Rosatom has started testing the domestic PC "Bober" on the processor "Baikal"

Due to the tense geopolitical situation and the sanctions policy of the West, Russian companies are beginning to switch to domestic electronics. Such an approach will not only spur Russian manufacturers, but also provide additional security for critical data.

As it became known, Rosenergoatom (the energy division of Rosatom) has started testing the domestic PC Bober on the Baikal processor. At the moment, the company has purchased a "trial" batch of devices, but in the future it plans to completely switch to these devices, the press service of Rosenergoatom reports.

Recall that the Russian company Delta Computers is engaged in the production of personal computers "Beaver". The device operates on the domestic processor "Baikal-M", developed on the basis of the ARM architecture. The chip is created using a 28-nanometer process technology and has 8 cores up to 1,5 GHz.

The manufacturer's website indicates that the case of the system unit is produced in mini format. The PC configuration depends on the needs of the customer. The manufacturer claims support for up to 64 GB of DDR4 RAM and up to 16 TB of SSD + HDD physical memory. The site also talks about the possibility of connecting low-profile video cards via a PCIe 3.0x8 connector.

The case has almost all commonly used connectors, including 6 USB: 2 generations 3.0 and 4 more - 2.0, as well as HDMI.

The above assembly operates on operating systems from Base Alt and ASTRA.

According to Oleg Shalnov, head of the IT project management and integration department at Rosenergoatom, the company's transition to computers operating on domestic chips is an extremely important step that will ensure technological independence for such an important industry as nuclear energy.

Comments

[Blackmokona]

What's the point? Baikal-M were made in Taiwan. No longer produced due to sanctions. There are no productions at 28 nm in Russia.
"Media: Taiwan refused to produce Russian Baikal processors"
https://ria.ru/20220616/protsessor-1795691637.html

[Zaurbek]

What was made in Taiwan, measured in Nm, can be made in China. Another thing is that CHIPs made according to Western AMD or x86 architectures have inherent vulnerabilities.
Rosatom, by the way, acquired the developer Elbrus. For industrial and military needs, size 64Nm - "above the roof". The main problems in this industry are in our own officials, who do not give orders and do not allow developers to look ahead. And Intel and AMD and Chinese assemblies are lobbying.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Zaurbek

What was made in Taiwan, measured in Nm, can be made in China. Another thing is that CHIPs made according to Western AMD or x86 architectures have inherent vulnerabilities.
Rosatom, by the way, acquired the developer Elbrus. For industrial and military needs, size 64Nm - "above the roof". The main problems in this industry are in our own officials, who do not give orders and do not allow developers to look ahead. And Intel and AMD and Chinese assemblies are lobbying.

1. China is currently refusing, no contracts have been signed with it.
2. The better the technical process, the better the performance characteristics of the product. You can make a chip with less power consumption and size, which will make the homing head smaller, which means you can cram more fuel or explosives. You can give more power, which will allow you to hit more accurately and better weed out false targets, etc. All these will suffice, only from poverty. The better the technology, the better for the military. Especially now with the transition to robotic armies. With armies of UAVs, and other things.

[Wedmak]

The better the technical process, the better the performance characteristics of the product. You can make a chip with less power consumption and size, which will make the homing head smaller, which means you can cram more fuel or explosives.

Not certainly in that way. The thinner the technical process, the more vulnerable the electronics become. What works in a smartphone is not a fact that it will work in the GOS. And even in some kind of caliber. No wonder there are different requirements for the use of electronic components in various fields.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Wedmak

The better the technical process, the better the performance characteristics of the product. You can make a chip with less power consumption and size, which will make the homing head smaller, which means you can cram more fuel or explosives.

Not certainly in that way. The thinner the technical process, the more vulnerable the electronics become. What works in a smartphone is not a fact that it will work in the GOS. And even in some kind of caliber. No wonder there are different requirements for the use of electronic components in various fields.

On the contrary, the thinner the technical process, the more stable the electronics.

Another myth is that modern technical processes are less radiation-resistant

The chance of getting an error in a particular transistor is proportional to its volume, and it decreases rapidly with decreasing technology (because transistors become not only smaller in area, but also thinner). In addition, an anomalous increase in radiation resistance with modern thicknesses of gate dielectrics (3 nm or less) was noted.

