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We really are not 37 year now. It's a pity

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We really are not 37 year now. It's a pitySuch reflections are suggested by the investigation of a corruption case in the Ministry of Defense.

“The investigation drew a chain for itself and is now trying to convince everyone of this. And where is Vasilyev, where is Serdyukov, why aren't they being interrogated? Why is my daughter alone otduvaetsya for the whole "Oboronservis"? ", - Olga Pozharskaya, the mother of the defendant in this loud case of Ekaterina Smetanova, asked in an interview with Izvestia yesterday. The questions are quite reasonable, and the answers to them, alas, are very predictable.

The investigation has been going on for quite a long time, but there is still no evidence for Serdyukov. They are not even to his closest comrade Vasilyeva, who is suspiciously long in the clinic “after a small operation”. The latter means that the investigators are still unable to approach the former minister. Yesterday’s public friction between the TFR and the Ministry of Internal Affairs may have arisen on this basis, the source of Vedomosti, who is close to the investigation, said. And the statement of the “talking head” of the Investigative Committee, Vladimir Markin, that the ex-minister of defense could soon be interrogated, was considered premature in the presidential administration, the newspaper writes, referring to its information from near-Kremlin circles.

Moreover, according to the media, the investigation team was explicitly forbidden to take Serdyukov into the development, although she has evidence of the involvement of the former minister in this criminal case. “When the guys who took Vasilyev were asked by the authorities:“ Well, what about Serdyukov? Let's work with him, ”it was clearly said:“ That's it, stop. Nothing else will be. They also told you that this is not a 1937 year, ”Gazeta.ru quotes an anonymous interlocutor with regard to the investigation.

Recall that about the 37 year spoke at the end of last week, none other than President Vladimir Putin, when he commented on the failed appointment of Serdyukov in "Russian Technologies". It turns out that the leaders of the investigation took his words as a recommendation to restrain the ardor? If so, it’s time to ask: what was it then? Is there really a large-scale fight against corruption, or is something else happening, hidden from the eyes of the general public?

Observers admit that this is a diversified response of the authorities to new challenges. According to the Levada Center, 80% of Russians call corruption one of the main Russian problems, and the Public Opinion Foundation cites data from the March poll, in which 44% of respondents in Moscow believe that the level of corruption rises, and even 43% did not notice positive changes .

In the analytical report “The Protest Movement in Russia at the End of 2011 — 2012: The Sources, Dynamics, and Results,” prepared by Levada Center employee Denis Volkov, corruption, along with the arbitrariness of the executive and the judiciary, is one of the reasons for the politicization of civic activists. It is precisely with the inclusion in the political processes of people who have not previously been interested in politics that many street protests have linked the past year.

Volkov explained that sociologists began to connect the negative sides of the authorities with the presidency, although this had not happened before. “Just a couple of months ago, about half of Russians began to attribute responsibility for the negative sides of the government to Putin. We then assumed that we should wait for loud steps. And a week later, the president reprimanded the ministers, ”the expert reminds. “Maybe in this context, recent actions should be taken to shift responsibility for corruption: it is immediately clear who is really guilty,” says Volkov about the latest corruption disclosures.

Consequently, all recent corruption cases have served as lightning rods designed to divert the electrical discharges of discontent swirling in society. The largest of them, the size of the Ostankino tower, is undoubtedly a scandal around the Ministry of Defense and its Oboronservis, which is formally independent, but who will believe in it.

The identity of the unpopular minister gave the case a special charm. More than half of Russians (56%) reacted positively to Putin’s decision to remove Serdyukov from the post of defense minister because they believe that he was “involved in theft and corruption,” as evidenced by the FOM poll conducted by November 11.

But this is only one side of the story. Another is that the boyars have ceased to reckon with the king. No, outwardly, everything is still - honors and servility remained in place. But if before the hands in the budget were run on the elbows, now - on the shoulders. In this regard, Putin is looking for new ways to be dangerous for the elite, says Gleb Pavlovsky, director of the Effective Policy Foundation. “Putin, if he is not dangerous for the establishment, then it’s not interesting as an advocate for them either. Putin’s previous approach to managing elites, the so-called “stability” or “managed democracy” policy, suggested Putin’s strong resource popularity with the electorate, so he could act as an arbiter in elite conflicts. But by the third term, his popularity has decreased, and he is looking for new management officials, ”explains the political strategist, experienced in Kremlin affairs.

So Putin saves the rating. However, the bar who can be touched is still not raised high enough. “It is clear that there is a struggle at the top, but it was always going on, but now for the first time, the movement of borders has become noticeable, the influence is changing, the first losers have appeared. We see a fixed level of attacks, that is, officials no higher than the deputy minister are under investigation, ”says Pavlovsky.

“For many years, the reputational damage inflicted by the elite on the level of corruption in the country has not been transformed into a direct threat to the authorities and the president personally. Now the situation has changed, so the attitude towards the problem and the leadership of the country has changed. I think the new anti-corruption course of power dictated by Putin is systemic. We see this through hard and fast decision-making and a circle of people who have come to the attention of the bodies of inquiry. I think the campaign will continue ... Let us recall the recent POF poll, from the published data it follows that the majority of Russians took the new anti-corruption policy by the authorities as systemic, ”said Dmitry Orlov, General Director of the Agency for Political and Economic Communications, to Gazeta.ru.

However, it is not difficult to predict the sour reaction that will inevitably appear in the society if Serdyukov is not even interrogated in the Oboronservis case. Without this, the entire PR of the authorities will go down the drain, come out in a minus and it will become clear that it was better not to touch anything than to touch that way. Opinions of political scientists on this subject are divided. Some believe that the authorities have taken seriously the fight against corruption, while others believe that everyone will let go of the brakes as soon as the elite is sufficiently frightened and re-built in regular rows, devouring the authorities with their eyes.

Meanwhile, on Tuesday, the press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported that from the beginning of the operational search activities, the total amount of money and valuables seized that may belong to the participants of the fraudulent schemes has already reached about 700 million rubles.

It became known that Smetanov was not released under house arrest. During the consideration of the issue of her arrest in the Khamovnichesky Court, the investigator had previously stated that she could escape on a service plane of the Ministry of Defense. According to him, a similar precedent has already been: Smetanova, under the guise of an employee of the department of property relations of the military department, flew together with Evgenia Vasilyeva to Paris from the Moscow-based Chkalovsky airport on a departmental aircraft.

In addition, the investigator cited evidence that the staff of the “Legal Support Center“ Expert ”contributed to the destruction of documents that are evidence in the“ Oboronservis ”case, reports RIA“NewsSo, this sorrowful work, if Smetanov were outside the chamber, can continue.

Meanwhile, experts continue to discuss the results of the reform of the Russian army under the leadership of Serdyukov. And I must say that their conclusions, to put it mildly, contradict the assessment that Dmitry Medvedev gave to the activities of the ex-minister. Immediately after the dismissal of Serdyukov, the head of government, we recall, said: "Serdyukov was an effective minister of defense, this was manifested during the transformations that he carried out in the armed forces." And here, for example, the ex-chief of the Main Financial Department of the Ministry of Defense, Colonel General Vasily Vorobyev, stated that the so-called “outsourcing reform” (that is, the transfer of troop service functions to civil organizations) was “permeated with corruption”. “In particular, the budget expenditures for providing power to the compounds and parts on the principle of outsourcing, according to mine, are far from complete, the calculations have increased more than tenfold,” he told Interfax. Pretty "efficiency", what can we say ...

The fact that Serdyukov was in fact, to put it mildly, an unimportant minister, indirectly confirmed, oddly enough .... Putin All at the same press conference at which the “37 year was mentioned”, the following passage was heard from the president: “I draw your attention to the work of the adviser (and the media just reported about the possible appointment of Serdyukov as adviser to the head of the Rostekhnologii corporation - note KM.RU) is not connected either with property management, or with management of some labor collectives. This is a purely expert work. ” That is, the property and management of Serdyukov should not be allowed, but let him advise. An indicative statement, what could be there ...

Only there is one thing: if Serdyukov is not capable of anything except giving advice, then why was he held for so long at the head of the Ministry of Defense? And shouldn't the one who appointed him be responsible for this?

Russian businessman and chairman of the International Anti-Corruption Committee Valery Morozov writes in his blog on the Snob website: “There is no doubt that Serdyukov will be arrested in the coming days. If this does not happen, then it will be possible to begin the countdown of the remaining days for Putin in the Kremlin. Having left Serdyukov free, Putin will take on the treachery. ”

... We, Vladimir Vladimirovich, as you rightly noted, now is not the 37 year in the yard. But more and more I think - and it's a pity ...
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  1. bask
    bask 23 November 2012 07: 32
    +33
    Alexander .Article + Yes Joseph Vissarionovich .Stalin. Would bring order. BURNING OUT WITH A FEMALE IRON THIS INEGESTIMITY BEFORE BONES ,,, But the GDP, unfortunately, is not Stalin. I think there is no struggle, ,, (((real (((with corruption, but complicated undercover games, ,,, .. ((((too close to know (((((. and company., that's for sure, .. Go to jail, switchmen ...
    1. soldat1945
      soldat1945 23 November 2012 07: 47
      +39
      Yes, Stalin is not needed here, it is enough to return the confiscation of property and execution to make an article on corruption, and of course we won’t get rid of it completely, but it will become much easier to breathe, and it will be much harder for someone to fall asleep!
      1. sefirs
        sefirs 23 November 2012 07: 54
        +18
        Indeed, we have not 37-th year ....
        But for some high-ranking individuals it would be nice to make an exception in this case and return those times for a short time good
        1. sv-sakh
          sv-sakh 23 November 2012 07: 55
          +6
          This is all because in Russia it is not power, but the occupation administration, headed by the Fuhrer Putin.
          What are you talking about, comrades? :(
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 23 November 2012 08: 26
            +7
            In fact, the occupied regions and countries were governed by Gauleiters.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 23 November 2012 16: 59
              +8
              So we have a whole gauleiter team
              http://demotivation.me/py09a9npth2vpic.html
              demanding that they fight corruption is somehow even frivolous. Our entire system is saturated with corruption, which is called a "systemic crisis".
              http://www.kommersant.ru/doc-rm/2066199
              So, such a crisis does not resolve itself, the system itself will not digest itself, then a strong kick from the People is needed.
              Normal people have already started the fight
              in Wikipedia about them have not yet been erased, look for "army of the will of the people"
              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D
              0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0
              The site has already been blocked, probably found porn :)
              But the majority of the people are still inactive, they think that they will not be affected.
              http://demotivation.me/rensshm57si9pic.html
              1. GRIGORIY1957
                GRIGORIY1957 25 November 2012 09: 53
                +4
                Quote: S_mirnov

                Our entire system is saturated with corruption, which is called a "systemic crisis".
                So, such a crisis does not resolve itself, the system itself will not digest itself, then a strong kick from the People is needed.

                AT THE BEGINNING TO JUDGE GORBACHEV, IF IT ISN’T OBTAINED TO ELIMINATE AS L. TROTSKY, BUT IT IS BETTER TO JUDGE, MANY FACTS WILL BE EXPOSED ...

                AND THIS NIT WITH ALL ITS FAMILY, MANDATORY ...! ! !


                P.S. I KNOW THERE WILL BE DISADVANTAGES, BUT I HOPE FOR PUTIN, I TURNED ITS TIME CORRECTLY ...! ! !
          2. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 23 November 2012 08: 44
            +9
            Quote: sv-sakh
            Indeed, we have not 37-th year ....


            It's a pity. Because in those years, no matter what they wrote there, no one had 100% insurance against punishment. An example is the same Shakhurin.

            But you see, the tasks were different. And people are different. In those days, it was necessary to build a country, but now it is necessary to sell it. That's all.
            1. sv-sakh
              sv-sakh 23 November 2012 09: 46
              +5
              And this best proves my point about the opinion about the occupation ..
              1. Joker
                Joker 23 November 2012 10: 37
                +21
                Yes, really not 37, so if I were the president (let me dream laughing ) I would create a team of one hundred proven military people from among the Special Forces of the GRU, Airborne Forces, the FSB and in 2008 I would kill all the traitors from Chubais, ending with all sorts of Anal and Co. and all this could be attributed to the tricks of the Georgian special services, could it be done? And those who need to understand what awaits them and would be dumped for good health. And in general, it is necessary to recreate punitive detachments as in the USSR, then even the traitors who were dumped abroad were afraid to leave the house, how many of us shot them both in the USA and England, the KGB had long hands then, you can’t hide from justice, deserving of your reward.
                1. Denzel13
                  Denzel13 23 November 2012 12: 52
                  +9
                  There will be no end to volunteers laughing
                2. Orik
                  Orik 23 November 2012 16: 24
                  +5
                  And what, somewhere already recorded in the squad? feel A joke, it's a pity ...
                3. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 23 November 2012 16: 49
                  -8
                  Cool down, sir! No need to voice nonsense, leave your nonsense to yourself!
                  1. SASCHAmIXEEW
                    SASCHAmIXEEW 25 November 2012 13: 07
                    +2
                    I think this is not such nonsense, we already got it with my impudence and impunity, and it will reach the pitchfork! Do you have a guarantor?
                4. alexdol
                  alexdol 23 November 2012 20: 32
                  +9
                  Joker RU "The KGB had long arms then, you can't hide from justice, .."
                  I completely share your opinion! And then the nonsense turns out to be such as Serdyukov - the authorities "otmazyvaet", and the heroes of RUSSIA, such as the murdered Colonel Budanov and the now living Kvachkov. I have already written somewhere and I will repeat myself again - isn't it time to involve “mister” Medvedev to ANSWER ?!
                5. Konrad
                  Konrad 24 November 2012 14: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: Joker
                  under the guise would kill everyone

                  Good deeds, dirty methods are not done! It is necessary that the LAW would work, that's all.
                  1. DimYang
                    DimYang 27 November 2012 12: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Konrad
                    Good deeds, dirty methods are not done! It is necessary that the LAW would work, that's all.


