An old Beijing joke about free Kuriles and free Korea

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An old Beijing joke about free Kuriles and free Korea

Analysts of the Ukrainian Center for International Studies, located, as it should be, in Kyiv, recently made an extremely original forecast, for someone, perhaps, unexpected and even shocking. It refers to the fact that the Russian Federation, China and the DPRK "... have a common goal: to create an anti-Western world order."

The claims of the current Ukrainian ideologists for an exclusive European status and some kind of universal primogeniture, it seems, simply push towards such assessments. What is called - everyone is judged by themselves.



However, in relation to the PRC and modern Russian-Chinese relations, the assessment made is most likely very close to the objective one. This is if everything is calculated and measured in a general geopolitical context. But somehow it doesn’t fit in the Far East ...

Recall that back in 1964, the PRC issued a declaration in support of the unambiguously Japanese affiliation of the entire Kuril archipelago. Given this approach, is it any wonder the sharp aggravation that happened just then in the relationship between the two communist superpowers.

A short time later, in 1973, at the 1978th Congress of the Communist Party of China, Premier Zhou Enlai accused the USSR of abandoning "the former promises of the Soviet revisionists to return" the South Kuriles to Japan. As early as XNUMX, when the actually termless Japanese-Chinese Friendship Treaty was signed, and then and later, Beijing assured Tokyo over and over again of the unchanged position of the PRC on the South Kuriles.

Since the second half of the 80s. and after the collapse of the USSR, the Chinese side prefers not to speak officially about the status of these islands. Russia, on the other hand, has been in no hurry to demand a “determination” for many years, and, accordingly, we can assume that the aforementioned position of Beijing has hardly changed.

In any case, in the Chinese press, the Russian Kuriles are still regularly referred to in Japanese as “northern territories”.

However, in response to the statement of the US Ambassador to Japan Emmanuel Rahm on February 9, 2022, about the unified position of Washington and Tokyo regarding the illegitimacy of the Soviet-Russian status of the South Kuriles, the Chinese Foreign Ministry on February 11, 2022 very defiantly distanced itself from the position of the Russian Federation on this issue:

"... The issue of the South Kuriles is a matter of bilateral relations between Russia and Japan, which should be properly resolved between the two sides."

At the same time, the DPRK, which in the West is considered to be a veiled satellite of China, initially supported and still supports Moscow's position on the South Kuriles. This was confirmed back in 1956, when the Soviet-Japanese declaration of October 19 was signed in Moscow, which designated the transfer - namely the transfer (but not the return ...) of Japan of the two islands of the South Kuril ridge.


As you know, the condition for such a transfer from the Soviet side was that it would take place only after the signing of a peace treaty between the USSR and Japan. This declaration for the first time outlined a possible redistribution of the post-war Far East-Pacific borders in favor of Japan.

In addition, the “prospect” of the transfer of the South Kuril Islands of Habomai and Shikotan to Japan in itself meant a green light for Japanese claims to a number of Chinese and Korean islands (Diaoyudao and Tokto, respectively). They are located on the strategic arteries between the East Asian seas and the Pacific Ocean, which today acquires a very special meaning.

However, let us repeat that Tokyo began to put forward its claims to the South Kuriles (to begin with), we note, precisely after the aforementioned Soviet-Japanese declaration. At the same time, according to a number of data, Kim Il Sung, the then leader of North Korea, sent a still unpublished letter to Moscow in November 1956.

There is information, which is considered unverified, that the letter was sharply negative in terms of the regional consequences of Japan's island promises from the USSR. And this assessment is fully confirmed by all subsequent events.

The first of these was such an unambiguous proposal by the head of the DPRK - in negotiations with the Soviet and Chinese delegations, he proposed organizing a Far Eastern analogue of the Helsinki Act. The idea was really sound - to collectively fix the inviolability of the post-war borders in the Far East. But Moscow and Beijing did not react to this initiative in any way.

A characteristic detail: despite the constant tough confrontation between Beijing and Taipei and at the same time Pyongyang with Seoul, we emphasize that all of them were invariably united in opposing Japanese claims to the Chinese and Korean islands. And almost together we are ready to jointly defend the territorial integrity of China and Korea.


And Japan has been convinced of this more than once. However, its islands are not the Russian Kuriles, and meanwhile the Russian Federation, itself under unprecedented pressure from the West, still regularly complies with US and UN sanctions against the DPRK.

