Ukrainian people's deputy spoke about new details regarding the surrender of militants from Azovstal

Last May, a significant event for our country took place. The Russian Armed Forces completely liberated the port city of Mariupol in the DPR, including the Azovstal plant, where militants from the Azov Regiment (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation *) and other Ukrainian paramilitary formations held the defense for several weeks.

Oleksandr Kovalyov, a Ukrainian people's deputy from the political association Doverie, who was one of the participants in the relevant negotiations, spoke about the new details of the surrender of the latter during an interview with American journalists from CNN.

According to him, in addition to him, the Ukrainian side was represented by the deputy head of the GUR Dmitry Usov. From Russia, representatives of the GRU, Generals Alekseev and Zorin, FSB representative Valentin Kryzhanovsky and the commander of the assault on Mariupol, Lieutenant General Sychev, participated in the negotiations.

Kovalev noted that many wanted to disrupt this meeting, relying on the use of force. Meanwhile, as the Ukrainian people's deputy put it, the event took place and during the negotiations it was still possible to reach a consensus, in connection with which, the Russian side promised a "civilized" way out of those who tried to keep the defense in the dungeons of Azovstal.

The Ukrainian MP stressed that in the process of the military leaving the territory of the Mariupol plant, none of the parties violated their promises, nor did they try to carry out provocations. According to Kovalev, this episode showed that even during the war it is possible, as he put it, to hear each other and compromise in order to save people.

In turn, CNN was quick to note that Russian generals Alekseev and Zorin are natives of Ukraine, and Kryzhanovsky served in the SBU until 2014.

Comments

[tralflot1832]

A hint that they are ready to give up, and then so that we let them go to Europe, but without Ukraine?

[dmi.pris1]

The ringleaders stick out in Turkey, they exchanged others from the odious .. It seems like they didn’t bash anyone. No, no questions. Let them at least leave planet Earth

[alexmach]

The ringleaders stick out in Turkey

And is it really so? Do they stick out?

[Terenin]

Quote: alexmach

The ringleaders stick out in Turkey

And is it really so? Do they stick out?

On the other hand, listening to these Ukrainian Kovalovs...

[Osiris]

They don’t stick out, but they are being treated ... Although this should not have been done at all, and the Pope of Rome is not a decree for us

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tralflot1832

It seems like a normal option, in the EU they will be slammed and their own.

Why? In Ukraine, they are heroes and role models.
But why, in the course of exchanges of prisoners, the Azov people are given to Ukraine first of all, a big question for "our" managers. During the last exchange, an unequal exchange took place again, 130 to 90, with 71 out of 90 being the defenders of Azovstal. To us, as before, not a single pilot was returned.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine practice torture and shooting of our prisoners. Our pilots are kept for serious exchanges, just in case.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tralflot1832

Yes, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine practice torture and shooting of our prisoners.

And what? This is a war, people are being killed there.

Quote: tralflot1832

Our airmen are being held for serious exchanges just in case.

For what occasion? If our Zelensky is taken prisoner?
The leaders of Azov are not a serious exchange?

[Dingo]

[quote]So what? This is a war, people are being killed there.[
Killed on the battlefield. Prisoners are killed only by punishers. And also "French" (Google to the rescue if you don't know who they are...).

[Terenin]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But why, in the course of prisoner exchanges, the Azov people are given to Ukraine first of all,

Because the negotiation process is a special skill and art.
Judging by the results of the exchanges, we do not have such professionals yet.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Terenin

Because the negotiation process is a special skill and art.

Especially if the Abramovichs are involved in this process.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ingvar 72

To us, as before, not a single pilot was returned.

In June, 144x144 were changed, among them were our pilots. And when Medvedchuk was changed, there were also pilots there.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sarboz

In June, 144x144 were changed, among them were our pilots. And when Medvedchuk was changed, there were also pilots there.

Your wrong. Not a single pilot has been returned to us since the beginning of the war.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Your wrong. Not a single pilot has been returned to us since the beginning of the war.

