Yevgeny Prigozhin proposed to give 50 years in prison for the "glamorization of the army"

The information discussed in the Russian media that a number of politicians and military leaders drew attention to the hazing of military personnel in the special military operation zone caused a sharply negative reaction from the founder of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin. He wrote a small but capacious post on a social network.

According to Prigozhin, today female military correspondents are at the forefront and get injured, former prisoners fight "better than the guards." Seriously wounded fighters return to duty and pass on their experience to recruits in training camps. Against this background, statements about beards in the army look at least silly.

A bunch of clowns are trying to teach the fighters, exhausted by hard military labor, how many times they should shave and what kind of spirits to meet the higher authorities. I believe that it is necessary to adopt a legislative restriction and severe punishment with a prison term of up to 50 years for the glamorization of the army

- wrote Evgeny Prigogine.

It is difficult to disagree with the conclusion of the founder of the Wagner PMC. The appearance of people who have been fighting for months on the front line is the last thing that should worry military leaders and politicians, especially against the backdrop of obvious problems. The Russian army today has much more important issues that need to be resolved as soon as possible than the length of beards or the use of civilian vehicles that are not on the balance sheet of military units.

But some individuals, even in this situation, are trying to impose orders that, under the current conditions, cannot lead to anything other than to demotivate military personnel. And it's very dangerous. Perhaps the prison sentences for this are too much, but the problem needs to be paid attention, and at the highest level, so that such statements do not interfere with our soldiers defending the interests of the country in the special operation zone.

Comments

[Novik225]

the guys on the front line themselves know better in what form, on what machines and in what shoes and equipment it is more convenient for them to perform tasks. No need to interfere with them.
this is not the time to demand from them statutory hairstyles and statutory appearance.

[Snowfall]

Quote: Novik225

time to demand statutory hairstyles from them

Bys question with a beard. There is a mine-explosive wound of the maxillofacial region, sometimes half of the face is collected in rags. Dirty hair is picked out one at a time, missed - suppuration. There is an aggressive microflora in the trench mud (Pseudomonas aeruginosa, for example), which the beard collects like a vacuum cleaner, and then shell fragments turn all this Scandinavian beauty into a bloody-hairy mess, imprinting deep on the bottom of the wound. Well, the beard on the face burns brightly. So no need for beards in the trenches.

[Novik225]

There is a mine-explosive wound of the maxillofacial region, sometimes half of the face is collected in rags.
well then, this should reach the fighters themselves ... that health is more expensive than show-offs.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Novik225

well then, this should reach the fighters themselves ... that health is more expensive than show-offs.

unfortunately very often understanding comes along with death

[krot]

Yevgeny Prigozhin proposed to give 50 years in prison for the "glamorization of the army"

These are the deputies who at one time supported the form from Yudashkin, in which our military froze and which cost our budget not a penny at all!
And now they want them to shave every day under shelling, and the Sumerians shoot them! Saboteurs and embezzlers! On trial for such initiatives!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

unfortunately very often understanding comes along with death

So you need explanatory to carry out work among the fighters, during a first aid course, for example. And "hold and do not let go" is an archaic method. Modern fighters are not dark peasants and are quite capable of understanding the meaning of certain rules if they have a logical reason. A truly good fighter is taught, not trained.
And you don’t need to rape anyone either, it’s bad for motivation. Whoever decides not to shave off his beard after an accessible explanation of its danger in a combat situation - he already consciously takes this risk, by his own conscious choice, he is an adult "boy" and is responsible for his own decisions.
And in general, the charter must be regularly cleaned of outdated, irrelevant and corny senseless garbage, it slows down the development of the armed forces.

[insafufa]

Quote: Snowfall

Bys question with a beard. There is a mine-explosive wound of the maxillofacial region, sometimes half of the face is collected in rags. Dirty hair is picked out one at a time, missed - suppuration. There is an aggressive microflora in the trench mud (Pseudomonas aeruginosa, for example), which the beard collects like a vacuum cleaner, and then shell fragments turn all this Scandinavian beauty into a bloody-hairy mess, imprinting deep on the bottom of the wound. Well, the beard on the face burns brightly. So no need for beards in the trenches.

Quote: And Us Rat

Whoever decides not to shave off his beard after an accessible explanation of its danger in a combat situation - he already consciously takes this risk, by his own conscious choice, he is an adult "boy" and is responsible for his own decisions.

Well, for starters, I’ll say if the beard is so dangerous then the hair on the head. armpits, pubis and ass are also dangerous; in short, circular depilation of the whole body is needed to facilitate the work of physicians.

Don't talk nonsense

The hair on the ass that you wipe with paper remains there, feces, it’s not how not to remove it here, a mine explosive wound of the fifth point, it must be collected in parts, sepsis gangrene deletion.
Before the operation, I had to shave my entire belly and back, the procedure is not pleasant, I’ll tell you So it's a common operation. My colleague was wounded in the armpit by a shrapnel from VOG 25, so his face was smooth-shaven, and under the armpits the jungle, as a result of three operations, was not from the fact that a particle of a tampon was forgotten during the operation.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Novik225

well then, this should reach the fighters themselves ... that health is more expensive than show-offs.

There are not only show-offs, but also religious requirements often.

[insafufa]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

but also religious requirements often.

As for the religious, I agree, but for the time being, warriors are allowed by Islam to have a beard of such a length that the enemy could not grab it, this is called the sunnah and, depending on the circumstances, for peacetime, one for the warrior is another. My friend the Imam from Samara died on New Year's Eve in Maryinka, recently he was buried by another of our young Imams, he died near Kherson, they studied abroad in Egypt, they were called, they did not mow, they went to war along with their parishioners. So our community is losing the best in this war.