And this despite the fact that Pyongyang is almost the only one in the world and almost the first to officially recognize the Russian status of Crimea, the independence of the DPR-LPR and their inclusion in Russia. North Korea has consistently provided political support to Russia in the UN.

So, it is hardly worth taking the participation of North Korea in the pro-Russian anti-Western alliance as something ambiguous…
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  1. +14
    March 17 2023
    Pyongyang is almost the only one in the world
    Here's who to be friends with! The only country that does not wag its tail for the sake of the West and the USA! Friendship is more valuable than money!
    1. +3
      March 17 2023
      The Russian Federation, itself under unprecedented pressure from the West, continues to regularly comply with US and UN sanctions against the DPRK.
      Well, at least he doesn't draw "red lines" ... Ugh, in a word.
      1. 0
        March 17 2023
        Russia, China and North Korea "...have a common goal: to create an anti-Western world order"

        Zapadentsy as always in the world of illusions. This is what reality sounds like:
        Due to economic dependence on China. "PRC with the help of the Russian Federation and the DPRK creates a new order." In my understanding.
    2. 0
      March 17 2023
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      Pyongyang is almost the only one in the world
      Here's who to be friends with

      The leadership of the DPRK has assessed the state of affairs between the DPRK and Russia since 2017 as a war. After all, Russia supplies Ukraine with diesel fuel for Ukrainian armored vehicles through Belarus and oil refineries owned by Russian oligarchs. And Russia keeps the DPRK in a tight blockade. In 2017, Putin and Lavrov promptly issued a tough decree criminalizing trade with North Korea. Abramovich, with impunity and free of charge, supplied the militants of the Azov punitive battalion with communications and intelligence equipment with special models of iPhones. The Ukrainians certainly demanded from Abramovich iPhones with functions for use in military affairs.
    3. 0
      March 23 2023
      Let's just say it's not the only one. Syria, Iran, Nicaragua, Venezuela
    4. 0
      March 27 2023
      Oligarchs don't know how to make friends. But in addition to North Korea, there is also Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela.
  2. +10
    March 17 2023
    meanwhile, the Russian Federation, itself under unprecedented pressure from the West, continues to regularly comply with US and UN sanctions against the DPRK.
    And we are proud of it? We don't care about sanctions, but they care about the "case"? smile
    1. +5
      March 17 2023
      Yes, we do not mind observing some sanctions on ourselves
      1. +2
        March 17 2023
        Quote: mark1
        Yes, we do not mind observing some sanctions on ourselves

        D.A. Medvedev, being president, himself took the initiative and we did not supply Iran with the S-300 ... Although no one asked him about it. As a result, the plant did not receive money for the completed contract, there was nothing to pay off the banks for the loan, to pay wages to the workers ... he, as DAM himself said: "There is no money, but you hold on" ...
        1. -1
          March 17 2023
          who doesn't make mistakes? and you and me, alas. but they fixed it. maybe not all, but a lot.
          1. +2
            March 17 2023
            Quote from: QuestionsNeudobny
            who doesn't make mistakes? and you and me, alas. but they fixed it. maybe not all, but a lot.

            Unfortunately, the actions of DAM and the GDP and Mavrov in 2017 are more like a CRIME than a mistake
  3. +4
    March 17 2023
    Pyongyang is almost the only one in the world and perhaps the first to officially recognize the Russian status of Crimea, the independence of the DPR-LPR and their inclusion in Russia.
    And Pyongyang, this recognition, does not threaten anything, up to its ears in sanctions, including from Russia, but from Russia, you can get bonuses for recognition.
    1. 0
      March 17 2023
      And Pyongyang, this recognition, does not threaten anything, up to its ears in sanctions, including from Russia, but from Russia, you can get bonuses for recognition.

      There is a certain meaning in this. Now Russia, together with China, is blocking the discussion of sanctions against the DPRK in the UN Security Council.
      Kyiv, even before the start of the NWO, rolled a barrel at the DPRK to please the United States. At the same time, the Americans themselves did not understand why the Ukrainians needed it. And North Korea adheres to the principle: to strike back with a blow. Why, by the way, do the Americans not arrange military provocations against the DPRK, but limit themselves to military exercises and always declare that they are not directed against the DPRK. Although, of course, no one believes this. With Iran, the Americans do not stand on ceremony, although there is a population of 86 million against 26 million in the DPRK and the territory is several times larger.
  4. +7
    March 17 2023
    It is enough to declare Khrushchev and his clique enemies of the people and declare that everything signed on the territorial issue is a betrayal, and accordingly, has no force. And never again refer to documents from the 50s. In the issue of the Kuriles, be guided only by the Act of Unconditional Surrender of Japan
    1. +3
      March 17 2023
      Quote: zharyoff
      It is enough to declare Khrushchev and his clique enemies of the people and declare that everything signed on the territorial issue is a betrayal, and accordingly, has no force.