                    You see what’s the matter. Whose prosecutor is the law. The prosecutor is clearly not ours. So you don’t have to rely on the law.
                6. DimYang
                  DimYang 27 November 2012 12: 42
                  +1
                  TOTALLY APPROVE!
          3. Col.
            Col. 23 November 2012 10: 04
            +19
            Quote: sv-sakh
            This is all because in Russia it is not power, but the occupation administration

            Illustration for this:
            1. Col.
              Col. 23 November 2012 10: 36
              +6
              And the price of their promises: http://voenpens.com/blogs/1/555/-

              In order to cancel the indexation of monetary allowances for military personnel, clearly spelled out in Federal Laws N 306-FZ (Article 3, Clause 16) and N 247-FZ (Article 2, Clause 5), at the suggestion of the Ministry of Finance, the Government submitted to the State Duma a draft federal Law (registration No. 143348-6) "On the suspension and invalidation of certain provisions of legislative acts of the Russian Federation in connection with the Federal Law" On the federal budget for 2013 and for the planning period of 2014 and 2015 ".

              The law was adopted by the State Duma 16.11 2012

              The relevant committees of the Federation Council have already approved the draft Law:

              The conclusion of the 19.11.2012 Committee of the Council of the Federation on the Budget and Financial Markets of the year ... proposed in connection with the insufficiency of the federal budget funds for financial provision of expenditure obligations of the Russian Federation established by a number of federal laws ... to approve the Federal Law.
              The conclusion of the Committee of the Council of the Federation on Defense and Security of 20.11.2012 of the year ... it should be noted that the mechanism for suspending certain legislative norms should be exceptional ... recommend that the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation approve the Federal Law.

              Therefore, there is practically no doubt that this law will be adopted by the Federation Council and signed by the President.

              That is, among the military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and police officers (and the employees of all other law enforcement agencies and law enforcement agencies, who were assigned new salaries as early as 2011) there will be no indexation of monetary allowances in 2013. [/color]
          4. enkor
            enkor 23 November 2012 18: 37
            0
            Oh how! Hto eta? Atky face.
        2. sergey32
          sergey32 23 November 2012 08: 09
          +21
          I remember in the USSR the theft of Soviet rubles from the state 15000 was considered especially large, in our times it is somewhere around a million and a half or two. For this they gave from 10 to 15 or shot. They stole of course, but they trembled and slept very badly. If now to return that power the scale of executions would be much larger than in 37. Our entire elite would be, if not in the cemetery, then in the camp.
          1. avdkrd
            avdkrd 23 November 2012 12: 39
            +10
            I agree, with one small comment. As Bzezhinsky said, the Russian elite keeps at least $ 500 billion in the WEST, is it your elite or ours? In addition to this not a small problem, Russia does not have its own financial system and the ruble is not a national currency, but a certain equivalent of the dollar, therefore the "elite" will not keep their savings in Russia, the dependence of the financial system will not allow its own elite to form, which will think and to act in the public interest, because the state is perceived only as a cash cow. We must start with the idea that Russia has its own elite, and preferably with a different scale of values.
            Unfortunately, there is no one to start, since the clan war that is happening now is not a war of our and their elite, but just a showdown for the right to be the first milker.
          2. Konrad
            Konrad 24 November 2012 15: 00
            +3
            Quote: sergey32
            Our entire elite turned out to be

            This is not the elite, it is SCALE!
        3. merkel1961
          merkel1961 23 November 2012 10: 01
          +4
          Serdyukov with his aunts is a collective Khattab, but they really flunked him, and we are offered to look at the remaining Serdyukism without a finger, destroying the bandit underground, first of all aiming at the ringleaders, and then again repeating the story of Madame Arbidol.
          1. avdkrd
            avdkrd 23 November 2012 12: 41
            +7
            Khattab is just a boy compared to them
        4. Blackscorp
          Blackscorp 23 November 2012 10: 09
          +4
          [quote = sefirs] Indeed, we have not the 37th year .... [/
          I think that this is good, in our realities it could be even worse .... it is enough to simply comply with the current legislation, and not cover up your "clan", "fellow countrymen", etc. and that's all ..... and this applies not only to Serdyukov .... It's just that now there is no person in power who would take responsibility to change the situation ..... Everyone seems to reason correctly, but only until they receive a portfolio, then they turn into an ordinary embezzler ...
        5. plotnikov561956
          plotnikov561956 23 November 2012 16: 10
          +6
          The former head of the department of property relations of the Russian army, Yevgenia Vasilyeva, who is considered the closest associate of the former defense minister Anatoly Serdyukov, was detained today by the FSB. This was reported by the Kommersant newspaper with reference to its sources.
          1. merkel1961
            merkel1961 23 November 2012 19: 33
            +3
            In his native "hut" house arrest is not in a cell.
        6. lotus04
          lotus04 23 November 2012 19: 25
          +1
          Quote: sefirs
          Indeed, we have not 37-th year ....
          But for some high-ranking individuals it would be nice to make an exception in this case and return those times for a short time


          Yes, even our "blah blah blah", but in the ears of those who are at the helm! Yes, I'm afraid they shared with them.
      2. Vanek
        Vanek 23 November 2012 08: 39
        +6
        Quote: soldat1945
        it will become much easier to breathe, and it will be much harder for someone to fall asleep!


        Not an eyebrow, but an eye.

        good
      3. PPL
        PPL 23 November 2012 08: 43
        +10
        With the execution you got excited ..., but the confiscation of "unbearable" acquired, must be returned.
        And yet, it is a pity that the law is very selective in our country.
        1. soldat1945
          soldat1945 23 November 2012 09: 19
          +7
          The most interesting thing is that our pseudo-elite does not even have a squeak about the return of the article on confiscation of property, because then it can affect each of them, so they are fighting corruption, that is, heroically and everyone is wondering how to defeat it, and we’re remove the ears!
          1. bask
            bask 23 November 2012 13: 20
            +12
            We have property confiscation in Russia. ) -. ONLY SHOT AND FULL CONFISCATION OF BOUNDED PROPERTY !!!!!.
        2. Konrad
          Konrad 24 November 2012 15: 04
          +2
          Quote: PPZ
          confiscation of "unbearable" acquired, must be returned.

          And also - a life-long ban on holding a leadership position so that these nits do not get to the next feeding trough again.
      4. nokki
        nokki 23 November 2012 09: 39
        +15
        Quote: soldat1945

        Yes, Stalin is not needed here, it is enough to return the confiscation of property and execution to make an article on corruption, and of course we won’t get rid of it completely, but it will become much easier to breathe, and it will be much harder for someone to fall asleep!


        It doesn’t fit my head like the President of a great country can not (!!!??? ) put in place a bunch of snickering villains! I spoke with officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. They unanimously affirm: enough President’s team - and there will be no wet place from this riffraff! So why no of this decision? The people are waiting, Mr. Comrade President ...
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 23 November 2012 11: 12
          +6
          nokki
          Quote: nokki
          as the President of a great country cannot (!!! ???)

          It can’t? ... Does it want to!
          “It turns out that the former Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation, who appears in a number of criminal cases related to the theft of funds allocated by the agro-industrial complex of the Lipetsk region to Rosagroleasing, lives abroad, where she safely gave birth to twins.

          GOROD48 received a document confirming that the former Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation Elena Skrynnik, the most famous person involved in several criminal cases related to the theft of funds allocated by the agro-industrial complex of the Lipetsk region of Rosagroleasing OJSC, refused to appear for interrogation due to the fact that she lives and is being treated Abroad. From her letter addressed to one of the leaders of the investigation group, it follows that she went abroad with the personal permission of the President of the country Vladimir Putin due to poor health. "Kompromat.ru

          The source is "the same", but if there is a mistake, correct it. Truth - draw conclusions ...
        2. jeezar
          jeezar 23 November 2012 12: 28
          +1
          He (or maybe someone from his team) had already said somewhere that there would be no one to lead if everyone was planted. So everyone knows. It’s convenient to keep everyone hooked.
        3. Kaa
          Kaa 23 November 2012 15: 21
          +4
          Quote: nokki
          People are waiting, Mr. Comrade President

          It can be said. tired of waiting...
        4. vyatom
          vyatom 24 November 2012 10: 47
          +3
          He does not need this. Not necessary. He is part of this riffraff.
        5. Konrad
          Konrad 24 November 2012 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: nokki
          It does not fit my head how the President of a great country cannot (!!! ???) put in place a bunch of snickering villains!

          Yes, involuntarily think about it - how so? If everyone sees and says that the same Serdyukov is a boor and a thief, but the president does not see what is it?
        6. Captain45
          Captain45 24 November 2012 20: 02
          +1
          Of course history does not suffer a subjunctive mood, but if the GKChP in 91 gave such a command, they would not have what we have now.
      5. baltika-18
        baltika-18 23 November 2012 09: 48
        +5
        Quote: soldat1945
        just enough to return the confiscation of property and execution to make an article on corruption

        I agree, it will restrain many, but as long as there are outsiders, things will move badly. Surely, when individuals like Smetanova got into these theft stories, they were promised cover, no responsibility. Those who are at the top of the predatory pyramid are always insured, and there are no switchmen, since as a rule, people who are not very smart and trusting are selected for this role,
      6. Col.
        Col. 23 November 2012 09: 59
        +12
        Quote: soldat1945
        return confiscation of property and execution to make an article on corruption

        And who will return the confiscation and execution for corruption? Don't make people laugh! The most important "godfathers" are sitting in the Kremlin, will they really return the firing squad to themselves? It is high time to understand that power in the country belongs to an insignificant minority of criminals who have declared themselves "people's choices." Their children live and study abroad, the stolen billions lie in foreign banks, in the same place (abroad) their main property and real estate. And they rob the people according to the laws that they themselves invent! Is not it? Or are there still naive people who believe that Putin does not know that all oligarchs are just thieves? Or that Serdyukov is involved in this case? Everyone knows, but He doesn't?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 23 November 2012 15: 22
          +8
          Quote: Colonel
          The most important "godfathers" are sitting in the Kremlin, will they really return the firing squad to themselves? It is high time to understand that power in the country belongs to an insignificant minority of criminals who have declared themselves "people's choices."

          Today I agree with everyone. And this is a true statement. How to change everything if they do not want to?
      7. Ross
        Ross 23 November 2012 10: 15
        +14
        soldat1945,
        If we ourselves allow the authorities to slow down the Serdyukov case, then this will be primarily a spit in ourselves.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 10: 46
          +19
          Quote: Ross
          it will be primarily a spit in ourselves.

          Hi Zhenya! It will not "be spitting", it is already a fait accompli. They have already spat at us, considering that we are not a people, but as Gleb Pavlovsky said - "ELECTORAT"... Disgusting word, I can not stand it. Depersonalizes a MAN, turning us all in the eyes of politicians into a flock of obedient sheep. But to hell with them !!! I am not a zombie for them, I am a RUSSIAN MAN and I am not going to turn into an "electoral unit". And although I do not have many opportunities to influence the country's leadership, but while I am alive, I will do everything I can to ensure that my loved ones also clearly understand where this power's legs grow.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 23 November 2012 11: 11
            +8
            Quote: Fox 070
            I am not a zombie for them, I am a RUSSIAN MAN and I am not going to turn into an "electoral unit". And although I do not have many opportunities to influence the country's leadership, but while I am alive, I will do everything I can to ensure that my loved ones also clearly understand where this power's legs grow.

            Felix I'm with you.
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 23 November 2012 11: 29
              +7
              Quote: baltika-18
              Felix I'm with you.

              Thank you buddy !!! I did not doubt it!!! drinks
          2. Ross
            Ross 23 November 2012 12: 11
            +7
            Fox 070,
            That's great! Can we join our efforts when we need help for the sick and needy? We need to learn to help ourselves, the government should feel the mood of the people, but not the crowd.
          3. yustas
            yustas 23 November 2012 12: 14
            +8
            Quote: Fox 070
            I am not a zombie for them, I am a RUSSIAN MAN and I am not going to turn into an "electoral unit". And although I do not have many opportunities to influence the country's leadership, but while I am alive, I will do everything I can to ensure that my loved ones also clearly understand where this power's legs grow.

            Quote: baltika-18
            Felix I'm with you.

            I will be with you!
            without additions, that's right, there's nothing to add!
          4. bask
            bask 23 November 2012 13: 32
            +6
            Hello Felix, Baltic, Ross. Few of us. The main population is fooled by a zombie man --- ,,, with a blue eye ,,,,,,. And, holy, they believe that they are broadcast in the media. Wife, before the election for three days, political inflation I spend it. Look with ..... don’t mix it up .. And how many empty-headed blondes, residents of ethnic republics. Everything, it works, for them. And we, for. ...... shit and slurp. ..A ,,,, electorate, I have an association with ,, tolerast ,,,, so they have made of all the people of the world ,, tolerast, .. Now they are trying hard with us .. Wow them. We won’t succeed. ..All.....???
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 23 November 2012 15: 27
              +9
              Quote: bask
              Hi Felix, Baltic, Ross. Not many of us

              Basque, if everywhere we can promote our line on the site, too, we will be many. Weapons.
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 23 November 2012 15: 49
                +10
                Quote: baltika-18
                if everywhere we can promote our line on the site, too, we will be many.

