Socialites of Hellas

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Socialites of Hellas
B. Spranger. Phyllis and Aristotle

Ancient Greek getters are often considered public women, but this opinion is deeply erroneous, getters in Athens, Corinth, and other cities of Hellas occupied a completely different, rather unique position.

The very word "getera" means "girlfriend", "companion". The word “heteria” (“partnership”) is the same root to it - this is how aristocratic unions created to oppose the demos were called in ancient Greek policies. And the getairs are an elite military unit, the horse guards of the Macedonian kings. The last commander of the hetairoi of Alexander the Great was Perdiccas, who after his death, albeit for a short time, became the regent of the empire of the great conqueror.



In one of his speeches, Demosthenes says that Athenian citizens take wives "in order to have legitimate children from them, and also in order to have a faithful guardian of their property in the house", concubines - "for the sake of daily bodily needs", and hetaera "for the sake of enjoyment."

Note that this "enjoyment" is clearly and distinctly separated from the "daily bodily needs." In some books of modern authors, one can read such a translation of the words of Demosthenes: "we get heterosexuals for spiritual comfort."
It is known that the great ancient Greek poet Pindar, whose odes were considered the highest award to the winners of the Olympic and other Greek games, wrote a hymn dedicated to the getters.

Communication with the getters was primarily of an intellectual nature: they could keep up the conversation on any topic - from the poetry of Homer and Stesichorus to the burning problems of the modern political situation in their native polis and all of Hellas. But they could also entertain the guest with playing musical instruments or dancing.


Hetera dancing at a symposia, red-figure painting on a kylix, circa 490–480. BC e.

Prominent politicians, successful commanders and distinguished guests of the policy did not hesitate to visit the houses of the getters. The famous Corinthian hetaera Lais (model of Apelles) said:

“I don’t know what books our philosophers read and what wisdom they preach, but these people knock on my door just as often as others.”

At the same time, intimate relationships with hetaerae were by no means guaranteed: they entered into them of their own free will - sometimes they demanded a lot of money, sometimes for free. So, they assure that the beggar philosopher Diogenes used the unfailing "favor" of the above-mentioned Lais.

The position of women in ancient Greece was unenviable - they were in the complete power of their fathers or spouses. The exceptions were Spartan women and getters: F. Engels called both of them

"the only women whom the ancients speak of with respect and whose sayings they recognize as worthy of mention"

("The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State").

By origin, hetaerae were close to the so-called "ladies of the half world", but in terms of the degree of influence on the life of the policy, they can rather be recognized as a kind of analogue of the "secular lionesses" of past centuries - like Juliette Recamier, Teresa Tallien and Anna Josepha Tervan (but not impostors like K. Sobchak). One of the hetaera once said to Socrates:

“I, the son of Sophronix, am stronger than you: after all, you cannot recapture my friends, and if I want to, I can lure all yours to me.”

Socrates agreed with her, answering that this is quite understandable and understandable, because she "leads from the mountain", he also makes "climb the mountain of virtue, and this is a steep and unusual road for most."

Marriage with a hetero was not considered shameful. Let's talk about some of them.

Aphrodite Apelles


Lais, a native of Sicily and the famous getter of the XNUMXth century BC. e., in childhood during the Peloponnesian War fell into slavery and was brought to Athens. Here it was bought by the famous artist Apelles. The acquisition was very successful, because the girl grew up so beautiful that Apelles began to write the goddess of love Aphrodite from her. Having received freedom, Lais was trained at the Corinthian school of getters and turned out to be an extremely capable student. As a hetaera, she was known not only in Greece, but also in Persia and Egypt.


"Lais of Corinth or Allegory of corrupt love", XVII century, painter of the school of Francesco Furini

We remember that she “gave love” to Diogenes for free, but from Demosthenes for a single night she demanded ten thousand drachmas, mockingly advising him, in case of lack of funds, to take them from the Athenians who love him.

According to Plutarch, the aged Lais followed her beloved Hippolochus to Thessaly, where she was killed by local women. Since during her lifetime she brought generous gifts to Corinth and donated significant funds to the local temple of Aphrodite, the inhabitants of the city erected a symbolic monument to her, depicting a lioness tearing a lamb. And on the site of her death, a tomb was built with the inscription:

“Glorious and invincible Greece is captivated by the divine beauty of Lais. A child of love, brought up by the school of Corinth, she rests in the flowering fields of Thessaly.

Aphrodite Praxiteles


The real name of this hetaera is from the XNUMXth century BC. e. - Mnesareta ("Remembering the virtues"), but she is much better known as Phryne, the model of two great creators of Hellas - Apelles and Praxiteles. You will probably be surprised to learn that this nickname means ... "Toad." Some believe that it was given by ill-wishers for the yellowish color of the skin, others - that it was protective in nature - in order to mislead envious spirits.

This woman was born in the city of Thespius dedicated to the Muses, but settled in Athens. Fans paid so much money for communicating with her that Phryne became the richest woman in Hellas. Athenaeus and Callistratus report that she even offered to the inhabitants of Thebes at her own expense to rebuild the walls of the city, destroyed in 336 BC. e. Alexander the Great. But the Thebans did not like the condition of Phryne, who demanded that a memorial plaque be erected with the inscription: "Thebes was destroyed by Alexander and restored by Phryne." And this offer was rejected.

Phryne was very choosy in relationships, they say that once she appointed the death of an applicant as a payment for a night of love. The “challenge” was accepted by the orator Hyperides, who in the morning really decided to drink poison, but Phryne took the cup from him.

