Not 15, but 18 bodies were found at the Kazakhstani Arkankergen border post

In place of the slaughterhouse at the Kazakhstan border guard post “Arkankergen”, 15, not 18, was found. This is claimed by the lawyer of the border guard Vladislav Chelakh, accused of killing colleagues, Serik Sarsenov.

According to the lawyer, it is based on the case file, Interfax notes. Sarsenov argues that the investigation does not know whose bodies, other than the bodies of the border guards, were discovered, and hide these facts - they are not reflected in the decision to prosecute Chelakh as the accused or in the indictment.

“I don’t know why the corpses of 18, and they impose 15,” he added. “All my statements will be confirmed during the trial by specific case materials,” Sarsenov stressed.

The 30 of this year’s border guard at the Sary Bokter border post of the Usharal border detachment discovered a burnt-out Arcankergen post in the mountains, where 15 border guards are serving in the summer. According to the official version, the remains of a 14 man were found at the site of the tragedy, in addition, a huntsman's body was found in a hunting lodge nearby.

Comments

[mar.tira]

I do not know what the Kazakhs think to do with the Russian guy. Most likely for the fact that the Russian will be judged. But the fact that this is a specially prepared sabotage operation is like two fingers on the asphalt! The handwriting is too typical. How can a simple conscript perform such an operation? According to investigators, he walked around and calmly shot his colleagues, while they sat and waited with a sweet smile! Is he "Rimbaud"?, Then on the contrary he should be taken as a consultant for special operations!

[aksakal]

Quote: mar.tira

I do not know what the Kazakhs think to do with the Russian guy. Most likely for the fact that the Russian will be judged. But the fact that this is a specially prepared sabotage operation is like two fingers on the asphalt! The handwriting is too typical. How can a simple conscript perform such an operation? According to investigators, he walked around and calmly shot his colleagues, while they sat and waited with a sweet smile! Is he "Rimbaud"?, Then on the contrary he should be taken as a consultant for special operations!

- Stupidity freeze. Firstly, he is not Russian, but Greek, or are you already recording any European in Russian? secondly, what does it matter? There is a murky affair, I agree, but the nationality in this mutot has absolutely no significance, there is something else. And you minus for budding such a question. If we look at all the events from this angle, then what kind of Eurasian Union is it? I wouldn’t get into a fight .... And who cares - think for yourself.

[SSR]

Quote: aksakal

There’s a murky business, I agree,

Stopudovo muddy ... it is not in vain that they say that your "elite" also likes to visit there, and the Chinese people are nearby (well-known poachers).

Quote: aksakal

but nationality in this mutot has absolutely no meaning

there are simply fears that this will try to "play" the inflated mordahs.

Quote: aksakal

If we look at all the events from this angle, then what kind of Eurasian Union is it? I wouldn’t get into a fight .... And who cares - think for yourself.

+5 is absolutely correct ..

[mar.tira]

Quote: aksakal

I wouldn’t get into a fight .... And who cares - think for yourself.

Here is the answer! And I say that I saw in those southern regions, because I lived there. In a border village, in the family of a border guard. Their attitude to all is not of Kazakh nationality. And Russian-speaking. And this was more than 20 years ago, when the Soviet Government was still strong. So, dear, do not cloud people’s brains. Nationality there will definitely be taken into account if the media do not raise

[baltika-18]

Quote: aksakal

There’s a murky affair, I agree, but nationality in this mutut has absolutely no meaning,

Everything in this world has a certain meaning. There is drug trafficking. Corridors on the borders are now a regular thing. The key to the borders of a great country was pissed off in the 90s. I took special interest in the topic of border protection, talked to former border guards at the forum, since it’s urgent He spent the frontier troops, he takes the flurry from what is happening now. It comes to the point that the outposts are destroying, you see the savings.

[Mikado]

Quote: mar.tira

. But the fact that this is a special prepared sabotage operation is like two fingers on the asphalt!

and what were the goals of this "sabotage operation"? substitute Private Chelakh?

Quote: mar.tira

.How can a simple conscript conscript do such an operation?

There weren’t any such cases when a soldier shot his guard and left? This case is very similar to the story of Private Sakalauskas in the 87th year.