                But this is unconditional! "+" It is not always possible to post the article that you want, to convey to users the information that I own, so that PEOPLE begin to understand at least in general terms the situation in which our country in general and the Russian people in particular, who and what does he want from us, where they are trying to lead us and why it is not worth going there, why are they trying to divide the Russians, including on a religious basis ... There are a lot of questions and there are answers to them, but ...
                If we begin to share this information with colleagues, then we will become more! I am sure about that! Most of the users of this site are good, adequate people who sincerely love their land and their people, just many lack information. Need to help ... drinks
                1. Ross
                  Ross 23 November 2012 17: 43
                  +6
                  Fox 070,
                  Felix, bask, Baltic, yustas
                  Friends, I fully agree with you. Many of the fellow citizens are immersed in the routine of daily life and not everyone has time to study the materials of interest. The main thing is to give everyone the opportunity to understand everything themselves.
              2. bask
                bask 23 November 2012 16: 07
                +5
                I agree bantica I’m constantly at work all the way, I’m talking about it. By the way, simple workers understand everything perfectly, and I agree with many things. When they say one thing to the zombies, and after that the person comes in with super ... and sees price tags changing daily ..While maintaining ,,, stability ,, in its beggarly salary. + Housing and communal services tariffs. Everyone is starting to wonder. Something is not so beautiful according to the zombie man .... For 10 months, 70 billion ... greens exported over a hill ... How much, this is stolen from defense, medicine, industry, from our beggarly salaries, Half from stolen, return to the country., then .........
        2. alexng
          alexng 23 November 2012 11: 47
          +2
          Quote: Ross
          If we ourselves allow the authorities to slow down the Serdyukov case, then this will be primarily a spit in ourselves.


          They will not let him down on the brakes any more and will be "taken home" or "dried up" to the end. All of it is no longer needed by anyone, but it presents a serious hindrance, as the mention of it constantly appears in the networks and in the media, and this creates certain and serious inconveniences.
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 23 November 2012 16: 53
            +2
            Well why not let down? Already lowered - just did not put right away ...
            You see, she will also go for treatment very soon ...
      8. plotnikov561956
        plotnikov561956 23 November 2012 11: 57
        +1
        Quote: soldat1945
        Yes, Stalin is not needed here, it is enough to return the confiscation of property and execution to make an article on corruption, and of course we won’t get rid of it completely, but it will become much easier to breathe, and it will be much harder for someone to fall asleep!

        To introduce such punishments and restore order ..... do not need Stalin ...? It is such a personality as Stalin. Capable of this. Everything will begin to come down on the brakes .... while all the people are waiting for real trials of thieves .with deadlines and confiscation
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 23 November 2012 16: 54
          +2
          Why so spoil the people? What if the people to the Kremlin will run the main roof to "bother"?
      9. Kaa
        Kaa 23 November 2012 12: 14
        +9
        Quote: soldat1945
        Yes, Stalin is not needed here, it’s enough to return the confiscation of property and the execution to make an article on corruption,

        And you need to start not with the consequences (Serdyukov and Co.), but with the "founding fathers" ...
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 12: 53
          +20
          Quote: Kaa
          And you need to start not with the consequences (Serdyukov and Co.), but with the "founding fathers" ...
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 23 November 2012 13: 25
            +7
            Quote: Fox 070
            Fox 070 (4)

            Well, then, to be consistent, then ...
            1. grizzlir
              grizzlir 23 November 2012 14: 35
              +6
              Well then it could be like this:
            2. imguskov
              imguskov 24 November 2012 12: 48
              +1
              The people's militia is a popular force, I am for it, but the authorities are very cunning and dangerous, under the guise of popular anger, it creates FSB and people are kicked out into the streets under the flag for money and threats of dismissal. Today, the government creates squads from the loyal Cossacks, and as opposed to these squads, it is necessary to create national squads from the opposition. The authorities strive to dismember the people, because they understand that a single people is a threat to power. Putin also advocates for a decent life, but worthy for Chubais, Serdyukov and the like, it is time to learn to understand the fraud of the authorities and adequately respond to this fraud.
              The most important thing is that people need to rally around a party that will participate in the elections and win. Today, because of trolls, provocateurs, liars, whom power sends to the people, people have not decided on a party that will lead the people along. I have no doubt, the Communist Party is such a party, the only party in favor of returning the plundering natural resources to the people, for honest private entrepreneurship, and for the secure childhood of our children.
              If someone has other suggestions - offer.
      10. vezunchik
        vezunchik 23 November 2012 21: 22
        0
        And who will do it? After all, they are all in shit head over heels! They say correctly - the matter is Serdyukov’s indicator of where and how Russia will go!
    2. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 23 November 2012 07: 54
      0
      This is all because in Russia it is not power, but the occupation administration, headed by the Fuhrer Putin.
    3. Joker
      Joker 23 November 2012 10: 37
      +7
      An indicator of the fact that corruption has been and remains, I believe that they did not skip the law on how to equate theft of money in the military budget to the state. treason. Again, they introduced a law on checking the income-expenses of deputies and bureaucrats, they did not miss it either, here is the indicator.
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 23 November 2012 13: 27
        +5
        Joker

        Eh ... to equate the theft of money ... Here you (and me) a new "hello" from the authorities.

        The military court sentenced the former head of the "15 Central Research Institute named after Karbyshev" of the Ministry of Defense by conditional term for excess of official powers in the amount of 5,4 million rubles, reported in the Main Military Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of Russia.
        “Odintsovo Garrison Military Court to the former head of the federal state institution” 15 Central Research and Testing Institute named after D.M. Karbysheva "of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, Colonel Valery Kravchik was sentenced to 3,5 years of imprisonment," the GVSU IC of Russia said in a statement.
        In addition, the court deprived him of the right to hold positions in the public service and in local self-government bodies related to the performance of administrative and economic functions for disposing of material resources for a period of two years.
        The civil lawsuit filed on the initiative of the investigation by the representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense against Kravchik was fully satisfied by the court.
        “He was found guilty of an offense under subsection“ c ”of part 3 of article 286 of the Criminal Code of Russia (abuse of power committed by a person with grievous consequences), ”the Military Investigation Department said.
        The investigation and the court established that in 2007-2009 Kravchik violated the procedure for acceptance and payment of repair and construction works performed by contractors, established by Russian legislation, which entailed a significant violation of the interests of society and the state protected by law in the form of causing material damage worth more than 5,4 million rubles .
        Source: vz.ru 23.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX
    4. Andrey64
      Andrey64 23 November 2012 15: 32
      +5
      Article plus, say ?! Well, let's see ... Everything is of course beautifully presented, I want to shoot someone, but something leads to reflection. Firstly, with the coming to power of Vladimir Putin for a third term, our overseas “friends” and their hangers-on in the form of NGOs and the media became very active. The fact that most of the media is controlled by the West, I think the majority of sane people is not in doubt. A proof of this is the coverage of famous events with Udaltsov, where no less, and the possibility of a coup in Russia was discussed !!!. It would seem much more important ??? However, they tried a couple of days and fell silent. What is this called? ... But on a daily basis we hear and see stories about high-profile corruption scandals that have literally swept all the ministries and departments. Sorry, but that under Medvedev we were all honest and nobody stole ?! Or then it was not interesting to anyone? There is a powerful information war, the goal is to discredit the president and deprive him of the support of the people. Putin dealt a rather powerful blow to am, adopting a law on NGOs, closing USAID, etc. ... The answer was not long in coming. They try to bring any coverage of a scandal to the fact that it is the president who is ultimately to blame.
      “According to media reports, the investigation team was expressly forbidden to take Serdyukov into development ...”, Gazeta.ru quotes an anonymous interlocutor related to the investigation ” here for such an x ​​... nude - PLANT! Where is the libel law ??? !!! Either you are responsible for your words, or you “sit” and think ... And the longer they sit down, the better they will think.
      In the situation with the Ministry of Defense, in my opinion, an obvious setup. And to draw certain conclusions without reliable information at least is stupid. However, numerous "analysts", as a rule, almost everything "terry" through and through, begin to lead to the fact that the culprit is in everything - has long been known “Maybe in this context, one should take the latest actions in order to shift the responsibility for corruption: it’s immediately clear who is really to blame” And these words generally kill on the spot: “So, Putin is saving the rating.” However, the bar you can touch is still not raised high enough. ” Yes, he does not save the rating, but Russia !!! And already about 14 years old ... And all these analytical funds and centers are “geo”, there some kind of planning or research with their “specialists” and “experts” exists only in order to form public opinion in what they need (or those who pays) direction. And believe me, it is not the state that pays them (what is the point of keeping dozens of them). And the opinion is formed quite definite: Valery Morozov, a Russian businessman and chairman of the International Anti-Corruption Committee, writes on his blog on the Snob website: “There is no doubt that Serdyukov will be arrested in the coming days. If this does not happen, then it will be possible to begin the countdown of the remaining days for Putin in the Kremlin. Leaving Serdyukov free, Putin will take over the betrayal ”. Here, as they say - no comment.
      And secondly, I don’t know who Serdyukov really is - a victim of a setup or a “rat”, but in any case, whatever the scandal might end, this is a good opportunity for Putin to get rid of unnecessary people and make permutations.
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 23 November 2012 16: 56
        +1
        Another one that has not yet received his sight! Probably, it’s hard to defend Putin who was so obviously framed?
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 23 November 2012 17: 10
        +2
        Andrey64

        That Putin is uncomfortable with the West, I agree with you. And what he does as a whole thing in the right direction, I also agree.
        But the rest - if you please! You speak so convincingly about the information war, as if these millions of dollars were thrown to the Babsk battalion during a search belay But it seemed to me that it was money stolen by them.
        In PR, since you are talking about it, there is the concept of "sit down on a topic." That is, if you decide to chase the thieves with a rag around the corners, you need to go all the way! I agree with the author - if Putin shows everyone that only ministers and deputy ministers can steal, and that teachers and doctors will be imprisoned for two bottles of cognac and a chocolate bar, it would be better not to start. There is nothing worse than breaking off the whole society, showing the fight against corruption, and then quietly saying nothing request
        Will not work! Got it!
        1. Andrey64
          Andrey64 24 November 2012 18: 44
          +2
          Botanologist:
          "You talk so convincingly about the information war, as if these millions of dollars were thrown to the Baba battalion during a search. But it seemed to me that this money was stolen by them."
          But where does the "Babskiy battalion" and their millions? They are not the first and they are not the last. There are women in almost any military establishment, and should they all be kicked out? They do not direct the hostilities ... But in Russia they have always stolen, they steal and will steal if possible, that's how human nature is arranged, and we live in the age of the golden calf. Here the point is a little different. For some reason, our people tend to see only bad things in everything that the authorities do. Serdyukov at the post of the Ministry of Defense is bad (with his reform he destroyed the remnants of the army). Removed from the post - too bad (we must shoot) ... We are used to content with the diarrhea that pours from TV and newspapers. There is a saying: "If you are not involved in politics, then politics will take care of you." So it turns out that what is profitable is being poured into our ears. Who benefits from ?! here, as they say, everyone decides for himself, to the best of his convictions ...
          In no case do I defend the defendants in this scandal, God forbid. If you are to blame, then answer! But we live in a legal society and article 8.2. The Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation has not been canceled:
          "No one can be found guilty of committing a crime and subjected to criminal punishment except by a court verdict and in the manner established by this Code." So who should - let them work and understand.
          Botanologist:
          ".... and teachers and doctors will be imprisoned for two bottles of cognac and a chocolate bar ..."
          Here I don’t need to tell fairy tales, dear !!! Try to go to the hospital without money - you will be sent by appointment at best for next year, but for money - please. And how many deaths caused by doctors? And what, one of them received the appropriate punishment? I don’t remember something. It is necessary to start first of all with oneself, and not to kick the power. As the saying goes - what kind of society, such and power. 20 years of moral decay were not in vain, and the restoration process, as a rule, goes much longer than the destructive one. And he does not see positive dynamics only as a blind person or someone who doesn’t need Russia’s restoration (although they see exactly that’s why they pour so much slop).
          Botanologist:
          "There is nothing worse than breaking off the whole society, showing the fight against corruption, and then quietly keeping silent"
          As for "breaking off the whole society" - I ask you not to generalize. If something does not suit you, then now everyone can create their own party, put forward a development program and go ahead to the elections, to a brighter future. There is a real opportunity to influence the situation, and not tryndet incessantly that everything is fucked up .. Or, again, someone should do it for you?
          Botanologist:
          "It won't work! Got it!"
          Apparently quite tight, right? Well, what can I advise here - if a man, and the previous version disappears for some reason, then you can go around the corner and shoot yourself (all the same, they fucked everything up). And if the guts are thin, then we now have a free country - "on skis" and forward to the west (everything is just wonderful there).