      Khrushchev is a radish. But still. Do you have any idea what kind of chaos will come in the World if all countries begin to abandon previously adopted agreements with the advent of a new leader?
      1. +5
        March 17 2023
        if all countries begin to abandon previously adopted agreements with the advent of a new leader

        Well - the United States does this with enviable constancy, once every four years, a maximum of eight, and nothing - the world forgives them for this ..
      2. +2
        March 17 2023
        but sho, isn't that what Westerners do??? Mr. jug canceled everything that had been accepted before him. herr sholzmanovich too. monsieur gerontophile too. Mr. Curry only followed the order a little, although he also messed up notably. so if you look then the West does what is profitable. and we are worse?
      3. -1
        March 17 2023
        Quote: Boris55
        Do you have any idea what kind of chaos will come in the World if all countries begin to abandon previously adopted agreements with the advent of a new leader?

        Yeltsin and Gaidar abandoned agreements with many countries. But those refusals were beneficial to the United States and no one condemns them in the Russian media. And the abandonment of sanctions against the DPRK is not beneficial to the United States (and perhaps even China is unprofitable), so this refusal is condemned. In 1939, the USSR took Western Ukraine and Belarus from Poland, part of Karelia and the Petsamo region from Finland, from Romania-Moldova, annexed the Bukhara Khanate, annexed Tuva. As far as I know, according to the letter of the agreement, after Russia leaves Georgia, the Batumi region should return to Turkey, if not all of Georgia. It’s just that under Yeltsin it was believed that in 20 years Russia would at best remain in the Moscow region, the Urals, the Black Earth region, the Russian North and pieces of the Volga region. And Siberia, the Far East were to be divided by the USA and Japan with the transfer of a small part of the PRC as compensation. Walesa on all corners recently shouted about his desire to destroy 2/3 of the Russians, that is, about 100 million people. Even liberal Russian and Belarusian bloggers, when they are told about this frank cannibalism of Lech Walesa, claim that Walesa had in mind the dismemberment of Russia, that is, the rejection of the Helsinki Act. In principle, the collapse of Yugoslavia and the USSR is also a violation of previous agreements and the rejection of the act signed in Helsinki.
      4. 0
        March 17 2023
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: zharyoff
        It is enough to declare Khrushchev and his clique enemies of the people and declare that everything signed on the territorial issue is a betrayal, and accordingly, has no force.

        Khrushchev is a radish. But still. Do you have any idea what kind of chaos will come in the World if all countries begin to abandon previously adopted agreements with the advent of a new leader?

        Yes, this chaos already exists. The United States refuses all treaties that it considers unprofitable at the moment. As the saying goes "a gentleman is the master of his word, he wants to give, he wants to take back", so are mattress covers. They want to continue the contracts or they don’t leave at the moment, they want to leave in spite of everything. So chaos ALREADY EXISTS!!! hi
      5. +1
        March 17 2023
        maybe you should remember about the unreturned loans taken by Ukraine under Yanukovych but flatly not repaid under Poroshenko .. under precisely that pretext .. they say he took them ($$$) Yanek, let him give it back ... and that the world did not collapse no? ?
    2. +1
      March 17 2023
      Quote: zharyoff
      It is enough to declare Khrushchev and his clique enemies of the people and declare that everything signed on the territorial issue is a betrayal

      Khrushchev disavowed the proposal to transfer 2 islands to Japan by the fact that Japan rejected this proposal, and it had a time frame for Japan to accept. It's just that Brezhnev and Gorbachev themselves instructed the Foreign Ministry to start probing about the conditions for improving relations between Japan and the USSR and hinted at their readiness to give up not 2 but 4 islands. Under Yeltsin, even the sale of all the Kuril Islands for Japanese reel-to-reel video recorders was discussed.
    3. 0
      March 18 2023
      In 1956, there was a collegiate leadership, and without the consent of the members of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Bulganin (Presidium of Ministers, it was he who signed the document from the Soviet side), Voroshilov (Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet), Molotov, Malenkov and Kaganovich, this document would not have been adopted.
  5. 0
    March 17 2023
    The Russian Federation, itself under unprecedented pressure from the West, continues to regularly comply with US and UN sanctions against the DPRK.