Such adherence to principles almost caused the death of this hetaera. According to Athenaeus, the rich Euthius, rejected by Phryne, declared that by publicly stripping herself during a holiday in honor of Aphrodite, she commits sacrilege, offends the gods and corrupts the people. According to legend, the same Hyperides during the trial asked Phryne to take off her clothes - and the judges recognized that such a perfect body cannot hide an imperfect soul.


Jean-Leon Gerome. "Hetera Phryne in front of the Areopagus"

But Posidipp in the play "The Ephesian" gives a different version of those events, and many modern researchers consider it more reliable:

“Going around the whole court and touching everyone,
She, sobbing, begged for her life.

At the same time, they talk about Phryne’s unsuccessful attempt to seduce Plato’s student Xenocrates into a dispute: on this occasion, she later stated that she “wanted to arouse passion in a person, and not in a statue.”

At the same time, Plutarch claims that this hetaera was by no means a depraved woman and was highly respected in society:

Phryne said, already in her advanced years, that she received the highest price from her fans precisely for her reputation.

As we have already said, Phryne became a model for two great creators of Hellas. The first was Praxiteles, for whom she posed during his work on the famous statue of Aphrodite. Pliny stated:

“The most outstanding not only from the works of Praxiteles, but throughout the world, is Venus - to see her, many went to Knidos. He created two of them and sold at the same time, the second - in dressed form, which for this reason was preferred by the mowers, who had the right to choose, considering it strict and chaste, although he sold it at the same price. The rejected woman was bought by the Cnidians, but her fame is immeasurably higher. Subsequently, King Nicomedes wanted to buy it from the Cnidians, promising to pay all their public debt, which was huge. They chose to endure everything, and not in vain. Praxiteles glorified Cnidus with this statue.


Aphrodite of Knidos. Roman copy of the XNUMXst c. BC e.

Pausanias reports that Praxiteles promised Phryne any statue from his workshop as a reward:

“Hetera asked: “Which one is the best?”, But the sculptor refused to answer. Phryne fell silent, but a few days later a slave-servant ran up to the artist shouting: “There is a fire in the workshop!”
“If Satyr and Eros burn, I am dead,” the sculptor began to tear his hair, but then Phryne admitted that it was a fiction, and said that she was taking Eros for herself.

Alkifron claimed that Phryne presented this statue to her native city, but later she was taken to Rome by Caligula. After the death of this emperor, the statue was first returned to Thespius, but Nero again took it. It is reported that this sculpture perished during the Roman fire of 80 AD.

Later, Apelles painted from Phryne a picture of Aphrodite Andiomen (“Born from the Sea Foam”). An alleged Roman replica of this painting has been found in Pompeii.


Aphrodite Anadyomene, Roman copy, fresco in Pompeii

Wife of Pericles


Aspasia (literally translated, this name means “Affectionate”) is often called, if not the most famous, then the most influential of the hetaerae.


Roman copy of a herm with a bust of Aspasia, Rome, Pio-Clementino Museum

Arriving in the 440s. BC e. to Athens from Miletus, which was then called the "kingdom of geters", she opened in this city a real secular salon, to which Anaxagoras, Sophocles, Zeno, Protagoras, Euripides, Phidias, Herodotus, Socrates, Pericles and Alcibiades regularly came. Plutarch states:

“Socrates sometimes went to her with his acquaintances, and his students brought their wives to her to listen to her reasoning ... Many in Athens sought her company for the sake of her oratorical talent.”


Michel Corneille Jr. Aspasia surrounded by philosophers

But at the same time, as they say, Socrates, who, by the way, called himself “a wise adviser in love” (sophosta erotica) and “a friend of women”, categorically did not approve of visiting Aspasia by his best student, Alcibiades. Probably, he considered himself sufficiently “hardened” to communicate with Aspasia and other getters, but he doubted the morality of Alcibiades. Or was he just jealous of Aspasia for a younger admirer?


Jean-Leon Gerome. Socrates looking for Alcibiades at Aspasia's house

As a result, Pericles, who actually ruled Athens after the expulsion of the successful commander Cimon (this is the son of Miltiades), divorced his wife and married Aspasia. However, some believe that it was concubinage (cohabitation). She gave birth to a boy from him, for whom Pericles, contrary to strict laws, obtained Athenian citizenship. This son of Percles and Aspasia was one of the Athenian strategists during the victorious battle against the Spartan fleet under the Arginus Islands (406 BC). But the storm prevented the collection of the corpses of the fallen soldiers, and therefore Pericles the Younger and 5 other strategists were executed after returning to Athens.

Pericles was quite seriously accused of being ruled by a foreign hetaera for him, which dragged the policy into two wars - the Samian and the Peloponnesian. A trial was initiated against Aspasia, in which Aspasia was also accused of pandering and dishonor, and with great difficulty Pericles managed to achieve an acquittal for her. The same Plutarch, referring to Aeschines from Sfet, writes that Pericles "begged for Aspasia's mercy, shedding a lot of tears for her during the proceedings." However, not all modern historians believe in this, considering this process an invention of comedians (in particular, Hermipp).

After the death of Pericles, Aspasia married a certain cattle merchant, Lysicles, who, according to Plutarch, through this marriage "became the first man in Athens."
Let us return briefly to the teacher Alcivades and the "friend of women" Socrates. They say that one of the reasons for his death was the jealousy of the famous playwright Aristophanes, who did not share a certain hetaera Theodotus with the philosopher. At first, he cruelly ridiculed Socrates in the comedy "Clouds", as well as in the comedies "Frogs" and "Birds", and then he acted as one of the accusers of corrupting youths and godlessness.

