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“Who opposes granting Russian citizenship to Russian compatriots?”

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“Who opposes granting Russian citizenship to Russian compatriots?”It is no secret to anyone that Russian legislation is often based on Jesuit logic, inconsistencies and omissions. All these flaws create "muddy water" in which it is impossible to find complete solutions to a huge mass of problems.

After the collapse of the USSR, Russians de facto became a divided people, which on the former national outskirts, which became overnight “sovereign states”, are still second-class rights, feeling all the “charms” of the realization by their respective titular nations of their rights to self-determination. Of course, this picture needs dozens of reservations in relation to each specific state of the post-Soviet space. Of course, the intensity of interethnic confrontation over the past 20 years has significantly decreased. But it is also obvious that for any Russian person who, not voluntarily, turned out to be a foreign citizen in relation to his historical Russia, as before, remains the place where you can leave if there are no prospects at all in the country of residence to establish your own life and ensure a decent future for children. According to recent sociological studies, about 52% of Russians living in CIS countries are more or less inclined to move to Russia.

In relation to these people, the Russian Federation is obliged to meet certain political and humanitarian obligations. Any attempt to reset these obligations or postpone their implementation is criminal; any attempt to fix these obligations on the basis of existing legislation is a blessing.

So, with the existing legislation on this part there are big problems.

In 1999, the Federal Law “On the State Policy of the Russian Federation towards Compatriots Abroad” was adopted, which for the first time described the outlines of these obligations of Russia, introduced the definition of the concept “compatriot abroad”. In accordance with this, the first edition of the law, the representatives of the titular nations of the newly formed states fell under the category of compatriots. At the same time, this law did not provide for any substantial obligations of Russia related to the right of compatriots to repatriate. More precisely, there were certain declarations, but their implementation in concrete, sectoral, legislative acts was half-or-all or absent.

More specifically, for example, the Federal Law “On Citizenship of the Russian Federation” established (and still establishes) the right of admission to Russian citizenship in a simplified manner only for certain categories of persons who may not be compatriots.

This is the question of the lack of agreement and the Jesuit logic. And now - about defaults. In 2010, a new edition of the law on compatriots was issued, which clarified this very concept. In accordance with it, compatriots "recognize persons and their descendants living outside the territory of the Russian Federation and relating, as a rule, to peoples historically living in the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as having made a free choice in favor of spiritual, cultural and legal ties with the Russian Federation persons whose relatives in the direct ascending line had previously lived in the territory of the Russian Federation ”(Section 3 Art. 1).

Here, of course, the devil will break his leg, because the legislators did not dare to give a more precise definition and did not go without reservations (“as a rule”), which allow one to interpret this rule as one likes. But from this wording, it is nevertheless clear that the representatives of the indigenous peoples of Russia are considered to be “first approximation” compatriots. By the way, the very phrase “peoples historically living on the territory of the Russian Federation” is already a great progress, because such a construction first appeared in Russian legislation for the first time. And it, of course, “cuts off” representatives of the titular nations of the respective states.

But what is most interesting? The editors of the law on compatriots of the model 2010 of the year declared the right of compatriots to receive Russian citizenship in a simplified manner (Art. 11-1). And this declaration should be embodied and become concrete in the law on citizenship. Otherwise, the right will remain a declaration.

But how to realize this right in practice? It is necessary to take into account some features of Russian lawmaking. First, in the Russian legislation it is actually forbidden to use ethnic differentiation, that is, it cannot be written down that the right to simplified citizenship should be given only to Russians and no one else.

Secondly, the very "muddy water" and the very "reticence" were embodied in the fact that Russian legislation does not contain a list of "peoples historically living in the territory of the Russian Federation". And if he had been, then, thirdly, there are no legally prescribed procedures for certifying the nationality of either Russian or foreign citizens applying for Russian citizenship.

Of course, both the list of peoples and the documentation of nationality must be entered. This is beyond doubt. But nevertheless, they are well aware that with the existing approach, which the Russian authorities use to solve these issues, this is simply impossible! Sorry, impossible.

Therefore, we have what we have. Although we have a more specific, but vague notion of “compatriots abroad”, which all foreign Russians and representatives of other indigenous peoples of Russia unequivocally fall into, and “in the first approximation” representatives of the title nations of foreign countries do not fall. And we have a declaration on the right of these people to receive Russian citizenship in a simplified manner.

It must be assumed that it was on the basis of these considerations that the legislative initiative of senators Ilyas Umakhanov, Vladimir Dzhabarov and Vyacheslav Fetisov was submitted to the State Duma, which involves the introduction of a simplified procedure for accepting compatriots into Russian citizenship. In accordance with it, a compatriot is entitled to receive a Russian passport without observing the five-year period of residence in Russia, without confirming the legal source of existence and without passing the exam on the knowledge of the Russian language.

But what immediately began here! In the midst of the "Russian National Democrats" began a tremendous commotion. Some of the headlines are worth it: "Replacing the indigenous population," "Now any Central Asian can instantly receive Russian citizenship," "All Central Asian people will be granted citizenship and immediately taken to the polls." ... No one bothered to read and understand the essence of the initiative, no one bothered to analyze real (REAL!) opportunities for the implementation by Russian of the rights to simplified citizenship under the current legislation. “Tunnel thinking” about the intrigues of the “anti-Russian regime” worked. And if at least someone bothered, he would have come to an unequivocal conclusion: under the current legislation, there are no other possibilities to provide such a right to Russians abroad. Again, unfortunately.

So you "checkered or go"? We want to solve the problem or do we want to ritually trumpet the whole of Ivanovo about the crowds of Central Asians, who will immediately take advantage of this norm? The second is more interesting and entertaining. But with the second big inconsistencies.

The fact is that "crowds of Central Asians" obtain Russian citizenship on completely different grounds and bypassing the law on citizenship. How do they do it? Elementary!

The Russian Federation has signed several international agreements with CIS countries on citizenship issues. For example, there is an Agreement between the Russian Federation and the Kyrgyz Republic on the simplified procedure for acquiring citizenship by citizens of the Russian Federation arriving for permanent residence in the Kyrgyz Republic, citizens of the Kyrgyz Republic arriving for permanent residence in the Russian Federation, and leaving their former citizenship.

So, just to illustrate: in accordance with this Agreement with 1997, the citizenship of the Russian Federation was acquired by more than 300 000 citizens of Kyrgyzstan, of whom, according to official data, 60% are Kyrgyz, 20% are Russian.

And then there is the Agreement between the Republic of Belarus, the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Kyrgyz Republic and the Russian Federation on the simplified procedure for acquiring citizenship. And according to it, the same Kirghiz, Uzbeks from Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhs can receive Russian citizenship.

