How Alexander I Missed the Opportunity to Use Greece to Divide the Ottoman Empire

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How Alexander I Missed the Opportunity to Use Greece to Divide the Ottoman Empire
Alexander Pavlovich in front of the Cameron Gallery. George Doe


Greek question


The Peace of Bucharest in 1812 was not final (How Kutuzov saved Russia from a war on two fronts). A new military clash between Russia and Turkey was inevitable. Too many questions and contradictions remained unresolved. The Ottoman Empire decayed, collapsed, questions arose about who would be its heir. The Turks controlled many strategic regions, points, communications that other powers wanted to get. It was also beneficial for the Western powers to set the Ottomans against the Russians.



The next point of contention was the Greek question. In 1820–1821 an uprising began in Greece. Turkey responded with mass terror against the civilian population. So, in Candia on Crete, the Janissaries killed the metropolitan and five bishops right in the altar of the cathedral. Sultan Mahmud personally ordered the hanging of the Patriarch of Constantinople Gregory (he was suspected of having links with the rebels) on the gates of his own palace. Three metropolitans were also executed. Because the Greek corsairs seized a Turkish ship off the island of Chios, the Ottomans killed or sold into slavery the entire Christian population of the island (about 100 thousand people). These were only episodes of the bloody massacre. In fairness, we must remember that the Greek rebels did not stand on ceremony with the Ottomans either.

The Greek Revolution affected the economic and strategic interests of the Russian Empire. After the war of 1812, the rapid economic growth of southern Russia began. In 1817, Odessa became a free port, like the current free economic zone. The city is turning into a major international trade center. 500-600 merchant ships arrived at the port annually. A significant part of the merchant ships that visited Odessa, Taganrog, Mariupol and other Russian ports belonged to the Greeks. Most of the Greeks were subjects of Turkey, some - of Russia. Now trade has been disrupted. Turkish privateers seized and robbed merchant ships, without understanding what citizenship their owners had.

Due to the war in Greece and the shortage of bread in the capital, Sultan Mahmud imposed an embargo on the transport of grain and a number of other goods through the straits. Bread and other goods were confiscated from violators and sold in Istanbul at fixed prices. The Russian envoy in Constantinople, Stroganov, repeatedly protested to the Porte about the violation of the rights of Russian subjects and Russia's trade interests. In July 1821, the Russian embassy left the Turkish capital in protest.


Arrival of Lord Byron in Greece. Painting by T. Vryzakis, 1861

Alexander I misses a great chance


The war with Turkey met the military-strategic, national interests of Russia (Russia's Lost Chance: Catherine the Great's Tsargrad Operation). The occasion was excellent. It was possible to use the favorable situation when Turkey was tied up in the fight against the Greek rebels. And the Russian army was the strongest in Europe - Russia was then called the "gendarme of Europe." France, after the “bloodletting” in the wars of Napoleon, could not oppose Russia. England did not have serious opportunities on land and preferred to pit peoples and countries against each other. Prussia and Austria were formally our allies in the Holy Alliance. Obviously, Vienna and Berlin did not like the strengthening of Russia at the expense of the Porte. However, the Prussians and Austrians could not do anything serious.

Thus, Russia could decide in its favor the situation on the Danube, in the Balkans as a whole, in the strait zone and in the Caucasus. In Russia, an educated society (nobles, merchants, clergy and intelligentsia) supported the struggle of the Greek patriots.

However, the Russian Emperor Alexander I once again ignored national interests. He adhered to the principle of legitimism - legitimate dynasties had to retain their territories. That is, from the point of view of the national, strategic interests of Russia, it was beneficial for us to destroy the Ottoman Empire, to divide it, in which we received the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, control over the Christian and Slavic peoples of the Balkans, restored under our leadership historical Georgia and Armenia. And legitimism was beneficial to our Western "partners" - Austria, England and France, who did not have our capabilities in these regions, but wanted to stop the movement of the Russian Empire to the south and southwest.