In general, modern stable technical processes (65nm and less) routinely produce microcircuits that can withstand a radiation dose of 1 million rad, which exceeds all reasonable requirements for durability. Resistant to latch and software errors - achieved through triple-well and special architectural solutions.

https://habr.com/ru/post/156049/

[Grandfather]

Quote: Wedmak

Not certainly in that way. The thinner the technical process, the more vulnerable the electronics become.

Quote: BlackMokona

On the contrary, the thinner the technical process, the more stable the electronics.

here we talked.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Dead Day

Quote: Wedmak

Not certainly in that way. The thinner the technical process, the more vulnerable the electronics become.

Quote: BlackMokona

On the contrary, the thinner the technical process, the more stable the electronics.

here we talked.

Only on the one hand there was an unfounded statement, but my quote, backed up by a link to an IT resource.

[Wedmak]

From the same article:
Disclaimer: Information obtained from public sources and may not be entirely accurate. I personally do not work with military electronics, and those who work cannot write those articles. I will be glad to supplement and correct the article.
Is it worth trusting an article with such a signature?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Wedmak

From the same article:
Disclaimer: Information obtained from public sources and may not be entirely accurate. I personally do not work with military electronics, and those who work cannot write those articles. I will be glad to supplement and correct the article.
Is it worth trusting an article with such a signature?

Just a very good signature. When they shout, I am a seer, an oracle, I know everything, a specialist 100500, and so on. That usually the dude knows absolutely nothing and carries selective nonsense.

[Gnefredov]

Quote: BlackMokona

Only on the one hand there was an unfounded statement, but my quote, backed up by a link to an IT resource.

And on a solid and detailed material. Thanks for the link :)

[Wedmak]

Strange article from 2012. Even if you look at modern smartphones, where the technical process is less - from any sneeze they fall into a brick.
And it's not even about radiation, there is also an external protection needed, but resistance to accelerations, vibrations and overloads. And the small technical process keeps temperature loads worse.

[Fabrizio]

Even if you look at modern smartphones, where the technical process is less - from any sneeze they fall into a brick.

What are these smartphones? In general, for the last ten years, smartphones have been very "tenacious" with me and fell into the sea, in the sun under the windshield of the car lay red-hot and nothing works for itself.

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Fabrizio

Even if you look at modern smartphones, where the technical process is less - from any sneeze they fall into a brick.

What are these smartphones? In general, for the last ten years, smartphones have been very "tenacious" with me and fell into the sea, in the sun under the windshield of the car lay red-hot and nothing works for itself.

Yes, and it’s not the processors that break down there, to put it mildly. Plus, secure smartphones are on sale and it’s not difficult to see what is being added there. Reinforced frame, tightness, rubber pads to soften shocks and a stronger glass.

[Wedmak]

Has your smartphone experienced dozens of G overloads? Cold -40? Heat +70? Vibrations in different planes with a high frequency? Pressure 10-20-20 atmospheres? microwave radiation?
I didn’t shout that I was an oracle: but the fact that the military is in no hurry to switch to more subtle technical processes is not at all due to the lack of such production in our country.

[Fabrizio]

Cold -40? Heat +70

I experienced cold -20 in the Alps, +70 also in the car on the windshield, there were vibrations from the fall, there was no microwave. But you write as if civilian UAVs that are widely used in the NWO will pass such tests.

I didn’t shout that I was an oracle: but the fact that the military is in no hurry to switch to more subtle technical processes is not at all due to the lack of such production in our country.

To a greater extent, only for this, in UAVs, radio stations, all kinds of surveillance systems, control of AWACS aircraft, modern microelectronics are needed, according to new processes.

[barbos]

Experience with domestic military electronics from lamp to microchip suggests that it will not pull out the specified climate.
By the way, why even conditional domestic electronics can withstand a pressure of 20 atm? Are you going to dive with R-105?

[TANKISTONE]

Wedmak (Denis) And it's not even about radiation, there is also an external protection needed, but resistance to accelerations, vibrations and overloads. And the small technical process keeps temperature loads worse.

Are we switching to electric vacuum devices? They have a technical process T-o-o-lsty!

[Wedmak]

If it were not for the dimensions of the lamps and their consumption ... but unfortunately, analog technology cannot compete with digital.

[barbos]

So we need digital lamps! We need to force our scientists to urgently develop digital lamps (sarcasm). And then we will have a warm lamp figure. The computer can be used not only for calculating sines and cosines, but also for heating rooms.