The last companion of Alcibiades


Unjustly accused of defeat in the Battle of Cape Notius (February 406 BC), the Athenian autocratic strategist Alcibiades went into voluntary exile, settling in a small fortress he had previously captured in the region of Thracian Chersonese (on the Gallipoli peninsula near the Dardanelles) . In 405 BC. e. The Spartan commander Lysander finally defeated the Athenian fleet in the battle of Aegospotami, capturing almost all the ships. In 404 BC. e. he entered Athens and ordered the destruction of the Long Walls. In Athens, the pro-Spartan government of "30 tyrants" came to power, who were very afraid of the return of Alcibiades.

And therefore, fearing for his life, he moved into the possession of the Persian governor of Asia Minor Pharnabaz, settling in the Bithynian village of Griny. His only companion was the hetaera Timandra, who probably got her name in honor of her half-sister Elena the Beautiful. Some authors call this woman Theodette, and Timandra in this case is her nickname.

And the rulers of Athens and Sparta could not sleep peacefully while Alcibiades was alive. In the same year 404 BC. e. they managed to persuade Pharnabazus to give the order for his murder. Plutarch reports that the Persians set fire to the house of Alcibiades, but he, wrapping his left hand in a cloak, and clutching a sword in his right, managed to get out. The reputation of the exile was such that the assassins did not dare to engage in hand-to-hand combat with him: retreating, they threw spears at him.


Philip Chery. Death of Alcibiades

In this situation, Timandra acted more than worthily: she did not run away, referring to the very real danger of being robbed or even killed, but remained for the burial of her patron. The house with all the property burned down, only some things that belonged to her personally could be preserved at Timandra's disposal - rings, earrings, necklace. Nevertheless, she buried Alcibiades with honor - "as far as the funds got." She probably had to sell all her remaining property for this.

Antique Cinderella


History The life of this woman is known to us thanks to Herodotus. He claims that Rhodopis was a Thracian slave and lived during the time of Pharaoh Amasis II (570-526 BC). Its first owner Herodotus calls Iadmon from the island of Samos, who, according to legend, was also the owner of the fabulist Aesop.


“Beautiful Rhodopis in love with Aesop”, engraving by Francesco Bartolozzi from a painting by Angelica Kaufman

Then Rhodopis was sold to Egypt, but the brother of the famous Sappho bought her and set her free (for which, by the way, she reproached him in her poems, calling Rhodopis "Dorikha"). Rhodopis settled in the Egyptian city of Naucratis and eventually became a well-known hetero. And then a suspiciously familiar plot appeared in this story, which is stated, in particular, by Strabo and Claudius Elian. Allegedly, while bathing Rhodopis, the eagle stole one of her sandals, which he dropped in Memphis right on the knees of Pharaoh Psammetikh (several rulers with that name are known).

Intrigued, Psammetich ordered to find the woman who owned the sandal. Rhodopis was brought to Memphis, where she charmed the ruler with her beauty and manners so much that he married her. It is believed that it was this legend that became the basis of the European fairy tale about Cinderella.

"Girlfriends" of Alexander the Great


Hetera Thais of Athens gained great fame in the USSR thanks to the novel of the same name by Ivan Efremov. Plutarch, Diodorus and Curtius Rufus report that it was she who provoked Alexander the Great to burn the magnificent royal palace of Persepolis, calling on the intoxicated conqueror to avenge Athens, destroyed by Xerxes 150 years ago.


Georges-Antoine Rochegrosse. Incendie de Persepolis, 1890


Thais in a painting by Joshua Reynolds claimed to have posed for a famous London prostitute

Athenaeus tells about her further fate:

“This same Taida, after the death of Alexander, married Ptolemy, the first king of Egypt, and bore him sons Leontisk and Lag and a daughter, Irene, who was married to Evnost, king of Sol in Cyprus.”

Thais of Athens also became the heroine of Menander's comedy.

By the way, another getter named Thais is known, who also lived in Egypt - already in the XNUMXrd century AD. e. Having repented, she was canonized, and later became the heroine of the novel by A. France and the opera by J. Massenet.


Saint Taisia ​​of Thebaid on the icon of the XNUMXth century

Getera Campaspe, a native of the Thessalian city of Larissa, also became the favorite of Alexander the Great and Ptolemy I, as well as the model of Apelles. However, the first story about it is contained only in the writings of Pliny the Elder (Roman author of the XNUMXst century AD). Claudius Elian, who lived in the II-III centuries. n. e., claims that Campaspe became the first woman of the great Alexander. This message contradicts the testimony of Theophrastus, who studied with Aristotle at the same time as the heir to the Macedonian throne, that a certain Kalliksena introduced the future conqueror to the carnal love:

“Olympias and Philip ... called the Thessalian hetaera Callixena, a very beautiful woman, to bed with Alexander. They were afraid that their son would become a womanly man, and Olympias often begged him to have sexual contact with Callixena.

According to Pliny, who admired the beauty of Campaspa, Alexander the Great ordered Apelles to depict her naked. Pliny assures that this is how the painting “Aphrodite Anadyomene” appeared, but other authors, as we remember, believe that the hetera Phryne, already familiar to us, became the model for her.


Willem van Hacht. “Apelles draws Campaspe” (another name for the painting is “Alexander the Great in the studio of Apelles”)

In the process of work, the artist fell in love with his model, and Alexander generously gave him this hetaera.

