“I don’t want to risk a drone”: Russian fighters note the growing suppression of drones by the enemy and “neighbors”

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“I don’t want to risk a drone”: Russian fighters note the growing suppression of drones by the enemy and “neighbors”

At the beginning of the special operation, there was a large gap in equipment drones in favor of the APU. However, after a few months, the situation changed dramatically, mainly due to the flow of civilian UAVs to the units of the Russian troops, organized as part of volunteer deliveries. At the same time, the saturation of the front with electronic warfare equipment began. drones. Moreover, this process took place on both sides of the confrontation. As a result, by now, the risks of using UAVs have increased significantly.

For about two months, problems with the use of civilian drones have been fixed. It became dangerous to launch the "bird". Neighbors say it's the only way they take you away. Almost took ours away. I don't want to risk my drone anymore.

- say the Russian fighters.



According to them, in order to avoid the withdrawal of drones by the enemy, they are increasingly attaching fishing line or nylon thread to the UAV, but this requires an increase in the calculation to two people, since the second number is needed to follow the "cable" that can be wound around the propellers and the engine.

The growing suppression of drones is recorded even in the near rear, at a distance of 4-5 km. As a number of fighters explain, it is unlikely that enemy electronic warfare equipment is working at this distance. There are numerous cases when own drones were mistaken for strangers, for example, soldiers from a tank unit intercepted artillery drones returning from a mission with an anti-drone rifle. Similarly, the calculations of electronic warfare stations can also get confused in the ownership of the UAV.



It is necessary to organize interaction with the calculation of the EW station (and not with the head of the EW service, with whom it is very difficult to establish communication with the LBS [from the front line]), this is the main task of each UAV operator

- consider artillerymen from the 150th motorized rifle division.

According to them, it is time for the heads of the UAV services to finally take into account the fact that the units have their own drones, and the heads of the electronic warfare services to systematize the use of low-power jamming stations, mainly anti-drone guns, so that the commanders of neighboring units are aware of their work.

Technically, gunners are advised to use the drone only on a strong leash and equip drones with GPS trackers, for example, ordinary children's watches with a corresponding application on the phone, which will report their location in the event of a landing. It is indicated that equipping the UAV with a parachute will not solve the problem, since the interception of control will not allow turning off the engine and the UAV will simply crash as a result. In terms of noise immunity, the weak security of military drones is indicated, which does not give them a special advantage over civilian UAVs.

As for the Eagles. Over the past few months, their effectiveness has dropped to almost zero. The security of the control channels proved to be very poor. Their use is becoming less and less

the gunners say.

For our part, we note that for many years the Ministry of Defense has been declaring the high efficiency of modern automated command and control systems being introduced into the army. It is the ACCS that should be responsible for horizontal communications between various units on the battlefield. Judging by the fact that unit commanders are forced, on their own initiative, to establish contacts with neighbors, exchanging information through ordinary messengers, the introduction of ACCS is only on paper.

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  1. +12
    28 February 2023 10: 56
    Well, it’s understandable - European oil and gas buyers have supplied drone strikers and electronic warfare, so the Svidomites have learned how to extinguish and steal drones. Too bad if so... recourse
    Oh, how we need birds for our men and they help a lot.
    1. +4
      28 February 2023 11: 13
      Since we have to conduct military operations in Ukraine with the NATO bloc, it is not surprising that the Anglo-Saxons, as the main skirmishers of the war in Ukraine, are now intensively applying all their advanced weapons developments, testing them in real combat conditions with equal strength. adversary.

      In all serious wars, this happened before and is happening now, so that domestic military leaders need to use their brains more energetically and raise promising questions for the military-industrial complex, and not rely on the weapons of yesterday.
      1. 0
        28 February 2023 14: 35
        To pose not only long-term questions, but also to gain experience of the present, otherwise you will have to rely on the future and look back, look into the past.
        1. 0
          3 March 2023 18: 02
          What is taken away is a temporary phenomenon.
          Signal encryption is now a very cheap fee, and will soon be installed even on civilian drones.
          The UAV transmission signal is very specific, even if encrypted. The transmission of the TV signal is ongoing. It is not so difficult to set up a network of receivers near the front so that they detect it instantly. And then they detected drone control signals. Technically, it's not difficult.
          The control of such a network must be transferred to the gunners so that the projectile is immediately sent to the source of the control signal.
          Why don't they do that?
      2. +4
        1 March 2023 18: 28
        Fighting with the help of civilian drones is absurd and utopian, it is urgent to increase the production of our strike and reconnaissance drones, everyone has been constantly talking about this for more than a year, and things are still in the same place, it may already show toughness and, according to the laws of wartime, some people should already be put to the wall, how everything is moving too slowly and difficultly, one gets the impression that someone deliberately puts spokes in the wheels and does not allow our military-industrial complex to quickly rebuild on a military footing.
        1. +6
          2 March 2023 04: 51
          Yes, no one puts any sticks, and no one interferes with the military-industrial complex. In order to "build up" - you first need to have something (to what) to build up, and that there are those who will build up. Few specialists, that's the whole answer. Nobody goes to engineering school. designers - it is easier to get a law degree, or an economist. What is the use of the fact that you will demand from someone to complete the five-year plan in two months? And who are you going to put up against the wall? The last ones, who else can do something? :)... This is stupidity. You need to prepare shots. And to speed up the process - to lure specialists from the same Iran (yes, from anywhere). Waving your fists and looking for pests everywhere is the last thing.
      3. 0
        6 March 2023 19: 54
        Quote: credo
        In all serious wars, this happened before and is happening now, so that domestic military leaders need to use their brains more energetically and raise promising questions for the military-industrial complex, and not rely on the weapons of yesterday.

