“The tanks inside are moldy”: due to the neglect of the Leopard 2A4, Germany is forced to transfer modern models to the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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The German army in 2022 had 312 units of Leopard 2 versions 2A5/6/7/7V, while not having a single tank older model Leopard 2A4, the last of which were transferred to Poland. A number of defense industry enterprises have them, but they are in a state of disrepair.

Some of these tanks stood for ten years with an open hatch, they were moldy inside

- said the head of Rheinmetall Armin Papperger about the neglect of the Leopard 2A4 in an interview with Stern.

According to him, the 22 2A4 units available at the concern's facilities can be ready for deliveries only by the end of the year.

They need to be completely disassembled, all nodes checked, which will take months. It's like taking a car completely apart, replacing broken parts, and then rebuilding it. 2-3 people can work with one tank, not 30. These are complex systems

Papper explained.

He sharply criticizes the demands of politicians who wanted Rheinmetall to put the 2A4 in order in a week, and calls for thinking with a future perspective:

They haven't ordered anything in over 20 years and now expect delivery tomorrow. It just won't work. Unfortunately, some politicians do not understand this.

It was the dismantling and disrepair of the 2A4 that forced the German authorities to transfer tanks of the modern model to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But even with a fleet of 2A6 tanks, everything is not so smooth. As Papperger explained, only 50% of the vehicles are combat-ready, 25% are being upgraded, and 25% are in storage. Apparently, things are no better in other European countries and they will have to provide assistance to the independent at the expense of the materiel of their combat units.

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[Orange Bigg]

It was the dismantling and disrepair of the 2A4 that forced the German authorities to transfer tanks of the modern model to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But even with a fleet of 2A6 tanks, everything is not so smooth. As Papperger explained, only 50% of the vehicles are combat-ready, 25% are being upgraded, and 25% are in storage. Apparently, things are no better in other European countries and they will have to provide assistance to the independent at the expense of the materiel of their combat units.

Zelensky is disarming Germany along the way. I think that Poland is not in vain counting on reports from Germany.

[svp67]

The German authorities previously bought the Leopard-2A4 in Sweden, in order to upgrade to the A7V version and subsequently put it into service with the Bundeswehr, they were already "used" and "not used" in Sweden

It was the dismantling and disrepair of the 2A4 that forced the German authorities to transfer tanks of the modern model to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Well, how, how ... and the tanks of the simpler version of the A5 "did not rise to give up"

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

The German authorities previously bought the Leopard-2A4 in Sweden, in order to upgrade to the A7V version and subsequently put it into service with the Bundeswehr, they were already "used" and "not used" in Sweden

It was the dismantling and disrepair of the 2A4 that forced the German authorities to transfer tanks of the modern model to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Well, how, how ... and the tanks of the simpler version of the A5 "did not rise to give up"

What for? The platform is the same for all Leos. Well, the Germans will give at least all 2A6 to Ukraine and will immediately give an order for the production or modernization of platforms to 2A7 of the same number of vehicles.

They understand that they have nowhere to hurry.

[Orange Bigg]

Tank T-90M.

A duel is planned. BOPS Lead-1, Lead-2 only for Almaty or will they be able to use them and the T-90M?

[dmi.pris1]

This is just in time for the topic of "war of attrition". True, there is no hurry. They have the capacity, a couple of hundred more tanks will be built in two or three years

[Rage66]

We have only one UVZ produces 30 per month

[Iris]

Is there at least one other plant for the production of tanks, besides UVZ?

[svp67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

. Well, the Germans will give at least all 2A6 to Ukraine and will immediately give an order for the production or modernization of platforms to 2A7 of the same number of vehicles.

They won’t give everything away, otherwise they themselves will be left without tanks, they are now having problems with production. And at the expense of modernization, you are right.

Oh yes... Welcome back

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

They won’t give everything away, otherwise they themselves will be left without tanks, they are now having problems with production. And at the expense of modernization, you are right.

Oh yes... Welcome back

Not all of course. But they will give 60 pieces a year.

[svp67]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

But they will give 60 pieces a year.

Given their promises to other countries, I don’t know for themselves, what will be left?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Aron Zaavi

But they will give 60 pieces a year.

Given their promises to other countries, I don’t know for themselves, what will be left?

Well, they built new Hungarians, that is, the enterprise lives on. Well, in a few years, all promises will be fulfilled.

[AdAstra]

And someone is going to attack them?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from AdAstra

And someone is going to attack them?

First, they are very afraid of you. Secondly, all these countries, being part of NATO, have obligations to the bloc about the presence of a certain number of aircraft.

[VicktorVR]

So they have the Poles at their side, who openly declare plans to create the very, very army of Europe and demand reparations from Germany.
On the other hand, I want to return upper Silesia, Alsace and Lorraine also probably don’t let many people sleep

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

or upgrading platforms to 2A7 of the same number of vehicles.

