their minds, today again with price tags ...
      If you have already decided that Romania is the main potential adversary, then get ready for this.
  5. strannik595
    strannik595 23 November 2012 12: 43
    +5
    I thought that there was only an army of plasterers-painters ........... and it won ............ The Moldavian Ferris wheel makes 1 concrete mixtures for 7 revolution. wassat
    1. UPStoyan
      UPStoyan 23 November 2012 13: 20
      0
      So she's probably doing this. Something I have not heard about the teachings of the Moldovan army. The tiles are laid and plastered in the same way, only within the country and for an "internal" salary.
      1. Simon
        Simon 23 November 2012 15: 47
        0
        Is it that they are building the great Moldovan wall, in the likeness of the Chinese, for defense against external enemies.?
    2. 1946095andrey
      1946095andrey 23 November 2012 15: 50
      +1
      Quote: strannik595
      The Moldavian Ferris wheel makes 1 concrete batches in 7 revolution. wassat

      why do you offend people, smart !!! That Russia is not better than you. Chubais will soon make it worse !!!
      1. stray
        stray 23 November 2012 19: 45
        +1
        Yes, no, dear, better.
  6. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 23 November 2012 13: 28
    +2
    Let the military go to the Russian army, it will be right! wassat
    1. 1946095andrey
      1946095andrey 23 November 2012 15: 59
      0
      Correctly and I think so, fraternal peoples!
    2. VictorRO
      VictorRO 23 November 2012 18: 46
      0
      Do you think the conditions are better? In a nutshell, it’s not about the combat readiness and ability of the Moldovan army to attack Russia, but about the conditions of service. All brigades are located in cities, moreover, which are larger. Parts in the countryside are a couple and those are 3 soldiers each. Moldova will travel faster and faster than Moscow. What to serve in the south and in the north is almost the same. There is no war. Almost all officers will finish some courses at least once per service starting from Romania to the USA. A little more than 1 troops are not provided with apartments. True, since 1000 this charm has been canceled - but now they are working on exchanging the territory of parts for apartments. I personally received a certificate for an apartment in 2010 (having been retired for 2007 years) - with this money (7 euros) I bought 48000 sq.m. new housing in Chisinau and everything is OK! Before that I lived in a hostel of the Moscow Region (100 sq.m.) Now tell me the conditions of service in Russia. I, as a military man, are not interested in what muscles in Russia and how those who make up this muscle live. I’m sure that in general the situation of the Russian military is worse than those who serve in Moldova, so it’s unlikely that they will trample en masse into the Russian Army or those who have not served there before.
  7. kopar
    kopar 23 November 2012 13: 29
    0
    The weaker their army, the less creeps on Transnistria. And why do they need an army ?! They can’t wait until they unite with Romania .....
    1. skullcap
      skullcap 23 November 2012 14: 42
      +5
      At our car wash, the guys from Moldova work. We already know quite well.
      To the questions: "What is it they are doing there from time to time?" - they answer that these are all sorts of writers, journalists and other idlers. And the people do not need this, they are in their mass for the Union.
      It turns out that in Moldova, as well as in Russia, and indeed in Ukraine, and probably everywhere - educators with their venom of greatness are working hard against their peoples. Who - for the grants, and who just on their own foolishness.
      And the vector of development in the direction of Romania is a decent person, knowing the behavior of this artificial state formation both in 1 and in 2 in world wars, cannot be accepted.
      If Poland is a European hyena, then Romania is its jackal.
      Therefore, they still cannot drag the people into Romania, that people still remember the stories of their grandfathers about the Romanians.
      1. 1946095andrey
        1946095andrey 23 November 2012 15: 58
        0
        skullcap,
        That's true .. I have all the relatives from the Transnistria, they are for an alliance with Russia and only with Russia, they do not like Ukraine .....
      2. VictorRO
        VictorRO 23 November 2012 17: 00
        +1
        When was the last time in Poland? Go and see how it has changed over the past 5 years - the roads that all the former USSR did not dream of and people are very friendly. I travel constantly through Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania, and there are practically no problems for a foreigner - the entire service is smiling and there is no problem throwing cars with ADR cargo into the parking lot. In general, you don’t need to try to insult someone - not knowing the reality, but first you need to put things in order in your country so that others envy and catch up with it. And you will find individual idiots in any country.
