British edition: By the April offensive, Kyiv will receive only 50 tanks out of 320 promised by the West

The recently announced plans of the West to prepare Ukraine for the spring counter-offensive have already cracked, Kyiv will not receive the promised number tanks. According to The Times, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive no more than fifty tanks.

According to a British publication citing its own sources, Ukraine will receive only about 50 Western-made tanks out of the promised 320 by April. The countries that had committed themselves and promised Zelensky the supply of tanks suddenly began to refuse them. Even Great Britain, one of the most active sponsors of the Kiev regime, which swore to deliver 14 Challenger 2 tanks "in the near future", suddenly announced that it would transfer only four tanks by April, and even then, if it had time.

And so almost all countries suddenly announced either a complete refusal to supply, or sending a small amount of armored vehicles. An example is Canada, which promised to transfer as many as four Leopard 2 MBTs to Zelensky and even sent one tank, not sparing a military transport aircraft for this.

To date, the so-called "tank coalition" created in Europe has not been able to form even two tank battalions, barely managing to scrape together one and a half vehicles. Yes, even that is doubtful. In Berlin, they are trying to put pressure on NATO allies to quickly transfer tanks, but it's all to no avail. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who allowed the re-export of German tanks after much persuasion, is now demanding the fulfillment of his obligations at all international venues, but all in vain.

As it turned out, in Europe they first promise and only then they start thinking. According to British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace, it turned out that almost all countries of the "tank coalition" did not have serviceable tanks for transfer to Ukraine. And no one wants to transfer those in service. Suddenly there is a war, but there are no tanks. So it will not be long before Zelensky will wait for the promised armored vehicles.

Comments

[withoutreverse]

Who knows?? do we have copies of the Challenger and the Leopard in the museum in Kubinka ??

[andrewkor]

I hope they will!
The comment is too short, so be it!

[fruc]

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, .... demands the fulfillment of the obligations assumed

Scholz distinguished himself this time, he will give the most tanks and allowed re-export.

British edition: By the April offensive, Kyiv will receive ....

The British publishing house is planning a ZSU offensive in April, why would they need Zaluzhny & Co.

[smart ass]

In any case, time works against the Russian Federation, it will take quite a bit of time for the European economy to get on a military footing, and then it will be even worse for us

[Alexander 3]

In geyrop military rails? When did gays defend themselves? They just give up, and then they think.

[Kronos]

Unlike Russia, their industry has not been cut, so they can increase the production of military equipment and equipment.

[Dmitry Trukhtanov]

Then I think .. You should get over the cardon, everything is wonderful there))

[Fitter65]

Quote: Kronos

Unlike Russia, their industry has not been cut, so they can increase the production of military equipment and equipment.

Well, yes, in the UK, the tank factory was not even sawn, but completely demolished, to zero. Therefore, they are going to produce their Challenger III at the facilities of Rheinmetall

[blackGRAIL]

The European military-industrial complex (more precisely Oynmetall) is the third largest beneficiary of military supplies. And he is eager to spin the flywheel of production and output - he asks for co-financing from the state.

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Clever man

In any case, time works against the Russian Federation

Absolutely, given the orders of magnitude multiple potential of the economies of the West and the Russian Federation.

Quote: Clever man

it will take quite a bit of time for the European economy to get on a military footing

It will never come to getting on a war footing, this is completely superfluous, unless China suddenly declares war on the West. But the production of BC, MBT, etc., of course, will increase significantly, which is what they are doing now.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Clever man

In any case, time works against the Russian Federation, it will take quite a bit of time for the European economy to get on a military footing, and then it will be even worse for us

In order to get on a military footing, the contractor must understand how long the contract will be and what profit he can count on by investing money in expanding production. However, no one in Europe can say how long Ukraine will hold out and how many of these tanks it needs. Yes, in fact, Russia will not indifferently watch how they get on the rails and will certainly increase their production, so time here works quite balanced on all sides, except for Ukraine, of course.

[blackGRAIL]

Ukraine will last as long as the West provides it with weapons. The authors of this conflict have a full understanding of how long and how it will continue. The United States launched a large-scale program to increase the production of ammunition (by 6 times) for 2 years. And the next year's budget includes funds to ensure the war - they are sure of everything.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

Ukraine will last as long as the West provides it with weapons. The authors of this conflict have a full understanding of how long and how it will continue.