          PS. Yes, and I also want to remind individual comrades with similar comments: "... This is all because in Russia it is not the government, but the occupation administration headed by Fuehrer Putin." or "... but don't you think that first of all it is the GDP that needs to be" burned out "? don't you think that this particular person is responsible for all the corruption horror that is happening in the country? .. and if he is not responsible, then why the hell is he sitting in the Kremlin? .... "
          Yes, now it is not 37th ... otherwise a good half of this site would be lying somewhere in a ditch - with a hole in the "smart" head - like provocateurs. Here, unfortunately, it's hard to disagree with the author of the article ... It's a pity
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 24 November 2012 19: 09
            +1
            Almost every military institution has women, and so what, to kick them all out?
            I did not say that. Moreover, the day before yesterday I was unanimously omitted for defending Kitaeva, the new adviser to Shoigu. I just said that the women of Serdyuk were plundered - and this is a fact.
            So it turns out that they pour into our ears what is beneficial.
            What is true is true. I don’t watch TV, on the Internet it is easier to understand reality (and even then conditionally).
            As for "breaking off the whole society" - I ask you not to generalize. If something does not suit you, then now everyone can create their own party, put forward a development program and go ahead to the elections, to a brighter future.
            Well, I’m just in charge of elections (and registration of parties as well). It couldn't be easier to create a party. To live at least a year is more difficult - count the cost of the annual congress, travel of delegates from Kamchatka and Magadan, accounting, legal address and much more. But to go to the polls, hehe. For personal experience, try to become a deputy of the city legislative assembly or regional one. Or lead a party to the polls. Either you go broke on a PR man, or "I will not catch up, at least I will keep warm."
            In general, the authorities need this party liberty for one thing - to remove people from the protest movement. After all, there are only intellectuals, they are all wayward, and when the hell will agree. Therefore, the government decided - let everyone sit in their corner and doctorate Forgive me for my French.

            And the fact that you need to start with yourself is not a question, I already started a long time ago. And in general I agree with you. Only if you talk about PR and manipulation techniques - let’s specifically - the customer, goal, topic, crowbars, result, OMN and so on. This is a whole science, not intuitive guesses.
      3. vyatom
        vyatom 24 November 2012 10: 56
        +3
        Castling with Medvedev alone is worth it. He is that the Russians are completely for idiots. are there really no really serious people for the post of prime minister.
        Travel around Russia, outback. around poverty and collapse. Of course, you can blame everything on an external enemy as we like to cover up our own incompetence.
        Our people are smart enough and without Western media they see everything.
        1. Andrey64
          Andrey64 24 November 2012 19: 23
          0
          vyatom:
          "The castlings alone with Medvedev are worth something."
          And what, did these castling have led to some fatal consequences?
          vyatom:
          "Travel across Russia, in the outback. Poverty and collapse are all around. You can of course blame everything on an external enemy as we like to cover up your own incompetence."
          And I don't even need to go (although I've been to many places). I live in a completely provincial city, and our region is all in debt - the merit of the former leaders, who, by the way, were removed from office after Putin's election. However, all these debts, "poverty and collapse" for some reason do not prevent me with stubborn constancy, every day to spend a lot of time in traffic jams to get to work and back. Still, beggars are in cars, and in some families there are several cars and, as a rule, it is far from the domestic car industry ...
          Yes, far from everything is smooth in our kingdom, but you really exaggerate. Apparently remained in the 90s, then it all happened, and poverty and collapse.
          vyatom:
          Our people are smart enough and without Western media sees everything
          That is precisely why Putin received more than 60% of the vote in the last election. And the demand from him ultimately should be at least after the next 6 years, or even all 12. But not before, for soon only cats will be born ...
      4. imguskov
        imguskov 24 November 2012 13: 28
        +4
        The Germans, too, could not recognize Colonel Isaev, and only after the war, putting together all the pros and cons, did they understand that Isaev worked for Soviet intelligence.
        Make an analysis of Putin’s activities from the moment he takes office.
        Putin for Russia: catches amphora, flies on an airplane and puts out fires, puts collars on tigers, catches amphora, ringing bears.
        Putin for America and Europe: oil in unlimited quantities, the same gas, did not have time to open a gas field on the Yamal Peninsula, the pipeline is already ready for Europe, ferrous metals, rare earth metals, 95% of Russia's industry is owned by foreigners, the Permians made a jet engine for the Il- 96, but the host American forbade it to be installed on a supposedly dual-use aircraft; the nuclear submarine factory in Komsomolsk-on-Amur belongs to a New Zealand businessman, more precisely, NATO, registered in Ulyanovsk.
        And you will argue that Putin is saving Russia? We give you Pepsikolu - you give us oil. We give you pornography, you give us gas. We give you chewing gum, you give us metals.
        We are not in kindergarten and I don’t need to hold me for a fool. Putin worry that the oligarch would be rich through the sale of resources and exploitation of the working people.
        And Putin gave Serdyukov to development only because the pyramid of power was mired in corruption so much that it threatens Putin himself, Putin’s further inaction will lead to his removal from office by corrupt officials themselves.
    5. Krilion
      Krilion 24 November 2012 03: 19
      +4
      Quote: bask
      Stalin: I would bring order. BURNING OUT WITH A FIRED IRON THIS INEGESTIMITY TO BONES ,,, But the GDP, unfortunately, is not Stalin


      but don't you think that first of all it is necessary to "burn out" the GDP? Don't you think that this particular person is responsible for all the corruption horror that is happening in the country? .. and if he is not responsible, then why the hell is he sitting in the Kremlin? ...
      1. akbarr
        akbarr 24 November 2012 09: 37
        +1
        Another sacrifice of faith in the king. From the category: "Putin is to blame for everything",
        "spilling through the polymers"
    6. scrack
      scrack 24 November 2012 09: 55
      +2
      Alexander wrote an excellent article. + I think Putin needs to be consistent and put Serdyukov, as well as Golikov and Chubais
    7. diletant
      diletant 24 November 2012 18: 29
      +3
      And here is how Napoleon acted:
      The government organizes a loan among the population for the needs of the Empire. The organizer (some banker, I don’t remember) grabs 20% (20 million francs) in his favor. Report to Napoleon. On the same day, right from the Opera, a banker was taken away and put alone to smell a brick. Day sits, two, three. No one interrogates, does not ask about anything, they feed 2 times a day with baland. On the fourth day, the banker passes the order to his clerks to transfer 12 million to the state. Continues to sit. On the seventh day, it transfers another 8 million. On the eighth day, a banker is brought directly from prison to a performance in the Opera and left there. All!
    8. imguskov
      imguskov April 7 2013 01: 06
      0
      WAITING FOR A LONG TIME AND HE WAS BORN - YAKOV EVGENIEVICH Dzhugashvili. Pravnuk I.V. Stalin. This man will save Russia from extinction and plunder.
      WHAT IS ABN, OR THE PURPOSE OF THE PEOPLE WILL WILLISM

      It is unlikely that there will be a politician in Russia who refuses to chat about the responsibility of state power. This topic sounds serious, relevant, etc., but the matter does not go beyond chatter. Why? Because there is no liability without a predetermined punishment.
      The bus driver for his mistakes that caused the death or injury of passengers will be punished - sent to prison. Corresponding articles in the Criminal Code are provided for this in advance. The leaders of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant after the accident were imprisoned for 10 years. And articles for negligence for such leaders in the Criminal Code are also provided in advance.
      And how were the deputies of the USSR Supreme Council punished for the collapse of the country, which led to the impoverishment and death of millions of people? No way? Then why should we call them "responsible"? And the fact that they were not elected for another term is not a punishment. The bus driver for not knowing the rules of the road will also be dismissed from his job, but is this a punishment?
      So it turns out that the presidents, deputies, and senators talk about their responsibility, being, in fact, the most irresponsible part of the Russian population. And this situation leads to the looting and destruction of our homeland.
      The goal of the People’s Will Army, a non-political public organization, is to correct this situation: to make the President of the Russian Federation, and deputies, and senators responsible people. That is, provide for them in the laws of Russia a predetermined punishment for poor governance. AVN is not a political organization, since it does not have the goal of participating in elections.
      We propose by direct expression of the will of the people in the Constitution of the Russian Federation to introduce article 138:
      Article 138 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
      The Federal Assembly and the President are elected by the population for the sole purpose - by laws and decrees, to organize the population (of living capable citizens) to protect the people (population and future generations) from spiritual and material deterioration of life.
      The poor organization of the protection of the people of the Russian Federation by the President and the Federal Assembly is an offense against the people of the Russian Federation.
      The fact of the presence of this crime is determined by the Court of People over the Federal Assembly and the President.
      Every citizen of Russia who has the right to vote in elections has the right to vote at the Court of the People. The verdict of the Court of the People cannot be canceled or amended otherwise than by the popular will
      And in support of Article 138 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, adopt the Law "On the Trial of the People of Russia over the President and Members of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation."
      We plan to adopt these Amendments and the Law in this way. We will collect 20-50 thousand fighters in the ranks of the People’s Will Army, we will collect 2 million votes of voters sufficient to hold a referendum. In a referendum, the people will accept the Amendment and the Law, and we will force the authorities to execute them.
      Join the ranks of AVN!
  2. predator.3
    predator.3 23 November 2012 07: 33
    +39
    why Minister A. Serdyukov immediately after the search rushed to President V. Putin.

    It was not only the most unexpected, but also the most shameful sight in the recent history of Russia. That revealed the big theft - this is just expected. Shamelessness was unexpected.

    If the minister of the highest category, *** the Security Council, *** the secret, but influential presidium of the government was found at six in the morning, in shorts and slippers, not at home, but at a pretty neighbor, it would be horrifying. For the sins of much less obviousness, David Petraeus, an American full-star general and war hero who was predicted to be the next president, has just been urgently asked to leave.

    If this blonde turned out to be not just a neighbor, but also a minister’s colleague, then it would already be horror-horror. For in itself *** the direct connection between the head of a government institution and a subordinate is a gross violation of corporate ethics.

    If the lady turned out to be not just a colleague, but also that special one, which the minister persistently and unlawfully nominated in the highest circles of the department he administers, then this would be horror-horror-horror.

    If it turned out that this blonde was not just a tenderly caressed employee, but also a participant, or even an ataman of a large thieves' gang, then this would be horror in arithmetic progression. The discovery of a neighbor's one and a half thousand luxurious jewelry, original art paintings, many millions in cash turns all this into horror in the period. In a word, chaos.

    Investigators have not yet completed their reports, and the minister has already rushed to the president. Here is the beginning of a cool intrigue
    Serdyukov was always a kid without a *** and a reproach. He never allowed himself to violate at least one iota the set of sacred concepts of that select company that runs Russia. What was so special and what did he have? Just what any dignitary of his level has been doing and has been doing for the past twelve years.

    Yes, he handed out tasty places to relatives and friends, relatives of friends and friends of relatives. But that’s what everyone does. The whole vertical rests on invisible personal connections. These are the laws. If laws change, then you should first notify, and only then come with a search.
    Through all his enviable service destiny, A. Serdyukov carried deep reverence to the concepts of his environment. He always did what the chef said, and had what the chef gave. He did not appropriate anything. It was Putin who gave him the right to a charming blonde, to her 13 rooms in the very center of Moscow, to three million in cash, to half a pound of jewelry. The Minister came to the Commander-in-Chief to humblely recall that any sudden search of any of Putin’s friends would reveal that the house is not at all more modest, and the diamonds are not dimmer. He came respectfully to hint that he would never judge Putin for palaces and yachts, but he himself did not want to be judged by some little man from the street. The owner of six hundredths of alumina will still never understand why Deripaska, with his fifteen billion, desperately needs a sixteen billion. And for what reason the beloved woman of one minister is unhappy if she has only a thousand necklaces, when another woman has 1015 of them.

    Serdyukov ran to Putin, not yet knowing that all television channels were about to sparkle with diamonds, and slippers invisible to the world would become the leading sensation of the day. He believed that nothing was lost and everything was reversible, since the courts were invariably merciful to him, and no one held a candle over him.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 23 November 2012 08: 33
      +7
      Traitor, you gave a correct and detailed analysis of the situation, everyone understands where the legs are growing and who is corrupt.
      1. Col.
        Col. 23 November 2012 10: 15
        +3
        Quote: valokordin
        Traitor, you gave a correct and detailed analysis of the situation, everyone understands where the legs are growing and who is corrupt.

        Yes, the Traitor wrote everything correctly, but this is not his, but the copied article: http://www.dal.by/news/1/22-11-12-19/
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 10: 53
          +11
          Quote: Colonel
          only this is not his, but the copied article

          Is there any difference? Or from the fact that he quoted someone’s thoughts as corrupt officials ceased to be? request
          1. Col.
            Col. 23 November 2012 11: 59
            +3
            Quote: Fox 070
            Is there any difference?

            There is not much difference, but it is usually customary to give a link to the original source that you quote, especially since interesting things are described there.
            1. predator.3
              predator.3 23 November 2012 13: 12
              +6

              Quote: Colonel
              There is not much difference, but it is usually customary to give a link to the original source that you quote, especially since interesting things are described there.

              I'm sorry, to blame! just completely unable to cram the article, I had to pieces hi
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 23 November 2012 15: 35
                +3
                Quote: predator.3
                I'm sorry, to blame! just completely unable to cram the article, I had to pieces

                It’s not worth apologizing in any form for the truth. On the contrary, thanks for printing.
    2. yllo
      yllo 23 November 2012 08: 35
      0
      You broke my brain. In your opinion, Serdyukov is both ill and the victim at the same time. stop That mutual responsibility is a clear matter, but to live with wolves howl like a wolf. The higher you climbed, the more painful it is to fall.
    3. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 23 November 2012 08: 40
      +15
      Let's be honest with ourselves. There is a slogan in the country "They steal everything !!!"

