Alcibiades. Failed great hero of Athens and Hellas

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Alcibiades. Failed great hero of Athens and Hellas

В previous article we talked about the origin and youth of Alcibiades - a pupil of Pericles and a student of Socrates, whom his contemporaries considered equally great both in virtues and in vices. Today we will continue this story and recall the military and political career of this undoubtedly outstanding person, his exploits, betrayals and tragic death after the end of the Peloponnesian War.

But first, we will have to briefly digress from the story of Alcibiades and talk a little about the Peloponnesian War, one of the main characters of which was the hero of our article.



Peloponnesian War


Speaking of this war, Thucydides wrote:

“Hellas has experienced so many disasters that it has never experienced before in the same period of time ...
So many cities have never been taken and ravaged ... there have never been so many exiles and murders caused both by the war itself and by civil strife.

There have always been contradictions between Athens and Sparta. And during the Greco-Persian wars of 490-479. formed two unions of Greek policies. The first of them - the Delian (Marine) Union, which included the cities of Northern Greece, the islands of the Aegean Sea and the coast of Asia Minor, was headed by Athens. Sparta stood at the head of the Peloponnesian Union - a confederation of policies in southern Greece.


If Cimon was a friend of Sparta and even convinced the Athenians to help the Spartans against the rebellious helots during the Third Messinian War, then his opponents, on the contrary, turned out to be supporters of confrontation.

As we recall from the article Cimon, son of Miltiades, when the Athenian army came to Lacedaemon for the second time, the Spartans suspected the allies of sympathy for the helots and therefore refused to help. In Athens, this was considered an insult, the enemies of Sparta came to power there, and Cimon was expelled from Athens.

Meanwhile, the rebellious helots left their fortifications on the condition that they were allowed to leave - and were settled in Athens and Attica. Pericles, who came to power in Athens, finally took over the treasury of the Delian Union and used these funds to build the Long Walls - from Piraeus to Athens, which greatly worried Sparta and her allies. Using their dominance at sea, the Athenians began a trade war against Corinth, an ally of Sparta, and then against Megara, who dared to support the Corinthians.

It must be remembered that all other cities of the Peloponnese (except Sicyon) had practically no fleet, so that Athens dealt an economic blow to the entire Peloponnesian league. The Spartans demanded the lifting of the blockade of Corinth, the Athenians in response put forward an impossible demand to grant independence to the cities of the Periyek.

In 460 BC. e. the Small Peloponnesian War began, which consisted of periodic skirmishes in disputed territories and lasted until 445 BC. e. Finally, the parties came to a compromise that did not eliminate the contradictions and did not satisfy any of them.

In 433 BC. e. Athens imposed sanctions against Menara, which after the Little Peloponnesian War became an ally of Sparta. It was not possible to resolve this crisis through diplomacy, and in 431 BC. e. The so-called Archidamus War began - the first stage of the Peloponnesian War, it received its name in honor of the Spartan king Archidamus II. The Spartans then had to recruit even helots into their army - up to 2-3 thousand people. Some of them were trained to act as part of the phalanx and became hoplites.

It was a kind of "war of an elephant with a whale": the Spartans organized military campaigns in Attica, Athens fought off the coast of the Peloponnese. During this war, the Spartan garrison of the island of Sphacteria, besieged by the Athenians and suffering from hunger, capitulated, among others 120 Spartans were captured. It was an unheard of event, in the possibility of which neither enemies nor friends could believe. Individual warriors of Sparta have sometimes been captured before, but a whole detachment of Spartans has never surrendered to the enemy before. This capitulation made a huge impression on everyone in Greece and undermined the authority of Sparta.

In the last battle of Amphipolis (422 BC), the most consistent supporters of the war died - the Athenian Cleon and the Spartan Brasidas. Having lost the leaders of the war party, the warring parties entered into negotiations, and in 421 BC. e. concluded the so-called Treaty of Nikia (named after the Athenian politician, who became the actual successor of Pericles, who died in 429 BC). Archidamov's war only led to the mutual exhaustion of the forces and resources of both sides and ended in a draw.

The Ionian War was decisive. It began after the unsuccessful attack of Athens on Syracuse, which took place in 415 BC. e., and the Sicilian army, which defeated the Athenian expeditionary force and fleet, was led by the Spartan commander Gylippus. Two years later, in 413 BC. e. The Spartans occupied the Attic region of Dhekeleia. With the financial assistance of Persia, they built their ships, and in 405 BC. e. the great Spartan commander Lysander defeated the Athenian fleet, capturing, according to various sources, either 168 or 171 triremes out of 180.


Sculpture of the head of Lysander

A year later, the Peloponnesian War ended with the defeat of Athens.

Now back to the story of Alcibiades.