The authors of the conflict, and you too, do not take into account one "insignificant", but awesomely important detail, namely, that Russia has its own idea of ​​​​the conflict and its own plans for resolving it, which clearly do not coincide with the "authors" idea either in time , nor in terms of solutions, and therefore it is far from a fact that Ukraine will exist for the time they are counting on.
As for the increase in the production of b / n, they need it anyway, even on the basis of the fact that they need to replenish their fairly empty arsenals, and therefore their program will work, if not for the current conflict, then for the warehouse.

[karabas-barabas]

Do you believe that the Russian Federation can somehow fend off the industrial potential of the West?

[digger]

The production capacity of Abrams tanks is 12 units per month. Only one plant is working, three are idle - there are not enough qualified workers, competencies have been lost.

Germany is resuming the production of tanks and could theoretically increase the production of the latest modification of the Leopard-2 to 140 by 2027. No one knows how to do this in practice - there are not enough specialists, such as welders of armored steel, there are not enough engineers. The deficiency must be restored, and this takes time.

At the same time, in the USSR, only one Nizhny Tagil "Uralvagonzavod" assembled 40-50 cars per month ...

Oddly enough, among Western countries, the United States is not in the first place in terms of production. And not even Germany. The Slovak holding ZVS is now producing about 20 thousand shells per month, by the end of this year they will try to reach the level of 100 thousand shells.

Great America, Leader, hegemon and dominant all rolled into one today produces 14 shells per month. The Pentagon has invested (as it is now called) $2 billion in order to bring production up to 20 shells per month by the end of this year, and plans already in 2024 can hope for a level of 90 shells per month.

According to Western intelligence estimates, until the beginning of 2022, the production of 152-caliber shells in Russia was 1,7 million pieces per year (slightly more than 141 thousand pieces per month). In 2022, Russia almost doubled the output, to 3,3 million units per year (275 thousand per month), and already in January, Sergei Shoigu announced that by the end of 2023, the output would rise by another 5 times, to 416 million units per year. (417-XNUMX thousand per month).

[Michael]

Quote: withoutreverse

Who knows?? do we have copies of the Challenger and the Leopard in the museum in Kubinka ??

Abrams is definitely there, in the storerooms. Rumor has it that in Iraq they hid several beaten ones and one on the move, dug right into the sand. And in the early 2010s, they slowly dug it up and took it out.

[Diger]

Quote: withoutreverse

do we have copies of the Challenger and the Leopard in the museum in Kubinka ??

Medium tank MK V
M48 "Magah-3" returned to Israel.
Museum complex - site number 2 there is a bitch

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

The magicians were not returned, but exchanged for the same one.

[Roman Efremov]

Not yet. There is a chieftain, I don’t remember about Leopard-1.

[Sergei Akseniuk]

They say they will be soon. Just patch up a bit

[Metallurg_2]

Leo is the first. Another Chieftain. No newer.

[belovvladimir]

I am one hundred percent sure that this scrap metal in the form of a challenger, and a leopard will soon be in the museum, and the strength of NATO knows how, then they are heroes ready to crush us Russians, it turns out that they are not so scary as they are shot, in short, NATO is zilch , fueta, it's like a union of power in money laundering, ugh, taking money from the people!

[veteran tanker]

There is no Challenger or Leopard in the museum on Kubinka

[alexey_444]

While the West believes that they will advance anyway, the orcs are reduced to shame. When the lockdown is actually quickly set up, in any case, the year itself speaks only of this. Last year, since the spring, they also talked about the offensive, bullied us, and when we got tired of waiting and sent the fighters on vacation, they flooded us in the fall. It will be the same this year.