        Who are you contacting now? We must thank them for the fact that at the moment they decided to release at least something. And you dream that they think for the future. To do this, they need to be changed, they do not like advice and criticism. To the Wagnerites for criticism, ammunition is still being duly released. And they don’t give a damn about the fact that more of our own soldiers die because of them, the offensive is hampered. Already at the right time it is possible to give them awards to Zelensky, for their actions in gratitude for this.
    2. +47
      28 February 2023 11: 27
      Actually - it was originally said that in the conditions of a properly organized electronic warfare - all these small UAVs have no right to life. Too weak communication channels. But why our type of the most advanced electronic warfare from the very beginning shows itself somehow not convincing - a separate question .. Can't, or don't want to?
      1. +17
        28 February 2023 11: 51
        Naturally, civilian drones cannot be used on LBS. We need military drones. With repeaters, pseudo-random frequency change, encryption.
        1. -12
          28 February 2023 12: 10
          Quote from cold wind
          Naturally, civilian drones cannot be used on LBS. We need military drones. With repeaters, pseudo-random frequency change, encryption.

          For your money - any of your whims.
          1. +23
            28 February 2023 14: 40
            Quote: Civil
            Quote from cold wind
            Naturally, civilian drones cannot be used on LBS. We need military drones. With repeaters, pseudo-random frequency change, encryption.

            For your money - any of your whims.

            And, isn't our money going to the maintenance and development of the army?
        2. 0
          28 February 2023 12: 21
          On any small drone, there is not enough power to break through the correct electronic warfare ...
          1. +5
            28 February 2023 15: 11
            can implement an autonomous ability to return to base, in the absence of control communication? instead of a line. But on the other hand, what is the use of such a drone, not to mention the rise in price? Only if where there is no electronic warfare.
            1. +3
              1 March 2023 09: 52
              Rather, you need to use a program flight along the route with automatic return to base without the possibility of remote control, but with a communication channel with the camera.
              1. +2
                1 March 2023 13: 28
                the simplest inertial system integrated into the drone control system should, in theory, help. special precision is not needed. when the satellite signals and the control signal are lost, the drone should turn around "approximately in the direction" from where it flew based on the data of its accelerometer and give a tear. this should help to get out of the suppression zone and return under the control of the operator.
        3. 0
          1 March 2023 16: 48
          it is also possible for civilians in the "route program" mode along the track without communication with the operator. Yes, the efficiency will be lower, but interception from the "rouge" in this case is impossible. I'm sure the craftsmen will reflash the machine to this mode in 1 day.