They report about the passion for Campaspa and the teacher of Alexander himself - Aristotle. It was even said that he let her ride him. However, other authors claim that this "rider" was another hetaera - Herpilis, who gave birth to a son from Aristotle, to whom he bequeathed all his property. But still others claim that Aristotle was "saddled" by the Thracian princess Phyllida. This story became the subject of numerous medieval engravings, as an illustration of the victory of sensual pleasures over lofty philosophizing. You saw one of them at the beginning of the article. Look at another one:


Master of the Housebook. Aristotle and Phyllis, 1485

And this is a wooden sculpture of 1523 "Aristotle and Phyllis", which can be seen in the Bavarian town of Ottobeuren:


But back to Alexander the Great.

The greatest love of the great king, it seems, was Barsina. It was not a geter, but a woman of very noble origin and impeccable behavior - the daughter of the Persian exile Artabazus, the former ruler of Helespont Phrygia, the widow of the commanders of the Greek mercenaries of Persia Mentor and Memnon. Plutarch especially notes her good character. Barsina became the favorite of Alexander, who knew her from childhood, and was inseparably with him from 332 to 327. BC e. - before his marriage to Roxanne.

Her father was appointed king satrap of Bactria and Sogdiana. About 327 B.C. e. Barsina gave birth to a son from Alexander, who was named Hercules. The marriage of Alexander to Roxana did not lead to Barsina's disgrace. At the famous wedding in Susa (324 BC), her daughter by Mentor was given to Nearchus as a wife, and the sisters married Ptolemy and Eumenes.

The fate of Barsina and her son turned out to be very sad: Hercules, as a descendant and heir of Alexander, was very inconvenient for all the diadochi - the successors of the great king. And in 309 BC. e. Polyperchon, the former commander of the phalanx of Alexander, who at that moment ruled Corinth and Sicyon, in collusion with Cassander, the son of the general Antipater, ordered the death of both Barsina and Hercules.

"Scary Beast Lamia"


Demetrius Poliorketes (“Besieger of the City”), son of Antigonus One-Eyed, the famous commander of the kings Philip and Alexander, in 306 BC. e. captured the island of Cyprus, which previously belonged to the ruler of Egypt, Ptolemy I. Among his trophies were the son of Ptolemy Leontisk (his mother is called Thais of Athens) and hetaera Lamia, who, among other things, was also an excellent flutist. It was Lamia who went down in history as the “mistress of the heart” of this diadoch (who was only officially married 5 times). Plutarch writes about this woman:

“At that time, her beauty had already faded, and the difference in years between her and Demetrius was very great, and yet, with her charms and charm, Lamia caught and braided him so tightly that she alone could call Demetrius her lover - he only allowed himself to be loved.

By that time, Demetrius was already revered in Athens as a living god, the son of Poseidon and Aphrodite, in this policy altars were dedicated to him, hymns were sung in his honor. Demosthenes' nephew Demoharus claims that initially the Athenians also began to worship Lamia, and at the same time another mistress of Demetrius, Leena. And Polemon in his work “On the Painted Portico in Sicyon” reports that the Thebans also built temples to Aphrodite Lamia and Aphrodite Leena.


F. Kavcic, "Demetrius, Lamia and her friend Dema"

However, the attitude of the Athenians towards Lamia soon changed for the worse. The same Plutarch says:

“Among the many abuses and lawlessness that were then going on, the most painful, as they say, the Athenians were hurt by the order to immediately get two hundred and fifty talents, for, seeing that the money was collected - and they were collected with inexorable severity, - Demetrius ordered to transfer everything to Lamia and other hetaera for soap, blush and ointments. More than the loss of the citizens weighed shame, and the rumor was worse than the deed itself. Some, however, say that Demetrius played this joke not with the Athenians, but with the Thessalians.

The same author cites this anecdote:

“Once an embassy arrived from Demetrius to Lysimachus, and he, at his leisure, showed the guests deep scars on his thighs and arms, and said that these were traces of lion claws and that they remained after a fight with a beast, alone with which he locked him when is Tsar Alexander. Here the ambassadors noticed with a laugh that their king also wears bite marks on his neck from the bites of a wild and terrible beast - Lamia.

Lamia gave birth to a daughter, Phila, from Demetrius, but in 302 BC. e. her name disappears from historical documents. Some believe that she died during childbirth.

Courtesans - hetaeras of the Renaissance


Many drew attention to the similarity of hetaerae with European courtesans of the Renaissance period - in the original sense of the word: Italian cortigiana and French courtisane literally translated into Russian mean "court". This was the name of the ladies living in the palaces of royalty, aristocrats and high prelates of the Catholic Church, who officially enjoyed the patronage of influential men - it was a matter of prestige, a demonstration of wealth and a high position in society.

A prince of the blood, a count or a cardinal simply had to buy thoroughbred horses, order blades only from the workshops of famous gunsmiths, splurge on luxurious clothes trimmed with sable or ermine furs, and maintain very expensive courtesans.

It is curious that the Italian courtesans were ordered to sit at the window with open breasts, demonstrating their charms to passers-by, and thereby increasing the prestige of their patron among the townspeople. Therefore, many portraits of unknown young ladies with bare breasts are considered portraits of courtesans.


Courtesan in a portrait by Vecchio, circa 1520

Courtesans were fundamentally different from meretrices - banal kept mistresses. In terms of their level of education, many of them were not inferior to the ancient Greek getters. The famous Venetian courtesan Lucrezia, who had the nickname Madre manon vuole, according to Aretino, “knew all of Petrarch and Boccaccio and a lot of poems from Virgil, Horace, Ovid and many other authors, a huge number of poems in Latin.”

