The American edition called the number of Leopard 1 tanks that Germany is ready to supply to Ukraine

Germany decided to arm Ukraine with German tanks Leopard of the first series, the supply of equipment will come from the presence of the Rheinmetall concern and the Flensburger Fahrzeugbau Gesellschaft mbH (FFG) company, which together will transfer a three-digit number of heavy armored vehicles to the Ukrainian army. This is reported by Business Insider, citing an unnamed source.

According to the American edition, already today, ie. on Tuesday, the German government will give permission to Rheinmetall and FFG to transfer 187 Leopard 1 tanks to Kyiv from existing stock. However, not all of these tanks will be able to enter the battlefield, since at the moment it is not known what condition they are in. The total number of armored vehicles available in the two companies is simply named. To date, 88 tanks are in the warehouses of the Rheinmetall concern, and FFG has 99. Recall that the company from Flensburger is engaged in the modernization of military equipment, using the Leopard 1 tank as a base.

According to some estimates, in total Ukraine can receive up to 160 Leopard 1 tanks after repairs, the rest will be used for spare parts. The first vehicles will enter the Ukrainian army no earlier than mid-summer, and no one can say exactly how many tanks will be in the first batch.

Meanwhile, military experts call the transfer of Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine an attempt to shake off obsolete weapons and still make good money at the same time. The tank is not only outdated, but also with a 105-mm rifled gun, shells for which have not been produced for 40 years. It is stated that the tank will create additional problems for the APU with logistics, maintenance and use. However, Zelensky does not care about the opinion of experts, he needs tanks, moreover, Western-made. And what they will be - let the military figure it out, they will fight on them.

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[dmi.pris1]

I wonder how many Amerzian M60s are around the world? There will be more of these Germans. But in any case, these one and a half hundred can create a problem for ours. If they collect it all in a couple of fists.

[Machito]

88 tanks.
In fascist language, the abbreviation 88 means Heil Hitler, since the letter H is the eighth in the alphabet. It can often be found on the tattoos of captive dung beetles.

[Proxima]

Quote: Bearded

88 tanks.
In fascist language, the abbreviation 88 means Heil Hitler, since the letter H is the eighth in the alphabet. It can often be found on the tattoos of captive dung beetles.

Forum users, why are you downvoting a person? What didn't he say?

[Woroshilow]

Not yet captured Dungeon minus. blablabla too short comment))

[Vladislav VITGEFT]

I agree, he wrote everything correctly about Number 88.

[wty7777]

Ukrainians have a lot of support here, but usually they silently put minuses

[Egeny]

no one can say exactly how many tanks will be in the first batch.

in fact, it can ... Der Spiegel writes about 178 Leopard 1 tanks, specifying that the first 24 combat vehicles will arrive at the location of the Armed Forces of Ukraine no earlier than summer. Most of these tanks will be transferred only in 2024.
Serge, so here they are "minus" not on the case, but on the avka.)

[Sergey T19]

About 1 tanks. Only the states themselves.

[marchcat]

shake off obsolete weapons and still make good money

I wonder who will pay them for the tanks? Well, if only the EU folds ...

[volodimer]

I wonder who will pay them for the tanks? Well, if only the EU folds ...

So here is the trick, they will no longer need to be stored and maintained at home. Here is the profit for the former owners!

[marchcat]

Then it turns out not to earn, but to save ... these are slightly different things.

[Woroshilow]

Rheinmetall will work, and the German government will save

[Rosemary]

Quote: marchcat

Then it turns out not to earn, but to save ... these are slightly different things.

"Every dollar saved is a dollar earned" (c) Scrooge McDuck

[kor1vet1974]

shake off obsolete weapons and at the same time make good money.

How strong this statement is, no doubt

[Shket53]

Who writes these articles .... what the fuck 187 Leopard 1 for the transfer of territory 404 .... them ... in total, Germany has 88 in storage, and even those are only for scrap metal, the Greeks also have 500, but how many are in storage, how many in service, and in what condition ...

[rotmistr60]

the German government will give permission to Rheinmetall and FFG to transfer 187 Leopard 1 tanks to Kyiv

And how modestly the Germans started. At first they sang that Germany would never hand over its tanks to Ukraine. Then, after a "friendly" conversation held by the Americans, they agreed to 14 "Leopards"2. Then 88 more old Leopards were promised from a broad shoulder. And now Business Insider is already reporting 187. And what will happen tomorrow? In this case, it doesn't matter if 14 or more German tanks hit Ukraine, it's important that they shoot at Russian military units.

