The founder of PMC "Wagner" Prigozhin called the military commissar the approximate terms for the liberation of Donbass and territories up to the Dnieper

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The founder of PMC "Wagner" Prigozhin called the military commissar the approximate terms for the liberation of Donbass and territories up to the Dnieper

The fulfillment of tasks to liberate the entire territory of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics will take one and a half to two years. Such a forecast in an interview with the head of the WarGonzo project, military commissar Semyon Pegov, was given by the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin.

As Prigozhin noted, if in the process of a special military operation it is necessary to reach the Dnieper River, then the fulfillment of this task will stretch for three years. Accordingly, at this time, territories and cities located up to the Dnieper will be liberated.



If we need to go to the Dnieper, then for three years, if we need to close the DPR and LPR, then we need to work for another year and a half or two, if we need to go to the English Channel, then I have my own ideal plan

- сказал Semyon Pegov Evgeny Prigozhin.

It should be noted that yesterday Yevgeny Prigozhin officially announced the termination of the recruitment of prisoners from Russian correctional institutions to the Wagner PMC. At the same time, he did not explain the reasons for such a decision, but noted that all obligations to those former prisoners who are now fighting in the ranks of PMCs are fulfilled.

PMC "Wagner" play a very significant role in the implementation of the most difficult tasks of a special military operation. In particular, it was the Wagner attack aircraft that bore the main burden during the liberation of Soledar, now they are bravely fighting in Artemovsk (Ukrainians call it Bakhmut), on other most difficult sectors of the front.
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  1. +21
    10 February 2023 20: 38
    if we have to go to the English Channel, then I have my own perfect plan

    here from this place in more detail, pzhalsta
    1. -12
      10 February 2023 20: 47
      Can I ask Prigogine for copyright? laughing
      I wrote about three months ago that the complete seizure of the territory of the LDNR before October-November will not happen.
      1. +16
        10 February 2023 21: 57
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Can I ask Prigogine for copyright? laughing
        I wrote about three months ago that the complete seizure of the territory of the LDNR before October-November will not happen.

        Yes, the goal is not to seize territories, especially by a certain date.

        Firstly, there is a loss ratio of 10:1 and this suits the Russian Federation. In other words, the demilitarization of Ukraine is going on in a ratio that is favorable for us.

        Secondly, demilitarization is going on in four regions, without destroying the remaining 20 regions of Ukraine, which we have to restore. Four areas are easier to recover than 24.

        Thirdly, there is a weakening of the West - curtailment of production, unemployment, inflation. In addition, and most importantly, political discord in Europe is beginning.

        Fourth, the Russian military-industrial complex is being tested against NATO standards - eliminating weaknesses and polishing strengths.

        The main initial reason for the delay in the SVO is the lack of infantry in contract soldiers. The Russian Federation had a bet on high-tech contract soldiers, but the infantry was perceived as archaic. Ukraine has shown that it is too early to write off the infantry.

        However, during the course of the JEE, four positive points emerged, which I have indicated above. And that's why no one is in a hurry to go anywhere.
        1. -34
          10 February 2023 22: 25
          While generals from the Second World War command there, only the infantry will decide there. There are no drones and there will not be, there is no connection and there will not be. there will be no small tactical groups (like a platoon) with their own mortars, electronic warfare, reconnaissance, anti-tank systems, MANPADS and artillery. There will also be no BMPs based on electric motors with hulls made of composite plastics. There, in the generals, stupid people are sitting, whose army is equal to the execution of the order and feedback in the form of an oral report on the execution of the order. They have been taught this for 20-30-40 years.
          Although no, they will show something at the parades.
          1. +7
            10 February 2023 22: 36
            Quote from: topol717
            While generals from the Second World War command there, only the infantry will decide there. There are no drones and there will not be, there is no connection and there will not be. there will be no small tactical groups (like a platoon) with their own mortars, electronic warfare, reconnaissance, anti-tank systems, MANPADS and artillery.

            You have to start with what you don't have. What don't you have?
          2. +10
            11 February 2023 01: 26
            Quote from: topol717
            Drones are not and will not be

            And why is it so nightmarish all in / for every week, or even more often?
            What does your power system and the military-industrial complex take out there? smile
            What is it hanging over the heads of your APU over the LBS? What does your radar, self-propelled guns, etc. take out in tactical and operational depth? smile
            Quote from: topol717
            small tactical groups (platoon type) with their own mortars

            lol Come on ?? laughing
            Oh really ??? wassat
            Quote from: topol717
            with their mortars, electronic warfare, reconnaissance, ATGMs, MANPADS and artillery

            laughing fool It's just... phenomenal. bully
            Zhenya, we will always have everything. bully And it will be enough. Yes
            And mortars. Yes
            And ATGM. Yes
            And MANPADS. Yes
            And artillery. Yes
            Quote from: topol717
            Infantry fighting vehicles based on electric motors with housings made of composite plastics

            laughing lol WHAT ??
            belay Composite hulls for infantry fighting vehicles wassat On electric drive? fool At war ?? bully
            Come on, Zhenechka, give us such good That will be fun. lol
            Quote from: topol717
            There are stupid people sitting in the generals,

            And in the White House such a "smart" grandfather is sitting ... he even sees invisible spirits Yes ...and communicate belay with them . And what are the leaders in the EU .... fellow ... it's just some kind of holiday ... It's just the Circus and Big Top ...
            And THIS is how you are going to ... defeat us? smile
            Have you, Zhenechka, looked at the losses of the parties to this "outstanding" conflict? smile
            According to Israeli intelligence Yes the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are 8 (EIGHT!) times greater than the losses of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. smile And together with the military personnel of NATO countries, the ratio of losses is 9 to one!
            Only (!) NATO losses in the NMD are equal to the losses of the RF Armed Forces ... and + 8 Sumerians per Russian soldier.
            And how long are you going to fight like that? smile
            Having lost ALL weapons of the THREE best Soviet military districts! ... smile
            Having lost everything that your curators from the Soviet heritage have collected for you from all over the world ... No.
            Having halved the warehouses and arsenals of NATO countries. lol
            WHAT else, Zhenechka, do you want to receive?
            F-16? smile
            "Leopard-2" ?? lol
            Abrams?? wassat
            "Challenger-2" ??? fool
            Do you even understand the combat value of this ... weapon?
            In such quantities and in such a landscape?
            And on such SOILS? smile
            Quote from: topol717
            they will show something at the parades.