        1. Gluxar
          Gluxar 23 November 2012 19: 01
          0
          Well, apart from Warsaw and the surrounding area, then for the most part a broken country with a bunch of half-empty villages. I didn’t see anything pleasing to the eye. But this is if you turn off from transit routes and tourist centers, but tourists are not allowed there.
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 20: 39
            +1
            And compare with theirs as they say, half-empty villages and Russian. And who does not let tourists in - what are you talking about? Having a Schengen visa, a hedgehog wherever you want but no more than 5 days of transit to countries other than the one for which you received a visa. I drive Poland from the border of Ukraine (Rossoshani) to Zelenaya Gora (90 km from the border with Germany) - almost right through - and then down to Slovakia and everything is OK there! And nobody limits me there.
        2. upasika1918
          upasika1918 23 November 2012 19: 01
          0
          Things are good? But it was done for borrowed money. Children and grandchildren will give it away. Forty years ago, Greece took this path. Roads, resorts, etc. appeared. Big salaries and pensions. The grandchildren have grown up and they will now tear seven skins from them, the next forty years. More than 3,5 million emigrants - isn't it too much for a "prosperous" Poland? With a population of 38,7 million (2001). In Georgia, the statistics on debt and emigration are even worse.
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 21: 13
            0
            In Greece, there was real communism - more than 60 professions including plumbers retired at the age of 50, 13 and 14 salaries despite the fact that they did not bend their backs at work as they do now. There was a speech by their union leader who replied that their EU spoiled money. But it’s their own fault.
            Applied to debt. So what if the US debt is large - the average standard of living is much ahead of Russia and Moldova, although we do not have such debts and we will not reach their level for another 1000 years. Who cares who will repay these debts - and whether they will be repaid. Rather, the United States organizes a war and everything is written off. Name at least one president of Russia after the collapse of the USSR, who did not criticize the past government and did not promise a bright future - and where it came from - and what do you have 3 lives to check which of the following will fulfill its promise? Or are you now no longer removing 3 skins? And what's the difference?
            In crises, migration is the only way to peacefully remove social attire from where they flee and the impetus for those countries to which they have come. Russia now also needs millions of migrants. Otherwise, after 20 years it will not be able to restrain its lands due to the demographic decline. All developed countries went through migration processes and nothing - we would owe it
            1. upasika1918
              upasika1918 23 November 2012 22: 13
              +2
              Poland's debt is 245 billion &. (This is half of GDP. But it does not print money. And it will have to repay debts.) As for my skin, I have no debts. And as for you, you have answers to everything. But I've already heard them. And they are not yours. And my question is this: Before "freedom" the Poles, Hungarians, Czechs did not smile, were not honest and good, drowned in mud and impassability?
              1. VictorRO
                VictorRO 24 November 2012 12: 13
                0
                No, they didn’t drown in mud and were friendly at that time, but in the years 85-90 I personally saw that there were steam locomotives in Poland (he served 5 years in the SSVG). When you constantly travel to these countries you see changes that are especially striking - the roads and despite the fact that they constantly cut and support them. The road tax is big - but the roads are good
            2. Gluxar
              Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 17
              0
              The problem is not only in "Greek communism". a problem in all countries of the Eurozone, and even more so in Poland. Debt is too bad, whatever you think. And in the USA, everything is not so smooth, but it will only get worse, much worse. And the fact that in all states there are a large number of people who vote for secession from the United States also indicates the real state of affairs.
              As for Poland, I saw there collapse and desolation, just in rural areas. This is not critical of course, but it indicates that real production and agriculture in the country have collapsed. So this despite the fact that Poland kicked a bunch of debts supposedly for development, but did not build anything. The consequences of such a policy will not be long in coming. As soon as foreign investments and subsidies for Poland cease, you will feel all the charm of the chosen path. This applies to all countries of Eastern Europe.
        3. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 19: 14
          +1
          They are very friendly, especially when Russian fans were beaten at the European Football Championship. There are friendly people everywhere, but when the question comes to politics, I think not everything is so smooth.