          I believe that this is exactly how ukrodrons fly to targets in the Russian Federation in the "radio silence" mode.
      2. +16
        28 February 2023 12: 38
        There are no small, big differences if the communication channels are not encrypted and there is no failsafe return home. Well, the lack of communication between divisions in the 21st century is directly hello to the stone age
        1. 0
          1 March 2023 23: 34
          And faith in the words of the military commander is a direct return to the Jurassic period laughing
      3. +7
        28 February 2023 22: 11
        Er... how should I say that...
        In general, like this:"We haven't even started yet!"
      4. +3
        1 March 2023 11: 32
        And they can and do. They just work out of necessity. After all, each signal source, and even more so the installation of the supply of interference, is a candidate for destruction in the first place. Our aviation guards them, as well as our electronic warfare equipment, as well as the inclusion of enemy air defense radars. And their signal suppression settings are similar to ours in terms of the principle of operation. But as for UAVs, here you need to look at which UAVs are jammed. Often, Chinese handicrafts from volunteers are jammed, they were manured a lot, so they are mostly jammed. There are not many eagles, they have secure control channels. They work not on the front line, but somewhat behind enemy lines.
        The author lies about their suppression, seemingly from stories from the military. No one will tell him about reconnaissance by these UAVs and their behavior, especially operators. Or did the operators directly report to him? In addition, our kamikaze drones also have secure communication and control channels and work quite well for themselves. Well, there are lies in this article. Those who are very interested in maintaining a database and systematically watch videos and read messages will determine this for themselves.
      5. +4
        1 March 2023 11: 56
        Every electronic warfare has a range. In addition, these stations are the enemy's number one target. In addition, our electronic warfare is very effective in combating Ukrainian drones. Intelligence comes to Ukrainians mainly from other means of surveillance. Regarding the Orlans, the one who wrote the article is lying. There are not very many of them and their communication channels are not poorly protected. They mainly conduct reconnaissance not on the front line, but somewhat behind the line. Suffer at the forefront of commercial UAVs from volunteers. Their control lines are simply not protected in any way. Our kamikaze drones work very well.
        1. 0
          1 March 2023 12: 08
          To suppress the stations of all kinds of electronic warfare, turned on by the enemy, our airborne forces with radiation-guided missiles hang almost continuously in the air, just like for enemy air defense radars. The danger is guns for fighting drones, but the drone must be detected and pointed in its direction with this gun. But their effective range is up to 1 km, and there is a limitation on the duration of work due to batteries. During the transition period, you can still use them while in a forest belt or forest, with the advent of greenery it becomes problematic and you will have to go to the edge or to an open place to determine where the aircraft is. Your problems.
          1. +5
            1 March 2023 12: 19
            Well, according to the article itself. The article is custom-made, designed for young people who are not morally stable. To disperse the protest mood against our own command and our military-industrial complex. As a rule, such authors are not military personnel and it is good if they served. The sources of their information are the Internet, from where they rake all the crap into their articles. Well, since our military is very modest in providing information, the other side, in their inventions or conscious distortions, frolic to the fullest.
            In general, it is necessary, before you yourself knock on the clave here, to check the facts about what was written. You can't check, better just read and don't write anything. Do not encourage such authors to write what they do not know, do not encourage them to be incompetent in what they write. For such articles, in general, certain “sponsors” give money, which are far from being on our side.
      6. 0
        1 March 2023 14: 05
        The channel is illuminated, it threatens - "shot down". No - we follow where we flew + art, if we get it.
  2. +36
    28 February 2023 10: 58
    Never mind our electronic warfare, the best electronic warfare in the world, non-analogues! Just like in the old ditty, They removed the doors from the matan and took the cow away, and ordered the matan - don't tell anyone! Glory to Gerasimov!
    1. +29
      28 February 2023 11: 08
      Take education, medicine, and the auto industry wherever you throw trouble! How is the army different? Many military men in conversations, including those mobilized, say that it is even worse in the army !!! The whole course of the CBO showed this! True, the same military say that a lot is being corrected now, but very, very slowly.
      1. -1
        28 February 2023 13: 49
        Take education, medicine, and the auto industry wherever you throw trouble! How is the army different?
        moreover, many people understand this, but they cannot draw an analogy further, and they begin to say that now we will punish them all with nuclear weapons. Judging by the situation in the army, our strategic nuclear forces are hardly in the best condition
        1. +2
          1 March 2023 07: 17
          Judging by the mobilized of my company, only the fighters of the Strategic Missile Forces of the sample 98-00 and 20-21 know what to do under fire. This is 3 out of 67. And the rest is sadness. Okay, not serving volunteers.
          So let's hit it, we'll definitely hit it, but later. Is it really not clear that we are being pushed to this. Amers need to legalize a vigorous loaf for use in all sorts of greyhounds in Mexico, Brazil, Indonesia. And keep yours at bay.
          1. +1
            2 March 2023 01: 14
            You do not have a company as well as mobilized. You are just a troll. Yes, and from the front line several hundred kilometers, if not thousands. The fact that you do not serve is already determined by your writing.
    2. +11
      28 February 2023 11: 17
      Quote: HefeДМБ69
      Never mind our electronic warfare, the best electronic warfare in the world, non-analogues! Just like in the old ditty, They removed the doors from the matan and took the cow away, and ordered the matan - don't tell anyone! Glory to Gerasimov!

