British intelligence called the "main reason for the lack of offensive action" by the Russian army

The Russian army does not go on a large-scale offensive for one, but very important reason, established by British intelligence. According to representatives of the United Kingdom, Russian forces simply do not have the ammunition for this.

The topic of the alleged lack of ammunition in the Russian army has been on the pages of both the Ukrainian and Western press for quite a long time. However, various "experts", such as the same Arestovich, began to declare this almost from the very beginning of the special operation. Either the Russians run out of missiles, or shells, or all together and at once.

Now British intelligence has announced the "shell hunger" of the Russian army. According to the British, in recent weeks the problem with shells has escalated to such an extent that the Russian command allegedly introduced restrictive measures in some sectors of the front, setting "norms" for the consumption of ammunition. In addition, the British Ministry of Defense suggests that it is precisely the lack of ammunition that is the main reason why not a single Russian unit has recently gone on the offensive.

At the same time, it is stated that Russian troops have already begun to use shells from old stocks that are "unsuitable for use" and were in warehouses awaiting disposal.

Meanwhile, if we touch on the issue of the offensive, the Russian Ministry of Defense has never stated that it plans to go on a large-scale offensive in the near future, these are all notions of the Western press. Kyiv sins with this, declaring on all corners about the imminent "liberation of the occupied territories." Zelensky needs this, Western sponsors expect this from him, providing the Armed Forces of Ukraine with everything necessary. There will be no "loud" statements - there will be no military assistance.

And the Ukrainian soldiers on the front line speak best of all about the "shell hunger" of the Russian army. They certainly haven't heard anything about him.

Comments

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

For the war we have PMCs, and the army for parades. But PMCs were left without access to convicts and periodically limit the limit on shells. In the Svatov direction, the advance is 100 meters a day; Avdiivka losing the best men, near Ugledar, too, everyone saw the result. Artemovsk, if its 70 population, far from being Los Angeles in size, has been rolled into rubble for two months, and still nothing. At the same time, the inability of our commanders in the Western Military District and the Central Military District, not only to secure the border along Oskol, not even to ensure it at least along the Stallion, but simply to tie down Ukrainian forces from being transferred to Artemovsk, can lead to unpredictable consequences. In April, a NATO-style mechanized corps will appear for 000 thousand pigs, not older than 50, trained and greyhounds.

[Trapp1st]

For war, we have PMCs, and the army for parades.

Everyone is fighting as best they can. PMCs are simply in the most bloody areas.

[hrych]

PMC Wagner specialized in capturing factories, mines, wells, etc. Here it is the workings of Artemsoli in Soledar-Bakhmut, which Bandera turned into a fortress. Therefore, the Wagnerites are superior here as an enemy. and our all-army units. And not every paratrooper will fearlessly climb into the dungeons, but here it is the specialists in these underground cases. With regards to shell hunger, of course, this is nonsense. In our country, besides the Soviet reserves, the production of ammunition by factories has reached the level. Air bombs were practically not used at all. Now, wings are welded to especially powerful ones for planning and removing the threat to bomb carriers from air defense. Here, cheap ton charges are delivered to the target, where expensive Caliber and Iskander with a half-ton warhead rest. Here in Avdiivka they are being worked out, algorithms of application are being developed. But most importantly, for some reason, everyone did not read Moltke well. The main thing is not the seizure of territories, but the destruction of the enemy army. The territory will then get it. Now the enemy is being crushed with 5-10 times losses with our slow advance. Although according to the laws of war, the attackers must have a multiple advantage and multiple losses. Why change something when the enemy loses more than 10 thousand a week? And he cannot abandon these fortified areas, the consequences will be even worse.

[Aken]

I am very afraid that our strategists will then throw Wagner into an open field, where motorized riflemen and tankers should fight.
Even the use of paratroopers and marines in combined arms combat is a crime.
It is rightly said about the destruction of manpower. Only there, more caught on the streets die, and not trained to attack.

[hrych]

Marines with Marines must also know the rules of combined arms combat. Therefore, of course, with losses. but learning is invaluable. If there are no landing operations, then it’s not worth keeping theorists, they should be able to do everything. Or do you think that after the landing, they should rest? The paratrooper captures the bridgehead and holds it in the usual manner. Yes. before the arrival of the main parts, but nonetheless. This springboard can be in a field, in a city, etc. With regards to mines and workings, this is a very unique situation. Such objects are rare. As a rule, the enemy who has settled there is drowned. poison, starve. But the Wagnerians must try to take the object intact. That's why they are PMCs, in order to capture an object that will work for the customer. Such objects as the workings of Artemsoli, on the whole planet, once or twice, have been counted, and here they are defended and captured. It is clear that for this PMC attracts miners, etc., who are not strongly limited by age, are not constrained by the restriction of rights, but feel at home in the dungeons. About those caught on the street, also not so. Covering Arta, he does not understand who is a veteran and who is a mobile. If they hit armored vehicles, aircraft and rocket launchers, then their operators are not caught on the street. Yes, everyone is thrown into the trenches in a row, high qualifications are not required there and mass character is required, but again, they began to throw Teroboronists there - a militia of ideological Banderlogs not just like that, but because of the loss of personnel. And they are already running out, so they are trying to grab on the street. First of all, these heartbreaking footage of street grabs don't mean anything. that this chela will be sent to the front, he has a chance to cut down, pay off, etc. And secondly, there is little sense from him at the front, rather, on the contrary, there will be decomposition. The main loss of the generation of young Bandera is not in more than half a million maimed, killed, lost and captured, but in several million who fled the country and apparently forever. This is their main loss - a kind of desertion.