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 49
            +1
            This is another problem. It is visible on this forum as well. I communicate in Poland in Russian - there were no problems! And football is a separate "country" in which everyone temporarily goes crazy after the match.
      3. Gluxar
        Gluxar 23 November 2012 18: 58
        0
        The problem is that Russia still does not pay due attention to this problem. Although I look forward to a change in this regard, especially after the end of the battle "for Ukraine". If Ukraine joins the ranks of its brothers, the problems of the blockade and the Dniester region will be lifted. The perspective of the issue of uniting Moldova and Pridnestrovie will change, and in this form, the course of Moldova will change dramatically. Then the army of Moldova is just needed to counter the Romanians. For now the latter are betting on the slow economic and cultural absorption of Modavia, but when this becomes impossible they will act much harder.
      4. vardex
        vardex 24 November 2012 04: 09
        0
        The guys from the car wash said correctly, I completely agree, the Moldovans always wanted to live in the Soviet Union — no one in our country respects the Romanians and is not going to connect with them, believe that this is so.
        1. Gluxar
          Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 21
          0
          Unfortunately, people cannot always control their destiny. The elites sold themselves to the Romanians and their masters, they want to Romanize Moldova in every possible way, to destroy the very concept of Moldova. So far, all such provocations are taking place in cultural and ideological spaces. But it is precisely the weakness of the state, including militarily, that allows the opponents of Moldova to behave so freely and unceremoniously.
    2. 1946095andrey
      1946095andrey 23 November 2012 15: 52
      +1
      Quote: copar
      Romania will unite .....

      there will be a civil war in this case, Transnistrians will not go to such a thing !!! there the people do not want unification with Romania puppet power !!
      1. VictorRO
        VictorRO 23 November 2012 17: 07
        0
        And ask how many Transdniestrians have citizenship of Moldova and Romania :) Ordinary people do not care whose citizenship would only freely move around the world :)
        1. Gluxar
          Gluxar 23 November 2012 19: 02
          +1
          Freedom of movement is good. That's just the ideology of the Romanians there will never be accepted. 20 years already browned and all down the drain.
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 59
            0
            What ideology? I’ve been living here since 1993 and I know Russians who have Romanian citizenship - do you think they are traitors? No - they just got tired of waiting for the visa-free travel issues to be resolved. I’m not talking about Moldova - who could obtain citizenship - he now has no obstacles to moving. But it boasts of sovereignty and independence - but you cannot go to a neighboring village without a visa ....... this is the USSR and that’s it. In general, the more you travel, the more you become convinced of the fictitiousness of the big words of our taxi drivers who have a diplomatic passport and hammer on our heads about patriotism with a hammer. You travel across Europe and there are no borders and barbed wire and no one is afraid of enemies and anyone moves wherever he wants and the laws work regardless that some country is richer, some modest. And everything for people - especially expensive. Bridges specifically for wild animals to cross autobahns. Look around you and take away that this is not being done for us and for people. I'll find a photo.
            1. Gluxar
              Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 33
              0
              The ideology of the Nazis and Great Romanians. That says it all. As for freedom of movement, this is always a difficult question. The only problem is that you have to pay for freedom of movement with your love for your own people. Not Moldovans or Pridnestrovians fenced off from the whole world and Europe, it was surrounded and crushed by all means just because they do not want to be like everyone else, because they remember their ancestors and are not ready to sell their soul for the sake of beautiful words. such PEOPLE with a capital letter are not tolerated in Europe, everything should be the same there, only divided into castes. This has already been in history before, under the fascists. Only then they immediately went by force, and today they first try to powder their brains. As for the state’s concern for its people, there’s no need to carry nonsense. You have not been to Russia for a long time, if ever you have been. And about roads, this is also from Russophobic horror stories of the 19th century. Roads are better than in most of Europe. And the level of social security is higher and subsidies for many categories of citizens, if you work morally, then you have everything, only it's all yours and not on credit like your Western partners.
      2. Gluxar
        Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 23
        0
        Transnistria is actually an independent country. But I think most Moldovans will oppose such an alliance with Romania, is that what they can do? When the authorities sold their people it is difficult to defend their own interests, the people will not trample against machine guns.