      Why panic if, in fact, domestic electronic warfare is actually one of the strongest in the world. Just having at hand such an aggressive military bloc as NATO, you need to constantly be in good shape and work without slowing down on improving weapons, including electronic warfare, and not liquidate military schools and academies, and also not drive into poverty the specialists of civilian universities who worked, including under the program for the development and application of new electronic warfare products in Russia.
      1. +14
        28 February 2023 12: 09
        do not drive into poverty the specialists of civil universities

        like in a fairy tale about Emelya - to lie on the stove (on the beach in Turkey) and have the best of everything - so that the pike (free scientists) does everything by magic
    3. +5
      28 February 2023 14: 08
      and the mother was ordered

      - Well, I did. Well, right away. And what? And what kind of reaction should I have if at three o'clock in the morning a naked man climbs into bed and says "Quiet! It's necessary!" ??
    4. -3
      1 March 2023 09: 41
      this is such a cunning plan (((right now the West will see that we are almost Romanians in battle and will fall in a crowd, and we will live with their slippers like cockroaches and tady))
  3. +8
    28 February 2023 10: 59
    I don't want to take the risk

    Why do you need a drone that does not fly?
    1. +28
      28 February 2023 11: 05
      Quote: Rage66
      Why do you need a drone that does not fly?

      For the general's report - "We have!"
      1. +42
        28 February 2023 11: 11
        For the general's report - "We have!"
        And here the generals, the Ministry of Defense has relieved itself of the obligation to supply the troops with everything they could, including civilian drones, they are more interested in beards and drill. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in just a year turned into a "set" of separate field units, PMCs, volunteers mobilized on a direct balance sheet from civilians and on self-sufficiency, if civilians could buy tanks with Sarmatians, we now chipped in on them ...
        1. +7
          28 February 2023 11: 34
          What country, such is the Ministry of Defense and its Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
          1. 0
            1 March 2023 19: 57
            Are you talking about your dill now? So you have a problem there not only with the Ministry of Defense and the commander-in-chief, the whole state is a complete misunderstanding.
        2. +6
          28 February 2023 12: 40
          Here in the article it is also written about Orlans
        3. 0
          2 March 2023 01: 21
          War always brings surprises. There, even the modern, publicized US army fled Afghanistan, losing slippers. But war is also a good teacher, who tells you what is most necessary for war at this level. When preparing for any war, you will never take everything into account, no matter how much you want it. But Russians learn fast.
      2. +11
        28 February 2023 11: 23
        And before all the checks, this drone will be repainted! To look like new. soldier
    2. +11
      28 February 2023 11: 06
      If you don't risk a drone, you risk Dimon. The weapon must shoot
  4. +15
    28 February 2023 11: 05
    Well, our "birds" are being taken away, but then why do they fly? Who shouted about the backwardness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in technical terms? It’s not like we were preparing for the First World War, but now they are already openly talking about balloons.
    1. +11
      28 February 2023 11: 14
      Quote from Silver99
      Well, our "birds" are being taken away, but then why do they fly?

      Okay, read on. Their drones are extinguished in the same way. In war, as in war. Losses on both sides. And if you carefully read the article, you will see that the losses are no longer from the enemy, but from their own. The eternal Russian army mess has not gone away.
    2. +3
      1 March 2023 04: 52
      On one TG channel, three complexes of Ukrainian electronic warfare against drones have already been described - Polonaise, Enclave and Bukovel. And apparently their release is well debugged and they are available in very large quantities.
    3. 0
      1 March 2023 16: 29
      Mobs are regularly shown in the box that either shot down or stole suburban drones ... They use an anti-drone gun .. There are complaints - a short distance (up to a kilometer) and the absence of a normal sight. million "and in practical conditions you need decent optics (the target is small, the effective radiation cone is small)
  5. +10
    28 February 2023 11: 07
    "What will Kaltenbrunner say to that?" ... for some reason it came to mind
    Suddenly, it turned out that in a real war, even the enemy can see how the electronics are arranged there, what kind of generator-transformers are there ... and wind up the answer. Where is the cosmic grouping that boasts before the females in the wall of the aquarium? But in general, over their own territory, they could watch and report in real time. And the fact that semaphores were not laid between units on adjacent sections of the front is some kind of shame. In general, it’s better to find out what your underpants look like on this CBO than to come to a big showdown and find out that something is wrong.
  6. +3
    28 February 2023 11: 07
    Is it possible to somehow determine where the signal comes from to the drone? Or is it difficult? Well, extinguish the operator.
    1. -1
      28 February 2023 12: 34
      where is the signal coming from to the drone
      Come on and extinguish the operator
      Let's say if from Zelensky's bunker?
      Or from some bridge.
  7. +31
    28 February 2023 11: 10
    And how nicely they fought in social networks when they discussed the story about the Khibiny and Donald Cook!