The Holy Alliance - a conservative union of Russia, Prussia and Austria, created to maintain the international order established at the Congress of Vienna (1815), only interfered with Russia, restrained it. As a result, Tsar Alexander Pavlovich, at the suggestion of the cunning Austrian Chancellor Metternich, who had put in a lot of work to weaken Russia, refused to support Greece.

As a contemporary, Prince Pyotr Dolgorukov, wrote:

“The Greeks were denied all support for the alleged reason that they violated the duty of subjects by rebelling against their rightful (!) Sovereign, the Sultan of Turkey !!! The Christians were sacrificed to the Ottomans, and the Russian tsar acted as the Shah of Persia or some other admirer of Mahomet could only do.

So Petersburg missed the opportunity to achieve the independence of Greece and get a pro-Russian Greek state on the Balkan Peninsula. With our military bases. Russians and Greeks together could revive Tsargrad-Constantinople. At this time, many Greeks were drawn to Russia, they saw in it the Third Rome - the defender of Orthodoxy, Christians from the Omani oppressors. The Greeks became Russian subjects, studied the Russian language and culture. That is, there was a serious potential for the Russian-Greek union.

It ended with the fact that Greece eventually gained independence, but at the suggestion of the Western powers. Then Greece began to drift towards the West, preserving the traditional sympathies of the common people for the Russians, Russia.

As a result, Greece is now a member of the NATO bloc, supporting and arming the Ukrainian Nazi regime against the Russian world. This is how “Byzantineism” and “cunning plans” harm the Russian state and the Russian people.
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  1. +3
    3 March 2023 07: 19
    In my opinion, the author got excited with his conclusions (cunning plans, Byzantium, the NATO bloc and our Bosphorus)
    Not Alexander I, but the tsarist government under any autocrat, was not interested in supporting any revolutionary movements.
    1. +1
      3 March 2023 17: 22
      Yes, the conclusions are controversial, they are given from the position of the ruling class.
      Due to the war in Greece and the shortage of bread in the capital, Sultan Mahmud imposed an embargo on the transport of grain and a number of other goods through the straits. Bread and other goods were confiscated from violators and sold in Istanbul at fixed prices

      That is, the Turkish authorities fought hunger, interfering with the transport of bread and the sale of go at speculative prices. An interesting moment! There is concern for the common people.
      received the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, control

      Over the straits meant the unhindered export of grain and everything in general, that is, an even stronger plunder of the population, a stronger famine. The interests of the ruling elite were opposed to the interests of the peasant population. It is possible that Alexander I knew something about this and preferred to avoid hunger, food riots, and then the war of the whole world against Rus'. The principle of the inviolability of borders still gave at least some kind of peace and the possibility of industrial development.
    2. 0
      18 May 2023 08: 26
      Not Alexander I, but the tsarist government under any autocrat, was not interested in supporting any revolutionary movements
      - I do not agree. The same Nicholas I, unlike his older brother, actively supported the revolutionary struggle of the Greeks, despite the fact that they had a republic until 1832
  2. +2
    3 March 2023 08: 07
    You can prepare a similar article "How Nicholas I missed the opportunity to use Hungary to divide the Austrian Empire", removing only about the defense of Orthodoxy
  3. +2
    3 March 2023 09: 04
    Briefly and precisely. A good article about little-known black spots in Russian history.
  4. +2
    3 March 2023 09: 26
    The article extremely unsuccessfully mentions Prince P. Dolgorukov as an expert and fighter for Christianity, here the fact is that his personality itself was rather "muddy" - a joker and a merry fellow, knew how to enjoy life, was not without talents - the hack writer was noble, he managed to run away abroad, from there he poured mud on everyone and everything, it’s a pity - his kings didn’t have time to rot in hard labor.
  5. +7
    3 March 2023 10: 25
    After Peter 1, absolutism and tsarism in Russia became the main brake on its development and the cause of its progressive backwardness.

    Serfdom - a disgrace and the main brake on Russia, the tsars retained until 1861. The nobility parasitic on their estates - "the true support of the throne" - Orthodox co-religionists were sold through newspaper advertisements. beautiful girls were especially valued. The landowners, running wild on their estates, marked the serfs to death. Everywhere "The crunch of French rolls ...". Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality - the three main fakes of royal ileology.