The first European courtesans were divided into two categories. Oneste ("honest" ladies) did not provide intimate services and were the mistresses of secular salons, performing representative functions. On their shoulders lay the responsibility for a decent reception and entertainment of the most sophisticated guests. And they did not avoid dilume intimacy with their patrons and, in order to maintain external decorum, they often entered into fictitious marriages with men who occupied a lower position in society than the persons with whom they were.
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  1. +19
    8 March 2023 04: 52
    Hetaerae of Greece, geishas of Japan... different centuries, peoples, cultures, and how much is similar...
  2. +15
    8 March 2023 04: 55
    Great article, great illustrations! Women's beauty is a terrible force! Many thanks to Valery Ryzhov!
    I congratulate all Women on the holiday, all the best to you ... our fighting friends!
    1. +18
      8 March 2023 05: 10
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Women's beauty is a terrible force!

      Quote: Hunter 2
      all the best to you ... fighting our friends


      feel
    2. +14
      8 March 2023 05: 11
      With all my heart I join Alexey! smile
      All lovely ladies with the Holiday of Spring! love drinks
      1. +12
        8 March 2023 05: 59
        March 8 is the most beautiful holiday of the year!
      2. +13
        8 March 2023 07: 07
        Congratulate your loved ones too! Health to them!
        Let joyful feelings be every day!
        And on holidays - especially!
    3. +12
      8 March 2023 06: 33
      Great article, great illustrations!

      I join Alex. I liked the article. Many things I didn't know before Thank you.
      1. +10
        8 March 2023 06: 41
        Quote: Richard
        Great article, great illustrations!

        I join Alex. I liked the article. Many things I didn't know before Thank you.

        It remains only to enter your ranks, comrades!
        Quote: Richard
        Women's beauty is a terrible force!

        No objections! Only for!
        But riding Aristotle? It's really cool! laughing
    4. +11
      8 March 2023 07: 05
      Festive mood in the city and in the world: let's use and support.
      Long live the holiday!

      Yes, even on this page and with an ancient Greek tinge!
      1. +16
        8 March 2023 09: 10
        Yes, today the entire section is "just some kind of holiday" !!!
        1. +14
          8 March 2023 09: 18
          the entire section is "just some kind of holiday" !!!
          Yeah, March 8th, yesterday, it was empty. smile
          1. +13
            8 March 2023 11: 58
            And everything is in color, the main thing! There is Boudica, here are the Socialites of Hellas. On Women's Day about Women and for Women!
        2. +13
          8 March 2023 12: 26
          It's wonderful when a holiday turns out to be a holiday.
          Yesterday, apparently, was "Christmas Eve before March 8th."
    5. +3
      8 March 2023 21: 05
      I congratulate all Women on the holiday, all the best to you ... our fighting friends!

      I'm joining! With all my heart I congratulate our ladies / girls who are constantly present in the "History" section - Katya, Vera, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, and other visitors to VO on the Holiday! Happiness, love, fulfillment of all desires! love
      And, my male friends - your wives / daughters / mothers - Happy Holidays! With the warmest wishes! love
    6. +1
      9 March 2023 17: 15
      Women's beauty is a terrible force!


      And who would argue...
  3. +20
    8 March 2023 06: 37
    Hunter 2 (Alexey): Female beauty is a terrible force

    On March 8, even paratroopers and marines are afraid to catch the eye of lonely, tipsy women. (With) lol
    Happy holiday dear forum users love
    1. +18
      8 March 2023 07: 17
      even paratroopers and marines are afraid of being seen by the lonely...


      For sure - it’s better not to, and the Ministry of Health warns ... laughing

      1. +10
        8 March 2023 08: 13
        One consolation - our March is met with a lot of clothes.
        1. +11
          8 March 2023 08: 44
          Quote from Korsar4
          One consolation - our March is met with a lot of clothes.


          You can get rid of clothes feel
          I have such a "tin soldier" wink
          1. +10
            8 March 2023 09: 52
            The canteen girls were also among the tin soldiers? Comprehensive education of the younger generation?
    2. +10
      8 March 2023 07: 51
      Quote: Richard

      On March 8, even paratroopers and marines are afraid to catch the eye of lonely, tipsy women. (With) lol:

      Dmitriy hi There are no options at all ... if you suddenly get caught by a strange woman, then your own will be executed without a trial with a short investigation crying
      It's better to dry out quietly, smiling only in one direction love once a year being "henpecked" is good for physical and moral health!
    3. +6
      8 March 2023 20: 14
      And we have few of them: there were 3 in "History", and now I saw one - Katya.
      We also went into "Armament 3, and now ....
      LYUDMILA YAKOVLEVNA IS SILENT, ASTRA "walks under Muller"
      In the news, it seems, 2. Only 5.
      Guys, we still treat them cruelly.
      At Astra's grief, she buried her sister, and her minuses.
      The other day I re-read her comment about the son-in-law. And you know, it’s quite plausible: the best field commanders of the DRG were “silked”, but where were their special services looking? Under Stalin, if only for one "Motorola" of their minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, against the wall. And Givi, it seemed that the DRG was walking around their apartment.
      Beria would, without talking, in 24 hours all the Ministry of Internal Affairs slammed
      Let's be more careful as our ladies.
      PS. Dear ladies. Be kind and we will love and cherish you.
      1. +3
        8 March 2023 20: 25
        Dear Vlad 2, thank you for your kind words, but if it comes to a gun, I can stand up for myself
        I bet that not everyone knows PSM, yes PM. My husband did not like to clean and I cleaned. Izh understood. So I can take care of myself.
        Katya was also taught to disassemble, some kind of Turkish without a hammer. I, maxim, that I can remove the store from AK, maybe I will take out the shutter
  4. +10
    8 March 2023 06: 54
    In 333 B.C. e. after the defeat of Darius III at the battle of Issus, Barsina, along with other wives and children of Persian nobles, was captured by the Macedonians near Damascus. Soon Barsina became the mistress of Alexander the Great. According to Plutarch, before his marriage, the Macedonian king "was indifferent to wives' bodily joys" and "did not know a single woman except Barsina."
    link: Kilyashova K. A. The Political Role of Women in the Court of the Macedonian Kings of the Argead Dynasty
    1. +9
      8 March 2023 07: 29
      However, the same Kilyashova in her work rightly points to Pliny the Elder and Claudius Elian, who wrote that the first woman with whom the king became close in early adolescence was Kalliksena, and his long-term mistress was the famous hetaera Campaspa from Larissa (Claudius Elian had her and the first woman in Alexander's life)
      1. +9
        8 March 2023 07: 42
        In 1960, a well-preserved fresco depicting a scene with Venus was discovered in Pompeii. Many historians believe that this fresco may be a Roman copy of the Apelles painting, famous in antiquity, depicting Venus ("Aphrodite Anadyomene"), born from the sea, and Pliny claimed that it was Campaspe that served as the model for this Venus.
      2. 0
        26 March 2023 17: 37
        Judging by the sculpture, she was a tall lady. Subject to the credibility of the sculpture to nature.
  5. +9
    8 March 2023 07: 02
    Today we have a festive lecture about hetaerae. Yes, even (according to a joke) and with slides.
    The Muses are obviously far and high. And earthly women are close.