      What is MO? Are they only stealing there? Dear, tell me at least one agency where you DO NOT steal ... I’m sure you will search for a very long time and very inconclusive.

      Another question is to whom it is possible to steal, and to whom not. You can not steal a simple layman. This is punishable, and in full. And if you have an EP membership card, a place in the system of government is forward, towards your bright future.

      This is the system. The system, which began to be created back in the 90s of the last century, but which is now working clearly and debugged. In which there is a division into friends and others. And I think that we can't get away from her anywhere. Putin has come forever. This is hopefully clear. The elections are nothing more than a fiction, because there will be as many votes in favor as needed. All posts have been, are and will be "their" people. This is the law of the team (or shobla, or brigade, as it is more convenient to whom). And, of course, the godfather will take all measures to ensure that "his own" in case of something, do not suffer. Everything is like criminals. Copied very well.

      There remains a small problem of cattle (plebs, electorate, again, choose for yourself). Which sometimes it is necessary to throw a piece of gingerbread, so as not to be chewed up and not rested on Bolotnaya, to drop the state power. That is, to show that the government really does what it should do. That is, to fight with those who impede the general advancement towards a brighter future.

      This raises only one question: whose is this bright future?

      I never liked Putin, I have repeatedly stated this, so I won’t say anything new. Yes, this is actually the only option in power now. Well, since he is the only one, then there is nothing to yell. He will do everything as he sees fit, actually spitting on the opinion of cattle. Serdyukov will not be imprisoned. How thieves from the Ministry of Economic Development and others will not be imprisoned. Just because it has not been accepted since Chubais. Yes, they will transfer to another place and people will continue to thresh the mop, earning a pretty penny for the team and laying the next brick (millionaire) in the foundation of this bright future. FOR TEAM.

      So there is nothing surprising in what is happening. Serdyukov played his role, and played it, apparently, as it was necessary. Therefore, not only will there be freedom, they will also find a place for him.
      1. Ross
        Ross 23 November 2012 12: 20
        +11
        Banshee,
        Yes, you are right, this is a system. But not from the 90's, but much earlier. These are the children of former partocrats, those who, after the death of Stalin, really ruled the USSR and in the 90's wanted to legalize themselves. It was they who put forward Gorbachev, and then Yeltsin and Putin. It is they who promote relatives, because such is their system and Putin did not come up with anything new, he is part of this system.
    4. arkady149
      arkady149 23 November 2012 09: 10
      +1
      wait, a little more and Serdyukov will be positioned by the authorities as a hero "who exposed corruption ulcers at the highest level of management by personal example, a person who risked his career and an honest name in order to highlight the level of corruption of the current bureaucracy." The question is: who will pick up this trend, the government or the opposition.
      Although there is another scenario:
      - Now is not the 37th year.
      -It's a pity.
      - So can we return the positive that will allow us to defeat corruption by creatively comprehending our historical heritage?
      - Urrrya-aaaaa !!!!
      1. Joker
        Joker 23 November 2012 09: 29
        +10
        Yeah, I remember some recalling that corruption was shot in China and they say that they say that corruption is flourishing anyway. Damn, at least get moral satisfaction from his execution, they would have shot the stools and I would have been glad and many more, I think, at least something. In general, in Russia, as it was customary, if the damned thief (a thief in the modern world) then he was killed and his whole family with relatives and children, they say his parents raised it in their own way, and they killed children because their father also raised it in their own way . In my opinion, all this must be returned, but for the payment of the stolen to sell all the property of the executed. In general, I was disappointed in Putin.
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 23 November 2012 10: 04
          +4
          Joker
          Quote: Joker
          In general, I was disappointed in Putin.
          Sadly, I’ll throw you another reason for disappointment ...
          "The Ministry of Labor and the departments of the economic bloc should conduct a comprehensive analysis of the consequences of Russia's accession to the WTO for the domestic labor market and submit concrete proposals on reducing negative effects in the coming months," Putin said at a meeting of the Security Council dedicated to Russia's accession to the WTO (http: //ria.ru/economy/20121121/911647067.html). "
          That is, they were "in a hurry" with the WTO, "negative effects" began to manifest themselves, who would have thought request lol And apparently serious "effects", since they are discussing at the Security Council. Let's go optimization - abbreviations, the most favorite way of recent times. We have the same thing in production. Reduced in the spring, rumor has it that there will be another "optimization". By the way, the Collective Agreement was remade, cleaning out most of the benefits ...

          Quote: Joker
          In general, in Russia, as it was customary, if the damned thief (a thief in the modern way) then he was killed and his whole family with relatives and children, they say his parents brought up that means by his own example, and they killed the children because their father also brought up by his own example .
          There is something to ponder. And this is not cruelty - but self-purification ... from parasites.
          hi
          1. Joker
            Joker 23 November 2012 10: 20
            +4
            Z.A.M.

            Putin continues the Yeltsin’s affair, which he imprisoned after himself, many forgot about this for some reason, as well as the fact that Putin secured his mentor from criminal prosecution by issuing a presidential decree. That’s the WTO on the nose, now many will go bankrupt and reduce workers, the unemployed will jump up immediately, and we will also be brought in migrants. Crowding us out slowly sad EBN did it in a snap, and Putin carefully and unobtrusively adopted the tactics of his American colleagues.
            There is something to ponder. And this is not cruelty - but self-purification ... from parasites.

            We understand this, and the other day I argued on some website with people, they suggested introducing criminal liability for drug use, I supported of course, because so much slop was poured on me, they say I'm a sadist, they are all poor people and unfortunate, they must be treated and not planted. In short, delirium of a madman, it is clear that no one came across nariks, if they robbed someone in the alley, then they would speak differently. Until the thunder strikes, the man does not cross himself, this is straightforward about us, we must fundamentally solve problems at the initial stages. while by small efforts it is possible to solve the problem, but no, we will pull until the last. Now everyone with the WTO is sitting and silent, but as soon as many are fired, I’ll leave the rally, but it will be too late, before it had to be done
        2. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 10: 55
          +11
          Quote: Joker
          In general, I was disappointed in Putin.

          "+" You are not alone and far from today !!! recourse
        3. alexdol
          alexdol 26 November 2012 19: 27
          +1
          Joker RU "In general, I am disappointed in Putin."
          I agree with you! I just want to note the following. In order to be "disappointed" you first had to BELIEVE in him! I never believed in Putin! Why? First of all, because who nominated it? Everyone should remember EBN! He is his protégé.! And he justified the "TRUST" shown to him!
          What did he do during his presidency? Yes, in essence - NOTHING! The embezzlement of the budget went on and on! The army is being destroyed, although there is a lot of talk about its modernization. Well, I think this is a diversion. Serdyukov's example is illustrative. But Shoigu was appointed ... I couldn't say anything good about him either, but here he was DIFFERENT! Artist - appoints "adviser to the Minister of Defense" ????
          What is it - there are not enough matyukov !!! I was hoping that the example of Gaddafi would be a good lesson for Putin and he would finally come to his senses and really take measures to restore and increase the military power of RUSSIA, but judging by the latest appointments and actions of the new minister, I see that my hopes did not materialize ....
    5. Fox 070
      Fox 070 23 November 2012 10: 49
      +7
      Quote: predator.3
      why Minister A. Serdyukov immediately after the search rushed to President V. Putin.

      This is a question from the series "Why is the sky blue?", "Why is the water wet?", "Why does a thief protect a thief?" ...
      1. yustas
        yustas 23 November 2012 12: 20
        +3
        Quote: Fox 070
        This is a question from the series "Why is the sky blue?", "Why is the water wet?", "Why does a thief protect a thief?" ...

        The question is more about how to break this circle ...
        More and more often I have a desire to take ... and disperse this pack, but as a revolution, too, is not an option, you and those like them are just waiting for this, however, there is a feeling that our government is pushing us to this. I want to make a mistake, but so far this is what I see ...
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 12: 36
          +8
          Quote: yustas
          . I want to make a mistake, but so far this is what I see ...

          Do you remember (?) What was shown by Central Television during the Emergency Committee? For a long time there was no broadcast of "Swan Lake" ... hi
          1. yustas
            yustas 23 November 2012 13: 04
            +2
            Quote: Fox 070
            Do you remember (?) what was shown by Central Television during the Emergency Committee? For a long time there was no broadcast of "Swan Lake" ...

            Of course I remember, the only time when on television they showed something worthwhile hi
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 23 November 2012 17: 18
          +1
          Despite successful revolutionary experience, the experience of palace coups is more successful in Russia. But I somehow fear them, because such upheavals are being made mine and for mine.
          Who is ours in the Kremlin?
        3. imguskov
          imguskov 24 November 2012 13: 45
          +1
          Even if 99,99% vote against Putin, he will force Churov to rig the elections and ascribe victory to himself, not only Putin, but the entire oligarchic system. There is no way to lose power to the oligarchs - this is the death of the oligarch as an oligarch, this is the deprivation of income from free oil, this is an investigation of thieves' frauds (today the investigation is underway by Georgian oligarchs sanctioned by Ivanishvili) and Putin and the oligarchs understand this well, so they will not give up power, and when they grow old Putin will find him a receiver, such as Medvedev or Prokhorov. Power can be replaced only under pressure, as it was in Poland or Moldova, or in Georgia itself more than once.
    6. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 November 2012 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: predator.3
      Through all his enviable service destiny, A. Serdyukov carried deep reverence to the concepts of his environment.

      Exactly. Laws for us, concepts for them.
    7. Botanologist
      Botanologist 23 November 2012 17: 14
      0
      Traitor - you, my friend, have talent. Write more often.
  3. sergey32
    sergey32 23 November 2012 07: 34
    +34
    Let me remind you of the words of Lee Kuan Yew, who put an end to corruption in Singapore: "It is easy to fight corruption. You need to have a person at the top who is not afraid to put his friends and relatives in prison." We don't have that.
    1. Pula
      Pula 23 November 2012 08: 06
      +4
      Yes, it is simple but difficult!
    2. Orik
      Orik 23 November 2012 08: 57
      +5
      Quote, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. hi
    3. nokki
      nokki 23 November 2012 09: 42
      +2
      The most correct remark !!!
    4. Blackscorp
      Blackscorp 23 November 2012 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: sergey32
      It is necessary that there was a person at the top who would not be afraid to put his friends and relatives. ”We don't have that.

      The whole truth in two sentences!
  4. gansik
    gansik 23 November 2012 07: 34
    +2
    really sorry!
    1. Pula
      Pula 23 November 2012 08: 07
      +1
      Would be the 37th, we were not on the forum.
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 23 November 2012 08: 35
        +4
        Pula, in '37 there was no Internet, and then there was no point in talking about corruption, because there was none. Information about the betrayal of the interests of socialism went behind the scenes
      2. strannik595
        strannik595 23 November 2012 15: 35
        -1
        the guardians of the return of 37 years, of course, do not see themselves in the arresting robes ....... but nothing
  5. Cavas
    Cavas 23 November 2012 07: 35
    +13
    ... We, Vladimir Vladimirovich, as you rightly noted, now is not the 37 year in the yard. But more and more I think - and it's a pity ...

    With one stroke of the pen, the author summed up the article and the aspirations of the people!
    Well really IT'S A PITY!

    After the dismissal of Serdyukov, the case of the infamous tax inspectorate No. 28 and its boss Stepanova also intensified. She is among those favorites whom the stool minister brought with him from the Federal Tax Service to the Ministry of Defense. Stepanova, as a former adviser to the head of Rosoboronpostavka, is suspected of organizing the theft of 8 billion rubles ($ 265 million). But this astronomical sum is far from the limit in its activity. It was announced that the fraudulent turnover of this inspection is 50 billion rubles, withdrawn from the state budget. 1,66 billion dollars. Extremely efficient business.

    In all the scandalous episodes discussed, one interesting pattern is observed: the main culprits are known to everyone, but they do not conduct investigative measures against them and do not initiate criminal cases.
    1. Pula
      Pula 23 November 2012 08: 22
      -1
      Quote: Cavas
      In all the scandalous episodes discussed, one interesting pattern is observed: the main culprits are known to everyone, but they do not conduct investigative measures against them and do not initiate criminal cases.

      Why did they create an off-system opposition, and to scream about corruption of the executive branch? And so that all forget about the western word MAFIA. Starting from the Supreme and ending with the Public, Power has become one. And no one notices this anymore. Everyone wants bread and circuses.
      Sorry not the 37th? Yes, wish for more - Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, or, more simply, Caligulu, but start with yourself - Do I need this?
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 23 November 2012 08: 44
        +5
        Quote: Pule
        And so that all forget about the western word MAFIA. Starting from the Supreme and ending with the Public, Power has become one.

        Are you talking about it?
        In connection with the latest events, Pavlovsky decided to stand up for Serdyukov - according to the political strategist, there is no more corruption in the Defense Ministry than in any other. The ex-minister, he said, was a victim of a system that used him and then betrayed him; and this is the difference between the new Kremlin rules of the game and the old ones. Serdyukov "was dropped on the armed forces like a hydrogen bomb, already with a ready-made program - they said you will do this and that in such and such a time." To implement the program, he had to "create a small armed corruption brigade", and in the end - no gratitude from the Kremlin. Instead, the government began to destroy the system it created, in which it used to be like this: "if you are yours, you are not visible."

