Britannia. Rebellion of Boudica

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Britannia. Rebellion of Boudica
Boudica urges the Britons to defend their country from Roman invaders. Engraving by William Sharp. National Portrait Gallery, London


“Boudica has become an icon of the British national stories and is now a symbol of not only British freedom, but also the power of women. She was painted and sculpted. She "acted" in films and was the protagonist of numerous books, both academic and artistic.

This is the characterization given to the heroine of this article by a professor at the Australian University of Newcastle, Marguerite Johnson, and we will go further and try to consider in more detail the uprising of Boudica, the “queen” of one of the Celtic Iceni tribes, during the occupation of Britain by the Roman Empire in 60 AD. e.




Queen of the British Iceni tribe. Illustration from The History of England, published 1859.

Many sources that have come down to us agree that Boudica was a woman of noble birth, she was tall and had long reddish-brown hair that fell below the waist. She had a strong and sharp voice that complemented her piercing eyes. But the cruel treatment of her and her two daughters by the Romans who came to the island was the direct cause of the uprising in Britain under the leadership of this powerful woman. But in order to find out what was the immediate cause of the uprising and what Britain was like before the invasion of the Roman legions, let's try to rewind time a few decades ago...

Several decades ago


Having done away with continental Europe, Rome began its slow and gradual conquest of Britain. The first was Julius Caesar, who paid a visit to the island in 55 and 54 BC. e. The military visit was not entirely successful, and Caesar with his legions withdrew back to the continent to deal with more pressing matters.


Emblem of a Roman legionary with the inscription SPQR, the initial letters of the Latin term meaning "Senate and People of Rome"

Nearly a century passed, and already in 43 AD, the Roman Empire under the emperor Claudius under the command of Aulus Plautius launched a successful military invasion of Britain with an army of about 40 people. And if the military campaigns of Caesar in 000 and 55 BC. e. were not entirely successful, this time the Romans achieved rapid military success, Britain became a Roman province, and the Romans consolidated their power on the island for almost three and a half centuries. It was from this moment that the first written records about the history of England began to appear ...


The settlement area of ​​the Celtic tribes before the start of the Roman invasion

The Roman legions pushed deeper and deeper into Britain, conquering the various Celtic tribes one by one. Some tribes, seeking to preserve themselves and their independence, united with Rome as federates (allies), while others offered desperate resistance.

But the strength of the resistance of the local tribes was such that the island was never completely conquered and required a disproportionate military presence from the authorities of Rome throughout the entire time of its existence as a Roman province.

However, military force was not the only tactic used by the empire to hold onto conquered territories. Several Celtic tribal leaders proposed that their "kingdoms" be federated states of Rome. Basically, this meant that while their leaders were alive, they were obliged to pay taxes and unquestioningly carry out all the orders of Rome when they were asked to do so. And by fulfilling all these conditions, they could maintain a certain level of permitted sovereignty in the Roman Empire.

Trying to protect his people from Roman tyranny, Prasutag from the Celtic Iceni tribe* (modern-day Norfolk) was one of eleven British tribal leaders who submitted to the Roman emperor Claudius immediately after the initial Roman conquest of the island in 43 AD. Thus, the Iceni were one of the tribes that made this agreement with Rome, and Prasutag was officially appointed by the Roman authorities as the "king" of the Iceni, a friend and ally of Rome, and remained so until his death (about 60 AD) .


Approximate territory of the Iceni tribe

The long reign of Prasutagus was remembered by his contemporaries as particularly prosperous, and when Prasutagus died he left the then Roman Emperor Nero as his co-heir, along with his two daughters. Although Prasutag hoped this would provide security for his people and his family, this political testament of his set the stage for a massive tribal uprising led by his wife, Boudica.

Boudica


The agreement between the federal people and Rome collapsed immediately after the death of Prasutag. The fact is that, according to Roman laws, it was possible to leave political independence to their federates, and this was normal Roman practice, but on one condition - all the territorial possessions of the leader in the event of his death were bequeathed to the Roman emperor. Roman imperial laws allowed inheritance only through the male line, so all the efforts of Prasutag to transfer the throne to representatives of his kind were in vain.

To transfer the Iceni tribe to the rank of provincial status, and to turn the “kingdom” of Prasutag into a part of the Roman province, was to be Cat Decian, the procurator who exercised financial supervision over this province. Based on existing laws, after his death, the possession of Prasutag was annexed, all the lands were confiscated, and the property was described with Roman thoroughness. In addition, the Romans began to treat the iceni horribly, with Boudica herself and her two daughters - she was publicly scourged, and her daughters were raped.

Moreover, in addition to these outrages and robberies, the centurions arrived at the prices and began to demand the supply of recruits and the payment of a monetary tax.

Here is how Publius Cornelius Tacitus wrote about it*, who is one of the reliable ancient historians describing the life and rebellion of Boudica, in his Annals:

“His kingdom was plundered by centurions, his house by slaves, as if they were spoils of war. First, his wife Boudicaea was scourged (flogged) and his daughters dishonored. All the leaders of the Iceni, as if Rome had received the whole country as a gift, were deprived of their ancestral possessions, and the king's relatives were turned into slaves ... "

Boudica - female warrior


After the Roman massacre of Boudica and her daughters, the Iceni began colluding with neighboring tribes such as the powerful Trinovantes.*, and others, after which Boudica, who had good organizational and oratorical skills, was chosen by the tribal nobility to lead this united uprising.

Such cruel and thoughtless actions of the Roman authorities turned a willing ally of Rome into an irreconcilable enemy and kindled a flame of indignation in the scattered and warring Celtic tribes, which cost the lives of more than a hundred thousand people and almost deprived the Romans of their support in Britain.

Boudica's revenge was well planned and just as ruthlessly executed. She traveled around all the tribes in a chariot with her daughters standing in front of her, after which she managed to create a large alliance of the tribes dissatisfied with Rome, then she waited until all the Roman legions under the command of the praetor and governor of Britain, Gaius Suetonius Paulinus, were far away on the coast of Wells, destroying and suppressing the last stronghold of the druid priests on the Isle of Anglesey*. This circumstance favored the revolt of the British tribes, which meant that for some time the rebels would not meet any serious resistance from the Roman troops.

Note. During the Second World War in 1942, during the construction of a military airfield on the Welsh island of Anglesey, builders discovered many artifacts that were donations to the sanctuary of the Druids, which were brought by pilgrims from all over Britain for more than two centuries ...

In his Annals, Tacitus reproduced the speeches of Boudica as follows:

“We British are accustomed to female commanders in war. I come from powerful people! But now I'm not fighting for my kingdom and wealth. I fight like an ordinary person for my lost freedom, my wounded body and my abused daughters.”

At the same time, she clutched a spear when she spoke to her people.

Then, with cold-blooded efficiency, she struck back. With a huge army of rebels, numbering about 120 of their fellow tribesmen, she rampaged throughout eastern Britain, killing the Romans and setting fire to their settlements, heading for the main symbol of Roman occupation - Camulodunum (modern Colchester), once the former capital of the Trinovante tribe.


Trinovante Coin

Destruction of Camulodunum


Finally, the rebels approached the main city of Roman Britain - Camulodunum. The inhabitants of Camulodunum urgently sent messengers to the procurator Catus Decinius, begging the procurator to send reinforcements to help fight off the rampaging mob of rebels. The city was besieged, and the troops sent to the aid of the Roman procurator Catus Decinius, in the amount of two hundred people, from the urgently assembled militias, were easily defeated. The ill-prepared inhabitants of Camulodunum, consisting mainly of retired soldiers and their families, managed to hold out for two days.


Fight in the city (Colchester) of the rebels of Boudica with the defenders of the city, who are trying to protect the temple. Illustration by Peter Dennis

Two days later, the city, which could not withstand the siege of an angry crowd of rebels, fell and was completely looted and demolished. Legate Quintus Petillius Cerialus, commander of the Ninth Legion (the only one left) after the army of Gaius Suetonius Paulinus left for Wales, made an attempt to drive the rebels out of the city, but was defeated and forced to flee to Gaul with the rest of his legion.


Balkern Gate. The XNUMXst century Roman gate at Camulodunum is the largest surviving gate in Roman Britain.

The enraged army of Boudica broke into Camulodunum, methodically destroying everything in its path. They did not even spare the bronze statue of Emperor Nero, which most likely stood in front of the very temple of Claudius, which was defeated and beheaded, and the head itself was taken as a trophy.


City walls of Camulodunum, XNUMXst century. Modern look

The surviving inhabitants of Camulodunum retreated to the Temple of Claudius* (built between 49-60), where for two more days they hid behind its thick walls, listening to the sounds of carnage and destruction of the city outside, when Boudica and her followers plundered and destroyed the city and finally, having reached them, burned this one too temple. After almost two thousand years, now we can only guess about the agony that thousands of unfortunate Roman colonists experienced when the acrid smoke of conflagrations and the scorching fire of Boudica's revenge crept up to them. Modern archaeological excavations have confirmed the widespread destruction of the city, where they found layers of reddish-brown ash, fragments of Roman pottery, which archaeologists soon called the “Boudica layer” ...

It should be noted here that the Roman veterans and other settlers not only mistreated the local Celtic tribes, but also forced them to pay for the construction of the temple of Claudius, the already deceased emperor, during whose reign the Romans conquered Britain. Thus, Camulodunum became the center of particular resentment of the rebels.