[Bingo]

There were elections in the United States in the fall, and everyone understood that the offensive would come just then. And now there are no elections, and instead of supplies, the Oblomingo bird cries in the Outskirts

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from Bingo

There were elections in the United States in the fall, and everyone understood that the offensive would come just then. And now there are no elections, and instead of supplies, the Oblomingo bird cries in the Outskirts

I personally believe that all the talk about how much, when, what kind of tanks, missiles, air defense systems, etc. solid misinformation .. Everyone is trying to deceive the enemy. And tells the tales of the Vienna Woods. So the number of our mobilized people is known by a few. There is a war going on, no one has canceled the secrets. War is not only missile strikes. First of all, this is the ability to deceive the enemy in order to win.

[voice of reason]

For general development. In Russia, no one calls Ukrainians orcs. It's purely local stuff. No need to drag them to the site, please. This is a dehumanization technique invented by Western PR technologists for Western laymen. They play on simple and accessible images. No Ukrainians are people. People who betrayed the common Soviet history, abandoned their ancestors who fought for the Soviet Union in the Great Patriotic War. People glorifying collaborators and policemen from the fascist division "Galicia", who betrayed their brothers in faith and language, who betrayed the language and faith itself. So let it stay that way. And we are the orcs. And Mordor is what they call us. And we don’t even mind, we are proud of something. Because the light-faced western elves are those Nazi arrogant bastards.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: voice of reason

And we are the orcs. And Mordor is what they call us. And we don’t even mind, we are proud of something.

"ORCs" - brave warriors of the cross and Islam! Sounds!
Not like their "UKROP" - wretched kokla slavishly serving pin.dos.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: voice of reason

And we are the orcs. And Mordor is what they call us. And we don’t even mind, we are proud of something.

"ORCs" - brave warriors of the cross and Islam! Sounds!
Not like their "UKROP" - wretched kokla slavishly serving pin.dos.

Orcs, then a horde, then ugrofins, then rashists. Nor, how can the Jews of Bandera decide with whom to fight!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: 30 vis

Orcs, then a horde, then ugrofins, then rashists. Nor, how can the Jews of Bandera decide with whom to fight!

Judging by the minuses to my comment, today we are in the minority on the site, and then the offended "Dill" got excited.
Good evening

[Egg]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Judging by the minuses to my comment, today we are in the minority on the site, and then the offended "Dill" got excited.
Good evening

It is we who are culturally humanizing here, and people at work, work in a sweat, I would like to write faces, the hand does not rise to name patches with faces, you need to understand
I fix the downvoters as much as I can.

[lubesky]

A parallel emerges with the last days of the Fuhrer in the bunker, where a complete drug addict rushed about on the 20th of April and was indignant at the lack of information about the offensive of the Wenck army (which was first stopped and then destroyed) and the "great" offensive by all the forces of Steiner, who simply did not fulfilled the promise and did not take any offensive

“Everyone betrayed me, this is treason!” Hitler shouted, and this Goering is a dissolute drug addict! Speer looked with surprise at the complete drug addict, who accused Goering of drug addiction. Agony

[ivan1979nkl]

before the agony Zelensky not soon, but the prospects are already visible

[vikie1778]

our "Western partners" did us a favor, these scattered deliveries of tanks can be safely destroyed and chewed on in the Bakhmut meat grinder before the arrival of the second batch.
if they had had the patience to wait and send them all at once, they might have posed a serious threat to Zaporozhye's defenses.

[Kerensky]

So he presented a telephone conversation between the General Staff of the Russian Federation and Ukraine:
- When will you attack?
We are planning to start in March.
- Fine. Then we schedule a counteroffensive for April. And where?
- Well, so far in seven directions. If you're uncomfortable, try to keep within five.
"Then we'll counterattack in the south." Do we have enough tanks?
- How much did you ask?
- We were promised 320...
- A lot ... take 50 for now.
- Planes?
Let's postpone...
- Who will unsubscribe to the Times?
- Our unnamed sources unsubscribed yesterday...

[svp67]

A very interesting alignment is obtained, very. This is either an "information cover operation", or the target was not Russia ... It seems that some kind of "tectonic shifts" are taking place in the West. They could keep up the pace and go "step by step", prepare for transfer and start transferring tanks with 105-mm guns, the same Leo-1, M-60, AMX-30, these could still be recruited ... But something is clearly not going according to plan. I suppose that perhaps a lot explains the arrival and report of Zaluzny on the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

[blackGRAIL]

But the crews for these tanks are being trained in ever-increasing quantities. The Americans alone will train several thousand people in Germany for the spring.