And there is another remarkable international legal document of its kind - the Treaty between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Tajikistan on the regulation of dual citizenship issues. In accordance with this Agreement, a Tajik may not even refuse a Tajik when acquiring Russian citizenship!

Therefore, all moaning about the influx of Central Asians, if Russia, in accordance with the aforementioned bill, gives Russians the right to simplified admission to Russian citizenship, is better to stop, because the topic of Central Asians is “revealed” by international agreements of the Russian Federation. And if you put the question squarely, you need to demand that Russia withdraw from these agreements, because they create the conditions for the mass legalization of Central Asian migrants in our country.

But I will even say more: there are no guarantees that the draft law will be adopted by the State Duma, even though it is more passable. The fact is that a similar bill, which Konstantin Zatulin submitted in October 2011, was rejected by the State Duma. Another initiative on the same topic from Senator Mikhail Kapura will also soon appear to be rejected.

So the storm of angry disturbances was in vain and off topic. But many of its founders have been well trained in rhetoric and eloquence.
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  1. traveler
    traveler 13 November 2012 07: 54
    +28
    Strange, but the entire FMS is only concerned with "orassianization" of S. Asia and other "non-white-faced" people, and all Russians who have returned to their homeland receive a lot of obstacles. The natives live in family clans, they have established moves to "bring" bribes to the right people, there is support from the diaspora (work, living), and ours "fight" with the system alone.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 13 November 2012 09: 19
      +13
      traveler

      I support you in the comments.
      In general, the article begins for health, and ends, like, "Fools and bawlers, you do not understand anything, a very correct initiative."
      In the article: "According to the latest sociological studies, about 52% of Russians living in the CIS states, to one degree or another, are inclined to move to Russia."
      So give it to RUSSIANS, UKRAINIANS and BELARUSIANS, you hear, ALL possible preferences - citizenship, housing (land), kindergartens, schools, education, interest-free loans, loans, less taxation, etc. Why not??? Oh we YOU, bl..b, tolerant ...

      Here is another article: "So, just for illustration: in accordance with this Agreement, more than 1997 citizens of Kyrgyzstan have acquired citizenship of the Russian Federation since 300 ..." Question: how many RUSSIANs acquired the citizenship of Kyrgyzstan ??? I agree, according to statistics 100-1000 you can buy lol

      Quote: traveler
      and ours "fight" with the system alone
      Unfortunately...

      They cannot accept the law, initiatives, you see, they are rejected ...
      Meanwhile, quotas for migrant-Gaster only GROW.
      Comrade Putin is FOR and ... meets with B. Lazar and what kind of "52% of Russians living in the CIS countries are inclined to move to Russia" ... Not up to you ... It is not relevant, apparently ...
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 13 November 2012 11: 28
        +1
        That is so, but how many preferences are given to the citizens of Russia themselves? Low loans, housing, work - does everyone have everything?
      2. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 13 November 2012 11: 36
        +4
        Yes, for many, such a mixture as Russian Ukrainians Belarusians in one state is worse than incense for hell! here and invent ................. sad
      3. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 13 November 2012 12: 31
        +2
        But fresh ...
        The title of the article contains the question "WHO?" Yes, all the same - "Russia lacks about 50-70 million migrants," said the chairman of the Russian State Duma Committee on Nationalities Gadzhimet Safaraliev ("United Russia") On November 12, during a press conference "Can the Russian labor market do without newcomers?", A REGNUM correspondent reports
        Recall that in June, Russian President Vladimir Putin approved the Concept of the State Migration Policy of the Russian Federation for the period up to 2025. "

        Tafay, tafay ... Here's such - TATUPED from EP ...
      4. Pablo
        Pablo 14 November 2012 02: 04
        +2
        Regardless of the place of residence for all Russians (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians) to grant Russian citizenship automatically, confirming that the ancestors were Russian .. And it turns out that the Russians do not have their own country.
    2. nokki
      nokki 13 November 2012 09: 30
      +5
      ours "fight" with the system alone

      This is the whole point! And, by the way, the answer to the question asked in the article. Criminalized bureaucracy and power structures benefit from such "muddy water"!
    3. vadimN
      vadimN 13 November 2012 10: 45
      +4
      Well, it’s not for nothing that the legislation uses the phrase "on the simplified procedure for acquiring citizenship"...
      ... the key word here is the acquisition
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 13 November 2012 07: 57
    +12
    it will not be so written in the law, but how beneficial to officials ... i.e. Russian barriers will be created, but environment-friendly Asian people will skip the line ... for the appropriate fee. I remember in Krasnoyarsk they showed the plot on TV ... when it used to be that only citizens of the Russian Federation could trade on the market ... then all the traders became friendly citizens .. . Moreover, the portraits were issued in such a Siberian wilderness.
    1. YARY
      YARY 13 November 2012 08: 46
      +27
      Even now and here, everyone "gracefully" avoids the simple truth. Which "lies on the surface" of this question !!!
      RUSSIAN !!!
      THE WHOLE PROBLEM IN THE ABSENCE OF GRAPHS N A C I O N A L A N O S T
      Why should a Russian go to his home in Russia the same way with all sorts of yakim?
      Because someone has deprived us of the rights to our nationality? Announced homeless "Rosiyane understands" !?
      Is it time to separate the grain from the chaff?
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 13 November 2012 09: 15
        +6
        Quote: Ardent
        THE WHOLE PROBLEM IN THE ABSENCE OF GRAPHS N A C I O N A L A N O S T

        An absolutely fair statement !!! "+" Returning this column to the passport will allow at least a little to put things in order in the issue of nationality, although I don't really need this column in order to feel Russian, but judging by the latest censuses, a new "indigenous" people have appeared in Russia - HOBBIES !!! How do you like "Middle-earth" ??? recourse
        1. petro
          petro 13 November 2012 09: 47
          -11
          So "Svoboda" in Ukraine also stands for this, for this column. So she was accused of terry nationalism, the same Russians living in Ukraine. Or "what is possible for Jupiter, that cannot be bull" Russians are so SPECIAL.
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 13 November 2012 09: 59
            +4
            Quote: petro
            .So she was accused of terry nationalism, the same Russian living in Ukraine.

            Are we talking about Ukraine? Did someone mention Tyagnibok? Or is your comment just to "shake the conversation"? request
          2. Igor
            Igor 13 November 2012 10: 02
            +5
            Yes, they still said a lot of things and they do not accuse her of terry nationalism not for the count in the passport for your information laughing
          3. alebor
            alebor 13 November 2012 10: 21
            +4
            Everything is very simple. The column "nationality" is beneficial to the national majority and unprofitable nat. minorities, therefore, minorities, especially those who do not have their own autonomies or live outside them, are usually against.
          4. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 13 November 2012 11: 32
            0
            Least of all is this organization associated with the return of the columns in the passport ...
          5. Don
            Don 13 November 2012 16: 43
            0
            Quote: petro
            So "Svoboda" in Ukraine also stands for this, for this column.