In addition, the trinovants suffered greatly from the insulting arrogance of the Roman veteran colonists in their once own capital, Camulodunum, and the occupying Roman colonists looked at the lands of the conquered trinovants as if they were their own lands, inherited by the right of conquest (agri-captivi).

Here is what Tacitus writes about it:

“They threw the Trenovants out of their dwellings, drove them from the fields, called them captives and slaves. The Roman soldiers indulged the willfulness of the veterans both because of the similarity in lifestyle and in the hope that they would be allowed the same.

Boudica's treatment of her enemies was cruel, and she apparently frightened the Romans terribly with her cruel treatment. The historian Cassius Dio reports in detail about the revenge of Boudica for the desecrated honor of her daughters.*:

“Those who were captured by the Britons were subjected to all kinds of reproach. They hung the most noble and eminent women naked, then cut off their breasts and sewed them to their mouths, so that it seemed as if the victims were eating them; after that, they impaled the women on sharp stakes, which pierced them through the entire length of the body. They did all this, accompanied by sacrifices, feasting and debauchery in all their sacred places, but especially in the Andate grove.

Destruction of Londinium


Boudica's next target was the city of Londinium (modern London). Founded on the banks of the River Thames immediately after the Roman conquest in 43 AD. BC, Londinium in a short time became a thriving trading center, which is a settlement of wholesalers and became an important staging post in the network of trade and cultural relations in this new Roman province.


City wall of Londinium

When the rebel forces of Boudica rushed to Londinium, Gaius Suetonius Paulinus completed his victorious campaign on the island of Anglesey and moved towards Londinium, hoping to save the city.

But upon arrival, he realized that it would be impossible to defend the city and, taking with him those who wished to leave the city, he headed north, leaving Londinium at the mercy of the enraged soldiers of Boudica. Here is what Tacitus writes in his Annals:

“Neither the pleas, nor the tears of the townspeople who appealed to him for help, shook his determination, and he gave the signal to start, taking with him on the campaign those who wished to accompany him; those who were deterred from doing so by gender, or advanced age, or the attractiveness of the place, were exterminated by the enemies.”

Breaking into the city, they set fire to all the buildings and massacred the remaining inhabitants there, all those who did not want to evacuate. Archaeological excavations carried out in our time have shown that destruction has even extended to the suburbs of the city on the south bank of the River Thames.

Destruction of Verulamium


After the complete destruction of Londinium, the same fate befell the municipality of Verulamium (Verulamium), located 30 kilometers north of London (modern St. Albans, Hertfordshire) and experienced the wrath of Boudikka's revenge when the rebel army attacked him. In the case of Verulamium, archaeological evidence is limited and the full extent of the destruction is not clear.


Remains of the fortress wall of Verulamium

Note. Verulamium was the tribal capital and chief city of the Catuvellaun tribe.*many of whom were among the rebels.


Remains of the fortress wall of Verulamium

inevitable collision


While Boudica's army was destroying Londinium and Verulamium, Suetonius was gathering troops - the Ninth Legion had previously been defeated by Boudica's troops and was unable to fight. Nevertheless, Suetonius was still able to assemble an army of about 10 thousand people, and several auxiliary units with which it was possible to resist the army of Boudica, which was several times superior to the forces of Suetonius (some sources give a figure of 230 thousand). However, unlike the army Boudiki, the Roman legionaries were well trained, equipped and battle-hardened.


Celtic copper helmet 50–150 AD

The exact location of the battle between the army of Boudica and the Roman legions of Suetonius is unknown. Sources describe the battlefield as being inside a gorge and mention a forest behind the Roman positions. The battlefield is traditionally thought to have been located along a newly built Roman road in the West Midlands known as Watling Street.

Before giving the order to attack, Boudica, with her two daughters in front, rode through the ranks in her chariot and addressed her warriors:

“Look around and see how many of us there are. Take a look at the demonstration of our martial spirit and think about the motives for which we draw our vengeful sword. In this place we must either win or die with glory.”

Battle and death of Boudica


The Roman legionaries, as was customary, were drawn up in the very center in a tight formation in three lines, with lightly armed infantry, consisting of auxiliaries, on either side of them, and on the outermost flanks the cavalry was located. Before the decisive battle, Suetonius addressed his soldiers:

“Keep your ranks, fire your spears, charge at close range, and cut through with your swords. Pursue the vanquished and never think of booty or plunder."

And when the screeching crowd of the rebels tried to attack the enemy, the Roman legions rushed at the army of Boudica in a wedge-shaped column and upset the ranks of the rebels, then the lightly armed infantry from the auxiliary troops did the same, but finally the cavalry, which rushed to the scattered and disorderly crowd with advanced spears - broke through everyone who offered strong resistance. Here is how Tacitus describes it:

“The rebels tried to flee, but the flight proved difficult because the surrounding wagons blocked the path of retreat. The Romans slaughtered everyone they could, even killing the animals that the rebels used to transport their supplies."

Enraged by the destruction of so many cities and the cruel death of so many Roman civilians, the soldiers of Suetonius did not give any mercy to men, women, children, or even animals ...

After the end of the battle, Boudica died, but by what death she died, the sources differ. According to Tacitus, she took poison to avoid being captured and to face inevitable humiliation there, and Cassius Dio claims that she died of an illness (probably from a wound). She was buried by her loyal people in a secret location that some researchers claim is now deep under the tenth platform of King's Cross Station.

Aftermath of the rebellion


The result of the Baudica uprising was that the territory of the Iceni people was devastated, and most of the province completely came under the rule of the military, who were instructed by the Roman emperor Nero to begin repressions against most of the population of Britain, and then, fearing that the repressions undertaken by Suetonius would provoke a new uprising recalled him from his post.

Here is how the British writer David Mattingly describes the aftermath of this rebellion in his work The Imperial Domain: Britain in the Roman Empire:

“The ruler of Britain, Gaius Suetonius Paulinus, again set about re-subjugating the previously conquered territories with fire and sword, and this extended not only to the most hostile to Rome peoples who fought under the banner of Boudica,
but even on those who simply remained loyal.”

After this “pacification”, Britain remained part of the Roman Empire until the fifth century (410) AD, when the Roman Empire staggered under the onslaught of the Germanic barbarians.

Although Boudica's rebellion did not last long, the crisis caused by this rebellion prompted Emperor Nero to consider withdrawing Roman troops from the island, but the victory of Suetonius' legions ensured Roman control of the province.

"On a number of occasions I think that the Roman emperors considered abandoning their occupation here, one certainly in the context of the Boudice revolt, when Nero must have wondered if the province was worth the effort to hold on to."

This is how the British writer Simon Elliott, author of the book Roman Conquests: Britain, described the views of the island province.

Driving the Romans off the island may well have been the ultimate goal of the Celts, who, according to some researchers, drew inspiration from the German victory in the Teutoburg Forest.* under the leadership of Arminius Germanus. But Suetonius' victory was enough to secure Roman control of the province. But even after this victory, the Romans had many years of stubborn military campaigns, but they never managed to completely subjugate the island of Britain.

It should be noted here that for the deeply patriarchal Roman society, the fact that a barbarian woman managed to exterminate so many civilized Romans was considered a very strong blow.

“Two cities were sacked, eighty thousand Romans and their allies perished, and the island was lost to Rome. In addition, all this ruin was brought on the Romans by a woman, which in itself caused them the greatest shame.

Cassius Dio wrote in his Roman History.

Note. The Roman procurator Catus Decianus, whose actions provoked the revolt, fled to Gaul, was relieved of his post and replaced by Gaius Julius Alpinus Classicianus. Surprisingly, there is no record of what became of Boudica's two daughters. And the further fate of the suspended Gaius Suetonius Paulinus is unknown...

Boudica's legacy today


After all the victories won over the Romans, Boudica's rebellion ultimately failed. And although the memory of Boudica faded over time, nevertheless, thanks to the chronicles of Tacitus and Dion that have come down to us, it was rediscovered in the Renaissance, led to the restoration of the legendary glory of Boudica already in the era of Queen Victoria and has never been completely forgotten even to this day. . And in today's Britain, the Iceni "queen" has become something of a modern-day heroine, one of the most iconic women in all of world history and one of the most enigmatic figures of Roman rule in these lands.


Monument to Boudica, unveiled in 1902

Today in the UK there are permanent exhibitions of Boudica in some of England's most important museums such as the British Museum, Colchester Castle Museum and the Verulamium Museum. For hikers and hikers, there is even a 36-mile (58-kilometer) hiking trail called the Boudica Way that winds its way through the picturesque Norfolk countryside.


Tourist route "Way of Boudica". Passes between the city of Norwich and Diss, roughly parallel to the old Roman road

In 1902, immediately after the death of Queen Victoria, a monument to Baudica was unveiled near Westminster Bridge in London, where she, standing on her war chariot drawn by two horses, and with her two daughters, with a spear clutched in her hand, is ready to fight with all the might of Rome. ...

Information


*And prices. One of the tribes of the Celtic group that lived in ancient Britain and inhabited one of the southeastern regions of the island (modern Norfolk and Suffolk). The Iceni at the time of the Roman invasion were a wealthy people, as evidenced by the found hoards of precious metals, such as a hoard of gold coins (Air Force report in 2011).