[Sergei Fonov]

Everything happens, there are statistics of injuries, and this should be guided by.

[Klausp]

That's an argument, that's an argument! Direct argument! Especially about gas masks it delivers, they say they won’t be able to put it on - the fit is not provided. I answer in full.
1. A wound in the area of ​​​​a face overgrown with a beard is no different in sepsis from a smooth-shaven and perfumed by Oldspice.
2. Where did you see these gas masks there? And if there is a threat and intelligence does not miss it, then there will be gas masks and shaved faces (cropped beards).

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: KlausP

The wound in the area of ​​the face, overgrown with a beard, is no different in sepsis from a smooth-shaven and perfumed by Oldspice.

what are you, right?!!!!!
have you ever had surgery?

Quote: KlausP

Where did you see these gas masks there?

well, this is definitely an argument, I would even say ARGUMENT

[stankow]

And bandage your jaw with a beard? Leave it under a bandage?

[Egeny]

You are right, but ...
A beard for a Muslim is a tradition - fitra. Shaving your beard on command is an insult.
The Messenger of God said: “Shave your mustache and grow your beard” (hadith from Ibn Umar). The same hadeeth from Abu Hurayrah says: “Cut off your mustache and grow your beard.
It is not for nothing that many actions associated with a beard are considered a serious insult among adherents of Islam. Muslims are kind to the beard and carefully look after it, well ... unlike some of our fighters.)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote from Egeni

A beard for a Muslim is a tradition - fitra. Shaving your beard on command is an insult.
The Messenger of God said: “Shave your mustache and grow your beard” (hadith from Ibn Umar). The same hadeeth from Abu Hurayrah says: “Cut off your mustache and grow your beard.

If this trip requires him to shave off his beard because he is required to go to a place where wearing a beard is forbidden, or he will be mistreated because of his beard and cannot bear it, then Shaykh Ibn Jibrin said about such a case us:



If he has no choice but to go to this country, or if his trip is to strengthen the Muslims, then there is no sin on him that he shaves off his beard. But if he goes there only because of some worldly needs, or if he can bear the mistreatment he will be subjected to, then it is not permissible for him to shave off his beard.

[Egeny]

"If he has no choice" - this is when you are with a noose around your neck, and so ... there is always a choice, Another thing is that our fighters are not on a walk and not in beauty salons and different boutiques, but, as it were, on the front line, where death is near. The charter is sacred, only this "general" staff would have more brains, otherwise God's spark in a head stuffed with sawdust is especially dangerous.

[Tim]

The question of a beard in the trenches ????, nothing to wash or shave, just there was not enough water to drink, I had to go without a bath for 1 month or more. In a plastic bottle, water was diluted with potassium permanganate and washed away.

[insafufa]

Quote: Tima

In a plastic bottle, water was diluted with potassium permanganate and washed away.

Well, you and the majors had potassium permanganate. We disinfected and washed with ordinary bleach, since it was in bulk. The guys drank water from the puddles. My fellow countryman, a businessman, is engaged in the manufacture of wagons, sent a mobile bath for fellow countrymen to the NWO, now we are waiting for feedback from fellow countrymen. It turned out that we do not produce packages with a membrane for water purification, all imported from Southeast Asia. In principle, a very necessary thing for soldiers.

[seacap]

Again, lice and scabies, various eczema and lichen, tb. in the absence of adequate care.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: seacap

Again, lice and scabies, various eczema and lichen, tb. in the absence of the possibility complete care.

They did not guess to require the use of lipstick from crackling in the cold and indicate its color depending on the rank.

[Zamira]

Quote: Snowfall

Well, the beard on the face burns brightly. So no need for beards in the trenches.

Perhaps I agree. Even in a banal yard fight, long hair is a strong trump card in the hands of the enemy. But in a yard fight, in most cases, killing the enemy is not expected.
Only that general, who didn’t like someone’s beards, should have explained it in this way, and not nod tiredly. Although ... - after all, the charter is not written from scratch - after all, there are some "causal" relationships :)

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Zamira

no enemy is expected.
Only that general, who didn’t like someone’s beards, should have explained it in this way, and not nod tiredly. Although ... - after all, the charter is not written from scratch - after all, there are some "causal" relationships :)

It’s just that that general is visible, apart from the parade ground, life according to the charter and the search for dirt where it will always be found, he doesn’t know a damn thing, therefore he is fixated on this. Remember the dissatisfaction with the activities of the mobilized, whose leader, apart from the parade ground and all this, could not teach them anything, or did not know and, accordingly, did not know how to give them what they really needed. These are from the same batch.

[Apprentice_SAM]

Only that general, who didn’t like someone’s beards, should have explained it in this way, and not nod tiredly.

"The general once told me:
The beard harms you, warrior!
Who argues with him - what a star,
And I like my Beard!" (almost cit.)

Although ... - after all, the charter is not written from scratch - after all, there are some "causal" relationships :)

"A foreigner turned in winter:
Hey comrade, why with a beard?
And I explain to him when it's cold here:
The Beard warms in the cold!" (c)

[NetKeys]

And Count Levnikolaich Tolstoy
After all, he also walked with a long
Beard!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Zamira

the charter is not written from scratch - there are some "causally-investigative "connections :)

"Cause" has several meanings.