[HefeDMB69]

"In addition to the Soviet reserves, the production of ammunition by factories has reached the level in our country." What is your evidence? In Saratov, Prommash (it was engaged in fuses, etc. in Soviet times) was liquidated. Penza bicycle, the same, the same, is closed. Do we use magic to shoot shells?

[hrych]

Maybe you have it, but we have increased the output by one and a half to two times, transferring to 3 shifts with the same capacities. Defense enterprises have been flooded with money, personnel are being recruited, etc. And stop singing about closed Soviet enterprises. The USSR worked for Africa, Asia, etc. For the same Romanians, Poles and Bandera. The Bolsheviks armed the former Nazi satellite regimes of the Reich to the teeth. Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, the Baltic States and Poland were part of the Reich. They threw weapons to the Chinese, and they turned them against us. Your closed, Soviet plant supplied these with fuses. Whether Russia needs as many factories as the USSR spanked .. Russia needs as much as Russia needs, and not for the needs of the world revolution.

[Alex777]

Quote: hrych

Whether Russia needs as many factories as the USSR spanked .. Russia needs as much as Russia needs, and not for the needs of the world revolution.

And not bicycle, but modern, specialized.

[45_cm]

UralVagonZavod, kagbe, also, basically, does not produce wagons. And the vast majority of defense industry plants in the USSR were called watch, radio, television, and, including, bicycle.

[Alex777]

I, in Soviet times, managed to work at KMZ.
24000 people there, of course, not only cameras were made.

[FoBoss_VM]

I just feel how the defense enterprises were flooded with money. Managers may have been filled up, but the workers are unlikely. Our government system itself is vicious, just the wildest document flow and confirmation of pricing, which becomes more complicated every year. Military representatives are generally a separate song

[nemez]

I completely agree. For one worker (turner, puncher, etc.) there are five (boss, foreman, sales manager, advertising specialist, etc.). I myself work in the defense industry, I keep wondering who and where the salary raised?! Planned by 7-9%!? So this is an annual compensation for inflation.

[Damir_N]

Unfortunately, such a picture is ubiquitous. And the VP is generally a sabotage of pure water. Now they are being restrained a little, but even those amateurs are unmotivated to put spokes in the wheels.

[Hagakure]

Let's start with the fact that by transferring to three shifts, you should have increased output at least three times, and not one and a half. Your one and a half just says that one shift was scattered into three and the plan was increased. The quality, apparently, is appropriate, that is, a high percentage of defects. Further, a simple calculation that I did here back in the fall said that even compared to the summer consumption of ammunition, production lags behind 200 (!) Times. So your one and a half or two are gulkin's nose. Even now, with a significantly reduced ammo consumption rate, the Gunners are producing 10/1 consumption/production. The reduction in consumption is ensured by a decrease in the number of artillery and MLRS, tanks, and a low rate of use of aviation. Also from the "positive", which contributed to a decrease in the rate of expenditure of ammunition - this is a reduction in the front line due to all sorts of regroupings there. During the entire winter campaign, mainly thanks to the PMC Wagner, the advance of the front was ensured by 20 km. Much less in other places. This is in line with the norms of a one-day advance in a breakout. Moreover, these rates can even be up to 50 km per day. Look how clever it was in the first two weeks of NWO! That is, the Russian front was now advancing so intensively that in three months it provided only a half-day advance. Awesome! Moreover, there have been no more significant advances for more than half a year. In order to ensure the normal pace of progress, in which they lead to a reduction in their own losses and the speedy achievement of goals, it is necessary to increase the pace of production in hundreds once. At the same time, it is necessary to increase the pace of production of absolutely everything, and not just ammunition. We need artillery, we need tanks, armored vehicles, trucks, aviation of all stripes, means of communication, reconnaissance, etc. Indeed, apparently there have been significant advances near Avdiivka in the last two or three weeks, but in fact Avdiivka itself, at the normal pace of the offensive, should have been surrounded in a maximum of two weeks. And it's been taken for over a year now. And they die and get injured there, not only Ukrainians. By the way, it must be said that the contingent of combatants at the front is approximately comparable. It is about 200 from the one on the other side. This is important for the concept of what a shock fist of 50 thousand is. At the same time, the army on both sides is from one million one hundred thousand to one million five hundred. The rest are simply engaged in providing combatants.
With such alignments, and even when no one promises an offensive for a year, and some noses report that no one has started yet, apparently Russia is preparing for its Hundred Years War of attrition. Exhaustion, by the way, is already underway. Although apparently it will be "2000 years of war, war for no particular reason. War is the business of the young - a cure for wrinkles." Get ready.

[hrych]

I wrote a lot and past. Do you write about marriage? What is marriage like in the 21st century? The process has long been automated. None CNC machines. And before the war, defense factories worked not only not in three shifts, but more often in two, but the regime itself was not intensive. Power was idle. Strelkov is a darn analyst, a link to him is bad manners. With regards to promotion, read not Girkin, but Moltke. The main thing is to destroy the personnel of the enemy, and not to capture the territory. An entire, young generation of Ukrainian vyruses is being destroyed and crippled. This is denazification and demilitarization. How to denazify an ukranazi? That's right, tearing off the head. Which is being done successfully, since the total losses exceeded half a million and half of the corpses. But the main losses are millions of young men who left the cordon forever and fled from mobilization. Yes, there are our losses, but if they are 10 times less, then they are justified. Ukraine should be deprived of the future and should be deprived of young, sexually mature carriers of this infection. Once and for all. It is useless to re-educate them, the Vatican has Ukrainianized them for more than a century. Therefore, so. And if, according to your logic, there is not enough ammunition, we will burn them with nuclear weapons. It's inevitable, the Rubicon has been crossed. Either we or they. What Putin hinted at the other day. So far, we are coping successfully, and in Bakhmut alone, 11 thousand were closed in a month, the same number of limbs were torn off, etc.

