US press: Ukrainian authorities assure Washington that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will hold Bakhmut and prepare for the offensive

The American press continues to publish statements by US administration officials who talk about "some advice on tactics and strategies for conducting military operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the east." After statements that the Ukrainian command was recommended to withdraw the remnants of the group from Bakhmut (Artyomovsk), new "tips" appeared.

The Reuters news service, citing the US officials, publishes an article stating that if the Ukrainian army continues to “grab Bakhmut”, it will waste a lot of strength and military equipment, which is unacceptable.

From the article:

Washington believes that the Russian army is highly likely to take Bakhmut and knock out Ukrainian troops from there, which will suffer significant losses.

At the same time, the American administration says that the Ukrainian authorities "assure the United States of the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to defend Bakhmut and at the same time wait for the supply of military equipment to launch an offensive."

Washington listened to these assurances of the Ukrainian side, however, as American experts make it clear, they do not believe in it too much. After all, Ukrainian troops are spending more and more reserves near Bakhmut (Artyomovsk), and at this time, Russian troops are occupying settlements not only in this agglomeration, but also in the Zaporozhye direction. Recall that in the past 160 hours alone, the RF Armed Forces liberated territories with a total area of ​​more than XNUMX square kilometers, including seven settlements near the city of Orekhov.

Comments

[Maz]

Yep, they stay. Schazz. The orchestra works very well. And the supply has been excellently delivered, that is, they are given in full. Just fight. If only our route with flint was not given away, all the bodyaga goes through it to our Bakhmutov group. Judging by the way Sol and Kleshcheevka flew away, this is unlikely. Plus, gentlemen, the Sumerians are demoralized, no one wants to go under Bakhmut to the Wagners and die for the clown and his patrons. Still, to moderate the ardor of our rear bums about beards, cars and other crap in an attempt to build up warring units is real sabotage. That's right, Prigogine and Kadyrov send all of them and recommend sending them to FIG.

[private person]

Plus gentlemen, the Sumerians are demoralized,

Don't talk nonsense. That they are demoralized and do not want to fight has been poured into our ears since the spring, and the NWO has been going on for a year already. Who do you think opposes our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Who is shelling the territory of the Russian Federation? Who captured Kherson?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: private person

Who captured Kherson?

Who captured Kherson?
There is no need to attribute military victories to Banderlogs that did not exist. They stupidly entered the city that had been abandoned. Temporarily abandoned. Let's take it.

[private person]

They stupidly entered the city that had been abandoned. Temporarily abandoned. Let's take it.

Well, yes, stupidly left, but first accepted into Russia with the distribution of passports. And besides the ruins, is there anything left to pick up?

[Ilya_3]

Well, it was necessary, like Ukraine, to lose 20000 people and then move away from the Soledar? In Kherson, not today, tomorrow, if they broke the platinum and ours would remain surrounded, they would be shot like chickens there, it’s better to move away without losses, and then slowly, slowly, grind everything until they run out, the main thing is people’s lives, we are not Ukraine so that we obviously send losing battles to the slaughter of people.

[Kotisha]

You can tell Lapin this, he will believe and hold)))) He is definitely not like that)))

[Fitter65]

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Don't talk nonsense. That they are demoralized and do not want to fight has been poured into our ears since spring, and the NWO has been going on for a year already

Some Nazi commanders realized that the war was already lost after the battle of Smolensk, others began to doubt after the defeat near Moscow. But the personnel, although they were aware of the whole tragedy of the impending defeat, but until May 1945 fought with the despair of the doomed. Don't forget about the cornered rat effect.

[Chronos]

Quote: private person

Plus gentlemen, the Sumerians are demoralized,

Don't talk nonsense. That they are demoralized and do not want to fight has been poured into our ears since the spring, and the NWO has been going on for a year already. Who do you think opposes our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Who is shelling the territory of the Russian Federation? Who captured Kherson?

Well, someone is really demoralized. Why did you take Soledar? The 128th brigade could not stand it and fled from their positions, leaving their twin neighbors behind. The orchestra went into a breakthrough And that's it: either further surrender the city and die in the cauldron.