[23424636]

Quote: Snowfall

Quote: Novik225

time to demand statutory hairstyles from them

Bys question with a beard. There is a mine-explosive wound of the maxillofacial region, sometimes half of the face is collected in rags. Dirty hair is picked out one at a time, missed - suppuration. There is an aggressive microflora in the trench mud (Pseudomonas aeruginosa, for example), which the beard collects like a vacuum cleaner, and then shell fragments turn all this Scandinavian beauty into a bloody-hairy mess, imprinting deep on the bottom of the wound. Well, the beard on the face burns brightly. So no need for beards in the trenches.

comrade whore-faced (beardless), listen, the Russian troops represented by the Great Don Army always wore beards and mustaches and did not bother with the Pseudomonas aeruginosa. And if you are afraid to look like a Russian peasant with a beard, then shave it, but do not be stubborn with your conclusions for everyone.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

About the Cossacks and the original Russian Christ-loving wars surfaced. And what are these great Cossacks sitting in the rear? Or is it not as scary to wear stripes and eat prude to the cries of "Lyuba!!!" as to defend the Motherland? It was always amazing - they hung themselves with "georgies" and flaunted. How? Unclear.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Novik225

this is not the time to demand from them statutory hairstyles and statutory appearance.

yes, in general, cancel charters as harmful, it was already in history

Quote: Novik225

the guys on the front line themselves know better in what form, on what machines and in what shoes and equipment it is more convenient for them to perform tasks. No need to interfere with them.

it's so cute

and I would also force a gas mask to be worn regularly on a bearded physique

[Alekseev]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

cancel the charters as harmful, it was already in history

Yes, charters are written in blood, and not by the wishes of individuals, another thing is that "do not hold on to the charter, like a blind wall, but act with understanding."
In the matter of uniforms and equipment, no one requires a "ceremonial" appearance, in the matter of maintaining military discipline, statutory penalties and incentives alone are clearly indispensable, in the matter of sanitation, which includes beards, shoulder-length hair, etc. it is necessary that they do not interfere, there is no harm to health, and that's all. During the Second World War, there was no fashion for beards and they were not worn, although the living conditions were no less severe.
Also private cars. For business, and not to go for vodka, in a battalion (not in a shooter’s or machine gunner’s squad) they can probably be used, but it’s better to transfer parts of it, even for a fee. A soldier does not need extra property ...

[ABC-schutze]

Are you serious?..

Just in case, - to you and Prigozhin, - the basis of ANY REGULAR ARMY (and not any kind of "paramilitary formations", albeit extremely patriotically motivated and having combat experience) is MILITARY (namely MILITARY) DISCIPLINE, and not "kid" rules. AND UNITY...

No, this means NO REGULAR ARMY ...

And problems here, ie. In my opinion, there are NO “non-standard” tasks that cannot be solved at all. Even in the context of the ongoing NWO ...

For the Russian army, just in case, is far from fighting "for the first time." And far from ONE CENTURY ...

And ALREADY a long time ago, the LOGISTIC SUPPORT service was designed to solve such issues. And the fact that IT IS SHE, in the modern armed forces of Russia, DUE TO THE DIRECT NEGLECT OF THE TOP MILITARY LEADERSHIP, turned out to be UNREADY and UNABLE to solve these problems, even within the framework of the launched, large-scale NWO (thank God, not a large-scale war), does not mean at all that ARMY discipline, of which an integral part is COMPLIANCE WITH THE ESTABLISHED FORM OF CLOTHING FOR MILITARY PERSONNEL (the rest, all volunteers who are on self-sufficiency and provision of volunteers, of course, does not apply) and the RULES OF WEARING IT. Also, GORGEOUS APPEARANCE.

For this, from the personnel of units and subunits IN BATTLE and SEPARATED from LOGISTICS, of course, to demand a "ceremonial" appearance, as in preparation for a drill review, is STUPID ...

As well as "forbidding" the use of captured weapons by personnel, and weapons and military equipment, including "civilian" or "converted" vehicles ...

But the waters, upon EXIT from the battle, to the rear, for rest, understaffing or re-formation, the LOGO SERVICE IS OBLIGED TO PROVIDE ALL THE CONDITIONS FOR THE PERSONNEL, for REST and bringing its appearance into the statutory order. That is, to provide washing, drying (and, if necessary, the replacement of uniforms, moreover, FOR NEW, and not for BU), shoes, a bath once a week and a daily shower, the possibility of cutting and shaving. Even if military personnel are allowed to wear beards and mustaches (say, for religious reasons), they should not be "unsanitary" in appearance.

In short, the ARMY LOGO SHOULD BE URGENTLY and TOTALLY "put in order," At least, for now, only to provide personnel in the NWO zone and MOBILIZED into the Russian ARMED FORCES. And not army discipline, in the park, "cancel" ...

By the way, just in case...

AT THE ENEMY, ANY "military commander" (representatives of all kinds of "news agencies" and private reporters there are no less than in Russia) appears in the combat zone, in ANY SECTION OF IT, ONLY with the PERMISSION OF THE MILITARY COMMAND. And he publishes his materials or sends them to the editors ONLY through the channels provided by the MILITARY COMMAND. After a PRELIMINARY INTRODUCTION of the press officers appointed by the command, their content ...

For the same States and their NATO tobaccos, EXACTLY SO it has been since the time of the aggression against Iraq in 2003, AS MINIMUM.

AND IT IS RIGHT...

[isv000]

Quote: Novik225

the guys on the front line themselves know better in what form, on what machines and in what shoes and equipment it is more convenient for them to perform tasks. No need to interfere with them.
this is not the time to demand from them statutory hairstyles and statutory appearance.