[okunevich_rv]

There was a gunpowder factory in Krasnoyarsk, there’s even nothing to restore

[Black Colonel]

At the Penza cycling, in my opinion, armored personnel carriers were released? The elder brother practiced there after a techie in 72-73 before being drafted into the Army. Tell me what kind of "bicycles" they make.

[TerraSandera]

Yes, they are not and will not be. From whom do you expect evidence? From the one with whom the Ukrainians lose more than 10k in a week? Even Konashenkov does not broadcast such things.

[hrych]

Prigozhin reported about 11 thousand corpses of Ukrainians per month in Bakhmut. In addition to Bakhmut, they are wetted along the entire front line. And most importantly, for people like you, I explain that losses include not only the dead, but also the wounded, prisoners, deserters and missing. And on the killed three times or more, the wounded. So count 4 weeks in a month, 11 thousand corpses and 33 thousand statistically wounded. Sum up and you will get 44 thousand per month of Bakhmut losses and 11 thousand per week killed and WOUNDED. And if you take the whole front, and not just Bakhmut, then you will burn And Prigozhin, unlike others, does not run ahead of the locomotive, but referred to the data of the Ministry of Defense. And I commented referring to it. But he had in mind the general losses, and not just the corpses. And I was extremely modest Fershteen?

[Vlodek]

waiting for the coordinates of the working factories? Or people in masks?

[sleeve]

Three shifts and an increase in salaries for the production of ammunition are observed. Shell starvation at the limber can be caused by the maneuverable nature of the use of artillery, and hence the inevitable problems in logistics.

[Alex777]

Quote: hrych

The main thing is not the seizure of territories, but the destruction of the enemy army. The territory will then get it.

100500% right!

[Valnik]

About 10000 is not too much.? Americans lost 50000 and left Vietnam. So this is for 10 years.

[hrych]

Quote from Valnik

About 10000 is not too much.?

Losses are general, besides the dead, even the wounded, deserters, prisoners and missing. On the killed three times wounded. Approximately the same number of the dead - the wounded - the crippled disabled, the rest after a different period of time can again get into service. There are about 50 thousand missing Bandera people in total. Most likely the majority are killed and lying in the fields. Prigogine said that in Bakhmut alone, only 11 people were killed in a month. Count how many are wounded. We have total losses in the area of ​​more than 40 of which more than 20 were killed and maimed. Moreover, the crippled state is worse than the dead, they must be supported. Therefore, not too much ... In Vietnam, the Americans may be 50 thousand, or rather almost 60 with those who died from wounds, diseases, prisoners and missing. But also more than 300 thousand wounded. Those. not three times, but six times. 23,214 are paralyzed; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 had multiple amputations. A lot of people suffered severe concussion, which led to disability, etc. In total, 75,000 Vietnam veterans became disabled.

[Prisoner]

And in order to lie on caravans, we have dogs and water heaters.

[ivan2022]

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

For the war we have PMCs, and the army for parades. But PMCs left Avdiivka without a queue, losing the best men, near Ugledar too

You need to drink less coffee and switch to chicory. Prigozhin clearly said that the PMC had nothing to do with the Moscow Region. And any private company buys everything it needs all over the world from manufacturers, suppliers, concludes contracts with any government.

Didn't find the supplier manager? - do not go with outstretched hand to the Moscow Region, to which "we have nothing to do" ... Do your job better.

But I see that "dear Russians" often like to talk "like an adult," to teach ministries and the government, having a childish mind.

If they are so smart, then why do we have the main political slogan in Russia: "And for whom else?"
If not for anyone, they would sit on sofas and keep quiet.

[Trapp1st]

And any private company buys everything it needs all over the world from manufacturers, suppliers, concludes contracts with any government.

Well, then what's the problem to buy all the necessary shells? Why do they have to beg from the MO?

[SergeyB]

Quote: Trapp1st

Well, then what's the problem to buy all the necessary shells? Why do they have to beg from the MO?

So the fact of the matter is that they do not want to buy shells. They want to get them for free from the MO.

[Andrey Moskvin]

They are not fighting for private property to buy shells!

[Aken]

Then the dead banderlogs need to be sold to MO. Like in computer games. You give us equipment - we give you trophies. Fair?
The difference is in your pocket. That's how business works.

[skeptic]

Quote: SergeyB

So the fact of the matter is that they do not want to buy shells. They want to get them for free from the MO.

I don’t understand through what ass, such commentators have brains built? This is how much the brains should be melted with the poison of profit, so that the defenders would be offered to buy shells (at their own expense) to protect this state ???
Can you imagine that Kovpak, during the Second World War, would have been sent a price list when asked to supply ammunition?

[maximaniak]

Didn't find the supplier manager? - do not go with outstretched hand to the Moscow Region, to which "we have nothing to do" ... Do your job better.