    In Spring, dear ladies!
    1. +9
      8 March 2023 07: 19
      with slides... And earthly women are close.

      All right smile

  6. +13
    8 March 2023 07: 08

    Apelles and his muse. The beautiful half of humanity - with the holiday of spring and beauty! love
    1. +10
      8 March 2023 07: 28
      Quote: Tlauicol
      his muse.

      Many muses, good and different! laughing
      1. +9
        8 March 2023 13: 46
        folk ancient greek song smile
        folk words and music
        Let's sit down, lads, on the trireme
        Do not take Femistokol
        Let's bury quickly to getters
        Drink wine and rest
        Chorus:
        With oars one, two, three triremes
        black-browed hetaera
        Picked berries in the garden

        Happy holiday dear women love drinks
  7. +13
    8 March 2023 07: 09
    They completely forgot the Byzantine Holy Empress, the former dancer of the easiest behavior Theodora
    1. VLR
      +13
      8 March 2023 07: 12
      You need to write a separate article about it. smile
      One mention or a short story will not get off.
      Maybe I'll get together sometime
      1. +4
        8 March 2023 21: 06
        Valery, you are a noble person, do not refuse the request to make a semblance of a cycle about the famous: geishas and courtesans.
        And then we have 96% believe that they are only for bed.
        Even, I love history, but I almost put an equal sign: hetaera and flat joy, but I don’t know about geishas at all
        1. +3
          8 March 2023 23: 01
          I always put an equal sign: geter and flat joy

          On the contrary, judging by the surviving images, the hetaerae were ladies very embossed Yes
          It’s a no brainer that you got a banal blunder, but it still turned out cool good
          Happy holiday to you, Katenka love drinks
    2. +8
      8 March 2023 09: 29
      It's impossible to forget her.
      "The best shroud is a profira!"
  8. +18
    8 March 2023 07: 23
    Happy March 8! Our dear loved ones! Wives, hetaerae, concubines! laughing love
  9. Fat
    +17
    8 March 2023 07: 29
    hi Valery. Great article. A magnificent panegyric to the elected representatives of the "beau monde" and "demimond" smile
    I congratulate all visitors, guardians and trustees of the site on the holiday.
    1. +7
      8 March 2023 07: 59
      Oh yes Andrey Borisych! Where did you find this postcard?
      It's all about how democratic the USSR was.
      Among the legislators of the Caucasian "fashion" - Circassians, Kabards, Circassians and related peoples, only representatives of the highest echelons of power could wear red shoes.
      1. +8
        8 March 2023 08: 11
        And the young ladies of other regions all dreamed of little laces.
        1. +5
          8 March 2023 11: 50
          Quote from Korsar4
          And the young ladies of other regions all dreamed of little laces.

          About laces and lace panties
      2. Fat
        +7
        8 March 2023 08: 18
        hi Hi Dmitry.
        Quote: Richard
        Among the legislators of the Caucasian "fashion" - Circassians, Kabards, Circassians and related peoples, only representatives of the highest echelons of power could wear red shoes.

        And so... Soviet artists rejected the "royal vestiges" of the dark past. laughing
  10. +14
    8 March 2023 08: 13
    Colleagues, good morning.
    Valery, thank you for saving such a story on March 8.
    Regarding the "ladies of the half world" in our Soviet historiography, the "ladies of the half world" were negatively evaluated
    1. +15
      8 March 2023 08: 26
      Regarding the "ladies of the half world" in our Soviet historiography, the "ladies of the half world" were negatively evaluated
      They were negatively evaluated, even in anti-Soviet jokes:
      - Vasil Ivanovich, but here it is written that "the patricians organized orgies with hetaeras", but what are "orgies"?
      - Well, orgies, Petka, are drinking.
      - And who are the "getters"? - ****** (women with low social responsibility) this, Petka, ****** (women with low social responsibility).
      What about "patricians"? - Patricians? Hmm ... No, Petk, a typo there, not "patricians", but party members. laughing Happy Holidays! love love love
  11. VLR
    +12
    8 March 2023 08: 19
    More about courtesans. Why did the church not object to the public demonstration of their "charms"? On the one hand, influential patrons wanted everyone to see that their passions were flawless girls. But, on the other hand, the priests believed that the courtesans thus "turn the parishioners away from the sin of Sodom."
    1. +6
      8 March 2023 09: 48
      Greetings, Valery.
      The main quality of the getters was considered - kalokagatia In Greek, "kalos" - "beautiful", "agatos" - "kind" (a combination of the beauty of the body and mind)
      For the sake of completeness of your article, I will add - not only the fair sex were heterosexuals in ancient Greece. The Greeks in this sense were "very tolerant" smile This is mentioned by the ancient Greek writer of the III-II century BC Athenaeus, and Perseus of Kita, and Plato himself
      1. +4
        8 March 2023 17: 10
        "were" very tolerant, "that's where" the gays started?
        1. +2
          8 March 2023 22: 25
          "were" very tolerant "