            To enter the column is one thing, and to divide citizens into first and second grades, into a titular and not a titular nation is another.
          6. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 13 November 2012 20: 08
            +3
            Quote: petro
            "Russians are so SPECIAL.

            Do you hear, garbage from under your nails, you zadolbal the provocateur of the Jews, you would have walked with your fascist-Bendera "freedom" goat into the crack. I am an ethnic Ukrainian and have never felt like a stranger in Russia. I am a Cossack and, like my ancestors, I consider the Slavic peoples to be a single fraternal people.
            1. omsbon
              omsbon 13 November 2012 20: 51
              +4
              Quote: cherkas.oe
              garbage from under the nails,

              I really liked the expression. Brother, I'm with you. We are Cossacks, we Bandera bullshit poher!
      2. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 13 November 2012 11: 38
        -2
        well - I was born in the USSR - what - a citizen of a non-existent superpower! ???????????????? winked
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 13 November 2012 08: 02
    +3
    why be surprised? We have all the laws written for the convenience of an official. even if the official must do something by the nature of his service, he will not even do it, but only indicate the least intention to do it after receiving the appropriate bribe or after receiving a hat from the higher official, who also needs to be greased.
    I came to only one conclusion - an official is a new type of "aristocracy" on the territory of Russia. and he does not care about the needs of the average man from a high tower
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 13 November 2012 08: 46
      +4
      an official is already a "nationality"
    2. alexng
      alexng 13 November 2012 14: 23
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      I came to only one conclusion - an official is a new type of "aristocracy" on the territory of Russia. and he does not care about the needs of the average man from a high tower


      Well, this is not only in Russia, but in all the former republics. And most likely all over the world in this regard, not everything is so smooth.
    3. YARY
      YARY 13 November 2012 15: 35
      0
      LIVING SHOTS! Make them(bureaucrats) move or dry like a class !!!
  4. enkor
    enkor 13 November 2012 08: 05
    +4
    All obstacles are created by liquid Masons under E.B.N. So far, insurmountable conditions have been created for the extinction of the gene pool of the Russian nation since 1917. The sooner we get rid of God-selected individuals, regardless of their liberty-tolerast tales. The healthier and cleaner any people are.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 13 November 2012 11: 33
      -7
      Another poor one - if you are a "gene pool" with such simple views on the world, then I apologize ...
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 November 2012 08: 10
    +20
    I remember how the Hero of Russia turned to the president on the air with a request to help with citizenship and only after that he received it. Our officials are afraid of initiative, they are afraid to put signatures on documents, everyone looks to the top. How many thieves in law from the same Georgia received Russian citizenship, almost all of them probably. And today, as I understand it, it is easier for a Kirghiz to obtain Russian citizenship than for a Russian who lives in Latvia or somewhere else. Once again I am convinced that the national minorities of rights in Russia have more rights than we are "owners Russian land ".
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 13 November 2012 09: 37
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      "the owners of the Russian land".

      You have surprisingly correct spelling of this phrase, Alexander !!! Exactly so, in quotes and not otherwise. On our land, we ceased to be masters and turned into an "electorate" (an appendage for politicians who are not at all Russian), a "crowd, cattle" (for officials of all stripes), a "people" who "hawala everything" (for "figures" of show business ). We have ceased to be respected, they have ceased to reckon with us and are mistaken for idiots who have been crammed for many years about the exceptional stupidity and boneiness of the Slavs. Who are we? Who were you? And most importantly - who will we become? ...
      You wrote yesterday that "you have to start with yourself"! Once again I want to confirm that this is probably the most correct statement. It is from myself, from my family, relatives and friends, friends and neighbors. If we ourselves do not force ourselves to study the history of our people, we do not instill love for our native land in our children, then in 20 years we will turn into a "Americanized" herd of "attendants", which one of us is persistently trying to do. recourse
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 13 November 2012 12: 56
      +5
      this was the case back in 2002 - upon dismissal from the ranks of the Armed Forces, he received a citizen’s passport only upon presentation of a certificate stating that he lived in the territory of the Russian Federation, and this despite the 10-year service in the RF Armed Forces. am / brain carried out thoroughly /
  6. predator.2
    predator.2 13 November 2012 08: 26
    +14
    The tram massacre in eastern Moscow, which a group of stowaway Caucasians staged in response to comments from passengers, led to a two-hour disruption on three tram routes. As Interfax was told in the press service of Mosgortrans, at the time of the arrival of the ambulance and police units, the movement of trams number 8, 24 and 37 was suspended. Buses were launched along their routes.

    Five (according to some sources, six) perpetrators of the incident fled, they are wanted by the police. The Metropolitan Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs indicated on its website the phones by which they are waiting for information from eyewitnesses. As the head office points out, the stabbing took place on Monday morning in the tram N8, following the Entuziastov highway. Armed Caucasians entered the tram through the back door at the DK Compressor stop, at the entrance to the Aviamotornaya metro station.

    The car driver said that he would be unlucky with free riders, passengers took his side, urging violators to enter by all the rules through the turnstile at the front door. However, the matter did not end in a bickering - guests from the south took out knives and injured three passengers. One of the victims was also hit on the head - presumably with a pistol grip.

    Life News names the victims: 46-year-old Vladimir Pronin, 37-year-old Mikhail Kostenko and 65-year-old Vladimir Nilov. The eldest of the men received the most serious injuries - a stab-cut wound to the abdomen and an injury to the parietal region. He was hospitalized at the Sklifosovsky Institute. The first victim was delivered there, the second was taken by City Clinical Hospital N29. Both have stab-cut chest wounds.

    According to doctors, a helicopter of the air force flew to the place of the emergency, but its help was not needed - the wounded were quickly transported by ambulance.

    President of the Federation of Migrants of Russia Majumder Muhammad Amin, despite the accusations of eyewitnesses against the Caucasians, told Gazeta.ru that the conflict is not interethnic. "Last week, for example, a lawyer shot seven people, today representatives of Caucasian or African nationalities wounded someone with a knife. This is not an interethnic problem, this is a problem of fostering tolerance towards each other," he commented.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2012 08: 35
      +24
      Quote: predator.2

      President of the Federation of Migrants of Russia Majumder Muhammad Amin, despite the accusations of eyewitnesses against the Caucasians, told Gazeta.ru that the conflict is not interethnic. "Last week, for example, a lawyer shot seven people, today representatives of Caucasian or African nationalities wounded someone with a knife. This is not an interethnic problem, this is a problem of fostering tolerance towards each other," he commented.

