American expert: Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny during his visit to Washington called the real numbers of losses of the Ukrainian army

The losses of the Ukrainian army are very high, and the statements of Zelensky and his entourage that they are not there will not correct the situation, the truth will still come out. To date, various numbers of losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being voiced, including in the West. According to the latest data, the number of killed and wounded in the Ukrainian army has already exceeded 200 thousand.

Former adviser to the head of the Pentagon, Douglas McGregor, claims that since the beginning of the Russian special military operation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost a total of 257 thousand people. This is the figure that Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny called during his recent visit to Washington. The Ukrainian general held several meetings with the leadership of the US Department of Defense, and during these conversations, the losses of the Ukrainian army were announced.

While General Zaluzhny was in the US, he met with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and (...) General Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. According to sources, he secretly told them that Ukraine had lost 257 people since the beginning of

the colonel said.

At the end of November last year, the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, speaking about the losses of the Ukrainian army, said that they exceeded "one hundred thousand" military personnel, after which she "received a hat" from curators from Washington. They tried to hide the voiced information, but it had already gone online. These figures in the West were considered underestimated, in fact, the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were much greater at that time. The ban on their publication is caused by the intention to convince the population of Western countries that Ukraine is supposedly winning the conflict with Russia and that democracy will soon finally defeat "Putin's tyranny."

Now Kyiv is frantically trying to correct the situation by mobilizing everyone. The plans of the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to put under arms by the end of February - mid-March at least 200 thousand mobilized.

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[Tor Vic]

grind dill big and a lot

[bairat]

“If you put 100 black and 100 red ants in a jar, nothing will happen.
But if this jar is shaken hard, the ants will start killing each other. Reds will consider blacks as their enemies, and black reds as theirs.
The real enemy is the one who shakes this jar.
So before people attack each other, we need to think about who shook the can?!”.
© Otto von Bismarck - German statesman and politician, the first chancellor of the German Empire.

[ivan1979nkl]

the situation is aggravated when, for example, black ants believe that they are better than red ones and can suppress them, kill them, and live at their expense. You don't even need to shake the jar - throw a cookie there

[Zaurbek]

In this case, all the ants are black and half of the red head is painted red....

[Petr_Koldunov]

The purpose of the war between red and black ants is to eradicate the black and red ants.

[Batko_Makhno]

Perhaps it is true, but not from the lips of another expert with the prefix "ex", who earn on such cheap sensations.

[tralflot1832]

This is if we count by armies, then 2,5 armies are disabled. Bandera takes them to him every day for 100, and sometimes more.

[Carat]

APU lost, in total, 257 thousand people. It was this figure that Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny called during his recent visit to Washington

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Quote: tralflot1832

Bandera takes 100 of them to her every day, and sometimes even more.

257000 divided by (conditionally a year) 365 equals an average of 704 people per day.

[bayard]

Quote: Carat

257000 divided by (conditionally a year) 365 equals an average of 704 people per day.

This level of daily losses roughly corresponds to those estimates that were given back in the spring and summer. So these estimates were accurate.
But.
There is confidence that these are still not complete losses, because these are losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the border troops, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and foreign "volunteers" of which, according to estimates, up to 50 thousand people died, participated in the database.
And these are only irretrievable losses. And there are still wounded, crippled, disabled people who are being treated or unsuitable for returning to duty. And together with such it is already about a million. That is why, despite the constant waves of mobilizations, the numerical strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has not been growing since the summer.

[rotmistr60]

in total, 257 thousand people. It was this figure that was named by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny

If there really was such a conversation in Washington, then probably Zaluzny had reason to give such a figure, which in Ukraine is completely unacceptable for voicing, only in order to further intensify the supply of weapons. But in reality, the figure is most likely underestimated.

[Ru_Na]

By the way, the Turks, referring to Israeli intelligence on 14.01.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX, gave the following loss figures:
Ukraine 157 killed, 000 wounded.
NATO military instructors US and UK, 234 killed.
NATO military of Poland, Lithuania, Germany, etc., 2458 killed.
Russia 18 killed.
Everyone decides to believe them or not, but the fact that Ukraine is suffering huge losses is a fact that even the West cannot hide.

[RaDeVl]

Very close to true numbers. And they are very similar to the numbers that our MO gives.

[Alex_1973]

Gennady , is certainly underestimated. Most likely, this is the figure of the losses of only the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without taking into account the terbats, other power structures that are not related to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other mercenaries. They are definitely not included in the losses.
Back in October, according to their own Western office, which carried out monitoring based on mortuary data, the total losses were estimated at 400. And this is not counting the "missing", and their mother do not cry there. It is not for nothing that black transpontology thrives there in a riotous color.
And why would they row everyone in a row, up to deportation from the EU, if the land has no losses? It's about like the Germans, according to Goebbels, the Wehrmacht defeated everyone and everything, only Germany had to be defended by the Volkssturm and the Hitler Youth.