[Fabrizio]

What works in a smartphone is not a fact that it will work in the GOS.

If it is directly soldered from a smartphone, then most likely it will not work, but in general, modern microelectronics using the 28nm process technology is used in military and near-military applications, satellites, UAVs, radar / air defense control systems, on-board electronics of aircraft, tanks, etc.

[Argon]

If you don’t understand, then don’t bother climbing with comments! Better go play your tanks on super computers, and leave yours to the military!

[Dart]

Golden words!
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

The 14nm process technology will save a lot of space for explosives if it is used instead of 90nm ??))) I think 40-100 grams ... electricity in rockets is infinite ... it is generated due to the flight of the rocket itself

[Fabrizio]

A lot when you need to implement image recognition, encrypted communication, etc. to the receiver.

[WIKI]

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

Will the 14nm process technology save a lot of space for explosives if it is used instead of 90nm ??

It's not about the space it takes, but about the speed of the calculation. Elbrus-8SV (the current processor for today, the number of transistors is 3 billion. AMD Epyc Rome fits 5 billion transistors. A processor that can accommodate only 39,54 million transistors will work much slower than one that contains 1 million

[former soldier]

The better the technical process, the better the performance characteristics of the product. You can make a chip with less power consumption and size, which will make the homing head smaller, which means you can cram more fuel or explosives. You can give more power, which will allow you to hit more accurately and better weed out decoys, etc.

Everything is so, but this does not mean that you do not need to produce anything, but wait for the most advanced technologies to appear. Well, the GOS will not weigh 1kg, but 2, so what? The charge means it will be 29kg instead of 30. Naturally, in parallel with production, more advanced technologies should be brought up.

[Ermak_Timofeich]

You can make a chip with less power consumption and size, which will make the homing head smaller, which means you can cram more fuel or explosives.

Excuse me, but before spouting nonsense about additional fuel and explosives, can you visually distinguish between a 28 and 64 Nm processor? Do you have any idea about them?

[spektr9]

For industrial and military needs, size 64Nm - "above the roof"

There is just one problem: only one 64 nm chip production line was ordered in the Russian Federation in 2014, and there is no more capacity.
So the size may be higher than the roof, but the cat cried chips

[poquello]

Quote: spektr9

For industrial and military needs, size 64Nm - "above the roof"

There is just one problem: only one 64 nm chip production line was ordered in the Russian Federation in 2014, and there is no more capacity.
So the size may be higher than the roof, but the cat cried chips

and does that mean anything? Huawei has patented its lithograph, and what we have in secret in the near future will remain secret, and rockets fly out like pencils

[Fabrizio]

Another thing is that CHIPs made according to Western AMD or x86 architectures have inherent vulnerabilities.

Can you demonstrate these vulnerabilities?

Rosatom, by the way, acquired the developer Elbrus. For industrial and military needs, size 64Nm - "above the roof".

There is no higher than the roof, even in full growth, the problem of price, time between failures, energy consumption, and in Russia there is no production of chips on the 64 nm process technology.

[barbos]

Can you demonstrate these vulnerabilities?

From what I have seen, this is a weakened hardware pseudo-random number generator from Intel. Only that was a long time ago. One can recall the CIA's malice over the chips that were supplied for our oil industry back in the USSR.
On the other hand, we simply do not fully know how the processor works. At least take the branch prediction system and data prefetching, it usually goes as a trade secret.
Here the problem is different - how to activate the bookmarks embedded in the processor? It may be in an isolated circuit. which cannot be reached. And after the incident at Iranian nuclear facilities, even ours could draw the appropriate conclusions. I understand that this sounds strange.

in Russia there is no production of chips on the 64 nm process technology.

Yes, you calm down. We really do not have 90 nm. Although on this technical process it was possible to slap a bunch of consumer goods. Vaughn Sber was picking out chips for plastic cards last year. Not to mention problems with chips for Troika cards and SIM cards. We would like to build stable 120 nm.

[Fabrizio]

Here the problem is different - how to activate the bookmarks embedded in the processor? It may be in an isolated circuit. which cannot be reached.

In chips, no one in their right mind will make bookmarks, this is stupid and pointless, firstly, it is difficult to keep such information secret within the company and it will leak sooner or later, and secondly, these bookmarks will be found by reversers who do just that.

And after the incident at Iranian nuclear facilities, even ours could draw the appropriate conclusions. I understand that this sounds strange.