Then the MoD should pay the Wagners as a private company. For each killed, destroyed equipment, square meters taken. There is no payment - we are sitting drinking tea or going home, the money has come - oops, posons, we are at war. So what?

[cmax]

Quote: ivan2022

Didn't find the supplier manager? - do not go with outstretched hand to the Moscow Region, to which "we have nothing to do" ... Do your job better.

But I see that "dear Russians" often like to talk "like an adult," to teach ministries and the government, having a childish mind.

If they are so smart, then why do we have the main political slogan in Russia: "And for whom else?"
If not for anyone, they would sit on sofas and keep quiet.

After your post, I remembered a Russian folk tale.,..they had 3 sons, two smart ones, and the last one ..... You are clearly not smart, sorry!

[Black Colonel]

Any PMCs act in the interests of the government of the countries in which they are based.

[Andrey Moskvin]

limit the ammo limit.
The limit is the limit. How else can you limit it?

[maximaniak]

The limit is the limit. How else can you limit it?

Limit limited. Now you can only limit to a limited extent, but before, apparently, completely

[former soldier]

But PMCs were left without access to convicts.

Not every ZEK is suitable for PMCs. Prigogine has already taken "his".

[Alex777]

Wagner now has such an influx of volunteers that they stopped the recruitment of prisoners.
Although there is a rumor that the convicts complained about discrimination and they are taken again.

[Maverick1812]

Our "generals are the most generals" in the world! There are no analogues!

[Michael67]

I understand, bro. But I believe that it is necessary to cheer for all Ours in the Common. No divisions. For victory!

[werwolf1981]

There is only one conclusion - no one needs a victory, they need hamaviurt 2 and minsk 3 !! And that's it!! To win in your need to press buttons sometimes !!!

[Andrey A]

Both PMCs and the Russian army are grinding Ukrainian troops, grinding Western equipment supplied to them, and doing it successfully. In Syria, active hostilities continued for 5 years, during which time a 300-strong group of militants was crushed, despite the fact that they regularly mobilized (and the population under their control was no less than Zelensky now) and received weapons from the West. The remnants of the militants were herded into a kind of reservation in Idlib. Like this...

[Muromczev-2015]

Enough whining already, I'm tired ... About the "lack of shells" for PMCs, they explained everything a long time ago: before that they were given many times more shells than everyone else, and now they began to give out according to the norm. And about the "inability of our generals" - shove your words into yourself .... oops. Our generals are normal, in contrast to the Maidan horses, and sofa "experts" from the Internet. If, with such tactics, the enemy loses manpower 7-9 times more than we do, why the hell should we change it? In six months there will be no one to fight there. My sister lives in Ukraine, in her town everyone who can be mobilized has already been mobilized, and there are a lot of funerals. The rest are who are in Poland, who are in Slovakia, who are in Hungary. In the town there are only old men, but women .. Everything is going fine.

[BEV]

If the commander of the norms, why the PMC? If everything is fine, why were there gostomel, raisins, balakleya? Serpentine, Moscow and Kherson?
Where does the information about 1d10 losses come from? There are no such proportions in the offensive. The enemy is in a concrete shelter, but the attackers are not. Mines, snipers, drones add losses. Hamers too. You can believe in 1k1. But even here it is necessary to prove the facts.

[Trapp1st]

the Russian Ministry of Defense has never stated that it plans to go on a large-scale offensive in the near future, these are all notions of the Western press

The Russian Ministry of Defense has not stated anywhere that it plans to go on a large-scale offensive on February 24, and it is logical who reveals their plans in advance. But last year, including the British, they warned of an imminent Russian offensive ...

[Letun]

Quote: Trapp1st

But last year, including the British, they warned of an imminent Russian offensive ...

To which Masha Zakharova laughed fervently and asked the British side to show the entire invasion plan at once.

[Ed1970]

In February last year, they officially talked about the end of the exercises. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2022214165-21pbe.html

[Black Colonel]

The Germans at the beginning of the 41st also did not trumpet to the whole world that they would move on Russia - they also conducted exercises.

[Prometey]

Quote: Letun

To which Masha Zakharova laughed fervently and asked the British side to show the entire invasion plan at once.

Blue Masha has such a job - to laugh fervently and troll. In general, she did not go far from the same Psaki. It just thumps on top of it.

[rocket757]

According to the British, in recent weeks the problem with shells has escalated to such an extent that the Russian command allegedly introduced restrictive measures in some sectors of the front, setting "norms" for the consumption of ammunition.

. Rationing of ammunition consumption was / is always and everywhere.
War also has its own economy and laws, norms, no one could refute and step over.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Our defense factories work in 3 shifts, it is doubtful that this is the reason. Most likely, we are waiting for spring to make it easier to move on solid ground.

[arnulla]

Many defense factories are private. And the mess there is very sickly. Many competent managers and specialists survived so as not to pay. Someone left himself, unable to withstand communication with wooden menegars. They also saved on replacing equipment. It was a pity for personal money. And now you can’t buy equipment and machines especially ... Therefore, working in three shifts is not an indicator, you can report on eight shifts ...

[Kurganets-45]

private and not private, many go under Rostec and in fact it turns out that state

[Essex62]

Yeah, but in Rostec the unmercenaries are sitting, drowning for a planned economy and putting into practice the slogan - "everything for the front, everything for victory." Our state is capitalist, according to its laws, citizens from Rostec live.