The beginning of the political activity of Alcibiades


Already after the conclusion of the Nikiev peace treaty, in 420 BC. e., Alcibiades was first elected strategist and immediately began to fight with Nicias, wanting to unleash a new war with the Peloponnesian Union. On his initiative, an alliance was concluded with Argos, the old and worst enemy of Sparta, to which Elis and Mantinea joined. This led to a new aggravation of the situation, and in 418 the combined troops of Argos, Mantinea, Elis, supported by a detachment of Athenian hoplites, entered into battle with the army of the Spartan king Agis. The left flank of the Spartans was overturned by the Mantinean detachment. However, on the right flank and in the center, where Agis himself was located, the Spartans won, and the Athenian troops avoided encirclement and complete defeat only because Agis changed the direction of the blow: “ordered the entire army to go to the aid of the defeated units” (Thucydides).

Alcibiades did not accept defeat, and in 415 BC. e. he managed to persuade the citizens of Athens to organize a campaign against Syracuse. The Treaty of Nikia did not say anything about this Sicilian policy, and therefore this expedition could not be considered a violation of its obligations. Alcibiades believed that the conquest of Sicily would increase the strength of Athens and give them an edge in a new war against Sparta and her allies. Plutarch claims that:

"Alcibiades dreamed of Carthage and Africa, followed by Italy and the Peloponnese, and regarded Sicily only as an attack or a path to war."

Nicias categorically objected to this campaign, but the National Assembly did not listen to his opinion. Moreover, both Nicias and Alcibiades were appointed generals of the expeditionary army. But in Athens, all the statues of Hermes were defiled, and Alcibiades was accused of this sacrilege. He probably became a victim of his reputation, since the grounds for suspicion were the unfounded testimony of some slaves who saw drunk Alcibiades and his friends near one of the defiled statues. No one later doubted the falsehood of the accusation, since one of these slaves swore that he had seen the face of Alcibiades "by the light of the moon", while the holiday took place on a new moon. However, the trial of Alcibiades was organized, and in his absence - when the Athenian ships sailed to the shores of Sicily.

The young strategist had already achieved his first successes when he unexpectedly received an order to remove him from command and return to Athens. Claudius Elian directly states:

"The Athenians recalled Alcibiades from Sicily to be tried and sentenced to death."

And Alcibiades knew perfectly well how such challenges usually end in "democratic" Athens. Therefore, he preferred to flee to Sparta, against which he had just recently planned to fight.

Plutarch reports that when asked, "Don't you believe in your homeland, Alcibiades," he replied:

“Why, I believe in everything, except only when it comes to my life: here I won’t even believe my own mother - after all, she can mistakenly put a black stone instead of a white one.”

The flight of Alcibiades to his short-sighted enemies in Athens only rejoiced: he was sentenced to death in absentia, his property was confiscated, and the leadership of the troops passed to Nikias, who, considered at that time the best commander of Athens, could not replace Alcibiades in this post, destroying the army, and fleet.

Upon learning of the death sentence pronounced on him by the Athenian court, Alcibiades declared that he would prove to everyone that he was still alive - and did it with his usual brilliance. He persuaded the authorities of Sparta to help the Sicilians. The Spartan Gylippus, who was sent to Syracuse with only four ships, led the army of that city. Under his leadership, the Sicilians defeated the Athenian fleet of 200 ships and the invading army, numbering up to 40 thousand people.

After that, Alcibiades advised the Spartans not to organize trips to Attica, but to occupy that very Dekeleia, located north of Athens, using it as a permanent foothold. As a result, about 20 thousand Athenian slaves went over to the side of the Spartans. Taking advantage of the situation, some policies withdrew from the Delian Union that had long weighed on them. Finally, it was Alcibiades who suggested that the Spartans build their own fleet, and turn to the Persians for money for its construction. And he also became the first commander of the Spartan fleet.

However, Alcibiades "distinguished himself" in Sparta: while King Agis II fought in Attica, he seduced his wife Timaeus, who as a result gave birth to a boy named Leotichid from him. Alcibiades later claimed that he did not love her, but simply wanted his son and an Athenian to become the king of Sparta. But Timaea, it seems, on the contrary, seriously fell in love with him and even in the family circle called her son Alcibiades (this boy never became king). When this connection ceased to be a secret for everyone, Alcibiades preferred to avoid meeting with a deceived husband and moved to Persian-controlled Asia Minor.

Following him, Spartan ambassadors came there, hoping to receive money from the Persians for the construction of new warships. Alcibiades advised Tissaphernes, who ruled Asia Minor, to refuse the Spartans, since the mutual exhaustion of both sides in endless wars is beneficial for Persia.

The Athenians were defeated and therefore in 411 BC. e. turned to Alcibiades with a request to become commander of the fleet. He fought against the Spartans for 4 years, won a number of victories on land and at sea. The scales, already leaning towards Sparta, began to oscillate again and came into balance. In 407 BC. e. Alcibiades triumphantly returned to Athens. Plutarch reports:

“Everyone ran to him, shouted his name, greeted him, followed him, crowned him with wreaths if they managed to squeeze closer, those who did not succeed tried to see him from afar; older people showed it to younger people.”

Alcibiades received the post of strategist-autocrator, that is, commander-in-chief of all armed forces. Many expected that Alcibiades, who was at the peak of his popularity, would declare himself the tyrant of Athens, but he did not dare to take this last step to power over his native city.

And just at that time, a new hero appeared in Lacedaemon - Lysander, one of the best generals in the whole history Sparta.