    "Having approached the destroyer, the Khibiny turned off its radar, combat control circuits, data transmission systems - in short, they turned off the entire Aegis, just as we turn off the TV by pressing a button on the remote control."
    Remember these lines? By the way, some still believe in it.
    We love fairy tales ... we compose them ourselves, and we ourselves believe. Seriously, selflessly, to the point of insanity!
    1. KCA
      +3
      28 February 2023 12: 10
      Future tyrnet "military correspondents" came up with the Khibiny, from the very beginning it was known that Cook made a U-turn after irradiating the radar for detecting targets of the Bal and Bastion DBKs, no electronic warfare systems were used
      1. +6
        28 February 2023 13: 18
        You read this from some other future tyrnet military correspondent, he didn’t do any “turn after irradiation”, went according to his plan and went where he needed to, like everyone else does in international waters.
        Not to mention the fact that the Radar is not part of the Bala.
    2. -7
      28 February 2023 14: 02
      Quote from sdivt
      And how nicely they fought in social networks when they discussed the story about the Khibiny and Donald Cook!

      This myth has long been dispelled. There were no "Khibiny" there. From which chest with mothballs do you pull it out into the light again?
      1. +13
        28 February 2023 18: 13
        "Didn't you say"? Yes, here in VO a whole sect of witnesses to the "Mighty" Khibiny "and the cowardly" Cook "" raged! It was raging - like - “we are like them! Our electronic warfare systems are the best in the world! Half of the “Kuka” team after the “Khibiny” in Romania was decommissioned from fear! Our electronic warfare will crush all GPS, all control, detection, guidance and communication systems the enemy! They will cover our troops with an "electronic umbrella"! We will minus all those who doubt this! Well, and all that sort of thing and in the same vein .... Yes
  8. +3
    28 February 2023 11: 10
    And who is filming the use of Lancets and Krasnopoles. Or is it the filming archives.
    1. +4
      28 February 2023 12: 19
      And who removes the use of Lancets and Krasnopoles

      You can’t use Krasnopol without Orlan ((If Eagles don’t fly, then how is Krasnopol used?
      1. 0
        28 February 2023 18: 33
        Hands. Specially trained or not highly trained fighters.
      2. 0
        1 March 2023 23: 53
        Krasnopol, however, is quite induced from a ground-based NP. He does not need any Orlan for aiming at targets and shooting.
  9. HAM
    +4
    28 February 2023 11: 13
    Pushkin was right when he said that: ".... and experience is the son of difficult mistakes ..."
    If there were no NWO, the understanding of the importance of communications, drones and interaction would not have come ... yes, and much more.
    1. +8
      28 February 2023 11: 25
      And as before, we were proud of the parade grounds in the Kremlin. Yes, several samples of modern technology on Red Square ...
    2. +14
      28 February 2023 11: 26
      So right there on Topvar, they grinned "What kind of drones are they, why do we need them, we have electronic warfare, we'll just shoot them down." But now it turned out that they are very much needed. and drown for drones exactly the same people who laughed at them
      1. KCA
        0
        28 February 2023 12: 15
        How many electronic warfare stations are needed to cover the entire 1000 km line of clashes, and even the Crimea and the border of the Russian Federation and Belarus with the outskirts? How many of them are there in the whole world? But the task of protecting other points, for example, Moscow time and the Central region, and the silo, and the nuclear submarine base, and the PGRK base, no one removed
        1. +3
          28 February 2023 13: 59
          In fact, there is such a completely "load-lifting" platform as a heavy balloon .. Which it is quite possible to "raise" over the territory reliably covered by its air defense, to a height of 15 - 20 km. And from it, through the ground control point, LONG and CONTINUOUSLY, conduct both electronic (radio) reconnaissance and electronic countermeasures (fight) against reconnaissance and strike means of the enemy. To a considerable depth and along a wide front...
          1. 0
            1 March 2023 23: 56
            And on the second night, an S-50 will sneak up closer than 300 km to it laughing
            1. 0
              2 March 2023 12: 52
              I recommend sleeping at night. And carefully read what you post your comments on ...

              "Sneak up", all the more - "imperceptibly", for 50 km., To an element of the system, CONTINUOUSLY monitoring the situation for a hundred or more kilometers. in depth (i.e. practically, on the scale of a particular theater, - "beyond the horizon", and the salt is wide, along the front and in a range of heights, from meters to kilometers, it is rather difficult ...
    3. +6
      28 February 2023 11: 29
      The great Pushkin also has other lines about US AND OUR LEADERSHIP "Oh, it's not hard to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived"
    4. +2
      28 February 2023 13: 35
      Beautifully said about the connection.
      35 years ago they lagged behind and Serdyukov put things in order.
      Or raised military communications to unprecedented heights.
      And Shoigu supported.
      Interaction and protocols are not walkie-talkies and ta57 ... probably "coordination"? Not on the ground, unfortunately
  10. +16
    28 February 2023 11: 19
    Well, if it’s not an article, then again - what’s the trouble with this, then it’s also bad here, and here again everything is wrong. To be honest, the entire top of the Moscow Region should be dispersed into three necks, and it is better to plant for many years. For the fact that the army is not equipped, armed and not provided with the way they have been telling since 2013.
    1. +6
      28 February 2023 12: 48
      Somehow we have too many generals, probably nowhere else
  11. +2
    28 February 2023 11: 19
    We are already starting. Here, in fact, the construction of a real modern army begins. Thanks to the military commissars and people's analysts, problems are being identified. Before their decision, it’s still like before the moon, but the road will be mastered by the walking one!
    1. +7
      28 February 2023 11: 58
      Quote from Kuziming
      We are already starting. Here, in fact, the construction of a real modern army begins. Thank you

