Khasavyurt-96: Something happened that, by definition, could not be

During its existence, our country has won many brilliant victories, which to this day are carefully analyzed by experts of various levels. However, they were in the Russian stories, to put it mildly, not very pleasant moments that you don’t want to remember, but you need them not to be repeated in the future.

Speech in this material will not be about Tsushima and not about the shameful Brest peace. No, what happened then is partly explainable. But Khasavyurt-96...

What happened in the First Chechen War, by definition, could not be. Meanwhile, the authorities of those difficult years for our country lost the war, which was impossible to lose, and on August 31, 1996 they signed a virtually shameful surrender in Khasavyurt.

The result of the agreement was the withdrawal of federal troops from the territory of the so-called Ichkeria (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation*). However, the discussion of its independence was postponed until the end of 2001.

Here, many may have a question: why Khasavyurt-96 is more shameful than the same Brest peace? Yes, if only because the military power of the parties in the First Chechen War was simply incomparable.

Yes, Russia in the 90s was no longer the formidable force that the Soviet Union was. Meanwhile, the strength of the Russian army at the start of the war in 1994 reached 1,8 million people. In addition, the Russian troops were armed with about 17000 tanks and 3,5 thousand aircraft left after the USSR.

Regarding Dudayev's army, he had about 40 thousand militants. This army was armed with about 50 tanks, the same number of armored personnel carriers and just over 250 aircraft.

Could it be assumed that Russia would lose this war? The question is rhetorical.

Meanwhile, what happened happened. During the First Chechen War, our army lost more than 5 thousand people killed and tens of thousands wounded.

All reasoning "if only yes if only" is irrelevant here. History does not tolerate subjunctive moods. The irreparable happened, and we all know perfectly well who is to blame for this.

Were conclusions drawn from this severe defeat? Yes, obviously they were.

The second Chechen war or CTO, which began in September 1999 after the invasion of the militants of the unrecognized Ichkeria * into Dagestan, proceeded and ended in a completely different way. However, the country was then ruled by other people.

Comments

[cold wind]

In general, this suggests that a single people is extremely difficult to defeat and this is not a question of the military. The second Chechen war was won thanks to the betrayal of the idea of ​​independence by some of the militants. Only the split helped. Naturally, this was organized by the special services of the FSB, the GRU.
No conclusion was drawn from these wars. It was not possible to split the government and the people of Ukraine, the army turned out to be in an even worse condition. There was no Soviet mobilization reserve left, the equipment is the same, but there is less of it and it is even more outdated.

[Grandfather]

Khasavyurt-96: Something happened that, by definition, could not be
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what is it for, right? admins?

[Silver99]

Let's put aside the number of bayonets and tanks. The main question is if the civilian population is fighting against you on your territory and is categorically opposed to you, neither tanks nor planes will help you, I emphasize this applies to the territory that is part of Russia and after the war you will still have to live with this population, because we do not assume destroy them all. General Lebed said on this occasion "war is not a civilized way of solving a problem, sooner or later all wars end, so it can do without it," the saved lives of soldiers are more expensive than the ambitions of drunken presidents, bunglers of the Ministry of Defense taking Grozny with one regiment of the Airborne Forces or crumbs of Tsakhis Berezovsky . I look with disgust at all this camarilla from the 90s. And I always respected General Lebed and voted for him.

[lubesky]

Quote from cold wind

Only a split helped

I do not agree, this is how lies are created for years. But thank God, those who remember and participated are still alive.

The rise of a part of the Chechen people against the international of mercenaries and assassins, generously sponsored by the enemies of Russia and the Arab League, was NOT the ONLY key to the turning point. The setting of tasks has changed, the reassessment of the conditions and circumstances that helped the militants. The approach to recruiting and filling our group has changed. There was political will to resolve the conflict. I can list a lot of reasons, but I ask you not to create lies - NOT ONLY, as you wrote, due to the split and the transition of part of the field commanders to the side of the federal forces. The second campaign was in many ways completely DIFFERENT and the very setting of the task for the group put two questions on the scales - either Chechnya will be part of Russia and Inter will eliminate the threat on our territory, or the question was raised about the very future of the Chechen people. This is what prompted many Chechen patriots to make a difficult choice.

The split and the rise of the Chechens against international banditry and terrorism saved many times the lives of military and civilians. But the task would have been completed anyway.

[bk316]

Why did they surrender the Crimea without firing a shot?
And 2/3 of Donbas were not recaptured for 8 years?
Ukrainian propaganda does not fit in with reality.

[Konnick]

One alcoholic in a symbolic color white suit, with the consent of another alcoholic, signed this disgrace.

[Silver99]

and where were you when Lebed stopped the massacre in Transnistria? He probably drank, because on TV the war and blood are not real, it's like playing on a computer, isn't it ((((or did you knead the mud in Afghanistan under bullets in combat? most likely not, so before judging a man "in white" walk his path.

[Ulan.1812]

The complete incapacity of that Russian government.
By the way, is it not Khasavyurt that inspires the current Ukronazi government.
That Russia can be defeated and forced into a shameful world for us.

[fiberboard]

How can you call a war won a lost one? It was a strange war, where a huge amount of media poured mud on their troops, where corrupt politicians and generals completely ,, lost their shores ,,. And when the militants were defeated, driven into the mountains, practically occupied the territory of Chechnya, Alexander Lebed, a good fellow and guardian of the fatherland, appeared. He organized negotiations, arrived in Khasavyurt and humbly waited for the leaders of the militants. Those, greatly surprised, climbed out of their holes and, with their inherent impudence, arrived late for negotiations. The swan actually saved the terrorists. If Rokhlin then had the courage to give the army an order to rebel, then both EBN and Lebed would have ended badly.

