Ambiguous era

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Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev - a man who stood at the helm of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics for eighteen years, the largest and most powerful country in the world at that time. From 1964 until the day of his death, November 10, 1982, Brezhnev L.I. held ruling posts in the Central Committee of the CPSU, in fact being the head of state. During this time, according to the researchers, the foundation was laid for the future collapse of the Soviet Union, both political and economic. There is still no single assessment of the reign of this undeniably interesting historical personality, although it has been three decades since the Secretary General’s death. Most often, to denote this segment of the history of our country, it is customary to use the term "era of stagnation." Pepsi-Cola for the children of the USSR, the fight against dissent, the unprecedented development of the military-industrial complex, the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan, the operation to seize the Amin’s palace, the growth of corruption and abuse of power, the immigration of Jews, Prague Spring, all this is far from a complete list of bright events marking the Brezhnev era. Some say that these were the years of prosperity for our state, literally the “golden age”, when there were no global internal upheavals, and the citizens of the now defunct country were completely satisfied with their economic situation. But is it really so?

Ambiguous era


Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev was born in a simple working-class family in the village of Kamenskoye, Yekaterinoslav Province of the Russian Empire (in 1913, it received city status, and in 1936 it was renamed Dneprodzerzhinsk). And even in the data on the beginning of the life journey of the famous native of the village of Kamenskoe, historians do not have a common opinion. Some indicate in their writings the date of birth of Brezhnev, as December 6 1906 of the year (December 19 old style). Others say that December 19 is the birthday of the future General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU in a new style, while the old one indicates the date 1 of January 1907. Regarding nationality, there is also no unanimity, the opinion was divided between those who call Brezhnev a Ukrainian, and those who defend his Russian origin.

From 1915 to 1921, Leonid Ilyich studied at the classical gymnasium in Kamensky. After training, he worked in Kursk at an oil mill. The year 1923 was marked by the entry into the Komsomol and the beginning of studies at the land surveying and land reclamation technical school. Since 1927, after graduation, he worked in the specialty in the Kursk region of the RSFSR, the Byelorussian SSR, the Sverdlovsk region of the RSFSR. In 1930 he became a student at the Institute of Mechanical Engineering. Kalinina in Moscow, but a year later transferred home to the metallurgical institute in the correspondence department. Parallel to the factory. In Dneprodzerzhinsk, Brezhnev is admitted to the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. From 1935 to 1936 he served in the Red Army in tank training unit near Chita. He was a student of mechanization and motorization courses, at the end of which Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev was awarded the title of “lieutenant”. After the future four-time Hero of the Soviet Union fulfilled his sacred duty to his homeland, he worked in senior positions as a director of a technical school and an engineer at a factory. And since 1937, party activity has become his main occupation. From 1937 until the outbreak of the war he held leadership positions in the political administration of the Dnipropetrovsk region. He was the head of the department of the regional committee of the party, later the secretary of the regional committee of the CPSU (b).

During the Great Patriotic War is engaged in mobilization work, issues of evacuation of the population and production. He held the posts of deputy chief of the political department of the Front, brigade commissar, head of the political department of the army, the Front. In the 1942 year, when radical reforms and shifts took place in the Soviet army, Brezhnev was promoted to the rank of colonel, although his position at that time assumed he would receive general lampas. Most likely, the main reason for the fact that Leonid Ilyich in 1942, the year on the epaulets fell only the colonel's stars, was a very not flattering characteristic of a personal matter. "... has favorites ...", - in this phrase from the dossier of the brigadier commissar Brezhnev L.I. You can see the future style of administration of the Secretary General, when “his people” were appointed to government posts, which in essence showed an increase in corruption and abuse of office in the upper echelons of power of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The war, nevertheless, Leonid Ilyich ended up as a major general. For some time he carried out military duties, occupying the post of the head of the political department of the Fourth Ukrainian Front, fought with armed detachments of the OUN-UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army). Also in 1945, he participated in the Victory Parade - he marched around Red Square as a regiment commissar under the standard of the Fourth Ukrainian Front.
In subsequent years, Leonid Ilyich held the leading posts of the first secretary of the Zaporizhzhya and Dnepropetrovsk regional party committees. In 1950, he was appointed first secretary of the Central Committee of the Party of the Republic of Moldova. Then Brezhnev returned to work in the army in 1953: he was appointed Deputy Head of the Political Directorate of the Army and Fleet. A year later, Khrushchev sent Brezhnev to lead Kazakhstan. And after ten years of changing various posts in the political elite of the country in 1960, Brezhnev became chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council. Having received unlimited power, he organizes and takes a direct part in the deposition of Khrushchev N.S. from the post of first secretary of the CPSU Central Committee and other posts in 1964. After that, he wins the fight against opponents and in the same year becomes the first secretary of the Communist Party of the USSR. From that moment, the era of conservative governance began in the country.