[Starksa]

into the account because the Russian does not agree, but the rest is yes, all this is muddy and strange, it’s a pity you can’t put + and -

[Ustas]

Quote: StarkSA

and what were the goals of this "sabotage operation"? substitute Private Chelakh?

My thoughts. The frontier post prevented drug trafficking like a bone in the throat. Border posts were destroyed by specialists. Chela simply got chilled, did not accept the fight and fled to the mountains. Therefore, he remained alive.

[Mikado]

It is doubtful that all drug traffic (through Kazakhstan and Central Asia) comes from Afghanistan along the Dushanbe-Moscow railways and, in particular, Kulyab-Moscow (Kulyab is generally on the border with Afghanistan, this train was made purely for drug traffic, it is immediately loaded from the border to Russia ), everything is paid for. Why did drug dealers need to transport drugs in another way, through China, across borders, instead of a warm, comfortable and paid train, while carrying out an entire outpost? And it turns out that Chelnakh waited until everyone was killed, waited until the "specialists" left, returned to the outpost, collected personal belongings of his colleagues, burned their bodies along with the outpost and only after that ran into the mountains? Oh, doubtful ...

[Bekzat]

Greetings to all, for Mikado, there may not necessarily be drugs. Rare species of animals, saiga horns, and horns (the saiga horns told me), the closer they are to China, the more expensive they are, 2 pairs of horns-1kg cost about 500-700 dollars, in villages, villages, in places where the saiga were shot, and already on the border with China, 4000-5000 dollars per kg. And in China itself, there are already crazy prices there. Cattle can be transported (barymt).

[Starksa]

I don’t think that he escaped, they could have intentionally left him alive so that there would be someone to answer. xs in general, maybe they pumped it with something. In any case, we will not find out the truth

[PISTOL]

I won’t be surprised if everything will be blamed on him and all the murders will be hanged, although it’s clear to the fool that he didn’t do it ....

[Starksa]

everything has already been blamed on him, but he does not agree with the accusations

[boris.radevitch]

We must deal with the Red Kazakh very carefully and give it to the fullest!

[I. Brovkin]

They got the guy !! They themselves had to be judged for all that he had experienced.
If a guy could complain, he would not kill anyone.

[Cripple cross]

I. Brovkin,
What are you about???

[strannik595]

and how it all began .......

[kush62]

100% trouble and the guy’s nationality has nothing to do with it. He was left alone, so all the bumps fell on him. Even if there remained a chimpanzee, she would be to blame. There is someone to hide something.

[marshes]

That’s why he and a lawyer to carry different nonsense, but how can he justify yesterday’s "loss", Chelakh admitted yesterday to looting and setting fire to the barracks.

[Oleg S.]

Quote: aksakal

If we look at all the events from this angle, then what kind of Eurasian Union is it? I wouldn’t get into a fight .... And who cares - think for yourself.

Kazakhstani President Nursultan Nazarbayev in Istanbul shouted about the unification of the "Turkic people". Eurasian Union? Hike Russia and there is nothing to do here.
The question of nationality is now acute, not only with us! And around the world ... And I came and saw Russians who came from Central Asia.
"They returned to their homeland because they hate Russians. They threw stones at our windows with notes like" Russians leave "or simply with the inscription" Death to Russians "who threw them, we saw them and my mother knew them. She was a teacher at a local school in Russian language and literature. .... The guy was born in Uzbekistan ....
So we know your peace and hospitality, we are not on your way !!!

[romb]

Let's not waste a lot of fun, but just talk the facts!
Where, when, have you been or lived in Kazakhstan?

[kush62]

That mother is a teacher and even in the Russian language can be seen from the written.

[A. Yaga]

That mother is a teacher and even in the Russian language can be seen from the written.

Oh, well don't cling. I was also taught the Russian language by a teacher of the same nationality as his mother with the same quality of instruction. Good that only two years

[tambourine 2012]

we also came from KZ to 94 but the Kazakhs in general have a very good opinion and, on the contrary, the Kazakhs told us not to leave, everything will settle down, no need to generalize "So we know your peacefulness and hospitality, we are not on our way !!!" and with whom then are we on the way?