    3. Gluxar
      Gluxar 23 November 2012 18: 53
      +1
      The army of Moldova is needed not for the war with Transnistria, but for the defense of its sovereignty from the attacks of the Romanians. States with such problems in the economy and demography should care about protecting sovereignty, and not about aggressive campaigns.
    4. VictorRO
      VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 09
      +1
      What a creep. I communicate and have friends in Transnistria - in general for the common people, all these tales about unification with Romania, etc. are needed to rob the population from the tops in Moldova, which is in Transnistria. What revealed how the power in Transnistria changed - that they stole the entire foreign exchange reserve! and now only one thing. - and the people both lived and live only problems. Russia has its interests in Transnistria and therefore the fire will always be maintained in this fire. All countries are doing so stronger in relation to others - and there are no lofty goals there.
      1. Gluxar
        Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 38
        0
        Encroachments on the sovereignty of Moldova and the Moldavian people, on their memory and on their truth. When a number of officials claim that there is no Moldovan people and never was, it is a fact of a clear democratization of the brain of such a monkey. Unfortunately, in Romanian society there are a majority of such people; apparently, a repeat of 70 years of purging is needed.
        I also communicate with many Moldovans and everyone says that life in the SSR was much better and everyone wants a return, at least an alliance with the Russian Federation. Most are dissatisfied with the authorities, but throwing them away is not so simple. Western partners are already pouring heavily into various projects of romanization. One thing everyone says, if this goes on and on there will be a civil war and that Moldova will never enter into an alliance with Romania.
  8. Blat
    Blat 23 November 2012 13: 32
    +3
    At the same time, practice has shown that graduates of Romanian military educational institutions do not have sufficient professional skills to start a career.
    but this statement is absolutely untrue. I had professors of moldy lieutenants who graduated from the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Romania. These were real police officers already at the age of 22. And the battalion commander was an army lieutenant who was educated in Romania. At least he made us hell out of life parts of discipline, but there was no one who would not respect him.
    1. Lantau
      Lantau 23 November 2012 13: 45
      0
      Blat
      I was educated by Moldovan lieutenants who graduated from the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in Romania

      And what does the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Romania and the Moldavian Army?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 23 November 2012 14: 13
        0
        Quote: Lantau
        And what does the Academy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Romania and the Moldavian Army?

        It would be more correct to ask the question: why does Moldova need an army if there is an army of "fraternal" Romania?
        1. Gluxar
          Gluxar 23 November 2012 19: 04
          +1
          The army of Moldova is needed so that in case of what, ask the Romanians to move back
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 19: 44
            0
            Any army is needed first of all in order to make men out of milk-suckers, since war is a rare thing (except for a few countries that have been in war for decades).
            1. Gluxar
              Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 40
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              In order to make men out of "suckers" we need adequate parents. This is more than enough. The army is needed to destroy foreign invaders, to teach men how to kill. Do not substitute concepts.
      2. Blat
        Blat 23 November 2012 14: 15
        0
        I’m talking about the fact that they are well trained. There is no corruption there like in our educational institutions and the level of the teaching staff is quite high among them. As far as I know, teachers, doctors and policemen, as it were, in the country it was not bad that they always had a decent salary in Romania. that, and they cherish their intelligentsia. Here I’m about this. And you won’t get to Romania in the military institution
        1. Lantau
          Lantau 23 November 2012 15: 01
          +3
          There is no corruption in Romania, well, you made me laugh. I have experience in personal communication with border guards and customs officers of Romania. So do not tell tales here.
          1. VictorRO
            VictorRO 23 November 2012 16: 04
            +1
            Experience is a good thing, but there some things even at Romanian customs change radically in 6 months. I accompany dangerous goods in Europe to Moldova since 2008 - the last time was 2 weeks ago and each time easier and without bribes - but any deviation from the law - ug. business. In May this year excited and for us because of the ignorance of the law by the new inspector. During the 2 days of the arrest of the transport, 5 services were involved, and by the end of the second day the prosecutor closed the police department and returned the transport. In Moldova, we sued customs for 2 years until I returned the money. So much for Romania. Not to mention the roads, service, etc. Compared with us and Russia-they have ridiculous corruption :) we would have such!