The first step of Brezhnev was to strengthen his position - the appointment to the leading posts of the state the most loyal people: Andropov, Chernenko, Tikhonov, Schelokov. This gave rise to a system of “dissension”, from which modern Russia cannot even get rid of today. Under Brezhnev’s rule, many statesmen could hold leadership positions for more than ten years in one department, which ultimately influenced the stagnation of development processes and the establishment of bureaucracy and conservatism in all spheres of activity. And this, despite the fact that the Soviet Union had a great human potential, occupying first place in the world in the number of people with higher education.



Nevertheless, in all indicators of production, the Soviet Union gradually caught up with the United States of America. It was not possible for leaders only to meet the needs of the population for food. Even one hundred percent provision of agriculture with equipment did not bear its fruits. In this regard, Brezhnev began to actively pursue a policy of supporting private households, which was completely unacceptable under Khrushchev.

One of the reasons for the beginning of the economic crisis in the Soviet Union was the halt of industrial growth. But world oil prices contributed to keeping the country's economy afloat, allowing industry to move, build auto plants (Volzhsky, Kamsky), create a unified energy system of the USSR. Almost completely gasified and electrified villages, which led to a rise in their standard of living there. Various social events were held in the cities, more than 200 of millions of families received free housing. The income of citizens grew on average in the country by one and a half times. This led to an increase in population, which was not at all typical for European countries. At the same time, in the race with the Americans, enormous sums were spent on space exploration and the creation of a powerful military-industrial complex. It was under Brezhnev that our country signed a number of agreements that were supposed to prevent a war that was brewing, to eliminate the slightest possibility of a nuclear conflict. These include the 1972 Treaty on the Reduction of Offensive Arms, the 1973 Treaty on the Prevention of Nuclear War, the Helsinki Act on Cooperation, Security, and the State Borders in Europe, signed in 1975.

But, paradoxically, it was during the reign of Leonid Ilyich that the army reached its greatest power in the entire history of the USSR. On top of that, Brezhnev generously sponsored the developing countries of the socialist camp: Vietnam, Egypt, Angola, Cuba, and some others. Implementing the policy of detente relations between the United States and other countries of the capitalist bloc and the Soviet Union, as well as strengthening the authority of the state in the world political arena, until the last day did not want to allow the possibility of a military invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan 1979 year. And the main way of settling foreign policy conflicts was considered negotiating and the work of diplomats at all levels. After entering the Soviet army in Afghanistan, the aged "leader" insisted on the speedy return of soldiers home. Brezhnev also did not allow the Prague Spring to be repeated in Poland, where it was planned to reproduce the Czechoslovak scenario.

The signing of the act in Helsinki, in which one of the clauses was the observance of human rights, Brezhnev thereby opened the way for such a phenomenon as dissidence. The emergence of this movement of the USSR owes precisely to the policy of both internal and external, which was conducted by the head of the state. Although now many rightly blame Brezhnev for the fact that under him was organized the persecution of all dissenters.

It is worth noting that it was under Brezhnev that in 1973, the “good” was given to leave the Union of Jews. If you read the recently published documents regarding the meeting of the Central Committee of the Party on the issue of the emigration of people of Jewish nationality, the conviction that Brezhnev didn’t get into the essence of the question, that they were easily manipulated, and the political course was determined by the ruling elite, but not Leonid Ilyich, disproved. The tough position of the Secretary General, which was adamant before all the arguments of the members of the Central Committee of the party, is clearly visible.

Also, the Brezhnev era is associated with an increase in the level of alcohol consumption by the population, the criminalization of society and the growth of suicide. The Ministry of Internal Affairs could not cope with the unprecedented increase in crime, which caused the need for urgent staffing of the department. This played a generally negative role, since in a hurry the personal affairs of citizens who wanted to work in the bodies were dealt with somehow. In the police, people began to work with a “dark past,” who, even wearing shoulder straps, were not going to abandon their criminal talents and inclinations.