[Prometey]

Quote: Essex62

Yeah, but in Rostec the unmercenaries are sitting, drowning for a planned economy and putting into practice the slogan - "everything for the front, everything for victory." Our state is capitalist, according to its laws, citizens from Rostec live.

Prove that employees of defense enterprises do not have the right to decent wages. After all, the MO itself is one of the main kidaks in the state. Only the lazy did not write how the Shoigu department underestimates the payment for the state. contracts and is very reluctant to pay them. Are workers slaves?

[Essex62]

You have answered your own question. There is no other way under capitalism. MO is in this system of relations. In general, it is a big delusion to believe that something else remains state-owned in the Russian Federation, in fact everything is private, including the Kremlin.
Everyone has the right to a decent wage. Doctors, turners, asenizers, but not in this system. When the main one is not the one who created it, but the one who pushed it into the tripod.

[hellcos]

And how many of them - defense plants, then remained after the optimization of everything and everything, and are the remaining ones capable of providing the front with the necessary number of shells?

[HefeDMB69]

Do you have them, shell? And about three shifts, I, who have worked in factories all my life, do not need to fill in. It is only possible to be on duty. And the shells are made with handles, these are not cartridges, panimash, there were no rotary ones for them.

[dnepropetrovsk]

And then we wait until the green leaves fall, then until the snow melts, and so on in a circle)))

[Black Colonel]

The APU will also be easier to move on hard ground.

[BEV]

Hard ground in spring? It only happens in Moscow.

[Knell wardenheart]

Both Strelkov and Klimov and many other experts say that problems in this area have been brewing for a long time, that the release does not keep pace with the flow, and so on .. but no, everything is fine with the author.
The lack of BP is not the end of the world, sooner or later they will arrange their release and accumulate. Much worse is the continuation of this "ugly" line with heads talking about "everything is fine".

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote from Tma197725

The great strategist Girkin who blew everything he could. Crap to go to Wagner. Whom they don't want to see in Donetsk.

Because Prigozhin began to roll a barrel at him for the surrender of Slavyansk in 2014 (you will come to Wagner and you will justify yourself to the officers for Slavyansk), but how could he with the forces that he had to keep him then?

[Tma197725]

Then justify Lapin, too, they roll a barrel at him. Sil was also weak and became an enemy of the people, and Fuck Shooter then climbed there with such forces

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote from Tma197725

Then justify Lapin

about Muradov, Muradov, then for-would-whether !!!!!!!!! how can you forget carbon?

[FoBoss_VM]

Muradov is very well remembered in Vdaivstok. And will never forget

[gsev]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Because Prigozhin started to roll a barrel at him for the surrender of Slavyansk

Strelkov, with several armored vehicles and artillery barrels, managed to liberate Slovyansk in 2014 and held it despite the efforts of the entire Ukrainian army. If they had given him the 2014th Guards Kantemirovskaya Division in 4, he would have liberated Kharkov and Poltava.

[hrych]

Quote: gsev

If they had given him the 2014th Guards Kantemirovskaya Division in 4, he would have liberated Kharkov and Poltava.

[ShDE]

British intelligence first predicted the Russian offensive, then convinced everyone, then heroically thwarted it. Now we have already been appointed defeated and it's time to fill out the award lists.

[Uprun]

They wrote to fill in the column in the absence of "hot" news, there is nothing special to discuss, Artemovsk has already set its teeth on edge, etc., and they didn’t bring diesel fuel to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, so they don’t go to sea .... - from the same series, you can also wrap something about the videoconferencing .....

[Prokop_Pork]

One guided projectile replaces dozens of simple ones. And it strains logistics and wears out materiel by the same amount. And so it seems to me that someone or something has not caught up. It turned out that both are in short supply.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Prokop_Svinin

One guided projectile replaces dozens of simple ones. And in the same amount it strains logistics and wears out materiel

Yeah, and a hundred times more expensive. If everything were so simple, then all over the world, everyone would have switched exclusively to ultra-precise ammunition for a long time. Which is not observed at all. Even in the same United States, where, in principle, they do not spare money for armaments. As much as the Pentagon asks, they give so much, and even with a margin. But go and see, not only there are no ultra-precise ones in sufficient quantities, but also ordinary ones. Collected by all their allies around the world.

[Prokop_Pork]

First you need to strain your brains, and understand what is written. And it is written clearly that both are in short supply.

[Smart ass_]

Pff ..
Everything is much simpler.
Russia began to act in Ukraine under the international law of collective self-defence, art. 51 mouths United Nations by signing agreements on a military alliance with the DNR and LNR.
As soon as Russia reaches the borders of the DPR, the Khokhlonatists can stop all hostilities, offer a truce, and immediately begin to deploy offensive missile launchers on the remaining Ukrainian territory..
And it will not contradict any international law ..
And then also announce collective security, the defense of Ukraine, and launch missiles at Moscow.
Therefore, only the defense of the DPR is an action within the international legal framework, and only by grinding the resources of Ukraine on the territory of the DPR can one legally force them to disarm and carry out denazification.

[Vladimir80]

thanks for clarifying!!!
ps those. in your opinion, the purpose of the towers is to prevent the outskirts from joining NATO, while letting Finland and Sweden go there ??? for this, are you ready to sacrifice combat-ready units of the army, the remnants of weapons, the remnants of the economy, and so on? Even if so - the plan is unsuccessful, and impracticable - it will join NATO as soon as there is an order from Washington, because. they realized that the Russian Federation would not take any "decisive measures".

