German press about the likely supply of Leclerc tanks to Kyiv: The French military themselves say that while one tank is in operation, two are being repaired

To disputes over the supply of NATO troops to the Ukrainian troops tanks added controversy regarding the French Leclerc. The German press decided to analyze why Macron suddenly “turned on the back” in terms of deliveries of French tanks, although initially he was almost the first to initiate the start of deliveries of NATO tanks to Ukraine.

In Spiegel, the authors write that representatives of the command of the country's armored forces could explain to the French president that Leclerc tanks require extremely complex maintenance, especially when it comes to such maintenance abroad.

German journalists:

For Emmanuel Macron, it's not about any tank supply taboos, but about the fact that Leclercs are fragile monsters, as they are often called. They are powerful and tough, but they need incredible maintenance to keep them fighting.

The publication recalls that earlier the French transferred a company of their Leclercs to Romania. As a result, it turns out that 13 platoons of technical personnel with a total number of about 8 military personnel were formed for 200 tanks.

Mirror:

The French military themselves say this: while one Leclerc is in operation, two are under repair.

In total, France has 226 of these tanks. According to the German publication, no more than 60 percent of them are fully combat-ready vehicles, and the rest are used for training purposes and are often repaired.

"Der Spiegel" claims that Paris, if it delivers tanks to Ukraine, then no more than 25 units.

From the material:

And if they put no more than 25, then why train Ukrainians, given that French tanks are fundamentally different from both Leopards and Abrams?

Comments

[Sith]

Leclerc in extreme modifications is an awesomely expensive tank, like any expensive toy, it requires expensive care
It is unlikely that Ukrainians will be trained to repair or maintain it ... rather, they will hire someone
But the zoo of NATO technology thrown in by well-wishers is already impressive in terms of the fact that everything needs its own approach
care ... the possibility of repair ... breakage and other
For in order to prepare it for the exit to the LBS, there is already a lot to do except deliver it on a dark night

[bath]

This is a very important political trend for the West, which has gone from cautious surveillance at the beginning of the war, then to providing light weapons, then moving on to providing offensive weapons such as tanks, after which they would provide any weapon capable of attacking Moscow.

And Russia was silent and shrinking. This is not the Russia that people remember!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: wanna

This is a very important political trend for the West, which has gone from cautious surveillance at the beginning of the war, then to providing light weapons, then moving on to providing offensive weapons such as tanks, after which they would provide any weapon capable of attacking Moscow.

And Russia was silent and shrinking. This is not the Russia that people remember!

Russia is still the same as it was. It's always like this with us - we swing for a long time. Perhaps that is why the saying was born -"Russia harnesses for a long time, but goes fast"

[Bad_gr]

Quote from Sith

Leclerc in extreme modifications is a fucking expensive tank

"Leclerc" inside

2nd and 4th photo, it seems, from different modifications of the tank (gunner's position)

[bayard]

Quote from Sith

But the zoo of NATO technology thrown in by well-wishers is already impressive in terms of the fact that everything needs its own approach

Testing your tanks in real databases is also of interest to Europeans. And the corporate discipline of NATO. So put everything in. And in the aggregate, only in the spring there will be at least 150-200 Western-made tanks in the theater. And most likely with NATO crews. All this hype in the media is a cover for decisions and real actions that have long been made. The tanks are already going to Ukraine, and no crews will have time to prepare for them - they go with the crews.
So the year will be hot , interesting and turning point .

[Vladimir80]

It's clear they're coming. But at the expense of the crews, it is doubtful if there is a possibility of knocking out tanks, none of the Europeans will agree to this. It seems to me that either they taught the Okrainians to ride them long ago, or a modern tank does not need "2 years of service in the army" to obtain the necessary skills (which is most likely a month - and to the front)

[bayard]

Quote: Vladimir80

It seems to me that either they taught the Okrainians to ride them a long time ago,

It is likely that they have been trained since the summer. Only the tank is not a dump truck or a limousine, it is not only necessary to ride on it, but also to fight. commanders and gunners need to be trained, and not only on simulators. And there everything is in English and in German, devices and systems in unfamiliar places, loading again ... Everything is not at all like on Soviet tanks. So you need to learn - at least two or three months, if the crews already have experience on the T-64 or T-72.
And since the tanks are already pulling to the borders (or maybe already in / on), it means that they already have crews.

Quote: Vladimir80

it is doubtful if there is a possibility of knocking out tanks, none of the Europeans will agree to this.