[KCC]

It is necessary to deal with a case if there are more than 15 corpses, this clearly indicates a poor-quality investigation and the accused's hearing on this case .. It is generally difficult to judge a case correctly in Russia because of a lack of information. As for President Nazarbayev’s statements, I think he’s just looking for a foothold in the world, as China’s neighbor and maybe Russia’s neighbor cause him concern in the future.

[wolk71]

Even when the first information came about the death of the outpost, I said that it was the work of a sabotage group, no matter which side it came from, the fact is that the guy is extreme and no one wants to understand this except for the lawyer. And now all the more it becomes clear that there is a third party in this story.

[in reserve]

But what a sabotage group, in general, I see no reason to carry out a sabotage against this outpost. They commit sabotage somewhere in the center of an enemy state in relation to a large mass of people, so that they are afraid. China has no reason to commit sabotage and so if Kazakhstan attacks the Kerdyk it will not make sense to smugglers, otherwise it will be easier to pay for the right people to cover the route.
If you served in the border troops, you will understand me, I served in the outpost, we had 22 people at night, 2 sentries and the duty officer on the outpost runs, kill the sentries and outpost pi ........ the whole will be cut, we have the chief he served in Chechnya in the 90s so he talked, he was demobilized from the outpost and the next day the whole outpost was cut out by a lucky man.
And at the outposts, the conditions of service are very heavy pressure from the officers, you usually work at night shifts in your free time (you dig or drag a thread) "so that the soldier hu ... ...I" . So on this basis, in a state of depression, it is completely possible.

[baltika-18]

Quote: in stock

If you served in the border troops, you will understand me, I served in the outpost, we had 22 people at night, 2 sentries and the duty officer on the outpost runs, kill the sentries and outpost pi ........ all will be cut,

I served in the border troops, 43 people, three officers, an ensign. Three sentries, an alarm group, a signalman on duty, responsible for the outpost. In what years did you drag the service and where. I am 83-85 KPPVO, 95-Konigsberg, military unit 2297.

Quote: in stock

And at the outposts, the conditions of service are very heavy pressure from the officers, you usually work at night shifts in your free time (you dig or carry a thread) "so that the soldier hu ... ...I" .

The conditions of service are normal for men, there was no pressure from the officers. But the squelch in the border troops, and indeed in the army did not belong. Depression should be left at home with my mother’s skirt if I went to the army.

[in reserve]

He served in Abkhazia from 97-98. I detach the Sukhumi border guard, the outposts were not half the state’s outposts like Russia, they constantly did not leave the outposts 2 of and 1 prapor outposts guarded themselves and the sea border

The conditions of service are normal for men; there was no pressure from the officers.

I don’t know how you had it, but at some outposts we had chiefs of outposts, a soldier forced to dig pits with his hands.
Yes, and at the expense of depression, they say he had turbidity, but is it not a depressive state.

[baltika-18]

Quote: in stock

He served in Abkhazia 97-98 biennium Sukhumi frontier detach,

And I realized the very collapse.

[in reserve]

baltika-18
So I realized the most collapse

I would not say that we had the most collapse, we provided state border protection well, at that time I would say that we had the most combat-ready shooting units every week and training alarms all the time.

[nickname 1 and 2]

baltika-18,
Wait a minute! I am also from the border guards! 64-67gg Turkmenistan.
Guys, think, what kind of heat do you need to bring a guy to shoot 14 people? Science fiction! It is necessary to get used to kill (if you are not a schizo). A person with a normal psyche (if he has not been smoked) cannot like a wolf - sheep, butchering - 14 hours. After the first, let the second-third = nerves surrender!
The second - how to stifle so as not to hear 14 (and there about two horns speech) shots? well, etc. (or they all didn’t get smoked there)
That was exactly what it was - everyone might have drunk, smoked, and Chalykh had not been given, and in terrible breaking he shot them like hens in a chicken coop! and the huntsman was in the same company.
They don’t give anyone there;
Something there is very nasty for big stars hiding.

[in reserve]

nickname 1 and 2
Guys, think, what kind of heat do you need to bring a guy to shoot 14 people? Science fiction!

Well, what did you fall off the moon, how many cases of miscarriage did the whole guards shoot.
No one condemns him is a really incomprehensible story.

