The French authorities are considering the possibility of supplying Leclerc tanks to Kyiv as a way to convince Germany of the supply of Leopard 2 tanks

The French government is considering the possibility of supplies to the Kyiv regime tanks Leclerc. Such a move is intended to convince the German authorities to approve the supply of Leopard tanks to Ukraine.

According to the American publication Politico, a decision on the supply of these tanks has not yet been made, but Paris may take this step in order for Berlin to supply the Ukrainian army with the Leopard 2 tanks in service with the Bundeswehr. in the near future, otherwise, according to the authors of the article, supplies of military equipment will be needed already for the defense of the Ukrainian capital.

The material of the publication also indicates that the supply of Leopard tanks is the maximum possible step of official Berlin, which the German authorities can take under pressure from their key partners in the NATO military bloc. Germany, however, emphasizes that it must not do this alone. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has repeatedly argued that the delivery of German tanks will not take place if other NATO countries, including the United States, do not send their military equipment to the Kyiv regime. In the case of the United States, this refers to the supply of Abrams tanks.

It is also reported that on the sidelines of the Davos Economic Forum, Scholz tried in every possible way to avoid answering questions related to the likely supply of tanks to Ukraine.

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has criticized Western partners for being indecisive about the supply of their tanks to the Ukrainian army.

Comments

[Viktor Sergeev]

Well, Leclerc in Ukraine will generally be a number.

[dmi.pris1]

What do you mean? Yes, the car is expensive, but for the sake of harming us, we don’t feel sorry for anything. It’s clear that they can put a company, no more

[svp67]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Yes, the car is expensive, but for the sake of harming us, nothing is a pity.

Well, it's more difficult to operate that Leo, like "Ambarchika". And most importantly, VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY. In terms of cost, it is definitely in the top three most expensive tanks in the world.

[YOUR]

Quote: svp67

And most importantly, VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY. In terms of cost, it is definitely in the top three most expensive tanks in the world.

When someone in the army considered the cost of equipment and weapons. The main thing is efficiency. Don't care about the rest.
Cost excites only the chief financial officer. It is that hamstrings begin to shake when documents are slipped into him for payment.
As for the supply of Leclerc or Abrams, Chifften, Leopard. The delivery includes a repair kit and consumables.

Yesterday, British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace announced the shipment of a new batch of weapons to Ukraine, including:
- 14 Challenger 2 main battle tanks.
- 8 units of ACS AS90.
- 100 armored vehicles, including Bulldog armored personnel carriers, demining vehicles and pontoon bridge vehicles.
- 100 thousand artillery shells.
- 100 medium-range air defense missiles.
- Dozens of UAVs.
- A set of spare parts for the repair of 122 tanks and armored vehicles.

[Sailor]

In a double! Only K-2 can catch up with it in price, even Armata with its "manual assembly" lyama falls short of three.

[Incvizitor]

They get rid of all the useless rubbish like all these amx and cheliks, and the abrashki and leo don’t consider rubbish there, so they squeezed it.

[old]

Apparently, according to the French, there is no better way to convince Germany of the supply of Leopards than to quickly lose a couple of dozen of these vehicles under fire from the Russian Armed Forces. Bravo.

[Skeptic3]

Hat-throwing? No, have not heard...

[tralflot1832]

Abrams, Challengers, Leopards, Leclercs - have you forgotten anything?

[Romario_Argo]

Abrams, Challengers, Leclercs and Leopards - all tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be without remote sensing
look at Leo and Leclerc in a makeshift body kit with DZ Contact-1

[Skeptic3]

Excuse me, how do you know the complete set of equipment for the supply of which has not even been announced yet?

[svp67]

Quote: tralflot1832

Abrams, Challengers, Leopards, Leclercs - have you forgotten anything?

Ariete, K2, Type 10

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

Abrams, Challengers, Leopards, Leclercs - have you forgotten anything?

F-16, F-35 and there it’s not long before B61, fortunately in Europe they already exist and not for beauty, of course.

[not the one]

The list is impressive, it's not good ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

One can agree with Artamonov - the authorities, with their indecision to isolate the battlefield, can wait for the Decembrists on the square.

[Nastia makarova]

all these Decembrists will immediately go to Siberia

[9PA]

And who will send us there?

[Ivan Ivanov]

all these Decembrists will immediately go to Siberia

It is not the Decembrists who need to be kicked, but to respond to threats in a timely and adequate manner. All our measures inside and out are half-hearted. You can scare with a real military alliance and / or determination to use nuclear weapons. (By the way, how much of it is in storage, it's time to cook). If these measures do not stop the Western Wehrmacht, then there is nothing to lose.

[Skeptic3]

Are you ready to burn in a nuclear fire? What about your family and friends?

[FoBoss_VM]

So everything is moving towards this by leaps and bounds. I have been saying for a long time that Putin's entourage will bring him to the same place where the entourage of Nicholas 1 led him. It is necessary to change people, not to be afraid to bring traitors to justice. People need to see and know

[9PA]

It’s interesting how you separate Putin from responsibility for what is happening, didn’t he himself form warm places for his people?