[Knell wardenheart]

Beautiful! But at the very beginning of the NWO we took the Kherson region and included it in the Russian Federation later. This already breaks the whole concept you described of adhering to some kind of international legal boundaries.
As for "grinding", from my point of view, such a strategy of action in Ukraine, although it may lead to certain tactical successes, in itself leads to an increase in the strategic problem. The more people "on the other side" will be tied with blood, the greater the resistance to the best resolution of the situation (regional inclusion of the territory of Ukraine into the Russian Federation on the rights of regions of the Russian Federation and not some kind of deep autonomy) we will meet. Even if we assume that a significant part of the dying Armed Forces of Ukraine are not "accomplices" but "fellow travelers", the attitude of their family members and social circle to what is happening and to our side will clearly not improve from the fact that there will be "-1 dill", as the most cynical would say . Knocking out the breadwinner, husband, father, son, etc. is not something that Solovyov or Skabeeva can talk about.
This is not a question of "spherical humanism in a vacuum" now, although I am personally horrified by the growth of some kind of cannibalistic tendencies around the entire conflict among the masses. It is precisely the question of creating by such actions by us - problems for the future. Which we will have to decide.
Encirclement and mass coercion to surrender under the threat of complete annihilation is a suitable strategy of action, demonstrating, among other things, high military art.

[Smart ass_]

I look at this not from the point of view of Ukraine / Russia ..
In the end, many Germans died from Russian weapons in the 40s, but after a while relations became normal, even good.

We must always remember that the people of Ukraine in the political sense are the plaything of the Americans.
And this is not an emotional figure of speech, but the actual state of affairs. In Ukraine, after all, the main political project is accession to the EU and NATO. And this, in fact, means complete submission to American foreign policy.

And Bush Jr. expressed their foreign policy: take Ukraine into NATO in order to put pressure on Russia ..

On the other hand, Russia cannot take actions that would sharply negatively regard neutral or allied countries like India, China, Turkey or Kazakhstan.

Therefore, the main task of Russia is precisely the demolition of the political project of Ukraine.
And for this, Russia's actions must be such that the Americans could not at some point say that they recognize the new regions as Russia, and deploy their missiles in the remaining regions of Ukraine.

[solar]

Russia began to act in Ukraine under the international law of collective self-defence, Art. 51 mouths UN

But for some reason, the same UN has a strictly opposite view on who has the right to self-defense under Article 51 of the UN Charter.
It would be nice to ask the Foreign Ministry for this.

[BEV]

They will be given as many resources as they need for the war.

[flicker]

Oh oh "shell hunger" The Russian army is best spoken by Ukrainian soldiers on the front lines.

Especially those in Bakhmut. In the video, there is no whole place in Bakhmut, everything is torn apart - apparently, by sapper shovels and Wagner's "sledgehammer".

They certainly haven't heard anything about him.

Apparently, Prigogine did not shout to them.
He shouted to the Russian public, but there is no ukrov in Bakhmut.

[Ru_Na]

The British, as always, sucked the problem out of their finger! Shell hunger is not at all a problem, for example, in the Red Army, at least until the middle of 1943, there was a shortage of certain types of ammunition, but this did not prevent the Uranus operation, defeating and capturing Paulus' 6th army near Stalingrad. The current course of the operation suits our military-political leadership for the time being, and there are clearly no plans to force events in the near future.

[Ghost1]

It is a strange statement that the current course of the operation suits. And then what will happen will not be easier when the sun is being pumped more and more with weapons. Attrition against the West, well, this is completely short-sighted.

[Vlodek]

why not far-sighted? marches and demonstrations in Germany, the Czech Republic, France are already underway. Demands for a change of government due to a sharp drop in living standards (almost to ours). "Investing" in Ukraine against the backdrop of empty store shelves in the UK will also not work for a long time. Here it is such a "war of attrition"

[BEV]

The shelves in the west are not empty. Prices are going up, just like everywhere else. France is on strike to raise the retirement age. Germany is against arms transfers, but no one is against war. Change of government is a common occurrence in the West. How do we change Medvedev Zubkov Mishustin.

[Ross xnumx]

The Russian army does not go on a large-scale offensive for one, but very important reason, established by British intelligence. According to representatives of the United Kingdom, Russian forces simply do not have the ammunition for this.

Interestingly, Liz Truss was eager for the red button also because of the information that there is no strategic nuclear weapons in Russia?

[Sergey Khatylaev]

Just why leave fortified positions for the sake of momentary success. And they prepare dill for consumption, that's why they sing to them about Russian shell hunger.

[Sith]

They have been waiting for something from us since the new year ... then, like fortunetellers ... they are trying more forecasts ... so that at least something comes true
How do they know if there was a plan for a global counter-offensive or they decided to slowly gnaw at the task and minimize losses

[voyaka uh]

Not only projectiles.
Not enough armored vehicles.
Many hundreds of tanks and other armored vehicles are waiting for repair after being out of action on the fronts.
Spare parts, engine overhaul, barrel replacement. The war has been going on for two years now.

[Daishi]

Excuse me, but who and what to attack?
and not what, and even the Russian people understand this

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

In April, a NATO-style mechanized corps will appear for 50 thousand pigs, not older than 1993, trained and greyhounds.

That's putting it mildly.
The pigs will be joined by well-knit crews on Western tanks, with excellent SLAs and 24/7 satellite support for the battlefield.

The question is, will the piggies adhere to the strictly positional tactics of the WWI, when they generously bombarded us and we with shells of all calibers, or will they remember the great-grandfather of Manstein or Guderian, and try to arrange some kind of bloody muck for us?