2A4 reaches a maximum of 2A5 in armor or another tower is needed. So modernization does not roll.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Aron Zaavi

or upgrading platforms to 2A7 of the same number of vehicles.

2A4 reaches a maximum of 2A5 in armor or another tower is needed. So modernization does not roll.

Well, the tower is the simplest thing with a serious upgrade.

[SeregaBoss]

That’s for sure, they have nowhere to rush, and there’s nothing for it, they will calculate the economics of production and shed a tear, and decide to modernize what remains, if at all, remains, who knows ...

[YOUR]

“The tanks inside are moldy”: due to the neglect of the Leopard 2A4, Germany is forced to transfer modern models to the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The Germans? I don't believe in anything. They cover up the transfer of more modern tanks or some other undercover games.

[Constantine N]

Well, they are all there in one NATO, they will be transferred from the active army. who will attack them?

[Leshak]

The supply of what and how much is their problem, but the destruction of what they supply is already ours. And this problem is quite serious.

[Orange Bigg]

Do you think modern T-90M BOPS will not take Leopard2A6?

[Lumberjack_2]

It depends where to shoot, and yes, a worthy opponent. There is still a lull about ammunition for them ... if 53 or 63, then a dangerous enemy for our troops (especially T72 and T80) ... how our leadership solves the problem, we are waiting

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Do you think modern T-90M BOPS will not take Leopard2A6?

100% will be taken on board. In the forehead depends on the distance.

[Orange Bigg]

BOPS Pattern will take Leopard2A6 in the forehead?

According to known data, the Lekalo projectile has a mass of approx. 5 kg and a length of 740 mm. The core is made of a new alloy based on tungsten carbide, providing increased armor penetration. Charge 4ZH63 accelerates the projectile to 1750 m / s. At a distance of 2 km with a direct hit, at least 650 mm of homogeneous armor breaks through. High penetration qualities are maintained in a wide range of contact angles, including with the defeat of combined obstacles.

At the moment, of the entire range of domestic BOPS, adopted for service, the most effective is the product "Lekalo". The launch of mass production and the delivery of thousands of such shells over the course of several years will make it possible to more fully realize the potential for modernizing domestic MBTs. Tanks receive improved fire control, and the new BOPS will successfully complement them.

The other day it became known about the launch of the production of a new BOPS. On January 17, Izvestia announced the existence of a contract for the supply of serial 3BM44 Lekalo projectiles. The document provides for the supply of BOPS for several years in the amount of thousands of pieces. Due to the supplies, the army will replenish the ammunition load of combat tanks, as well as form warehouse stocks. The first batch of shells in the amount of 2 thousand pieces will go to the troops before the beginning of autumn.

https://topwar.ru/166853-ot-mango-k-svincu-snarjady-v-serii-i-na-skladah.html

[svp67]

Quote from Orange Bigg

At a distance of 2 km, with a direct hit, at least 650 mm of homogeneous armor breaks through.

Homogeneous, maybe yes, but the A6 has a combined one and what kind of "pie" is still worth sorting out.

[your1970]

Quote: svp67

Quote from Orange Bigg

At a distance of 2 km, with a direct hit, at least 650 mm of homogeneous armor breaks through.

Homogeneous, maybe yes, but the A6 has a combined one and what kind of "pie" is still worth sorting out.

Do you think the "fire victims" have not been sold to us yet?

[svp67]

Quote: your1970

Do you think the "fire victims" have not been sold to us yet?

Remind me where the A6 "fire victims" could have been taken?

[Pancho]

But does modernization include a change in the composition of the armor?

[svp67]

Quote: Pancho

But does modernization include a change in the composition of the armor?

The very composition of the armor steel ??? Of course not. But here is the composition and properties of the combined armor barrier - YES. Starting with the A5 variant, they greatly and qualitatively increased armor resistance, and from the A6 variant also firepower, just as strongly and qualitatively