        "Which way is the Russian government heading?" Pavlovsky was asked. He replied that soon everyone would be surprised to find the answer to this question, and the authorities themselves would be most surprised.

        According to the political scientist, the system that Putin has built is not reformable, "therefore Putin is breaking it now. New things always look disgusting, idiotic. Therefore, I urge you to be tolerant."

        "Now some clans are being formed at the top, they have not yet fully formed, - explained Pavlovsky. - I see no other way, except for the creation of new coalitions."


        Well, that’s where we started ... and it’s not called Mafia, but the system ...

      2. Igarr
        Igarr 23 November 2012 09: 07
        +11
        And do not wish yourself the 37th ..
        get Caligula, definitely.
        Already received ... a bunch of little Caligula.
        13-room apartment, ... piles of piles, ... these emergency lights ..
        ...
        These petty Kaligul are tired of Putin, who does not want to become either a great Caligula, or at least little Stalin - and they will dump him.
        And come .. big Caligula.
        Which will surely become - the image and likeness of Stalin. But in the opposite direction.
        ..
        This is not a group, not a codla, not a gang. Not the mafia.
        This is a pack.
        A flock of rabid wolves.
        Raging animals - they shoot them, don't they?
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 23 November 2012 11: 00
          +10
          Quote: Igarr
          A flock of rabid wolves.

          I would say KAGAL OF DRAWING JACKALS... "+" yes
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 23 November 2012 13: 02
            +5
            Yes Yes.
            They are not wolves.
            Dogs, feral, rabid dogs.
            They are not afraid of people because they are used to a person. The instincts remained - predatory - to devour everything they reach.
            And among themselves - the strictest hierarchy.
            But as soon as "Akela misses" - and will come to him .. a valuable northern fur animal.
            ...
            Will our Akela miss? Or not?
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 23 November 2012 15: 57
              +5
              Quote: Igarr
              - And he will come .. a valuable northern fur-bearing animal.

              Or a special car will come ...
          2. bask
            bask 23 November 2012 13: 48
            +5
            ! 00% off. Igarr, Felix ,,, gang, frantic shackles ,,,, Since August, the day I registered on the site .. The mood and opinion of the authorities and the presidency have sharply fallen in the negative direction .. Everyone, in my opinion, has fallen off the last, illusions about of this power .. The main question. What to do ??? Igarr, these dogs, not when they do not miss past prey .......
        2. sniper
          sniper 23 November 2012 12: 29
          +6
          Quote: Igarr
          And come .. big Caligula.

          Somewhere it sounded: ... "In a country where grayness reigns, sooner or later blacks come to power ..." Yes, this is a cup of ours ... In the traffic rules there is one article about the preventive responsibility of the driver as he controls the " danger ", maybe it is correct, but how many lives can the driver of a car cripple? One, ten, and the one who undertook to steer the country ????? Why are people who cripple the fate of millions not responsible for anything?
        3. Per se.
          Per se. 23 November 2012 13: 32
          +2
          Quote: Igarr
          This is not a group, not a codla, not a gang. Not a mafia. It's a pack. A pack of rabid wolves.
          Rather, these brazen parasites, a nest of lice on the body of Russia. We need a "Bath Day" and an intelligent orderly.
        4. sapulid
          sapulid 23 November 2012 21: 11
          0
          Damn, at least someone adequate. Only, not a pack, but a pack of comrades. New ones that come in rebellion will be like EBNu and so on.

          Only the one who knows about the repression by hearsay can regret the 37th. I lost my grandfather who was shot after the war of denunciation. Am I sorry? He went from Brest to Berlin, from the merchant to the battalion commander. He did not report that he was a son of a German nationality. The political instructor helped ...

          Want a repetition of the anarchy of the 90s? Who are you playing for? Russia? I doubt it. am Seem to be. Dissatisfied with the current government, then clearly articulate your requirements and raise the people under them.

          You know, if in Ireland the government is even going to do something against the electorate, then it gets mass protests. Sorry, but in this, we are superior.
  6. GHG
    GHG 23 November 2012 07: 38
    +11
    Indeed ... if we do not radically change our attitude to such facts, then we will never have a combat-ready army and navy. I would have chopped my hands and heads INDEPENDENTLY ... simply, but how to effectively affect the rest. These creatures are even worse than potential opponents ... wormholes from the inside.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 23 November 2012 11: 19
      0
      Quote: GES
      .if one does not fundamentally change attitudes toward such facts, then we will never have a combat-ready army and navy.

      I think that the attitude has changed a long time ago, at least in the army ...
    2. Fox 070
      Fox 070 23 November 2012 11: 49
      +7
      Quote: GES
      These creatures are even worse than potential opponents ... wormholes inside.

      Without words... yes
  7. Vanek
    Vanek 23 November 2012 07: 44
    +11
    Great and terrible Oorfene Juice - master of wooden soldiers and stool affairs, a master cannot be at the flywheel of the defense industry.

    Hello to everyone. hi
    1. YARY
      YARY 23 November 2012 07: 49
      +7
      HOW AND PRESENTED "LEADERS" OF THE 90S!
    2. Fox 070
      Fox 070 23 November 2012 11: 02
      +4
      Quote: Vanek
      Oorfene Jus

      Without words, just a bold plus "+" !!! good good good
  8. Shooter308ful
    Shooter308ful 23 November 2012 07: 49
    +5
    A year or two ago, at a government meeting around the end of the year, President Medvedev spoke in favor of Taburetkin for the complete disruption of the state procurement order. that if there was a 37th year, do you know where you would be sitting now after such a breakdown (we showed the meeting on the body). And I realized that the presidents understand the situation correctly in the country, but something prevents them from being true and honest both to themselves and to our people.
    Covering the inviolability of Taburetkin now, it may seem to the people, and not from one of you, sir, trough him?
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 23 November 2012 08: 05
      +6
      cooperative "lake" rules!
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 23 November 2012 08: 09
        +4
        Quote: predator.3
        cooperative "lake"


        "Horns and hooves"
        1. yustas
          yustas 23 November 2012 12: 54
          +2
          Quote: Vanek
          "Horns and hooves"

          So for sure, only with the amendment that the budget is built on oil, Anatoly will sound, swing, it’s oil ...
    2. avdkrd
      avdkrd 23 November 2012 13: 54
      +5
      Serdyukov is not an independent figure, he played according to the rules of the system and was guided by the requirements and instructions of those who put him first to head the tax RF, then the minister of defense. Who will punish him, imprison him, shoot him ??? Those who gave direct instructions? Or did Serdyukov do everything in secret? Buying rolling imports, destroying military education, military intelligence, tank repair factories and everything in secret? Or only in secret from the president and concurrently the supreme commander in chief? In this context, the "correct understanding" of the presidents sounds dull. Serdyukov, of course, is rubbish, but he is the performer (pawn) of whom they sacrificed to the crowd, although they have not yet been brought and may not be, but will simply be rearranged to another cell,
      They clearly have one trough, but Serdyukov was hardly the first to eat from it.
  9. Hleb
    Hleb 23 November 2012 07: 51
    +19
    Indeed, why discourage
    1. Pula
      Pula 23 November 2012 08: 25
      +2
      When you want to hand over your own, look around - Brutus is nearby!
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 23 November 2012 11: 19
      +4
      Of course, it would be nice to place him in one of the Russian prisons. But our superman doesn’t give up his homies.
  10. smel
    smel 23 November 2012 08: 03
    +3
    I do not believe in an objective investigation.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 23 November 2012 08: 48
      +5
      Yes, wait, where did you see the investigation to start?

      An investigation is when they grab someone at the bottom, and then they go up the chain to the organizers. Here on the bottoms grabbed. appointed switchman. And that is all. Because the organizers will not let themselves reach. The customer is the same ... Or is such a successful manager Serdyukov got out of bed in the morning and decided to steal a couple of billion? Laughter, and nothing more.

      Theft takes on an all-Russian character. And it is covered by those who are the most screaming about the fight against corruption.
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 23 November 2012 11: 15
        +5
        Quote: Banshee
        it is covered by those who are most screaming about the fight against corruption.

        IN THE THIEN AND THE HAT IS BURNING. "+" good
  11. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 23 November 2012 08: 06
    +24
    We have fun .... laughing
  12. Cavas
    Cavas 23 November 2012 08: 07
    +4
    The fact that Serdyukov was, to put it mildly, an unimportant minister

    Somehow you, Alexander, didn’t strike a whip along this smiling aphid not in a human way, you had to be more powerful, more powerful ... good
    And he, as he lived on "wood", and now lives.



    Article ++++++++++++++++
  13. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 23 November 2012 08: 17
    +5
    Talk only about personalities. Why no one asks the basic question of our life: WHERE IS MONEY, ZIN? It is not necessary to shoot corrupt officials, but to return the stolen money in full. They will serve their term and live happily ever after.
  14. Sarus
    Sarus 23 November 2012 08: 36
    +6
    This story will calm down like the story of casinos near Moscow ... Everything will be forgotten and reconciled ... They just find a new scandal and turn their attention to it ...
    PS
    I would very much like to see how all those guilty would be arrested .. They would make an open trial .. A fair sentence ... And they would show where they put them ..
    A sort of reality show ... "You will be imprisoned and you do not steal."
  15. patriot2
    patriot2 23 November 2012 08: 38
    +4
    In Russia, without the "fas" team, not a single criminal case involving the "elite-elite" has been investigated and brought to its logical conclusion. This is a caste of "untouchables", and you mean '37. The stigma is in the cannon of many of them. Who are their friends-accomplices abroad? Then everything in your head will turn out as it should. The thief sits on the thief and drives the thief. wassat
  16. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 23 November 2012 08: 43
    +7
    The author correctly notes that if the main ministers for their crimes do not start to sit down, then our esteemed president can say goodbye to his chair.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 23 November 2012 09: 35
      +3
      Alas, I do not believe it. Sorry, minus accidentally clicked
    2. sniper
      sniper 23 November 2012 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: IlyaKuv
      that if the main ministers for their crimes do not start to sit down, then our esteemed president can say goodbye to his chair.

      And we with our country .... although with our own?
  17. Averias
    Averias 23 November 2012 08: 52
    +5
    This is what I can't understand, but why was it necessary to raise all this cheese boron from the Ministry of Defense. After all, there is no sense. Those who are kept in custody are zilch, these are Fuchs (Golden Calf). But what I refuse to believe is that V.V. Putin is so stupid (let the President not be offended) - to take off Serdyukov with one hand, and with the other hand ... could not). He is a smart guy, smart and forward-thinking. And if so, it means that something is happening that we do not know, because everything that is happening now is absurd. Either gradually the "wolves" are put on flags or is it really phantasmagoria and obscurantism. I want to believe in the first.
    1. military
      military 23 November 2012 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: Averias
      Either gradually the "wolves" are put on flags or is it really phantasmagoria and obscurantism. I want to believe in the first.

      I want to, but it doesn’t work ... request
    2. military
      military 23 November 2012 12: 02
      +3
      Quote: Averias
      Or gradually "wolves" are put on flags

      regarding flags ... it all depends on the individual perception of who he is - the chosen one of the people or the protege of EdRa and whose interests for him, respectively, are dominant ... if you remember that in the presidential elections, EdRo exploited administrative resources to the limit and applied titanic efforts to inflate the percentage, and the party itself is the brainchild of Putin (no matter how much he distance himself from it) - then the dilemma between the chosen one and the protege for many does not exist ... just as there is no "theory of flags" ... request
    3. Captain45
      Captain45 24 November 2012 20: 35
      0
      Quote: Averias
      something that we don’t know is happening, because all that is happening now is absurd.

      "The dream of reason gives birth to monsters"
  18. 123dv
    123dv 23 November 2012 09: 15
    +4
    Lots of wonderful comments.
    Only now not 37, not 37, no ........
    We are on the threshold of 41 years, and this must be courageously realized, friends ...
    Not much time left to suck.
  19. awg75
    awg75 23 November 2012 09: 23
    +4
    if Uncle Vova doesn’t put Taburetkin and Vasilyev personally, I personally will stop respecting him and he will no longer be the president for me, like for so many in our country ..... I would like to believe that he will do everything right
  20. Bigriver
    Bigriver 23 November 2012 09: 33
    +1
    On an emotional level, I want to complain about the company: yes, yes, yes, alas .., not the 37th: ((((
    Do we have a spare team of the most honest cleansing managers up our sleeve? A team of pros with clean hands, cold heads and warm hearts? A size, several hundred people ...
    Today, the cleaning company in the style of the 37th has every chance to grow quietly into a company for the re-switching of financial flows.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 23 November 2012 10: 15
      0
      Do not have time to reconnect.
      A team of pros with clean brains, dull eyes and cold ears will be bought up at the time of signing the education order.
      And in a year they’ll disband. As unnecessary.
    2. Orik
      Orik 23 November 2012 16: 46
      +2
      And did someone create this team? No, but we can help, I personally know about a dozen of them.
  21. Strashila
    Strashila 23 November 2012 09: 44
    +6
    And what is surprising ... there is another indicative case, the so-called "gambling", it was also quietly leaked.
    1. military
      military 23 November 2012 10: 24
      +7
      Quote: Strashila
      And what is surprising ... there is another indicative case, the so-called "gambling", it was also quietly leaked.

      what else did you expect from our "law enforcement officers"? ... they have been at the peak of inadequacy lately ... yesterday at Malakhov's program they discussed the Samara incident - a gorilla-like jock pounced on the buyer who made a remark to him, professionally noted it, then returned, in order to purposefully kill him ... and killed him ... he was previously convicted twice ... his dad was "born" from law enforcement agencies ... the "snoopers" were charged with unintentional murder (2 years), the "kuroshupy" supported ... request
      I even have a better attitude towards the Dagestani Mirzaev than towards this Samara gorilla, protected by a "law enforcement" dad ... No.
      1. Syrdon
        Syrdon 23 November 2012 11: 18
        +6
        Mirzaev is a victim of circumstances; he did not beat deliberately in order to kill. So, gave a slap in the face, the deaf guy fell unsuccessfully. Mirzaev did not return to finish him off, on the contrary he helped to get up and put him in a car. The death of Agafanov is entirely the fault of the doctors of that medical institution where he was brought. This can happen to all of us. A man from Samara is a real killer, watch the video, everything can be seen there as he comes back and heraches him, already lying down, with his foot on the head.
      2. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 23 November 2012 11: 22
        +2
        military
        I agree with the comment. Saw. Although the Malakhov show I do not accept
        Interestingly, there is a VIDEO of this murder, namely the murder. But even in the hall there were morons who spoke about the adequacy of the "gorilla". Either they do not understand the meaning of the word (inclined to this), or ... really morons are over.
  22. Witch
    Witch 23 November 2012 10: 01
    +2
    Yeah, and so it all started well ....
  23. understudy
    understudy 23 November 2012 10: 18
    +1
    Quote: Pule
    Yes, it is simple but difficult!