A landmark event of the Brezhnev stagnation period is the confrontation between two structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB. Experiencing enmity towards each other, turning into fierce hatred, Andropov and Shchelokov tried to get the greatest influence on the General Secretary who was weakening over the years. After the death of Leonid Ilyich, power passed to Andropov, who initiated an investigation into abuses in the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. According to her results, Shchelokov was relieved of his duties as Minister of Internal Affairs, December 7 1984 was deprived of titles and awards. And on December 13 put a hunting rifle to his head and pulled the trigger.

Brezhnev was not a stupid man, but, unlike his predecessors, he did not have the qualities that would enable him to use all the achievements achieved in the course of political and economic measures to strengthen the country's power. His vanity, which gave rise to anecdotes, does not seem so ridiculous, if you study the memories of colleagues. For example, in his indefatigable lust for power, Leonid Brezhnev in order to take up the post of First Secretary of the Central Committee, he actively planned the arrest and even the physical elimination of Khrushchev. The pride of the Order of the “Sun of Peru”, especially the brilliant commander of all times and peoples, described in detail by the talented journalists of the USSR in the supposedly biographical Trilogy of Brezhnev, was especially telling. Taking into account all the above facts, it really is not possible to characterize the era of Brezhnev’s rule unequivocally. Based on the story, everyone has the right to make for themselves independent conclusions.
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  1. traveler
    +29
    10 November 2012 14: 38
    He lived at that time, was a schoolboy ... The most bright memories were when Brezhnev died and really waited for the war to begin, so all arms reductions were connected with his name !!!
    And another interesting feature: The large number of jokes about Brezhnev that were heard at the time (despite the KGB !!!) say that Leonid Ilyich listened to them with pleasure with himself.
    1. sefirs
      +34
      10 November 2012 16: 12
      After the death of Leonid Ilyich, I did not expect war.
      Jokes were always about all popular people. (Brezhnev, Vaska, Stirlitz)
      But I remember and I know one thing: the Union republics got along with each other. Today they say that Brezhnev has driven allied relations into a dead end. It is not true!
      We all remember that a bad world is better than a good war. So it was under L.I.B. there was a world. And right now they say that it was he who drove interethnic relations into a dead end.
      Yeah! Run away ....
      So if they (the relationship) would remain in a dead end, rather than SUCH DEVELOPMENT.
      1. traveler
        +2
        10 November 2012 16: 22
        Quote: sefirs
        Jokes were always about all popular people.

        Remember that time !!! Anecdotes about Stalin? Probably they were with him, but where later the storytellers ended up ... They did not really write about Khrushchev either (maybe they did not have time, they did not "maize" for too long ...) winked
        Quote: sefirs
        After the death of Leonid Ilyich, I did not expect war.

        I talked about my childhood feelings, because at that time the idea of ​​a "warming" in relations between the USSR and America prevailed, and all this was based on the personality of the Secretary General, while there was an active propaganda of the aggressive military imperialism of America (Vietnam and North Korea were then "burning ").
        Anek:
        Arrival of a delegation from a country. Meeting at the airport, Brezhnev kisses with some representative of the delegation, the secretary approaches him and says:
        WITH.:
        - Leonid Ilyich, stop kissing him, this is not a very significant official!
        B .:
        - An official may be insignificant, but how to kiss, how to kiss ... smile
        1. sefirs
          +1
          10 November 2012 16: 59
          Quote: traveler
          I talked about my childhood feelings

          These are the children's feelings you prevail ....
          Grow up!
          Quote: traveler
          (Vietnam and North Korea were then "on fire")

          Dear traveler! These countries were "on fire" in the early 60s .....
          Sorry, you weren’t there yet ....
          1. traveler
            +7
            10 November 2012 17: 07
            Quote: sefirs
            These countries were "on fire" in the early 60s .....

            Nothing that the Vietnam War lasted until 1975? winked
            Every year at the school, competitions of political posters were held, political information was held, documentaries were shown in cinemas before the sessions (sometimes they were lucky and there was a / w laughing ) and it constantly sounded that the Americans yearn for war, and we are for peace (which corresponded to the truth).
            I don't know why you "clung" to me, I lived at that time and I remember all this (I have not yet fallen into senile marasmus, as well as into childhood wink )
            1. sefirs
              +5
              10 November 2012 17: 34
              Quote: traveler
              Every year, school held contests of political posters, held political information,

              Yes, traveler, it was all ...