Differences between Leopard 2A5 and Leopard 2A4:
1) Additional passive armor is installed on the frontal and side parts of the tower.
2) The composition of the filler of the frontal armor of the turret and hull has been improved.
3) The tower has been significantly changed.
4) The gun mask has been changed, its dimensions have become smaller.
5) The gunner's main sight is raised higher and mounted on the roof of the turret.
6) The old hole for the gunner's sight has been removed.
7) The auxiliary sight has been moved from the right cannon guard to the top above the gun mantlet.
8) A periscope observation device is installed in front of the commander's hatch.
9) The head of the commander's sight was moved behind the commander's hatch and installed on a special pedestal.
10) The design of the driver's hatch has been changed, a sliding hatch has been installed.
11) A rear-view camera for the driver is installed at the stern of the hull.
12) Attachments for a camouflage net are installed on the VLD.
13) New electromechanical drives of the E-WNA gun and turret were used.
14) Removed all hydraulic drives of the turret and guns.
15) The gunner has a joystick to control the new turret and gun drives.
16) Introduced new ammunition DM-43 and DM-53.
17) A new PERI-R17A2 commander's sight has been installed.
18) The place of the commander has been changed due to the transfer of the sight and the change in the design of some elements of the tower.
19) GPS system installed.
20) Minor changes in the gunner's and driver's dashboards.
21) The aft part of the tower has been extended.
22) Added baskets to the left and right slopes of the stern of the tower.
23) On-board screens in the driver's area were replaced with new ones.
24) Additional roof protection was installed in front of the loader's hatch.
25) The roof is covered with an anti-slip coating.
26) Rubber side screens were replaced with steel ones.
27) Minor changes have been made to the road wheels.
Externally, tanks can be distinguished as follows:
wedge-shaped frontal armor of the turret, a new driver's hatch, a sight on the roof of the hull, a commander's panoramic sight behind the hatch.

The main differences between Leopard 2A6 and Leopard 2A5:
1) A new Rh 120 L55 gun has been installed.
2) The SLA has been improved to work correctly with the new weapon and ammunition.
3) Installed combined booking of the 3rd generation.
4) Installed new units of smoke grenade launchers.
5) A tank information and control system (TIUS) has been installed.

[Alexga]

And this problem is quite serious.

In any case, it is easier to burn these vehicles on untrained Ukrainian crews, and not on German crews, for whom these vehicles are "native". All passing events hint at the fact that Ukraine is not the end of the NWO here.

[svp67]

Quote: AlexGa

In any case, it's easier to burn these cars

With the use of aviation missiles and guided artillery shells at distances exceeding their direct shot

[AAK]

In the next month and a half to Banderas, friends from NATO of only Western models will supply approximately a tank regiment (50-60 vehicles), and taking into account gifts from Moroccans, Slovaks and all sorts of Bosnians, as well as the supply of Bradleys and Strykers, a completely full-blooded mechanized division, and this is already quite serious, especially considering that all the relevant services of Russia for 30 years have not bothered to cultivate new Kovpakov and Kuznetsovs in Banderostan, which is why there is no one to shoot Gauleiters, tear bridges with rails and direct our missiles ...

[tihonmarine]

Some of these tanks stood for ten years with an open hatch, they were moldy inside

- said the head of Rheinmetall Armin Papperger about the neglect of the Leopard 2A4 in an interview with Stern.

In the states, for 20 years, the old "Abrams" have been standing and nothing - they are "putting them in", but here there is mold inside. Ukrainians will eat everything.

[expert]

I would like to supplement it.
Mercur.de writes that this statement from Papperger was made twice! weeks ago, before the official announcement of the delivery of Leo.
Yesterday the following was published, I give in translation: "Leopard-2: the chief of" Rheinmetall "forces you to pay attention - 29 Leopard tanks will be combat-ready by the end of March.
“Yes,” declares exactly who should know, Armin Papperger, CEO of the German arms group Rheinmetall, in an interview with Stern.
Papperger said Rheinmetall could deliver a total of 2023 operational Leopard 29 tanks by March 2. “We have 40 Marders ready and by the end of March, around 29 Leopard 2A4 main battle tanks will be ready for action,” the head said. Rhinemetall.
Here is the information from yesterday.
There is no time, only 2 months!

[Evgenijus]

The weight of the Leopard rolls over - 63 tons with full ammunition. What kind of bridges in Ukraine will withstand this tank? Already today it is possible to calculate the routes for the delivery of these tanks to the front line. Winter will end quickly, spring thaw will come and all this iron will sink into the mud of Ukrainian fields. The Russian T-14 in armor and with ammunition weighs 53 tons, and the T90M 49 tons.

[PavelT]

A war has been going on for a year, and the bridges across the Dnieper near the Ukrainians have not only not been destroyed - they have not even been tried to destroy! The main feature of Ukraine is that it is cut in half by a huge river. But our leaders don't even want to use this lucky feature! Either because of some kind of stupid humanism, or because of secret agreements with the EU/NATO like "railways and bridges cannot be touched, otherwise how will our leaders go to Kyiv to support Zelensky and take pictures with him? !"
But if these bridges are opened (which was easily done in World War II), then the Ukrainian troops at the front, on the left bank of the Dnieper, will sit not only without these German tanks, but also other tanks of Soviet models (and Polish self-propelled guns "Crab" and American self-propelled guns M109 and Czech self-propelled guns "Dana" and others). And no ammunition at all. What would save the lives of thousands of our fighters!

[Stanislav0009]

How long will the crossing take? So at least everything is tracked on the bridges. And then look for where and how many threw them ...