      And what is this expressed in?
    2. +1
      28 February 2023 13: 53
      Do you think we have time for this? Apparently they won't let anyone build anything
    3. +2
      28 February 2023 14: 34
      Friend, listen! Sorry for the amok. The road, according to the MO, has already been passed. But, as practice has shown... It has shown a lot. Though a wolf howl. We don't have time now to master the road. As you can see, the Stalinist methods of management can change the situation. Jokes aside.
  12. +3
    28 February 2023 11: 25
    The usual thing. This was to be expected. There is a constant competition of means of attack and defense. The author fixes the temporary advantage of the means of protection. I am not a great specialist in this matter, but when working with drones, the installation of a friend-foe system and secure communication channels has been asking for a long time. As such, you can consider communication with your drones only through repeaters, which must be located at an altitude of at least 500 m near the line of contact outside the reach of enemy air defenses with a visible horizon radius of 100 km or more. Such a connection will allow organizing centralized control over friendly drones and will make it possible to coordinate their work with electronic warfare. On the carriers of such repeaters, which can be balloons or aircraft-type drones, locators and optical means for reconnaissance and targeting of weapons in automatic mode can also be installed.
    1. +3
      28 February 2023 13: 07
      installation of a friend-foe system and secure communication channels

      This has long been used on modern drones of the US, Israeli, European, and Chinese armies. They have been seriously engaged in this for 30-35 years. It has only now dawned on our armchair generals that UAVs are not toys and pampering, but a serious weapon that the army cannot do without. So we are just starting to move in the right direction. And the road is still ahead, with innumerable problems. The main ones are the lack of their components, electronic base, engines, batteries, etc. In the meantime, they are forced to use ersatz drones of Chinese origin, which have a civilian purpose and do not have any secure communication. Repeaters on balloons and UAVs will not solve the communication problem. The vulnerabilities will remain. Drones must have satellite communications. You can't just shut it down like that. neither our electronic warfare, nor others.
      1. -3
        1 March 2023 08: 39
        Satellite communications are jammed very simply .... One start of an alliance with a truck of nails and in a week the space is clean
        1. +1
          1 March 2023 15: 43
          You are clearly far from understanding how satellite communications work. ))) How, for example, to fly to the GSO with these nails and, at the same time, have amazing speed? And, even in the case of LEOs, you lack an understanding of orbital mechanics (how to aim at a particular orbit). About how to attach KamAZ to the Union ... just kidding, just kidding, how to turn Progress into a carrier and, most importantly, a nail spreader, I suppose you won’t tell us clearly either?
        2. +1
          1 March 2023 15: 45
          And, most importantly, how can we communicate with ourselves then? In this "clean" space?
    2. 0
      1 March 2023 04: 35
      On the carriers of such repeaters, which can be balloons or aircraft-type drones, locators and optical means for reconnaissance and targeting of weapons in automatic mode can also be installed.

      This resource has already discussed the possibilities of other repeaters and reconnaissance equipment - quadrocopters, the power of which is transmitted via a thin cable, communication is also via cable. They can be located both in the near zone to the LBS, and in the rear. Among the advantages of such a solution:
      1. Continuity of intelligence and communication, no need to recharge the battery.
      2. A reliable communication channel, it is impossible to intercept or crush it.
      3. Low price.
      I see only one drawback: such devices are still not widely used!
  13. +5
    28 February 2023 11: 29
    "Taking" the drone is not the biggest problem. It is worse when mortars and artillery work out on the operator. It is possible to identify the location of a civilian drone operator at a time, of course, if the necessary RER tools are available. This negates the use of drones in some sectors of the front.
  14. 0
    28 February 2023 11: 30
    AND TO CHANGE YOUR OWN AND ANOTHER EVERY DAY IT IS NOT FATE TO GUESS TO DO. AS ON PLANES!! PASSWORD REVIEW.
  15. +6
    28 February 2023 11: 38
    Yes, of course! On paper, everything is fine and even great! Weapons - the most modern, ammunition - heaps, communications - excellent, intelligence - excellent, headquarters - the smartest. But, as the classic said: "... but, you turn it on, it doesn't work ...".
  16. +4
    28 February 2023 12: 13
    "listed only on paper", colleagues, but there is nothing surprising in this. Show-off and boasting have no boundaries
    There was even a publication about this in the Perits magazine, a case was described there: a selector was installed in some trust, but the secretary also carried notes on paper .. And someone reported for the selector.
    Here is the same
  17. +4
    28 February 2023 13: 17
    Soon they will say, "I do not want to risk shells ..."
    If there are not enough drones, you need to buy them for petrodollars in Asia or the Middle East. Iran will gladly sell any military equipment, just fight.
  18. 0
    28 February 2023 14: 26
    Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
    What country, such is the Ministry of Defense and its Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