            smile At the parades? smile
            Do you still have parades?
            And we only have plans for the Victory Parade. bully
            1. +2
              11 February 2023 14: 02
              You are a plus! Decent answer! wink
              ...........
            2. +1
              11 February 2023 22: 33
              Didn't even read. It doesn't matter if you are for or against, Russian or Ukrainian, patriot or defeatist. It's unacceptable to pollute the thread with so many stupid emoticons.
            3. -2
              12 February 2023 06: 27
              Minus you for emoticons and disrespect for the community.
          3. 0
            11 February 2023 09: 05
            Yevgeny Prigozhin officially announced the termination of recruitment in PMCs

            Comfort sofa generals, why didn't any of you pay attention to this statement?
            Maybe he's tired of all this, and you're just sucking on the English Channel
            1. -1
              11 February 2023 09: 26
              somewhere a month ago, hostile voices were voiced that Prigozhin collected well from prisons in the summer. they scored about 30 thousand ... in the fall, the number increased little, like the prisoners got it wrong ... now I see confirmation of those words if Prigogine himself is silent ... I think we will soon find out the secret of Wagner efficiency when the eyewitnesses return
              1. +3
                11 February 2023 09: 54
                Sadam, convicts are also different: some for "mokruha", others are thieves, others are stupid.
                Someone thought that war was a walk ... it doesn't look quite right.
          4. +1
            12 February 2023 11: 36
            Get your feet off the couch and teach. How to fight. How to bow to bullets and act with couch groups on the front lines.
        2. -3
          10 February 2023 22: 33
          Quote: Damir Zakirov
          In other words, the demilitarization of Ukraine is going on in a ratio that is favorable for us.

          Moreover, the demilitarization of NATO with the splitting of this bloc.
          It is simply amazing, even those who themselves say that all of NATO is at war with Russia, as it was not Germany that fought in WWII, but ALL Europe - they still do not understand that we will not achieve our goal, EVEN by throwing Banderlog out of the Carpathians. We are at war with the bloc!
          1. -2
            10 February 2023 22: 46
            Quote from Bingo
            Quote: Damir Zakirov
            In other words, the demilitarization of Ukraine is going on in a ratio that is favorable for us.

            Moreover, the demilitarization of NATO with the splitting of this bloc.
            It is simply amazing, even those who themselves say that all of NATO is at war with Russia, as it was not Germany that fought in WWII, but ALL Europe - they still do not understand that we will not achieve our goal, EVEN by throwing Banderlog out of the Carpathians. We are at war with the bloc!

            Correctly understood my comment! Europe "collapses" faster than the Russian Federation. That is why the "reins were held back" in the NWO, since time does not play on Europe.
            1. +2
              11 February 2023 03: 16
              That is why the "reins were held back" in the NWO, since time does not play on Europe.

              Come on ... Does anyone here in VO understand this. It's just that "collapsing" Europe is not very profitable for us. The US is profitable, but we are not. All we need is for Europe to change its outlook. There are chances for this - since the worldview of a European directly depends on whether he can go on vacation at least to Turkey. But it won't be fast.
              1. +3
                11 February 2023 08: 01
                Collapsing Europe today is more profitable than the Russian Federation than the United States. In the conflict over the buffer countries of Poland-Ukraine, Europe clearly, like a faithful dog, barks and bites the Russian Federation. Therefore, they need to be deprived of production, the economy, like the Baltic states ... and people themselves will scatter from unemployment and fall asleep from old age.
            2. +3
              11 February 2023 03: 35
              Europe "collapses" faster than the Russian Federation.

              Very interesting opinion - probably based on a deep knowledge of the subject.
              However, let's return to the discussion in a year and discuss.
              1. 0
                11 February 2023 09: 58
                let's come back to the discussion in a year

                Well, if to the English Channel, as Prigogine said, then in five.)
        3. -9
          10 February 2023 22: 39
          Quote: Zakirov Damir

          Yes, the goal is not to seize territories, especially by a certain date.

          Firstly, there is a loss ratio of 10:1 and this suits the Russian Federation. In other words, the demilitarization of Ukraine is going on in a ratio that is favorable for us.

          Well, about losses, as I see information from various sources, you wishful thinking.
          1. +2
            10 February 2023 22: 55
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Well, about losses, as I see information from various sources, you wishful thinking.

            One must think that with superiority in artillery by 10 times, despite the fact that in the NMD there is no assault from our side with tank lava, and units are knocked out, according to the dill, it is with artillery, in our attack - just such a ratio. But if you take into account the simply ugly filling of positions with corpses under the same Estuary, then 1 to 10 is even too optimistic for dill
          2. -3
            10 February 2023 23: 30
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Zakirov Damir

            Yes, the goal is not to seize territories, especially by a certain date.

            Firstly, there is a loss ratio of 10:1 and this suits the Russian Federation. In other words, the demilitarization of Ukraine is going on in a ratio that is favorable for us.

            Well, about losses, as I see information from various sources, you wishful thinking.

            On the contrary - he gave out an underestimated ratio! I believe that the real ratio is in the range of 10-15: 1. Not only weapons, but also losses are being tested.

            You just can't understand that the ratio of 10:1 is the ratio with which we can effectively fight NATO without resorting to nuclear weapons. And the level of the Ukrainian army is already much higher than the level of many NATO countries.

            Your Israel, the army of the Russian Federation, would roll out at the expense of one or two, since you are not ready to fight to the fullest and with heavy losses. I understand your "Jewish exclusivity" and "stake on high technology", but you are techies, not warriors, no matter how you swagger in the Middle East in front of the Arabs.

            You know how to fight only "under the roof" and "under cover." I don’t want to offend you, but while 6 million Jews meekly, like sheep, went to the slaughter in the crematoriums of German concentration camps, 6 dead Russians broke the back of the Third Reich.
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        4. +1
          11 February 2023 00: 05
          And fifthly, logistics to the eastern regions of Ukraine is much easier for the Russian army. Delivery to the western regions, except for distances, will be problematic due to the active sabotage activities of ideological ukrov.
        5. +1
          11 February 2023 04: 53
          However, during the course of the JEE, four positive points emerged, which I have indicated above.