    However, TAM did away with her in a very limited time. There would be a desire ... and a will.
  24. 8 company
    8 company 23 November 2012 10: 42
    -7
    Article title - "We're really not 37 years old now. It's a pity." - testifies to the clearly expressed hatred of the author of the article towards his own people, because in 1937 most of the citizens of the USSR killed according to regional orders were former dispossessed, traders, clergymen, officials, officers of the Imperial Army and other "former", many people were killed on suspicion of what - that activity, which was called "counter-revolutionary". To put it bluntly: the revolutionaries destroyed the counter-revolutionaries. Although it can be assumed that the author does not know this. For 2012. this is unlikely, but just in case, I advise him to read the following documents (they are on the net):
    February 23 - March 5, 1937 Materials of the plenum of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, almost entirely devoted to the political justification of the unfolding mass repressions.
    July 2, 1937 Resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks 'On anti-Soviet elements'
    July 5, 1937 Resolution of the Politburo 'On family members of convicted traitors to the Motherland'
    July 31, 1937 Operational order of the NKVD 00447 'On the operation to repress former kulaks, criminals and other anti-Soviet elements'
    August 15, NKVD operative order 00486 “On the repression of wives of traitors to the motherland, members of the right-wing Trotsky spy and sabotage organizations, convicted by the Military College and military tribunals in the first and second categories, starting from August 1, 1936”.
    You can simply type “orders of the NKVD” in the search engine, everything is clearly visible: who, how, where, who organizes, etc.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 23 November 2012 11: 35
      +13
      8 company,
      As always...
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 23 November 2012 11: 58
        +3
        Fox 070

        I didn’t laugh ... I just laughed laughing laughing laughing

        No offense 8 company, That's just funny wink
        1. 8 company
          8 company 23 November 2012 16: 21
          -6
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          I didn’t laugh ... I just laughed


          On, whimper still:

          ... Leo Schwartzman, who participated in the investigations into the cases of high-ranking military leaders, testified at the interrogation:
          - First, high-ranking officials Merkulov and Wlodzimirsky applied physical methods of influence to Meretskov, and then I and investigators Zimenkov and Sorokin. He was beaten with rubber sticks. Before Meretskov, there were testimonies of over 40 witnesses that he was a member of a military conspiracy.
          The commander of the Air Force of the Red Army, the commander of the 2nd rank Loktionov Alexander Dmitrievich is one of the few who endured lengthy sophisticated torture and did not give incriminating testimonies to other people. His courage astounded even seasoned NKVD investigators. He was shot in the village of Barbysh near Kuibyshev in 1941.
          From the testimony of a former investigator of the NKVD Semenov:
          - I personally saw how Meretskov and Loktionov were brutally beaten during the investigation. They were not just moaning, but simply roaring in pain ... They were especially brutal with Stern. There was no living place on it. At each interrogation, he lost consciousness several times ... Loktionov was brutally beaten, covered in blood, his appearance also acted on Meretskov, who exposed him. Loktionov refused, and Wlodzimersky, Schwartzman and Rhodes continued to beat him in turn and together in front of Meretskov, who urged Loktionov to sign everything they wanted from him. Loktionov roared in pain, rolled on the floor, but did not agree ...
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 24 November 2012 20: 40
            0
            It so happens that "
            Quote: Company 8
            The commander of the Air Force of the Red Army, the commander of the 2 rank Loktionov Alexander Dmitrievich is one of the few who endured lengthy sophisticated torture and did not give incriminating evidence in other people
            . and Meretskov -
            Quote: Company 8
            Meretskov, who urged Loktionov to sign everything they wanted from him.

            So who is the hero?
    2. Bigriver
      Bigriver 23 November 2012 12: 14
      +3
      8 company
      ... revolutionaries destroyed counterrevolutionaries

      Everything is exactly the opposite. The counter-revolutionaries destroyed the Evolutionaries, the headless apostles of the world fire.
      1. 8 company
        8 company 23 November 2012 13: 17
        -3
        Quote: BigRiver
        Everything is exactly the opposite. Counterrevolutionaries destroyed rEvolutionaries


        For me, it doesn’t matter, especially since under those conditions anyone could fall into either category. An interesting document of the era is an extract from the minutes of the party meeting in the turbine workshop of the Kirov plant in Leningrad:
        'PROTOCOL No. 8
        the general party assembly of members and candidates of the VKP (b) turbine workshop of the Kirov Plant from 8 in October 1937.
        Present: 143 people.
        Chairman: Zinger. Secretary: Kolyshkin.
        AGENDA:
        1. Party committee report (secretary s / c. SMIRNOV)
        2. Miscellanea.
        HEARD:
        Report of the secretary of the party committee so SMIRNOVA who said that the election of the party committee depends on the members and candidates of the CPSU (b). The party committee began its work in June of this year. During this time, work has been done to change the composition of the organization.
        Retired from the organization, excluding the excluded: 5 people. Took: 3 people. Translated from candidates: 5 people. Excluded: 18 people.
        Individual party members were excluded only by the decision of the party committee.
        BORN was expelled because he was associated with the enemy of the people KOLETSKY, who was associated with the enemy MARKOVSKY, for the loss of class vigilance. Myslitsky was expelled from the party and is now taken by the organs of N.K.V.D. NECRASOV was endured with political distrust. PREI was expelled because he facilitated the transition, for political distrust he was expelled from the party. FUNIKOVA wife, working in the SKB, was engaged in counter-revolutionary conversations, went and visited the Polish church. FUNIKOV did not understand this, for insincerity before the party he was expelled. IOSELEV was expelled from the party because he was closely associated with KOZDROY. DUKMASOV was expelled for breaking away from party life (not attending meetings). KAPUSTIN was expelled from the party for the fact that things were not going well on cold rolling. The shoulder blades are not persistent, reduces by 20%. They slapped with the exposure of enemies with party membership cards: TRUSKOVSKY, KAMASHIN are involved in the 58th century, as spies. KAZAKEVICH was expelled during the exchange of his party card for the fact that, being abroad, he had a relationship with one teacher and had a correspondence with her. When deciding on the expulsion, the party committee did the right thing ... '
        Quoted from the book 'RUSSIA, XX CENTURY. DOCUMENTS. LUBYANKA. STALIN AND THE GENERAL DEPARTMENT OF STATE SECURITY NKVD in 1937-1938. ' Compiled by:
        V.N. Khaustov, V.P. Naumov, N.S. Plotnikova
        1. atos_kin
          atos_kin 23 November 2012 20: 48
          +6
          You are preferable to change the nickname to : 6 ward.
    3. military
      military 23 November 2012 15: 35
      +3
      Quote: Company 8
      The title of the article - "We really are not 37 years old now. It's a pity" - testifies to the clearly expressed hatred of the author of the article to his own people

      and for some reason, I see the author’s contempt for the rotten system through and through ... request however, everyone sees what he sees ...
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 November 2012 15: 43
      +7
      Quote: Company 8
      The title of the article - "We really are not 37 years old now. It's a pity" - testifies to the clearly expressed hatred of the author of the article towards his own people,

      Well dear, you have bent. Although this is your repertoire, you should not be surprised.
    5. vardex
      vardex 24 November 2012 04: 47
      +3
      it wouldn’t be 37 would not have come 45
  25. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 23 November 2012 10: 55
    +4
    what a nasty face
  26. grizzlir
    grizzlir 23 November 2012 10: 58
    +8
    You guys talk a lot about people who are arrogantly stealing from the pocket of the state. And I see this as not just embezzlement of funds from the budget of the Ministry of Defense. These moral freaks appropriated the funds that should go for the army. , medicines. In case of military operations, soldiers pay with blood for the chic life of these snickering officials. And they must be judged according to the article treason to the Motherland.
  27. rate
    rate 23 November 2012 11: 05
    -2
    Not 37 years. And you are not Stalin. Compare.
  28. liachenko
    liachenko 23 November 2012 11: 07
    0
    A short article about: Why do people run with barking in a circle behind their own tail, or why we don’t understand what kind of crisis is unfolding in the yard, in which there are only two options: A planetary nuclear catastrophe or building a Just Society for All. http://www.casocialism.com/2012/09/blog-post_1355.html
  29. Syrdon
    Syrdon 23 November 2012 11: 20
    +2
    It seems to me that if not landing, then physical elimination. The second is closer, because Serdyukov can talk, and many will not really like it.
    1. military
      military 23 November 2012 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: Syrdon
      It seems to me that if not landing, then physical elimination. The second is closer, because Serdyukov can talk, and many will not really like it.

      this "foreman" will not have time to speak, even with a very strong desire - he will not live to see the trial, the "plowmen" will pull out his tongue at once by the roots ... recourse
  30. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 23 November 2012 11: 20
    0
    Here we are all indignant at what is happening in the country - corruption, impunity of high ranks, inequality of citizens before the law, disregard for people, but was this system built with our tacit consent ?? And now what are the levers of the people to influence the government, and at least the petty official? Yes, almost none!
    1. grizzlir
      grizzlir 23 November 2012 11: 33
      +4
      Quote: Lakkuchu
      corruption, impunity of high ranks, inequality of citizens before the law, disregard for people, and is it not with our tacit consent that this system was built ?? And now what are the levers of the people to influence the government

      And what levers of influence do you think may be. If you indicate from the very top all those dissatisfied with the authorities as liberals, orangeists, Washington's henchmen, etc. etc.
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu 23 November 2012 11: 45
        +3
        Quote: grizzlir
        And what levers of influence do you think may be. If you indicate from the very top all those dissatisfied with the authorities as liberals, orangeists, Washington's henchmen, etc. etc.

        ABOUT! This is not the worst. In the Caucasus, if you are dissatisfied with the authorities and dare to publicly announce this at a rally, for example, it is good if you are not beaten with batons, but you will automatically become an enemy of the state - an extremist, a Wahhabi with a further unenviable fate.
  31. Farkash
    Farkash 23 November 2012 11: 32
    +9
    A year ago on this forum 90% of ass participants vomited for Putin and K.о, now, look, smarter. Congratulations, hamster citizens! laughing
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 23 November 2012 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: Farkash
      A year ago, on this 90 forum,% of ass participants vomited for Putin and Co., now, I look, they have become smarter.


      Do not gloat, dear .... Everyone tends to make mistakes, but smart - will see clearly. There were hopes, there were expectations .... Hope, as usual, dies last. ...Everything. Died.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 23 November 2012 14: 40
        +1
        Stop.
        Let's not drive horses, huh?
        A year ago, they said that they would have removed Serdyukov.
        Serdyukov removed.
        Now we want to. so that he would be torn off his eggs, and then planted, and then shot.
        Well, not all at once.
        What are we offended by? What is not our way? What is slow?
        Then it would not be the President - but the cavalry cutter, Budyonny, for example.
        ...
        vadimN writes - "Hope, as usual, dies last. ... That's all. Died."
        No, not dead yet.
        But, the patient is more likely dead than alive.
        1. Farkash
          Farkash 23 November 2012 17: 00
          +2
          Now we want to. so that he would be torn off his eggs, and then planted, and then shot.

          We want Pu tore off his own eggs. laughing
      2. grizzlir
        grizzlir 23 November 2012 14: 45
        +4
        Quote: vadimN
        Do not gloat, dear .... Everyone tends to make mistakes, but smart - will see clearly. There were hopes, there were expectations .... Hope, as usual, dies last
        laughing Yes, I’m 100% sure that the next election will happen now, the media will go through the brains, will pile on promises again in three boxes. Most of them will start tearing his shirt on his chest. So, the Russian mentality, to believe in a better king.
        1. military
          military 23 November 2012 15: 48
          +1
          Quote: grizzlir
          Such is the Russian mentality, to believe in a better king.