    Colleagues, fear God, well, a person of 70 years of age cannot be an effective manager not only of the country, but of any even a small enterprise. This is nonsense! Brains "stone" and the psyche becomes "childish". It was not in vain that in the USSR they made calculations on the retirement of a person: no more than 65 years. Then only work in the locker room or as a janitor.
    1. +3
      28 February 2023 18: 42
      Have you tried being a janitor?
    2. +1
      1 March 2023 02: 24
      They are all on drugs. Even a self-propelled grandfather is lifted from a swoon to a press conference for a couple of hours
    3. +2
      1 March 2023 08: 42
      On the contrary ... Professor Savelyev, a brain researcher, assures that a man begins to think properly when his sexual function stops working .....
      And on the topic of 65 years ... I'm 67, sores just start to crawl out and you start not so much thinking as getting sick
    4. +1
      1 March 2023 11: 24
      This, of course, is not true. If the brain is trained, it can do a lot.
    5. -1
      1 March 2023 23: 00
      Especially the members of the Politburo were all young and energetic
  19. +2
    28 February 2023 14: 27
    "For our part, we note that for many years the Ministry of Defense has been declaring the high efficiency of modern automated command and control systems being introduced into the army. It is the ACCS that should be responsible for horizontal communications between various units on the battlefield."
    Yeah, right now ... Reality has shown otherwise. Well, how much can you? request I really hope that we do not have such "paper" performance characteristics in nuclear deterrence systems. I really hope.
  20. 0
    28 February 2023 14: 29
    I always take constructive criticism. And he himself is not averse to criticizing sometimes ... but you need to understand the difference!
    Personally, it immediately seemed to me that this all-out-of-the-way news about how terrible everything was was somehow smelly... and when I saw that it was illustrated by the Slavoukrainian video at the end, I realized that it didn’t seem :)
    (then I checked this news on the Internet. It turned out that all the resources that posted it were 1-2 hours ago, and in a more truncated form. And it appeared on VO 3 hours ago. This means that everyone who posted it - I just took it from VO. And my confidence in her decreased even more)

    In general, I notice over the past couple of days the activation of cissota on the site. One after another, such frankly all-propal articles are published, in which the main thesis sticks out from every line: "Katz offers to surrender! If we do not surrender now, then they will simply destroy us."
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  22. +1
    28 February 2023 15: 13
    Quote: VladMirU
    Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
    What country, such is the Ministry of Defense and its Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

    Colleagues, fear God, well, a person of 70 years of age cannot be an effective manager not only of the country, but of any even a small enterprise. This is nonsense! Brains "stone" and the psyche becomes "childish". It was not in vain that in the USSR they made calculations on the retirement of a person: no more than 65 years. Then only work in the locker room or as a janitor.

    Do you offer Biden to work as a janitor?
  23. 0
    28 February 2023 18: 09
    This is the other side of saturating troops with drones. Again, a fighter with binoculars reconnaissance with his feet takes the 1st place.
  24. +2
    28 February 2023 21: 12
    Quote: VladMirU
    It was not in vain that in the USSR they made calculations on the retirement of a person: no more than 65 years. Then only work in the locker room or as a janitor.

    Future cloakroom attendants from the USSR Politburo
  25. +1
    1 March 2023 01: 22
    the suppression of drones by means of electronic warfare requires a change in the tactics of their use: reducing the range of use. Civilian drones should become disposable and be used as kamikaze: they saw the target, fell on it and exploded.
    .
    Shame and shame. Siluanov cannot find $40 million to buy 40 of these drones every month.
    .
    EW countermeasures for more expensive drones are diverse and, for the most part, simple. Appoint those in charge, ensure secrecy, announce an idea competition, pay bonuses to participants...
    1. -1
      1 March 2023 04: 23
      Russia is a space power. (?)
      Drones must be controlled via GloNass.
      Or did the Ministry of Defense not hear about it?
      1. +1
        1 March 2023 11: 50
        Heard heard, but "how to cook" - not heard! Like, all this is pampering, we have rockets!
    2. 0
      1 March 2023 04: 41
      Shame and shame. Siluanov cannot find $40 million to buy 40 of these drones every month.