          I like your inspiring optimism - to find the positive in everything!
          Really, why should we rush?
          And it's just not interesting to fight now. Here the Leopards, Abrams and others like them will throw up - at least the excitement will appear - will they get stuck in the mud, collapse with bridges, or simply crumble from old age?
          And if the planes are sent to grind - generally good, spectacular, you have to wait.
          And in general, with losses of 1:10, or as they say more realistically, 1:15, yes, in two years - in general, we will calmly grind the entire payroll of the NATO armies along with the incoming equipment - without moving!
        6. +1
          11 February 2023 08: 51
          Aaron Zawi
          "before October-November will not happen"
          You did not specify the year, so the "author's" ones will have to wait.
      2. -12
        11 February 2023 00: 12
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Can I ask Prigogine for copyright? laughing
        I wrote about three months ago that the complete seizure of the territory of the LDNR before October-November will not happen.

        who cares, and the Jews profit .. laughing
        Write the card number, or the shekels will be personally brought to you by an Arab such, you are the main Aron, do not kill him with fear)))) The author is our analyst ..
        Where is Professor Aaron? Blown up getting shekels?
      3. -4
        11 February 2023 00: 55

        Aron Zaawi (Aron)
        Yesterday, 20: 47
        NEW

        -9
        Can I ask Prigogine for copyright? laughing
        I wrote about three months ago that the complete seizure of the territory of the LDNR before October-November will not happen.
        you, smelly with soft do not confuse. fool Do not "capture", but release! It is in your state CAPTURE!
        1. -2
          11 February 2023 01: 09
          Quote: aszzz888

          Aron Zaawi (Aron)
          Yesterday, 20: 47
          NEW

          -9
          Can I ask Prigogine for copyright? laughing
          I wrote about three months ago that the complete seizure of the territory of the LDNR before October-November will not happen.
          you, smelly with soft do not confuse. fool Do not "capture", but release! It is in your state CAPTURE!

          Who would argue ...
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    2. +3
      10 February 2023 20: 51
      Well, you've heard.. "Ten million Americans have applied for "musicians".... wassat Joke of humor
      1. -8
        10 February 2023 21: 15
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Well, you heard .. "Ten million Americans applied to" musicians ".... A joke of humor

        But rather true.
    3. -9
      10 February 2023 21: 14
      Quote from ivan1979nkl
      here from this place in more detail, pzhalsta

      Well, call Prigogine, what is the question.
      1. +3
        11 February 2023 03: 00

        tihonmarine (Vlad)
        Yesterday, 21: 15
        NEW

        -1
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Well, you heard .. "Ten million Americans applied to" musicians ".... A joke of humor

        But rather true.
        Reply

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  2. +1
    10 February 2023 20: 38
    if we have to go to the English Channel, then I have my own perfect plan

    Prigozhin in his repertoire is a wonderful, honest man with a sense of humor. I respect you very much!
    1. +1
      10 February 2023 20: 41
      Quote: Vyacheslav57
      if we have to go to the English Channel, then I have my own perfect plan

      Prigozhin in his repertoire is a wonderful, honest person. I respect you very much!

      Excellent sense of humor, especially about the US terrorist state. How not to remember: who threw the boots on the remote control?
      1. +2
        10 February 2023 20: 49
        Quote: Balu
        Excellent sense of humor, especially about the US terrorist state.

        And this. SNN to Prigozhin - "How would you comment on the fact that they stopped taking prisoners to Wagner?" -
        I received a million offers from the Americans about the desire to serve in the Wagner PMC, so the need for prisoners has disappeared so far. "
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          1. +2
            10 February 2023 22: 45
            You with such a worldview only fool. You cannot distinguish banal trolling from official statements. Do you think you have dotted the I's? I will upset you a little and bring you back to earth, with this approach they will soon dot you.
          2. -1
            11 February 2023 07: 13
            Quote: vlad20000
            to a criminal comely?

            Actually, from the scrip and prison... And the person who served the sentence is clean..and is not a criminal in your expression! For example, the Bolsheviks in their mass were criminals, and many great Ukrainians in the government of the country were real criminals, by the way, Tymoshenko did not rewind the term to the end. The main thing is that we don’t have clowns, who escaped, and who runs after being wounded in a soft spot, takes his niche in the news ... And in the country, I’m now watching quarter 95 is buzzing! How is it, Zelya, where are the landings ?!
            1. +2
              11 February 2023 09: 10
              Well, yes, then, according to your "logic", your "Prophet" Solzhenitsyn, enemies of the USSR, was a criminal.
              1. +1
                12 February 2023 01: 13
                He was a traitor! But with money, Western services, various promotions and media promotion created a legonized image and introduced it into people's heads.
    2. 0
      11 February 2023 22: 37
      How did they put such an honest man in jail for a long time?
  3. +5
    10 February 2023 20: 40
    As Prigozhin noted, if in the process of a special military operation it is necessary to reach the Dnieper River, then the fulfillment of this task will stretch for three years.

    Three years is if there is no strengthening of our group in Ukraine, the continuation of the supply of Ukraine by the West and dozens of other factors, up to a change in strategy.
  4. 0
    10 February 2023 20: 42
    Prigozhin, a dangerous type. If he says something, then everything is on point. No hatred, empty promises and stupid antics on camera. And about the English Channel, what to say, I think he really has ideas how to implement it. After all, he found an elegant solution by sending assault groups consisting of s / c to the most difficult areas.
    1. 0
      10 February 2023 22: 13
      This decision is valid as long as it is possible to draw convicts from prisons.
  5. -4
    10 February 2023 20: 42
    Chot is strange.
    The LPR is completely liberated - https://topwar.ru/198534-glava-minoborony-rf-dolozhil-prezidentu-o-polnom-osvobozhdenii-lnr.html

    And the DPR by 60% - https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/983401-pushilin-uskorenie-osvobozhdenie-donbasss

    That is, to free 40% of the territory for 2 whole years? Why?
    1. +6
      10 February 2023 20: 53
      Yes, because no one knows in advance. What will happen in the near future
    2. +12
      10 February 2023 20: 59
      Quote: Shoulder straps
      ... That is, to free 40% of the territory for 2 whole years? Why?