          Mr. Putin v3.0? ... "Enter" or "Delete"? ... recourse
    2. Syrdon
      Syrdon 23 November 2012 15: 16
      +2
      It's not over yet. If the stool is planted, the vector is the correct one. If not, then Putin unfortunately *** is talking about all those who voted for him, because they voted for him precisely this sweat, so that the Bosko would tear for unbridled bribery.
      1. grizzlir
        grizzlir 23 November 2012 15: 31
        +8
        Quote: Syrdon
        If the stool is planted, the vector is the correct one.

        You watch TV. I was fortunate enough to watch Putin’s speech a week ago when he was asked a question about Serdyukov’s fate. In his own words: the investigation has no questions for him, he will be arranged for a job that he will pick up.What kind of landing are you talking about?

        Here is the video.
        I want to remind you that the same VV Putin, before the last trial of DU Budanov, said at a press conference that Budanov was guilty and would be punished. With respect to the soldier who fought, for some reason the principle of innocence before the trial did not apply.
        1. military
          military 23 November 2012 15: 57
          +5
          Quote: grizzlir
          In relation to the soldier who fought, for some reason the principle of innocence before the trial did not apply.

          then some kind of soldier ... and this is his own, blood ... themis does not equal such ... request
      2. military
        military 23 November 2012 15: 51
        +2
        Quote: Syrdon
        because they voted for him precisely this sweat, so that the Bosko would tear for unbridled bribery.

        the paradox is that he did not seem to be aware of such a motivation for his electorate ... or guessed, but ... this is a completely different story ... feel
  32. in reserve
    in reserve 23 November 2012 12: 13
    +1
    However, it is not difficult to predict the acid reaction that will inevitably appear in society if Serdyukov is not even interrogated in the Oboronservis case. Without this, all the PR’s power will go down the drain, turn negative and it will become clear that it was better not to touch anything than to touch in this way.

    An acid reaction will occur if they don’t put him in prison. If he has taken it, then he must be beaten to the end.
    Another is that the boyars ceased to reckon with the king. No, outwardly, everything was still the same - the honors and honoring remained in place. But if earlier hands on the budget were launched at the elbows, now now - on the shoulders.

    So the boyars need to chop all the beards.
    1. military
      military 23 November 2012 16: 18
      +7
      Quote: in stock
      If you already took it, you need to beat to the end.

      groped ... took ... squeezed ... felt pain ... looked down ... bah! their own ... let go ... took a breath ... fuh, it blew! ... request
  33. wax
    wax 23 November 2012 12: 22
    +7
    For Putin, the hour of truth has come. Without crushing the reptile, he will expose the country to the possibility of a mass confrontation with the appearance of chances for the fifth column.
  34. dmb
    dmb 23 November 2012 12: 24
    +9
    Guys, what executions and confiscations? A bit of educational program. When the UK, represented by Mr. Markin, on the day of the arrest of Smetanina and her husband, told Grada and Mira that they had been detained as accomplices in embezzlement of funds from the treasury, it was still possible to say that such a thing was possible. But in today's del, all those arrested are charged with fraud, i.e. theft by Trickery and Abuse of Trust. But this means that the insidious Smetanina and others deceived the gullible Vasilyev and Serdyukov, and those who allowed them to purchase official junk at low prices did not know anything and did not know. Citizens dealing with privatization will say that this could not be. But, as they say, do not believe your eyes. Therefore, Mrs. Vasilyeva will not only return her little gold coin with her pants, but also apologize to this immaculate woman for the inconvenience. And Smetanin will be punished by the harsh hand of Russian justice in the form of a conditional sentence.
  35. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 23 November 2012 12: 36
    +1
    My daughter will answer for everyone, she loved to ride the sleigh now, it wasn’t the load that was drawn up for her, but to feed someone if something happened, pay, and Serdyukov is likely to go dry as a warning to suckers, there’s no proof there’s no crime, but suspicions and hostility can not be planted so we quickly sit on anonymous letters.
    She has a chance of a deal with the investigation. If she has stored in the cache a compromise for anything like that, it will save her. If not, she’s a fool. laughing

    To fight corruption, we need professional personnel, and not just haters of corruption, there are few such people in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, dough movement schemes are cunning and legally clean, military service and courses are not enough to understand them, you cannot shoot bypassing legal norms, because those who require blood, they will begin to donate everything and everyone for the competition for a parking place for a woman, etc.
    We need consultants from various business sectors, lawyers to explain where the weak point in the scheme is, all the cases in the court are raining because of the naivety and stupidity of the UK. Well, of course, the pressure on the investigation is a serious problem, the publicity of the process can fight this, a closed process is a purchased process
  36. garnag
    garnag 23 November 2012 12: 49
    +4
    Shoot the parasites!
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 23 November 2012 17: 48
      0
      Quote: garnag
      Shoot the parasites!

      The main thing here is to correctly determine who the parasite is and how to recognize it
  37. Black
    Black 23 November 2012 13: 09
    +4
    Power must be changed. There will be this, everything will be the same. Switchmen, small fry, in order to raise the rating, will periodically land (not on a count), and nothing more!
    The author doesn’t need to recklessly operate with words-37, shoot, etc. Do you think to shoot? What about the wall? You, your family? The presidents of castling in those years were.
  38. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 23 November 2012 13: 27
    +2
    I have never doubted our president, in the sense that he was not going to fight corruption. He and Smerdyakov have a brawl.
    Really sorry that is not the 37th.
    To the author - plus!
  39. USNik
    USNik 23 November 2012 13: 48
    +2
    For Putin, the hour of truth has come. Without crushing the reptile, he will expose the country to the possibility of a mass confrontation with the appearance of chances for the fifth column.

    I agree, the high-profile case turns into a loud bunch, the media are pumping up showing devastation in the military towns and immediately 13 room mansions with heaps of money. And in the bullpen sits nipoymi-some petty thief on whom they are trying to pull the "missing" billions ... It's funny comrades and it's a shame, the GDP must be taken abruptly, otherwise hello swamp ...
  40. Bigriver
    Bigriver 23 November 2012 14: 17
    0
    USNik
    GDP should be drastically done ...

    I do not agree. No need to do anything abruptly.
    According to fragmentary information, the current measures have been prepared since spring. Not three weeks have passed since Oboronservis appeared on everyone's lips. Let the investigation work.
    Finally .. let's get your stools!
    IMHO, the main thing in this whole process, will the stool and the rest sit down? The main thing is that our so-called the elite understood, mastered the signal: anti-state actions are inevitably punishable, without belonging to certain groups and the degree of loyalty to the highest authority.
  41. Owl
    Owl 23 November 2012 14: 26
    +5
    Now in Russia such criminal acts as betrayal of the motherland (betrayal), embezzlement on an especially large scale, fraud, deceit are dealt with by the entire government of the country. The coming to power of Stalin now scares all leaders because ALL those who are now in power, with the real implementation of the Law, will receive either a life sentence or execution.
  42. George
    George 23 November 2012 14: 33
    +3
    In my opinion, they all wanted to spit on us. It's time to dig out your Kalashnikov.
  43. taseka
    taseka 23 November 2012 14: 47
    +5
    Press from above - DO NOT FOLLOW! FOR!
  44. polly
    polly 23 November 2012 16: 02
    +4
    Everyone would immediately forget what it is ...
  45. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 23 November 2012 16: 37
    +4
    <<<< ... Here, Vladimir Vladimirovich, as you rightly noted, now it is not 37th year. But more and more often I think - what a pity ...
    Author Alexander Romano >>
    Already completely fed up with the tolerance and humanism of the authorities towards the vryaky kind of freaks, crooks and thieves who have bred on this soil, which allows the largest defendants to evade responsibility, or, more simply, RULE corruption cases. But corruption is as dangerous for a state organism as a cancer is for a person, and there are known means that allow the body to be cured of this disease: this is the detection of a tumor (corruption) AT THE EARLY STAGE and REMOVAL of a tumor, namely a tumor, and not of metastases by surgery, i.e. ... REMOVAL OF THE MAIN FIGURE OF CORRUPTION, and not of minor, albeit significant, defendants, the removal of which, as practice unambiguously shows, does not “cure” corruption, but rather, on the contrary, contributes to the development of new bully sophisticated corruption schemes by the main defendants. There are NO other means of fighting corruption, namely the fight, and not its imitation! So wait ...
  46. Vadim-ragalevich
    Vadim-ragalevich 23 November 2012 18: 22
    +2
    “The fact that Serdyukov will be arrested in the coming days is beyond doubt. If this does not happen, then it will be possible to begin the countdown of the remaining days for Putin in the Kremlin. Leaving Serdyukov free, Putin will take over the betrayal. ”In my opinion, for many Russians and for me personally, Putin’s betrayal will be a huge disappointment!
  47. kostya
    kostya 23 November 2012 19: 23
    +1
    no words about Serdyukov. there is evidence, but he will not be imprisoned because there was no command "face" from above. if he remains at large, I will change my opinion about Putin and his entire anti-corruption policy. what then turns out: if you steal 1000 rubles, they will put you in jail for several years, and if you have a few billion, they will simply be fired and shake your finger. maybe I just don't understand something in our laws, but I think it's just a betrayal and treason to rob the military
  48. fedora
    fedora 23 November 2012 22: 46
    0
    ... “State regulatory and law enforcement agencies are not able to oppose anything to this scheme of embezzlement of budget funds. And not even because of the blatant corruption and loss of professionalism, but because they were originally created as part of the economy, as overseers were not de jure, but de facto. Moreover, to break the mechanism of the current economy means to plunge the country into economic and social chaos, drop it to the level of barter. Relative social stability is maintained solely due to the smooth operation of the model of the current system ”...

    Quote from the cycle of Oleg Markeev “The Price of Initiation”
  49. Normal
    Normal 23 November 2012 23: 22
    +3
    "Putin's nightingale" Mikhail Leontyev stated the following;
    "Corruption in Russia is a system of government. If corruption is removed, the state will collapse."
    It may not be literally true (I heard it on the radio in the car), but the meaning is just that.
    So, Putin will ruin the state and put Serdyukov in prison? I do not believe. All the power of GDP is based on the integrity of the elite. If he begins to pursue large thieves, he will lose the support of oligarchs and bureaucracy, and this is similar to death. Putin cannot rely on the people, as he despises ordinary people and is afraid of them.
    But I will not draw far-reaching conclusions. The authorities are not stupid people. They'll come up with something. Will carry out some kind of PR campaign and most of those commentators who write that they are disappointed in Putin will very soon portray the "return of the prodigal son"
    After all, we so want the tsar to be "good", and to deceive the one who is glad to be deceived will not be difficult.

    And only 8 company will be true to itself and will not turn off the anti-Stalinist course ...
    1. 8 company
      8 company 23 November 2012 23: 32
      -4
      Quote: Normal
      And only 8 company will be true to itself and will not turn off the anti-Stalinist course ...


      The stump is clear to me, with Russophobes justifying the extermination of the Russian people, and of others, not along the way. Kiss your jugashvili and kaganovichs on the lips or call them back on your knees so that they save you, the infantiles, from corruption and other problems - all this without me.
      1. Normal
        Normal 24 November 2012 02: 49
        0
        Andrey, what are you so nervous? I'm in a good sense.
        Quote: Company 8
        out of the way.

        Quote: Company 8
        all this without me.

        On the way, on the way, and with us, where you will get away from us ....
        And we will miss something without you ...
      2. vardex
        vardex 24 November 2012 04: 54
        +6
        I will give you a couple of quotes from the capitalist camp (from the camp which owns all the national wealth, the media, the power in the country and on whose orders they write "history" for you and people like you)
        The former US ambassador to the USSR, BIM, a talented spy who recruited a lot of political scum in the USSR, wrote in his memoirs that when “they brought him a heap of untidy sheets signed by Solzhenitsyn, he did not know what to do with this schizophrenic delirium”. When he “put dozens of talented and experienced editors in editing and revising these“ materials ”, he received the“ literary work “The Gulag Archipelago”.
        In his book The Art of Intelligence, former CIA chief Allen Dulles wrote: “In an attempt to cast a shadow over the liquidation of the enemy fifth column in the country, Khrushchev and his accomplices launched the legend of the so-called mass repression, as a result of which millions of people allegedly died innocently.
        The US Ambassador to Moscow (1937-1938) Davis wrote in his diary in the summer of 1941: Today, thanks to the FBI, we would know that Hitler's agents were operating everywhere, even in the USA .. The German entry into Prague was accompanied by active support for Gehlen's military organizations. The same thing happened in Norway (Quisling), Slovakia (Tiso), Belgium (De Grelle) ... However, we do not see anything like this in Russia. “Where are Hitler’s Russian accomplices?” I am often asked. “They were shot,” I answer.
        Even Thatcher called the company of slandering Stalin "howling jackals"
        1. DimYang
          DimYang 27 November 2012 13: 09
          0
          You can’t say more precisely!
  50. Egoza
    Egoza 23 November 2012 23: 40
    +3
    If you put Serdyukov in prison, he will pull Medvedev along with him. And this is a friend! In general, it is straightforward according to the Ukrainian scenario. We have Lazarenko "lying at the feet of President Kuchma, he felt humanly sorry for him, and he let him go to the USA" Now Julia is "sitting and lying" in a five-star cell ...
    Yes, not 37th year. And it would be possible to press against the nail - alone for life without any visits and communication (by the way, doctors say that almost 80% go crazy). The main thing is to return the stolen money to the treasury! And so after all, if you take on everyone ..... "samashed sums" will turn out. Therefore, it is not the power or the "system" that needs to be changed, but the STORY! Isn't it time to switch to socialist? Capitalism has already GOT ALL WORKERS!