    How much has been written about this in the Russian classics. From Turgenev to Tolstoy. And nothing, not a word about the "good father of the king."
    For those who like to demand proof, read the archive of the famous Kolokol magazine for that period. Thick numbers of each issue and all about Russian outrages with links to documents. And there are plenty of other archives - there would be a desire to read ...

    Driven to extremes, the peasants no longer raised uprisings, but entire peasant wars - from Bolotnikov to Pugachev. The kings brutally suppressed all this, guarding serfdom - no conclusions were drawn.
    The last "bell" and the last chance for tsarism is the uprising of the Decembrist nobles themselves. The reaction is the same - gallows, gauntlets, hard labor. The result was the disgrace of the Crimean War.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3343241

    The Orthodox Church, in the midst of all this bloody outrage and depravity of the nobility (harems of serf girls) was silent - "the Lord endured and ordered us!". But in 1918 the church suddenly grew bolder, did not stint on an anathema for the Bolsheviks (Patriarch Tikhon).

    Numerous religious movements, from Baptists to Quakers, actively fought against the slavery of blacks in the United States, which is now desperately scolded. Americans are certainly bad (the modern common view), but in order to get rid of slavery they themselves started a whole bloody civil war (about a million killed only) ..
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B0

    And in Russia, well-known politicians still decorate their offices with busts of "Father Tsars". "The people rejoice, the king demands ...".
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xbq5l682mE
    1. +3
      3 March 2023 11: 07
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      read the archive of the famous Kolokol magazine for that period.

      Who and where was this magazine published? That's right, Herzen in London.
      Almost two centuries have passed, and nothing has changed - the fighters for popular justice also broadcast from London
      1. +4
        3 March 2023 11: 13
        So they tried to broadcast from St. Petersburg, they tried from Moscow - how did this "broadcasting" end? There are no others, and those are far away ...
        Who doesn't like Kolokol, read other archives, Google to the rescue...
        1. +2
          3 March 2023 11: 17
          Quote: Timofey Charuta
          So they tried to broadcast from St. Petersburg, from Moscow they tried

          And, they tried to broadcast from Riga, but the Latvian comrades covered up very quickly and efficiently, it was in Moscow that they were coddling with them.
          1. +3
            3 March 2023 14: 31
            "And, they tried to broadcast from Riga, but the Latvian comrades covered up very quickly and efficiently, it was in Moscow they were babysitting them ..." - like, in an elderberry garden, and in one problematic city now - an uncle.

            It is clear that many want to talk about the times of the present. Drive modern politics out the door, it will fit in our window. Times are dark...

            But here's the annoyance, an article about the failed policy of the king and my post about the same. Herzen, his "Bell" and other critics of tsarism - XIX century.
            "And, they tried to broadcast from Riga, but the Latvian comrades covered up very quickly and efficiently, it was in Moscow they were babysitting ..." - what are you talking about and who are you talking about?
            And with whom did they "baby" in tsarist times? With Herzen, with Radishchev ("The rebel is worse than Pugachev!" - Ekaterina 2). Gorky was caulked to Petropavlovka for sedition, until they interceded, etc. and so on. Chernyshevsky-seditious for "What is to be done?" same way.

            And I did not understand - and Riga "with the Latvian comrades" here, in tsarist times, in the 1th century, which side? What are you talking about, dear?
            1. +3
              3 March 2023 20: 24
              Quote: Timofey Charuta
              And, they tried to broadcast from Riga, but the Latvian comrades covered up very quickly and efficiently, it was in Moscow they were coddling with them ... "- what and who are you talking about?

              This, about the comrades from the "Rain", they were there - in Riga, they immediately showed what Western democracy is, this is not a blue-footed and totalitarian Russia.
    2. +2
      3 March 2023 13: 01
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      And in Russia, well-known politicians still decorate their offices with busts of "Father Tsars". "The people rejoice, the king demands ...".