      Because the state of the Russian Federation is completely ready for the NWO and everything is going according to plan. )))
    3. 0
      10 February 2023 22: 14
      Because the strongest fortifications and a large grouping of the enemy in urban agglomerations remained there.
    4. +3
      11 February 2023 09: 10
      Open the map and click on satellite view. And you will see such an insignificant Slavic-Kramatorsk-Druzhkovsko-Konstantnovskiy agglomerate there. In terms of building area, this is more than Kharkov with factories of the level of Azovstal and Ilyich.
      1. 0
        11 February 2023 09: 39
        Are they planning to visit Kramatorsk for a year and a half? hmm .. there one and a half cripples lived before the war .. and 2 million Kharkiv etozh Vova's term will not be enough until the 36th year
        it’s somehow too pessimistic ... well, if not for the anniversary, then at least for the elections in a year, then they should celebrate
        1. +2
          11 February 2023 10: 58
          Once again, open the map.

          In Kramatorsk, 150k lived last year - and in terms of area it is x4 Artemovsk / Bakhmut, while with normal buildings and enterprises of the level of NKMZ or tyazhmashzavod.

          At the same time, do not forget that this is a large industrial agglomeration - where in fact 4 cities pass into each other. Konstantinovka x1,5 Artemovsk / Bakhmut - Druzhkovka (9 km) x1 Artemovsk / Bakhmut - Kramatorsk x4 Artemovsk / Bakhmut (5 km) - Slavyansk x2 Artemovsk / Bakhmut (5 km). And the suburbs are intensively built up + a lot of infrastructure (railway, highways, roads, paved country roads, etc.)
    5. 0
      11 February 2023 11: 38
      If the Russian Federation has a 3 army on its face, trained and armed from the material side in the likeness of Wagner PMCs, then the war ended in a maximum of a year!
  6. +5
    10 February 2023 20: 44
    Mdyayaya ... If Prigogine already sets such deadlines, then, in the plans of the towers, victory is not listed? Interestingly, without the English Channel, can an ideal plan be realized? To Lvov?
    1. +8
      10 February 2023 21: 18
      Quote: Arbeiternegast
      Interestingly, without the English Channel, can an ideal plan be realized? To Lvov?

      It is possible to Lviv, but without the English Channel it is impossible.
      1. -1
        11 February 2023 00: 00
        So, it seems to me, if you implement it well before Lvov, then beyond the English Channel many will become ill, their stomachs will loosen! And for three years to mess around with xx'lams ... who knows, they will begin to churn out mountains of weapons across the ocean, and transport them in a stream. I really don't want that twist. After all, from the beginning they were also afraid to drive the heavy vehicles to Ukraine, and now they have already begun to train pilots on F16, just in case ...
  7. -8
    10 February 2023 20: 48
    Prigogine is cool, cool. Eh, there are few such peppers. And here shit climbs out of all the cracks. Here it turned out that a 21-year-old sucker, the son of another official, will supply special uniforms to the troops at cosmic prices
    1. +2
      10 February 2023 21: 19
      Quote: Glagol1
      And here shit climbs out of all the cracks.

      I wonder why you, the word "Here", write with a capital letter?
      1. -3
        10 February 2023 22: 54
        Evidently he studied at ROGULSK. But it is curable.
  8. Eug
    0
    10 February 2023 20: 50
    Before the Dnieper - it is unrealistic, this statement is "strengthening the negotiating position" and nothing more. And Zaporozhye (to a lesser extent), and the Dnieper (the city - we called it that way back in the 80s, so it doesn’t jar me), and Kherson - are separated by the Dnieper River, and then what about those parts that are on the Right Bank ? Dnieper river,
    as for me, it definitely cannot be a border, although everything happens in life .. the same Gerlitz - Zgorzhelec, although the scale cannot be compared ..
    And the termination of the conscription of the s / c, as for me, means a very close transition of the Strange (I read this name here on VO) Military Operation to the negotiation stage.
    1. +11
      10 February 2023 21: 09
      If we stop at the current front line, then the land corridor to Crimea will be the road of death shot through by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there will be no peace in Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, Lugansk regions and Crimea - there will be constant shelling from behind the Dnieper, about any socio-economic development of the returned regions RF can be safely forgotten.

      That is, the SVO and tens of thousands of Russian heroes who died in the fields of Ukraine were in vain - the situation has essentially not changed since 2014.

      And after a temporary and unstable regular truce in 3-5 years, a new, much more bloody war awaits us with a rearmed, rested, revanchist and still Nazi Ukraine, which has weapons of mass destruction.

      There will be no peace without access to the Kyiv-Odessa highway along its entire length and without the liberation of the ports of Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson.
    2. -17
      10 February 2023 21: 12
      Quote: Eug
      And the termination of the conscription s/k, as for me

      Just do not invent and invent why Prigozhin refused the CC. Everything is simply banal. There is such an organization as the "Soldier's Mothers" and the like. Large-scale actions were organized throughout Russia and an Appeal was written to the Ministry of Defense and the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation on the illegal involvement of prisoners in hostilities. On behalf of the mothers, wives and brides of these prisoners. The Internet is full of these Appeals. Apparently this played a role.
      1. +8
        10 February 2023 21: 30
        Here you already come up with).
        In the Russian Federation, there were a little more than 450 thousand prisoners.
        Throw away minors, women and the disabled. Throw away the colony-settlement and with short terms. Throw away the finished inadequate. Throw away the ideological thieves.

        How many are left with a strict regime, with a long term, fit for health reasons and not terrorists?
        And so that they would go to their death of their own free will?

        They just ran out.

        And the noise of non-soldier mothers is heard, questions are heard on the verge of accusation about their control. And someone else slammed the Dnrov skull lover.
      2. +1
        10 February 2023 21: 32
        When the ZK died, the state actually didn’t care about their lives. The state was not responsible for them. Now there will be no CC, the mobilized will die more and the state will already bear responsibility for them. This is where the "soldier's mothers" and the like will "turn around". So the reason that they abandoned the zk is not in this, but in something completely different.
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        +3
        11 February 2023 00: 33
        Quote: Vyacheslav57
        Prigogine refused zk.