          In ancient Greece, homosexual prostitution was widespread and even regulated by special legislation. According to the laws of Solon, a passive homosexual gigolo had no right to take money for his services (only gifts or other material benefits), hold public office, and also be a lawyer and archon. There were even men's brothels in Athens. However, a free-born Athenian could not engage in prostitution and, if caught in a sexual relationship with another man, was deprived of his civil rights for money, could not hold an elected office, perform priestly functions, and even speak in a national assembly or before a council of elders. These prohibitions did not apply to prisoners of war, meteks and foreigners. Xenophon even mentions a peculiar "blue" hierarchy":
          lower level - brothels and temple prostitution (Enarei)
          at the top of the hierarchy were musically educated getters (for Aristophanes - "men-metresses") and homosexual actors.
          where did the blues start from?

          Hardly. The roots of male prostitution go back to ancient times. Just like female, male prostitution was common among the Minoans, Sumerians, in the Chinese Empire, Ancient Egypt and other countries of the ancient world.
  12. +12
    8 March 2023 08: 22
    feared that their son would become a womanly man

    Those are smart people! And now they would offer him to choose a gender type. Or maybe even funded a sex change operation. Transgender Alexander would have married some Hephaestion and no Hellenism for you!
  13. +16
    8 March 2023 08: 30
    Valerie - thanks!
    Beautiful ladies - Happy Holidays! Happiness to you, health and good mood!
  14. +17
    8 March 2023 08: 57
    I join in the congratulations!
    With a holiday on March 8!!!
    Please accept our congratulations
    International Women's Day!
    Let your mood be
    Always blooming like lilacs
    May your life be beautiful
    And children are always happy
    Let your house be a full bowl!
    Good luck, happiness and goodness!
  15. +12
    8 March 2023 09: 03
    The exception was the Spartans.

    Plutarch quotes the Spartan queen Gorgo as follows: "When asked by a woman from Attica, 'Why are you Spartan women the only ones who can control men?' she said: 'Because we are also the only ones who give birth to men.'"
  16. +10
    8 March 2023 09: 27
    According to legend, the same Hyperides during the trial asked Phryne to take off her clothes - and the judges recognized that such a perfect body cannot hide an imperfect soul.

    By the way, there is nothing unreliable in this version, according to their ideas, known as “kalokagatiya”, in a physically perfect person, his morality is also perfect (this is the choice of the gods, but you can’t argue here) hi
    1. +9
      8 March 2023 10: 41
      I also like the phrase of our days that a person in old age wears the face that he deserves.
  17. +7
    8 March 2023 09: 30
    Demetrius ordered that everything be transferred to Lamia and other getters for soap, rouge and ointments.

    Did the Greeks know soap?
    1. VLR
      +8
      8 March 2023 09: 44
      Possibly an inaccurate translation: the original text could have been something like "washing liquid". According to another version, something similar to modern soap was brought from Egypt - and this product was very expensive.
      1. +6
        8 March 2023 09: 51
        Quote: VlR
        Possibly an inaccurate translation

        Most likely, apparently, the translator did not know this. hi
        1. +8
          8 March 2023 10: 15
          My respects, Nicholas
          Did the Greeks know soap?

          Why not? Were they isolated from other nations?
          One of the Sumerian clay tablets, dated 2500 BC, described the process of making soap. A mixture of wood ash and water was boiled, then the fat was melted in it, obtaining a soapy solution.
          During excavations in modern Italy, among the ruins of Pompeii, archaeologists found real industrial soap factories.
          The very word "soap" (in English - soap) was formed from the name of Mount Sapon.
          We honor Tacitus:
          On Sapona, sacrifices were made to the gods. The inhabitants of Rome brought wild animals, livestock, birds to this mountain and burned them, and the gods accepted gifts through fire. A mixture of unburned remains of animal fat and wood ash flowed with clay into the Tiber River. The women who washed clothes there noticed that with this mixture the dirt was washed off more easily. "Gift of the Gods" began to be used for washing clothes and for washing.
          1. +10
            8 March 2023 10: 43
            And you can select a whole group of plants containing saponins.
  18. +7
    8 March 2023 11: 07
    Could the statues have burned down in a fire? What were they made of and what danger threatened them because of the fire?
    But the storm prevented the collection of the corpses of the dead soldiers, and therefore Pericles the Younger and 5 other strategists were executed after returning to Athens.