Okay, you. Look how many of them from Poland, England, Romania, the USA, etc., are fighting in simple infantry. And here - under the armor. They will find well-wishers, or send from regular ones. They can also connect PMCs.
And it will be the same with aviation - we are talking not only about the F-16 and A-10, but also about the French Mirage-2000 and Rafales, English and German Eurofighters ... well, and other F-16s from the rest of Europe. And the United States mentions, in addition to the F-16 and A-10, the F-15.
So everything will be serious. And not only in Ukraine. Russia is curtailing diplomatic relations with the Baltic countries to the fullest. The Latvian and Estonian ambassadors are expelled. Lithuanian will apparently follow. Well, ours from there ... Preparing the battlefield.
Meanwhile, in Germany, they are preparing for mobilization, they are going to return to conscription service.
It smells like a war in Europe.

[andrewkor]

I read somewhere that for Leclerc even boxes are not simple, but with air conditioning.

[Andron78]

The tank fever of the West is moving into a prenatal mode. It seems like you want to participate in the victory on the battlefield, but even more you don’t want to crap on this very field.

[North Caucasus]

The French military themselves say this: while one Leclerc is in operation, two are under repair.

What are you saying! Can not be! Foreign equipment does not break down! Everyone knows this! Even children!

[ilimnoz]

don't fall for it. All the equipment they have for the year brought to full readiness. press reports are a common cover operation. if you do not want unexpected surprises, consider everything. We are already completing the creation of a strike force along Russia. if Russia gives even the slightest slack, it will trample on Drang nah osten. a recipe for a preemptive strike against Poland and Romania. maybe even tactical nuclear weapons.

[bayard]

Quite right, Abdullah, they have been pulling equipment, equipment and all parks to our borders from the USA since the spring of 2014, in order to transfer only l / s at hour X. This year, things can turn around.
Therefore, it is necessary to beat in advance.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

In 1995, two Leclerc tanks failed on parade due to electronics. In subsequent public demonstrations, it was turned off ..
But that doesn't mean that Leclerc and the rest of the menagerie are toothless machines. The latter was specially created to counter the T-72 and T-80. Moreover, the French, developing it, abandoned the concept of "mobility is more important than protection" used on the AMX32.

[bath]

NATO is engaged in sausage slicing tactics against Russia, moving little by little to the lower border of Russia, and later they will provide long-range missiles and modern military aircraft.


But the strangest thing is the Russian defense forces, and everyone is surprised to find that the only ones who strike in the Ukrainian theater of war are the Wagner mercenaries, while the mighty Russian army is constantly cowardly in the trenches on the defensive.

This is very inconvenient for those who support Russia and we are often ridiculed for supporting Russia online. - If in the future Russia will be abandoned by everyone, then please don't blame anyone.

[Dmitry Trukhtanov]

Do you think the Musicians are so free artists?)))) This is a project from and to the Moscow Region, they receive tasks from the Moscow Region, weapons from the Moscow Region, funding from the Moscow Region, permission to attract convicts is the personal order of the Darkest One, as well as a pardon ... But you in principle, you can continue to believe that Mr. Prigozhin buys planes, tanks for his hard-earned money and drives convicts around the zones

[bath]

The duty of the defense forces is to resist NATO's eastward expansion and protect Russia's national interests.

What is the point of the existence of the Defense Forces if your Ministry of Defense asks mercenaries to deal with Russia's strategic security issues?

[Dmitry Trukhtanov]

Do you mean asking? It's you farmers crawling with outstretched hand ... At the same time, your owners are using their PMCs to the fullest so as not to attract, as you say, defense forces ... Well, yes, this is different)))

[bath]

Your words have encouraged me. I realized the basic principle of warfare: "What to fight for."

Yes, it occurred to me that "Denazification" and demilitarization have not been mentioned in Russia for a long time.

[bayard]

Quote from: wanna

in Russia, "Denazification" and demilitarization have not been mentioned for a long time.