        He remembers and refused PMCs.
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  10. -11
    10 February 2023 20: 52
    This is treason!!! The people's money for defense is appropriated by another official! Where are the investigators and the FSB? Down?!
    1. +7
      10 February 2023 21: 26
      There is not a word in the article about money and officials at all. What are you about?
  11. -7
    10 February 2023 20: 54
    It seems to me that ours decided to prolong the war in order to bankrupt the West, to ruin everything with their own hands, the conflict to exhaustion.
    1. +12
      10 February 2023 21: 03
      Quote from fezm.fan
      It seems to me that ours decided to stretch the war in order to bankrupt the West

      Yeah, "while the fat one dries, the fat one dies" laughing Do you know this proverb?
      1. +2
        10 February 2023 21: 30
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        fat will die

        Pissed off to blame, the thin one will die. )))
      2. -3
        10 February 2023 21: 56
        What's the use of the saying, the real economy is ours, but don't talk about the super duper capitalization of the apple. Let's wait and see who was right.
        1. +1
          11 February 2023 22: 51
          Are you aware that the real economy is entirely dependent on machine tools? And that normal (and not "the best in the world") machines are produced exclusively in sanctioned countries?
      3. 0
        11 February 2023 09: 19
        You know, tramp, at first the plans were different, but the idea is good.)
    2. +1
      10 February 2023 21: 03
      Oh ho .. you need to think at least sometimes. I suggest .. the GDP of countries. Compare. The army depends on the economy.

      The sparkling photo showed the daughter of the American billionaire Vanderbilt in an evening dress. There were furs and feathers, silk and pearls, lightness of cut, an unusual and breathtaking hairstyle.
      It decided everything.
      - Wow! Ella said to herself. It meant: "Either I, or she."
      ... A dog skin representing a muskrat was bought with a work loan.
      The dress, trimmed with a dog, dealt the arrogant Vanderbildiha the first well-aimed blow.
      The billionaire swayed, but apparently she was saved by the loving papa Vanderbilt.
      1. +2
        10 February 2023 21: 36
        Quote from starina
        The army depends on the economy.

        This is not an axiom for everyone. ))) Thanks for the apt comparison from Ilf and Petrov. good
      2. -6
        10 February 2023 22: 19
        Quote from starina
        Oh ho .. you need to think at least sometimes. I suggest .. the GDP of countries. Compare. The army depends on the economy.

        Run around with this mantra for many years like a written sack, according to it, we should have eaten the last fly agaric without salt for a long time, but something does not add up.
        1. +3
          10 February 2023 22: 42
          Those. Acacia batteries, 76 years of release, tanks t 62, infantry fighting vehicles 1 and howitzers d 1 arr. 1943 in the army does not hint at anything?
          Well, then it probably won't work.

          It's all the liberals' fault.
          And 5 columns.
          And Jews.
          And cyclists.
          1. -4
            10 February 2023 23: 02
            Quote from Gromit
            .e. Acacia batteries, 76 years of release, tanks t 62, infantry fighting vehicles 1 and howitzers d 1 arr. 1943 in the army does not hint at anything?
            Well, then it probably won't work.

            Quote from Gromit
            And Jews.

            Jews unconditionally. Type Abramovich and others like him.
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  12. -11
    10 February 2023 20: 59
    perhaps the only adequate of the entire modern army zombie camarilla calling itself like Konashenkov and other generals of the General Staff
  13. +2
    10 February 2023 21: 02
    War is a job for Prigozhin and PMC Wagner.
    Who wants to quickly lose such a high-paying job?
    This music will be eternal.
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 09: 08
      This music will be eternal.

      And the fact that he stopped recruiting to the team, how to explain this?
      1. +1
        11 February 2023 09: 27
        This is due to the low motivation and low efficiency of convicts, behind whose backs you need to put on a detachment.
  14. -1
    10 February 2023 21: 03
    If we need to go to the Dnieper, then for three years
    This is probably only by the forces of PMCs ...
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 09: 14
      No, Lesovik, this is without "musicians", because recruitment to the team has been "stopped" ...
      Interestingly, Prigogine did not say ... "finished"
  15. +13
    10 February 2023 21: 03
    With the current strategy, when every village is stormed head-on, and the enemy’s transport infrastructure is not touched, you can fight not for 3 years, but 30. So Prigozhin is still an optimist.

    However, maybe this is someone's plan? The longer the war goes on, the more dough you can master.
    1. -4
      11 February 2023 05: 53
      With the current strategy, when every village is stormed head-on


      With the current strategy, in the not too distant future, these villages will have no one to defend

       and the transport infrastructure of the enemy does not touch


      It is very funny to read this after yesterday's and today's raids. Turbines, engine rooms, even the bridge in Zatoka, everything as you ordered.

      However, maybe this is someone's plan?


      Reptilians, and who else?
  16. -1
    10 February 2023 21: 05
    Handsome ... trolling of the highest level)))
    And I'm also interested in the forecast to the Hudson wassat
  17. -4
    10 February 2023 21: 09
    Quote: Shoulder straps

    And the DPR by 60% - https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/983401-pushilin-uskorenie-osvobozhdenie-donbasss

    That is, to free 40% of the territory for 2 whole years? Why

    The main thing is not to regroup and not leave equipment with ammunition for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Under Ugledar, our tank column was not a red field by chance, what was left in the regroupings, destroyed more than 30 units?
  18. 0
    10 February 2023 21: 12
    In two or three years: "either Prigozhin or the Emir or the donkey."

    How can Prigozhin know the volume and, most importantly, the content of arms supplies to Ukraine even this year? Even if we assume that he is 100% aware of the capacities and prospects for the development of enterprises in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.

    It’s only easy to judge the period of the Second World War: “Germany was filled up with corpses,” and there seems to be nothing to think about ..... any semi-fool of the Patriotic War could, as it were, win ... Once - and Victory!