Prove then that Denis Pushilin on June 30 and Daniil Bezsonov on September 22 lied about the fact that the pilots were among our prisoners during those exchanges. You can see your sources in Kyiv.
Or are you still confusing something?

June 30, 2022. Denis Pushilin. Among those guys who returned, 47 people were citizens of the DPR. These are mostly mobilized. The rest are Russian servicemen, including pilots. And some guys who performed special tasks, so the exchange was important for us.

September 22, 2022. According to the Deputy Minister of Information of the DPR Daniil Bezsonov, during the exchange, those captured in the Kharkiv direction, as well as Russian military pilots, were released.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sarboz

Prove then

Throw this pathos. Did Pushilin mention the names of the returned pilots? There is a fact that captured pilots were transferred to Ukraine, Ivan Pepelyashko and Aleksey Chizh were transferred to Ukraine. For some reason, the name of our mythical pilots is a mystery. The Fighterbomber TG channel regularly says that not a single captured pilot was returned to us. And he inspires more confidence than Pushilin.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The Fighterbomber TG channel regularly says that not a single captured pilot was returned to us. And he inspires more confidence than Pushilin.

Your whole trouble is that when you read the same thing with me, you read only what fits your vision of the situation. What is contrary to your model of the world, you simply ignore. Your mind has lost flexibility.
You don't have to go far. Just recently, on March 9, Fighterbomber publishes the memoirs of a helicopter pilot who was captured by the Nazis a year ago:

I'm onboard.
We were killed a year ago.

Our PSO crew flew to pick up the downed pilot on the signals of an emergency beacon and suddenly flew into the enemy column.
We worked with NARs and saw missile launches on our board. Two missiles passed by, the third missile hit the helicopter.
The burning helicopter, catching trees, crashed from a height of thirty meters to the ground.
Everything around was on fire. And I was on fire.
I pulled the commander, navigator and one rescuer out of the helicopter. The rest were scattered around, but no one was alive there.
Of the entire group of 11 people, two survived. Me and this lifeguard.
I have burns of the 3rd and 4th degree of 50% of my body, fractures, etc., the rescuer is not much better.
And so they were taken prisoner.
There we learned that the Ukrainians pulled us into their ambush, there was no pilot there.
I, a little alive, was exchanged almost immediately.

So let's be a little less pathos. Read more carefully, be more objective.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sarboz

You don't have to go far.

Before climbing AT ALL, you need to think a little. Do you know who is onboard? It has nothing to do with pilots. Therefore, they changed. Go to the TG channel, and read again, only thoughtfully!

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do you know who is onboard? It has nothing to do with pilots.

I know because I flew with them, came under fire from the ground, saw how difficult it was to accurately suppress firing points with a machine gun from the side. It happened once and fell. Nevertheless, the gunner, the flight engineer are the same flyers and the attitude towards them is the same as from our side, from the side of the enemy

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sarboz

Nevertheless, the gunner, the flight engineer are the same flyers

Do you think that a man with a machine gun hanging in a doorway is the same flyer?

Quote: Sarboz

Despite the fact that in some regiments every fourth crew of bombers was shot down.

Can you name the names of the pilots returned on the exchange?

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Can you name the names of the pilots returned on the exchange?

Can you name all the names of other servicemen who were returned as a result of exchanges?

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do you think that a man with a machine gun hanging in a doorway is the same flyer?

And in your opinion, a tanker is just a mechanic driver? The rest of the crew doesn't count?

[Sarboz]

Quote: Ingvar 72

The Fighterbomber TG channel regularly says that not a single captured pilot was returned to us.

By the way, he never wrote anything like that. He regularly writes that among those who returned as a result of another exchange, there are no three specific combat pilots of ours: Lieutenant Colonel Maxim Krigtop, Sergey Kosik and Major Sergey Malov. These guys are really not returned from the very beginning of the NWO. That is, you think that only three of our pilots were captured in a year? Despite the fact that in some regiments every fourth crew of bombers was shot down.