              The USSR was fucked up, sorry, and now we are chewing snot ... I am 56 years old, you are clearly younger - therefore, believe in fairy tales.
              It is clear that it is not the date of birth .....
            2. +1
              10 November 2012 21: 21
              And in the late 70s, China hit Vietnam.
        2. pavlo
          +5
          11 November 2012 11: 42
          This anecdote KOZEL HAZANOV told. And yet, the name of STALIN Joseph VISSARIONOVICH was inextricably linked with the Victory over fascism, and I think that these people were given the right thing in the face and they planted some, although I hardly believe in the last one, Khrushchov tried. Under Brezhnev, it was time for moderate anti-Stalinism. And he still didn’t believe in any era of communism - with him the era of calm and growth of well-being of the SOVIET PEOPLE really came !!! I personally was born in 1967, and I saw with my own eyes how it lives — my dad worked as a carrier for a public transport bus — about 300-350 rubles !!!
      2. +24
        10 November 2012 18: 52
        I agree ! And I want to add. The number of anecdotes about Brezhnev, on the one hand, spoke of the people's love for Brezhnev. And why not love the person, with whose rule the Soviet people have only the best. Getting a new apartment, the appearance of a Zhiguli is a dream of any Soviet person, a huge industrial construction - the launch of new factories, the development of new industries, successes in space (docking of Soyuz and Apollo, Leonov's spacewalk, Lunokhod, and much more), science has achieved tremendous success (although it worked for the war, but the national economy also got it, take at least the appearance of compact tape recorders and compact cassettes), and probably the most important thing is confidence in the future (which is not present now) and stability in life. This stability was manifested in the fact that the life of a born person was prescribed in advance, that is: a person was born and in front of him, a secured place in a nursery and a kindergarten, then a school, on vacation in the summer Crimea or Abkhazia, a pioneer camp (rest in the south could allow almost any Soviet family), then according to the abilities of a vocational school, a technical school, an institute, after graduation, either service in the ranks of the SA or the Navy, or distribution work (where you need to work at least three years, although many remained for life), after several years of work at an enterprise (factory, construction department) the possibility of obtaining an apartment (on a collective farm or state farm, assistance in building one's own house or obtaining departmental living space), children grew up, got married, got married, please, an apartment for resettlement, a pension, which in other cases was higher than the salary of some workers (from 132 to 176 rubles, with the cost of a bottle of vodka 4 rubles 12 kopecks; 4 rubles 42 kopecks, which isthe standard of living is how much vodka a salary can buy), and then guaranteed speeches and obituary in the local newspaper on the occasion of the funeral (part of the cost, bus, coffin, place for the commemoration - all from the company). All ! Maybe I'm idealizing, but life under Brezhnev was normal. Of course, there were no forty kinds of sausages in the shops, and there was not much meat in the shops, but life was kind and cheerful. We gathered for rallies to support the "oppressed peoples of Africa", we fought for "freedom for Angela Davis", on holidays we watched concerts with the participation of Kobzon and Zykina, but still on tape recorders we had (obtained through third hands) recordings of Deep Purple and Creedence Clearwater Revaivel, we bought records of the Beatles, Tom Jones, Humperdinck in the "Gramophone" stores, listened to the Beatles' re-songs by "Jolly Fellows". Or maybe we were just young? Probably not ! In fact, life was better!
        1. +9
          10 November 2012 21: 35
          They said everything correctly, but the author wagged his tail something in the article - “everything was good, because it was bad.” Yes, everything was good! They made a fool of our head with clothes, and videos with porno. Better not to see her! We had enough of our own, but at least we would live like people! So no, give us publicity with redrawing and privatization! Ugh !!! But it's too late ...
          1. lotus04
            +1
            11 November 2012 19: 30
            Quote: Alexey Garbuz
            We were fooled by our clothes, but with porn videos. Yes, you had better not see her! His own was enough, but at least we would live like people! So no, give us transparency with redrawing and privatization! Ugh !!!


            Well, here comes the "hangover".
        2. +5
          10 November 2012 22: 08
          Quote: starshina78
          Or maybe we were just young? Probably not ! In fact, life was better!

          In fact, both that, and another, dear Sergeant.
    2. +4
      10 November 2012 20: 46
      Regarding anecdotes, this speaks not only of a desire to play a trick on a person, but also that a person is popular in a good way. Right away Yeltsin - when he was a "subverter of the foundations", anecdotes about him, almost every day, new ones appeared. When he became a ruler, and, moreover, not particularly loved, the stream of anecdotes dried up. Personally, I still remember anecdotes about Ilyich (Brezhnev), but kill me, I can't remember either the Tagged One or the Alcoholic.
      1. Brother Sarych
        +3
        10 November 2012 20: 53
        How will it start in English? Gorbachev asked the translator.
        Begin - he answered ...
        1. 0
          10 November 2012 21: 16
          Thank. But you must admit, the grin here is unkind
        2. +2
          10 November 2012 23: 41
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          Begin - he answered ...