General Sobolev is a typical general in terms of seniority: growl, glare so that the grass is painted and the snow is in cubes. I didn’t even forget to run into Chechnya, for a “participant”, before flowing like a sheep into a state fool ...

[pharmacist]

Rokossovsky received a fragment in the battle for Moscow, with which he lived for the rest of his life. And our "combat" generals do not even appear on the front line. Hence such crazy ideas - as a result of incompetence and mediocrity. Prigogine's idea is unrealistic, but the train of thought is correct.

[Woodman]

Quote from Pharmacist

Rokossovsky received a fragment in the battle for Moscow

And several Russian generals died during the SVO.

[dmi.pris1]

I don’t think that if one of those generals who died (bless their memory) would be alive. And he would never petty find fault with his appearance. These people died at the front, and not at the headquarters in the rear. Five dead, seems..

[isv000]

Quote: Lesovik

Quote from Pharmacist

Rokossovsky received a fragment in the battle for Moscow

And several Russian generals died during the SVO.

film "Battalions ask for fire": ...And what is it that your generals began to attack?! Forty-first remembered?!!...
The attack, by the way, was during the storming of Kyiv ...

[dmi.pris1]

I agree that this is the inadequacy of the stripes. But let's remember the Great Patriotic War. The soldiers regularly took a bath, maintained their appearance ... It didn’t always work out, but it happened. What prevents now to maintain the appearance without kicks and moronic directives?

[Apprentice_SAM]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

I agree that this is the inadequacy of the stripes. But let's remember the Great Patriotic War. The soldiers regularly took a bath, maintained their appearance ... It didn’t always work out, but it happened. What prevents now to maintain the appearance without kicks and moronic directives?

"Partisan beard" Leonid Utyosov.

Either reconnaissance or ambush.
"Get a haircut - when should I shave?"
inevitable annoyance
Partisan beard!
"Beard, my beard
What have you grown up to?"
Used to be called a brush
They say now - a broom.

I shoot accurately at the enemy
And they call me in the ranks,
Tolya grandfather, then grandfather,
For my beard.
But everywhere fighting
To the bearded shooter
And hello, as a young man,
And honor, like an old man!

I'm not sad, not sad,
What the team says:
"That's so little devil-child,
Young, but bearded!"
Only one makes me sad
Little trouble:
Partisan medals
Closes the beard!

Chorus:
Boy I'm young
And I go with a beard!
I don't worry
Let it grow to the waist.
That's when we drive the Fritz,
There will be time, we will shave,
Wash - shave, dress up,
Kiss with sweetie!

[-Paul-]

What prevents now to maintain the appearance without kicks and moronic directives?

Lack of rear service.

[isv000]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

I agree that this is the inadequacy of the stripes. But let's remember the Great Patriotic War. The soldiers regularly took a bath, maintained their appearance ... It didn’t always work out, but it happened. What prevents now to maintain the appearance without kicks and moronic directives?

In a free minute, the guys would sleep a bit ...

[DMFalke]

Well, here are the people in the photo. They fought in comparable, and even more difficult conditions. Where is the beard?

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Here one has already written that the pictures from the front are staged. Correct only when the Germans filmed our prisoners. That's how our soldiers were - dirty, ragged, lousy and with fear in their eyes.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

That's the question I've always asked myself. Why won't you wash until you hit a fighter in the face? Will not erase the form? Will you clean your boots? Even if you have everything you could wish for while living in the barracks? I dont know.

[nobody75]

Powder is not gunpowder, buckles are not guns, a scythe is not a cleaver, and I am not a German, but a natural hare!

A In Suvorov
Sincerely

[not the one]

I absolutely agree with Alexander Vasilyevich!

[Grandfather]

Yevgeny Prigozhin proposed to give 50 years in prison for the "glamorization of the army"

and how can you disagree? as ? when "SUVs" climb with a polished snout to teach "comfreys". a colony, I think it’s wasteful, why should I also feed them? to the "front" of them .. to the "stormtroopers".

[Plate]

Quote: Dead Day

and how can you disagree?

Yes, very easy. If they give you stupid advice, then just ignore it. Well, you can send advisers to one well-known plant. But plant them, and even for such a long time? Maybe we will send husbands all over Russia to prison if they give unsolicited cooking advice to their wives? Well, this is for example.

[Il'nur]

Bunch of clowns trying to teach

We need to send this bunch to the front line for 6 months, let them show by personal example how and how much to shave ....

[isv000]

Quote: Ilnur

Bunch of clowns trying to teach

We need to send this bunch to the front line for 6 months, let them show by personal example how and how much to shave ....

Rogozin has not recovered yet? In his sect "Royal Dogs" ready replenishment ...

[sergo1914]

So what? Open a barbershop with SPA procedures at each unit. The generals will love it. They will come to check more often. Enjoy innovation. Maybe even someone will get a medal. Or an order.

[Grandfather]

Quote: sergo1914

So what? Open a barbershop with SPA procedures at each unit. The generals will love it. They will come to check more often. Enjoy innovation. Maybe even someone will get a medal. Or an order.

for "blackjack and whores".

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: sergo1914

u what? Open barbershop at each division

stupid to say the least

[taiga2018]

Here is an example of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who found an opportunity to put themselves in order, and did not go overgrown. Or does someone think that the intensity of the fighting was then lower?