[isv000]

Quote: private person

Who do you think opposes our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? Who is shelling the territory of the Russian Federation? Who captured Kherson?

Oppose the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation vsuki controlled by detachments.
Nationalist formations are shelling the territory of the Russian Federation.
He did not capture, but entered the prudently abandoned Kherson, the Nazi rabble and the vuks crushed by him.

[Jean Baptiste]

You can’t write off the Severodonetsk scenario, when the Ukrainians, after a major offensive by ours, took advantage of a pause to regroup, replenish the reserve and the rest promised by the president to the soldiers rushed to the Kharkov region. Strelkov said in a last interview that judging by who is now in. Bakhmui and near Svatovo, the units that provided a breakthrough near Kharkov are now in reserve and are waiting for their time

[voice of reason]

let's get specific! so the 53rd mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "took Kherson" and what? in what kind of reserve is she waiting in the wings? defeated once again right there near Artemovsk!

[Jean Baptiste]

"I went" to Kherson and "took" two big differences, once it's specific. But seriously speaking, the question of the strategic initiative (which is now on the side of the Ukrainians) will be decided after their upcoming offensive, how successful it will be.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

the question of a strategic initiative (which is now on the side of the Ukrainians)

According to the dictionary definition: "Strategic initiative is the ability to impose one's will on an adversary over a long period of time on a strategic scale."
Do not specify in what place the Ukrainian army imposes its will for a long time, and even on a strategic scale?

[Jean Baptiste]

Yes, with the help of active work on communications and rear services, they forced our grouping to leave the Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv and other regions, then exhausted our small grouping with active hostilities along the entire front line, still deprived it of the possibility of concentration, then imposed heavy battles on the most trained units in the area of ​​Severodonetsk and taking advantage of their regrouping, they hit in the Kharkov direction, before that they thinned out our warehouses with chimeras. Then, as a result of the incessant onslaught and the destruction of supply lines, they were forced to withdraw troops from the right bank. To understand the strategic scale, compare the maps of April and January. Give me a better example of you reversed after April

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

To understand the strategic scale, compare the maps of April and January

You just don't understand the difference between operational success and strategic initiative.

[Jean Baptiste]

It is precisely our success in solidarity and reconnaissance in force in Zaporozhye that is the operational success that has stirred up a storm of emotions in you against the backdrop of the strategic initiative of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

swirled in you a storm of emotions

Or vice versa: it caused a storm of emotions in you not a particularly significant success of the urovoysk.
By the way, what is your native language? And then you knit strange cases in all your messages.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

the question of a strategic initiative (which is now on the side of the Ukrainians)

And what is this strategic initiative manifested in? Do they deliver unexpected counterattacks on the Russian Armed Forces, in places where they are not expected? Are they conducting raids on the rear of the RF Armed Forces? Do they create encirclement dangers for the Russian Army? Capturing strategically important cities, settlements, heights, hillocks?... How does this Ukrainian strategic initiative manifest itself?
Coming attack? So they have been scared since October. Either Melitopol, then Crimea, then immediately to Rostov and Voronezh ... They may be good Americans, I would even say excellent, they like to fight by proxy, but that's where they try to do something themselves ... Korea, Vietnam, and about Afghanistan ... Although how do they explain why it happened with Afghanistan? It's just that Chip and Dale decided to rush to the aid of Ukraine...

[Jean Baptiste]

It is enough to look at the map of hostilities and the development of the situation over the past year to understand which side had the strategic initiative after April, who imposed it on whom, and where everything is moving. Emotionally, you apparently cannot soberly assess what is happening, but the period that we are now going through is the time of preparing the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the next offensive, on which the entire "world community" is now focused. And the movement in which our army came is called + active defense. Everything will show the coming offensive

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

Just look at the battle map

No, not enough. For Ukraine, the meaning of the war is in the territories. For us, the destruction of the Ukrainian military potential. Therefore, it is necessary to look not at the map, but at the ratio of losses.
In addition, if the Ukrainian army has a strategic initiative, then why, instead of attacking Melitopol and cutting the land corridor in
Crimea, ukrovoyska building fortifications in the Zaporozhye region? Why are they retreating in the Donetsk region, instead of advancing in the Lugansk region? Why are they not crossing the Dnieper in the Kherson region in order to reach the Crimea?