*Publius Cornelius Tacitus (c. 55 - c. 120). Ancient Roman senator and historian, one of the most famous writers of Antiquity, author of two major historical works - "History" and "Annals". The Annals (Ab excessu divi Augusti) describe events from the death of Octavian Augustus to the end of the Julio-Claudian dynasty (from 14 AD to 68 AD).

*Trinovants. One of the tribes of the Celtic group in pre-Roman Britain, inhabiting the territory on the north side of the Thames (modern Essex), including the lands now located in Greater London. The Trinovantes were considered the most powerful tribe in Britain. In 60, they joined the anti-Roman uprising of Boudica, after the suppression of which the Trinovantes no longer appear in history. Before the arrival of the Romans on the island, they minted their own coin.

*Anglesey. The island, with an area of ​​714 sq. km, located in North Wales and separated from the rest of Wales by a shallow and narrow strait. Before the Roman invasion of Britain, this island was considered sacred to the Druid priests.

*Temple of Claudius (lat. Templum Divi Claudii). The main building of the temple was built between 49 and 60 years, it was the largest temple in Roman Britain. The temple was one of the main public buildings in the city, and its façade and grounds were added and expanded over time. Today this temple forms the basis of the Norman castle in Colchester.

* Cassius Dio (between 155 and 164–230). Roman consul and historian, author of the "Roman History" that has come down to us in 80 books, covering the history from the arrival of the hero of the Trojan War Aeneas in Italy until the time of the last Roman emperor from the Severan dynasty - Alexander Severus (r. 222-235).

*Catuvellauns. One of the Celtic tribes in Britain belonging to the group of peoples of the Belgians. They lived north of the Thames in what is now Essex and Middlesex. Before the Roman invasion, the Catuvellaunians were engaged in agriculture, had a prosperous economy and minted their own coinage. After the proclamation of Verulamium as a municipality, many Catuvellaunians received Roman citizenship and began to quickly Romanize.

*King's Cross Station. Railway station in central London. Built in 1852 on the site of a monument to the English monarch George IV. According to legend, this station was built on the site of the last battle of the legendary Celtic leader Boudica, and her body was buried under one of the station platforms. A few minutes from the station is the British Library. Literally, the name of this station is translated as "crossroads of kings."

* German victory in the Teutoburg Forest. The battle that took place in September 9 between the Germanic tribes and the Roman legions. The leader of the Germanic tribe, Arminius, lured the Roman legions into the forest by cunning and defeated them with a sudden blow. All three Roman legions perished, including the commander Quintilius Varus.

References:
1. Publius Cornelius Tacitus. "Annals". Book XIV [Events 59-62 years. n. e.].
2. N. S. Shirokova. "British resistance in the war with Rome after the campaign of Claudius".
3. A. V. Rechkin. "The Queen of the Iron Age against Rome".
4. Richard Hingley, Christina Unwin. Boudica: Iron Age Warrior Queen.
5. Simon Elliot. Roman Conquests: Britannia.
6. David Mattingly. An Imperial Possession: Britain in the Roman Empire.
7. Freire Sheppard. Britannia: a history of Roman Britain.
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  1. +20
    8 March 2023 04: 29
    I read it in one breath. Great article, thanks.
    1. +16
      8 March 2023 07: 31
      Quote: Comrade
      I read it in one breath. Great article, thanks.

      After reading the title of this work, carefully scrolled through to the end, and only after making sure who the Author was, he began to read!!!
      The article is good, it remains to wish Nikolai creative success !!
      Regards, Vlad!

      R.s. Request from the VO administration. If there is a technical possibility, write the Authors of the papers in the title or announcements of the article.
  2. +14
    8 March 2023 05: 08
    Boudica has become an icon

    the wrath of boodikki's revenge

    Boudica with two daughters

    The result of the Baudica uprising


    Author, don't rush. The article is good.
    1. +14
      8 March 2023 05: 25
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      Boudica
      Boodikki
      Boudicca
      boudiki

      The keyboard is 11 years old. It's time to change ... and the rushwink
      1. +17
        8 March 2023 06: 14
        Quote: Luminman
        It's time to change ... and the rush

        And still it turned out interesting and exciting. Thank you!
        Good morning everyone! And?
        1. +17
          8 March 2023 08: 05
          Let me join!
          Since March 8, all Ladies "VO"!
      2. +11
        8 March 2023 07: 20
        Our boys said: "Hurry, you need it for indigestion, so that your pants don't get dirty
        1. +12
          8 March 2023 07: 53
          Quote: vladcub
          hurry, needed for indigestion, so that your pants do not get dirty

          You speak with such skill as if your pants are still showing like film... wink
        2. +9
          8 March 2023 15: 22
          Quote: vladcub
          Our boys said: "hurry, you need it when

          1) catching fleas
          2) love with someone else's wife
          3) despite what you said
          feel
      3. +14
        8 March 2023 07: 37
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        Boudica
        Boodikki
        Boudicca
        boudiki

        The keyboard is 11 years old. It's time to change ... and the rushwink

        Who does not work, he is not mistaken.
        This is me as the most important “double in Russian” in VO writing!
        1. +17
          8 March 2023 08: 02
          Like mouth rosy without a smile,
          No grammatical error
          I do not like Russian speech.
          Perhaps to my misfortune.
          1. +17
            8 March 2023 08: 08
            Quote: not the one
            No grammatical error
            I don't like Russian language

            Grammar errors are my unique way of conveying information ©
            I don't remember whose quote...
            1. +2
              9 March 2023 10: 32
              Quote: Luminman
              Grammar errors are my unique way of conveying information ©
              I don't remember whose quote...

              It's not just a quote, it's a fact. Changing endings when writing is both a symptom and a blessing. But in any case, this is not static and conservatism.
              This is typical for creative people - people without certain prejudices.
              And such people can also find certain patterns in the material and in events of different times. Unlike those who see only "grammatical errors".
              For example, the uprising of B. Khmelnitsky (litmus example) has many parallels with your topic.
              Good luck.
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          +13
          8 March 2023 08: 36
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Quote: Luminman
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          Boudica
          Boodikki
          Boudicca
          boudiki

          The keyboard is 11 years old. It's time to change ... and the rushwink

          Who does not work, he is not mistaken.

          hi Good morning, Vladislav. It is noteworthy that all spellings - valid as a transcription from Boadicea - are Latin or Celtic Boudic(c)a... smile
        3. +6
          8 March 2023 08: 44
          This is me as the most important “double in Russian” in VO writing!
          Only when you write from the phone.)))
          Hello, Vlad!
          1. +6
            8 March 2023 10: 38
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            This is me as the most important “double in Russian” in VO writing!
            Only when you write from the phone.)))
            Hello, Vlad!

            Hello Anton! Alas, it is sad that I almost always write from the phone !!!
      4. +16
        8 March 2023 08: 46
        Here you go. They attacked Kuntsev - imagine, reading about Boudicca a long time ago, I read "Prosultang", not Prosultag, and sincerely I was sure that I was reading correctly.
        And only now I suddenly realized that my inner hearing led me to use the familiar stamp "skltan", but it actually sounds different.
        By the way, doesn't the double "K" mean not the separate pronunciation of two "K"s - like this: BoudiK ... Ka - but the energetic pronunciation of the previous "I"?
        Like this: Boudica.

        Well, I reported wassat )))
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        1. +14
          8 March 2023 08: 59
          Ooo! Finally! Glad to see you.
          Quote: depressant
          Well, I reported)))

          This is not scary!
          My most sincere, best wishes to you, dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
          Happy Holiday !!! love
          1. +14
            8 March 2023 09: 56
            Happy Holiday !!!

            And you also with the same, Sergey Vladimirovich! )))
            I found a mistake in my previous comment - ha ha ha! This is how to print - not with a glass in hand, but with a cigarette! wassat )))
            I suspect that moderate use of alcohol enlightens the brain and sharpens eyesight, and tobacco smoke, consumed immoderately, destroys both ...
            That I am excessively cheerful when I should be sad - both from the tragic image of the glorified heroine, and from the realities of life.
            1. +2
              9 March 2023 08: 04
              Quote: depressant
              And you also with the same, Sergey Vladimirovich! )))

              Me with what??? I'm the right one. laughing Suddenly.
              Good morning Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
          2. +16
            8 March 2023 11: 55
            My most sincere, best wishes to you, dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
            I would like to add my personal congratulations.
            With warmth! With hope! With mimosas!
            Happy spring holiday!
            Let your eyes shine with stars
            And forever be in love!

            We do not write poetry only for ourselves. We are talking to you
            let somewhere clumsily (High style
            yet not about us)
            But the main -
            so that the heart hurts, The soul responded with consonance.
            1. +5
              8 March 2023 21: 43
              The soul responded with a consonance.

              You are a good soul, not that one.
              For me, you are always the right one, thanks for the congratulations! )))
              I read it in the afternoon, something forced me to respond late with gratitude.
              Here I am making up for a lost opportunity. hi )))
              1. +3
                9 March 2023 08: 05
                Quote: depressant
                You are always the right one, thanks for the congratulations! )))

                Beautifully said! Accurately! hi
        2. +15
          8 March 2023 09: 00
          Quote: depressant
          By the way, doesn't the double "K" mean not the separate pronunciation of two "K"s - like this: BoudiK ... Ka - but the energetic pronunciation of the previous "I"?
          Like this: Boudica.