In February 406 BC. e. he inflicted a heavy defeat on the Athenian fleet at the battle of Cape Notius. Unfortunately for the Athenians, Alcibiades was absent at that moment, and Antiochus, who served as deputy helmsman of his ship, according to Diodorus Siculus, was

"A frivolous person by nature and burned with impatience to accomplish some brilliant feat on his own."

Antiochus voluntarily entered the battle, and inadvertently brought the flagship too close to the coast, where she was attacked and sunk by three Spartan triremes. Antiochus died, the uncontrolled Athenian fleet began to retreat, Lysander pursued him, sinking 22 ships.

Alcibiades, who was removed from command, was found guilty of the defeat. Insulted, Alcibiades went into voluntary exile, settling in a small fortress in the area of ​​the Black Sea Straits. But he once again tried to help his city. Seeing in 405 BC. e. the Athenian fleet on the European coast of the Hellespont, he appeared to warn of the danger of the chosen position, but they did not even listen to him. And Lysander finally defeated the Athenian fleet at the battle of Aegospotami, capturing almost all the ships. The Athenian strategist Konon fled to Persia. It was no longer possible to stop Lysander, in 404 BC. e. he entered Athens and ordered the destruction of the Long Walls.

Thus ended the 27-year-old Peloponnesian War.

Alcibiades, in the company of hetaera Timandra, moved to the possession of the Persian governor of Asia Minor, Pharnabazus, where he settled in the Bithynian village of Griny. However, enemies in both Athens and Sparta still feared the return of Alcibiades. Moreover, dissatisfaction with the rule of the “30 tyrants” led by Critias was growing in Athens (about one and a half thousand people were executed in Athens in a year). Pharnabazus, not without some internal resistance, nevertheless went to meet the general wishes of the rulers of Athens and Sparta and ordered the murder of Alcibiades - in the same 404 BC. e.

According to Plutarch, the killers set fire to the house of Alcibiades, but he, wrapping his left hand in a cloak, and clutching a sword in his right, managed to get out. His reputation was such that the Persians did not dare to engage in hand-to-hand combat with him. Retreating, they threw spears at the Athenian exile.


Philip Chery. Death of Alcibiades

Thus, Alcibiades was treacherously killed, who, under different conditions and circumstances, could have become one of the greatest heroes of Athens and Hellas.

The burial of Alcibiades was carried out by Timandra, who tried to bury him with honor - "as far as the funds got."
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  1. +4
    12 February 2023 05: 19
    Thanks Valery! If it's not a secret, could you share your plans for the ancient cycle? hi
    1. VLR
      +11
      12 February 2023 06: 05
      Let's go back a little - today I will post an article about Aristide. I think it makes sense to talk about Lysander. And two very interesting, it seems to me, articles about Troy and the Trojan War.
      1. +4
        12 February 2023 06: 38
        Sincere thanks!
        Regards, Vlad!
        1. +7
          12 February 2023 14: 26
          "Long Walls"

          In Ancient Athens, the grandiose Long Walls (26 kilometers) connected the city and the seaport in Piraeus on the advice of Themistocles in 461-456. BC e., during the reign of Pericles, after the invasion of the Persians under the leadership of Xerxes. The third wall connected Athens with the demo of Faler. Inside the fortified area, the entire population of Attica could hide. During the Peloponnesian War (431-404 BC), long walls prevented the Spartans from cutting off Athens from sea supplies, turning the city into an impregnable fortress.
          The long walls in Athens were first destroyed after the defeat of the Athenians in the war. The oligarchic regime of the “tyranny of the thirty” established by the Spartans in Athens in 403 BC. e. was overthrown by the Democrats led by Thrasybulus. Athens skillfully used the contradictions that arose between Sparta and Persia, and through the efforts of the strategist Konon, Athens again got the opportunity to create their own fleet. The destroyed Long Walls between Athens and Piraeus were rebuilt in 393 BC. e.
          Finally, the Long Walls in Athens were destroyed in 86 BC. e. Roman general Lucius Cornelius Sulla.
          1. +5
            12 February 2023 14: 31
            The Athenian "long walls" were built under the impression of the Corinthian fortifications. Corinth was connected by long walls with Lechey
            pic.1 Long walls between Corinth and Lechaeus
            1. +5
              12 February 2023 14: 34
              Good article. It's very nice to read. And as usual there is not much to add.
              Thank you, Valery.
          2. +3
            12 February 2023 15: 21
            Long walls prevented the Spartans from cutting off Athens from sea supplies, turning the city into an impregnable fortress.
            Everything is relative. Most likely, it was through the port that the epidemic entered the city, which to a large extent contributed to the defeat of the Athenians.
            My compliments, Dmitry!
            1. +6
              12 February 2023 18: 26
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Most likely, it was through the port that the epidemic entered the city, which to a large extent contributed to the defeat of the Athenians.