[Jean Baptiste]

I agree that for us the point is not in the territories, but on the issue of the ratio of losses, I would not be very optimistic if I were you. In this regard, we are far from the effectiveness of a storm in the desert or foxes in the desert or a Yugoslav company, here the potential decreases in comparable scale on both sides. And I have already answered the question why they are not advancing, the offensive will be within 2 months, preparations for it are proceeding at a high pace.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

we are far from the effectiveness of a storm in the desert or foxes in the desert or a Yugoslav company ... ... the offensive will be within 2 months, preparations for it are proceeding at a high pace

You broadcast with such confidence that I hesitate to ask, but who reports to you?

[Jean Baptiste]

Arestovich, so far he has not yet guessed the attack on Berdyansk; the rest was more precisely predicted by Vanga’s grandmother and Garik Strelkov, he and Arestovich do not differ much in assessing the situation

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

Arestovich ... and Garik Strelkov

Well, why didn’t you immediately say who is in your authority - I would not waste time talking.
By the way, after his dismissal, Arestovich changed his rhetoric - he says that Ukraine has no chance of winning. In which, by the way, I agree with him ...

[Jean Baptiste]

It is important here to understand what is meant by the word victory. I am afraid that what you mean by it is further from us than the victory of the arrestovich is from him.

[private person]

defeated once again right there near Artemovsk!

And who told you that it is broken to zero? And how many more combat-ready brigades do they have? They did not believe in the autumn offensive either.

[Fitter65]

Quote: private person

And who told you that it is broken to zero? And how many more combat-ready brigades do they have? They did not believe in the autumn offensive either.

Well, at that time they seemed to be about to go to the Urals, the Russian army had also already been completely smashed and it seemed like they had prepared renaming signs for the streets of Rostov, but also something didn’t grow together? Hitler, he also thought that the USSR would collapse in a couple of months. But here the problem came out. Like parodies of Hitler's Natsiks, the same bummer will turn out.

[private person]

already kind of like signs for renaming for Rostov streets have been prepared,

Have you seen these signs shown to you? And they say a lot of what we have what they have. Here the "generals" at the VO for 8 years wrote that we would smash it in two weeks, and even now some hotheads are threatening a tank procession through the geyropa as in the 45th. Nevermind.

[Chronos]

Quote: Jean Baptiste

parts that provided a breakthrough near Kharkov are now in reserve and are waiting for their time

These units are now fighting in the same direction. Svatovo-Kremennaya. Not everything is true on the first line. But the Armed Forces, yes, they are trying to hold the front with meat and are waiting for them to form a shock fist. Well, whether it will work out, including on our General Staff, depends. Part of the strategic reserves have already arrived in Artyomovsk. And Zaluzhny obviously wasn’t going to introduce them now.

[old]

Plus, gentlemen, the Sumerians are demoralized, no one wants to go under Bakhmut to the Wagners and die for the clown and his patrons

The political conflict has grown into an existential one for Ukraine.

The politically active part of society in Ukraine is not only ready to die, it would be half the trouble. She, on the contrary, actively wants to die, she wants to burn in a tank, and in that she sees the meaning of life, and in the same tank she will tamp with her boot those fellow citizens who are not sufficiently admired by such a program. The worst brutalization is the brutalization of a civilian, the brutality of a peaceful person who has decided that he is a passionary. The soldier will stop, the politician will stop, the patriotic sectarian does not know how to restrain himself. That is why the desire to “fight until complete victory” is so massively shared there.