            Now about the preparation at the Academy of Romania. I graduated from SVVKIU RV in 85, served in the USSR until 91, then in Russia until 93 and then in Moldova until 2000, and retired. I completed 2 retraining courses in the USSR and 2 in Romania (including MI at the Academy) and I have something to compare. The training process is basically the same except for the attitude of the state towards teachers and cadets or those who are retraining. They still have a very good principle - the officer is an OFFICER and not the senior at the barrier or the senior of the car. The officer will not turn the nuts on the car - for this there are lower ranks + relationships - you can envy. Yes, their weapons are mostly still old - but after all - for starters there must be normal conditions for the military. Neither Russia nor Moldova can boast of such conditions - and as to whose army is stronger, it would be better for KSHU to stay on the maps and go to each other to relax and have fun. :)
          2. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 23 November 2012 16: 53
            +1
            Quote: Lantau
            I have experience in personal communication with border guards and customs officers of Romania. So do not tell tales here.

            Ostap Ibrahimovic Bender also had the experience of communicating with the Romanian border guards and immediately wanted to become a house manager.
    2. Simon
      Simon 23 November 2012 15: 55
      +3
      There was a time when during the Second World War our battalions, the vaunted armies of the Romanians, were taken prisoner without firing. The Romanians were bad warriors, from one of our tanks they abandoned their positions. But the Germans did not trust them.
      1. VictorRO
        VictorRO 23 November 2012 16: 44
        0
        Leave you the story alone. History is always one-sided - whoever won is right, and it is independent who attacked or who defended. WWII is a thing of the past. I watched a lot of documentaries on the u-tube about the war in Chechnya and there was only one conclusion - OFFICERS and SOLDIERS threw Russia. I have a lot of military friends in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Romania, and I'm not interested in anyone with a longer barrel or a larger projectile - everyone has one problem - the attitude of the state towards the military man. Someone is better at someone worse - and it is necessary to strive for better conditions and not to insult each other. In general, warriors are bonded people and it is necessary to honor them all - it is necessary to judge those who taxied and brewed porridge.
        1. Gluxar
          Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 45
          0
          Again, this is with you, but with us, those who live here are actually quite different. The state has not thrown anyone, even in the most difficult days. officers and soldiers have always served and continue to serve the homeland, and not for the loot. This is the insurmountable difference between the Russian World and the Western World.
    3. Gluxar
      Gluxar 23 November 2012 19: 02
      0
      Well, this is according to Romanian standards, but for other countries this is not enough.
  9. Lantau
    Lantau 23 November 2012 13: 35
    0
    Moldavian army, is that such a joke? Laughed heartily lol
    1. VictorRO
      VictorRO 23 November 2012 18: 59
      0
      Where did he serve whom?
      1. Lantau
        Lantau 24 November 2012 07: 15
        0
        You do not remind me when we switched to you?
  10. leon-iv
    leon-iv 23 November 2012 13: 59
    0
    By the way, my father-in-law told me that there was no Moldovan pilot in the SAF. tongue
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara 23 November 2012 14: 43
      +3
      No, they are khyanki khanki, but among any nation there is its own Lomonosov.
      A guy from Moldova studied with me (or rather, at a neighboring faculty), so he graduated from college with a gold medal. Moreover, military engineering. soldier
      1. Blat
        Blat 23 November 2012 16: 35
        +1
        but I know a bunch of threesomes in our country who easily graduate from educational institutions in Russia. heap, but there is one fat plus. There is a difference between city and village in terms of standard of living, but there is no huge gap as in Russia.
        1. vardex
          vardex 23 November 2012 17: 40
          +2
          I agree with what was said, but the Russians shouldn’t laugh at us, but better think about what’s going on in your army, you get some kind of fagots, the stools control it and rob it in full, now the fireman is in charge of it, anyone but the military , put Onishchenko as the Minister of Defense will be more confused .. Compare yourself not with the Moldavian army but with the American one, you’re afloat thanks to the backlog of the Soviet Union — or rather, thanks to Comrade STALIN — who you mud every day every minute ......