    Interesting .. The execution of the admiral and his closest associates after winning the battle due to the fact that they could not collect the dead? Obviously there were some other intrigues.
    Reading all the articles, I am surprised at how Athens, or rather their top, dealt with the generals who won the battles. Exile, execution of the winners seems to be the norm for them.
    1. VLR
      +4
      8 March 2023 11: 25
      They say that marble can burn: it turns out that when heated, combustible CaF2 is calcium fluoride (fluorite)
      1. +8
        8 March 2023 13: 38
        when heated combustible CaF2
        CaF2 is not combustible, and marble does not burn, but when heated it turns into quicklime - CaCO3 = CaO + CO2, respectively, the statue crumbles.
    2. Fat
      +9
      8 March 2023 13: 45
      Quote: Not the fighter
      Could the statues have burned down in a fire? What were they made of and what danger threatened them because of the fire?

      hi Greetings Roman. Chrysoelephantine sculpture is a sculpture made of gold and ivory. characteristic of ancient art. This is a wooden frame on which ivory plates were pasted, conveying a naked body, and clothes, weapons, and hair were made of gold. In a fire, such things are lost forever. About two hundred such statues are mentioned in the sources, but not a single one has survived to our time. Only marble copies of a few. Archaeologists have found up to 50 fragments of chrysoelephantine statues... The ivory has darkened over time.
      1. +5
        8 March 2023 15: 58
        Thanks for the clarification, this is the first time I've heard of this.
    3. +4
      8 March 2023 16: 01
      Quote: Not the fighter
      The execution of the admiral and his closest associates after winning the battle due to the fact that they could not collect the dead?

      For almost all civilizations of antiquity, an incorrect burial or lack of it is sanctity!
      By the way, the gods still punished the Athenians for the fact that the fallen were not buried in accordance with all the rules. This victory was their last. feel
      As for the statues, the marble ones were often and densely smashed, and the bronze ones that survived until the late Middle Ages were poured onto cannons. request
    4. 0
      26 March 2023 17: 49
      Successful generals become popular, and thus competitors to those in power.

      And do they need it? The answer is simple - it must be removed from the political field. All means are good.
  19. +7
    8 March 2023 12: 59
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Women's beauty is a terrible force!

    Anton Chekhov - Investigating Judge.
    I apologize from memory, I haven’t read it for a long time, but the meaning is correct.
    "The more often her beauty flashes before my eyes, the stronger my sadness becomes. This is a feeling that arises every time I contemplate true beauty. Maybe because beauty, like all things in the world, is something causal and short-lived or more simply because I knew that the woman is not mine and never will be mine.
    But we men know that the latter is the reason. wink
  20. +8
    8 March 2023 16: 38
    Good day to all
    Valery, thank you for the gift. All your work is always good, and Heter, I regard it as a gift for March 8th.
    I hoped that today there would be a solemn housewarming: there was some calm at the front. But a bummer: the cottage has no electricity, builders from the Komintern brigade, as we call guest workers.
    The owner "threw" us: we gave him an apartment on the 7th floor, built in 2011, and he had a cottage. But he said about electricity, and there was a short circuit. In short, change the wiring, and etr money. The husband does not want an electrician, he wanted to do it himself, but he comes home from work at 20,30. Microchips are also made by various "tricky" boxes for MO.
    Only in the kitchen and bathroom did the wiring, and in the rooms the wires stick out from the ceiling and walls.
    Wake up laughing, but in the "ladies" bedroom, a cuirass lamp with a reflector, and there is a stamp: "Istanbul" 1923! He says he barely found the glass.
    I've only seen it in movies before, but now I've seen it myself..
    1. +4
      8 March 2023 21: 45
      Judging by the description, this is a 7 or even 9 linear lamp. Their glass is not very high, they shine brightly.
      We once had, it seems, a 3-linear one. The more lines, the brighter. Alas, that's all I can say.
      Comrades, joking aside, I considered myself one of the last Mohicans who knows a kerosene lamp and knows how to use a fire iron (there were fire irons: they filled up the heat). There were more noticeable ones: they were heated in the stove.
      It turned out that young people also know a kerosene lamp
  21. +2
    8 March 2023 17: 02
    "killed by local women" Valery, in this case, geter and street woman are practically a synonym?
    With what such a "fright" they kill an old woman? If it was considered street then you can still understand
    1. VLR
      +1
      8 March 2023 17: 13
      That's why they killed her, perhaps because she was not like the others.
  22. +2
    8 March 2023 19: 39
    Judging by Aphrodite of Knidos, Phryne had a perfect body
    And I do not always recognize the beauty of women.
    In my youth, I was angry when my husband looked at pictures of naked women and on the beach, I felt restless
    By the way, Katya is more loyal, her husband watched nude pictures, and she doesn’t care. But in nature, if it catches ......
  23. 0
    8 March 2023 21: 23
    Thanks TC for the article. Happy holiday to all dear and beloved! Waiting for an article on the influence of women
    on men in ancient Rome. Or you can leave even earlier. To ancient Egypt. Queen Hatshepsut.
  24. +2
    8 March 2023 21: 29
    Comrades, do you know how he avenged Socrates?
    Those who slandered and condemned him. The next day, after the death of Socrates, the soldiers were severely punished: they were not to sell food, not to communicate, not to let anyone in or let them out of the city. So that they die of thirst and hunger, somewhere in the wasteland
  25. -2
    9 March 2023 17: 30
    Sobchak does not pull on a hetaera. But the woman is not just smart, I don’t even know who to compare with her in intelligence and thirst for action ...
  26. 0
    9 March 2023 21: 48
    Getters, geishas, ​​escorts (which are elite). It's all about the one that is not a weight, but has weight. With variations, of course, but about her.
  27. 0
    11 March 2023 06: 24
    Was the word "daddy" in Greek? And just like now in Russia it turns out
  28. 0
    11 March 2023 10: 09
    hetaerae could not contain the conquest of Greece by Rome
    but the hoplites and peltasts did not want am
  29. 0
    13 March 2023 10: 00
    Tais the Athenian Efremova.... book of childhood....