[Deck]

The weight of the Leopard is off scale - 63 tons with full ammunition. What kind of bridges in Ukraine will withstand this tank?

Have you seen such things on the roads? Gross weight 63-65 tons

[seacap]

Bridges are not a panacea, it is difficult and expensive to destroy, and the effect is relatively short-lived and not obvious. A living example is the Crimean, given the thoroughness of the monumentality of the repair, which will not be necessary in combat conditions on the Dnieper bridges.

[Pancho]

It would be possible to at least destroy the railway tunnel connecting with Poland, and not sit and track how much and what passed through the border.

[your1970]

Quote: PavelT

But if these bridges are unfigured (which was easily done in World War II),

Easy ??? how many planes were put on it ??

[Grunt]

The specific pressure on the ground at Leopard2 is less than that of T90 (about drowning in mud)

[ssergey1978]

Bridges will hold. A modern Chinese dump truck weighs 60-80 tons with overload and even wooden bridges can withstand it.

[Mint Gingerbread]

It would be nice to get a live sample, if possible, for study by domestic design bureaus

[seacap]

There are early Leopards, in sufficient quantities, the latest modifications are needed, those nuances that will not be in the independent one, they will just be dismantled, although it will do.

[ASM]

I wonder what they'll take? It is clear that the part of the electronics that is responsible for internal army negotiations is secret. So what is next? And what will ultimately remain of Leo - the "Turkish pogrom"?

[Rage66]

were transferred to Poland

Military transport, fire the editor with no severance pay

[Dr. Barmaley]

The tanks inside are moldy

Clean up with Coca-Cola.

[Leonid67]

Well, they will clean and bring the tanks to working condition in a month or two with guest workers from Ukraine, it will not be difficult. What should our troops do in this case? I mean the supply of modern tank and artillery systems to the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the training of soldiers and the financing of the state itself?

[seacap]

A tank is a tank, it has a cannon and a machine gun that kill and destroy. We also have T-62 and T-64 not off the assembly line, but removed from storage. Moreover, Leopards of early models, with proper use, are very good. With a three-line, you can also shoot effectively. Such headlines are good for a non-professional, for a gamer it will do. Any vehicle removed from long-term storage undergoes a run-in and pre-combat training, and is brought to a combat state.

[mlkhail perlov]

The Germans were completely freaked out. .. They were allowed to unite the country, the atrocities of the Nazis were forgiven .... Scum!

[sifgame]

They see it as a weakness. Now, if they would genocide, build 500 military bases, rob, then they would love us and kiss us on the heels.

[Skeptic3]

Are you sure that torturing people is a good way to get love from them?
I think this behavior is called "rape".

[Pancho]

"Don't do GOOD - you won't get EVIL"

[dfk-80]

War is the path of lies and deceit. To believe any politicians/newspapers is at least necessary through a triple check.
Nothing prevents us from announcing the delivery of 14/88 tanks (not mine, the Britons and Deutsches announced this for tanks), but to supply 100/300. The losses of the troops of the RF Ministry of Defense will sharply increase, the speed of advance + you can continue to troll Konashenkov and all ru channels.

[Mine surveyor_75]

We have already talked about the supply of new types of weapons, hmm ... I’m just wondering, but what are we waiting for when this equipment appears on the front line on the other side? Let them say that we will get out, take away, steal, blow up, or anything. The fact remains that this is a weapon, and of a high level and quality, which will be aimed at the destruction of our soldiers. Is it really impossible to take measures and strike a preemptive blow, so that it was crushing, after which Ukraine will cease to exist as a state? Maybe it's enough to mumble and express notes of protest?

[75 Sergey]

It also won’t reach ours that if tomorrow equipment and weapons are dragged to the mobilized enterprises for restoration, then nothing will happen right away.
We must now give them a chance to "indulge" in order to understand what resources and capabilities they have and where to get goods and materials for restoration, and what technologies and competencies they need.

[Sasha from Uralmash]

We also have GPG-7 moldy! So they will get to know each other for synergy!

[Puper driver]

If they go like a pig, give carte blanche to the Supreme Commander for the use of tactical nuclear weapons. No other way. Well, or Muscovites will dig trenches, as in the 41st.

[lukash66]

Somewhere it already happened ... Near Stalingrad, they already had mouse voles eating wiring.

[MONEY]

An article to calm down. About nothing !! In the past, they shouted from TV screens that Europe would freeze without gas and oil .. They didn’t freeze. .Now they are writing and yelling that Western tanks are bullshit and we are quickly utilizing them. They are the same about nothing ...

[Aleksandr65]

Sanctions were imposed on us, gas pipelines were blown up, what kind of passive position do we have? It is already possible to accept nuclear weapons along the western border of ukrov, this will be our ribbon. It's time to set your own rules! "I think so!!! A. Raikin."