About masquerading as D 30, 82mm mortars, firing cumulative shells at trenches and more:

https://t.me/strelkovii/4190

[Lawrence_OnYouNo]

Quote: Comrade Kim

The question is, will the piggies adhere to the strictly positional tactics of WWI

they will repeat the "KharkiB 2.0" scenario, only on a larger scale ...
ps
I would have captured Belgorod on the spot with converging blows from Sumy and Kharkov !!!
PPP
after the shock of the fall of Belgorod, the second act would have been an attack on Melitopol, cutting off the land corridor to the Crimea. Against the backdrop of a general panic at night, a tactical landing would have been landed in the Crimea in the area of ​​​​Kinburn Spit, the village of Rybalche and somewhere else to the south to nightmare the rear, and the Crimean bridge was attacked by the Air Force with the help of JDAM precision bombs (similar to himars).

[26rus]

"I would take everything on the spot"
God doesn’t give horns to a cow

[Black Colonel]

Oh, how beautifully written! There is a famous phrase from the film to your plan:
- Yes, who will plant him? He is a MONUMENT!☝️

[alexey_444]

Oh, these hype people, they always get out, taldon taldon taldon about the Russian offensive, it didn’t work out, aaa there are no shells, here it is the root cause, well, the heads of the orcs are talking nonsense, it’s clear that British scientists have set their teeth on edge, they could at least not lower intelligence below the plinth. There will be no offensive of ours, forget it. In our country, unlike the outskirts, the people are not superfluous, they freed what they could, unlike couch experts who live by Wishlist, the country's leadership has an army with oblique arrows, stupid generals, uninitiated fighters, with all sorts of crooks in all strata and sectors of society. We need order - the Germans, we need copters - the Chinese, the strongest American army is armed with products from all over the world, but we have ... Well, the Iranians helped out. The initial plans were fulfilled, now it is exhausting the enemy like near Moscow, near Stalingrad and Kursk, the enemy is understandably American, while they are in the black, but this is not long, the Second World War has been going on for 5 years, now the same is true in terms of the involvement of the parties.

[BEV]

The initial plans are Kyiv, Gostomel, Kharkiv, Kherson, raisins?
Everything goes according to plan?
NATO has not yet lost soldiers, we are already fighting 70-80 percent with ground forces, not counting the MTR, paratroopers and the National Guard.

[Sebostyuan]

Limit, limit - strife. Saving BC due to a shortage is one thing. Another thing is the ban - to shoot wagons at empty landings. And then, justifying themselves, compose reports about thousands of killed enemies. (What they sinned at the beginning of the NWO)

[UAZ 452]

Are you sure that it was like this only at the beginning of the NWO, but now it’s different?

[Black Colonel]

"And then, justifying themselves, compose reports about thousands of killed enemies. (What they sinned at the beginning of the SVO)"
- And why should you feel sorry for them, bastard? Write more!

[Sergej1972]

You have probably already forgotten that for a long time after the start of the special operation, we did not talk at all about losses in Ukraine's manpower. And at first they said that the main enemy was not the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the national battalions.

[hrych]

Just the Ministry of Defense is being modest. The main figures for the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the Mossad, Ursula Lein, etc. Sometimes Prigozhin will spill the beans.

[place]

Quote: ivan2022

If they are so smart, then why do we have the main political slogan in Russia: "And for whom else?"

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

For the war we have PMCs, and the army for parades. But the PMC was left without ...

And I would not minus, but agreed. It's our common disease. The manager did not cope with the procurement task, and climbs into the RF Ministry of Defense. And the voters are ordinary citizens? First, they supported the separation of the republics in 1991, and then "we will return the lands." Presidents are elected for 30 years according to the principle "and for whom else?".

The commentator does not understand that the PMC works under a state contract and is obliged to purchase everything for itself. But the government teaches, which created the PMC, which is not formally connected with the government. This is the whole point that is not connected! In short, in Russia, no one wants to do their job well, to fulfill their own, their civic duty, but always stupidly, stubbornly climbs with idiotic teachings - where they don’t ask him

[cmax]

Quote: ort

The commentator does not understand that the PMC works under a state contract and is obliged to purchase everything for itself. But the government teaches, which created the PMC, which is not formally connected with the government. This is the whole point that is not connected!

Do you really think that the Wagnerites decided to earn some money in the Ukraine and that is why they are fighting? And in the Congo and in Libya and in Syria? I've never seen more childish reasoning. The beneficiary of all their affairs and location is the Russian state. It's so convenient and right for him. Not everything can be shown. From the summer-autumn battles it is clear that the musicians, unlike the Ministry of Defense, began to play a more important role, to take on tasks that are not yet up to the cadre. Therefore, ammunition should be supplied to them according to the level of tasks assigned! Well done guys!

[sub307]

Yes, maybe it's enough to "post" these "British scientists", journalists and other balabols from supposedly "intelligence"?

[UAZ 452]

These balabols warned about February 24, 2022 several months in advance. And in our country, until the last days, they argued that nothing of the kind could be.

[APASUS]

This is how the squabbles between the MO and the head of Wagner, about the lack of shells, result in the conclusions of British intelligence.

[HefeDMB69]

After that, not at all because of that!

[cmax]

I think there is no smoke without fire! It's about the lack of ammunition. Taking into account our not glorious past {90s}, they have a lot of informants, so they know what they are writing about. There is hope that they are mistaken and when the earth dries up, ours will go forward. Will watch.