          A bit wrong.
          Gorbachev to the translator - Do you translate the features of my speech?
          Translator - Of course, Mikhail Sergeevich. When you say "start" I say "begin", but when you say "yesterday". I say "really" laughing
    3. +1
      10 November 2012 21: 18
      I remember that day, walking with a friend after school, drunks, as always sitting at the store, said: "Piz-ts! Nuclear war will begin now!"
      We, 12 year old pussy, seriously believed in it. And at home, day and night, a radio in the corridor constantly called on Dad to the draft board for his secret affairs.
    4. +3
      11 November 2012 08: 22
      Leonid Ilyich, a decent man, a soldier, and this author wrote a stupid article. BIG_ MINUS HIM.
      1. 0
        12 November 2012 02: 36
        especially funny in the article is written about the "growth of corruption" ...
  2. 8 company
    +12
    10 November 2012 14: 46
    You can’t name Brezhnev an outstanding figure, but he treated people like a human being, he didn’t arrange bloody sweeps, he allowed him to live more or less calmly. And thanks for that.
    1. +21
      10 November 2012 16: 04
      By the way - after the perestroika and the collapse of the Union, a joke was circulated among the people:

      Brezhnev bequeaths after death to bury his ass up ...
      "Why, Leonid Ilyich?"
      "Time will pass - so that they don't worry too much when you come to kiss ..."

      I remember him perfectly. Not satisfied with three things (when the old age became): pronunciation, the number of awards and slobbery kisses (especially with all sorts of nits, which, after the departure of the secretary general, suddenly became smart and sagacious, the period of his reign was called "stagnation" and the superpower was quickly destroyed).
      1. predator.2
        +6
        10 November 2012 18: 39
        And how many national and Komsomol construction projects there were that they still cannot ruin, 200 million families received apartments, free of charge, and now MORTGAGE, then they didn’t even know such words. He just needed to retire during the time, say after the Moscow Olympics, leaving a worthy receiver.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          +4
          10 November 2012 19: 03
          predator.2,
          Quote: predator.2
          200 million families received apartments
          ARTISTALLY WHISTLE - this, brother, must also be able to! The family is 2, 3 people, well, ka x = how much population is obtained ???
          1. +7
            10 November 2012 21: 43
            Over the 18 years of rule? It could well have been. I - first 1-room, then 4-room and last 68-room. And this is from 80-97 years. But we have built a lot of housing at the met-combine . A kind of indicator of the time. But in XNUMX half of the city without heat and light sat with frozen batteries and drove looters from empty apartments.
          2. predator.2
            +2
            10 November 2012 23: 01
            Various social events were held in cities, more than 200 million families received free housing. Citizens income grew on average in the country and a half times. This led to population growth.
            it is written in this article, what does the whistle have to do with it!
            By the way, why were we assigned the "Jolly Roger"?
          3. pavlo
            +1
            11 November 2012 12: 01
            Most likely, 200 ml of square meters, a person was mistaken, it happens, and they built a real lot of sneakers of various kinds, too!
        2. Spooky
          -9
          10 November 2012 19: 11
          Looks like a big lie !!!!!!!!!!!
          1. +4
            11 November 2012 14: 12
            And where is the truth? That there were no problems with kindergartens? Parents did not think where to send the child for the summer? Free medicine and education for EVERYONE? Guaranteed receipt, namely OBTAINING an apartment? And, most importantly, there was confidence in their future, and in the future of their children! The shortcomings of that time now look so small and frivolous that I don’t want to talk about them - the advantages outweigh. And the previous forum users are right a hundred times when they said that we have been living on the backlog of those years all these years !!!!
    2. sefirs
      +9
      10 November 2012 16: 25
      You are absolutely right: it is THE OUTSTANDING ACTIVITY OF BREZHNEV.
      He fitted all the republics under a common denominator. Interethnic conflicts were reduced to zero. Under him, no one was bothered about independence, although there were problems (smoldering).
      So let these problems smolder, but so that there would be no war !!!!
      You all understand: Georgia, Abkhazia, Chechnya - they lived under the USSR, it may not be quite worthy (in terms of everyday life), but humanly correct. Nobody cut off anyone's head.
      So it would have been necessary to leave the previous system before introducing a new unknown.
    3. sefirs
      +6
      10 November 2012 17: 11
      Quote: Company 8
      You can’t name Brezhnev an outstanding figure

      Under him, the country lived in peace and harmony.