[ximkim]

Logistics, supply and repair will be established, then supplies will go in the right amount. Also training.

[smok1961]

320 czołgów a być dostarczonych w ciągu 1,5 roku, a nie teraz nagle.

Ale faktem jest, że czołgów Ukraina dostanie na wiosnę mniej, niż obiecywano.

Przyczyna jest ciekawa:
Niemcy, którzy do listopada 2022 roku nie chcieli angażować się w wojnę na Ukraine...
...teraz chcą być postrzegani jako najwięksi dobroczyńcy Ukraine.

"January 24.01–October 3.10.2022, 1,88 polska pomoc wojskowa wynosiła 0,78 mld euro, a niemiecka zaledwie XNUMX mld euro."

ale obecnie niemiecka pomoc wojskowa dla Ukraine to 2,34 mld euro - Poland 1,82 mld euro.
================
Niemcy chcą pokazać światu, że bardzo pomagają Ukraine.
No i teraz:
Hollandia np. chciała przekazać Ukrainie kilkanaście czołgów, ale Niemcy nie wydali zgody,
Hiszpania aby przekazać czołgi Ukrainie, musiała je najpierw serwisować w Niemczech, ale Niemcy odmówili.

Tak więc, Leopardy w dużych ilościach przekaże tylko Polska i Niemcy.

[topol717]

Quote from: smok1961

"January 24.01–October 3.10.2022, 1,88 polska pomoc wojskowa wynosiła 0,78 mld euro, a niemiecka zaledwie XNUMX mld euro."

ale obecnie niemiecka pomoc wojskowa dla Ukraine to 2,34 mld euro - Poland 1,82 mld euro.

Something too early Poland began to withdraw its aid. They usually wait until the end.

[smok1961]

Pomoc Ukraine to bardzo duże obciążenie dla Polskiego budżetu.
Polska pomoc Ukrainie w stosunku do PKB to 0,5% , Niemcy przeznaczają na pomoc 0,14%.

tak więc quote:
"Liderem zestawienia jest Estonia (1,1 proc.), drugie miejsce zajmuje Łotwa (0,9 proc.), a trzecie Polska (0,5 proc.). Niemcy są dopiero na 17. miejscu (0,14 proc.) "

source:
https://www.tvp.info/66421246/po-pod-wrazeniem-niemieckiej-pomocy-dla-ukrainy-sprawdzamy-jak-jest-naprawde

[svp67]

Quote from: smok1961

Polska pomoc Ukrainie w stosunku do PKB to 0,5% , Niemcy przeznaczają na pomoc 0,14%.

Now it remains to sort out the issue and compare who else Poland helps and who Germany helps, and how much such total assistance as a percentage of their budgets actually is. Here I think that Germany is clearly investing more.

[smok1961]

Pisząc - pomoc - wprowadzam w błąd. powinienem pisać "pomoc".

Nikt na świecie nie rozdaje pieniędzy za darmo.

Polska i Niemcy (obecnie) inwestują w ewentualne zwycięstwo Ukrainy, a Rosja inwestuje w swoje zwycięstwo.

Bój się nie toczy o prawa człowieka, biednych Ukraińców , ani uciemiężonych Rosjan :
tu jest prawda, zapraszam do lektury:
https://next.gazeta.pl/next/7,151003,29479333,ukraina-posiada-jedne-z-najwiekszych-zasobow-metali-ziem-rzadkich.html#s=BoxOpMT

[Petr_Koldunov]

And what, Fuhrer Ze, Reichsfuhrer Yermak, Party Genosse Kuleba or Reichsmarshal Reznikov - did one of them announce the April offensive? As far as I remember, in the Ukroreich itself, everything revolves at the level of talking about unconfirmed kitchen rumors ... then WHY do the officials of the EU, the States and England discuss issues related to the offensive, perceiving specifically the "April offensive" as a fait accompli ???
Maybe they've had enough of telling fairy tales that "Ukraine decides itself"? And it's time to admit that they are ordering Ukraine what to do and when...