[JonnyT]

Photos from the rest in the rear, where the probability of an art raid is extremely low.
Our grandfathers didn’t shave and didn’t wash much at the battlefields - since there was no time, they would have to survive, and, of course, superstition.
Yes, it was believed that if you washed and shaved before a possible attack, you would die

Let the soldiers be taken to the rear, where there are all conditions for a comfortable and safe life for rest, training, re-equipment - there they will put themselves in order, in a neat appearance.
In the trenches on the front, no one will do this, sometimes they won’t go to the toilet because of the bombing, because of constant fear, and the generals want to force them to shave, while not providing security and conditions

[Sebostyuan]

"But the generals want to force them to shave, while they do not provide security and conditions"

Drinking water is not provided.
And it so happened that the problem of lack of water, communications, equipment, uncut communications of the enemy - the Duma generals are not interested. All this is of no interest to them. And I'm wondering what this defense committee is doing. Judging by the statements, he writes new marching songs, decides which side to sew the tag on and how many threads should be in the hat.

[Fedor1]

and I heard this from our grandfathers: “I didn’t take off my tunic for four years, I didn’t unfasten my belt for four years,” a connoisseur of grandfathers?

[Romanenko]

As Denis Davydov said - A staff member in a detachment is a bad omen ....

[I dare to_notice_]

It's hard to argue with common sense.
It is useless to argue with the Charter.
Output?
Make changes to the bylaws.

[Grandfather]

Quote: I dare_notice_

It's hard to argue with common sense.
It is useless to argue with the Charter.
Output?
Make changes to the bylaws.

Yeah ... it's easier to change the constitution than the Charter. it's all "reinforced concrete".

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It should be smart not to require compliance with the Charter of the internal service in the external SVO. When the hostilities are over, it is possible to return to peacetime orders.
And who should amend the statutes? Prigogine has no such powers.

[Nikolay310]

in my opinion, my uncle frankly suffered ... show-offs, as if Wagner took at least Kharkov, or even Kyiv ...

statements about beards look stupid, I agree ... just like statements about female military commissars ... therefore, it makes no sense to procrastinate the same thing for several days ... Sobolev now has nothing to do with the army. And they should be responsible for its problems those who brought her there now ... but for now, for these characters, the worst punishment is the transfer to another place of service ... one of them was exiled to Syria, where he happily again took up parades and marches ... and Bulgakov, who "lost" 1,5 million sets, somehow did not suffer ...

and the fact that the prisoners ALLEGEDLY fight better than the "guards" ... well, firstly, far from all the guards, no need to generalize ... these same guards took Mariupol, for example, which is many times larger than the "zek" Soledar, defended Kherson direction, at the very least they were in Gostomel, and other suburbs of Kyiv, until they were betrayed by a "gesture of good will" ... (probably also Sobolev ???)

this is in addition to those Donbass men who held the front for 8 years without a hundredth of what the Prigozhinites have, and even with idiotic instructions not to succumb to provocations and comply with the idiotic Minsk agreements ...

not to mention the nonsense that he was talking about Stalingrad ... maybe, of course, Prigozhin knows about the hero city only from Bondarchuk Jr. and that everyone fought there for Katya, but in real history the city and the units defending it are including endured a terrifying air raid on August 23, 42nd Goa, when in a matter of hours the Nazis made SIXTHEN SIX HUNDRED sorties on the city ...

For the attack on Stalingrad, the 6th field army (commander F. Paulus) was allocated. It included 14 divisions, which numbered about 270 thousand people, 3 thousand guns and mortars and about 700 tanks ... At the beginning of hostilities on the near approaches to Stalingrad, German strike groups were supported by up to 1 thousand aircraft and held dominance in air.

WHAT OF THIS WAS UKROV in Soledar???

did Senka put on his hat on his own ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: Nikolay310

between the preparation of the army and endless parades, photo reports, exhibitions and competitions of cooks chose the second ???

and "biathlon"? how are we today without him ....

[seacap]

Yes, and preparations for the parade, it's time to start soon.

[sergo1914]

Quote: Dead Day

Quote: Nikolay310

between the preparation of the army and endless parades, photo reports, exhibitions and competitions of cooks chose the second ???

and "biathlon"? how are we today without him ....

I propose to take the initiative. In addition to the tank biathlon, conduct a naval biathlon and a biathlon of the nuclear triad.

[Grandfather]

WHAT OF THIS WAS UKROV in Soledar???

maybe American satellites, and guidance systems, plus a "counter battery", "wiretapping" communications, no?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Nikolay310

Bulgakov, who "lost" 1,5 million sets, somehow did not suffer ..

Nothing is lost. Everything is sold in equipment stores and on Avito. Well, some "patriotic individuals" are pumping in their channels the OBLIGATORY purchase of all this by the mobilized. Like, if you don't buy it, you'll be in positions with a bare booty. That is, there is nothing left in the army? And the icing on the cake - buy an LGBT finca. It rushes from both sides. Even Shariy noted. Well, that's okay. He can. What about "patriots"? In share? Oh, and on the fees to conduct an audit. This is an oil painting...

[tihonmarine]

Maybe prison sentences for this are too much, but you need to pay attention to the problem, and at the highest level

That's why Prigogine wrote about 50 years in prison, the authorities will certainly answer these words, otherwise they write so many articles, blogs, websites and no reaction.

[Sergey_52]

Disagree. Not 50 years in a colony, but immediately to the front line: clean and shaven...

[UAZ 452]

I would consider the wording "for trying to hold a parade", even in peacetime, to be synonymous with treason. Well, for an attempt to conduct a military review in the front-line region, 50 years is a lot, of course, but 2-3 years of general regime, or better a year of disbat, in the rank of private - that’s it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

What is "glamour"?
for the sake of truth, this is no longer funny, then we find out on the pages of the media who took what, now here is the appearance, or maybe it's time to stop ?!