          The thing is, we don't know how the insular Celtic languages ​​sounded. In Russian-language literature, Boudika and Baudika are also found. In English-language literature they write as through сand through к. I wouldn't be too surprised if I saw the spelling of Bowdicka...
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        3. +9
          8 March 2023 14: 12
          Like this: Boudica.

          In a stressed syllable, the combination ou is transliterated as both ou and au. It is extremely difficult to determine which is correct in this case.
          1. +6
            8 March 2023 16: 57
            Quote: sergej_84
            In a stressed syllable, the combination ou is transliterated as both ou and au. It is extremely difficult to determine which is correct in this case.

            In English, stress is usually placed on the first syllable. Bоudik. And how it was with the Celts, no one knows, even Tacitus ...
        4. +2
          8 March 2023 21: 00
          Here you go. They attacked Kuntsev
          No one attacked him! It just seems that the author of the articles and the forum member are two different people ...
          Meanwhile, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, accept congratulations on the Holiday from your main critic!
          1. +2
            8 March 2023 21: 38
            Meanwhile, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, accept congratulations on the Holiday from your main critic!


            Thanks Anton! )))
            Yes, I somehow don’t consider you my critic, it would be something to criticize - unlike you, I’m not a historian, so I’m interested. I perceive your rare remarks as funny hints to start a substantive conversation, but I, how can I say this, get tired, or something ... From the oppressive winter, tension in society ...
            In general, I'm not a debater)))
            Thank you again for your congratulations.
            1. +2
              8 March 2023 22: 07
              unlike you, I'm not a historian
              Me too, I'm a builder. The historians here can be counted on one hand and the professionalism of most of them requires comments from advanced amateurs.
      5. +8
        8 March 2023 10: 56
        In addition, the Romans began to treat the iceni horribly, with Boudica herself and her two daughters - she was publicly scourged, and her daughters were raped.

        The immediate cause of this, according to Publius Cornelius Tacitus, was Boudica's refusal to disarm the Iceni as ordered by Cata Decianus. As a result, the weapons of the Iceni were confiscated, and she and her family were subjected to demonstrative abuse.
        1. +7
          8 March 2023 11: 16
          In the same Annals of Tacitus, it is described how Boudica obtained weapons, she alone appeared to the eternal rivals of the Iceni, the Trinovantes, and demanded that their weapons be handed over to the Iceni. The leaders of the trinovants were furious, and then Boudica told them:
          Why do you need your swords when you, like the last cowards, are afraid to raise them against Rome - for our land and customs. Give them to us and the prices will do it for you. It is better to have a hundred brave men under your spear than a thousand cowards.
          The Trinovates were ashamed and became, together with the Iceni, the backbone of Boudica's army.
          1. +9
            8 March 2023 11: 43
            Quote: Richard
            The Trinovates were ashamed and became, together with the Iceni, the backbone of Boudica's army.

            Trinovates were different - urban and rural. In Camulodunum, their former capital, they were almost romanized...
            1. +10
              8 March 2023 12: 27
              In 49, when there was another invasion of Britain under the control of Emperor Claudius, the Trinovantes became allies of the Romans. In "gratitude" for this, their ancient capital - the city of Camulodunum (modern Colchester) passed from the hands of the Trinovants to the Romans and became the capital of Roman Britain. The same Tacitus points to this as the main reason for the dissatisfaction of the trinovates and their accession in 60 to the tribe of the Iceni, who, led by the widow of Prasutag, Boudicca, raised an uprising
              PS. It's nice when the Author takes part in the comments. Thank you for the article, Luminman
              1. +8
                8 March 2023 12: 46
                Boudica warriors


                a photo modern reconstruction

                1. +13
                  8 March 2023 13: 04
                  Quote: Richard
                  Boudica warriors

                  According to the chronicles, most of Boudica's troops were armed with agricultural implements - pitchforks and threshers. Your illustrations are just the fantasies of artists...
                  1. +5
                    8 March 2023 13: 14
                    interesting, but what holds the reenactor over the shield is similar to agricultural implements? Your opinion?
                    1. +8
                      8 March 2023 13: 24
                      Quote: Richard
                      looks like farm equipment?

                      If you are talking about the last photo, then something like a sickle. But, I’ll make a reservation right away that I’m not strong in antique weapons ...
                    2. +9
                      8 March 2023 14: 52
                      and what holds the reenactor over the shield

                      Romfaya-romfaya. Although the region is completely different.
                      It’s too lazy to google the picture from Osprey above, but the rider is clearly a Gaul in the Roman service - a Roman saddle
                      Threat more precisely say the saddle "Roman". I wrote about him and analyzed the reliefs of Glanum. It's just a problem that the Britons don't seem to mention cavalry. Only chariots. Therefore, the continental Gaul is suitable, but the Briton is no longer
                      The guy below is authentic enough at first glance. A large sword, a small shield - everything agrees with the description of Tacitus in Agricola's biography.
                      PS painted with woad
                    3. +4
                      8 March 2023 19: 32
                      Quote: Richard
                      looks like farm equipment

                      This is a sickle-shaped weapon from ancient Dacia.
                      Short, dagger type - Sika.
                      Long sword type - Falx dakika.
                      Some believe that they are descended from the sickle and scythe.
                      Others are from Greek or Egyptian blades
                      1. +1
                        8 March 2023 19: 43
                        Egyptian blades
                        The khopesh has a sharpening on the other side of the bend.
                        But in general, Michael, you managed to surprise me!
                      2. Fat
                        +2
                        8 March 2023 22: 58
                        Most modern researchers believe that the sharpening of the khopesh was double - both from the outside and from the inside.
                        Hello Anton
                      3. +1
                        8 March 2023 23: 35
                        Hello Borisych!
                        For a double sharpening of a blade of such an original, in shape, canoes, there must be an original fighting technique.
                        Is it described anywhere?
                      4. Fat
                        +2
                        9 March 2023 07: 30
                        Khopesh became widespread in the new kingdom during the 18th dynasty, from about 1300 BC. It is known that fencing schools existed in Egypt. Khopesh fencing is a difficult event (the weapon weighs about 2 kg). Some khopesh, in addition to the bend, had a hook, it can be assumed to deprive the enemy of a shield, others allowed them to deliver a stabbing blow, others, without sharpening at all, were ceremonial. It was mainly the palace guards and, possibly, the Medjais who armed the khopesh. This is perhaps all.
                        Description of the original combat technique was not found.
                        (This does not prevent the reenactors laughing )
                        Perhaps, in terms of the technique of "work", khopesh is close to the Ethiopian shotel.
                      5. +1
                        9 March 2023 09: 13
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Egyptian blades

                        I was wrong.
                        Prototypes are considered
                        Romfeya - Thracian two-handed sword
                        Falcata - sword in pre-Roman Spain

                        It's a falcata
                      6. +1
                        9 March 2023 09: 18
                        Falx dacica
                        He was called "the storm of the Roman legionnaires",
                        since during the first campaign of Trajan against Dacia, the Roman soldiers suffered huge human losses.
                        Before the second invasion of Dacia, they were forced to upgrade the equipment of their warriors in order to minimize losses.





                      7. +2
                        8 March 2023 20: 28
                        Quote: Mister X
                        This is a sickle-shaped weapon from ancient Dacia.

                        It’s just not clear how to fight with such weapons?
                      8. +2
                        9 March 2023 10: 28
                        Quote: Luminman
                        how to fight with such a weapon?

                        Inflicted slashing blows
                        When swinging, the warrior was fully opened
                        I posted some pictures above.
                        .
                  2. +5
                    8 March 2023 14: 54
                    Boudiki was armed with agricultural implements - pitchforks and threshers. Your illustrations are just the fantasies of artists...

                    "Chronicles" does not write anything like that. Tacitus writes only that all combat-ready men were armed and mentions swords. Cassius generally points out that the Britons gave a regular battle and had light infantry, heavy infantry and chariots.
                    1. +5
                      8 March 2023 17: 06
                      Quote: Engineer
                      Tacitus writes only that all combat-ready men were armed and mentions swords

                      Not everyone was armed with real weapons - there was simply nowhere to get such an amount from. Slingshots, some kind of threshers and sticks with a metal tip, called spears - some part of the army was armed with this. Why is this not a weapon? Seems taken from me Britishbut not published in the article...

                      Quote: Engineer
                      the Britons gave a proper battle and had light infantry, heavy infantry and chariots

                      The Celts gathered in a dense layer in a narrow gorge, like sheep in a pasture, and even dragged carts with their wives and children so that they could admire the victory over Rome ... What is right here? wink
                      1. -1
                        8 March 2023 17: 24
                        Slingshots, some kind of threshers and sticks with a metal tip, called spears - some part of the army was armed with this. Why is this not a weapon?

                        This is your gag.
                        Seems taken by me from britannica, but not published in the article...

                        Okay, at least not from Brockhaus and Efron
                        The Celts gathered in a dense layer in a narrow gorge, like sheep in a pasture, and even dragged carts with their wives and children so that they could admire the victory over Rome ... What is right here?