[faterdom]

Let the French give helicopters, cool cars.
For Zelensky, for Turchynov, for Zaluzhny, for Yermak, Danilov and Avakov.
It's time for them to fly!

[dmi.pris1]

There are already fifty of these "Pumas". Let them choose as a personal car. There is a choice

[tihonmarine]

Quote: faterdom

Let the French give helicopters, cool cars.
For Zelensky, for Turchynov, for Zaluzhny, for Yermak, Danilov and Avakov.

No need to sin on helicopters, this is the work of those whom you have just listed, they remove their homies from the "feeder". On a helicopter and on a brick, it is always easier to write off.
If this were not so, then all the Western media would have yelled with one voice - "The intrigues of the Kremlin, the performers are Petrov and Bashirov!"

[rotmistr60]

Zelensky criticized Western partners for indecisiveness in the supply of their tanks to the Ukrainian army

Is that why Macron hastened to announce the delivery of French tanks? And in the Kremlin they haven’t picked up the phone for a long time, it’s a shame. You won’t understand who is in charge of whom in this booth - the United States Zelensky or Zelensky Europe under the American wing.

[tihonmarine]

Such a move is intended to convince the German authorities to approve the supply of Leopard tanks to Ukraine.

Well, "Challenger" has already gone, "Leclerc" is ready, and "Leopard" is not far away. And this is an offensive weapon. How far the West will go in supplying weapons to the Nazis, and I won’t be surprised if in a month, the West will start talking about the supply of nuclear weapons.

[dmi.pris1]

Missiles in line with a range of three hundred miles

[Mastrer]

Things will definitely not come to nuclear weapons, but completely to fighters.

[dmi.pris1]

Since last year, they have been preparing on the F16. There’s even a problem not in the pilots, they are. But in maintenance. Most likely they will be based on the airfields of Poland and Romania, there is someone to serve there. confederation with Poland. With further absorption.

[Uprun]

Revenge of the pasta, for the fact that the GDP does not pick up the phone ......, the Canadian will also be offended by Xi to supply something to Taiwan ..... Young, but already offended.

[Roman Bubnov]

At least look at them at the Museum of Armored Forces in Kubinka. And the collection has not been replenished for a long time.
And at the same time with them and the Challenger with the Leopard

[YanniKounnar]

Sur une chaîne de télé Française ouvertement anti Russe un colonel, sorti de la naphtaline, a dit que 600 blindés Ukrainien/otan avaient déjà été détruits...A ce rythme ce n'est plus la démilitarisation de l'Ukraine qui est en cours mais la demilitarisation de l'Otan! :-)

yandex
On a frankly anti-Russian French TV channel, some colonel who emerged from mothballs said that 600 Ukrainian/NATO armored vehicles had already been destroyed ... not the demilitarization of Ukraine, but the demilitarization of NATO is proceeding at such a pace! :-)

[Last centurion]

Anyway, to the English Channel in the end. So what's the difference where they are burned

[Tagan]

Quote: IvanIvanov

One can agree with Artamonov - the authorities, with their indecision to isolate the battlefield, can wait for the Decembrists on the square.

With yellow rubber duckies? Clubbing between the eyes and the ardor will die down.
The "Decembrists" have long since left, fleeing mobilization.

[Vladimir 290]

the former ones were hung near the current artillery museum in St. Petersburg, it would be nice to identify the current ones there and the place is prestigious and the view of the Peter and Paul Fortress is beautiful

[Mouse]

Such a move is intended to convince the German authorities to approve the supply of Leopard tanks to Ukraine.

like... do with us, do as we do, do better than us? Is a bad example contagious?

[Silver99]

Everyone is trying to incite Germans, Abrams and Leclercs for a bad deed only after cats, the Lithuanians are ready to give out a couple of plywood tanks, but also after.

[alexey_444]

The most electronically stuffed tank and the most expensive and unreliable. Will stand in Kyiv instead of a monument. When Abrams cost 3 lyamas, Leclerc cost 5. The tank is of course a formidable weapon, but in those conditions and with such service personnel it has no chance to live longer than the bare T-72. Let them supply and work out the methods of destruction, even the caliber is not a pity (cheaper) will be used on it

[Boa kaa]

Quote: alexey_444

even the caliber is not a pity (cheaper) will be used on it

Why is Caliber here? This is from another opera, however!
But Bassoon or Cornet will be quite in the subject at the same time.

[Vyacheslav p]

France has never been famous for tanks))) Deliver, we need to train

[Nova]

The trouble is, times are changing. Yes, France surrendered to the Nazis in a little over a month, but Napoleonic France is a completely different story. Maybe Leclerc is expensive, most likely unreliable, but the fact that this is an advanced and one of the most modern tanks cannot be denied. Considering his optics and electronics, we must remember that he will see our tank earlier than our tank will see him. Such an enemy is dangerous. Moreover, the price of any collision with such an enemy is the lives of our guys. Don't underestimate the enemy, friend.

