Russia has significantly increased the production of Krasnopol ammunition, including for the future defeat of NATO tanks in the conflict with Ukraine

The production of precision-guided artillery munitions has grown exponentially in the Russian Federation. We are talking about the corrected projectiles "Krasnopol" caliber 152 mm.

Source RIA News reports that a significant increase in the production of Krasnopolya is due, among other things, to the fact that Ukrainian troops expect to receive Tanks NATO pattern. Recall that the supply of their tanks to Ukraine was approved by Britain, the United States and Germany. Thus, the Challenger, Abrams and Leopard tanks will end up in Ukraine and Donbas.

Shells "Krasnopol" can become one of the most effective means of destroying NATO armored vehicles actually near the borders of Russia, as well as on the territory of new Russian regions.

The maximum firing range of Krasnopol shells is up to 25 km. If we are not talking about upgraded versions. At the same time, the deviation of the projectile from the central point of the selected target does not exceed 2 m. In this case, the defeat of the tank when using the Krasnopol projectile is practically guaranteed.

It is worth recalling that Germany had previously approved the supply of tanks to Ukraine in two batches. The first batch - Leopard 2A6 in the amount of 14 units. The second batch - 2A4 and earlier versions in the amount of 88 units. The numerical combination of parties 14 and 88 caused a reaction even among ordinary Germans, who noted in this the code number of Nazism. Even if these numbers arose by chance, then in this coincidence one can trace the bitterness of the path that Germany again embarked on in relation to Russia, demonstrating its readiness to support the criminal Nazi ideology in the XNUMXst century.

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[dmi.pris1]

In addition to Krasnopol, there is also a smaller caliber - Kitolov, it seems. I hope that there will be enough shells for this menagerie

[krops777]

In addition to Krasnopol, there is also a smaller caliber - Kitolov, it seems. I hope that there will be enough shells for this menagerie

We also have FABs that were used for some reason once in the NWO on the Dnepropetrovsk patch, and as practice showed then very successfully, they thwarted the offensive then, those who survived said that they were in real hell. Why they don’t use combined methods of breaking through air defense with drones, with decoys, again it will reach the military leaders in six months as with energy.

[krot]

Why they don’t use combined methods of breaking through air defense with drones, with decoys, again it will reach the military leaders in six months as with energy.

Yes, and you don’t hear about the untwisted false inflatable applications of various techniques to divert blows .. Where is it all? The generals have forgotten how to use their minds..

[Nastia makarova]

constantly heard, every month ..............................

[stankow]

There is no time to cheat on the offensive. Only in a well-prepared deep defense.

[bayard]

Quote: krops777

. Why they don’t use combined methods of breaking through air defense with drones, with decoys, again it will reach the military leaders in six months

An air defense breakthrough is fraught with aviation losses, even with a carefully planned operation. Yes, and our Army is not advancing now - battles of local importance. Therefore, the option was chosen with the identification of air defense systems and their suppression. The vast majority of all Ukrainian air defense systems have already been destroyed, only air defense systems of object air defense remained in the depths of the territory, and even then a little. That is why there is now a whole zoo of air defense systems from NATO ... which are also being destroyed.
Large-scale offensives will most likely become possible in the spring after the thaw. But if the frosts in February still freeze the ground, then everything can start earlier. It is then that air defense breakthroughs with the suppression of the identified means and the introduction of attack aircraft into the gap will become possible and expedient. It is then that such operations will be justified and effective. And yet, we are unlikely to see deep raids with FAB strikes - we definitely don’t need extra losses in Aviation. For this, there are long-range MLRS and OTRK. We still have to talk with NATO.

[vlad106]

Quote: bayard

. For this, there are long-range MLRS and OTRK. We still have to talk with NATO.

Caliber should be emphasized. To the Iskanders.
To release tens of thousands a month, especially since you will have to talk with NATO ...

[bayard]

Quote: vlad106

Tens of thousands per month

Millions.
They are produced and the rate of production is growing, but this is not a solution to the problem.
Aviation needs to focus more on the use of KAB in the frontline zone and improve in identifying and destroying air defense systems. And the ground grouping to prepare for the offensive and defeat of the enemy.
Aviation alone will not win the war, it can only contribute to the victory of ground forces.