              Well, after that, the war went on for another quarter of a century, a whole generation changed hi
      2. +3
        12 February 2023 14: 05
        I'm already waiting. There will be something to read and hang out in good company
      3. +6
        12 February 2023 14: 58
        I'm looking forward to Troy!
        In general, I like the whole ancient cycle, as well as the Roman one.
      4. +3
        12 February 2023 18: 19
        And about the "Trojan" horse will be? Shutka. As I hear: Troy, I remember - "Trojan horse"
  2. +5
    12 February 2023 05: 40
    And Alcibiades knew perfectly well how such challenges usually end in "democratic" Athens. Therefore, he preferred to flee to Sparta, against which he had just recently planned to fight.
    Hmm ... "37-year" some kind, but in "ancient Greek" ..., and most importantly, quite "democratic".
    1. +9
      12 February 2023 06: 23
      Hmm ... "37-year" some kind, but in "ancient Greek" ..., and most importantly, quite "democratic".

      Starting with the reforms of Solon (by the way, he was also expelled from his native city by his compatriots), there was an eternal “37 year” in Athens. It is because of this sweet tradition that most of the heroes of Attica ended up in a foreign land.
      1. +8
        12 February 2023 09: 47
        Slightly later times - Thrasyllus
        In 406 BC. e. was one of the Athenian strategists during the battle of the Arginus Islands. Arriving in Athens, along with six other strategists, he was accused of failing to provide assistance to the dying Athenian ships and not burying the fallen, sentenced to death and executed.
        And is it worth it to win?
      2. +5
        12 February 2023 15: 05
        To paraphrase: Don't make yourself a tyrant. Quite efficient.
        The brutality of Athenian democracy was well balanced by the ease with which Athenian heroes changed sides.
  3. +2
    12 February 2023 06: 40
    In 433 BC. e. Athens imposed sanctions against Menara, which after the Little Peloponnesian War became an ally of Sparta.
    Since then, nothing has changed...
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 09: 01
      Quote: parusnik
      In 433 BC. e. Athens imposed sanctions against Menara, which after the Little Peloponnesian War became an ally of Sparta.
      Since then, nothing has changed...

      Athens and Sparta, during the Peloponnesian Wars, sawed each other in a race on which they themselves were strong. Both of them were marked by separate agreements at the expense of younger allies, by theft, oppression, deceit and betrayal. Tritely, Athens was the first to play the hegemon of all Hellas, having plundered the allied money-box. Sparta did not stand on the laurels of the winner for long either. At first, the Thebans curtailed her appetite, and then the barbarians came in the person of the Macedonians.
      However, the defeat of Athens in the Pelopennos wars sobered the latter. They were no longer looking for power, but leaving behind the glory of the cultural capital, they were earning money. Surprisingly, Christianity delivered a cross on Athens, overthrowing the values ​​​​of Attica. The final blow was dealt by the pagan Slovene tribes during the years of the collapse of the Roman Empire. However, having reformatted Hellas, they became the core of the new Greece, reformatted in turn. Contemporaries of Catherine the Great and Paul noted that the inhabitants of the Ionian Islands and the Southern Balkans proudly called themselves Romeans.
      1. +2
        12 February 2023 09: 35
        However, the defeat of Athens in the Pelopennosian wars sobered the latter.
        They sobered up, looked around, looked at how much they lost during the "drunken frenzy" and started a new life .. But they couldn't get up from their knees .. That's what it brings, "alcohol" laughing
        1. +5
          12 February 2023 17: 50
          That's what it brings, "alcohol"

          Alexei Anatolyevich, did Thebes rise after this war? what I suppose - if two geopolitical rivals drank each other's blood, then Thebes could accumulate strength during this time? request
          Sorry, my modest knowledge is limited to this period. hi But I remember that the Theban army was then still afraid - especially the famous "Holy Detachment". Even King Philip was wary of him. drinks
    2. +2
      12 February 2023 16: 50
      "nothing has changed" why they change: there have always been: "correct" and "incorrect", so they are punished with sanctions. Fortunately, you can find "loopholes to get around and show" consciousness. There are loopholes, but I do not use
    3. +3
      12 February 2023 18: 22
      And do not say. They didn’t come up with anything new: a thousand years ago it was and is now
  4. +5
    12 February 2023 06: 59

    And they said that in Sparta there are no adultery lol
    And we are also fighting for the title of a city of high culture and life.
    1. +1
      12 February 2023 07: 43
      And they said that in Sparta there are no adultery
      In Sparta - does not happen! But the Cossack was mishandled, so he seduced the simpleton Timea with "elements of the sweet life", Athenian jeans and chewing gum ...)))
      "Spartan, do you want big and pure love? Come to the hayloft in the evening."
      1. +3
        12 February 2023 08: 54
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        In Sparta - does not happen!

        Spartan will not want, the Athenian will not jump)))
      2. +1
        12 February 2023 16: 54
        "simple Timaeus" means the husband was bad. "they don't look for good from good"
        1. +1
          12 February 2023 17: 05
          "simple Timaeus" means the husband was bad. "they don't look for good from good"
          Women are addicted to the exotic...
    2. +2
      12 February 2023 09: 15
      Quote: Tlauicol
      And they said that in Sparta there are no adultery lol
      And we are also fighting for the title of a city of high culture and life.