[Kvakosavrus]

It's funny, one of the main European pida .... I apologize to the officials broadcasts that if you urgently do not give the villagers more weapons, then everything is lost

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/19/ukraine-war-over-unless-eu-boosts-military-support-says-top-diplomat

“We are in urgent war mode,” he said. “This shortage of ammunition has to be solved quickly; it is a matter of weeks.” He said if it was not the war would be over.

[Ulan.1812]

Again suckers "allies" threw. Probably jumped low.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Again suckers "allies" threw. Probably jumped low.

Hey Girkin fans, maybe stop running after me. Not men, but small children.

[rocket757]

British edition: By the April offensive, Kyiv will receive only 50 tanks out of 320 promised by the West

. The question is, can they lie, drive misinformation ???
This can never be ruled out ... an experienced, insidious enemy!

[Evgenijus]

In reality, tanks from the West with an expired warranty period, with a spent engine resource. Scrap metal. But they can shoot a couple of times (the barrels of the guns were not in combat). At the same time, these are targets for our Kornets and other effective weapons.

[ch28k38]

And the offensive, given the profession of the president, will begin on April 1!

[stankow]

Let them watch, let the members of NATO think about how NATO will help them, if anything. Especially Eastern European members. Who rely so much on the help of the West...

[Metallurg_2]

Interestingly, is this somehow connected with the fact that out of 300 lards of our frozen gold reserves, 4/5 "could not be found"?
I think there are some undercover games with the other side. Nobody wants a nuclear apocalypse.

[stankow]

Quote: withoutreverse

Who knows?? do we have copies of the Challenger and the Leopard in the museum in Kubinka ??

Anything they say...

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Bongo
Bongo
7 June 2016 09: 50

+3
Quote: professor
And how did he get there?

Abrams, Challenger, Leopard-2 and Leclerc are also kept in the storerooms in Kubinka ...

[digger]

And then out of these 50, 80% will be t-72 ersatz copies of the Soviet ones.

[Fangaro]

Once again, Germany was just not forced to agree to send tanks to Ukraine through indirect threats.
And Germany agreed to send tanks. As well as other countries.
And now, from our, Russian, side, it turns out that the Germans are the most militarists.
Yes, Germany is the enemy.
Yes, Germany supports sanctions against Russia.
Yes, Germany will send tanks to Ukraine.
And they are trying to pit Germany and Russia against cries of immediate military support from Kyiv.
And the USA, Canada (in which the main spoken languages ​​are French, Ukrainian, English), Great Britain, France will continue to watch what will come of the radically changed plan to destroy the economies of Russia and Germany.

[TermNachTer]

Even 50 is a big question, since Portugal and Spain have turned on the back. So, at the moment, only a company of fascist A6s and four Challengers and one Canadian A4 are real. Perhaps 30 - 40 Pshekovsky A4, but this is also in question.

[Armen Sologyan]

It's a pity, only 50 tanks will burn down... Do they really think in the West that Russia has no means against their tank equipment, but only Nudol, Sarmat, Avangard and others??? Russia is ready for all cases of fighting and can wage war on three fronts. After all, there are super torpedoes "Poseidon", which will be engaged in the 5th and 6th fleets of the United States and not only the United States, but also the rest.

[Sith]

If the West is openly talking about 50, then 50 has already been guaranteed to be delivered ... and the rest are in the process and they still cannot say how many whole ones will crawl to LBS
These lying faces are always lying

[Illanatol]

Quote: Kronos

Unlike Russia, their industry has not been cut, so they can increase the production of military equipment and equipment.

They just cut them up, and what they didn’t cut up was taken out to where the labor force is cheaper. Plus with raw materials and energy strained. And about "cutting industry in Russia" tell tales to grandmothers.

[Illanatol]

Quote: karabas-barabas

Absolutely, given the orders of magnitude multiple potential of the economies of the West and the Russian Federation.

Not correct. Only the industrial potential should be taken into account, or rather, that part of it that works or is in any way connected with the production of weapons. Western economies are dominated by the financial sector and the service sector, but derivatives or hamburgers cannot fight off the adversary. And in terms of cast iron and steel - we are still quite hoo. So we produce more tanks and artillery systems and shells for them. So "the Common Market will choke in the hole of our zero".