      On the other hand, when Russky loads up a frozen Dagestan or someone else there, then on all channels, everyone is not too lazy to shout about a conflict on ethnic grounds. They will soon rename Moscow, but not us, but they will do it. Yesterday they asked Today they already demand, and tomorrow they will take it themselves. They must be evicted from Russia, not citizenship should be issued. Let the road managers sweep the road.
    2. Vito
      Vito 13 November 2012 08: 41
      +16
      predator.2 , Good morning. hi
      After reading your comment, the conclusion suggests itself!
      It's time for us to start knives and trunks to drag under the stripe!
      Children of the mountains do not worry about this topic and do not hesitate to use all this economy. Here is a tip to the police (every second of these "brothers" walks armed around the city).
      And what weddings they celebrate in cities, so far only with the help of traumatism, but it is still!
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 13 November 2012 15: 18
        +1
        In the sense that you propose to the policies to inspect every "stranger" on the street for weapons or drug-containing drugs?
    3. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 13 November 2012 08: 44
      +15
      Quote: predator.2
      Tram massacre in the east of Moscow

      Again shooting wedding .. The culprit is 17 years old, two injuries, a car, bits in the trunk and a flasher ..
      No need to tighten laws, it is necessary to achieve the implementation of the existing ALL! And to ultimately reduce the influx of those who still oh how early it is to live in human society ..
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 13 November 2012 16: 49
        +1
        [quote = sanyabasik] The culprit is 17 years old, two injuries, a car, bits in the trunk and a flasher ..
        + More handcuffs to everything ... It is a question earlier that the face looks like a girl
        handcuffs can for entertainment))
    4. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 13 November 2012 11: 26
      +9
      The film does not teach us anything ...
    5. enkor
      enkor 13 November 2012 15: 48
      -3
      Amin - said - do your tales, take care of the education of each other's tolerasts.
  7. andrey9031
    andrey9031 13 November 2012 08: 37
    +10
    I have repeatedly met how blacks change their names to Russian, declare themselves Russian and get a job in government and administration, and how it ends
    1. slas
      slas 13 November 2012 20: 02
      0
      Quote: andrey9031
      I have repeatedly met how blacks change names to Russian

      Oh, and it’s not so much black and white and curly-haired changed And now some are killing our bodies and others are our souls
  8. Igor
    Igor 13 November 2012 08: 44
    +9
    According to recent sociological studies, about 52% of Russians living in CIS countries are more or less inclined to move to Russia.


    In reality, only 52% can leave these 5% who have saved up at least some fortune, which is enough for at least a one-room apartment in their native Russian Federation, and go to the Russian Federation and live like Tajiks in basements, wagons and work on a construction site for 20 thousand. not one Russian will not go)))
    When I applied for simplified citizenship, I was offered to go to some Tula deaf and work there for 12 thousand rubles, I didn’t appear more on the threshold of the Consulate of the Russian Federation, I found one woman on the Internet, then I offered to fictitiously get married for 40 thousand. and now I’m already a citizen of the Russian Federation, then I found a job by profession, the company in which I work, she privately provided me with an apartment, social. package, over time I got used to it, I bought an apartment 30% cheaper than the average temperature in the hospital. But today's citizenship program is suitable only for pensioners who want to live their life in a Russian village laughing

    Therefore, all moaning about the influx of Central Asians, if Russia, in accordance with the aforementioned bill, gives Russians the right to simplified admission to Russian citizenship, is better to stop, because the topic of Central Asians is “revealed” by international agreements of the Russian Federation. And if you put the question squarely, you need to demand that Russia withdraw from these agreements, because they create the conditions for the mass legalization of Central Asian migrants in our country.


    Bugagaga !!! The author apparently does not understand that they will pass another bill with the help of which they legalize another couple of millions of migrants, and only a couple of thousand will come to Russians, because there are no conditions for the migration of highly skilled labor.

    “All Central Asians will be granted citizenship and immediately taken to the polls”


    That's right, because the Central Asians are not as demanding as their own citizens, they all have a dream (to obtain citizenship) and they will vote for the party that will provide them with this document. Everyone remembers the Tajik rallies with edra flags or when agitators ran in the presidential election Tajiks also called on everyone to vote for Putin (he himself saw such people at his polling station).
  9. IRBIS
    IRBIS 13 November 2012 08: 53
    +17
    What is easier - to distinguish a Russian from an Uzbek. In our country, many things and concepts that are simple in meaning are elevated to the degree of insanity and absurdity. There are ethnic Russians who should be granted citizenship without any delay. But with the eastern "comrades" I would not rush. Why the hell do we need these citizens? It is they, when such flexible and accommodating people ask for citizenship, and then they "fledge" and begin to build goat's muzzles. It is enough to look at Europe and the United States to understand how the flirting with "democracy" ends. These "citizens" will not work anyway, over time they will sit on their necks and begin to demand.
  10. djsa1
    djsa1 13 November 2012 08: 53
    +14
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    On the other hand, when Russky charges up a frozen Dagestan or someone else there, then on all channels, everyone is not too lazy to shout about a conflict on ethnic grounds. We will soon rename Moscow, but not us, but they will do it. Yesterday they asked Today they already demand, and tomorrow they will take it themselves. They must be evicted from Russia, not citizenship should be issued. Let the road managers sweep the road.

    Recently, in Moscow, until I reached the metro, I didn’t meet a single Russian, I went to Rostiks for a snack, and there were some Asians, although I traveled about 3 years ago, Russian youth worked there. It seems that I came not to the capital of Russia, but to the capital Armenia or Tajikistan. Even the cops began to come across black)
  11. donchepano
    donchepano 13 November 2012 09: 01
    +6
    Dear Colleagues! a request not to allow offensive statements on nationality, so as not to give the enemies an occasion to accuse of inciting it, it’s clear what ... In general, it seems that the course towards extermination of the Russian people and, first of all, the Slavs
    1. Igor
      Igor 13 November 2012 09: 09
      +8
      Quote: donchepano
      Dear Colleagues! please do not allow offensive statements on nationality, so as not to give the enemies an occasion to accuse of inciting it is clear what ...