      The institution of marriage of the ancient Greeks, in itself, is a complicated thing and far from modern values. Depending on the policy, customs varied like day and night.
      For example, if your betrothed part-time “works” in the temple of Pan, then on the birthday of the moon she will perform not marital duties, but priestly ones. I forgot the truth how much it was necessary to serve the left partners. About petty pranks defile naked with snakes or mysteries in public places, you can not remember.
      1. +3
        12 February 2023 09: 40
        So the nests of debauchery such as Athens, Corinth, Delphi and Asia Minor cities. And here is Sparta, where for treason you will have to sacrifice "a bull that drinks the water of Eurotas, standing on Mount Taygetus."
        1. +3
          12 February 2023 12: 26
          Quote: Tlauicol
          So the nests of debauchery such as Athens, Corinth, Delphi and Asia Minor cities. And here is Sparta, where for treason you will have to sacrifice "a bull that drinks the water of Eurotas, standing on Mount Taygetus."

          Everything is relative.
          Athens, in this regard, was quite close to modern standards. Marriage could only be between a woman and a man. In general, monogamy, other women in a man could be either concubines or spats. The third status, something like “housekeeper”, excluded the presence of a spouse. True, there were also leggings, but here something is a weighted average between professional love and feelings for the high.
          The institution of muzhelozhsivoa was also present, but was not included in the status of insinuation, as in Thebes and Sparta. In the latter, to get married (if I'm not mistaken) you have to kill a helot, sleep with a peasant and reach the age limit.
          However, in Athens, the "blue" was not shy. Many were proud of shields with a "peiuha" pattern - a gift from a lover.
          1. VLR
            +3
            12 February 2023 12: 42
            In Ionia, it was believed that pederasty dishonored the boy and deprived him of his masculinity. In Boeotia, on the contrary, the "relationship" of a young man with an adult man was considered almost normal. In Elis, teenagers entered into such a relationship for gifts and money. On the island of Crete, there was a custom of "abduction" by an adult male of a teenager. In Athens, where promiscuity was perhaps the highest in Hellas, pederasty was allowed, but only between adult men. At the same time, homosexual relationships were almost everywhere considered dishonoring a passive partner.
            1. +4
              12 February 2023 16: 01
              At the same time, homosexual relationships were almost everywhere considered dishonoring a passive partner.

              With the exception of Thebes and Sparta, where the creatures are military units with a similar culture.
              In Sparta, this was the norm until the age of 21 and was of a ritual nature.
              In Thebes, among the hoplites of the sacred detachment, the rotation from passive to active took place as the “grandfathers” were knocked out in turn. Similar elite military units were in other policies, in the same Syracuse, but this was no longer considered the norm.
              1. VLR
                +3
                12 February 2023 16: 20
                No, about Sparta - this is "black PR", there are real homosexual relationships
                between a mentor and a "pupil" (for example, the commander Lysander and the future king - the lame Agesilaus) were not welcome. But Thebes - yes, the "kingdom of tolerance" in the modern Western sense of the word.
              2. +2
                12 February 2023 17: 07
                Didn't know that. In general, the ancient period, for me, is little known. Very little is said in the textbooks, and few have read Tacitus or Plutarch.
                In my youth I read: "The Life of the Twelve Caesars", but in the first place - already ancient Rome, and in the second I almost forgot. Only remembered: Julius, Augustus and "boot" Caligula
      2. +2
        12 February 2023 14: 40
        For example, if your betrothed part-time “works” in the temple of Pan, then on the birthday of the moon she will perform not marital duties, but priestly ones.

        "Either Pan or Lost" winked
      3. +1
        12 February 2023 16: 24
        "naked difile" - were the first beauty contests.
        Old mymry and monkeys were not "quoted" there.
        But in the "Middle Ages" ladies almost did not wash. Valery had a "medieval" cycle and read it there. Late "Victorian" hypocrisy, nor do I believe that everyone was "pious and chaste.
        1. +5
          12 February 2023 16: 44
          But in the "Middle Ages" ladies almost did not wash.
          Wash, Katya, wash.
        2. +7
          12 February 2023 16: 49
          Katya-Katyusha
          "Middle Ages" ladies hardly bathed.
          Washed, and how!

          Public baths. Fresco. 1470

          Hans Bock Public baths.

          F. Clouet Lady in the bathroom

          A. Durer Men's bath

          A. Durer Women's Bath.
          1. +6
            12 February 2023 17: 02
            Thanks, Alexey! To be honest, it was "scrap" once again to dispel another myth ...
            1. +6
              12 February 2023 18: 09
              Anton, you remember, when not "civilized" Arabs conquered Spain, finally arranged wildness .. Free baths, libraries, by the way, are also free and, in addition, public. And how did they wash in the Byzantine Empire? Only in flight. smile
              1. +5
                12 February 2023 18: 21
                Quote: parusnik
                And how did they wash in the Byzantine Empire?

                Actually the Russian word "banya" is of Greek origin. hi
                1. +5
                  12 February 2023 19: 30
                  Actually the Russian word "banya" is of Greek origin.

                  translates as "a place on the site of the Sea Cat". Has our voluptuary been unbanned yet? It's a pity. recourse With Uncle Kostya on the forum, whatever you say, it's more fun. Band Man! good I hope the esteemed administration will take pity! wink drinks
          2. +6
            12 February 2023 17: 55
            Washed, and how!