      By such actions, these politicians reduce their chances of re-election. Please note that only Mikhalkov openly demonstrates his monarchism. But Mikhalkov directly declares that he serves and served as his family to those who are currently in power. 80% of people in power are descendants of people from the kulak estate from about 1975. Monarchists are actually not liked in these circles. I think that is why Putin does not fully welcome either Mikhalkov or Strelkov, preferring to interact with Jews or Kadyrov. In Russia, since 1902, the beginning of peasant uprisings has been identified with monarchists with the "potato society" and with a parasitic class like the Chubais circle. Chubais, Berezovsky, Chernomyrdin and Sobchak were also comfortable with the "non-monarch Yeltsin" as a lightning rod of popular anger. I think those who hang up portraits of tsars simply try to shift this responsibility for their unscrupulous deeds to the very top.Under Peter 2 and Catherine 2, such people were tested on the civil service, sweeping out dead bodies and full of parasites.This is vividly shown in Fonvizin's play "Undergrowth", where a brave special forces soldier saves his bride from an attempt to rape her by local authorities.
  6. +2
    3 March 2023 12: 58
    As a result, Greece is now a member of the NATO bloc, supporting and arming the Ukrainian Nazi regime against the Russian world. This is how “Byzantineism” and “cunning plans” harm the Russian state and the Russian people.
    Here the author clearly got excited, a counterargument, Russia liberated Bulgaria and the Bulgarian people and the result? In both world wars, Bulgaria was an adversary of Russia, and yes, now it is also a NATO member with all the ensuing consequences. hi
  7. 0
    3 March 2023 13: 22
    It’s certainly strong to skip 200 years. And if you remember that after World War II the USSR did nothing to support the communists in Greece? And if you remember why Turkey joined NATO? 10 years rebuilt
    1. Fat
      +1
      3 March 2023 14: 29
      hi Hello Michael. Crying about "lost opportunities" is already enough because "alternativeism" and in general reasoning "after the fact" have no direct relation to history ...
      Ah, if my dream came true
      What life would come then.
      Ah, if a dream come true,
      What kind of life would then begin.
    2. +2
      3 March 2023 15: 00
      "As always, the damned autocracy is to blame for you, which, after roaring, rebuilt two fleets in 10 years ...".

      Miles sorry, the notorious "French bun" crunched again.

      The "damned autocracy" so famously rebuilt two fleets in 10 years, on foreign loans - that it all ended with the collapse of this autocracy itself and the arrest of the royal family in February 1917. And the annoying, nasty French are still demanding back from Russia their money taken by the tsarist regime, they were tormented by the courts.

      https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/355819-franciya-ne-budet-trebovat-ot-rossii-eu30-mlrd-po-carskim-dolgam

      PS And what was so special about the Russian fleet "rebuilt" by the tsars, for example, in WWI? The explosion of the battleship "Empress Maria"?

      1. -1
        3 March 2023 15: 25
        Quote: Timofey Charuta
        "As always, the damned autocracy is to blame for you, which, after roaring, rebuilt two fleets in 10 years ...".

        Miles sorry, the notorious "French bun" crunched again.

        The "damned autocracy" so famously rebuilt two fleets in 10 years, on foreign loans - that it all ended with the collapse of this autocracy itself and the arrest of the royal family in February 1917. And the annoying, nasty French are still demanding back from Russia their money taken by the tsarist regime, they were tormented by the courts.

        https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/355819-franciya-ne-budet-trebovat-ot-rossii-eu30-mlrd-po-carskim-dolgam

        PS And what was so special about the Russian fleet "rebuilt" by the tsars, for example, in WWI? The explosion of the battleship "Empress Maria"?