[Argon]

Why not SPBE? Development from the 80s. Electronics is not sanctioned. Is it really expensive?!

[Andy_nsk]

Why not SPBE? Development from the 80s. Electronics is not sanctioned. Is it really expensive?!

As an electronics engineer, talking about high prices seems strange to me, to put it mildly, because I know well what's what.
Why cluster bombs with SPBE are not used is easy to answer: the same reason why ordinary high-explosive bombs are not used much - there is no air supremacy, the risk of losing the aircraft and crew is high. Gliding bombs would largely solve many problems, but their mass production is still somewhere "on the horizon" :((
He kept waiting for the 9M55K1 rocket projectile to be used for the Smerch MLRS, but he didn’t wait, perhaps he didn’t follow the flow of information enough. I can assume that the enemy has learned to disperse equipment, so the use of cluster "Tornados" would not be effective. And it would, of course, be beautiful: the German-Nemchura would send a tank wedge to break through our defenses, cluster munitions are dropped over them, and all of them are kerdyk. However, one should not expect such "gifts" from the enemy, there are no fools!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

there is also a smaller caliber - "Kitolov", it seems

It is necessary to be baptized, my dear, if it seems! Did any of the current servicemen even see this "Kitolov-2 / 2M" in the troops? Ay! Respond!

[Romario_Argo]

still guided mines 120-mm KM-8 Edge - 5 kg. BB
not enough for tanks - but for Bradley just right

[rotmistr60]

The numerical combination of parties 14 and 88 caused a reaction even among ordinary Germans, who noted in this the code number of Nazism.

And there are reasons for this that directly point to the active revival of Nazism and the desire to finally "defeat Russia."

The production of precision-guided artillery munitions has grown exponentially

As V.I. Lenin: "You are on the right path, comrades!"

[ivan1979nkl]

Numerical combination of batches 14 and 88

not surprised, because Nazi sentiments were felt even in the XNUMXs, although they were hidden behind a mask of tolerance. I was sure that this revanchism would manifest itself, but I did not think that it would happen so soon and in such an ugly form.

[Argon]

Thought about it too. Since the USSR could not, then they think they will win Russia.

[stels_07]

It is necessary to make the Krasnopolye variant with GLONASS guidance, because the Orlan-30 is more vulnerable to air defense than different mavices

[Vladimir80]

Yeah, glonas guidance is only good for stationary targets!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: stels_07

It is necessary to make a variant of Krasnopolye with GLONASS guidance

Already done...! And it's called - "Krasnopol-D" ... (inertial-satellite guidance + modernized semi-active laser seeker!) Judging by the reports of military correspondents "from the front" in recent months, it seems that it has recently begun to be used ...

[your vsr 66-67]

Great news!
The rumor is just being circulated that all these leopards and others will be controlled by NATO specialists! So burn these tanks together with the specialists!
Oh, how pleasant and joyful the soul would be from such news!

[Lech from Android.]

It is necessary to automate the process of aiming Krasnopole shells at enemy tanks.

[Andy_nsk]

It is necessary to automate the process of aiming Krasnopole shells at enemy tanks.

Krasnopol, if nothing has changed, has the oldest and simplest seeker for a laser beam. Therefore, the possibilities of automation are very limited, first of all, it is necessary to modernize the lighting system. If the operator sits in a trench next to the laser, then you will not envy him. Illumination of targets in the depths of the enemy’s defenses is generally not very realistic, given the weight of equipment of tens of kilograms, sending DRGs to the rear with such equipment is not a good idea. Placing equipment on the UAV can be a way out in some situations, but you need to understand that with the requirements of high pointing accuracy and the mass of equipment, the UAV will turn out to be quite heavy, bulky, expensive and in itself will be an easy target. It is not clear how much it is possible to reduce the mass of the backlight equipment, automation is, of course, possible, and it is also obviously possible to remove the operator away from the laser.
Replacing the seeker with a matrix optical or matrix IR would solve all these problems, but in my opinion (I already expressed this idea on the forum), it is difficult to achieve, since when fired inside the gun barrel, the projectile experiences overloads of tens of thousands of g. In this sense, homing missiles that do not experience such overloads are preferable.
The installation of a GLONASS-guided GOS into a projectile is quite possible, since it is not much more complex than laser-guided heads, although the projectile body will have to have a radio-transparent window at the antenna installation site. But the main drawback of such systems is that they work only on stationary targets.