But for Russia, this approach also cuts off the road back. Since the enemy has already turned on his Radio of a Thousand Hills at full volume, and there is already a mound in each head, therefore, the only way to calm such an enemy is to accept the seriousness of the situation and do everything so that the enemy is defeated on the battlefield.

[Enverych]

Quote: Maz

If only our route with flint was not given away, according to our Bakhmutov group.

This route also raises some concerns. Pro-Ukrainian analysts are betting on it and scare it with “the severity of our situation” in this area.

Is there no discussion of this direction at VO? can someone enlighten?

[voice of reason]

This is impossible to believe. The political leadership of the former Ukraine, this sniffy clown is doing everything to come to a heavy military defeat!
To be honest, I was very afraid lately that common sense would prevail with the enemy and they would carry out an operation for an organized retreat and break the distance. This would allow them to stabilize the front and accumulate forces and resources until spring-summer. Of course, I would very much like that Zelensky "turned on Hitler" and turned Artemovsk into his personal Stalingrad - stand to the death, not a step back, I forbid retreat. And that's how it happened. This really becomes Stalingrad for him, but not as for the Soviet Union, but as for the army of Paulus. A trap and a cauldron - the liquidation of which will open a strategic hole at the front. They really hope that in the worst case, they will lose Artemovsk but stay on the next lanes. believes that giving the order to burn the defense in the Artyomovsky cauldron will not lose anything and will win time. In fact, he loses all the territories around and allows the RF Armed Forces to reach the next frontier. This is exactly what happened after the release of Popasna. And now the domino effect is on.
An attempt to cling to Soledar led to the difficult situation of Artemovsk. An attempt to hold Artemovsk to the last degree will result in the loss of Seversk and possibly Konstantinovka. And there already remains the last line of defense near Kramatorsk-Slavic, but beaten and bloodless brigades will have to hold it.
In general, if there were no clown, then everything would not be the way it is now. great luck that the civilian leadership of the Kyiv regime is so mediocre and militarily incompetent.

[private person]

The political leader of the former ukarina, this sniffed clown is doing everything to come to a heavy military defeat!

Only this defeat is still not there, and back in the spring they told us: Let's encircle a 40-strong group of kaklov in the Donbass and end the war. But did something go wrong, or did it all go wrong?

[Andron78]

The situation at the front in the spring and now is very different. The lack of people in the spring led to the exposure of some areas, from where the troops were transferred to promising or dangerous areas. Now, I hope this feint will not work.

[voice of reason]

YOU were told about this by American and French experts from retired generals. About the fact that Putin personally has plans to take Kyiv in three days and a great permoga that managed to prevent this. Could you show a link to what officials of the RF Ministry of Defense said in the spring of 2022 that they would allegedly inflict a decisive military defeat? there is no such thing you will not find because there was no such thing. These are all the fantasies of independent pirates who themselves come up with "Russian plans" and heroically violate them themselves.

[Ded60]

At least learn to write in Russian, khokhlik. A servile non-state - everything, as the owner orders, they report to us, they assure us, they give instructions to advance or retreat, according to their training manuals, you scatter guano here, and there - "we were told." Russia takes pity on you, does not hammer as it could, so you "chirp out of manure." Westerners will throw you (like America draped from Afghanistan), where will you jump, jumping out of bloomers? To the Poles? So for them you are "" and "whores", as, indeed, for everyone else .... miserable.

[old]

In general, if there were no clown, then everything would not be the way it is now

We are watching live how a political conflict has grown into an existential one for Ukraine. If you repeat mantras about orcs for too long, you yourself will be convinced that there can be no conversation - orcs are a different biological species.

This is not an army fighting an army. This society is at war with society.

For whom and why is it really dangerous? First of all, for Ukraine itself. Wars usually end with a peace treaty. What kind of peace treaty can be concluded with representatives of another biological species, which you yourself declared orcs and Colorado potato beetles - God knows. The politically active part of society in Ukraine is not only ready to die, it would be half the trouble. She, on the contrary, actively wants to die, she wants to burn in a tank, and in that she sees the meaning of life, and in the same tank she will tamp with her boot those fellow citizens who are not sufficiently admired by such a program. The worst brutalization is the brutalization of a civilian, the brutality of a peaceful person who has decided that he is a passionary. The soldier will stop, the politician will stop, the patriotic sectarian does not know how to restrain himself. That is why the desire to “fight until complete victory” is so massively shared there.