This was not a hardware problem, but a software one and another issue of security organization and the direct hands of administrators. You may have an ideal processor, but if the admin has set up remote access and the password is 1234, then nothing will help. Or as an example "hacking Sapsan":

https://habr.com/ru/post/476034/

[Mazunga]

yeah)))) the news came Tinkoff got under sanctions as a result we have that Amer’s that Chinese shares are now not traded Amer’s, it’s clear why but Chinese))?

[Luka Nord]

Quote: Zaurbek

The main problems in this industry are in our own officials, who do not give orders and do not allow developers to look ahead. And Intel and AMD and Chinese assemblies are lobbying.

I also agree with you .. Lobbies are different in Russia, they are still very strong and they are sitting on the salary .. And you need your own computers in Russia!

[Revolver]

Quote: Zaurbek

lobbying Intel and AMD

Like it or not, Windows on Intel or AMD is the world standard. Yes, perhaps not the best, but what it is, and with everything else, even Apple, software compatibility issues rise to their full height.
By the way, are there Windows drivers for Baikal and Elbrus? Or only for homebrew versions of Linux?

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

Like it or not, Windows on Intel or AMD is the world standard.

Don't tell my slippers, Linux works under any hardware

[AdAstra]

Yeah, yeah, right under "any" and no "dancing with tambourines"

[AdAstra]

Only. "" "" ""

[Sergey3]

Now they are stamped by Malaysia or Vietnam. They also have factories for the production of processors.

[Akim]

Quote: Zaurbek

Another thing is that CHIPs made according to Western AMD or x86 architectures have inherent vulnerabilities.

The article is about the Baikal M processor, it does not smell of either the x86 architecture or the RISC architecture that AMD uses. There is ARM architecture, which, by the way, is not easier - the British can revoke the license at any time. A PC based on ARM processor, and not even on the best process technology (advanced processors like Qualcomm's Gen 8+ use 4nm process technology) - well, that's it ...

[Edik]

Quote: BlackMokona

There are no productions at 28 nm in Russia.

The ISTC is building a plant in Zelenograd.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Edik

Quote: BlackMokona

There are no productions at 28 nm in Russia.

The ISTC is building a plant in Zelenograd.

Builds a plant to produce, not yet developed equipment for the production of 28 nm processors. There is no technology yet, but the building is already under construction. And then they will rebuild when it turns out that other premises are needed. If at all they successfully develop, and do not saw the money.

[Fabrizio]

If everything goes well, the factory/factory with the technical process will be ready for mass production in 2030. This is according to the plans of the Russian government, that is, in seven years, despite the fact that 28nm is no longer considered advanced technology, leading manufacturers have mastered it back in 2004.

[Starover_Z]

Due to the tense geopolitical situation and the sanctions policy of the West, Russian companies are beginning to switch to domestic electronics.

In order to move faster for the development of domestic electronics, it is necessary for all ministers, their deputies, assistants, secretaries, as well as for all governors and all their states, to install computers on domestic components, even on lamps!
And to go to work on domestic cars!
Maybe then they will start thinking at least something for the country and its defense capability!

[Revolver]

Quote: Starover_Z

it is necessary for all ministers, their deputies, assistants, secretaries, as well as for all governors and all their states to install computers on domestic components
And to go to work on domestic cars!

It will not help, only labor productivity will drop below the plinth. That will help, it is to put Stalin over them. Under him, people's commissars drove "Packards" (who do not know, there was such a foreign car in those days), but they were responsible for their work. Head, and not a transfer to another leadership chair.

[shikin]

Yes, who knows. There are some suspicions that something goes through the gray import: https://dzen.ru/a/Y_TYnyENfSiejNhz. As they say, we'll wait and see.

[Orange Bigg]

And I hope Baikal processors are produced in our country.

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Orange Bigg

And I hope Baikal processors are produced in our country.

They are not produced at all now, anywhere.

[Orange Bigg]

Well, then how are they going to mass-produce a PC without a processor?
Wikipedia says that production went on from autumn 2019 - to winter 2022. There is silence about the manufacturer. History is silent.

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Well, then how are they going to mass-produce a PC without a processor?

No way, as if such trifles once worried officials.

[solar]

Until March 2022, the Baikal and Elbrus processors were produced by the Taiwanese company TSMC. In 2022, foreign companies producing processors on orders from Russia refused to fulfill these orders and ship already produced chips due to international sanctions[62].