      Come on! I’ve been on a business trip to Kazakhstan for almost a year now and I haven’t seen a single white cop or any director or leader))))
  12. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 13 November 2012 09: 10
    +5
    So the conclusion suggests itself - the fifth column is working! The global task of the West to eliminate Russia is being implemented in all ways. Direct attacks on the Russian ethnos, incl. Hitler's crusade gave no result, rather the opposite. It is also not possible to change its mentality in exchange for Western values. Therefore, by all means and, above all, with the help of local Russophobes, a program is being implemented SIMPLY to reduce the Russian population on the one hand through a hidden, veiled infringement of its rights and hindering its consolidation and development, creating interference with Russians arriving from abroad, and on the other hand, frankly speaking, a "green light" for all other nationalities and in terms of arriving in a new homeland and consolidating and developing these peoples. And all this is covered by statements about the multinationality of Russia. The task of the West is to reduce and dilute the Russian people with other peoples so that they become a minority and their voice is NOT HEARD!
    1. Igor
      Igor 13 November 2012 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: Goldmitro
      The global task of the West to eliminate Russia is being realized by all means.


      They themselves have such problems! So the enemies must be sought elsewhere.
      1. petro
        petro 13 November 2012 09: 50
        0
        Do not bother a person, but how to live without the image of an external enemy, what to write off the burdens of life on.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 13 November 2012 11: 36
          +2
          The enemy is internal, for that matter ...
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 13 November 2012 09: 52
      +12
      Goldmitro
      Quote: Goldmitro
      fifth column is valid

      Excuse me ... what the FUCK fifth, tenth column ??? Which West?
      Putin speaks of tolerance, and at the Victory Day parade on May 9, he very much avoids the phrase "the great RUSSIAN people won." It is the ministry, ITS Ministry of the Federal Migration Service, who advocates the arrival of Gaster-Neruski, and not compatriots: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians.
      In the configured mosques, so what? Yesterday, the news - in (nearby) mosques, in Moscow (!) Wahhabi, terrorist writings, literature are being distributed!

      Will we close our eyes? Believe that this is a single occurrence? And this is Moscow! And what about other regina? We don’t even know until ... obrozsya ... from what happened in the TOTAL.
      West ... do not tell.
      1. Igor
        Igor 13 November 2012 10: 09
        +6
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        May 9, very much avoids the phrase "the great RUSSIAN people won"


        In fairness, it is worth saying that the Soviet people won then.
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 13 November 2012 10: 21
          0
          Igor
          I agree. hi But, nevertheless: 1) in his speech, on May 9, he made a decent cut; 2) the phrase "Russian people" avoids.
          Again hi
    3. Igor
      Igor 13 November 2012 10: 04
      +5
      Quote: Goldmitro
      So the conclusion suggests itself - the fifth column is valid! The global task of the West to eliminate Russia is being realized by all means.


      Here's more:

      New Year tree banned in Brussels so as not to offend Muslims

      It seems that the Belgians will celebrate 2013 without one of the main symbols of the New Year and Christmas - an eternally green Christmas tree. The authorities of Brussels believe that an elegant tree installed on the central square of the city, which is an attribute of a Christian holiday, can offend Muslims, reports The Right Perspective, citing Belgian media.


      The giant Christmas tree that is erected every year at the Grand Place in Brussels will be replaced this time with an "electronic winter tree." It will be a 25-meter structure with a large number of screens. During the day, you can climb it and admire the city panorama, and with the onset of darkness, the installation will turn into "a grandiose show of light and sound that will change every 10 minutes," the city officials say.

      According to local official Bianchi Debaets, electronic sculpture, unlike spruce, has nothing to do with Christianity, which means that its appearance in the center of Brussels will not offend anyone's feelings.

      The thing is that adherents of Islam make up a significant percentage of the population of many Belgian cities. A sociological survey conducted in 2008 showed that 25% of Brussels residents consider themselves Muslims. In addition, in October two politicians were elected to the city council of the capital, declaring their intentions to introduce Sharia law in the country.

      Be that as it may, the residents of Brussels are going to appeal against the decision of the local authorities. December 8, they want to go to the Grand Place with their Christmas trees.

      In addition, not only the main symbol of the New Year, but also the traditional Brussels Christmas market will be banned this year. It will be renamed Winter Pleasures. However, not all Belgian officials are in solidarity with such "festive repertures", so it is possible that the decision to replace the Christmas tree with an electronic installation will be revised, Vesti.ru reports.
      1. sanyabasik
        sanyabasik 13 November 2012 10: 42
        +8
        Quote: Igorek

        New Year tree banned in Brussels so as not to offend Muslims

        f-shit ... I am against such "tolerance" stop
    4. donchepano
      donchepano 13 November 2012 15: 25
      +1
      the Bilderberger program to make indigenous peoples in Russia Indians on their territory. A drunken "Indian" in Russia is a godsend for the conquerors
  13. sergo0000
    sergo0000 13 November 2012 09: 11
    +10
    In our north, no one has been walking without a knife or injury for a long time. Especially young people. Like natives and Russians. In the evening and one at a time I try not to appear on the street!
    After 9 pm, the streets are empty. But cars with "lizginka" from the windows of cars and even with the flags of the national republics are in the order of things! I live in a private house and with an arsenal, but I sincerely sympathize with the townspeople. It's a pity, the whole load on them fell with the education of these Abrekov! What have we left these guys with our friendship of peoples! recourse
    1. mar.tira
      mar.tira 13 November 2012 09: 21
      +11
      Quote: sergo0000
      with your friendship of peoples!

      They (abreks) have long piled on our friendship! Only the old people still remember something good. The same understand only the fear of death and punishment. We are like pigs for them. And the slaves from whom they pump their well-being. And every year it is stronger and stronger manifested. But power behind the Kremlin wall !! She doesn’t see this, she’s safe there. If only they would threaten her like Dudayev’s war. But the people will endure! But I forget that patience is not unlimited. And the murder of Budanov only increased hatred for them! Rare unanimity on the forum. The trouble is because of us has come! Everyone ++++
  14. aleandr
    aleandr 13 November 2012 09: 15
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And today, as I understand it, getting Kyrgyz citizenship of Russia is easier than a Russian who lives in Latvia or elsewhere

    You don’t understand correctly, most illegal immigrants are without passeparts, or bought at best.
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Once again I am convinced that the national minorities of rights in Russia have more rights than we, "the owners of the Russian land."

    Well, where did you see this? Just because they are hired everywhere doesn’t mean that they have more rights, they just have less wages. It’s necessary to blame those who recruit illegal immigrants, that’s the enemy.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 13 November 2012 09: 23
      +3
      Quote: aleandr
      Well, where did you see this? Just because they are hired everywhere doesn’t mean that they have more rights, they just have less wages. It’s necessary to blame those who recruit illegal immigrants, that’s the enemy.

      Subscribe! +
    2. Fox 070
      Fox 070 13 November 2012 09: 52
      +5
      Quote: aleandr
      . It is necessary to blame those who are recruiting illegal immigrants, here are the enemies.