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, you spit, my friend! And about the "antiquity" of the laser homing system, and about the automation of the "backlight", and about satellite guidance! Sheer dilettantism! Whose cow would have bellowed ... but yours is better to be silent!

[Andy_nsk]

And about the "antiquity" of the laser homing system

The development of the first such system was started in the USA in 1964, and the first application in Vietnam in 1968.
What is my dilettantism? - to make such statements without argument, at least, is ugly.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from Andy_nsk

And about the "antiquity" of the laser homing system

In a certain sense, you are right! I had to "explain"! And so, I apologize to you!
1. About the "antiquity" of the laser guidance system ... You reported fairly accurate data on the time of development and use of the WTO with a laser guidance system ... the 60s of the last century! What other types of GOS do you know? Do you know infrared seekers? Photo contrast? Radar (passive, semi-active, active)? So ... these types of GOS appeared much earlier than laser ones (!) ... practically, in the 40-50s of the last century! Do you consider these types of GOS "ancient"? Well, by the time of creation, we can say that "not new"! But is their functionality outdated? After all, they are the only ones! There are no others! So why are laser seekers "ancient"; but IR.GSN and RL.GSN, which appeared earlier, are not?
2.Problems of laser "illumination"...: You heard about evolution, sir, I think ... Yes, at first I had to "highlight" targets from the ground ... dragging heavy laser designators closer to the target ... (as an option, placing them on "self-propelled guns" .. .) ! But over time, the target designators "lost weight"! It became possible to place them on UAVs! You expressed your dissatisfaction here too ... they say, you can’t install a laser target designator on every UAV! Wrong! You are simply not "familiar" enough with target designators! For example, in Israel, a laser rangefinder-target designator weighing 100 grams has been developed and is being produced. ! True, of course, it needs "batteries"! Well, how much do you feel sorry for allocating "grams-kilograms" for them? Then take a closer look at the performance characteristics in terms of the carrying capacity of existing UAVs, incl. and lungs ... (By the way, in the future, the appearance of AI-powered UAVs with varying degrees of autonomy is expected; including those capable of independently finding targets and attacking them with laser-guided weapons!)
3. About the complexity (and high cost) of developing guided artillery shells compared to rocket weapons ... And this has long been known! And so it held back the rapid development of guided artillery munitions! But this did not "drown out" interest in high-precision artillery ammunition! The development of such weapons has not stopped and continues! [By the way, at one time, in the USA, an artillery shell with a combined seeker (laser + IR. seeker) "Copperhead-2" was developed ... A 203-mm artillery shell with an active radar seeker was also developed]
4.GPS guidance... An artillery shell with inertial satellite guidance and a modernized laser seeker has already been developed in Russia ... (perhaps it has already been used recently in the NWO, if you pay attention to the latest reports from military correspondents about the use of "modernized Krasnopolya" ...!) By the way , one of the leading designers of Krasnopol announced the start of the development of a projectile with an "autonomous" seeker!

[Lech from Android.]

In any case, the evolution of target designation on the battlefield from separate target designation systems to a single automated system is necessary when it is possible to instantly give the coordinates of the target to our means of destruction in real time ... (artillery, missile launchers, aviation, tanks, self-propelled guns, etc.) depending on the effectiveness of the defeat.
The commander leading the battle, having a complete understanding of the situation in his hands and possessing tools of influence, can lead the battle like an orchestra ... I understand modern combat not as a chaotic firing anywhere, but as a natural and competent sequence of actions of all combat tools in the hands of the commander.

[DenMks]

Why didn't Shoigu do this all these years?

[Pivot]

The target illumination device is now in the size of the decision maker if you know what it is.

[Andy_nsk]

The target illumination device is now in the size of the decision maker if you know what it is

I have other information, possibly outdated. Target designation system weight 60 and 30 kg for systems 1K113, 2K24, "Krasnopol", "Krasnopol-M"
https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/1999-11-05/6_firstshot.html
Could you link to your information?

[Sanichsan]

Quote from Andy_nsk

Could you link to your information?

go to the search engine, write "krasnopol UAV" and select any article to your liking.