[Danila Rastorguev]

About 10000 is not too much.? Americans lost 50000 and left Vietnam. So this is for 10 years.

1. Americans could get on a steamer and sail away. And where can Ukrainians run away, when they have already begun to take women into the troops?
2. Another 300.000 American invalids must be taken into account, and not just those killed.
3. Volunteers for 20 years of war have already ended in the United States.

[bandabas]

“The army is not just a kind word, but a very quick deed.
So we won all the wars.
While the enemy is drawing an offensive map, we change landscapes, moreover, manually.
When the time comes for an attack, the enemy is lost in an unfamiliar area, and comes into complete sky readiness.
This is the point, this is our strategy." "DMB" (2000)

[Glagol1]

There were definitely fewer shells. So the English intelligence is not lying. And without shells, you can’t attack or counterattack. Yes, and in defense is not particularly sweet. In summer and autumn, 10000 wagons were sprayed into the world, which is now surprising.

[Orca]

Did you, together with the English scouts, make your way to the art warehouses and count everything piece by piece, and at the same time count the 10000 wagons scattered into the white light, as a result of which debit and credit did not converge in your accounting department? God, what a nightmare!
hmm ... so leave you unattended after that.

[bravo77]

But most importantly, for some reason, everyone did not read Moltke well. The main thing is not the seizure of territories, but the destruction of the enemy army.

well, they didn’t read the molt, but they saw how the next generation deviated a bit from his plan. It turned out to be easier to grind the enemy by surrounding him, depriving him of communications, supplies, coordination, provisions, spirit, and not by frontal attacks with significant losses.

[hrych]

Surrounding it is possible, only for this you need a 10 millionth army and years in reserve. The problem is that in million-plus cities like Kharkov, Kyiv, etc., there are not Germans, but ours, Russian people. And until the cities are bombed by carpet bombing, they cannot be left in the rear. And the task of destroying the Nazis must be solved. How to solve it? How did Stalin decide? Doesn't care about civilians. Gad did not evacuate Peter and Tsaritsin. He does not feel sorry for Russian women and children, he was not Russian. Likewise, Zelensky, just like Bandera, do not consider the inhabitants of the cities to be their own. And who told you about frontal attacks? Maybe Girkin? How did you take Mariupol? Pre-surrounded. What is being done with Bakhmut? Surround. What is being done with Avdiivka? Surround. And what? Until they clean it up, they will sit and hide behind civilians. Therefore, our General Staff was still able to lure the punishers out of the cities, allowing them to believe in themselves and still inflicted significant losses on the enemy. Good losses. Just the same and that's it, kranty.

[BEV]

Where was our general staff able to lure Ukrainians into an open field?

[hrych]

Everywhere. Before that, they sat in the cities and attacked our communications. After an imaginary, Kharkov retreat, from the right bank, from Kyiv and Nikolaev, as well as Kharkov, the Vushnikovs were thrown into the Donbass. They were killed when they believed in themselves and went on the offensive. The offensive was choked with blood in Liman, etc. Then they abandoned the defense forces, including Western Ukraine, and now they are being finished off. A clear front line has been established and they have to keep this line. Yes, they rely on Bakhmut, on Ugledar and Maryinka, but between them they have to keep the front line with trenches and oporniks, where they are wetted daily, if not more than in Bakhmut. These oporniks are smashing ours, and banderlogs are forced to send meat and equipment to them again. And such a carousel, every day. Also Avdeevsky and Bakhmutsky sack devours meat and resources. They also, ours try not to slam into the boilers, so that losses do not decrease. In a month, Bakhmut alone eats about 40-50 thousand in total losses and 10-11 thousand only killed. A little less is Avdiivka, Marinka, etc. And every day the defenders between them are covered with Grads. And why change something if the enemy loses about a hundred thousand wounded, captured, killed and lost a month. According to the West.

[Orca]

Quote from Aken

I'm very afraid that our strategists will then throw Wagner into an open field

And don't be afraid - your-our strategists are not so stupid as to throw professional attack aircraft to storm an open field. In addition, Wagner has his dad - Prigogine, and without his knowledge, no one will throw musicians anywhere. Yes, they have a contract, as they themselves sometimes say - with the Moscow Region and with the Motherland, but only their immediate superior, Prigozhin, gives them orders.

[Orca]

Quote: hrych

And why change something if the enemy loses about a hundred thousand wounded, captured, killed and lost a month.

There is another interesting point in what you said - Western partners pumping Kiev with weapons, as they say in various media, already to the detriment of their security, Zelensky put forward the condition that if he loses Bakhmut and other strongholds of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then in the foreseeable future he may be left without their military and financial support. Maybe it's just their scarecrows, but maybe not; and they actually quietly merge Ze and his gang, in hindsight starting to understand the futility of the war with Russia to the last Ukrainian.
Of course, the impudent Saxons now don’t care how many yesterday’s brothers will die on both sides in this war, but they know how to count grandmas, and they probably began to understand that they themselves must restore from the ruins what is now turning into a scorched desert, including with their weapons, their loot, it will get up very expensive. Before ours, the task now is to bleed the Kyiv junta as much as possible, breaking her arms and legs, if possible, so that she does not run far; someone must answer in the new "Nuremberg" for what has been happening on the outskirts of all these years, starting with the last Maidan.
...destroy the army, and the territory itself will come. - as one of the great strategists of the past once put it