[Normann]

We all saw what it led to. The release of our prisoners of war is great, but the release of the Nazis is beyond any limits. Yes, and today there was an article about the awarding of M.R.A.Z.I., there is no other way to call it, in the White House, Washington.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Normann

We all saw what it led to. The release of our prisoners of war is great, but the release of the Nazis is beyond any limits. Yes, and today there was an article about the awarding of M.R.A.Z.I., there is no other way to call it, in the White House, Washington.

And how do you think these opposites should have been docked?

[Terenin]

Quote: SKVichyakow

Quote: Normann

We all saw what it led to. The release of our prisoners of war is great, but the release of the Nazis is beyond any limits. Yes, and today there was an article about the awarding of M.R.A.Z.I., there is no other way to call it, in the White House, Washington.

And how do you think these opposites should have been docked?

These opposites have already begun to join Wagner in the course of the battle.

[Alex Nevs]

And there, near Fashington, both binladen and baghdadi were grown. Nothing new.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Normann

The release of our prisoners of war is great, but the release of the Nazis is beyond any limits.

Well, ours stood in a pose and said - "We will not give up the Nazis, we will judge them, as Normann (y) promised." And the outskirts also stood in a pose and said - "Well then, we won't give you anyone"
Tell me, in such a situation, and it would be like that, would it be easier for you personally to breathe?
I don’t.

[Quote Lavrov]

The "trust" parliamentary group is just a gang of non-factional deputies financed by Kolomoisky. And the whole essence of the deputy's speech - look how much needed and good we are!
Why it was dragged to VO is hard to say.
One sentence stood out:
"The Russian side promised a 'civilized' exit for those who tried to keep the defense in the dungeons of Azovstal."
After this phrase, I really want to ask - how many Nazis did we take prisoner from the punitive "Azov" and how many of them are now in our custody? And then I'm still waiting, waiting for the promised by the Chairman of the State Duma and the head of the Investigative Committee of the trial of these Nazi criminals.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Why it was dragged to VO is hard to say.

Apparently, as the preparation of future "shares" of the Abramovichs.

[Leshak]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Why it was dragged to VO is hard to say.

Apparently, as the preparation of future "shares" of the Abramovichs.

Maybe Bakhmut's "defenders" are being prepared for the capture (and subsequent exchange).

[DefenderofTruth]

in the process of the military leaving the territory of the Mariupol plant, none of the parties violated their promises, nor did they try to carry out provocations.

The accused Nazis at the Nuremberg Tribunal in 1945 also behaved politely and decently, but does this mean that the judges from the USSR should have had pity on these murderers of millions of people and give them telephones?

[Andrea]

It was possible to agree only because the mousetrap slammed shut tightly and somehow there was no way to spoil somehow. Then the independents suddenly woke up to an agreement, which is the norm for normal people, and these have a reason to hit themselves with their heels in the chest - that's what we are!

[solar]

We managed to reach an agreement because...

that there was no chance to take Azovstal within a reasonable time, and someone really wanted to report on Mariupolnash. And the Ukrainians took advantage of this and pulled out Azov. Now it is being exchanged.

[Andrea]

I don’t know what “reasonable time” means, the main thing is that a certain number of lives of soldiers and civilians were saved.

[flint]

Come on, there were a lot of opportunities and ways to strangle these shabby heroes, just for some reason they didn’t give commands from above.

[VladimirNET]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Looks like no one got ripped off

They themselves - the captured "Azov" banged:
https://rusvesna.su/news/1659076095

[Mikhail Ivanov]

However! It turned out to be a total rip-off...
Whoever conducts these negotiations for Russia, in the end, the result is not just negative, but catastrophic! The leaders of the Azov people are sunbathing in Turkey, the top officials of the United States have recently awarded Tyra, and the British mercenary, who received the death penalty as a sentence, is back in the ranks (the battle against us near Artemovsk). But Qom creates a new political force, this time on our territory.
I thought a lot, why did our authorities do this? And I came to the conclusion that in addition to minor interests in business and the release of Medvudchuk, we frankly lack foresight in decision-making. Which, in turn, suggests that most leaders are in the wrong places. It was known even before the war, but now all the weak points have been revealed too openly...