                        You should at least read the source. Specifically, Cassius gives such a description.
                        https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/62*.html#ref8
                        Their struggle took many forms. Light-armed troops exchanged missiles with light-armed, heavy-armed were opposed to heavy-armed, cavalry clashed with cavalry,
                      2. +5
                        8 March 2023 17: 31
                        Quote: Engineer
                        Specifically, Cassius gives this description

                        Does he give it in English?
                      3. 0
                        8 March 2023 17: 35
                        Does he give it in English?

                        No problem, sort it out in Latin, since such a linguist
                      4. +5
                        8 March 2023 17: 44
                        Quote: Engineer
                        disassemble in Latin, since such a linguist

                        This is just a small piece taken out of context by you. Where are the carts with families? Where is the frantic and disorganized crowd of Celts attacking the columns of the Romans? Finally, there are other sources - Tacitus, for example. Or modern researchers who rely on modern data from archeology and linguistics when studying texts?
                      5. -1
                        8 March 2023 17: 56
                        This is just a small piece taken out of context by you. Where are the carts with families?

                        Behind the battle line, as it should be. They were not part of the battle order.
                        Where is the frantic and disorganized crowd of Celts attacking the columns of the Romans?

                        In your imagination. Tacitus and Cassius do not have this.
                        Or modern researchers who rely on modern data from archeology and linguistics when studying texts?

                        For example, who is this? Are not those whom you indicated in the list of references?
                      6. +3
                        8 March 2023 20: 09
                        Quote: Engineer
                        Behind the battle line, as it should be. They were not part of the battle order.

                        Better tell me how the Britons gave a proper battle... wink
                      7. 0
                        8 March 2023 20: 16
                        Why merge with a completely childish one. I cited the testimony of Cassius.
                        If we talk about my vision of the battle, then it does not exist. Cassius and Tacitus contradict each other and I believe that the reconstruction of the battle is impossible.
                        As for the "rabid and unorganized crowd", there is no evidence of this. That's all
                      8. +3
                        8 March 2023 20: 24
                        Quote: Engineer
                        I brought the testimony of Cassius

                        This "witness" lived a hundred years later...

                        Quote: Engineer
                        If we talk about my vision of the battle, then it is not

                        Agree. It was a simple "beating of babies" when the organized Roman legions in a narrow gorge drove the unorganized crowd with dirty rags ...

                        Quote: Engineer
                        As for the "frantic and unorganized crowd", there is no evidence of this

                        A classic Celtic tactic is to attack in a disorganized mob. That is how they fought Caesar in Gaul...
                      9. -1
                        8 March 2023 20: 32
                        This "witness" lived a hundred years later...

                        This "witness" is nevertheless considered by professional historians to be a quite relevant source, based on a slightly different historical tradition than Tacitus.
                        Agree. It was a simple "beating of babies" when the organized Roman legions in a narrow gorge drove the unorganized crowd with dirty rags ...

                        There were no arguments and no. And it won't. The funny thing is that even Tacitus writes about "detachments", and not about the general mass-crowd.
                        A classic Celtic tactic is to attack in a disorganized mob.

                        Decided to increase the degree of nonsense? The tactics of the Celts were different.
                        For example this
                        The Celts placed the Alpine Gesats behind, from where they were waiting for the attack of Aemilius, and placed the Insombres near them. In the front ranks were placed the Taurisks and the battles living on this side of the Pad, which, thus, had the troops mentioned above in the rear, and were facing the army of Gaius, whose attacks were expected; wagons and chariots they placed on the sides of the line at both flanks; they took the booty to one of the nearest mountains and put guards there. This two-sided arrangement of the Celts was not only formidable in appearance, but also very suitable for battle.
                      10. +2
                        9 March 2023 05: 12
                        Quote: Engineer
                        There were no arguments and no. The funny thing is that even Tacitus writes about "detachments", and not about the general mass-crowd.

                        It depends on what he understood by "detachments" - a clear military organization or a crowd of ragamuffins. Translation is a delicate matter...

                        Quote: Engineer
                        Decided to increase the degree of nonsense?

                        This is your first comment that I agree with... wink
  3. +11
    8 March 2023 07: 42
    Based on existing laws
    Prasutag owed Seneca, under this pretext the leader’s treasury was seized. It is not clear what Boudicca hoped for, because from the point of view of military and human resources (unlike the same Germans), the Britons were much inferior to the Romans and their successes in the initial stages were due to surprise and internal turmoil in the empire, hindering the suppression of the uprising. In addition, as practice has shown, even one legion, with proper training, was able to break the ridge of the rebels, while the Romans had much more of them. Of course, the Romans treated her family and some of the Britons horribly, but putting their people on the brink of destruction for the sake of their own ambitions and grievances is rather selfish and frivolous. After all, revenge is a dish that is served cold, because anger does not allow you to soberly assess the circumstances and choose the right path.
    1. +14
      8 March 2023 07: 55
      Quote: parusnik
      Prasutag owed Seneca, under this pretext the leader's treasury was seized

      This is just one of the versions, not supported by anything ...
      1. +10
        8 March 2023 08: 17
        This is just one version
        So what ? But the treasury was seized? As the saying goes: "There was a reason, I baked" (c). It seems that if Prasutag had an heir in the male line, the Romans would have found a reason.
        1. +13
          8 March 2023 08: 24
          Quote: parusnik
          a reason, baked "(c). It seems that if Prasutag had an heir in the male line, the Romans would have found a reason

          In any case, after the death of the leader, the state was inherited by the Roman emperor and the male heir, where this same heir was something like a governor. And the daughters of the leader were not put at all in anything ... So from the point of view of Roman laws, everything was correct. But the public flogging and desecration of daughters is a mystery! Maybe an ordinary inflection of the stick in places far from the eye of the emperor ...
          1. +11
            8 March 2023 08: 34
            So from the point of view of Roman laws, everything was correct.
            Yes, from the point of view of the conquerors, everything is correct, everything is correct. Like the excesses in the field. smile Flogging and violence against members of the royal family, albeit a "local bottling." Well, sooo, the Romans honored the customs and customs of local allies.
    2. +14
      8 March 2023 08: 20
      Of course, the Romans treated her family and some families of the Britons horribly.
      Some? If with some, virtually the entire nation would not have risen in revolt. Even women fought on an equal footing with men, which Tacitus confirms.
      On the shore stood an enemy army in full armor, among which women ran; like furies, in mourning robes, with loose hair, they held burning torches in their hands; the druids who were right there with their hands raised to the sky offered up prayers to the gods and cursed. The novelty of this spectacle shocked our warriors, and they, as if petrified, substituted motionless bodies under the blows raining down on them. Finally, heeding the admonitions of the commander and encouraging each other not to be afraid of this frenzied, half-female army, they rush to the enemy, throw him back and push the resisters into the flames of their own torches.
      1. +16
        8 March 2023 08: 55
        almost all the people would not have risen in revolt

        Not all the people. A lot of tribes - chose not to get involved. If all the British kingdoms had risen, the Romans would have been thrown out without options ..

        It’s just that the icens were apparently unlucky with their neighbors - they came across not very successful Roman governors .. But the rest, who apparently were treated more politely, clearly understood that Rome, for all its shortcomings, is first of all peace in the country. And inter-tribal wars and raids - many have already sat in the liver. Plus - access to imperial trade, imperial laws, a career in the empire, imperial culture - and so on and so forth .. In addition, the Romans, in general, did not get into the affairs of the communities very much, local self-government was a distinctive feature of the Roman Empire. So - for a significant part of the population, the benefits apparently turned out to be more .. It is not for nothing that Britannia has been so successfully romanized in 400 years ..
        1. +13
          8 March 2023 09: 06
          The Romans would have been thrown out without options.
          Is not a fact. Let's compare the numbers of the rebels and the Romans in the last battle. The Britons were stunned when this small Roman stream attacked their raging sea. They were ruined by contempt for a small enemy and self-confidence due to previous easy victories. The desire to gain freedom and the inspiring wives behind the battle turned out to be powerless before the iron Roman discipline, and the number of those fighting no longer mattered.
          1. +9
            8 March 2023 09: 20
            If there were normal leaders, they would switch to the tactics of small battles and actions on communications .. There would not be enough iron legions .. They would simply be pulled apart for vexillations to defend key points. And with a couple of centuries guarding a post on the road - it’s already much easier to deal with than with a legion in the ranks ..

            The same Caratacus - pretty much spoiled Rome with just such a tactic. And if the others supported him, the alignment could be different. But most tribes have decided that Rome is still more profitable than independence.
            1. +12
              8 March 2023 11: 50
              And the Romans at first did not take the natives seriously. The rebellious cities were so easily taken, and that's why
              “Meanwhile, it seemed to the rebels not at all difficult to destroy the colony, which had no fortifications, because our military leaders did not take care of this, thinking more about pleasant than useful. Relying on the temple as an impregnable fortress and meeting opposition in the implementation of reasonable measures from those who were secret accomplices of the rebels, they did not build a rampart and a ditch and did not send women and old people away in order to leave only those who were able to fight with them.
        2. +13
          8 March 2023 09: 11
          Quote: paul3390
          A lot of tribes - chose not to get involved.