Maybe because these words came up.
Mobilization was carried out in Russia, because the peacetime army turned out to be too small for such a scale of tasks, and it takes some time for the mobilized formations to undergo combat coordination and be fully ready for combat operations. That is why the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were grinding mainly by the forces of the Wagner PMC, while the mobilized Army promised combat readiness.
And as far as I know, the number of those called up for mobilization is much larger than officially declared, and in a large economy it takes longer to put things in order. Today the Army is ready to attack, but there is also the weather factor. We have winter. And the winter in Ukraine is quite mild, frosts are replaced by thaws, and the soils are soft. According to our (I'm from Donetsk) chernozems in such weather, you won't get much equipment. We need frosts - so that the earth grabs.
And if it is already obvious to everyone that all the noise and crackle in the Western media are just cover measures for the combat deployment of NATO forces along our borders. They have been preparing them for this since 2014 - all these years there has been a transfer of equipment from American divisions with the storage of their equipment, parks and warehouses of ammunition. So not everyone is talking about us, realizing that the main war is yet to come. This is not a local conflict with limited goals, this is the seed of World 3. Are you in a hurry to get started? Stalin also played for time before WWII, trying to prepare the Country, the Army and the Economy as best as possible. And he still lacked 1 - 1,5 years.
And now we do not have socialism.
And not Stalin.
Serious transformations are taking place in Russia itself, in the state and society. And these transformations are for the better.
And at the very beginning of the SVO, not only stupidity and unpreparedness took place, but also Treason. And this Treason was disguised as ... stupidity.
And one more example - at the beginning of the SVO in the RF Armed Forces there were about 100+ new T-90M tanks, but now there are at least 300. Their serial production was just beginning then, and now the assembly is in 3 shifts.
There were only 6 attack UAVs "Orion". - experimental batch, the only complex. In January, the RF Armed Forces received 8 such complexes, 6 strike UAVs each. In February there will be 12 more such complexes. And their production will increase.
So the time won was not used in vain. And the Army is ready to attack. And the offensive will begin, there will be "denazification" with "demilitarization". And the complete eradication of fascism in the native Russian land.

[Vlodek]

the main process is the defication of society. our own. disposal of faeces in the elite and leadership. and the process is underway! Actually, therefore, you should not rush the SVO. until the healing process is complete and there are no "cancer cells" left, the body will not be able to exert all its capabilities.
How high could Bubka reach if he had gout?
"slowly harnesses" us at all times. precisely because of the crustaceans accumulated in all strata of society

[Volodin]

Quote from: wanna

But the strangest thing is the Russian defense forces, and everyone is surprised to find that the only ones who strike in the Ukrainian theater of war are the Wagner mercenaries, while the mighty Russian army is constantly cowardly in the trenches on the defensive.

Sometimes it's really better to chew than to talk. Especially when the main source of information for drawing conclusions and logical chains is three and a half telegram channels...

[Apprentice_SAM]

wanna (wannacry)
11 September 2022 16: 51

Now I am completely disappointed in Russia. Because I can't fool myself.

And I don't want to read any more news about Russia, Putin and all his henchmen.

Why are you wannacry still here?
"Leaving - go away" (c)
"Do-mo-oh-oh" (c)
To Taiwan! (since you don't want to go to Berlin)

R.S. "wannacry" - in the sense, "beggar"?
"Sackers - on the roof!" (With)

[bath]

你需要专注于跨越第聂伯河，而不是看我以前的评论。

你会看到其他地方的人正在远离俄罗斯。

[Apprentice_SAM]

You read what the sister of the DPRK leader said: "North Korea will be in the same trench with the army and people of Russia."
Sing along, comrade wanna!

Song of the Chinese People's Volunteer (Cho Ren Chur)

Through mountains, over grasses and sands,
Past the quiet steppe Manchurian villages,
To the waters of the blue river Amnokkan
The young volunteer walked.

He came to us, that young Chinese,
Our brother went to help us in the battle,
To help us cope with adversity -
Drive the Americans away.

Hail our brave brother,
We will not forget your deed
Glory, glory to the brave volunteers,
Glory to our military friendship!

Or are you one of those: "There are comrades among us who are not comrades to us at all"?

[Vladimir80]

First 25, then another 25, then 250... Propagandists, wake up, stop lulling the people, together in the same boat.

[Nastia makarova]

so, what is next? so be it.......................

[rotmistr60]

while one tank is in operation, two are being repaired

It turns out that French technology is very delicate and also very difficult to operate for the "average" Ukrainian mind. Interestingly, Ukrainians are not offended that the Americans and the French do not consider them full-fledged people capable of mastering Western technology?

[alexey_444]

They found the switchmen (the military told the macron), the French, as usual, fled into the bushes, let the Germans pay for the American hegemony. But I would like to see Leclerc in Ukraine, and indeed all the tanks of the West, something tells me that commercials with their invincible tanks will have to be hidden so as not to anger the suckers who bought these tanks.