        And what distinguished the fleet of the USSR and Russia? The explosion of the battleship Novorossiysk? Or the Tallinn crossing? The fact of the matter is that everything ended for both the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR very sadly.
      2. 0
        3 March 2023 19: 11
        Quote: Timofey Charuta
        And the annoying nasty French are still demanding back from Russia their money taken by the tsarist regime, they were tortured by the courts

        But how good it is now, no courts are needed
      3. +2
        3 March 2023 20: 32
        By the way, this picture is from the vile British rags of the XNUMXth century, Joseph! I say, I repeat once again - centuries pass, but nothing changes, an old worn-out record.
    3. Eug
      +1
      3 March 2023 16: 37
      Stalin and Churchill "exchanged" Poland and Greece - on mutual obligations not to interfere in domestic politics. The Angles, of course, impeccably "observed" these obligations
      (if anything - sarcastic), and at first the USSR did not have the opportunity, then - the desires of the leaders (fought for power), and during this time in Greece the communists and their supporters were thoroughly "filtered out" - as now "pro-Russians" in Ukraine ..
  8. +6
    3 March 2023 15: 40
    As the folk wisdom says,
    Once a year and the Greek will tell the truth

    Or
    A gypsy will deceive a man, a Jew will deceive a gypsy, an Armenian will deceive a Jew, a Greek will deceive a Greek, and only the devil will deceive a Greek, and even then only by God's allowance.


    So our "Orthodox patriots" are always amusing and their fairy tales about Greek love for Russians and how grateful they would be for liberation.
    The Greeks only love themselves, their whole history.

    However, for "patriots" this is a common thing: those who have been blessed by them spit in the face, and they smear grubs, smile blissfully and say "the West seduced / spoiled them, they are good."
  9. Eug
    +1
    3 March 2023 16: 27
    The exit from the straits is controlled by the Greek port of Alexandropolis, a few years ago, in my opinion, even under Trump, there was a flash that the United States offered to either buy or take this port on a very long-term lease (like Greenland). Then everything was quiet. So control over the straits is only the first step towards free access to the Mediterranean Sea. But there was an opportunity ... (I'm talking about Alexander).
  10. 0
    3 March 2023 18: 33
    sashka the first cattle mediocrity kes kes kes kes kes mosquito fly bite parleva la france
  11. +2
    3 March 2023 19: 04
    So Petersburg missed the opportunity to achieve the independence of Greece and get a pro-Russian Greek state on the Balkan Peninsula.
    With Bulgaria did not miss. And what's the point?
  12. +2
    4 March 2023 11: 10
    For the same reason, in 1814 they did not burn Paris to the ground and did not impose an indemnity on France so that they had to pay for 50 years.
    Like, they fought not against France, but against the usurper Napoleon, supporting the legitimate Bourbon dynasty.
    The interests of the rulers almost always run counter to the interests of the people.
    1. 0
      4 March 2023 20: 55
      For the same reason, Paris was not burned to the ground in 1814.


      Well, such were the terms of the surrender of Paris signed by him. And why burn the city that you want to occupy?
      And he agreed to such conditions, because it was necessary to occupy Paris as soon as possible. Napoleon hurried with the army to the besieged city and was already close to Fontainebleau.

      did not impose an indemnity on France


      It was a joint decision of the allies, not Alexander alone.
      England, for example, under the terms of peace, returned to France almost all the colonies seized earlier from her, subject to the abolition of slavery in the French colonies.
      And Alexander, in return for the indemnity, took almost the entire Duchy of Warsaw for himself.
  13. 0
    4 March 2023 20: 24
    It ended with the fact that Greece eventually gained independence, but at the suggestion of the Western powers. Then Greece began to drift towards the West, preserving the traditional sympathies of the common people for the Russians, Russia.


    Author, what would change?
    Recall history and discard illusions.
    Here Bulgaria was liberated from the Turks exclusively by the power of Russian weapons, and what did this lead to?
    1. Bulgarians called Russians "brothers"
    2. Bulgaria in both world wars was against Russia
    3. Bulgaria is now a member of NATO
  14. 0
    5 March 2023 05: 25
    The text fails to mention that the first prime minister of Greece was Ioannis Kapodistrias, former foreign minister of Russia. Capable and good organizer, he tried to create a modern state. He was assassinated in 1831 with the possible involvement of the Anglo-French. It is worth mentioning that the British had already financed two civil wars, in 1823 and 1825.
  15. 0
    April 14 2023 22: 54
    Nonsense, the Bulgarians were released, and they fought against us in WWI together with Turkey. It was unrealistic to keep Constantinople, the Arabs, one or the other, would definitely capture it.