[barbos]

Well, then how are they going to mass-produce a PC without a processor?

Looks like we usually do. For example, our cars do this. In fact, if you think about it, there are a lot of examples.

[blackGRAIL]

The only processor produced in our country is the MCST Elbrus 2SM, produced at the Zelenograd Mikron plant using 90 nm technology, 2 cores and 300 MHz.

[Orange Bigg]

And what were they thinking about then? Amazing.

For example, Baikal-M has 16 PCIe lanes (configuration 8+4+4) and up to four network interfaces can be implemented: two more 10-gigabit ones can be “attached” to two gigabit ones (using additional PHY controllers). By comparison, the 1100 AMD Opteron A2016 is the same eight Cortex-A57 cores, but at 2GHz, no video, PCIe x8, two built-in 10Gb/s Ethernet interfaces, and a full 14 SATA ports. In general, the solutions are comparable, although AMD released such a processor much earlier. And both are designed for the TSMC 28-nanometer process technology - localization of semiconductor production in Russia, even according to such standards, is still impossible. So last fall, Baikal-M received the status of an integrated circuit of domestic production of only the second level (in the terminology of the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of August 9, 2016 No. 764) - it is still far from the first level, involving, in particular, production on the territory of the Russian Federation. To all developers. But if nothing is developed, then there will be nothing to produce.

https://www.ixbt.com/platform/baikal-m-pc-review.html

[Blackmokona]

And what were they thinking about then? Amazing.

It is not difficult to guess, the ability to sell processors to the state at 100 times the price list without registration and SMS. Cries about import substitution, protection against bookmarks, and others are attached as a cover for a drink. But building your own microchip factory is difficult, expensive, and why at all? Many firms simply add a sticker to the equipment and everything is already native Russian. So you can send under government contracts for big money

[ALARI]

There is nothing here, but WHAT they thought. Here is the main riddle.

[stelltok]

So more money is invested in sports than in electronics.
What do you want?
1)https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2684459
The construction of the entire Rosa Khutor for the Olympics (including hotels and apartments) cost Interros 69 billion rubles
2)https://www.gazeta.ru/sport/2013/09/27/a_5671213.shtml
The construction of the Formula 1 track in Sochi has doubled in price. Initially, it was estimated at 6,4 billion rubles, but now it has already reached 11 billion.
3) Football expenses
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/05/06/2019/5cf67daf9a7947d8b8a55af2

[Irokez]

The device operates on the domestic processor "Baikal-M", developed on the basis of the ARM architecture. The chip is created using a 28-nanometer process technology and has 8 cores up to 1,5 GHz.

It is interesting to know where this processor is made. If China, then I won’t be surprised, if we have it, then it can’t be. Most likely, the old stocks remained a little from deliveries from Taiwan.

[Arsen1]

Not produced anywhere. Previously made in Taiwan

[Zaurbek]

Apple is also made in the same place, in Taiwan. The design of Baikal and Elbrus is done entirely by us .... Baikal has an architecture licensed from AMD (accordingly, it works quietly on Western software), and Elbrus has its own architecture, requiring adaptation of third-party software and development of its own.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Zaurbek

Apple is also made in the same place, in Taiwan. The design of Baikal and Elbrus is done entirely by us .... Baikal has an architecture licensed from AMD (accordingly, it works quietly on Western software), and Elbrus has its own architecture, requiring adaptation of third-party software and development of its own.

Only Apple gets its chips, and Taiwan no longer sells to us. Since Taiwan is completely dependent on the US country. If the United States ceases to be their friend even for a second, then Taiwan will immediately cease to exist and become part of the PRC. Therefore, the guys cannot even say a word across the opinion of the State Department.

[barbos]

Not only has Taiwan completely stopped deliveries, they are not going to return money for paid, but not shipped goods.

[Reader 2013]

Already funny
........................................

[ximkim]

The project is already a failure, since the replacement. Broken down in one word...
It is a pity.

[Paul Siebert]

I remembered the joke.
Macaque and beaver smoke dope on the river bank.
Beaver for the first time.
The monkey asks: "Dial into the lungs and wait for the arrival? And when to exhale?"
And she told him: "Take a drag, I'll tell you!"
The beaver inhaled and fell silent. And the monkey caught a buzz and passed out.
The beaver endured, endured, spat, exhaled smoke and swam away.
An hour later, the macaque recovered, looking - there was no beaver in the river ... Suddenly bubbles began to appear and in this place a ... crocodile pops up!
The macaque's eyes bulged and she yelled:
"EXHALE, BOBER!!! EXHALE!!!"