[Dmitry Trukhtanov]

Yes, these are not bad tanks, the question is that there are few of them, logistics, crews, maintenance and other points are unlikely to radically change anything

[Popandos]

commercials with their invincible tanks will have to be hidden

They won’t have to, they’ll say that they gave the savages a super-duper mega device, but they couldn’t use them properly, they broke them in the process and even cut their hands.

[aakvit]

Yeah, they gave three full-bodied STEEL balls, so they sold one, lost the other, and broke the third!

[Uprun]

After a week-long field trip, when a battalion of cadets (400 people) at the TBOUP training center was trained in tactics, driving, shooting, day, night - maintenance of the T-72 on Saturday (PCB): oil change (tanks were dragged from a fuel station), cleaning the gun barrel - that's all MOT ....... From Monday, the next battalion of a different course drove into the training center and everything was new. Something like this.

[Dmitry Trukhtanov]

Here we are talking about French eclairs)

[Alex_Bora]

But in principle, you can continue to believe that Mr. Prigozhin buys planes, tanks for his hard-earned money and drives convicts around the zones

PR - he is so ... The laws of the genre)))

[Dmitry Trukhtanov]

It’s not just PR here ... Mr. Prigogine is a rather dark and odious personality, it is for this reason that he was entrusted with the Wagner project! He is an excellent organizer and gets the job done. But since we have an age of the Internet, naturally there will be holivars, because any homeless person can feel like a generalissimo)))

[sergo1914]

. The French military themselves say this: while one Leclerc is in operation, two are under repair.

Canals!!! Thousand devils!!! What kind of lanfren lanfra???!!!

[AlexWar]

Zelensky is a sick man who believes in the power of the West. After the war, it is imperative to provide data on weapons supplies to Ukraine. The USSR was not in vain preparing for defense. Nobody attacked the USSR for years, as soon as Putin signed all these non-offensive weapons treaties, the result of these treaties is a big war
Joyful Ukraine in the 90s cut Tu-160, Tu-22 for scrap metal, many tanks were driven into parking lots where they rotted
You saw flocks of jackals gathering in the doorways, they are all power.
This means that at one time Yugoslavia could be divided, but Ukraine cannot be, about the same thing is happening. And also return Crimea to them with Russians
The Crimeans are just waiting for the Nazis to walk along their streets.
2012 fascists in Kyiv They go shouting Bandera will come to you, so he came from the other world to take back the Nazis

[Konnick]

Some kind of complacency ... a broken tank ...
But this tank can cause trouble in 5 minutes. With a rate of fire of 15 rounds per minute and a speed of up to 70 km/h.

[AlexWar]

Crimea dreams about this to become part of Ukraine

[Illanatol]

For Emmanuel Macron, it's not about any tank supply taboos, but about the fact that Leclercs are fragile monsters, as they are often called. They are powerful and tough, but they need incredible maintenance to keep them fighting.

Franco-German friendship at its finest.
How not to pour anal chocolate on a competitor partner?
It's so... European.

[Illanatol]

Quote: rotmistr60

It turns out that French technology is very delicate and also very difficult to operate for the "average" Ukrainian mind. Interestingly, Ukrainians are not offended that the Americans and the French do not consider them full-fledged people capable of mastering Western technology?

So it's stupid to be offended by the truth. All adequate people have long fled across the cordon from such "Europeanization by Maidanization."

[andray]

There is a lot of screaming, but their tanks will burn, like the rest, and then what? Will they deliver rockets to Ukraine that they will reach Moscow?

[YanniKounnar]

Ils semblent que les Allemands aient des problemes avec arithmétique car:

1er ils pretendent que pour un char en état de combattre 2 sont en reparation
2em ils prétendent en même temps que pour 226 chars 60% sont prêt au combat et le reste en réparation ET pour l'entraînement
Un enfant de 8 ans verrait l'illogisme de ces deux affirmations.
Ceci dit lors de leur seule utilisation au combat il semble bien que les retour d'expérience étaient plus favorable aux Leclerc qu'aux Abrahams...
Peut être les Allemands craignent ils une comparaison in situ avec leur Léopards :-)
Quoi qu'il en soit si nous (les Français) renonçons à jeter plus d'huile sur le feu je ne peux qu'applaudir!
Le gouvernement Français a peut être remarquer qu'un mouvement, contre la fourniture d'arme à l'Ukraine, depuis l'extrême gauche jusqu'à l'extrême droite commence à prendre de l'ampleur et tout gouvernement à peur d'une idee qui regroupe au lieu de diviser ...