[Uncle lee]

American The publication named the number of Leopard 1 tanks that Germany is ready to supply to Ukraine

And how many Amers say - stock and give!

[tihonmarine]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And how many Amers say - stock and give!

The Germans are no longer asked, they are ordered.

[North Caucasus]

agreed to 14 "Leopards"2. Then, with a broad shoulder, they promised another 88 old "Leopards

It turns out a symbolic number, 1488. Well, this is not without reason! Another reference to Hitler!?

[Petr_Koldunov]

And they don’t want to put the Shermans there for the Chewbaks? Or a batch of General Grant tanks?
And the silly-silly chubaks would then pay out of their pockets for this museum rubbish ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

And they don’t want to put the Shermans there for the Chewbaks? Or a batch of General Grant tanks?
And the silly-silly chubaks would then pay out of their pockets for this museum rubbish ...

Of course, Leo-1s are weak tanks today, but as self-propelled guns they can be considered quite decent. And they will bring headaches to the infantry, and it won’t seem enough for a tank from an ambush if they are hammered into the side with a crowbar.

[poquello]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Of course, Leo-1 are weak tanks today, but as self-propelled guns they can be considered quite decent.

weight - 40 tons, stroke - 600 km, these are wet bourgeois dreams of throwing to the east, those relying on advancement when the enemy does not have time to meet the meeting point, empty dreams - they will be burned by helicopters

[North Caucasus]

Or maybe Molotov cocktails are simpler and cheaper? And don't care the thickness of the armor! Or is it from the realm of fantasy and is impossible because it is impossible?

[poquello]

Quote: North Caucasus

Or maybe Molotov cocktails are simpler and cheaper?

) the question is not at all in the means of destruction, but in the delivery vehicle, any ATGM will take it, but it is necessary that it be in the right place

[Codett]

In our army, the same ancient T-62 is used, so you’re talking about museum trash in vain, this tank is quite dangerous for infantry and light armored vehicles.

[Vladislav VITGEFT]

Dazh vintari Mosin held in high esteem for the mobilized.

[Prisoner]

Scholz is firmly held by the US special forces for primary sex. This is how much he stole from the German budget, that he is ready to roll Nemetchyna into asphalt?

[Gomunkul]

Scholz is firmly held by the US special forces for primary sex.

Scholz is being held through

BERLIN, December 22 - RIA Novosti. Representatives of the ruling Green Party in Germany are stepping up pressure on Chancellor Olaf Scholz and demanding the supply of German-made tanks for Kyiv, Spiegel reported on Thursday, citing politicians.

At the same time, it is no secret to anyone that the "Greens" are:

pro-American party

German journalist Alexander Rahr characterizes her very accurately

The Greens are very ideological, they are not a party of environmentalists, as many people think, but a party of radical human rights activists. I would even say the crusaders of the ideas of liberal values. They carry their ideals in a militant form to other countries and cultures, they are for color revolutions.

I assume that the people behind Scholz are trying to implement a compromise by supplying such tanks to Ukraine.

[Prisoner]

The fact that any "green" CIA project I've been talking about for twenty years. Some are used in the dark, the tip is in the subject.

[Gomunkul]

The fact that any "green" CIA project I've been talking about for twenty years.

I dare to assume that they are not the only ones.

[donavi49]

In the photo for the article Danish leopard 1A5DK. This is still not German, but rather pumped over by systems, which was filmed already in the 00s.

Denmark has two hundred of them.

In general, if you take Leopards 1A3-5 and various modifications, then you can milk them and 500 pieces if desired.

The same Canada has 45 C2s in Alberta since 2021 in stock - this is the best Leopard1 in general, with a Leopard2A5 level control system and protection against Taliban RPG-7s. Actually, they pulled the strap well in Afghanistan.
In December 2021, Canada would turn over its remaining 45 Leopard C2s to an Alberta company.

[Simple]

The Belgian company OIP has 50 more pieces, I don’t specifically write “in storage”,
because the materiel, although it was under the roof, was probably not prepared for long-term storage.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/31/ukraine-europe-tanks-belgian-buyer-oip

[rocket757]

The American edition called the number of Leopard 1 tanks that Germany is ready to supply to Ukraine

Skakuas, there, are waiting, tearfully crying and asking, asking, asking ...

[Dave36]

Then it is necessary to transfer the uniform to the tankers of the Wehrmacht

[Prisoner]

Form is nothing, essence is everything. These creatures, in fact, will get it!