[ycuce234-san]

Quote from Andy_nsk

The UAV will turn out to be quite heavy, bulky, expensive, and in itself will be an easy target. It is not clear how much it is possible to reduce the mass of the backlight equipment, automation is, of course, possible, and it is also obviously possible to remove the operator away from the laser.

If you throw out the letter L - flying, then there will remain an ordinary fixed manipulator mechanism, cheap, reliable, simple, like a scissor lift with a tilting turntable. It will be possible to use the old and slightly, under remote control, converted laser - following the example of the Americans with their alteration of the old bomb, coupled with the old pc.

[fiv]

And Krasnopol seems to be high-explosive fragmentation? How is he against a tank? The sights will probably blow away, or will it inadvertently fly into the engine compartment?

[Bodipancher]

152 mm is enough for any tank. When they tested the T95 with a 152 mm OFS gun, the 64ki projectile simply tore off the turret.

[fiv]

Thank you________________________________________________

[Vladimir80]

Quo 2 m is bad, it will not be easy to get in ... And the production of ptura (cornets and others) is increasing ???

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir80

Quo 2 m is bad, it will not be easy to get in ... And the production of ptura (cornets and others) is increasing ???

It’s bad not to be able to count, at least on your fingers. The tank is 3,5 m wide and 6 m long. Try adding up the numbers...

[Vladimir80]

My arithmetic is excellent, so the gunner put the beam on the center of the frontal projection of the tank (1.75 + 1.75m), and the deviation can be 2 m ... Experts, explain!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Vladimir80

My arithmetic is excellent, so the gunner put the beam on the center of the frontal projection of the tank (1.75 + 1.75m), and the deviation can be 2 m ... Experts, explain!

What is horror and a miss for an ATGM, then an insignificant miss for a 152 mm projectile weighing 50 kg and explosives from 7 to 10 kg. In short, 25 cm from the side of the tank is at least a torn off caterpillar. Remind me about the length of the tank?

[Pivot]

What are you talking about, if Krasnopol breaks 25cm from the tank, then the tank cannot be restored.

[Pivot]

If a 152 mm HE explodes even 5m from the tank, the crew is guaranteed 200s and the tank cannot be restored.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Pivot

If a 152 mm HE explodes even 5m from the tank, the crew is guaranteed 200s and the tank cannot be restored.

Well, you bend it and strongly!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Vladimir80

My arithmetic is excellent, so the gunner put the beam on the center of the frontal projection of the tank (1.75 + 1.75m)

UAV guidance. they wrote to you:

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The tank is 3,5 m wide and 6 m long.

what is the frontal projection?

[NetKeys]

An explosion of a 152 mm projectile at least 2 m from the side will immobilize the tank and shake a lot inside it along with liquid organisms.
(Damn, comrades have already written)

[ivan1979nkl]

Krasnopol needs not only reconnaissance, but also support during the strike - guidance, but how about that?

[Bodipancher]

It is guided both from the ground and from the UAV, what else do you need? For stationary targets, according to the idea of ​​Glonass, guidance will not hurt, but there are enough simple projectiles, why waste the expensive Krasnopol.

[Igor Vasilyevich_2]

the range of 25 km in modern realities is simply negligible.

[antiquity]

Quote: Pivot

If a 152 mm HE explodes even 5m from the tank, the crew is guaranteed 200s and the tank cannot be restored.

This is if special ammunition
Well, or if the tank is converted from a trash can

[23424636]

questions 2 - can Krasnopol be effective without lighting. and whether the backlight can be raised and the spotter safe. In this regard, the well-known Kronstadt office emerges, headed by Armen Isahakyan. We all know what Pogasyan did with the KLA and how superjets bought from Boeing with hulls and French engines fly. under sanctions. The Kronstadt group received 29 lyam from the State budget for the construction of the plant. But well-known comrades bought optics in Canada. then the Turks and beyond? Orion 30 declared as a backlight carrier for Krasnopoles. according to military correspondent Vladlen Tatarsky, no one at the front saw it at all. Those. A lot of Krasnopoles is good, but how to highlight them on targets without the risk of losing spotters and how. Konstadt is not just a private Armenian shop. Minister Shoigu visited it at one time and they probably convinced him of the usefulness of their activities. , but according to military correspondents, no one saw Orions at the front. Alas.