But for Russia, this approach also cuts off the road back. Since the enemy has already turned on his Radio of a Thousand Hills at full volume, and there is already a mound in each head, therefore, the only way to calm such an enemy is to accept the seriousness of the situation and do everything so that the enemy is defeated on the battlefield. And this, by the way, also means that all attempts to agree on some business issues right during the war, to achieve something through political concessions, etc. - a doomed idea. The enemy declared us an existential enemy. This means that this character of the war remains to be accepted and lived on the basis of it.

[rotmistr60]

Well, finally, the Americans have moved from loud and confident statements about the victory of Ukraine to understanding what is happening, losing hope for it.

Ukrainian authorities "assure the United States of the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to defend Bakhmut and at the same time wait for the supply of military equipment to launch an offensive"

And what remains for Zelensky, who relies on the supply of heavy equipment. I put the country on the line a long time ago and lost anyway.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Bakhmut will be taken: for decisive success, a simultaneous offensive from the territory of Belarus and in the south is necessary; direction Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa. It is first necessary, SIMULTANEOUSLY, to destroy all decision-making centers on the territory of Ukraine, as well as its logistics hubs. This will require radical solutions, but it is better now than later, when the next counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine begins. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, cut off from the rear, will lose their penetrating ability, panic will begin in the rear and in Europe.

[mikh-korsakov]

In order to implement the radical solutions prescribed by YOU, radical resources are needed. Does Russia have such resources? This is known to a limited circle of people in Moscow, and probably in the Pentagon. Therefore, I would be careful not to put forward proposals in the spirit of Erste Kolonne marschiert? und die zweite Kolonne marschiert. Although dreaming is not harmful.

[Metallurg_2]

Well, yes, Soledar just finished defending yesterday.

[tihonmarine]

Ukrainian authorities "assure the United States of the ability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to defend Bakhmut and at the same time wait for the supply of military equipment to launch an offensive."

And what else can they do, how not to "assure". The number of supplied techniques depends on the “overcome”, but if “overcome is not possible”, then at least statements need to be made (well, as about Soledar, for example.)

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

It may well be that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not leave Bakhmut and are ready to fight even in the boiler to the end in order to gain time. They have confidence that the supply of equipment and human resources of Ukraine are endless. And whether this is true or not, only the further course of hostilities will show.

[Ilya_3]

What time to win? This is just a delay in defeat, at the cost of thousands of dead and more destroyed infrastructure, ours will not stop, the industry is on a war footing, the entire military-industrial complex works in three shifts, and the Ukrainians do not have a military-industrial complex, there is no energy, those crumbs that they are given, for the entire front line is tears.

[Ivan Ivanov]

It’s bad if the deliveries wait, the volume is large, I don’t know what place they think at the top.

[23424636]

50 times I was in Bakhmut. An old county town in the valley of the Bakhmut river. The river is small, 5-6 meters from coast to coast. The left bank is high and its and the city rises steeply to the west. The capture of Kleshcheevka will allow shelling the road to Konstantinovka along which the supply is going. There is a bridge across the Sev. in essence, the city is in an operational environment. BUT. that Patrice streets. that Experienced is one two-story building and is separated from the city by a private sector. The city is old. The streets are different, but in the old part they have bends and sharp rises., there are many industrial objects. champagne wines, non-ferrous metal factories, and others. But the main thing is skyscrapers and they allow you to keep the defense long enough. However, in fact, the city of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not last and Zaluzhny asked Zelensky to withdraw troops, but the stubborn Jew does not agree to this.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Ukrainian Nazis minus the truth!!!

[isv000]

Ukrainian authorities assure Washington that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will keep Bakhmut

Zist then win zist, but who will give him ?!