          1. Alexander Petrovich
            Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 19: 09
            0
            And what, sir, do you know about the American army? Maybe enlighten? There they are hammering in the ass for better than in the Russian army. Or are you guided by the discovery channel? And why are you talking. that Russia is afloat thanks to someone, I don’t understand what you are driving this to? Everyone exists thanks to someone, even the United States thanks to Russia. which first responded to help the then rebels in the colony. And who is pouring mud on Stalin? And why not laugh at Moldova when your own citizens laugh at it? Of course, you are not pleased to read my comment, but know, I’m not ashamed to write all this, I myself am a Moldavian, Russian is Ivan, who does not remember kinship and the Moldavian is the same.
            1. Blat
              Blat 23 November 2012 19: 32
              +1
              Alexander Petrovich. the truth is one. that we have that there is a mess in Russia. the only difference is that in Russia officials are stealing and where they come from, and in Moldova officials are stealing even without any resource. our official is cooler))))))))) )))))))))))))) by the way, the American colonists then helped France because there was a strategic interest))))))))))))))))
              1. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 23: 34
                0
                France only joined Russia, it was Catherine the Great who initiated it, so they would have thought of horseradish.
            2. vardex
              vardex 24 November 2012 04: 29
              0
              You learn to listen, smoke, the United States exists thanks to Russia? Most likely as a raw materials appendage
          2. Gluxar
            Gluxar 24 November 2012 21: 49
            0
            You have very expired Russophobic brochures. Come to Russia and see everything with your own eyes, you will be very surprised. The Russian army has already proved its superiority to NATO standards in Georgia not so long ago. As for the comrades of the Americans, it can be super-people for you, for us they are ordinary crooks and thieves, like many centuries ago. They have the same army, they can only shoot innocents from drones, and open their veins in the toilet.
        2. Lissyara
          Lissyara 23 November 2012 22: 52
          0
          I was traveling in Moldova (even in transit), already at the time of the division of states into the CIS.
          When I was going to visit Chernivtsi for a classmate, I almost didn’t have enough when I saw the names in Latin. I thought that I accidentally got abroad. smile
    2. VictorRO
      VictorRO 23 November 2012 18: 53
      +1
      I can disappoint ........ it was only a bike :)
  11. broken
    broken 23 November 2012 14: 26
    0
    Well, in general, of course, it’s funny for people, but ... they mainly serve as border guards in the army, and of course the border needs to be protected even in such a small and poor country ... yes, there is no prestige .... I myself am not Moldavian, but I have been there and have friends. .. their army is mainly financed from abroad
    1. VictorRO
      VictorRO 23 November 2012 16: 47
      0
      Thanks for the support. However, the Army and the border guards are 2 different things. Now the border police are included in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Support is provided from outside and, as a rule, is not the latest.
      1. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 24 November 2012 01: 17
        0
        My friends served in the border guards of Moldova, they said the only place that can be called the army.
  12. Zorber
    Zorber 23 November 2012 14: 59
    0
    It's unpleasant of course to hear some comments. But the fact remains that we are not cool to serve nichrome. )))
    1. 1946095andrey
      1946095andrey 23 November 2012 15: 54
      0
      Quote: Zorber
      It's unpleasant of course to hear some comments.

      you're right, I'm sad too, the bitter truth!
    2. VictorRO
      VictorRO 23 November 2012 18: 21
      +1
      And ask someone cool in the army of those who are here on the forum :)
    3. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 18: 54
      0
      Well, this article did not surprise me at all. I myself have no better opinion of our army. In order to reach the highest rank, you must be an outspoken licking like my second cousin, who studies as an officer.
      1. VictorRO
        VictorRO 23 November 2012 20: 27
        +1
        Everywhere I had my distortions and I served in the brigade of 93-97 where, besides me, a chemist and a sapper, the rest of the chief service were from ensigns, but what should I do if there weren’t enough officers? Believe me, frank licking exists in all armies :) But at the same time, of all government agencies, the people of the army trust most of all. Like it or not, there is the least corruption that concerns ordinary people.
        1. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 23: 36
          0
          Because the army does not manage taxes and the economy of the country. therefore, trusts, and so, thieves everywhere.
      2. upasika1918
        upasika1918 23 November 2012 22: 34
        0
        Of the five of my classmates, the sons of officers who became military, three are Afghans 300. One was drunk, demoted, fired, homeless, now I don’t know where. The fifth, a senior citizen, is getting fat in the guard of Sailor's Silence.