          Here, rather, the rural population fought against Rome, because during this short time of colonization, the urban population managed to become Romanized and feel all the benefits of Roman civilization. Not without reason, after the departure of the Roman legions from Britain, they asked them to return and protect them from the invasion of the Anglo-Saxons. The last such request was on the eve of the fall of Rome...
          1. +13
            8 March 2023 09: 26
            No, it looks like against Rome - the class of warriors fought. Well - and their relatives. That is, those who received obvious benefits from the old order, when well-being could be easily improved by stupidly robbing a neighbor ..

            But those whom they robbed - instantly realized that paying taxes to Rome and obeying its laws is a very reasonable price for getting rid of home-grown scumbags .. At least those heroes are like .. How are they in the classics?

            Many of the desperate warriors sailed north from Skåne with Bui and Wagn, where they were unsuccessful in Horundarfjord; others went with Stirbjorn to Uppsala, where they died with him. When the news that few would be able to return reached their native shores, many memorial and laudatory songs were formed, after which prudent people agreed among themselves that what had happened was for the better and now one can hope for more peaceful times. There were times of abundance and prosperity, when such a wonderful harvest of rye was gathered, and the catch of herring was so large that most people could easily feed themselves ..
      2. +11
        8 March 2023 09: 48
        If with some
        And that all the leaders were flogged? And the daughters of all the leaders were raped? Discontent is ripe, the case with Boudica is a reason, especially since Boudica was also the priestess of the goddess of victory Andrasta. She is generally well done, she raised the peasants so that they would stand up for her honor. By the way, none of the men (leaders) dared to raise an uprising or in any other way stand up for her, but she decided to defend her honor and the honor of the scolded daughters. It turned out to be weak for the men.
        1. +15
          8 March 2023 10: 53
          Here, as always, there are nuances. I'm not saying that the Romans acted smart, but - the former ruler bequeathed the kingdom to Rome. And according to Roman law, a woman could not inherit him. By the way - from the same place and the extreme rejection of the personality of Cleopatra by the Romans. Not only is the woman on the throne, she also climbs where she doesn’t hit ..

          Accordingly - and the claims of Boudicca were perceived as, to put it mildly, arrogant and inappropriate. Another thing - it would be possible to solve the issue somehow differently, but the governor - turned out to be a Great Roman chauvinist in the terminal stage .. And - away we go ..
          1. +11
            8 March 2023 11: 45
            But she still made a rustle. Petronius Turpilian, who replaced Suetonius
            "... without irritating the enemies and not disturbed by them, he was in lazy inactivity, to which he appropriated the decent name of the world"
            Then Trebellius Maxim took over the watch, and also tried once again not to mess with the locals
            “He, even less active and completely ignorant in military affairs, kept the province thanks to the peculiar good nature with which he ruled it. The barbarians have already begun to get used to his shortcomings, which are so pleasant for them.
    3. +16
      8 March 2023 08: 40
      even one legion, with proper training, was able to break the back of the rebels, and the Romans had much more of them.

      It's just that Madame, apparently not understanding a damn thing in military affairs, provided the Romans with such an opportunity. Attacking a legion lined up in a narrow place with an untrained, shitty armed crowd head-on is not the best idea, which has been proven. The same Arminius, as a former Roman officer, clearly understood that it was not necessary to do so ..

      As for the success of the uprising - there were chances, there was no correct leader. For the Romans were very pragmatic guys, and the loot was considered good. Britannia was not among the provinces from which you could get decent income, it was not strategically important either. Therefore - if the costs of suppressing the uprising would have exceeded reasonable limits - Rome could have left .. As it left in the XNUMXth century, when hard times came in the empire and it was necessary to save on everything. They just spat - and the legions were brought out. For the defense of provinces, much more critical for survival.

      The same Germany - was not conquered by no means thanks to the valor of the Germans. There simply was nothing to take - what's the point of butting then? The Picts, again, kicked back for the same reason. Well, to hell with Rome Scotland? There is a lot of noise - there is little wool, as the devil used to say when cutting a cat ..
      1. +10
        8 March 2023 08: 53
        Quote: paul3390
        Attacking a legion lined up in a narrow place with an untrained, shitty armed crowd head-on is not the best idea.

        According to some reports, the army of Boudica reached 250 thousand people, one might say the entire male population of southern and eastern Britain. It's like a war with China - every Chinese will spit once and the enemy will drown ..!

        Quote: paul3390
        The same Germany - was not conquered by no means thanks to the valor of the Germans

        But what about the German victory in the Teutoburg Forest in 9 AD? Then Rome was not yet so decrepit and weakened ...
        1. +14
          8 March 2023 09: 12
          Well - about lying about the number of the enemy - it was a charitable deed at all times ..

          As for Arminius - mind you, Rome - didn't try to conquer Germany. He just wanted the border barbarians not to rob across the border. And for this - they regularly had to beat the muzzle. Which, by the way, unfortunately, our noneshnye rulers point blank do not want to understand.

          And the Vara campaign was just such an expedition. To admonish the neighbors, no more. Meaning? There are no cities, no roads, no minerals, no arable land, the climate is vile - what is there to take?? And the maintenance of the garrisons and the army is a very costly business, so it will not be beaten off. In addition, the supply - the farther from the Rhine, the more expensive each cart with grain. And you won’t take much from the locals, because the Papuans. So they spat - the resources of even Rome were not endless.
          1. +14
            8 March 2023 09: 26
            Quote: paul3390
            As for Arminius - note, Rome - did not try to conquer Germany

            Any empire must always expand, but Rome no longer had the strength to go beyond the Rhine - to save her own ...

            Quote: paul3390
            And you won’t take much from the locals, because the Papuans

            Well, they annexed Gaul, and there are also hungry people with bare asses living there ... And from the "Papuans", as you call them, you can also take something - albeit a little, but take ...
            1. +11
              8 March 2023 10: 33

              Well, they annexed Gaul, and there are also hungry people with bare asses living there ... And from the "Papuans", as you call them, you can also take something - albeit a little, but take ...

              Well, conditionally the "wildest" Gauls for the Romans were "Gauls in pants"!!! laughing
              Given that the "civilized" Romans and Greeks did not recognize "pants"! Yuzali togas and tunics.
              However, I'm lying a little, blah, "Shaggy Galiya". Apparently these barbarians also used underwear (trousers)! laughing
              1. +4
                8 March 2023 11: 28
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Well, conditionally the "wildest" Gauls for the Romans were "Gauls in pants"

                I always thought that the Huns brought pants to Europe ...
                1. +11
                  8 March 2023 12: 05
                  I always thought that the Huns brought pants to Europe ...
                  The word "bracca" in Latin came from the Cisalpine Gauls.
                  1. +6
                    8 March 2023 13: 16
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    The word "bracca" in Latin came from the Cisalpine Gauls.

                    So I had bad teachers. Or read the wrong books... wink
                    1. +3
                      8 March 2023 16: 58
                      Quote: Luminman
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      The word "bracca" in Latin came from the Cisalpine Gauls.

                      So I had bad teachers. Or read the wrong books... wink

                      If I am not mistaken in the sequence, the Romans, depending on the distance, conventionally divided the Gauls into three provinces:
                      1. Gaul in togas.
                      2. Gaul in pants.
                      3. Shaggy Gaul.
                2. +7
                  8 March 2023 12: 33
                  Without trousers in the North in winter, it is extremely uncomfortable for Faberge ..
                3. +8
                  8 March 2023 15: 11
                  The Huns brought stockings.. As a detail of a rider's costume. Which in Europa lasted in men's clothing right up to the 19th century .. After that, they inexplicably migrated to the ladies ..
            2. +10
              8 March 2023 11: 00
              Any empire must always expand

              No. Only when it brings benefits, or at least the costs of conquest are repulsed. Otherwise, it's just utter nonsense.

              did they annex Gaul

              Firstly, in Gaul there is a completely different climate, and, accordingly, the level of the economy .. And why do you think the carriers of the magnificent La Tene culture are starving people ??
              Secondly, by that time, Gaul had already had close contact with the Mediterranean civilization for 500 years, the same Phoenicians and Greeks. And they stood at a much more advanced level than the naked German savages .. Look how much the same Caesar looted - he paid all his colossal debts from the Gallic booty, paid for the maintenance of the legions, and even enough to bribe the Senate and distribute nishtyakov to the plebs .. And you you say you are hungry..
              1. +11
                8 March 2023 11: 52
                Quote: paul3390
                Secondly, by that time, Gaul had already been in close contact with the Mediterranean civilization for 500 years ...
                ... And they stood at a much advanced level than the gore savage Germans

                The Gauls, who lived within the borders of the empire and even a little beyond its borders, were civilized people, which cannot be said about the Gauls living far "beyond the Moscow Ring Road" - the same savages as the German barbarians ...
                1. +9
                  8 March 2023 12: 08
                  Again - for some reason you do not want to take into account the most powerful La Tene culture, typically Celtic .. And everywhere Celtic, from Britain to Anatolia. And it cannot be called savage in any way. With all desire. It is quite comparable to the Mediterranean ..
                  1. +7
                    8 March 2023 13: 00
                    Quote: paul3390
                    for some reason you don’t want to take into account the most powerful La Tène culture, typically Celtic .. And everywhere Celtic, from Britain to Anatolia

                    There is no need to compare the Gauls, who were in direct contact with the centers of the then civilization, and the Gauls living somewhere on the coast of the North Sea, far beyond the Rhine...
                    1. +9
                      8 March 2023 13: 22


                      As you can see, it was by no means only in circulation in the Mediterranean .. In addition, the La Tene culture is the direct heir to the Hallstatt era of the early iron, and this is Switzerland and Southern Germany. In addition, Hallstatt is about 900 BC, when not only Rome - there were continuous dark ages in Hellas .. And the Phoenicians - it’s very unlikely that they got to Switzerland ..
                2. +12
                  8 March 2023 12: 26
                  which cannot be said about the Gauls living far "beyond the Moscow Ring Road"

                  For example, the tomb of the "Lady of Viks", about 500 BC. e., a Celtic necropolis already in the north of Burgundy .. Among other things, the largest bronze vessel of antiquity was found there, weighing a kilo under 200 ..