[tihonmarine]

However, Zelensky does not care about the opinion of experts, he needs tanks, moreover, Western-made.

An integral movie turns out - "how could a German deceive Evgei Zelya."

[Prisoner]

Zelensky Thousand. “When God was handing out intelligence and stupidity to people, He was sorry to endow “his people” with stupidity. mind, and blamed all their stupidity on the thousandth.

[VB]

On Tuesday, the German government will announce the issuance of a permit to the Rheinmetall defense concern and Flensburger Fahrzeugbau Gesellschaft mbH to supply Ukraine with 187 Leopard 1 tanks. And here I had a very simple and applied question for the Russian Foreign Ministry.
Are the Rheinmetall concern and the Flensburger Fahrzeugbau Gesellschaft mbH company already included in the sanctions lists of the Russian Federation? Are Russian companies prohibited from supplying them with steel, nickel, tungsten, molybdenum, gas, oil, and making financial transfers to them and to their subsidiaries?
The same applies to dozens of companies that supply weapons to Kyiv. Did the American Boeing, which signed a contract with the Pentagon for the supply of "small-sized high-precision ground-based bombs" (GLSDB), which are supposed to strike on the territory of the Russian Federation to a depth of 150 km, fall under the sanctions of the Russian Federation? Or are the Berezniki Titanium and Magnesium Combine and its shareholders going to continue earning foreign exchange earnings? On the blood of Russian soldiers and peaceful Russian people? How does Vekhovny Commander-in-Chief Putin feel about this? How does everyone think "denyushki"?

[Ruyter-57]

Has American Boeing been sanctioned by the Russian Federation?

If possible, indicate the sanctions that, in your opinion, the Russian Federation could actually apply to the Boeing and which would cause him some kind of tangible damage. Very interesting.

[Amateur]

really apply to the Boeing and which would have caused him some kind of tangible damage.

Stop making titanium landing gear for civil aircraft.

[VB]

Sell ​​titanium and aluminum for aircraft.

[Simple]

And what "shishi", do you think, will Russia live on in the next couple of years, if it now has a deficit budget?

[Mavrikiy]

experts call the transfer of Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine an attempt to shake off obsolete weapons and still make good money at the same time.

Well, who would doubt that? You can’t get money from Ukraine, there is a queue, starting with worthless Estonia and ending with the solid USA ..... They will take black soil, Germany will feed on it for 1000 years.

[abrakadabre]

You can’t get money from Ukraine, there is a queue, starting with worthless Estonia and ending with the solid USA ..... They will take black soil, Germany will feed on it for 1000 years. request

It remains for our Armed Forces to make sure that they are buried in this black soil.

[Amateur]

The first vehicles will enter the Ukrainian army no earlier than mid-summer,

Therefore, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation must do everything to complete the SVO before this date.

[decimalegio]

As far as I know 88 leopard 1a5 in perfect condition. I don't know others. But Leopards 1 is not completed, there is a private deposit in Belgium. between Leopard 1, Sk 105 Kurassier and M113 there should be about 500 vehicles. But he sells them at exorbitant prices. Negotiations are underway to reduce requests. Then there will be a slow deposit in Piedmont. But the number of wagons and their condition are unknown.

[Simple]

As for "at exorbitant prices" - it all depends on what kind of offer they make to him.
Maybe about ten "Leo 1" of those five dozen without significant investment and will be chosen.

[Dedok]

The tank is not only outdated, but also with a 105-mm rifled gun, shells for which have not been produced for 40 years.

you sell it to your wives, however, if you yourself go to the Donbass

[Oleg Gumennov]

I wonder what version of Leo-1 will be supplied? He has a lot of modifications and performances .. the same c1 mexas is quite good in terms of security

[opuonmed]

a nuclear landmine along the echelon that will carry tanks and that's it!

[Vladimir Grudinin]

But what about Tigers and Panthers from museums? And the United States will produce and deliver Shermans. There are no secrets. The Lend-Lease supplied the USSR. The old rubbish is fused. But seriously, they are afraid of discrediting modern models and getting trophies into our hands.

[Aron Finkilstein]

As a military man, I can say that the number of Western-made tanks expected to be transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is, of course, serious, but not for a broad offensive. 300-350 vehicles is for 2-3 weeks of serious battles... Moreover, in terms of their characteristics, these will be completely different tanks. You can call them modern, but with a very big stretch. It should also be taken into account that such a "zoo" of tanks that is supposed to be transferred is a nightmare for supply and repair services, which also does not contribute to their successful combat use ...