[nickname 1 and 2]

in reserve,
That's just the point - the guard! And here - !
How to get a guy? It is very necessary to mock strongly! In order to lurk like that - think through to the smallest detail, wait and solve 14 + forester (and why?) Well, then you need to quickly go to China!

But if the guy was really mocked "over the black", then he did the right thing (forgive me, Lord) I just can't imagine = HOW SHOULD BE SLEEPING AT A MAN? to bring to this.

[marshes]

Earlier, relatives of several dead border guards arrived in Taldykorgan. They got acquainted with some of the case materials and, according to them, were horrified by this. The father of the deceased Kambar Aganas commented on the video shown to him. “I just looked on the camera when I was sitting with a cellmate and told me. I have no doubt that he is a murderer. In this story he tells exactly how he killed. Even worse. He scoffs even when he tells his cellmates how he killed everyone, as if he tells the same story, even laughs. Everyone who screamed like screaming, blood flowed, tells everything there. I felt bad, "- said Askar Sarinov.

More details: http://tengrinews.kz/events/rodstvennikam-pogibshih-pogranichnikov-pokazali-zapi
s-razgovora-chelaha-221879 /
Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz

[wolk71]

I wish I could watch the video, and not listen to Askar Sarinov, the guy in the photo is still a young man, he puts 15 people weak.

[marshes]

Quote: wolk71

I wish I could watch the video, and not listen to Askar Sarinov, the guy in the photo is still a young man, he puts 15 people weak.

Take your time, everything will be shown. The case will be long, especially now the lawyer has challenged the judge.
This is from Moscow Komsomolets.http: //www.mk.ru/daily/newspaper/article/2012/11/19/776107-soldat-go
lod-otritsaet-ubiystvo-15-chelovek.html
Vladislav Chelakh pleaded guilty to misappropriation of other people's property and damage to property, but did not plead guilty to the killings. The first of the witnesses was a paramedic. He said that Chelakh avoided hard physical work and had clashes with soldiers. According to witnesses, Chelakh was in conflict with Private Maksutov, but he spoke best of all with Private Ray. Chelakh helped him in his work. Chelakh's colleagues gave him the nickname Hunger.

[Petrospek]

There the story is muddy, I agree with that. The most amazing thing is that he killed the forester, after the murder of his colleagues, the forester was asleep, in what condition was the forester that he did not hear anything?
Why does a friend plead guilty to

Quote: marshes

misappropriation of another's property and damage to property,

but didn't confess to the murders? If he robbed them after death, according to the logic of things (according to the healthy logic of things), he killed them before that? This is a very "strange" way to confuse the investigation.

[marshes]

Quote: Petrospek

state was a forester that he did not hear anything?

At the expense of the forester, this is not a forester but just a caretaker.Lesnik was at home at that time. He offered to earn extra money for his acquaintance Ruslan Kim, a former Air Force major, this is not a former paratrooper or border guard but ground-based technical personnel.

Quote: Petrospek

but didn't confess to the murders? If he robbed them after death, according to the logic of things (according to the healthy logic of things), he killed them before that? This is a very "strange" way to confuse the investigation.

What was the strangest thing he could record on a camera or on phones?

[Petrospek]

well, it’s all the same strange that the person was not alarmed by the shots, and he calmly stayed to sleep further, this can only be in two cases - either the person was deadly drunk or such things (shots) were not uncommon there.

and what did he record on camera? how did you kill?

[marshes]

Quote: Petrospek

and what did he record on camera? how did you kill?

I could have recorded Arkankergen even before the fire, there were many files deleted one by one before filming in "nature".

[nickname 1 and 2]

wolk71,
Right! This must be a rare animal to 15 people.

[marshes]

Quote: wolk71

That would be a video to watch, and not to listen to Askar Sarinov, the guy in the photo is still a youth, he is 15 people weak

http://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/stenogramma-razgovorov-chelaha-s-sokamernik
ami-223867 /
You can see it.

[kush62]

Some kind of nonsense. Imagine this picture yourself. Kills one, he screams, blood is pouring, others are waiting in the wings. Then the next, etc. Are they all connected? Well, if everyone was scared, no one tried to run? Was there such a brave Rambo, and then he hid himself with fear?