      8 company
      You are absolutely right:
      Quote: Company 8
      he was human, he didn’t arrange bloody sweeps, he let him live more or less calmly. And thanks for that.

      This is an absolutely outstanding figure. We all understand that it was under Brezhnev that we received maximum freedom. ALL.
      And right now we are reaping the inept fruits of the current government in the relations of the former Soviet republics
  3. Yarbay
    +6
    10 November 2012 14: 53
    Quote: traveler

    He lived at that time, was a schoolboy ... The most bright memories were when Brezhnev died and really waited for the war to begin, so all arms reductions were connected with his name !!!

    I consider him an outstanding leader !!
    1. traveler
      -2
      10 November 2012 14: 59
      Quote: Yarbay
      I consider him an outstanding leader !!

      I would not say that, but the fact that this is a historical person who left a noticeable mark on History is beyond doubt! Too compromised by the "clique" and the daughter ... Craving for "trinkets" and "writing" is also in the "minus" hi But this is my opinion hi
      At the beginning of his activity, Brezhnev was preparing a report for the solemn meeting at the club of the Kommunar plant on the anniversary of the October Revolution. And he suggested to the propaganda department that the city district committees write out personal invitation cards for the asset. And to me, when the department head went to fulfill the order, he said:

      - Pick up young, strong guys and close all the front doors without 10 minutes 19 hours and whoever knocks, do not let them go. And then, only after the report, skip the invitees, taking away their tickets in advance. Then give them to me.

      God what was going on! There is a report in the hall, and the doors are cracking:

      - Discover! Hear now! Tomorrow I will erase you in powder !!!

      And we are silent. Finally a break. We opened the half of the door and, holding back the pressure, took away invitation cards and let in annoyed husbands and half-worn ladies who were accustomed to come only to the concert.

      On the second day, as instructed by Leonid Ilyich, the latecomers were called into the meeting room of the regional party committee. Many did not know where they were going, and even at first they were satisfied:

      “I was invited, but there was no boss.”

      - Yes, my director was not invited either!

      And the meeting was short. Brezhnev came in:

      - Hello comrades! We invited activists to a ceremonial meeting to listen to serious tasks that need to be addressed, and it is unfortunate that you did not hear about this and were not interested. I am ashamed of you and very sad that next time you will not be considered an asset and will not be invited.

      “And you,” Brezhnev asked the head of the propaganda department, “I will ask you to pass these invitation cards to the first secretaries of the party’s district committees.”

      - All! You are free! - And under the deathly silence Brezhnev left.

      After that, no one was ever late for meetings. Neither in the city nor in the districts.

      It should be noted that During his work Brezhnev did not expel anyone from the party and did not bring anyone to justice...

      Totally here: http://vz.ru/politics/2012/11/9/602127.html
    2. +20
      10 November 2012 15: 55
      Quote: Yarbay
      I consider him an outstanding leader !!


      Personality must be viewed from all sides. Brezhnev is a figure of an entire era. Having rummaged in his biography, it is possible, in part, to penetrate even sympathy. Not a tyrant and a despot, not a tyrant Like all rulers and rulers of our country, he has merits, he also has mistakes. And like any epoch-making personality, he should not be forgotten and lost in human memory.
      This is now the era of his rule is characterized as "neo-Stalinism", "stagnation", "system crisis", "dissidence". In fact, this is far from the case.
      The first years of the "era", from 1964 to 1970, were accompanied by economic reforms and growth in the country's economic development. Thanks to Kosygin's economic reform, agricultural production accelerated, the severity of the food issue decreased, the volume of industrial production increased by half (!), More than 2000 large enterprises were built, including the VAZ in Togliatti.
      The most important event that strengthened the international position of the USSR and its allies during this period was the Pan-European Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, which proclaimed: the sovereign equality of states; non-use of force or threat of force; inviolability of borders; territorial integrity of states; peaceful settlement of escorts; non-interference in internal affairs; respect for human rights; equal rights of peoples; mutually beneficial cooperation of states; conscientious fulfillment of obligations under international law. In 1972 and 1979 The USSR signed treaties with the United States on the limitation of strategic weapons (OSV-1, OSV-2), in 1974 an agreement on anti-tank defense. In 1972 with the active assistance of the USSR, the bloody Vietnam War was stopped. For one, it is possible to erect a monument to him. Suffice it to say that this period was the period of greatest power and the strategic nuclear forces of the USSR, including the unprecedented heyday and formation of the Strategic Missile Forces under the leadership of Vladimir Fedorovich Tolubko (hereinafter only decline and degradation until recently)
      Of course, there was a shortage of goods, queues, speculation., The flourishing of the nomenklatura, the dissident movement, the breakdown in relations with the socialist countries, the "Prague Spring" in the Czech Republic, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan - all these colossal mistakes of Brezhnev significantly outweigh his merits.
      But I will remain in my memory as a symbol of the era of stability, calm and confidence in the future, which we still do not have enough today.