[Aron Finkilstein]

This whole story with the transfer of Western tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the hopes fueled by Ukrainian politicians that they will help them achieve strategic success in the war are strongly reminiscent of the summer of 1943. Kursk Bulge - Operation "Citadel" ... By the beginning of the above operation, the tank units of the Wehrmacht and the SS massively received tanks "Tiger" and "Panther", self-propelled guns "Ferdinand" and a number of other vehicles. In terms of their characteristics, they surpassed the Soviet KV and T-34 tanks, very high hopes were placed on them ... Hitler, in his appeal to the soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the SS, said "Now you have tanks that not only are not inferior to Russian tanks, but also surpass them ... "As a result, all the new tanks were able to create serious problems for the Red Army, but they still failed to complete the task assigned to the Wehrmacht and the SS ... For during the Battle of Kursk, the Red Army had superiority in tanks and in many other ways. "God is on the side of the big battalions ..." I believe that even if all the Western tanks promised for delivery get to the front, the situation will be approximately the same as it was in 1943 ... In order to hope for strategic success, not 300-350 tanks should be delivered to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but at least (!) 2000-2500 units, which is practically impossible in a reasonable and necessary time frame ... For example, the same "Abrams" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be produced no more than 12 units per month. It is no coincidence that the Pentagon made it clear that even the delivery of 31 Abrams for the Armed Forces of Ukraine can only be carried out by the end of 2023 ... With the Leopards, of course, everything is somewhat simpler, but delivering them (in the actually required quantity ...) will be very difficult...

[Aron Finkilstein]

In fact, one simple question arises - by the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had enough of their own, quite modern tanks, there were much more of them than the number of Western tanks supposed to be delivered - where did they all go? Where did the hundreds of Soviet-made tanks, previously supplied by NATO countries to the Armed Forces, go?

[Rosemary]

Quote: Aron Finkilstein

Where did the hundreds of Soviet-made tanks, previously supplied by NATO countries to the Armed Forces, go?

Previously, Ukraine supplied tanks, but did not receive them.

In particular, for the period 2007-2013. The Ukrainian state exported abroad 676 tanks, 957 armored vehicles, 288 units of rocket and cannon artillery, as well as 31 helicopters, more than 160 combat aircraft and even one warship. In addition, 747 missiles and launchers were sold.

https://topwar.ru/160635-jeksport-ukrainskogo-oruzhija-rezko-snizilsja.html

[Andrey Dyakov]

Are these the same ones about which the allies are already criticizing that there is little ammunition for them because NATO standards have changed? And what, in fact, are these useless armored boxes?

[Armen Sologyan]

Announce free competition who will burn these tanks more, and for one tank establish a premium in the amount of one apartment in the property without paying real estate taxes for 5 years. It is necessary not only to motivate patriotism, but also economic motivation.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Of course, Leo-1s are weak tanks today, but as self-propelled guns they can be considered quite decent. And they will bring headaches to the infantry, and it won’t seem enough for a tank from an ambush if they are hammered into the side with a crowbar.

1. Self-propelled guns need a lot of shells. Will they be delivered from a parallel reality?
2. From an ambush ... disposable kamikaze tankers, yeah.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Aron Finkilstein

In fact, one simple question arises - by the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had enough of their own, quite modern tanks, there were much more of them than the number of Western tanks supposed to be delivered - where did they all go? Where did the hundreds of Soviet-made tanks, previously supplied by NATO countries to the Armed Forces, go?

Well, Konoshenko doesn't always exaggerate, though. Thanks to our gunners and drone operators... in short, to everyone who continues to demilitarize the Armed Forces of Ukraine, however, not only the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Rosemary

Previously, Ukraine supplied tanks, but did not receive them.

She supplied, but she herself produced a little for export. Pakistan bought, in particular.
After the start of the SVO - received. From Poland, from Slovakia ... supposedly modernized in a Western manner. It's all turned into rubbish.

[PValery53]

You give each Western tank a pair of Krasnopol shells! But it is more prudent to turn them into scrap metal immediately after crossing the Ukropovskaya border.

[someone20222]

Quote: marchcat

shake off obsolete weapons and still make good money

I wonder who will pay them for the tanks? Well, if only the EU folds ...

Nobody will pay them anything. Most likely it was an offer from the United States that cannot be refused.