[Woodman]

for "glamorizing the army"

However, the appearance of a fighter should not resemble the appearance of an overgrown bum.

[nobody75]

Do you want to pick up those numerous skills that the "tactical beard" gives?
Sincerely

[Woodman]

Quote: nobody75

Do you want to pick up

No. I don't want to take. I don't need someone else.

[UAZ 452]

However, before demanding this very appearance from the fighters, they must be provided with the conditions for this. Nothing more than what has long been described in the charters and manuals on logistics. But it is easier to demand from subordinates than to bosses with big stars to fulfill their direct duties.

[forty-eighth]

Machine, soap, half a pot of water, five minutes of time.

[Woodman]

Quote: UAZ 452

before demanding this very appearance from the fighters, they must be provided with the conditions for this. Nothing more than what has long been described in the charters and manuals on logistics

Somewhere it is said that "appearance" was required from fighters who do not have razors and soap?
In my purely personal opinion, the topic of a damned egg is not worth it. It’s just that individual blochers stupidly catch the hype on someone’s paid, competent stuffing.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

I took the machine, soap, poured a glass of water and shave yourself. Checked personally in Chechnya in winter. Why is a vodyara always found, but they can't wash their faces? By the way, they never showed a bearded Wagnerian. Yes, and Prigogine himself is fresh, washed, shaved and dressed to the nines, already crunches. Let him walk as he thinks a front-line soldier should look like - dirty, bearded, smelly, ragged and lousy

[taiga2018]

I don’t know how about PMCs and various volunteer formations, especially from Muslim regions, but there should be order in regular units. I look at photos from the times of the Second World War and I don’t see bearded soldiers and officers on any of them. Or maybe our soldiers went overgrown in Afghanistan? Of course, nothing can be solved here with a pointer, there should be education, but you can put yourself in order in any situation, there would be a desire.

[Li17]

Quote: taiga2018

You can put yourself in order in any situation, there would be a desire.

My grandfather, a front-line soldier, said that they even shaved with glass fragments! And now, for such a thing, you can be subjected to mockery of a soldier!

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

For whom are soldiers, and for whom are warriors. And trying to belittle and humiliate them is somehow strange.

[UAZ 452]

Or maybe we will finally begin to be proud not of the fact that soldiers shave with a piece of glass, but of the fact that these soldiers have everything to wash, shave, stretch normally, adjusted, of course, for field conditions?

[Li17]

Quote: UAZ 452

Or maybe we will finally begin to be proud not of the fact that soldiers shave with a piece of glass, but of the fact that these soldiers have everything to wash, shave, stretch normally, adjusted, of course, for field conditions?

Copied what I wrote earlier. I think you will understand.
You know, the question is that everyone is waiting for who will deal with the fighter. Even if everything is nearby, figs will force you to put it in order ... I seem to have signalmen, somehow better, but there were still individuals ... Here are my cases. Khankala, united warehouse, next to the bath-laundry train. A sergeant is standing near the warehouse, black with dirt, chewing a biscuit. Nice guy, he introduced himself. The question is when I washed ... - I don’t know! Okay, he has time for a day, the column will not go into the night, let's go to the checkpoint with the team, I will say, they will wash and wash. Refused!
And this is generally 474 obmos in Khankala. I went to check the signalers, there were about a dozen double basses in the tent, grown men. The homeless man is resting! Dirt, themselves dirty, the bed is something. There is a warehouse of linen nearby, change at least every hour, at least pour water, and then get out ... I drove for a week, brought to my senses, came back a week later, guess what I saw? And that's basically the case everywhere. The conclusion is simple, where we live there and shit, if you give us something, we will continue to spoil everything! I still remember the song that the special forces bawled, like, let's take the height and spoil it (in a different way, but I look at VO, I decided to move culture) to the ground! Let them tell you better that there are mountains of garbage around the tents ... Oh, yes, I forced my men to take water in the convoy. No one wants to take bottles of water and shove them ... forced by force, they don’t know how, and where to buy bottles, but there are heaps nearby! Wash your hands to wash, I belittle you, bad form! So let the respected warrior also not really cry here about the mess in relation to them! Walk around your yards and plantings, throwing garbage out the window is the norm! Worse than us are only Asians, Africans and Indians. And in this respect it is a shame for our man abroad!

[Woodman]

Quote: taiga2018

I look at photos from the time of the Second World War and I don’t see bearded soldiers and officers in any of them. For partisans, yes, but not for soldiers and officers. Or maybe our soldiers went overgrown in Afghanistan?

"You don't understand. It's different."
Now, if tomorrow, for example, Skomorokhov writes about the need for fighters to shave, then these same commentators will change their clothes before they finish reading the article and brand Prigozhin, as was the case after the news about the recruitment of prisoners ..

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: taiga2018

I look at photos from the times of the Second World War and I don’t see bearded soldiers and officers on any of them.

But didn’t you think that at that time, a “photo shoot” was a mega-event, for which you specially put yourself in order, and just a photo not “from the needle” of a fighter, could not pass the censorship?

[DMFalke]

I don't like "Soviet bloody censorship", look at the pictures of captured Soviet soldiers, the Germans hardly arranged photo shoots to improve the appearance of the Red Army.

[antiquity]

Quote: sergo1914

Open barbershop at each division

Normal people go to the hairdresser. In the barbershop - trendy rainbow

[opposite28]

Use before organizing an ambush and guerrilla operations in general ...