      Yeah, of course, Siluanov is to blame! What kind of nonsense? It's about as if some enterprise would fail the production program, blame the chief accountant for this! Maybe look for the guilty in the Moscow Region, the General Staff and the Ministry of Industry and Trade?
    3. Eug
      +1
      1 March 2023 06: 49
      "saw the target - fell on it and exploded"
      And the target may be the source of attempts to intercept control ...
  26. +1
    1 March 2023 04: 20
    Ministry of Defense - thieves and saboteurs in stripes.
    They think only about their villas and children abroad.
    Does anyone actually check them for loyalty?
    1. +1
      2 March 2023 06: 39
      Loyalty to whom? To the vertical of power? They are loyal, but loyalty and competence are two different things.
  27. 0
    1 March 2023 04: 38
    Somehow you can solve this problem by controlling the drone by wire.
  28. Eug
    0
    1 March 2023 06: 45
    The problem of awareness of the flight of "one's own" drone again rests on the level of control, I wonder how things are with the issue of calling artillery support?
    1. 0
      2 March 2023 00: 03
      Every platoon commander has a walkie-talkie. What more is required?
  29. 0
    1 March 2023 12: 30
    First of all, it is necessary to establish communication, coordination of interaction and centralized control of the battlefield in order to avoid friendly interception by neighbors. The problem with these components of modern warfare is fraught not only with the loss of drones, but also with much more significant problems.
  30. -1
    1 March 2023 12: 34
    ACCS brilliantly appeared in ostentatious maneuvers when there was no opposition or it was only imitated. But in a real battle, as it turned out ... in general, it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines, and walk along them (L.N. Tolstoy).
  31. 0
    1 March 2023 12: 53
    Well, as always - communication, control and interaction of different types of troops on the front line - a weak point.
    From war to war...
    In addition, there is also a "re-grading" - a bunch of all kinds of UAVs - civilian, home-made, produced by the military-industrial complex
  32. -1
    1 March 2023 13: 49
    Generals, as always, are ready only for past wars.
    And in a modern war, while some general begins to move his brains in the right direction, more than one hundred fighters can die.
    It also turns out with drones, the guys at the front end are forced to come up with means of anti-drone combat and protection of their drones themselves.
    Although even 5-6 years ago it was clear that only the same drones armed and equipped with special equipment for "air combat" can fight drones most effectively.
    But the idea was considered stupid and abandoned, deciding to rely on ground-based electronic warfare systems.
    The current situation has shown that those guys who invented the "drone fighter" were right
  33. 0
    1 March 2023 16: 54
    Quote: VladMirU
    Quote: Evgeny Ivanov_5
    What country, such is the Ministry of Defense and its Supreme Commander-in-Chief.

    Colleagues, fear God, well, a person of 70 years of age cannot be an effective manager not only of the country, but of any even a small enterprise. This is nonsense! Brains "stone" and the psyche becomes "childish". It was not in vain that in the USSR they made calculations on the retirement of a person: no more than 65 years. Then only work in the locker room or as a janitor.

    - And Volodin's mother? She became a business genius only by the age of 90!
  34. 0
    2 March 2023 13: 36
    An interesting movie turns out.
    The first point: the enemy is very actively and successfully using UAVs, there are a lot of video confirmations of this. And ours not only use mainly civilian UAVs, they also extinguish their own. The problems of the Ministry of Defense are in their terrible bureaucracy, lack of flexibility and speed in solving new problems. Well, there are no UAVs in large quantities, what a problem it is to buy Chinese drone carcasses and attach your communication channel to them, organize a temporary and territorial corridor for use by electronic warfare, put a visible mark "friend or foe" with certain paint and LEDs.
    The second point: the article was written by a person who is not very knowledgeable
    Technically, gunners are advised to use the drone only on a strong leash and equip drones with GPS trackers, for example, ordinary children's watches with a corresponding application on the phone, which will report their location in the event of a landing.
    . What nafig children's watches and phones with applications ??? For a long time there have been autonomous GPS tags smaller than a matchbox, as well as small radio tags. And smartphones are generally prohibited in NWO!!!
  35. 0
    3 March 2023 10: 12
    Quote: Azim77
    can implement an autonomous ability to return to base, in the absence of control communication?

    So, for a long time this option has been on the cheap flight controller "Nasa" and "Nasa-Light". The more expensive ones, definitely.
  36. 0
    3 March 2023 10: 59
    UAVs must be mined! 50 gr. quite enough. For example, the motors stopped not by a code signal, or the connection simply disappeared - initiation! Well, or in some other way and method!
  37. 0
    3 March 2023 11: 15
    Will the anti-drone suppress the analog signal? Can you take a step back?
  38. 0
    6 March 2023 13: 32
    And there is not enough lyam to warn his units along the route of the drone or there is no connection, a hundred is also unlikely.