[flyer]

It is necessary to amend the Constitution and remove the phrase: "1. The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR." Against the background of the developments of the USSR, all modern Russian initiatives and developments are rubbish, cut, feint with ears, and so on and so forth. How can you claim a multipolar world if all the efforts in the field of electronic computing are worse than most Chinese budget smartphones ...

[Knell wardenheart]

domestic PC "Bober"

"BEAVER", CARL! And then you don’t have to ask why the world is not dominated by our products. People, damn it, called the computer “Beaver”, I don’t know, what kind of beaver do you have to be to come up with this?
Have we not found more inspiring words? It's one thing to call VT like that, but it's a fucking computer!
It seems that this is the company of M. Simonyan, by God ..

[_simply]

Yes, even "Toad" ... The main thing is that it performs its functions.

[Pilot]

Well, Beaver is a good name. In the sense that this "comp" will gnaw your nerves and from the grandmother's budget ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And the fact that Apple has a bitten apple does not bother you?

[Knell wardenheart]

I am not a marketer, but the Apple is a symbol of biblical temptation and at the same time a fairly well-known associative symbol of freshness, taste and conciseness. From the point of view of simplicity and effectiveness of influencing the brains of the layman, this symbol is very good, like other things that cause mostly positive and unambiguously interpreted narrow-minded associations from everyday life.
Here, after all, an important point - with what should the average person have associations for successful sales? With something pleasant and everyday, or with reliability, or with some professional associations, climate, or with some images associated with key elements of the product, etc.
What the "Beaver" is connected with is not clear to me as a layman - this symbol causes me associative chains with building materials, wood, something simple and I would say "clumsy".
As a rule, associations torn off from the purpose of the product or from emotional and aesthetic chains cause a mixture of caution and irony, and as long as this is not a cheap product, it will be in the "-" from the point of view of consumer choice.

Of course, for departmental needs it could be called anything, even "GZHE665", but do not underestimate the subtle emanations of marketing - if we want to go beyond the boundaries of our market. And we will have to. Therefore, the "beaver" is bad, the brand must be grown and thought through, this is not some kind of garbage for a couple of years of release.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I have two disks, one is Windows, which I mainly use, but Linux is on the second. I just physically switch disks and that's it... Moreover, I don't store anything important in my computer - you can look in, in principle, I don't defend myself at all. I have a computer about 10 years ago, but I don’t need more, I’m soon 60, my children have already fled from me - everyone has their own life, grandchildren rested on their phones ...

[sifgame]

Why physically switch disks, you can choose at the BIOS boot stage

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

If there is already a newer operating system, then when you try to install the old one, problems will begin. So your trick doesn't always work.

[sifgame]

My trick works great if you know what you're doing when you install an OS. I say this as an IT guy.

[Vladimir Vlasov]

Who named the computer so stupidly? Why beaver then? No one abroad will buy a computer with such a name. In Russia, too, there will be few who wish to have beavers at home or at work.

[Tagan]

Quote: BlackMokona

2. The better the technical process, the better the performance characteristics of the product. You can make a chip with less power consumption and size, which will make the homing head smaller, which means you can cram more fuel or explosives. You can give more power, which will allow you to hit more accurately and better weed out false targets, etc. All these will suffice, only from poverty. The better the technology, the better for the military. Especially now with the transition to robotic armies. With armies of UAVs, and other things.

The use of certain chips is dictated, among other things, by the expediency and cost of the product at the output for mass production, the criticality of the characteristics. In some functional modules, a simple but reliable element base is quite enough.

[Alexander Rasmukhambetov]

The label is probably only domestic. How this lie got tired, the Guarantor himself is not funny.

[Bingo]

The manufacturer claims support for up to 64 GB of DDR4 RAM and up to 16 TB of SSD + HDD physical memory.