                  A crater of Greek origin, from several parts, assembled on site. Now imagine - HOW MUCH did it cost to make this durynda, drag it to Burgundy and collect it there ?? And you say - poor savages .. In addition, this speaks very well about the then connections of the Celtic leaders - after all, they knew who they could order from with delivery, and for some reason - they needed such a unique product ??
                  1. +6
                    8 March 2023 13: 02
                    Quote: paul3390
                    this speaks very well about the then connections of the Celtic leaders - after all, they knew who they could order from with delivery, and for some reason - they needed such a unique product ??

                    Some leader of the cannibalistic Papuans ordered glass beads or a whistle from white colonists ... How do you like that? Could this be? wink
                    1. +7
                      8 March 2023 13: 13
                      Well - firstly, at that time it was by no means a small bus, but quite a high-tech one. Secondly - the question was about the cost! It's about how a Papuan would order a B-2 bomber now .. Is there anything to pay for? Thirdly, it is full of purely Celtic jewelry, quite world-class in quality. No worse than a Greek crater. And the gold...
                      1. +5
                        8 March 2023 13: 33
                        Quote: paul3390
                        It's about how a Papuan would order a B-2 bomber now .. Is there anything to pay for?

                        The president of an impoverished African country has a government aircraft, a fleet of armored vehicles, several palaces, some of them in France, a collection of gold watches, and so on. At the same time, his people howl at the moon and dance with a tambourine around the fire... Will this answer suit you?

                        Transfer Africa to Gaul. Get the same...
                      2. +5
                        8 March 2023 15: 22
                        No. Doesn't work. Just because you should not be too lazy and google, say, decorations of the La Tene culture - to understand, the analogy is absolutely inappropriate. For its level is certainly no worse than the Mediterranean. I'm already silent about La Tene weapons and armor. What's there - the earliest known chain mail in Europe - exactly what is Celtic .. Until the XNUMXrd century BC - it's still a question who was the Papuan, the Romans or the Celts .. Yes, even the Roman helmet of the so-called imperial type - dran with some additions precisely among the Gauls .. Like Lorica Hamata, and perhaps Scutum too ..
                      3. +6
                        8 March 2023 16: 31
                        You may not even google. I have the international exhibition "Iron Age" completely photographed. Who needs - contact!
                      4. +5
                        8 March 2023 17: 20
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        I have the international exhibition "Iron Age" fully photographed

                        You need a whole server for this house... wink
                      5. +3
                        8 March 2023 17: 46
                        I have everything in my phone. In addition to the aforementioned, there are a dozen more exhibitions.
                      6. +1
                        8 March 2023 17: 19
                        Quote: paul3390
                        the analogy is completely inappropriate

                        Fine! I'll go the other way!
                        Rome left behind a rich literary and architectural heritage, the organization of the army, government, jurisprudence, roads and much more ... And what is the legacy of the Gauls?
                      7. +1
                        8 March 2023 19: 46
                        And what is the legacy of the Gauls?
                        At least pants.
            3. +11
              8 March 2023 15: 12
              Good afternoon.
              I will express my opinion.
              The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest was greatly overestimated. Rome lost three legions there, and a large percentage of the soldiers there were from the locals.
              When Crassus was defeated, out of 7 legions and 4 thousand cavalry, not many were saved.
              And here you can give examples ad infinitum.
              This is another 1 century, not 4, when the Empire crumbled and the loss of 3 legions, a disaster. A little later in the war with Decibalus, the Romans lost armies and nothing, recovered quickly. Trojan proved.
              And somehow the strength was found to keep Dacia for 200 years.
              And about Gaul, during the conquest by Caesar, the Roman army relied entirely on local food resources, which means that agriculture was well developed. The cost of slaves fell several times. Even the value of gold in Rome fell by half after the Gallic War.
              At the triumph of Caesar, the people of Rome were informed that the contribution to the treasury was 65000 talents, not counting other booty. And this is a drop in the ocean of loot, what can I say, if Caesar himself from debtors, as he was before the war, became the richest Roman. And the rest, from the soldier to the legate, also robbed be healthy. And this is all from Gaul. So, the Romans definitely didn’t really need cold and impoverished Germany.
              And the problem of Boudica, I think, was that at the time she could not transfer power over the crowd to the British Venzengeterix, so that he turned the crowd into an army, the ataman could not move away and not get in the way, for which she paid and others along with her Britons. A knowledgeable governor for sure was found.
        2. +5
          8 March 2023 20: 41
          According to some reports, the army of Boudica reached 250 thousand people,
          Well, this zero is clearly assigned here. What matters is not the number of angry, but the number of those who can be controlled in battle, otherwise it's just a crowd with a variety of weapons. It is unlikely that more than 3-4 thousand participated directly in the battles, the rest could only replace the fallen.
      2. +12
        8 March 2023 11: 37
        It's just that Madame, apparently not understanding a damn thing in military affairs, provided the Romans with such an opportunity
        Yes, and Madam was opposed by a very serious uncle
        In 41-42, Suetonius crushed the uprising in Mauritania, and now he decided to gain fame in his new position. Fortunately, there was room for activity - most of the island remained beyond the control of the Romans, and envy of another Roman commander, Corbulo, who had recently conquered Armenia, pushed for desperate actions
        1. +12
          8 March 2023 12: 11
          Yes, the Britons definitely didn’t have commanders with such experience and, most importantly, Roman training ..
    4. +14
      8 March 2023 10: 44
      revenge is a dish that is served cold, because anger does not allow you to soberly assess the circumstances and choose the right path.


      Alexey Anatolyevich, there are such humiliations that turn off the mind, and a person simply cannot live with it any longer. Remember at least Medea!
      Boudica could not live with what was done to her and her daughters and, by virtue of her character and social position, found her way to death. I suppose she knew that she would die, and deliberately went for it. And if so, then let, in her opinion, fellow tribesmen die too - this is such a revenge on everyone. One for what they did to her. Others - for delaying, being scared, not defending, not hindering ...
      When a thin thread of balance between feelings and reason breaks in a person who has power over everyone, he, falling out of reality and filled with hatred for the very concept of "life", is ready to take everyone to the grave, because for him they are involved in his misfortune - everyone . It doesn't matter if it's yours or someone else's.
      It seems to me that this factor can be traced throughout all subsequent centuries.
      1. +11
        8 March 2023 11: 33
        I suppose she knew that she would die, and deliberately went to this
        The Romans also thought
        the rebels did not know either capture, or sale into slavery, or any agreements existing in the war, but hurried to cut, hang, burn, crucify, as if in foreknowledge that retribution would not escape them, and taking revenge in advance
  4. +10
    8 March 2023 07: 53
    She was buried by her loyal people in a secret location that some researchers claim is now deep under the tenth platform of King's Cross railway station.

    I sincerely sympathize with the local cops and railroad security officers, who are probably already tired of chasing various "treasure diggers" after such a revelation !!! laughing
    1. +16
      8 March 2023 08: 01
      Long ago they dug up all these treasures
      Coins from the hoard of the Boudicca uprising.
      1. +7
        8 March 2023 11: 12
        In fact, treasures are still being found!
        In general, the theme of Boudica is also popular in modern numismatics. For example here:

        Five Niue Dollars 2022, a very interesting coin!
        1. +1
          8 March 2023 12: 09
          (luminman): The Trinovantes were considered the most powerful tribe in Britain. In 60, they joined the anti-Roman uprising of Boudica, after the suppression of which the Trinovantes no longer appear in history. Before the arrival of the Romans on the island, they minted their own coin.

          a photo: Trinovante Coin
          1. +2
            8 March 2023 14: 29
            How cute - two minuses and not one objection laughing
            And this picture has an author, a title, and a location.

            But it doesn't seem to matter to the minusers-quieters.
            1. +5
              8 March 2023 17: 23
              Quote: Richard
              And this picture has an author, a title, and a location.

              Initially, this picture was presented at an antique auction, then went "for a walk" throughout the network and eventually ended up in this article... wink
    2. +12
      8 March 2023 08: 03
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      tired of chasing various "treasure diggers" after such a revelation

      In industrialized countries, everything has been dug up and dug up for a long time and you can only find an empty plastic bottle ...
      1. +16
        8 March 2023 08: 41
        You are wrong, colleague. Amateur archeology is a very popular hobby in the UK.
        And I liked the article. Thank you!
        1. +7
          8 March 2023 08: 47
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Amateur archeology is a very popular hobby in the UK.

