The Netherlands announced the difficulties with the supply of fighters to Ukraine after receiving an application from Kyiv

The Netherlands, which promised Ukraine to "immediately consider" an application for the supply of fighter jets, announced difficulties with fulfilling Kyiv's request. The Ministry of Defense of the country is no longer eager to fulfill the requirements of "Ukrainian friends."

Ukraine applied to the Netherlands for the supply of F-16 fighters from the country's Air Force, having done everything as stated in Amsterdam. However, the Dutch government has already turned on the "back" and announced difficulties with the potential transfer of aircraft to Kyiv. The minister of defense of the kingdom, Kaisa Ollongren, was sent to voice this.

According to her, Zelensky’s request is not easy to fulfill at the moment, it is necessary to consult with the Americans and other NATO allies. In general, Amsterdam does not want to become the first country to supply fighter jets to Ukraine. In the meantime, they will hold consultations, you see, someone will come out ahead and send their planes to Kyiv. That's when you can join. By the way, Poland took the same position.

Ukraine really asked us to help with the supply of fighters. But this request is not easy to fulfill. We need to discuss the availability of the F-16 with the Americans and other allies.

Ollongren said.

The Netherlands is one of the most active sponsors of Ukraine in Europe, helping mainly with money, since they do not produce their own weapons. The option of supplying F-16s to Ukraine is being actively discussed in the government of the kingdom, this is one of the cases when Amsterdam can help Kyiv with equipment. Prime Minister Mark Rutte had previously promised Macron that he would make a decision on the planes "in the near future."

Comments

[incoggnoto]

Well, it was obvious .. it is clear that Kyiv will receive fighters. it’s more a question of when and how much of what modification, if we are talking about the f-16.
moreover, I don’t think that this will somehow greatly change the rules of the game and the result .. a fighter is not a tank .. it needs to be hidden somewhere .. and serviced

[credo]

Obviously, the stumbling block before the transfer of such serious weapons was the receipt of monetary compensation from the EU common fund.
Now most of the "philanthropists" of the EU countries have asked themselves the question of obtaining compensation, realizing that they will not receive anything from Ukraine, since the weapons turned out to be expensive and they really do not want to replace them with new purchases at their own expense.

[incoggnoto]

this does not apply to aviation, at least at this stage. Holland initially said that it was ready to consider the transfer of fighters that would be decommissioned. thus they wanted to save more than earn.

[credo]

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... Holland initially said that it was ready to consider the transfer of fighters that would be decommissioned. thus they wanted to save more than earn.

The tales that are being broadcast to us that NATO countries are ready to get rid of obsolete weapons by selling them off to Ukraine for a gift have nothing to do with reality and look like an ordinary lie, because we are talking about countries where making a profit and the cult of money are raised to the skies and they all profit from this conflict with great pleasure.

What can we say about the developed capitalist countries, even if our Defense Ministry does not sell weapons and uniforms from warehouses for scrap and for remelting, but sells them to merchants through bidding.

[Uprun]

They are waiting for the regional committee to appoint the chief for letaks, by analogy with the Schmolz - the chief for tanks.

[Bingo]

There, an even more interesting chip crawled out ...

Over the past five years, the Anglo-Utes have trained an average of 20-30 pilots a year with a flight time of about 250-300 hours per snout, but they are old like Magee Thatcher ("I still remember her as such a girl! "(c), the Hawk trainer is rotten - the engines need to be changed. Therefore, the plan for the current financial year is to prepare as many as ... two pilots!

Something tells me that the dill Luftwaffe in Britain will not be taught for sure ...

[Mavrikiy]

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Something tells me that the dill Luftwaffe in Britain will not be taught for sure ...

What's the difference, proud Poles are ready for anything for the sake of dough.

[blackGRAIL]

The demonstration party will most likely be trained. She will be engaged in photo shoots and PR. And when, at the command of the Americans, aircraft supplies begin, they will be controlled by foreign mercenaries.

[rocket757]

The Netherlands announced the difficulties with the supply of fighters to Ukraine after receiving an application from Kyiv

. And sho, they were going to deliver tomorrow ???

[Ivan Ivanov]

The main thing is not to fall for these statements, we already have enough experts like "will not reach", "ends", "positive signal from partners"

[tralflot1832]

The other day, our ambassador was summoned to the Dutch Foreign Ministry about the MH 17. And what did he say to them that the Dutch had problems with the supply of F 16 to Ukraine!