Laner Inc. production... It's okay that RAM and a disk drive are different things, epera theater?!!! I sincerely wish the author to write down his articles on RAM and only then send them to the editor ...
On the topic, the actual processors are made from chips, 90% of which in the world are made in Taiwan. Fans howl - 90% of any in general, even "American" processors, even Russian ... And in turn, 80% are produced on RUSSIAN sapphire substrates.
For idiots - Taiwan WITHOUT Russia will not produce 80% of the chips, the question is - does it sell chips to Russia ?!
The lesson is over, idiots in the sect - repeat the mantra "vyfsevreti" 100 times

[Fabrizio]

And in turn, 80% are produced on RUSSIAN sapphire substrates.
For idiots - Taiwan WITHOUT Russia will not produce 80% of the chips, the question is - does it sell chips to Russia ?!
The lesson is over, idiots in the sect - repeat the mantra "vyfsevreti" 100 times

Again, this story about the fact that Taiwan without Russia will not produce chips, then it is not entirely clear why Russia continues to supply these substrates despite the fact that Taiwan has cut down all Russian orders for chips.

[Bingo]

... again, this story is about the fact that the West will live without Russia ... Well, for starters, let them learn how to build nuclear power plants with a lack of energy resources and eliminate the ABSENCE OF CHIPS for the production of rockets at Raytheon (quote from Biden's speech in the spring at the Raytheon plant in the USA)
Argue not with me - with Biden! Go ahead, refute! Ezhdu...

[Fabrizio]

Wait, what does Raytheon have to do with it, factories in Taiwan are loaded to the maximum, production of chips is continuous, so the same question arises if this industry is so dependent on Russian sapphire substrates, then why did Russia not block them in response to Taiwan's refusal to produce Russian chips?

[Bingo]

Ask Biden and Raytheon a question, the fact is that in the USA and specifically at Raytheon there are not enough chips for the production of missiles, in Russia missiles (with chips, yes) are quite successfully produced and are not going to end.
These are FACTS, confirmed both by the SVO itself in Ukraine, and specifically by Biden.
That's all about the chips "not supplied" to Russia. And about "not produced in Russia" microelectronics.
Do you understand that no sanctions can affect TNCs, they are called so because they are transnational, and sanctions on the Russian or Taiwanese SEGMENT of the same chip manufacturer are on the drum for the Russian branch of the same TNC ?!

[Fabrizio]

Well, maybe the Raytheon company is not enough, but this does not affect the production of chips in Taiwan in any way, the factories are working at full capacity.

Do you understand that no sanctions can affect TNCs, they are called so because they are transnational, and sanctions on the Russian or Taiwanese SEGMENT of the same chip manufacturer are on the drum for the Russian branch of the same TNC ?!

While it is known that in Russia it is not possible to mass-produce chips even on 90nm technology, Taiwan has closed access to 28nm and below for Russian fabless companies.
Well, I repeat about 80% of the chips, this is generally a bike showing a misunderstanding of the subject.

[Prjanik]

I heard something on the basis of the Belarusian Integral wanted to do. More interesting is how Rosatom is progressing on a maskless lithograph

[Thorvlobnor IV]

It looks like they will take a Chinese processor, like those that go into TV media set-top boxes, relabel it as Baikal-M and move on to the heights of import substitution.

[Bingo]

No, just buy the chips. It doesn't matter how specifically - it doesn't matter, through China or, for example, through the UAE - it doesn't matter - and processors WILL BE PRODUCED.
Import substitution for processors is in production, at the same level as in the United States and head and shoulders ahead of, for example, Germany, England, France and Tede. There are no such plans there, the United States and the Russian Federation are planning the production and opening of their chip factories. Processors can already produce - and they do, albeit in small batches in both countries

[RED_ICE]

And why a beaver, and not, for example, a raccoon! Or Kherson

[point]

where does it say beaver? Delta is written there in Latin. what does this delta refer to? Hey, I'm looking at this box and I don't understand why they call it a computer? Is the motherboard domestic? - ok, show it, what kind of memory is there, how many holes, at least tell about the quality and number of layers ... - this will tell the fighters of the keyboard front a lot. Are the expansion scarves also domestic? Show me how many can fit in there. And the video on the processor or... The whole presentation is according to some Martian standards, not like in life. But because anything can be inside the black box.

[opuonmed]

Elbrus must be developed there with its own architecture!

[Kirill Prozorovski]

It is necessary to have native chips and memory appeared. Fast. Although Belarusians write they have developed 16 nm chips. That's what it means to keep the backlog

[Fabrizio]

Develop and mass-produce these are different levels.