        1. VictorRO
          VictorRO 24 November 2012 12: 14
          0
          You see, he answered the question how Russia relates to its MILITARY!
    4. Blat
      Blat 23 November 2012 19: 39
      0
      we serve to get rid of the right to serve in the armed forces of the Republic of Moldova. as in most conscript armies. 10% of the population are real patriots from the force and this is almost everywhere
      1. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 23: 37
        0
        Well, you’re probably right, at least I didn’t meet those who wanted to serve in our army, some do not want to fall into hazing. others kill the year, and the third m just do not like her.
  13. understudy
    understudy 23 November 2012 15: 10
    +1
    Captain Mage, later - Colonel. My cadet company commander. To the best of cunning Moldavian. They were angry at him terribly, but much, in particular, perseverance in achieving the set goal, was adopted from him.
  14. Khan
    Khan 23 November 2012 15: 17
    +3
    A state that cannot adequately support its army will contain another, most likely in this case Romanian.
    1. vardex
      vardex 23 November 2012 17: 47
      +4
      This applies to Russia in the first place .................
  15. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 23 November 2012 17: 11
    +2
    In 81, in April, my friend and I flew to Kishinev, to tovrish, after distribution he had already worked there for two years. We didn’t believe his stories that Moldova was rolling like cheese in butter, and when we arrived and he took us to the shops, they were crazy, we had never seen such an abundance of all kinds of products in the Kuban, not to mention industrial goods. We bought this at a border town at a flea market, which we did not see in Krasnodar in "Berezka". And the question is, should they fight for independence so that now they can barely make ends meet.
    1. VictorRO
      VictorRO 23 November 2012 18: 30
      +1
      81 ...... But would you try to serve in ZabVo (71st detour, Art. Aga-1) after the 90th - so I ask, why did Russia separate from the USSR. The problem is not what was once, it is necessary to talk about today because the living conditions of each individual are different in each individual state - one lives better, the other worse - but in general there is no big difference in the standard of living of Russia and Moldova. My father-in-law and mother-in-law live in Saratov come almost annually and are not overjoyed (I live in Chisinau and don’t pay, but I earn a living), therefore everything is relative.
      1. VictorRO
        VictorRO 23 November 2012 20: 56
        +1
        I found a photo of the 71st exit - 5 houses among hills. Romance and complete poverty :(
    2. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 23 November 2012 18: 52
      0
      Everything is absolutely true, mother from Rostov. when I came here in the late 80s. also was very surprised. But, on the contrary, we marvel at Rostov when we go there. It’s really hard for the common population, not by much more than you, but nevertheless, I’ve eaten enough, I live in a suburb of Chisinau.
  16. wax
    wax 23 November 2012 22: 07
    +1
    Every year in the autumn, it is necessary to carry out gatherings of reservists and send everyone to the grape harvest. There will be no sense.
    1. VictorRO
      VictorRO 24 November 2012 12: 05
      0
      This is correct and the relationship will improve :)
  17. Rossmk
    Rossmk 24 November 2012 00: 10
    -1
    Army? Ha! In Moldova! Haha And although, yes ... under the USSR, this could be called an army. With such an army, the Moldavians fight only with the aborigines. YES and why should they fight if nobody needs them. (Unless as one of the bridgeheads for the US missile defense)
    And at the expense of the Nazis ... they themselves breed them. I hope someone saw a video on YouTube in which a Moldavian teacher drives Russian and Russians.
    1. VictorRO
      VictorRO 24 November 2012 12: 04
      -1
      Tell me that there are no nationalists in Russia :) That teacher has already been punished by the god of microinfarction, they drove out of work and y. the case was filed. We have isolated cases - in Russia, steelheads, national bolsheviks, etc. are much more common. therefore, do not make a show out of this. In all countries, nationalists exist and will exist, for everything is connected with the electorate
      1. Rossmk
        Rossmk 24 November 2012 18: 56
        +1
        But in Russia such people are not allowed to be teachers, and if they are allowed to, they are silent in a rag.
  18. BorisBM
    BorisBM 6 January 2013 14: 48
    0
    So they had their own Taburetkin, under the command of the President, destroying his army.