    And then - wow! It turns out that you can pile corpses to hell, but to no avail ... Well, who would have thought such a thing?
  19. -8
    10 February 2023 21: 12
    Blame PMC Wagner. Just like the guys who fought in Gostomel. By the way, February 24.02 is coming soon. Now read what they write about them. Even on this site there is "zero" information.
  20. -1
    10 February 2023 21: 18
    What interesting was the Moscow Region counting on without Wagner? Strange preparation for SVO.
  21. +1
    10 February 2023 21: 21
    The private opinion of the head of the illegal armed formations, expressed to a correspondent representing himself.
  22. -7
    10 February 2023 21: 35
    you can quickly use nuclear weapons to help the world need a house to start negotiating! the world will be divided into blocks whoever has the technology will win the technology of the future!
  23. -2
    10 February 2023 21: 40
    Or maybe these dates are not a coincidence. Under some plausible pretext, you can cancel the 2024 presidential election ... for example ...
  24. -2
    10 February 2023 21: 43
    And who will win, he did not predict?

    I believe that predicting the course of hostilities is more difficult than predicting the weather. Especially if you are not a military genius, but a manager from a restaurant...

    The only strange thing is that Gerasimov is not asked ... There is no such authority! Where is he!!! And in general, who commands whom? The impression created by the media is that the commander-in-chief is Prigogine.

    The main thing is that Gerasimov did not trample the zone. In Russian: if you haven’t been sitting, then you can’t consider a person either ... So .... bullshit, ... fraerok ...
  25. +1
    10 February 2023 22: 52
    Prigozhin knows how not only to mock the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also to bring to life couch turbo-patriots, who either took Kyiv in 3 days, or painted plans for the quick release of the Odessa and Nikolaev regions. But this is the reality and these are the deadlines, and you need to think and act with a sense of this reality.
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 10: 58
      Is it the function of a commander to bring to life "fraer-patriots"? Or "authority" in the cell?
      It looks like you do not distinguish between the first and second.

      Strelkov was subjected to psychological terror because he directly called Prigozhin's real profession ... Manager. A kind of nugget that has no military education.

      Once again, because I see that your memory is bad - who commands whom? Gerasimov Prigogine or vice versa?

      Where does it happen that no one asks the boss, and herds of journalists hover around the subordinate?
  26. -6
    11 February 2023 02: 11
    Mr. Prigozhin clearly does not count on the number of remaining raguli suitable for burial, he thinks more broadly ... Poles, prebalts and they say .. Romanians (if they decide after the end of the raguli) will be enough for one and a half or two ... laughing Troll 80 level.
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 23: 05
      The main thing is that you have enough. Although, judging by the "Hayate" on your avatar, you are ready for an honorable but useless death for the Emperor.
  27. -1
    11 February 2023 06: 15
    Prigozhin is not informed by the General Staff, the Ministry of Defense and the President of the Russian Federation about their plans. How would he know how the SVO operation will go in the future? He knows only the operational situation from the commanders of the fronts - only, and can only announce the future results of tactical operations to capture the defensive lines of IEDs and settlements. But it would be quite logical if he participates in the information operation of our General Staff to bring disinformation to the enemy. Then he is great!
  28. -2
    11 February 2023 08: 50
    Quote from ivan1979nkl
    if we have to go to the English Channel
    from this place in more detail

    There is nothing new in this, the war with NATO is already underway. The development of events depends on their participation (the United States will surrender Europe, and will not fight for them) ... Remember the forecast for the future:
    1) Kharkov will be destroyed
    2) Russia will include countries ...
    1. +1
      11 February 2023 09: 10
      A war with NATO is not when they agree on the dispatch of 100 of these for a year and bring them by plane one by one.
      The war with NATO is all combat-ready tanks available, with crews.
  29. +3
    11 February 2023 08: 59
    Quote: Damir Zakirov
    Firstly, there is a loss ratio of 10:1 and this suits the Russian Federation.
    Secondly, demilitarization is going on in four regions, without destroying the remaining 20 regions of Ukraine, which we have to restore.

    why restore if all people will be destroyed?

    Quote: Damir Zakirov
    Thirdly, there is a weakening of the West - curtailment of production, unemployment, inflation. In addition, and most importantly, political discord in Europe is beginning.

    Production is not all curtailed, there are those that increase production volumes. Inflation has been declining for 6-8 months after the last maximum. It is in the Russian Federation that inflation is accelerating, as evidenced by the hints of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation about a possible imminent increase in the key rate. A huge budget deficit, which is covered by the fact that the Ministry of Finance sells the arrested US Treasury bonds to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, i.e. in fact, just like that, for no reason, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation hands over printed rubles to the Ministry of Finance. It won't happen without boosting inflation. In short, hello nineties, as you have been gone for a long time, we miss you!
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  31. +1
    11 February 2023 09: 01
    It’s farther to the English Channel than to the Dnieper offhand, every 10 times. We are “for three years” to the Dnieper. Those. on offer:
    a) to conduct military operations in Ukraine for at least another 2-3 years.
    b) fight with NATO. (against the background of scandals with uniforms and factories)
    c) fight for 30 years laughing this is the icing on the cake. In World War II, we almost depleted the human resource in 4 years and fell into the second demographic hole. And here 30 years. Yes, this is almost a gift to the West. it turns out - a plan for the self-elimination of the Slavic countries from Eastern Europe to the Pacific Ocean.
    1. -2
      11 February 2023 09: 42
      Quote from DMFalke
      It’s farther to the English Channel than to the Dnieper offhand, every 10 times. We are “for three years” to the Dnieper. Those. on offer:
      a) to conduct military operations in Ukraine for at least another 2-3 years.
      b) fight with NATO. (against the background of scandals with uniforms and factories)
      c) fight for 30 years laughing this is the icing on the cake. In World War II, we almost depleted the human resource in 4 years and fell into the second demographic hole. And here 30 years. Yes, this is almost a gift to the West. it turns out - a plan for the self-elimination of the Slavic countries from Eastern Europe to the Pacific Ocean.


      It is also worth considering that not everyone in Russia wants to go to war. What to do with them? request
  32. 0
    11 February 2023 09: 02
    Quote: Zakirov Damir
    Firstly, there is a loss ratio of 10:1 and this suits the Russian Federation.

    But if we compare the populations of Germany and Ukraine (I write them with a small letter on purpose):
    then the latter should lose 790 thousand people (excluding the wounded) - based on (the battle of Moscow, the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk), which is still 22% as of 14.01.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX

    As for 2 years for the liberation of the LDNR, Prigozhin is right - the main thing is victory, not deadlines.
  33. +1
    11 February 2023 09: 14
    Quote: NikolayDS
    It's just that "collapsing" Europe is not very profitable for us.