      Another myth that Brezhnev could only talk on a piece of paper. On roller
      he talks with American astronauts in an informal setting.
      1. Yarbay
        +20
        10 November 2012 16: 02
        Quote: Ascetic
        But I will remain in my memory as a symbol of the era of stability, calm and confidence in the future, which we still do not have enough today.

        So I have, then it’s time to assassinate with the fact that I was convinced that if some rotten NATA tries to attack us together with the rest of the world in union,then we will tear them all!!
        There was an indescribable feeling of pride in the COUNTRY!!
        And he did not tarnish himself with corruption or betrayal !!
        1. +8
          10 November 2012 16: 15
          Hi Alibek, I can add that despite the dubious nature of many of his awards for old age, he ended the war on Red Square in the general rank, however, like most other leaders of that time, this says a lot
          1. Rezun
            +3
            11 November 2012 09: 14
            just by the way ...
        2. +6
          10 November 2012 16: 45
          Quote: Yarbay
          Quote: Ascetic
          But I will remain in my memory as a symbol of the era of stability, calm and confidence in the future, which we still do not have enough today.


          Well said. I will add - it was in some way the "golden age" of the USSR. True, it was then that the Gorbachevs and Yeltsins began to come to power ...
          1. +9
            10 November 2012 18: 16
            however, it was then that the Gorbachevs, Yeltsins began to come to power ....

            Rats came to the ready ...
            1. +6
              10 November 2012 22: 05

              Rats came to the ready ...
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        -6
        10 November 2012 20: 07
        Ascetic,
        Progress ??? Yes, these are people! THIS IS ALL OTHER PEOPLE! And the opponents of these people are also completely different! Here is such a clarification!
        By the way: current people want something unusual (expect) from Putin! And Putin is doing more a lot more than any Brezhnev!
        Putin and his assistants are not on that scale, and the opponents have become much more decent, and the people are not a socialist society !!!
        (the people are very diluted with greed, grabbers, money-grubbers, and in TOM society these words were the most offensive).
        SO sho! Who will you lead from .....!
        1. +1
          11 November 2012 15: 05
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Ascetic,
          Progress ??? Yes, these are people! THIS IS ALL OTHER PEOPLE! And the opponents of these people are also completely different! Here is such a clarification!
          By the way: current people want something unusual (expect) from Putin! And Putin is doing more a lot more than any Brezhnev!
          Putin and his assistants are not on that scale, and the opponents have become much more decent, and the people are not a socialist society !!!
          (the people are very diluted with greed, grabbers, money-grubbers, and in TOM society these words were the most offensive).
          SO sho! Who will you lead from .....!

          You are fundamentally wrong.
          Brezhnev - despite the artificially formed derogatory opinion about him, a statesman of great scale. Yes, during his reign there were no bright, odious events in which he would act as a hero. There were no world wars. But this, whatever one may say, should be considered an achievement. Perhaps, if the hot son of Kuzka's mother (Nikitka Khrushchev) had stayed at the helm, he would have dared to knock on the "red button" with his boot and knock. Ilyich was smarter, he did not bring the situation to a nuclear catastrophe. The economy grew under him, the army grew stronger, the social camp expanded. We lived steadily, confidently and without fear. The ideological repression of the masses did not shake the people. Although it was during his reign that the States came up with the famous phrase "We cannot defeat the USSR by military methods, this is an impregnable fortress." And a course was taken to destroy the USSR economically and ideologically, from within. It was then that Brzezinski presented his "brilliant" ideas on the formation of a fifth column in our country, and support for our "rats" - dissidents began. Ideological undermining also caused those stingy counter-measures of the KGB (bans on some foreign rock bands, etc.), which were only a slight echo of the Stalinist struggle for ideology. But the margin of safety was so huge that the usual way of life seemed indestructible. The death of Brezhnev was precisely perceived with alarm precisely because it was perceived as a violation of this period of stability.