            What, however, are the bashful citizens in the first photo. They cover their loins with their palms, unlike other organs. laughing Thanks for the photo, I'll join Antoine the balalaika. Yes
            For some reason, I have recently begun to be interested in the work of the Pre-Raphaelites ... There is something in this! drinks
            1. +6
              12 February 2023 18: 13
              recently began to be interested in the work of the Pre-Raphaelites
              "In my house, I ask you not to express yourself" (c) smile But seriously: the Pre-Raphaelites are the romantics of Victorian England. drinks good
              1. +6
                12 February 2023 19: 10
                But seriously: the Pre-Raphaelites are the romantics of Victorian England.

                And not only! In the US, they also had followers. The other day I discovered for myself some American artist...
                Apparently, this was the case. By the middle of the 19th century, classical European painting had reached the point that it conveyed what was happening even more accurately than photographs of the time.
                So, there was some protest - they say, classical painting (with its canons) was born by Raphael, so let's remember what was before him.
                That protest against the canons of the "classics" that in France resulted in impressionism, in England - became a phenomenon of pre-Raphaelism. drinks
                And how do you like our Tatlin? In general, no completed art education. But - he became a professor in the USSR! Dreamer, rebel! As for me - it's wonderful! Creativity may be doubtful, but it directly breathes the spirit of everything new! drinks
                1. +5
                  12 February 2023 19: 29
                  Incredible man, undeservedly forgotten.
                  1. +4
                    12 February 2023 19: 41
                    Incredible man, undeservedly forgotten.

                    Hello Vladimir!
                    I agree with you. In addition to the Tatlin Tower, there was also his dreamy aircraft - the Letatlin ornithopter.


                    Yes, he could dream. And it is the dreamers who shape thoughts about progress... what

                    May I have a conversation? hi
                    1. +4
                      12 February 2023 20: 17
                      Nicholas, you are absolutely right. At the end of the 19th century, the visual arts faced a crisis of ideas. The realism of the works was close to perfection, there is little that can be pulled out in development (to this day super realism has held out), the words of which portrait "as in life" no longer warmed anyone. Photography is truer, just life itself. Those rationality did not work in the works, it remains to turn to feelings. Impressionism came first. Then the reality of the image lost its meaning - cubism. Attempts to break through critical thinking based on real images didn't work. They began to work on influencing directly the subconscious. Malevich and Kandinsky laid the foundation for this direction. And then all these directions began to be divided into subspecies, whimsically mixed up, acquiring pronounced features according to national characteristics.
                      By the way, photography conceptually developed according to the same logic, but very quickly. From the delight of the most accurate fixation of reality to semi-abstract modernism.
                      1. +1
                        13 February 2023 19: 59
                        By the way, photography conceptually developed according to the same logic, but very quickly.

                        One of the iconic popularizers of photography was Nadar. He was so fascinated by her that he even filmed Paris with a camera of that time - from a balloon! fellow
                2. +3
                  12 February 2023 20: 34
                  Regarding Vladimir Tatlin, I would like to add a few words.
                  Firstly, an incredible breadth of talent - an artist, sculptor, stage designer, architect, director, etc. Only critical times give birth to such people.
                  Second, he died in 1953. I was surprised when I first found out. It seemed like such people are leaving on takeoff. But he blew up the art world, and then stepped aside. We remember him for his work in the 20s and 30s, and he worked for another 20 years, not badly, but without a divine spark. True, who are we to judge others who lived in those difficult times.
                  So that there is no doubt - in my opinion he is an absolute genius, the god of the avant-garde.
                  1. +1
                    13 February 2023 20: 14
                    True, who are we to judge others who lived in those difficult times.

                    Yes, we did not live then, for sure.
                    So, I continue the conversation, as bequeathed by St. Carlson. I came across the book "On the other side of Tula", modern, 1931, the author is a certain Andrey Nikolev. I broke down on the first two pages. My average mind was obviously not prepared for the fact that the graphomaniac author exercises with himself in elegant expressions every line! Although Kuzmin gave this work a high rating. And who is, excuse me, Kuzmin? I do not presume to assign labels, but Kuzmin's contribution was not so much to poetry, but to the depravity of first the tsarist bohemia, then some Soviet writers. wassat His "Trout Breaks the Ice" is a strange work. Although the pervert, nevertheless, was excellent ... And this same Nikolev (real name Yegunov) is a rather obscure person who managed to work with the Nazis. negative
                    I do not undertake to speak for Kharms with his associates OBERIU. Their only performance failed. I do not presume to speak about Mandelstam, who himself has become a persistent, spiteful Pinocchio. Did you speak yourself? Myself!
                    Very little familiar with the work of Khlebnikov. Tried to read "Zangezi"... Yes, my mind is too average for that. wassat
                    And even now we have a whole galaxy of incomprehensible "artists" who either create from the contents of the rectum, or nail personal belongings to the paving stones. Moreover, these for themselves are the most infallible! stop

                    And here is my question, Vladimir. How, after all, to decide where genius and creative breakthrough ends, and where idiocy begins? hi Or am I misunderstanding "creative people"? recourse
                    Yes, Tatlin is a genius. Is it true. It had a SPIRIT. drinks
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              +3
              12 February 2023 19: 18
              hi Greetings, Nikolai.
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              For some reason, I have recently begun to be interested in the work of the Pre-Raphaelites ... There is something in this!