      And they recruit because it is profitable. This is how capitalism "works". These are the elementary laws of business - pay less, sell more. Does it say anywhere here about national identity? NO. And we live by these laws ... hi
      1. Igor
        Igor 13 November 2012 12: 18
        +1
        Quote: Fox 070

        And they are gaining because it is profitable.


        No! Because in most cases this is done so as not to go into the red, due to fees this is especially evident in the construction sector, where kickbacks for construction account for 30-40% of the cost of the object, and if you only hire local and pay them a normal salary, then current prices will rise by another 30-40% am.

        Quote: Fox 070
        This is how capitalism "works".


        This is how bureaucracy works!

        Quote: Fox 070
        Anywhere here says national identity? NO. And by these laws we live ...


        So they live in the whole CIS. For example, in Kazakhstan, food prices are almost identical to Russian, although bread that is made from the highest grade of flour and which is the most expensive costs only 14 rubles. for the bun. hi
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 13 November 2012 12: 46
          0
          Quote: Igorek
          in most cases this is done in order not to go into the red, due to fees

          I say - profitable
          .
          Quote: Igorek
          This is how bureaucracy works!

          Fair, I agree!
          Quote: Igorek
          bread that is made from the highest grade of flour and which is the most expensive costs only 14 rubles. for the bun.

          Here, in Irkutsk, bread is made from 1st grade flour and it costs 20 rubles. for the bun.
  15. djsa1
    djsa1 13 November 2012 09: 20
    0
    Yeah, I recall my region that one activist wanted to turn into Kurdish autonomy, but they did not give thanks to God, and this activist enjoyed the full support of the governor.
  16. arkady149
    arkady149 13 November 2012 09: 28
    +1
    Another "verbal masturbation", beautiful, long, but pointless.
  17. Averias
    Averias 13 November 2012 09: 35
    +7
    A little off topic, but still. Snow fell (a lot) and here I observe such a picture, if not so long ago (or rather, in the fall), on the streets crowds of migrant workers were shallow, the leaves were removed, the fences were washed on the streets, now there are none, none at all. Where it turned out, it turned out - they were deported (although there is no official confirmation), but the fact remains that in the places where they constantly stood for hiring, now there are a few of them. It turns out you can if you want.
    PS I am writing from Tyumen.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 13 November 2012 10: 06
      +4
      Averias,
      Countryman come to us in Surgut or Nizhnevartovsk and find on the streets of sweeping Russians! winked
      Your power works for us; jeeps receive gifts from their diasporas!
      It all depends on the local princes.
      1. Averias
        Averias 13 November 2012 10: 12
        +2
        Thank you for the invitation, I myself have not so long ago moved from Nizhnevartovsk to Tyumen. Now nostalgia is eating. On the account of that, quote: Your power is working for us; jeeps from their diasporas receive gifts. I can’t say anything, because not so long ago I live in Tyumen, just discovering (the fact described by me in the post) was stunned greatly.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 November 2012 10: 16
        +2
        Quote: sergo0000
        Your power works for us; jeeps receive gifts from their diasporas!
        It all depends on the local princes.

        Hi Sergey, no, not everything depends on the local princelings. If our "tsar" hung from time to time some of all kinds of princelings like Serdyukov and the like, there would be no such garbage in the country.
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 13 November 2012 10: 30
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          hung from time to time

          It is desirable to make this procedure permanent and, most importantly, TIMELY, then there would be more sense from it. And the episodic nature of such actions suggests that "everything is possible with their own people."
          1. sergo0000
            sergo0000 13 November 2012 11: 48
            +1
            Greetings Sasha
            Felix!
            To begin with, it is necessary to abolish the elections for the posts of governors of cities and the self-election of deputies of districts, I think. He put a woman in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug as a governor, but there was no sense in her. Local bigwigs ёoyayutsya and ignore it clearly. Because for almost 20 years the same governor has been elected in our city. And almost everything here and everything depends on money. She wants the county’s budget to grow. But it has nothing to do with other issues on the ground. A bee will not trample against honey.
            1. Fox 070
              Fox 070 13 November 2012 12: 49
              +2
              Quote: sergo0000
              . A bee will not trample against honey.

              Hello, Sergey! "+" What can you say? Except that: STILL THIS HEEE !!! am
              1. donchepano
                donchepano 15 November 2012 06: 03
                0
                Fox 070] Quote: sergo0000. The bee will not trample against honey. Hi Sergey! "+" What can you say? Except that: THIS Hive !!!

                Smoke them, smoke how else
  18. petro
    petro 13 November 2012 09: 57
    -4
    In general, it’s a normal and very relevant article. It’s necessary to create all the conditions so that all Russians or someone who is state-of-mind and WHO DO NOT WANT TO LIVE BY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY LIVE, SPEAK ON THE GOVERNMENT OF THE LANGUAGES OF THESE COUNTRIES. Everyone moved to live in Russia . And then it will not be necessary for Russia to protect them, to introduce tanks into the territory of other states., To stuff the minds of simpletons about some kind of geopolitical interests. It will become much calmer to live in peace.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 13 November 2012 10: 16
      +4
      Quote: petro
      It is necessary to create all the conditions so that all Russians or someone who is state-of-the-soul and WHO DO NOT WANT TO LIVE BY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRIES WHERE THEY LIVE, SPEAK IN THE STATE LANGUAGES OF THESE COUNTRIES.