[marshes]

Quote: kush62

Some kind of nonsense. Imagine this picture yourself. Kills one, he screams, blood is pouring, others are waiting in the wings. Then the next, etc. Are they all connected? Well, if everyone was scared, no one tried to run? Was there such a brave Rambo, and then he hid himself with fear?

Perhaps some who were injured and could not resist, just finished.

[Petrospek]

and those that are not injured?

[marshes]

Quote: Petrospek

and those that are not injured?

After shooting, 50 rounds of ammunition were not visible. In the border guards, stores are loaded with 25 rounds, the springs are deposited from long-term storage.

[Petrospek]

So he recharged? and everyone was waiting quietly?

[webdog]

yes, that’s exactly what happens when people are scared and they don’t have experience of reaction in such situations ...

[nickname 1 and 2]

webdog,
A sense of self-preservation will cause the legs to move quickly.

[Khan]

I think he was lucky, he just ran away and before that he saw something and was hiding. A professional will take a machine gun and not a gun in the mountains. The rest were thrown to him by the Kazakh State Security authorities, including a cell phone gun. Why should the ordinary man wear the captain’s clothes the size of the clothes. My opinion was that the capture of the border post was most likely carried out by the special forces of the N state, because the posts are typical that they are Russian and Kazakh, and the government needs to hush up this incident, so you need someone to hang up on it and the second one, if he saw what he should shut up forever and ever.

[webdog]

You are not right about the gun.
I'm professional. but I won’t take the machine in his case.
1. the officer uses a pistol (and he "mowed" under it)
2. the gun weighs less, hides easier. this is a weapon of surprise)))
3. He was not going to roam the wild mountains, but went to the people.
4. I could do everything myself. 15 unarmed people who do not expect to kill anything are difficult, but without special training. on luck.
Now, if in a real battle ... then yes, not really. although there are specialists and such)))))
Thank you for the attention)

[Petrospek]

I doubt that there are such populated villages so that among the inhabitants it would be possible to get lost.
Either he acted in a state of affect, or simply sick (here the word did not pass)

[nickname 1 and 2]

webdog,

Even during executions they managed to escape. And here - shot sleepy? But shooting is shooting, without a silencer !, and who did not cry out? It must be a specialist - a killer! The outpost on which I served several years before my call was cut out - sleepy in the ear with an awl (ramrod). There is a speech nerve behind the ear, which did not allow you to yell and wake your comrades!
But this is aerobatics of seasoned killers !!! And here is the kid who never killed !!!

[webdog]

he is not a professional ... but he did the opposite professionally, taking a gun)
in a previous post I explained everything to you, but it was deleted.
do not be offended. good luck)))

[Khan]

And most importantly, on May 28, border guards didn’t get in touch, on May 30, an outfit sent from the Sary-Bokter outpost found a burned out Arkankergen border post building in the mountains. That is, a section of the state border was opened for 2 days, walk, I don’t want to, it shows low combat readiness of the Kazakh frontier services.

[nickname 1 and 2]

Khan,
This is not a border. This is an advanced combat enlarged outfit in the most probable direction of drug trafficking. And they have not yet adopted a martial law after moving to a place of deployment (of the type).
Perhaps that is why they were put in, the drug caravan could be opposed, therefore, the support militants destroyed, and Chalykh out of fright (one not stoned) gave a fight! The guy was shocked! They found him and decided to make him a "scapegoat" for otherwise - the stars would have lost many who sit high.

[s1н7т]

Um. Well this is how the roof should move in order to do this. A normal person is not capable of this. And to bring to this person (provided that he is healthy) - this will not go unnoticed. Or Chelakh - sick on the head, or not his doing.

[Sars]

If this guy is such a superman, then logically, during the arrest, he had to "put" a bunch of people!
Judge for yourself: there is nothing to lose - there is a weapon, training (combat) is excellent.
And since the border, I could have gone for a cardon!
In a word, I do not believe it!

[Beck]

Well, cheers-patriots in their key - will be judged because Russian. Rave. But the most harmful nonsense. We are creating the Eurasian Union, and here the nationalists carry all crap.