              In some ways, this direction has something in common with socialist realism. what smile drinks
              1. +3
                12 February 2023 19: 27
                In some ways, this direction has something in common with socialist realism.

                Hello Borisych! I won’t say for socialist realism, but the fact that a new direction with an element of rebellion is yes. drinks
  5. +7
    12 February 2023 08: 39
    "...seduced his wife Timaeus..."
    And how many royal wives did Zeus seduce? So they were proud of it.
    Well, the height of indecency is the case in Crete. This is when the bull is the queen...
    1. +7
      12 February 2023 09: 15
      Quote: podval57
      And how many royal wives did Zeus seduce? So they were proud of it.
      Well, the height of indecency is the case in Crete. This is when the bull is the queen...

      Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi feel
    2. +4
      12 February 2023 17: 59
      And how many royal wives did Zeus seduce

      Santa Barbara was invented by the ancient Greeks in their epic. Everyone flogged with everyone, without distinction of sex, age and status. laughing
      And you (unfortunately, I don’t know your name!) Type in the search - "Nart epic". This is a common epic of the peoples of the North Caucasus. Or even easier - type in the search for the main character - "Sosruko", or the main beauty - "Dzerassa". Learn a lot about the sexual life of the Narts, for such even the Greeks did not attempt. belay laughing
      A Kabardian friend told me, he had not heard before. drinks
  6. -3
    12 February 2023 09: 11
    Once again I was convinced that people are an ungrateful herd of cattle. This has been the case in the past, but little has changed today. Great stuff, Valery!
    1. +3
      12 February 2023 14: 43
      Quote: kalibr
      Once again I was convinced that people are an ungrateful herd of cattle.
      The Athenians deliberately expelled successful rulers (since the time of Pericles, it seems) so that they would not usurp power.
      1. +4
        12 February 2023 16: 10
        The first who was ostracized (exiled) was Solon. First voluntarily, then forced.
        However, the Demagogues, as the hero of the article and Tirana, easily went to the service of the Persians, the Ionian Greeks or the Spartans. Almost all Persian wars were started by either Athenian or Spartan exiles.
        1. +2
          12 February 2023 16: 18
          Almost all Persian wars were started by either Athenian or Spartan exiles.
          And only Thucydides tried to be objective, even "did not run over" Pericles in his writings.
        2. +3
          12 February 2023 16: 27
          The first who was ostracized (exiled) - Solon
          In general, not a state, but a continuous "Walking through the torments."
          "The grateful fatherland rewarded us with a bayonet in the belly." (WITH)
  7. +5
    12 February 2023 09: 11
    Good morning. I am without interesting work, a little wild. So, Alquiades, for me, serves as a catharsis.
    The world is not arranged fairly: on a day off and good material. There is a reason for friendly communication, but I have to run. My friend, you know who she is, in the hospital
    1. +7
      12 February 2023 13: 56
      My friend, you know who she is, in the hospital
      Health, to her .. Let him recover faster .. hi
      1. +3
        12 February 2023 16: 40
        She will read it herself and I will pass it on.
        You have a lot in common with her, but there are also differences: for her, Lenin is an idol, and you, Vlad 2 (1 - "Ural": comments before everyone else), there are others, your idol is Stalin. My stepfather also raves about them, and votes as the elders decide. They won't "understand" you there: there V.P. is now "highly quoted".
  8. +5
    12 February 2023 12: 10
    Causes sympathy for the hetaera Timandra, who did not leave the dead patron, but organized a worthy funeral for him - "How much money is available"
    She may have spent all her savings. And nothing is known about her future fate.
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 14: 29
      Quote: vet
      Hetaera Timandra evokes sympathy, who did not leave the dead patron, but organized a worthy funeral for him - “as far as the funds got”

      Ride your black mare
      into the house of the getters under our city wall.
      Give them the price you loved
      to pay for the same price.
      1. +3
        13 February 2023 08: 50
        Give them the price you loved

        Well, what are you, what is the price? There are clearly sincere feelings of this woman for Alcibiades (who, perhaps, did not love her). The house burned down, what did she have left? Some rings on the fingers, maybe a necklace. She saw that Alcibiades was killed - she could run away, she would say: she was afraid that they would rob, rape, kill ... And, indeed, they could. But she stayed and tried to give a decent burial, perhaps. sold everything she had left.
    2. +4
      12 February 2023 15: 18
      Author: I will also post two very interesting, as it seems to me, articles about Troy and the Trojan War.