[YanniKounnar]

Retour d'expérience du char Leclerc au combat au Yemen, avec ses points faibles analysés , désolés en Français
https://ruedumilitaire.com/lecons-sur-limplication-des-chars-leclerc-au-yemen/
Unautre en Anglais
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/uaes-leclerc-tanks-had-rough-time-yemen-196893

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

The infantrymen see the tanks first, and it’s not a fact that they will reach the meeting with the enemy’s tank.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vyacheslav P

France has never been famous for tanks)))

I myself am not a tanker at all, but I was interested. So, for general development.

Even the Americans fought on them in World War I (then their cheeks were not so puffed up, they were placed in a French tank). And ours, it seems, in the interwar period, something from this "Renault-FT" was "photocopied".
True, they became outdated very quickly due to the rapid growth of the tank industry around the world.

[rocket757]

The French authorities are considering the possibility of supplying Leclerc tanks to Kyiv as a way to convince Germany of the supply of Leopard 2 tanks

. Well, what’s the matter with them, do they mix the potion of brainlessness into everyone’s drink or zverin ???

[AdinRoman]

Interestingly, if you make ammunition that, when approaching, will spray quick-drying paint on the optics of a tank, will the tank go blind or not? Ammunition from a composite material (or plastic) can be made, for example, a drone. Well, then finish it off at your discretion ...

[Vladimir 290]

war pigeons or is it better to use crows?

[AdinRoman]

It's not a bad idea to disguise the drone as a crow. Sitting on a tree, waiting for abrams

[APASUS]

Leclerc is one of the most difficult tanks, how about training crews or will they go with the French right away?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: APASUS

Leclerc is one of the most difficult tanks, how about training crews or will they go with the French right away?

How will you advertise...
They will put up banners with an invitation to the "Russian safari", "to take revenge on the Russians for Napoleon" (who, by the way, they have a national hero, no matter what) - so the crews will march in formation, they will run ahead of the Leclercs.
They will talk about a real war, they will give the Poles "as an example", the rest - so the French will send these "Leclercs" to the address along with the war and together with Macron.

Something tells me that there will be no second version of the advertising campaign that I have given.

True, there is also the Foreign Legion with all sorts of rabble, beaten off on their heads. But they also need money only alive.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: DmSol

Then, in order to save the peace process, it is necessary to hand over Crimea and Donbass, nuclear weapons, the political elite to The Hague, Belgorod and Kuban, and what remains - to pay for the next hundred years and repent.

Is there a "peace process"?
In my opinion, both our “waiters”, and the very “cheers-patriots”, and those who adequately look at this war, it is clear to everyone that the end of the war will be only through victory in the war.
True, this victory is different for each of those about whom I have spoken. But no one is waiting for the "peace process".

[Skeptic3]

Only one question is still not clear - what is victory in this case? How should she look?

[donavi49]

The Swedish package includes 50 CV-90s (this opens the way for other operators of this BMP, such as Denmark and Finland) and begins training l / s for 12 Archer self-propelled guns.

Sweden will send:
*50 combat vehicle 90 (CV90)
* Anti-tank robot (NLAW)
* 12 Archer self-propelled howitzers.

+ Estonia for 113 million:
The military assistance package will consist of 155-mm and 122-mm howitzers, thousands of shells and trucks for them, more than a hundred Carl-Gustav anti-tank guns and more than a thousand pieces of ammunition for them.

[Vladimir 290]

all my life I thought that the "Karl Gustav" is an anti-tank grenade launcher, and it is already being renamed into a gun, I hope that's all it was.

[Wildcat]

12 Archers - expected, this number flashed in the media; theoretically, they could have given as much more as was left of the failed friendship with Norway.
*50 combat vehicle 90 (CV90) - interesting, in what configuration? In theory, it should be with the "native" 40mm cannon, but there are options with other guns, and what about the ATGM, Spike will give?

[Nova]

All modern European tanks assembled. Clearly understood. I teach history at school. To my phrase that in 1941 the Union was attacked not by fascist Germany, but by almost the entire modern European Union, only under a different flag, many fall into a stupor until you start showing photos and talking about the divisions of the Spaniards, Romanians, Bulgarians and other "brothers", that 80 percent of that Europe with all its economic power and human resources opposed us. A century has passed, everything repeats itself.

[Bagatur]

(...) divisions of the Bulgarians and other "brothers",
[Class! Where were the Bulgarian divisions in the USSR)))

[Skeptic3]

It repeats, but there is a nuance - it repeats vice versa.

[Kirill Prozorovski]

And the old versions are supplied so that after the destruction they say that they are old, but the new ones are hoo.

[ASM]

Leclerc is said to be the most electronically sophisticated and "gentle" tank - its use requires a certain culture, incl. service. I think that the use of such machines by the outskirts will be the collapse of their reputation. Even if the crews are Frankish, then dragging tanks across several borders for maintenance and repair is a complete loss of efficiency.

[Georgy Sviridov_2]

We need Leclercs with their super expensive suo, we will make Sarmatians from their chips)))

[Beaver]

It is possible that temporary manpower will be supplied in tanks. Non-brothers will not survive another offensive

[Skeptic3]

Except, don't guess. I understand that it is inconvenient to lose to the Ukrainians, but not to the same extent as to fantasize like that.

[Zaurbek]

The Japanese are lagging behind with their armored vehicles. Something they can't hear.