      A striking example of reasoning "Suitcase-station-Russia". After the Russians took care of the "national outskirts", building industry and educating the local population, providing, in addition, the republics with a higher standard of living during the Soviet era, they need to be squeezed out of there, which was observed in the 90s. Or maybe shift the vector towards protecting the rights of Russians in these territories, otherwise the current state of affairs only reduces Russia's influence in the post-Soviet space, and "a holy place is never empty", the resulting niche is filled in the former republics by the influence of the USA, Europe, Turkey, China ... Is it profitable for Russia?
    2. biglow
      biglow 13 November 2012 16: 27
      +3
      petro,
      here you are right, you need to build a 5 meter fence around Galicia and say whatever you want there and look for work there. And the way how to look for work there, Natsik go to the Russian regions and cry, take us to work for us, and then we like you They begin to tell us about the collective farm dialect. Nobody interferes with it, but we will not allow you to impose it on others along with cave nationalism. And we will resist by all means.
  19. Egoza
    Egoza 13 November 2012 10: 25
    +10
    ABOUT! And Petro is from the "suitcase-station-Russia" cohort. The whole trouble is, dear one, that many thousands of Russians, living in Ukraine, having spent decades on its industry, education, medicine, weapons, now receive a meager pension, and simply cannot afford to leave. Unlike those who "perfectly" speak the state language, but at the same time have amassed a fortune for themselves by smuggling, bribes and just robbery. Although, considering that for the first time a neo-Nazi party entered parliament, you will not have long to wait. Let's turn around and leave, even if we are hungry, even in any village, but we will not live with the Nazis. BUT THIS IS _ AT AN EXTREME! In the meantime, we will fight for our RUSSIAN land, and for our NATIVE LANGUAGE! And let us also recall the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic, which was created by the legendary Artem, and Sevastopol, which was and remains the city of Russian sailors, and much more. And Russia will always accept us.
    1. petro
      petro 13 November 2012 11: 11
      -7
      "now they receive a meager pension, and simply cannot afford to leave" --- life is so bad that I don't want to leave. And I mean, only those who do not want to live according to the laws of the countries where they live, this does not apply to normal And no one kicks anyone out - live, but be human, behave normally, do not try to impose your vision of history, what language to speak in Ukraine, what kind of national heroes we should have, that's why they are national. And on account of the "raising" of Ukraine, it was not only the Russians who mastered Siberia for the union, I was in the squadron in Tyumen, I will not say anything about the Ukrainians and the O-Mansi district. I was impressed by the settlements of Estonians, solid, neat against the general background as settlements of Martians .A "for your RUSSIAN land, and for YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE!" fight but in Russia. And in Ukraine it looks like a "fifth column", the whole world despises this.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 13 November 2012 15: 07
        +5
        Quote: petro
        And "for your RUSSIAN land, and for YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE!" fight

        We are fighting for our language on our land. To refresh the history and geography a little, here is a map that has been laid out more than once. So on Russian soil there is a slow process of "galicinization", IMHO. And the 1991 section ... this is a historical misunderstanding ... which in due time will be given a proper historical (and, hopefully, legal) assessment.
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 13 November 2012 11: 22
    +5
    Quote: petro
    what national heroes we should have, then they are national.


    And here, please, specify the surname!
    1. petro
      petro 13 November 2012 14: 41
      -3
      But what is there to clarify, except for the dumb. And everything is simple - for one nation they are national heroes, and for the other enemies. The same Garribaldi is a national hero for Italy, and for France a bandit and rebel. Minin and Pozharsky, who are on the main square --- for you a national hero, and for Poland, robbers who were put on a throne by a liar. Now, for which the question was asked - Bandera, for Ukraine a national hero, but for Poland and Russia this cannot be, so with they fought for what we now have - an independent Ukraine. It came down. By the way, people like you should Bandera and thank you - the only thing that unites Poland and Russia is not Bandera’s recognition.
      1. biglow
        biglow 13 November 2012 16: 20
        +3
        petro,
        praise the Nazi hangers on Galician sites
  21. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 13 November 2012 11: 30
    +2
    Indeed, the funniest thing is that I am Russian in Uzbekistan and who will be in Russia? Nobody, for that matter ...
    1. Igor
      Igor 13 November 2012 14: 11
      +2
      If you have everything going uphill in Russia, then envious people will say that the Uzbeks came here in large numbers)))
    2. donchepano
      donchepano 13 November 2012 16: 54
      0
      Vorobeikin, so you Kyrgyz didn’t understand?
  22. aleksey
    aleksey 13 November 2012 12: 02
    +6
    it is most difficult for Russian and other indigenous peoples to obtain citizenship in Russia, this is a fact
    and how now to react to the cries that the titular nation is drastically reduced, so do something! truly the enemy No. 1 of Russia is her bureaucrat!
    And the Motherland cares so much for its sons and daughters (and their descendants), whom they sent to build, protect, teach and treat on the outskirts of their Empire (and the USSR) ?! Shame on you! When they became tight, she turned away from them, in fact leaving everyone to take care of themselves ..

    why did they remove the nationality of the column, they could solve everything simply (as an option):

    give citizenship (immediately) based on ethnicity - if there is a Russian ancestor, (Tatar, etc.) i.e. that nationality, which in Russia has a national historical territory, region, autonomy, etc. This will exclude both Azerbaijanis and Tajiks, as they have a historical homeland. They should receive citizenship with numerous procedures and without any additional agreements.

    it is clear that our country has its own people, most of them educated specialists ... are not needed
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 13 November 2012 15: 22
      0
      Quote: aleksey
      And the Motherland cares so much for its sons and daughters (and their descendants), whom they sent to build, protect, teach and treat on the outskirts of their Empire (and the USSR) ?! Shame on you! When they became tight, she turned away from them, in fact leaving everyone to take care of themselves ..

      In general, +, but okay, for the majority it's a matter of the past, but without eliminating this mistake, Russia does not take care of itself. An empire, by definition, should have signs of expansive growth, i.e. to grow, and what will give a simple return, a narrowing of the zone of influence, so the resulting vacuum will be filled by other countries, to put it mildly, not at all friendly. At least in Ukraine, we are discussing the issues of the fleet - there is not enough capacity to build a new fleet. And why does not Russia return the Nikolaev Shipyards to its sphere of influence, but needs to drive ships from the Baltic to the Black Sea? Problems with aviation - and the Kiev and Kharkov factories are idle ... There are thousands of such examples. The West aggressively climbs into the cultural and spiritual sphere - for example, the Uniates, who have always been based only in Galicia, are building a cathedral in Kiev! Did Khmelnitsky sweep them with a filthy broom for this? But between the ROC and the Vatican there are agreements on the delimitation of diocesan countries in the zones of their traditional influence, and there is no reaction to such an invasion, except for the sluggish protests of some of the Orthodox Kievites. There are thousands of examples where compatriots "abroad" of Russia will benefit it, only there seems to be no demand for this.
  23. valokordin
    valokordin 13 November 2012 14: 34
    +3
    If we talk about the reconstruction of Great Russia, it is necessary to solve the issue of citizenship simply, to all Slavs from abroad, regardless of their place of birth, according to their application and their desire to live in Russia, grant Russian citizenship, give them citizenship rights accordingly, in other cases, the law can not be changed . Do not give a damn about the cries of experts and democrats.
  24. zavesa01
    zavesa01 13 November 2012 15: 55
    0
    Quote: valokordin
    you need to solve the issue of citizenship simply, to all Slavs from abroad, regardless of their place of birth, upon their application and the desire to live in Russia, grant Russian citizenship,

    Do you know how many Slavs will appear?