To believe not to believe the investigation is everyone's personal business. But on television they showed how Chelakh testified during the investigative experiment. He spoke without exertion, ordinary. There were no threats to the questions posed by the investigators. And here the lawyer said. So for that he is paid money so that he defends the accused by any means. Yes, and Chelakh himself understood what he had done, during a nervous breakdown, and subsequent indications, on the advice of lawyers, quite naturally changed. The defendant can say everything for protection. The giving of false testimony, as a witness, is not imposed on him by law. And there was a breakdown and nothing more.

Drug traffic. Outpost in the mountains. If you drive a drug through that section, you torment yourself on foot through the mountains and sands to go to the nearest city to distribute it there.

And such incidents happen from time to time .. In my army when I was in training, one person who broke away only killed, at night, about 30 people in the barracks. And while injuring, I don’t remember how much.

[aleandr]

I have two opinions (50-50% guilty, innocent) If this happened during the day, everyone would be at the posts, absolutely sober, with all the weapons ready, then I don’t believe that he could kill them (He’s not Rambo ), and if they were drunk in the trash, or worse, they would pour something on them, then I believe
Was it checked on a lie detector? Was hypnosis introduced?

[wolk71]

And why not where there is no conclusion ballistics? What weapons were shot from one or more border guards? Where were the corpses in what position? There are a lot of questions. We need answers, otherwise we will transfer from empty to empty for a very long time.

[Beck]

Quote: wolk71

And why not where there is no conclusion ballistics?

That is why you think there is no conclusion from ballistics. What if they are not published in the media, then your logic, they are not. There they are and are in business. There are many more pages in the case, and not secret ones, which are simply not published by the press.

[wolk71]

In this case, why are they silent? The conclusions of the ballistics, the direction of the flight of the bullet, the location of the bodies, oh, how much they say.

[Edya]

Che you argue here ..... Clearly, on the border with China, China had already gotten naked before the Russians; it’s they who shot at the Kazakhs’s border on the Kazakhs ... that they would have shot 1 individual physically would not have killed 13 fighters

[rinzhak]

the situation is as follows: the border guards were liquidated by a sabotage and subversive group, and it would simply not be respect for the military special forces to think that some evidence of the special forces could have been left (by characteristic signs) Although the special forces could organize the event in such a way that everything would look like an amateur , well, or as a shootout of the military in a professional sergeant skill. Secondly, the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan probably, hypothetically (with a professional instinct), feels that the special forces actually worked - even without any solid evidence from the battlefield. Therefore, they launched a misinformation in all the media that Chelakh was to blame, and the investigation has every reason to think so. Meanwhile, the second group (secret) monitors and works in the direction of searching for traces of saboteurs, monitors what actions can be performed in different circles, and abroad, including after the launch of such a desa broadcast! I do not exclude that Chelakh himself was included in the development of this counter-measure by the KNB and the External Scan of the Republic of Kazakhstan to an acceptable limit. In other words, Chelakh signed a non-disclosure of certain circumstances of this case. His (Chelakha), as well as his family and lawyer's role in playing the role of "scapegoats" more convincingly

[wolk71]

Well, well, if the role of the "goat" did not turn into reality.

[marshes]

Are you a relative to Zhakiyanov Galymzhan?

[VadimSt]

What are we discussing! How did a border guard, without a map and a compass, in an unfamiliar area, heroically make his way to his own people, in order to report, about the Chinese attack on the border post?
Bullshit and a way to promote protection! Judging by the picture, and his actions after the incident, an ordinary, stoned boy!

[thatupac]

Kazakhs him because erysipelas are not Chinese rile all service. So he settled with them. A sort of Vinogradov. Only in the army. Lifetime him with a strict regime.

[glorious glorious]

as you don’t understand ... all sabotage actions are carried out to intimidate, to perform purely military tasks, or to put pressure on the authorities ... just such a moment is happening ... why do you think this act was committed on the eve of the SCO summit in Beijing? only pressure on Nazarbayev ... but the question is who and why? As the movement began to create the Eurasian Union ... it began ... first in Minsk a couple of explosions ... then we ... sortie the saboteur in Taraz, the provocation in Zhanaozen ... then at the post ... but still in the huntsman’s families were cutting out mountains near Almaty ... the same handwriting ... corpses and houses were burned ... after there was information that 9 militants were liquidated nearby ... it means they walked along the ridges from the post at the border and reached Alatau, filled up there, and then they were spotted and killed by these very militants ... what’s not clear here