yandex
It looks like the Germans have problems with arithmetic, because:

1st they claim that out of one combat-ready tank, 2 are under repair
2em at the same time, they claim that out of 226 tanks, 60% are ready for battle, and the rest are under repair and for training
An 8-year-old child would see the illogicality of these two statements.
However, when they were only used in combat, it seems that the feedback was more favorable to Leclerc than to Abrahams...
Perhaps the Germans are afraid of comparison on the spot with their leopards :-)
In any case, if we (the French) refuse to add fuel to the fire, I can only applaud!
The French government may have noticed that the movement against arms supplies to Ukraine from the extreme left to the extreme right is starting to gain momentum, and any government is afraid of an idea that unites, not divides ...

[Dismas]

An 8-year-old child, by this age, at least knows how to read:
1st - quote "from the French military";
2nd - information according to "Spiegel" on the number of "eclairs" in the "system".

[YanniKounnar]

Mais un enfant de 8 ans peu comprendre le niveau de véracité d'une soit disant citation, non sourcée.
Un enfant de 8 ans n'est pas assez idiot pour croire, par exemple, ce que les Ukrainiens disent sur les drones Russes, ou les Américains sur les chars Russes et vice versa. :-)

[Brother Ibota]

Purely due to artillery, NATO has an advantage. But people on the other side are tired and want to return to normal life. I think this speeds up the scenery of the territories. People can't always be cheerful there, fight forever

[rotmistr60]

Quote: Konnick

and speed up to 70 km/h.

According to the Ukrainian black soil? You praise, but also know the measure, taking into account the conditions of the theater of operations and the training of crews.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Everyone knows that Leclerc is an analogue of the Panther of the Kursk Bulge. He is a good tank, only he is afraid of war. The task was set: to steal as much money as possible, this miracle was created.
Wyons are won by T34, not by tigers.

[Jin]

I look at the photo. This heavy box rides on six road wheels ... The T-14, who died in the Bose, was put on seven. Well, it didn't work out at six. At what, to pay tribute to ours, we are much lighter.
Not a supporter of the "tank to tank" format, but this can come in at once.
Who would you bet on? Well, in an urya-patriotic vein, essno to our "tees". In the format of "dull" xs, probably on "alien". I don’t know, I wasn’t on the side of the “dull” ones.
The enemy’s FCS and thermal imagers annoy me more (HD quality, well, I don’t open America here, thanks to our figures, we are in a classic permanent ass on this issue). Infa has passed that, from our side, "Pine-U" is not enough for the T-72B3M ... It seems they are put on "Breakthroughs" in the first place ... And the rest according to the residual principle. In short, not enough, one stump ...
Here, guys, let's start burning ...

[Armen Sologyan]

I have only one wish for Ours!!! Let all foreign tanks burn, while ours sing "Burn, burn brightly so that it does not go out." Good mood at the same time Ours !!!!

[AlexisT]

I have long read the memoirs of our technician, who served the BMP-3 in Saudi Arabia. He told a dialogue with an Arab who was transferred from the service of the BMP-3 to Leclerc. He lamented very much that the BMP-3 almost did not need to be serviced, and the Leclercs needed to be serviced before leaving the training ground, after arriving at the training ground, after the training ground was over and after arriving at the garage.

[tsvetahaki]

Let's hope - maybe the tanks will not be delivered, and if they are, suddenly they themselves will crumble, and not crumble - they will drown in the mud or collapse along with the bridges.

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

For completeness of understanding, it makes sense to read Art. "Why steal ridiculous numbers of Leopards and F-16s?" https://trymava.rf/?p=40565

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

Quote: AlexisT

I have long read the memoirs of our technician, who served the BMP-3 in Saudi Arabia. He told a dialogue with an Arab who was transferred from the service of the BMP-3 to Leclerc. He lamented very much that the BMP-3 almost did not need to be serviced, and the Leclercs needed to be serviced before leaving the training ground, after arriving at the training ground, after the training ground was over and after arriving at the garage.

Apparently I read it too. Was there something about our old batteries, which were thrown into the sand, and six months later they dug up and again began to use instead of Western ones?