    formally observes that the striped ones cannot be presented with a throw. actually fully supportive. North Korea is not Germany with an auto industry that is not even able to create multi-wheeled vehicles for ICBMs. and I’ll keep silent about the RD for Korean missiles.
  6. +2
    March 17 2023
    Quote from: QuestionsNeudobny
    actually completely supportive. North Korea is not Germany with an auto industry that is not even able to create multi-wheeled vehicles for ICBMs. and I will completely keep silent about the RD for Korean missiles.

    They didn’t want to sell the Volga to the North Koreans, they don’t sell oil and grain to them, what kind of transporters for ICBMs and RD for missiles are we talking about?
    Despite the fact that Russia does not have such an 11th transport as for Hwaseong-17 and has never beaten, as it has never beaten such a mobile ICBM.
    1. -1
      March 18 2023
      The number of axles in a mobile ICBM is not at all a reason for pride. The more axes, the less perfect the rocket.
  7. +2
    March 17 2023
    Because someone has Faberge from the wrong metal. So we look back at the West, we are in the face, and our hands are trying to appease them even more, instead of planting them in response
    1. +1
      March 17 2023
      Quote: T.A.V.
      Because someone has Faberge from the wrong metal.

      Faberge made of steel from North Korean designers and workers. They have created a military-industrial complex comparable to the modern Russian one and keep a trained army commensurate in size with the Russian one, covering equipment and personnel in fortified areas with a population of 30 million. But Kims adequately pay for the work of fellow citizens loyal to them. There, a military or army nurse is respected wealthy people against the backdrop of ordinary people, and not poverty against the backdrop of opposition bloggers and coffee shop owners, as in Putin's Russia.
      1. 0
        March 18 2023
        26 million population of the DPRK. If in South Korea the birth rate is one of the lowest in the world, then in the DPRK it is much higher than that of its southern compatriots.
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  9. -2
    March 18 2023
    North Korea is a client of China. They decide whether to trade or impose sanctions on us against the DPRK. They fought for the DPRK and dispose of it. If the DPRK needs fuel, then China has it in bulk to supply it itself.
  10. -2
    March 19 2023
    I may say something not very patriotic, but I, a stupid layman, do not understand the meaning of butting states for pieces of bare rocks inside an extremely inhospitable reservoir without fresh water and the ability to conduct agricultural activities. Yes, give these stones to the Japanese, and let them suffer with them! Of course, not for "thank you", but for very decent sums, which are so lacking during the war. Alaska, on the other hand, was "driven" by us in order to move away after the Crimea. Out of sight - out of mind, and even with a profit. Count Witte at one time generally dumped half of Sakhalin - and nothing happened. Then, however, they returned, but already other people. There is no use for these cobblestones, so let the "Japanese mothers" and sniff with them. And to the rescue, strengthen the border service in the Far East. But I totally screwed up...
    PS There Jews and Arabs have been squabbling for a century for a piece of land on which even grass does not grow without watering. What for? What they read from right to left, what these.
    1. 0
      March 19 2023
      Give up 5000 square kilometers of the islands and about 200000 square kilometers of the economic zone? Lose non-freezing straits? Resources???? *Iturup Island has the world's largest deposit of rhenium in the form of the mineral rhenite*? And the sea area with a catch of 3000000 tons of seafood? Give too????
    2. 0
      March 19 2023
      Yapi near their islands, they caught and ate everything that was in the sea a long time ago. They don't need those islands either. We need a sea zone, well, sooo rich in all sorts of resources, both living and mineral. In Kunashir and Shikotan, in fact, rich deposits of agate, jasper, gold, they talked about platinum. Some rare earth (I don’t remember which one, but I read it several years ago) was found, and even almost one of the largest deposits in the world ... So these "two rocks" are very necessary "two rocks" .. .)))
  11. 0
    March 20 2023
    Yes, that's right - North Korea is perhaps the only "partner" who will not stab in the back. At least for now. Moreover, the only one who, apparently, is ready to help us. Even if only morally. They have no other option as long as the geopolitical situation is like this. And, in general, the surrender of the Kuriles will be the surrender of Russia.

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