      vet (Alexey): Causes sympathy for hetaera Timander

      EMNIP, the namesake of this hetaera - the mythological beauty queen Timandra was the sister of Helen of Troy
  9. +6
    12 February 2023 13: 01
    Thanks a lot to the author. I love the history of Greece and Rome!
  10. +6
    12 February 2023 14: 03
    Damn, I almost broke my phone! It's slippery in front of the house, dripping from the roofs.
    The company counts money, but work?
    The Athenians are like little children: NOW Alkivids is a darling, and in an hour he is a bully. If they were more permanent, perhaps Sparta would not have been defeated, but they would have been beaten off coolly
  11. +8
    12 February 2023 14: 18
    The vivid life and death of a real ancient hero or simply an outstanding personality, with morality, although somewhat dubious, and motivation that is completely characteristic of that era and real life in general. Probably, there are no uniquely (in the philistine sense) popular popular and bad people. Nevertheless, this historical character, an adventurer, does not dare to call him, had an excitingly interesting life path. That's when life is more interesting, and the ending is more tragic than any invented story.
  12. +4
    12 February 2023 15: 46
    For me, Alcibiades is just a major, who has lost his banks, without any brakes and a roof. An unprincipled and irresponsible demagogue, for whom only and exclusively his own wishes mattered. By and large, the only thing he really knew how to do well was to splurge. This is not counting the ability to arrange an unbridled orgy with ugly antics.
    The only thing that could be put into his asset is the fighting in Propontis against Sparta in 411-407. BC. However, what is the true degree of his merits in this matter, we are unlikely to ever know. He was not even formally the commander of the Athenian fleet, he was commanded by Thrasylus, who indeed, apparently, was a talented military leader, since he had more than one naval victory on his account. Alcibiades "won" only together with Thrasyllus.
    1. +1
      12 February 2023 16: 42
      For me, Alcibiades is just a major, who has lost his banks, without any brakes and a roof.
      No wonder Plutarch compared him to Coriolanus...
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        +2
        12 February 2023 19: 37
        hi Greetings, Anton.
        IMHO To some extent, Alcibiades is a little Tsakhes, nicknamed Zinnober ...
        If we take into account
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Alcibiades "won" only together with Thrasyllus.
        smile
    2. +5
      12 February 2023 17: 23
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      This is not counting the ability to arrange an unbridled orgy with ugly antics.

      As you know, the Greeks came up with orgies, and the Romans ruined everything by inviting women to them. wassat
      1. +3
        12 February 2023 17: 42
        So maybe the Romans were right? As for me, "symposium" is better than "orgy".
        1. +3
          12 February 2023 18: 25
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          As for me, "symposium" is better than "orgy".

          At least the presence of hetaerae at the symposium was, if not mandatory, then at least desirable. drinks
    3. 0
      12 February 2023 17: 36
      Mikhail, (?) "Trilobite" I have a desire to argue with you, but there are few arguments. Only what I read from Valery.
      You should argue with Valery
      1. +2
        12 February 2023 18: 06
        Mikhail argued with Valery, and more than once. Which eventually led to an influx of hamsters on the "history" forum.
      2. +2
        12 February 2023 20: 54
        Quote from lisikat2
        I have a desire to argue with you

        It's not worth it, Katya.
        A beautiful young girl should not stoop to an argument with a grey-headed poisonous village boor. smile
  13. +1
    12 February 2023 17: 13
    Question in space, when will they fix the "bell"? It's not very comfortable without it.
  14. +2
    12 February 2023 18: 24
    "Alquiides advised" I wonder who was the first "shoe changer"? It is unlikely that Alquiides was an inventor
  15. +2
    12 February 2023 20: 39
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    So maybe the Romans were right? As for me, "symposium" is better than "orgy".

    For me, the Romans turned out to be more practical, their version looks somehow more interesting)
  16. +2
    13 February 2023 06: 00
    Somehow everyone forgot everything about the reasons and reason for the start of the Peloponnesian War.
    The massacre of all men and the sale of women and children into slavery on the island of Melos, inhabited
    descendants of the Spartans, produced by the democratic Athenian and allied
    troops - one of the reasons.
    "Meanwhile, Alcibiades, not created for rest by nature herself, in anger at the Lacedemoyans,
    treated Nicias with respect and reverence, and to him with disdain and
    contempt, at first openly spoke out against the world, but without success."
    Plutarch. "Selected Lives". Moscow. Pravda Publishing House. 1987.
    Volume II, page 173.
  17. 0
    14 February 2023 21: 02
    Quote: svp67
    And Alcibiades knew perfectly well how such challenges usually end in "democratic" Athens. Therefore, he preferred to flee to Sparta, against which he had just recently planned to fight.
    Hmm ... "37-year" some kind, but in "ancient Greek" ..., and most importantly, quite "democratic".

    Socrates was sentenced to drink a cup of hemlock. For corrupting the youth and denying
    gods.
  18. 0
    16 February 2023 15: 46
    And what about his strange photo in his passport? Either a curve, or without a tower, or even with girls? And then it was possible?
    I want that too. Well, in the sense of ulo (vb) with the girls.

    Don't be offended, I rarely get to write anything. Maybe one, two, three a month. And today it fell out. I want to fool around.
    .

    The article is interesting.


    Maybe only topvar keeps me from getting to know the squirrel. ..

    . :)