[Sanya Terek]

Quote: nobody75

Powder is not gunpowder, buckles are not guns, a scythe is not a cleaver, and I am not a German, but a natural hare!

A In Suvorov
Sincerely

The same A.V. Suvorov in his work "The Regimental Establishment" Chapter III "On Decoration and Cleanliness" § 1 "How to do this", paragraph 15 instructed: "Granoderm mustaches should be full, cut between the upper and lower lips, ... Everyone has a beard always clean-shaven." There is also about needles and threads and much more.

[nobody75]

Grenadiers are not attack aircraft and not motorized rifles!
"A soldier's suit should be like this - got up and ready."
Sincerely

[Li17]

Well, it certainly is right in the top ten! It remains to be defined what is glamour! Bright outfits in the form of a uniform (I still can’t understand the office uniform) and a bunch of medals for cadets for passing exams? And the observance of "beauty" at the forefront? Quiet time? Year of "service"? Heroization of the Rogozins and company? Prigozhin is a straight and clear man, and together with Akhmad they do not work glamorously, and he has the same uniform as the tunics of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, but still something tells me ... it’s not for nothing that Konoshenkov did not report cheerfully about him at one time! Oh, and will soon receive the main caliber!

[seacap]

This is not his competence, he can only express his personal opinion. The possession of a PMC and "proximity to the body" does not make him a statesman, an official, and so on. a military expert and the head of everything and everything, otherwise "these effective managers" are already starting to drift and they are losing their shores, while the "owner" on TV controls the country, .. chickens dance ...
Issues of appearance, observance of the form of clothing are stipulated in the Charters and Instructions, written in blood and the centuries-old experience of the Russian army. Where one of the duties of a commander is clauses obliging commanders of any rank to strictly demand from their subordinates the observance of personal hygiene rules, a neat appearance, the integrity and safety of equipment and weapons, etc. etc. This is not only a matter of maintaining discipline, but, above all, a matter of maintaining health, eliminating epidemics, which means taking care of the combat readiness of the entrusted unit. I personally know how difficult it is in combat, and so on. in winter conditions, fight pediculosis and scabies, various fungal diseases, which are a scourge in such conditions and “mow down” fighters, making them partially or completely uncombat-ready worse than machine guns.

[evgen1221]

Demand, demand, demand, and blah blah blah. And what then do these demanders completely forget about their DUTIES? They don't have to provide anything - at least water, a razor, a mirror. And if the army goes to these figures to demand diapers, is that enough?

[Sergey Drozdov]

Well, here Prigogine is wrong: as you know, the ideal that we have been striving for for 30 years now is the time of Nicholas 2, and under him in the First World War our soldiers did not have helmets, although the death rate from head wounds was 25%. And all this for an aesthetic reason: Kolya believed that soldiers in helmets at parades would not look dashing and brave enough ... they began to buy (import is another of our traditions) in small batches in 1916, but it was too late ...

[Rosemary]

The ship charter of the USSR Navy did not prohibit crew members from having a beard. And now it is not prohibited.
The chapter "Preservation and promotion of health" (paragraph 531) of the Ship Charter of the Russian Navy, as amended on July 31, 2022, states: "military hairstyle, mustache, beard, if present, must be neat, hygienic and not interfere with the use of personal protective equipment and the wearing of equipment"

In practice, in the Soviet Navy, military sailors were allowed to let go of their beards only for the time they were at sea, and upon return they were forced to shave off (the exception is if there are scars on the face).

[Woodman]

Quote: Rosemary

The ship charter of the USSR Navy did not prohibit crew members from having a beard. And now it is not prohibited.

Submarine in the steppes of Ukraine

?

[yuriy1863]

Beards in the navy were more likely not banned than allowed. The mustache is actually an unwritten tradition. The issue of a beard in a trench and a dugout is most likely an indicator of the quality of logistics support. And the fact that "border and paint" principles began to be applied in the 11th month of the war once again confirms the presence of a number of heterogeneous problems in the RF Armed Forces.

[Uprun]

How much nonsense in the comments, the campaign at the front is all right, since the people began to "worry" about the appearance in the trenches, no one has yet suggested that a morning inspection be carried out before breakfast, handkerchiefs, a comb to check whether the collar is freshly hemmed. Guys fight every day in the mud, cold, and here they look .... The topic is debility, however, like most of the comments ....

[evgen1221]

Lord, nafig still produce laws. It is enough to say Stalin's words to Khrushchev, calm down, give perfume and unicorns to everyone in the trenches.

[Petr_Koldunov]

I believe that the golden mean is good everywhere!
It is absolutely impossible to completely cancel the norms of the UVS and SU even at the front (the charters of the Red Army were in effect even in the partisan formations of Kovpak, Saburov and other large partisan detachments!) - otherwise the army will turn into a gang of pan-ataman Gritsko Tauride.
But to bring to insanity the measurement of millimeters on shoulder straps and buttonholes, edging along a thread and other crap caused by outright idleness in the rear, caused by frank idleness in the rear, is, of course, unacceptable and unviable in combat units!

[Gvardeetz77]

The appearance of people who have been fighting for more than one month on the front line is the last thing that should worry military leaders and politicians

Well, of course, not the last, but in priority, but do not ask for him, like "tear and dry", but PROVIDE!.

[Fedor1]

I wonder how you can provide a hot water tap in a trench (jacuzzi) or dugout, when you even have to take drinking water from puddles and swamps so as not to die from dehydration

[VladMirU]

Quote: Zamira

Quote: Snowfall

Well, the beard on the face burns brightly. So no need for beards in the trenches.