[Bingo]

Hmm... Well, they've been asking for war for eight years - they got it. Should be happy

[ivan1979nkl]

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny during his visit to Washington called the real numbers of losses of the Ukrainian army

Zaluzny lied the real numbers of losses

[DefenderofTruth]

Ukraine has at least 400 thousand dead already today, including those who died from wounds in hospitals

[AAC]

Is this the total number of losses or only the APU? They record mercenaries in what statistics. I remember that the Ministry of Defense used to publish data on arrival / departure / stay forever. It is interesting now to look at these statistics when the Poles are massively taken away by trucks in coffins. Most likely, the channel was classified and now even the General Staff do not know the exact numbers. And following the logic of exact numbers, no one will ever know. Well, maybe in 50 years, historians will break each other's forelocks, proving who has the data more accurately.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: AAC

Is this the total number of losses or only the APU?

Most likely APU. Zaluzhny go only reports for his department, not taking into account all sorts of volunteers, terbats and mercenaries

[digger]

There is other data from the Turks ... referring to Israeli intelligence. Ukraine: over 157 military personnel killed; 000 wounded.
234 dead - NATO military instructors (US and UK);
2458 dead - NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, etc.);
Russia: 18 military dead.

[Zaurbek]

This is close to reality. There are still many "dead souls" in the form of missing persons. They voiced a quarter ago 35 thousand.

[Reaktor12]

How then to explain the data from Oryx, where Russia has 9000 losses + trophies, and Ukraine has 2600? Are they using fake accounts?

[Viktor Sergeev]

And if we add to this the dead souls for which they receive a salary, then I think 400-500 thousand will be enough for myself. As the greats said: the war is not fought for territory, but for the destruction of the enemy's manpower.

[Roma 1977]

Intuition says that 257 people are not only dead, but total irretrievable losses. That is, half of them are heavily wounded, not fit for combat.

[digger]

Valery Zaluzhny secretly told the Americans about the death of 257 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine since the beginning of the war in Ukraine. This was stated by former Pentagon adviser Colonel Douglas McGregor.

“When General Zaluzhny was in the United States, he met with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and <...> with General Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. According to sources, he secretly told them that Ukraine has lost 257 thousand people since the beginning [of the conflict],” he said.

[Zaurbek]

About three months ago, 100000 dead and 35000 missing were voiced ...... since then there has been Soledar and 404x attacks on Krasny Liman have been unsuccessful. Now everything goes to the boiler in Bakhmut and Seversk. And the year of the SVO has not yet ended ........ 200000 were put in a year.

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

Judging by the fact that the data of the missing persons were not announced, the losses are even greater. Everyone knows that the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the ground underestimate losses, recording the dead as missing.

[Carmela]

According to sources, he secretly told them that Ukraine had lost 257 people since the beginning

The key word is SECRET. And they blabbed to the whole world. So how can you do business with them? Nowhere and in nothing you can trust the Angles, Saxons, and everyone else ...

[Planem]

When it comes to losses in war, one must always clarify what is meant. After all, there are irretrievable and sanitary, temporary losses, and there are demographic ones. There are losses of the Armed Forces, there are losses of other armed formations. Other types of losses can be distinguished, including the general losses of civilians and the entire population. Hence the figure of 257 losses by "Ukraine" can be considered both quite large and quite small. If we are talking about irretrievable losses, and even only the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without taking into account other Air Forces that actually participated in the battles against the Air Force of Russia and Donbass, then this will probably be a bit too much. And if we count the losses not only irretrievable, but also sanitary, and not only of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also of other AFU: the National Guard, the Terodefense, border guards, the Department of Internal Affairs, the National Battalions, then this is too little. I can assume that in February of this year. the irretrievable losses of all AFU, including deserters and those demobilized due to illness and injury, that is, all those who left permanently, amount to about 200 thousand. Probably, at least 10 thousand are the losses of foreign mercenaries and all kinds of advisers and other military units of NATO countries. About 200 more are currently being treated for injury or illness, of which several tens of thousands are unlikely to return to duty. Although, of course, no one really considers the losses of the VFU, even the military leadership of Ukraine. For they do not want, they are afraid. And therefore, it considers a significant number of the dead and dead of its military personnel and other combatants to be "missing" or is in no hurry to include them in the database of losses.

[DefenderofTruth]

And yet, there is still a lot of cannon fat left in Ukraine - when the 200s in the Armed Forces of Ukraine become one million - only then will there be a military turning point in the brains of Ukrainians and in the fields of Ukraine.

[Dormidontych]

Is there a link to the resource where McGregor said this?