    Russia benefits from the fall of the European economy:
    1. We will sell industrial products to them, as well as to the mills to which they sold them before.
    2. The NATO military bloc will be technologically reduced.

    A new war with us (in Europe) - they will no longer be able to start, because. their economy will be destroyed.
    And to fight with us "from across the ocean" - will not work.
  34. +3
    11 February 2023 09: 17
    This is an answer to those who adore our president, all the power ministers, and Konashenkov's reports, who wanted to take on February 24 and quickly demitalize and denazify Ukraine ... In 3-4 months. And now they don't know how to get out of what they've gotten themselves into.
    The war will apparently last at least until the elections in 24. And then, no speeches on "we are in Paradise, and they are in Hell" will not affect the people. Everyone saw with their own eyes that this government does not know how to plan military operations, for 8 years it was engaged in fraud, and not preparing for the NMD and re-equipping the army, the intelligence of this government was completely successful in assessing the situation in Ukraine before the NMD, this government did not care about the large losses of drugs and equipment and it does not reveally punish, does not remove stupid military commanders, because they are devoted to this power. With this power, even the most stubborn patriot became convinced that we do not have the army that was shown to us at pompous parades and exercises on TV. And there is a crowd of conscripted children in the army who cannot be sent anywhere to fight, and there is a crowd of contract soldiers, half of whom, it turns out, served just for the sake of a bean and preferential mortgages. And to fight - no no no. And they fled in all directions. It was under this government in the NMD that it turned out that the equipment in the army is modern and 70% NEW only in the imagination of the Minister of Defense. And the army is fighting with the methods and equipment of the 70-80s. SVO, if the Kremlin remembers, began in 2022. That is, the equipment of which is already 30-50 years old. Such a government will not pass the elections. If they are not canceled, of course, and the results are not rigged. The populace will expect smart decisions, swift strikes and a quick victory. And he will get a sluggish, increasingly bloody and destructive war for years. This is a verdict from the people of power.
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 09: 46
      Quote: BorzRio
      Under this government, even the most stubborn patriot became convinced that we do not have the army that was shown to us at pompous parades and exercises on TV


      Judging by the comments on the site, you are very mistaken. hi
      Here you read - so Russia can at any moment erase the whole of Ukraine into powder without any damage to itself, but it shows goodwill instead and threatens with a finger.
      But if anything ... Then how will it give! angry
  35. 0
    11 February 2023 11: 10
    Quote: BorzRio
    The war will apparently last at least until the elections in 24.

    there will be no elections at all in 24, under the pretext of martial law.
    the war itself will last 15 years, until the overthrow of the ruler. And then the situation gradually, not immediately, will begin to change for the better. If we rely on the previous experience of our country, then, for example, Stalin died in 1953, and 8 years later, in 1961, at the 22nd Congress of the CPSU, they were able to talk about Stalin's crimes. There will be something like that, the ruler will not change for the next 15 years, plus another 8 years it will take to ensure that right in Russia, right according to Russian laws, any public justification of Putin's actions is a criminal offense.
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 11: 39
      Heh ... Heh ... Do you seriously believe in the principled position of those who "denounced the crimes of Stalin"?

      From 1923 to 1941, Stalin did not hold positions in the government at all, but was engaged in work in elected and subordinate posts: Secretary of the Central Committee and Deputy of the Top of the Council .....

      The problem was and still lies in the fact that Russia, under a variety of laws, lives as an Absolute Monarchy. That is, our main Law is not the Constitution, but uniform lawlessness.

      Therefore, "crimes" are remembered not when a gang of lawless people commits them, but after 20-30 years.
      under the next kings. When a new gang comes to replace the old one.
    2. 0
      11 February 2023 23: 11
      We drag that back at the Twentieth Congress in 1956 the cult of personality was exposed.
  36. +2
    11 February 2023 12: 09
    I think it is necessary to mobilize all (men and women) pensioners or people from 50-80 to the front. this will free up the budget and breathe new strength into your
  37. -1
    11 February 2023 12: 22
    Quote: Stanislav Sorvinn
    Heh ... Heh ... Do you seriously believe in the principled position of those who "denounced the crimes of Stalin"?

    I don't even doubt their integrity.

    Quote: ivan2022
    From 1923 to 1941, Stalin did not hold positions in the government at all, but was engaged in work in elected and subordinate posts: Secretary of the Central Committee and Deputy of the Top of the Council .....

    The then government consisted of communists, and strictly implemented the decisions of the Politburo, so then everyone clearly knew that the real power was the PB and the Secretariat of the Central Committee. That is why the times in the USSR are divided into: Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev times, etc. and not at all on the Rykov, Molotov, Bulganin or Tikhonov. There was no Tikhonov period, there was Brezhnev, and so on.
    Quote: ivan2022
    Therefore, "crimes" are remembered not when a gang of lawless people commits them, but after 20-30 years.
    under the next kings. When a new gang comes to replace the old one.

    The "crimes" of Gorbachev and Yeltsin were discussed directly when they were still presidents. It was only about Stalin's crimes that they started talking only 8 years after his death.
    By the way, this is a very indicative marker of whether the people chose the right president or not. If the "crimes" of the president are spoken about right during his lifetime, then the country is moving in the right direction. And if the ruler is sinless, then apparently the country has been brought somewhere in the wrong place
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    2. 0
      12 February 2023 11: 09
      Quote: Raisa_Fyodorovna

      I don't even doubt their integrity.


      The then government consisted of communists, and clearly carried out the decisions of the Politburo, so then everyone clearly knew that the real power was the PB and the Secretariat of the Central Committee .....
      The "crimes" of Gorbachev and Yeltsin were discussed directly when they were still presidents. It was only about Stalin's crimes that they started talking only 8 years after his death.
      By the way, this is a very indicative marker of whether the people chose the right president or not. If the "crimes" of the president are spoken about right during his lifetime, then the country is moving in the right direction. And if the ruler is sinless, then apparently the country has been brought somewhere in the wrong place

      As for the "marker" - did you come up with it yourself? The "marker" is your confidence that, in fact, "everyone clearly knew" that it was not necessary to comply with Soviet laws, probably because "they are not real", and the Soviet government itself is "not real". And only the King can be real.