Perhaps I agree. Even in a banal yard fight, long hair is a strong trump card in the hands of the enemy. But in a yard fight, in most cases, killing the enemy is not expected.
Only that general, who didn’t like someone’s beards, should have explained it in this way, and not nod tiredly. Although ... - after all, the charter is not written from scratch - after all, there are some "causal" relationships :)

This question should have been put in the military registration and enlistment office during the call. I also understand - contractors, all requirements are spelled out in the Contract. He knows ahead of time. And if this is a volunteer with a beard - does it mean a civilian? So he will return home. And who will fight? MO, that, has a great choice at this incomprehensible time. Capitalism however... It's not that simple. We have not yet tried to carry out a full mobilization ... Now the mess will begin. Horseradish (plant) MO and Putin will cope with such a mess. It is unlikely that the plan will be fulfilled. And not only that, you can still run into a riot. In vain now these "parquet generals" are puffing up. Now is not the time, if Russia would survive. But it is necessary to teach l / s in peacetime, but they blew it.

[VladMirU]

Quote: ABC-schütze

Are you serious?..

Just in case, - to you and Prigozhin, - the basis of ANY REGULAR ARMY (and not any kind of "paramilitary formations", albeit extremely patriotically motivated and having combat experience) is MILITARY (namely MILITARY) DISCIPLINE, and not "kid" rules. AND UNITY...

No, this means NO REGULAR ARMY ...

And problems here, ie. In my opinion, there are NO “non-standard” tasks that cannot be solved at all. Even in the context of the ongoing NWO ...

For the Russian army, just in case, is far from fighting "for the first time." And far from ONE CENTURY ...

And ALREADY a long time ago, the LOGISTIC SUPPORT service was designed to solve such issues. And the fact that IT IS SHE, in the modern armed forces of Russia, DUE TO THE DIRECT NEGLECT OF THE TOP MILITARY LEADERSHIP, turned out to be UNREADY and UNABLE to solve these problems, even within the framework of the launched, large-scale NWO (thank God, not a large-scale war), does not mean at all that ARMY discipline, of which an integral part is COMPLIANCE WITH THE ESTABLISHED FORM OF CLOTHING FOR MILITARY PERSONNEL (the rest, all volunteers who are on self-sufficiency and provision of volunteers, of course, does not apply) and the RULES OF WEARING IT. Also, GORGEOUS APPEARANCE.

For this, from the personnel of units and subunits IN BATTLE and SEPARATED from LOGISTICS, of course, to demand a "ceremonial" appearance, as in preparation for a drill review, is STUPID ...

As well as "forbidding" the use of captured weapons by personnel, and weapons and military equipment, including "civilian" or "converted" vehicles ...

But the waters, upon EXIT from the battle, to the rear, for rest, understaffing or re-formation, the LOGO SERVICE IS OBLIGED TO PROVIDE ALL THE CONDITIONS FOR THE PERSONNEL, for REST and bringing its appearance into the statutory order. That is, to provide washing, drying (and, if necessary, the replacement of uniforms, moreover, FOR NEW, and not for BU), shoes, a bath once a week and a daily shower, the possibility of cutting and shaving. Even if military personnel are allowed to wear beards and mustaches (say, for religious reasons), they should not be "unsanitary" in appearance.

In short, the ARMY LOGO SHOULD BE URGENTLY and TOTALLY "put in order," At least, for now, only to provide personnel in the NWO zone and MOBILIZED into the Russian ARMED FORCES. And not army discipline, in the park, "cancel" ...

By the way, just in case...

AT THE ENEMY, ANY "military commander" (representatives of all kinds of "news agencies" and private reporters there are no less than in Russia) appears in the combat zone, in ANY SECTION OF IT, ONLY with the PERMISSION OF THE MILITARY COMMAND. And he publishes his materials or sends them to the editors ONLY through the channels provided by the MILITARY COMMAND. After a PRELIMINARY INTRODUCTION of the press officers appointed by the command, their content ...

For the same States and their NATO tobaccos, EXACTLY SO it has been since the time of the aggression against Iraq in 2003, AS MINIMUM.

AND IT IS RIGHT...

You are on the right path, comrade... +++++

[agond]

No knowledge or combat experience is needed to identify stale hair; on the first attempt, an accurate diagnosis is stale

[Fedor1]

everyone is already so tired of these parquet generals, their bitches should be deprived of all allowances and demoted, then they will think about their appearance, they probably want to look like civilized Europeans like creatures.

[Drlivsi]

Quote: Snowfall

Quote: Novik225

time to demand statutory hairstyles from them

Bys question with a beard. There is a mine-explosive wound of the maxillofacial region, sometimes half of the face is collected in rags. Dirty hair is picked out one at a time, missed - suppuration. There is an aggressive microflora in the trench mud (Pseudomonas aeruginosa, for example), which the beard collects like a vacuum cleaner, and then shell fragments turn all this Scandinavian beauty into a bloody-hairy mess, imprinting deep on the bottom of the wound. Well, the beard on the face burns brightly. So no need for beards in the trenches.

Moreover, the question of the use of chemical and biological weapons by the enemy remains open. If I'm not mistaken, was there a precedent in 2022 in the Kherson region? So, a gas mask in the case of a beard does not fit snugly against the skin of the face and does not perform a protective function.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Everyone hype as they can. Prigozhin is also, first of all, a businessman and collects points in the war for his future.