[I_Kov]

Your day is the same as ours, why kiss ... what, write like that? so write. Grasshopper, translate

[I dare to_notice_]

"We need to discuss F-16 availability with the Americans and other allies..."
And all because ... "Leopards" are German, F-16s are American ...
You generally live in the world by proxy! You don't have anything! You are a hungry man! (With)

[glebgornostaev2024]

They will pull for a long time, most likely they will not deliver

[Herman 4223]

We need to discuss with the Americans, it's cool!
It's like buying a car from a dealership and then asking the automakers for permission to sell it.

[rotmistr60]

the Dutch government has already turned on the "rear" and announced difficulties with the potential transfer of aircraft to Kyiv

The Dutch do not burn with the desire to be the first in the supply of aircraft. Another thing is interesting. Kyiv stubbornly demands planes while not yet having its own pilots who have been retrained on them, and if theoretically it already has, then only a few. So he's counting on foreigners? Even the British "bosom friends" and they excused themselves by saying that retraining would take at least 3 years.

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rotmistr60 (Gennady)
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the Dutch government has already turned on the "rear" and announced difficulties with the potential transfer of aircraft to Kyiv
The Dutch do not burn with the desire to be the first in the supply of aircraft. Another thing is interesting. Kyiv stubbornly demands planes while not yet having its own pilots who have been retrained on them, and if theoretically it already has, then only a few. So he's counting on foreigners? Even the British "bosom friends" and they excused themselves by saying that retraining would take at least 3 years.

Hello. It is quite possible that NATO pilots will be at the controls of the aircraft. They will retroactively make dismissals from the Armed Forces. They promise a lot of grandmas. There will be, and as ideological ones), and those who want to earn extra money.

[blackGRAIL]

Because the delivery must be massive and synchronous. Otherwise, there will be no effect. And as you rightly said, they will be piloted by foreign pilots. Neither England nor the Netherlands alone (as an example to follow) can do this. Here the command must be given by the Americans.

[Kuziming]

Once again about the cunning plan of the United States, or something went wrong:

1. The weakening of Germany and the strengthening of Poland.
The German economy has been hit hard by high energy prices. The Germans really looms either the transfer of production, or the reactivation of coal mines and the polar foxes of the entire environmental agenda. And this, for a second, is a change in the ruling elite.
Poland will gain territories both in case of a hypothetical victory of Ukraine, and in case of its defeat.
After that, Germany, in order to survive, will need to leave the EU and share Poland with Russia.
This is no better than the local Ukrainian conflict, but, I'm afraid, "the stuffing cannot be turned back."
Accordingly, now everyone on the European continent will concentrate weapons at home, and not give them to Ukrainians.

2. What gives a protracted war for the US?
It will be necessary to restore the steel industry, restore the education system, the middle class, the proletariat, factories, infrastructure, somehow motivate back the shareholders and beauty bloggers to cut the nut. And this, too, is a change of elites.
And they didn’t do the coup for that, white normal men were discriminated against in order to give power back to the production workers. A year and a half before the US elections, if by this time Ukraine is not erased from the agenda, then Trump will need to return power, apologize to normal white men, expel homosexuals from the army, imprison financial scammers, open factories, and immediately begin entering the difficult an economic crisis with falling living standards, the militarization of the economy, and the change of all talking heads in the political show.

3. In general, we have a similar situation, but industrialization is a problem of survival.
It is unlikely that anyone is attracted by the laurels of a martyr, such as Saddam, Milosevic, or Gaddafi.
Therefore, industrialization - to be.

[Bingo]

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And this, too, is a change of elites.

And you're kidding in vain. They didn't really have any options. And that's why the cries went up

The main problem in shipbuilding for the US Navy is the lack of human resources

They reached out to an unviable state that produced nothing but comics and cartoons. Therefore, shirking with zeal, they are dragging industry towards themselves - European firms from, for example, Germany, semiconductor production, which does not exist ... That's it, they have already stuck their heads in a big one ...
But what you rightly noticed is that this is a 180 turn, and you need to WRITE the power out - they won’t give it away just like that, and now will they succeed ... How? It’s not in the USSR to transport a village to a city, by the way, China is doing the same now - it’s in the city to put a “beauty blogger” to the machine, and he already has a thinking pattern - they only work with their hands in the Third World.
Everyone jumped - there are no labor reserves

[single-n]

Reminds the situation "I'm going to go beat him in the face (supply weapons), hold me seven!