[Blackbeard]

at least someone here is engaged in import substitution on computers

[Dizel200]

Well, why don’t we know how to come up with names ?? ((It’s delicious and that’s the point, then beaver

[Mint Gingerbread]

A mature technical process is needed only for the civilian sector. For the military and urban infrastructure, there are enough of these. For a citizen, there is a parallel import. This market has long been dominated by AMD, Intel, Apple, Mediatek, Qualcomm, Nvidia, Bdroadcom, etc. All advanced technologies in the USA, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Netherlands. In Russia, no matter how much you would like to, it is unrealistic to create a world competitor and an analogue of the same performance.
In Russia, there is not even a full-fledged OS, everyone is pulling Linux, which was also developed by an American. All these asters, altos and others, this is American Linux. People are sawing the budget for an operating system that they have never developed. Although the Chinese situation is no better. We have what we have.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Turbopatriots do not like to open their eyes to reality. Live the real facts. You are aware that the Yandex browser on the blink engine was developed, which in turn was developed by Google The Opera browser was developed by the Norwegians on the same blink

[KCA]

What about Yandex browser? The head of Yandex, in fact, is a citizen of Canada, and the company itself is registered in the Netherlands

[far diu]

China is in a better position. Serial production is from 14 nm with an imported stepper. Without an imported stepper, but purely on its own, 28 nm.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Given that China has now blocked a lot, 28 nm is their maximum. At this time, some group of countries is mastering 3 nm. I have no idea how many trillions of rubles are needed and how much staff saturation is required to catch up with the rest at least up to 28 nm.

[Emperor_Alive]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Zaurbek

lobbying Intel and AMD

Like it or not, Windows on Intel or AMD is the world standard. Yes, perhaps not the best, but what it is, and with everything else, even Apple, software compatibility issues rise to their full height.
By the way, are there Windows drivers for Baikal and Elbrus? Or only for homebrew versions of Linux?

Windows - down. Linux only. Moreover, there should definitely not be any foreign closed code in the defense industry.
"Homebrew versions" of Linux are much preferable to "world standards"... you know who...

[barbos]

In general, for those purposes (Rosatom, military commissar, aviation), it is highly and very desirable to use RTOS such as QNX, FreeRTOS, Minix, etc. Moreover, built on a micronuclear architecture (remembering the famous discourse between Tonenbaum and Torvalds). By the way, Minix OS is one of the most common. It provides the operation of the south bridge in motherboards for the Intel platform. And experience with these motherboards shows the high reliability and stability of this OS.

[barbos]

Will he get toys on it? Is there any real benefit from it?

[sdivt]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

What is the "Beaver" connected with, it is not clear to me as a layman

I think that you and I, namely, as ordinary people, these associations should not worry)
Firstly, it is unlikely, in the absence of a sufficient number of processors, we will be "lucky" to get it
And secondly, the orientation here is the public sector. Apparently, the price promises to be exorbitant, state money will simply be shifted from pocket to pocket - everyone will be satisfied.

[Kaufman]

I read the comments and the article. I come to the conclusion that we are a collective farm, headless and unpromising. That we are on the sidelines of progress.

[Volunteer Marek]

Most likely, this development will also be wrapped up. It was, it was already. It is more profitable for officials (including for themselves) to buy ready-made, not in Russia. And, expand production? This is troublesome! How much trouble! And, the return is not known when. State interests? And who cares? Glanoe - here and now. And don't forget yourself. And, after us, even a flood! Eh, Russia! What to do?

[T800-101]

Quote: BlackMokona

You can make a chip with less power consumption and size, which will make the homing head smaller, which means you can cram more fuel or explosives.

And how much explosives can be additionally stuffed after a reduced technical process? 20 milligrams?

[Nitten]

Again they begin to procrastinate more empty. Everything has been calculated for a long time. 1 trillion dollars and in 10 years it will have its own radio-electronic industry. Allocate more - it will be faster. There will be no money allocated by the state of the indicated volumes, which means there will be empty chatter on the forums.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Quote: KCA

What about Yandex browser? The head of Yandex, in fact, is a citizen of Canada, and the company itself is registered in the Netherlands

It's not about who owns or manages it. It's about who wrote the software that other organizations began to use.

[SiberianGun]

The news is excellent, it only causes bewilderment where Baikal-M is produced. Either there is some kind of stock, or through someone. By the way, a friend explained to me that somewhere in Eastern Europe they built a plant that was just right for the production of our processors ...