      And so:
      The true marker is the psychology of the serfs who live under the Absolute Monarchy under any legislation and any power. And even in the 21st century, the President is elected for life. How Mikhail Romanov was elected in 1613.

      And about the fact that "they talk about crimes" - you simply touch with your naivety. About the "crimes of the Soviet government and Lenin" - they not only "spoke", but also waged a Civil War, raised rebellions and even relying on the help of Western interventionists.
  38. +2
    11 February 2023 22: 11
    clown,. is already being played, portraying an aviation navigator.
    Or instead of a sandbag?
    I would explain where the PMC's planes come from and how they are serviced, refueled, controlled by the ShBU and who pays whom for it.
    Even in the USSR, when flying to "chueie" airfields, food coupons and refueling coupons were issued for reporting purposes.
    A farce with PMCs only dishonors the Russian army.
  39. 0
    11 February 2023 23: 10
    I wonder what is the purpose of this statement? And Kherson beyond the Dnieper, that means more than three years? Why is he saying this? Are they preparing the electorate for a protracted conflict? Throwing in for Europe, that we are not in a hurry? In short, some questions..
  40. +2
    12 February 2023 00: 33
    I read the comments and was horrified by how many people have lost touch with reality.
    After all, it's already been a year!

    Once again I will answer on the supply of weapons from the West to Ukraine. They are UNLIMITED in our understanding.
    Even without taking into account the newly produced technology.
    Among US allies around the world, what is stored and will be brought there will be enough for many years of war, even theoretically.

    Then, for the production and supply of weapons to Ukraine, the United States in the future may harness Israel, Japan, and South Korea.
    Their military-industrial complex is not inferior to the European one.

    Russia will not physically pull such a tug-of-war with fifty countries of the world. of the entire Western world.
    And Zelensky, during his visit to Europe, according to rumors, has already been given the task of at least squeezing Russia into positions on February 23.
    And the upcoming arms deliveries are designed for this.
  41. 0
    12 February 2023 02: 49
    If we need to go to the Dnieper, then for three years, if we need to close the DPR and LPR, then we need to work for another year and a half or two, if we need to go to the English Channel, then I have my own ideal plan
    Well done! Our leadership has no plans for this, but it does! Can he expel the entire General Staff of the RF Armed Forces into ours, and put Prigozhin and his lads in their places? And most importantly, he knows what and how to do in order to achieve results.
    Our experts, frequenters of political talk shows, have a slightly different opinion. They suggest that "the Russian army will be able not only to seize the combat initiative, but also to carry out several successful offensives at once. This is also evidenced by the regrouping of troops that has begun.
    During the winter months, the Russian army stabilizes the front line. On the left bank of the Dnieper, several lines of echeloned defense are being built. New battalions are formed from those mobilized. In total, in the coming weeks, the Russian army may increase in number to 350 soldiers and officers. This will allow our army to develop offensive operations in the spring of 000. And already in the summer of 2023, Russian troops can liberate Krivoy Rog, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Closer to the fall of 2023, the complete liberation of Donbass, Zaporozhye, the return of Kherson and Kharkov are expected. Who is right, as always, time will tell.
  42. -1
    12 February 2023 06: 25
    - The young lady is asked whether to wash their neck for a large or small neckline?

    (c) M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin.
  43. -4
    12 February 2023 08: 51
    How is it to the Dnieper? Kyiv is also on the Dnieper ...
  44. -4
    12 February 2023 10: 07
    To the Dnieper is it to Kyiv or only to Dnepropetrovsk?
  45. 0
    12 February 2023 11: 46
    Bad prospects.................. That is, Prigozhin is going to storm each town for 3 months, until it is completely destroyed? I am not sure that we have enough manpower for this, and that our economy will withstand it for years, including the restoration of what was destroyed.
    If this year the Ukrainian front does not collapse and the army does not run, some kind of peace will have to be made.
  46. 0
    12 February 2023 18: 29
    Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
    We drag that back at the Twentieth Congress in 1956 the cult of personality was exposed.

    the fact that at the 20th congress a number of speakers condemned the cult of personality does not mean that they talked about Stalin's crimes. On the contrary, Khrushchev in his report emphasized the enormous merits of Stalin, and summing up he said (in essence and meaning) that the cult of personality is a common tragedy for both the Soviet people and Stalin.
  47. 0
    12 February 2023 18: 43
    Quote: ivan2022
    As for the "marker" - did you come up with it yourself? The "marker" is your confidence that, in fact, "everyone clearly knew" that it was not necessary to comply with Soviet laws, probably because "they are not real", and the Soviet government itself is "not real". And only the King can be real.

    no need to distort my words.
    I'm not saying "that in fact" everyone clearly knew "that it was not necessary to comply with Soviet laws", I'm saying that everyone knew that the real power was the PB and the Secretariat of the Central Committee, and not at all the Soviet government, which implements PB solutions. That is precisely why Stalin had tremendous power even at a time when he did not hold any state posts. It is enough that for several years Stalin was the only person in the country who was both a member of the PB and the general secretary. In the 1920s and until the mid-1930s, no one else, except Stalin, combined membership in the PB and work in the secretariat of the Central Committee.

    Quote: ivan2022
    And so:
    The true marker is the psychology of the serfs who live under the Absolute Monarchy under any legislation and any power. And even in the 21st century, the President is elected for life. How Mikhail Romanov was elected in 1613.

    these words of yours do not refute my words in any way, and I can easily agree with these words of yours

    Quote: ivan2022
    And about the fact that "they talk about crimes" - you simply touch with your naivety. About the "crimes of the Soviet government and Lenin" - they not only "spoke", but also waged a Civil War, raised rebellions and even relying on the help of Western interventionists.

    read again my previous statement, it was about the 22nd Congress of the CPSU in 1961, i.e. the communists themselves at their main forum spoke openly about the crimes of Stalin. It was not about dissidents or opponents of Soviet power. And my words about the 22nd Party Congress were said in relation to the future situation in the Russian Federation. Those. You didn't get the point of my statement.
  48. 0
    14 February 2023 19: 30
    I have a complicated relationship with Prigogine, I think he is the forerunner / first sign of the complete privatization of the initially state functions of our country.
    But specifically for this assessment, for the inconvenient truth, a HUGE THANK YOU to him!