[Leshak]

I hope this article is written so that Khasavyurt-96 does not happen again in Ukraine?! Or does it mean something else?

[ermak124.0]

After Khasavyurt, and at that time I was there, nearby, the Swan turned into the last thing for me. Disgrace. Joint patrols, inspection by the spirits of our helicopters in Severny, a hasty withdrawal of troops, comparable to flight ... Yes, a lot of humiliating things. Ugh, . I don't want to hear anything more about him. A pontovoz who imagines himself to be Chamberlain.

[Silver99]

Do you know who wants peace the most? the one who fought and was not around. Russia in the 90s was not ready to fight forever, and Chechnya of that time would have become a partisan enclave, or you don’t know the story of Shamil, the tsar also perfectly understood that a bad peace is better than a good shoot.

[single-n]

It's just that the alkanist Boriska needed peace at any cost. Otherwise, he would not have sat until 1999. And the organized criminal group that was in the Kremlin was not up to the country. They shared factories. In addition, the same Boris, the conductor-tennis player, came to power with the slogan "take sovereignty as much as you want." Well, all the local kings rushed for freedom. And Lebed decided to play peacekeepers. But for the fact that he "threw" his voters for a place in the retinue, the Borisks hated him greatly. Indeed, in 1996, many were already going to vote against this Kremlin cabal, but they did not want to support the communists either. The swan seemed like the only reasonable choice. And in the end, in fact, he betrayed these people. If they would like to elect Boriska drunk, they would have voted for him. In fact, Khasavyurt is an example of how, in order to retain power, the supreme "king" is ready for any agreements. And how, for the sake of a chance to get into big politics, a person is ready for betrayal. That's all.

[nickname7]

Boriska the alkanist needed peace at any cost

On the contrary, EBN needed a small war to stay in power. Actually, this conflict was inflated out of the blue, from the very beginning, and it was also easier for the oligarch at that time to steal and commit scams (Chechen advice notes)
The war was coming to an end, but too early, so it was extended by Khasavyurt.

[lubesky]

You need to know the truth - the army DID NOT LOST that war, it was lost by the corrupt liberal media, the authorities and the oligarchs. Public opinion, formed by the lack of educational program and education from the authorities, lost not only the war won by the military in Chechnya, but also the Afghan war, which OKSVA won, having solved most of the combat missions by 1984. But glasnost, not the decisiveness of the authorities, and that very public opinion lost the War INSIDE the Union.

Conclusion - we can only lose NWO to ourselves, but not to the enemy!

[AHTONOB]

Sigue de moda calificar al pacto de Brest Litovsk de vergonzoso y culpar de ello a la inepcia e incluso cobardía de los bolcheviques. Nada más falso e injusto que esto. Hay que entender la realidad militar y politica del momento de primera mano para evaluar aquél acuerdo con justicia. Dividió en su momento gravemente a los bolcheviques, tanto, que solo la autoridad de Lenin, ejercida con extraordinaria presión logró que el acuerdo se materializara. Lean a los protagonistas, y entiendan, que la continuidad de la guerra era un suicidio no solo para el poder soviético sino para la misma Rusia y resto de repúblicas. La continuación de la guerra pasó por encima, laminándolo, al gobierno de Kerenski y hubiera hecho lo mismo con la República de los Soviets, sumiendo al país en el caos. Puede que la posición de Trotski, ni guerra ni paz, hubiera sido la menos mala, pero al contrario de lo que sucedió en la defensa de Petrogrado contra las tropas de Yudenich, la opinión de Trotski no prevaleció. Es lamentable el bajo nivel y tontería de quienes ganan guerras a toro pasado, como se dice por aquí, desde el teclado del ordenador.
Aún está pendiente hoy para las repúblicas ex soviéticas, ponerse de acuerdo con su Historia, y mientras no se haga, y no se sepa de donde se viene, no se sabrá hacia donde se va.

[Dart2027]

However, the country was then ruled by other people.

That's the whole point. Then the army had already won, but from above an order came from ... about surrender.

[Master 2030]

My comment is extremely untimely, but I will write. Looking at Kadyrov, the Nokhchi in the information field and the sovereignty of the Chechen Republic in the present, the imagination draws the grotesque forms of the 3rd Chechen in the future. I saw a video where the Czech "nettles" (I watched in connection with the scandal about cheating at the exam for a beret) take the "oath". The first words: "I swear by the Chechen Republic." Leads to sad thoughts.

[AdAstra]

Not so sad, how gloomy.""""

[DefenderofTruth]

What happened then happened in Minsk in 2014 and may well happen now in Ukraine - the betrayal by the comprador elite of the Russian Federation of the national interests of Russia and the Russian people for the sake of a sweet life in the West.

[Kazbek5000]

Another stupid stuffing Khokhlyat propaganda. Where are the moderators looking?

[AlexSam]

Quote: Kazbek5000

Another stupid stuffing Khokhlyat propaganda. Where are the moderators looking?

They are at the head of a huge army of jingoistic minusers fighting the regime. VO, in fact, has long been pouring water on the CIPSO mill.

[ivan2022]

The pit of idiocy and shame has no bottom. Therefore, you won’t break through it .... When at night in the Belovezhskaya forest in December 1991 three "eccentrics" divided the USSR, this could not be 1000% at all.

[odisey3000]

Yes, it’s just that politics again interfered in the affairs of the military, Yeltsin went to the polls and he desperately needed peace, Mr. Lebed also went to the polls and had or wanted to have a gesheft from this business. He also had strong political ambitions at that time. But as always everything turned out very badly, the war dragged on, there were many victims. Yeltsin outplayed Lebed. And then there was another political story.