    Personally, my opinion is this. Whoever has a USSR passport, for that mercy, I ask you to return to your homeland (Russia). Whoever has no such document will receive citizenship as an example to the Turks. I was born in the USSR but lived with my parents in the CIS country, I'm sorry, but your parents decided everything for you. Hard, probably yes, but effective methods are not always popular.
    1. biglow
      biglow 13 November 2012 17: 17
      +3
      zavesa01,
      why are my children, the same Russian as I can’t have the right to Russian citizenship. This is not right, All Russians must be Russian citizens
    2. Igor
      Igor 14 November 2012 08: 12
      +2
      Quote: zavesa01
      Personally, my opinion is this. Whoever has a USSR passport, for that mercy, I ask you to return to your homeland (Russia). Whoever has no such document will receive citizenship as an example to the Turks. I was born in the USSR but lived with my parents in the CIS country, I'm sorry, but your parents decided everything for you. Hard, probably yes, but effective methods are not always popular.


      Tell me honestly, are you .. from? Young people are attracted all over the world, and you offer to give citizenship only to people who are already retired and people of pre-retirement age))))

      Quote: zavesa01
      I was born in the USSR but lived with my parents in the CIS country, I'm sorry, but your parents decided everything for you.


      And what did the parents decide there? For example, my mother, when she graduated from the medical institute in Tyumen, she was sent to work in the Kazakh SSR and no one cared to put it mildly whether she wanted to go there or not, and my father’s parents were sent to Kazakhstan only for nationality and no one worried that they were only 5 years old at that time.
  25. aleandr
    aleandr 13 November 2012 16: 13
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yesterday they asked, today they already demand, and tomorrow they will take it themselves. It is necessary to evict them from Russia, and not to issue citizenship

    Well, not all are such scoundrels, there are normal people. Each nationality has good and bad. I agree about tightening the law against illegal immigrants, but to drive everyone with a broom indiscriminately, it's somehow ... You might think if we all "blacks" were kicked out, then they would immediately heal prosperously.
  26. biglow
    biglow 13 November 2012 16: 35
    +4
    In fairness, Russia should recognize all Russians living abroad as its citizens, and those who want to grant Russian citizenship and close this issue. All Chinese, Armenians and many others have the second citizenship of their countries of origin and no one pays special attention to one can in the country. living a second passport or not.
    It’s time for Russia to finish all these shamanism and decide that we are all Russian and should calmly go to our homeland and stop being foreigners there
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 13 November 2012 17: 56
      +1
      There are such Russians that in Russia without them only the air is cleaner. They’ll live in the states, pick up their bravery, then they come, fed with burgers, they teach life.
  27. taurus69
    taurus69 13 November 2012 17: 51
    +1
    Officials are the new aristocracy? do not tell my gray-haired people .., this is just the old bureaucracy in a new "capitalist" way, and most of all for them the definition of "pi.dobraty" (I apologize for my French) suits them.
  28. mark021105
    mark021105 13 November 2012 18: 22
    +3
    I’m reading all these comments and I think ... How to be something? I have been living and working in Sochi for 9 years (since 2003). During this time, only in August 2012. received a residence permit. Before citizenship another 5,5 years ... Citizenship - Uzbekistan, Nationality - Korean, in terms of life, culture, etc. - Russian ... AND WHAT TO DO ???
    Quote: aleksey
    it is most difficult for Russian and other indigenous peoples to obtain citizenship in Russia, this is a fact
    and how now to react to the cries that the titular nation is drastically reduced, so do something! truly the enemy No. 1 of Russia is her bureaucrat!
    And the Motherland cares so much for its sons and daughters (and their descendants), whom they sent to build, protect, teach and treat on the outskirts of their Empire (and the USSR) ?! Shame on you! When they became tight, she turned away from them, in fact leaving everyone to take care of themselves ..

    why did they remove the nationality of the column, they could solve everything simply (as an option):

    give citizenship (immediately) based on ethnicity - if there is a Russian ancestor, (Tatar, etc.) i.e. that nationality, which in Russia has a national historical territory, region, autonomy, etc. This will exclude both Azerbaijanis and Tajiks, as they have a historical homeland. They should receive citizenship with numerous procedures and without any additional agreements.

    it is clear that our country has its own people, most of them educated specialists ... are not needed



    Read your comments and think about it ...
    1. Igor
      Igor 14 November 2012 08: 20
      +1
      During this time, only in August 2012. received a residence permit. Before citizenship another 5,5 years ... Citizenship - Uzbekistan, Nationality - Korean, in terms of life, culture, etc. - Russian ... AND WHAT TO DO ???


      Get married fictitiously! I did so, even though I am not Russian by nationality, but German. Only if you have already settled down and you have property make up a marriage contract that your wife does not claim in case of a divorce on your property, otherwise your type wife specifically seize half of your property.
      1. mark021105
        mark021105 15 November 2012 16: 04
        0
        Where am I getting married? Four children, I'm waiting for the fifth ...)))
  29. tan0472
    tan0472 13 November 2012 18: 52
    +2
    If Russia is afraid of an influx of "Central Asians", then the law needs to stipulate that simplified citizenship is received by Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, as well as title nationalities of the Russian Federation. I mean - the Yakuts (since there are Yakutia), the Chechens (since there is Chechnya), the Jews (since there is a Jewish Autonomous Oblast), etc.
    Such a law will allow both "insiders" to be protected and "outsiders" not to be allowed through.
  30. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 13 November 2012 18: 54
    +2
    The national policy of our state does not lend itself to any common sense. The Russian military unit in Armenia: nachfin-Armenians, nachprod-Armenians, nachprod-Armenians, in the fuel and lubricants they too, in the combatant, in the accounting department, in the canteen (Russian officer's wife to work in part it will not suit, everything is occupied by Armenian relatives). There were ensigns-hard workers from Armenians in non-logistic units, but after the 5-day war they were transferred to Russia, and all the "sweet" ones remained. That's it.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 13 November 2012 21: 16
      0
      Tupolev-95] The national policy of our state does not lend itself to any common sense. The Russian military unit in Armenia: nachfin-Armenians, nach food-Armenians, nachvishch-Armenians, in the fuels and lubricants, they too, in combat, in accounting, in the dining room (Russian the officer will not arrange a wife for work in the unit, everything is occupied by Armenian relatives). There were ensigns-hard workers

      WELL ARMENIAN THIS IS A GENERAL SEPARATE TOPIC
  31. zavesa01
    zavesa01 13 November 2012 20: 09
    +1
    Quote: biglow
    why are my children, the same Russian as I can’t have the right to Russian citizenship. This is not right, All Russians must be Russian citizens

    Somehow I always always Belorussians (White Dew) and Ukrainians (At the edge) considered Russian. smile So sorry.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 13 November 2012 21: 13
      0
      [quote = zavesa01] I somehow always Belorussians (White Dew) and Ukrainians (Near the edge) considered Russian.
      DEAR SLAVE