          Curious, how do you imagine excavations in the very center of London? wink

          Quote: 3x3zsave
          I liked the article

          hi
          1. +8
            8 March 2023 09: 06
            Curious, how do you imagine excavations in the very center of London?
            Exactly the same as in any other densely populated historical place. If it's possible in the center of Barcelona, ​​why not in London?
            But I do not know.
            1. +7
              8 March 2023 09: 15
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Exactly the same as in any other densely populated historical place

              I mean amateur excavations, hobbies...
              1. +8
                8 March 2023 09: 49
                Quote: Luminman
                I mean amateur excavations, hobbies...

                There is a fairly recent English film - "The Dig" (Dig) 2021, based on the real events of excavations on private property, originally by an amateur archaeologist, during which the famous treasure boat and helmet from Sutton Hoo was found. I liked the movie. hi
                1. +7
                  8 March 2023 11: 31
                  Quote: Mihaylov
                  the famous treasure boat and helmet from Sutton Hoo

                  I read something about it. But they dug from the British Museum, and not some black diggers ... wink
              2. +8
                8 March 2023 10: 00
                And amateur ones happen in a different order. And not in London. Conditional 10 amateur archaeologists rent a promising piece of land and go there with metal detectors.
                1. +7
                  8 March 2023 11: 35
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  And amateur ones happen in a different order. And not in London

                  Can't imagine what you can find outside of southern Britain? It was in these territories that all life was in full swing. As in the pre-Roman, in the Roman and post-Roman era. To the north, completely barbarians lived, from which there were no artifacts left ...
                  1. +8
                    8 March 2023 12: 09
                    Some of the foreign comrades threw me a link to a video of such amateur archaeologists, if I find it, I'll post it.
                    1. +1
                      8 March 2023 19: 34
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      link to the video of such amateur archaeologists

                      hi
                      1. +1
                        8 March 2023 19: 59
                        Thank you Michael! Sorry, I don't know how to post videos on the forum.
            2. +2
              8 March 2023 17: 13
              Curious, how do you imagine excavations in the very center of London?

              A tactical nuclear warhead with a high-altitude detonation in the center of this viper. We are waiting for a year. We send bulldozers with dump trucks. Afterwards, let's start excavations. winked
              1. +4
                8 March 2023 20: 01
                Thus, colleague, you will kill my comrade "Bolt Cutter" ...
                1. +2
                  8 March 2023 21: 14
                  You will kill my comrade "Bolt cutter"
                  I'm 45 minutes by metro from the center - my windows won't even fly out. But Pavel will have to learn how to hunt rats in order to provide himself with protein food. Although who will hunt whom is another question. laughing .
                  1. -1
                    8 March 2023 22: 40
                    Yes, I’m not only good at rats - I’ve had a license for weapons for 20 years already .. So - somehow I’ll get squirrels ..
                    1. +1
                      8 March 2023 22: 44
                      I'll get some squirrels.
                      Forests will burn out to zero - and squirrels in cities also shoot well Yes .
          2. +12
            8 March 2023 10: 41
            Quote: Luminman
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Amateur archeology is a very popular hobby in the UK.

            Curious, how do you imagine excavations in the very center of London? wink

            Quote: 3x3zsave
            I liked the article

            hi

            At night, with a preforator!!! wassat
    3. +9
      8 March 2023 14: 00
      to drive various "treasure diggers"
      EVERYTHING is built up there, rolled up in asphalt and poured with concrete. Two stations are almost in the center, so there is no free land there.
      1. +8
        8 March 2023 15: 31
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        EVERYTHING is built up there, rolled up in asphalt and poured with concrete.

        I can assume with a high degree of probability that archaeological excavations, as in all historical centers with modern buildings, are carried out only during construction work. And what are the other options? hi
        1. +6
          8 March 2023 15: 41
          only during construction work.
          That's right - if something is found, the construction is suspended and archaeologists are nominated instead of builders.
  5. Fat
    +14
    8 March 2023 07: 55
    hi Thanks for the article, it was very interesting!
    The paradox is that the image of the "native" warrior who led the uprising against the greatest empire of her time was reinterpreted as a symbol of the British Empire... smile

    Boadicea, queen of the Iceni from Civilization 5
    1. +13
      8 March 2023 08: 01
      Quote: Thick
      the image of the "native" warrior who led the uprising against the greatest empire of her time was reinterpreted as a symbol of the British Empire

      Rather, it was not rethought, but was returned from non-existence. Any country needs its heroes - and the older they are, the more honorable. Just like they remembered Alfred the Great...
    2. +15
      8 March 2023 08: 12
      But I don’t see any paradox. She’s her own, local. And the Roman Empire came, someone else’s.
      1. +17
        8 March 2023 08: 15
        Quote: not the one
        She is her own, local

        The Anglo-Saxons either exterminated all the "here" or drove them out to the continent in Brittany ...
  6. +15
    8 March 2023 08: 09
    Chase the vanquished and never think of booty or plunder
    Yes, right now. It was just necessary to quote further
    After they win, everything will go to them. These words of the commander aroused such enthusiasm, and the old warriors, experienced in campaigns, prepared to throw darts with such dexterity that, confident of a successful outcome, Suetonius gave the signal to start the battle.
  7. +13
    8 March 2023 08: 29
    According to Tacitus, she took poison
    And another person committed suicide when the result of the Battle of Britain became known.
    “The prefect of the camp of the second legion, Penius Postumus, having learned about the successful actions of the soldiers of the fourteenth and twentieth legions, slew himself with a sword, for he deprived his legion of the same glory, having not fulfilled, contrary to the military charter, the order of the commander”
    In general, as you know, "history is written by the victors" .. Everything that we know about this uprising is known from the words of Tacitus and Cassius .. But I would be interested to listen to the "head of the transport department", that is, the opposite side, but alas .. .
    1. +14
      8 March 2023 08: 44
      Quote: not the one
      And I'd be interested to hear...
      ...opposite side

      I would also be interested, but after the settlement of the island by the Anglo-Saxons, there was nothing left of the "opposite side" but memories ...
      1. +12
        8 March 2023 09: 00
        There is such a thing .. And these people forbid us to pick our noses. I just meant all modern "civilized" Europeans.
  8. +13
    8 March 2023 09: 35
    And then I read the article...
    Kuntsev, excellent! good hi )))
    A harmonious, consistent, easily read story about the "everyday life" of the ancient British, and the image of a heroic woman who led her people to death, was highlighted especially tragically.
    1. +12
      8 March 2023 11: 37
      Quote: depressant
      the image of a heroic woman who led her people to death was highlighted especially tragically

      Women's revenge is a terrible thing. Irrational and illogical...
      1. +11
        8 March 2023 11: 53
        Women's revenge is a terrible thing. Irrational and illogical...

        Here, let me smirk.
        Modern history contains unnamed examples in which a man becomes the actor.
        1. +6
          8 March 2023 13: 09
          Quote: depressant
          Modern history contains unnamed examples in which a man becomes the actor.

          This is all from the fact that history is always made by men, therefore, for the most part, they always come out to the fore. And here for how many centuries a woman appeared - and immediately got into such a story ... wink
  9. +16
    8 March 2023 10: 39
    Excellent article about the great warrior. Happy Holidays to all women!
  10. +8
    8 March 2023 11: 58
    Quote: Hunter 2
    five niue dollars 2022

    Strange coin. They something what side to Boudica? Some kind of crocodile or coconut would be better portrayed ... wink
    1. +12
      8 March 2023 12: 09
      Didn't you know? She will be rich. If you believe the Roman historian, Dio Cassius, who described Boudicca before the battle
      the queen was unusually tall, her appearance caused awe, her eyes sparkled with rage, her voice was rough, and luxurious hair cascaded down to her hips; she wore a massive gold necklace and a multicolored tunic fastened with a brooch
      That's what she is.
  11. +7
    8 March 2023 16: 22
    In general, of course, the female revenge of those ancient times was terrible.
    Let me just remind you of a well-known case - the revenge of Princess Olga on the Drevlyans who killed her husband, Prince Igor.

    First, Olga buried 20 people alive. Not satisfied.
    Then she burned another 20 people in the bathhouse - the entire embassy in full force from noble Drevlyans.
    It didn't seem like much!
    With cunning and deceit, she gave 5000 Drevlyans a drink and ordered them to be hacked to death, sound asleep. Hacked! Not enough again.
    And then, as everyone remembers, she promised the Drevlyans that she would stop the attacks if each house paid her 3 doves and 3 sparrows.
    Well, in bewilderment, they collected the required number of birds. And she ordered her people to tie a tow with sulfur to each bird and let it go, so that when they returned home, they would begin to build nests. Obviously, many birds began to do this either on the chimneys, or on the roofs nearby. The flying sparks ignited the sulfur, and the fire burned the city to the ground.

    These Drevlyans were strange.
    1. +5
      8 March 2023 17: 26
      Quote: depressant
      First, Olga buried 20 people alive

      This just confirms my words - as soon as a woman gets into history, history turns the other way around to her ... wink
      1. +3
        8 March 2023 22: 27
        And this is because History is a woman herself, Clio's fidgeting mocker, and women do not like women, because women love men - sometimes wassat )))
        So let's raise our glasses to History with ... Everweiss, such a fanta now, and you know - very good!
        good drinks wassat hi )))
  12. Des
    +3
    9 March 2023 06: 15
    Sample for other authors. I read with interest. Thank you. And always happy list of literature.