          Brezhnev’s mistake probably should be considered only that he did not free his place on time. He did not prepare a young (relatively) successor, did not ensure a smooth transfer of power to the new generation. Like in China.

          But to be honest, it was not so simple there. The Politburo is a collective body, and the General Secretary is not a tsar. Brezhnev could not make decisions on his own, and the PB members who were standing behind him in line to steer would not let the "youth" go ahead of themselves. And so the "geriatric parade" turned out, a kaleidoscope of dying mastodons ...

          And then came the hunchbacked - in time the Americans fussed, shoved their agent.
          I read that they had recruited a young party nomenclaturer long before, in 1966, in Italy, where the "tagged" was with his wife. http://mihooy.livejournal.com/99090.html
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            -1
            11 November 2012 23: 02
            Rink,
            Quote: Skating rink
            statesman of the great
            this scale was significantly outweighed by this:
            Quote: Skating rink
            didn't free his place on time.
            ! (all the same as = if Kutuzov had not defeated Napoleon, he would not have to wait for mercy). The end result is important!
            1. 0
              11 November 2012 23: 29
              this scale was significantly outweighed by this:

              Verbiage.

              Any great figure has mistakes.
              The same Napoleon, for example ... He wouldn’t have climbed to Russia, would not have met Kutuzov. But he climbed, and ended up at St. Helena - this is precisely his mistake. Nevertheless, the fact that Napoleon is a great figure of his period has not yet come to anybody’s mind to dispute.
              ALL the great politicians and generals were mistaken, some lost their lives and / or empires because of these mistakes. But even to this day they are remembered; some are loved and respected by almost everyone.

              And we all somehow ideal and faultlessness are required - qualities that do not exist in real life.

              Only youthful maximalism can make such demands; only a childish view of life gives rise to such judgments. And Brezhnev’s mistakes do not cross out his merits.
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                -1
                12 November 2012 09: 15
                Rink,
                Quote: Skating rink
                perfect and faultless

                And look from a different angle! It turns out like this: Gorbachev is a great figure?
                Well, how did he want (WANTED!), To free us from drunkenness, and to marry us from the USA, to end the war, etc. DID NOT WORK OUT!
                So what? It doesn’t matter what I didn’t, it’s important that I wanted, tried?
                So EBN, too, was filled with good intentions! And who did not want to?
                And Hitler wanted to make the Germans the MAJOR nation on earth. And the Germans were (in the majority) not against it!

                Quote: Skating rink
                Ideality and infallibility are required - qualities that do not exist in real life.

                NO! Minimum error required with significant achievements
                under the direction of!
                Kutuzov gave Moscow but won the war! He retreated, retreated all the time of the war, but retained the army, exhausted the enemy and defeated! GREAT!
                Brezhnev arranged in the country MUCH! The country has drunk, morally decomposed, collapsed! Great??? hi
          2. vardex
            0
            12 November 2012 11: 59
            Yes, and no one recruited them. they themselves were asking in the long run for this recruitment. they were simply traitors to such people in the USSR and it was now not measured ....
      3. MG42
        +3
        10 November 2012 23: 47
        Leonid Ilyich in the 2nd minute of the video forgot about the translator and did not pause for 5 minutes, the translator scribbled everything smile but the English-speaking guests understood everything. All OK! wink
        1. +1
          12 November 2012 02: 28
          Absolutely correct behavior of a world-class power politician! This only emphasized the next who is who! Today the head of the Russian Railways Yakunin "scratches" on "amerovoski". The status must be kept. And at the same time, it is imperative to pursue a nationally oriented policy!
      4. 0
        11 November 2012 22: 39
        The current leaders look very finely against this background.
      5. 0
        12 November 2012 01: 29
        ATTENTION!

        The entire Brezhnev video is shown in close-up. But! When he utters the words - "your went to the moon" the camera pulls back . (at the 4 minute). This is because Brezhnev knew very well that the amers did not go to the moon Yes .. so that there is no noticeable change in facial expressions when a person tells a lie.


        This is a complicated story. Great political game. Brezhnev was (at first) sharply against such lies. Even before the start of the Apollo program.
        For brevity, I will say this - the Fifth Column tried to persuade him. The arguments were given very well. a lot of. But only the following argument had an effect on Brezhnev: - he was told ... "Leonid Ilyich! Yes, let the Americans shoot at least a landing on Mars in Hollywood. We will always have time to expose it! This is the best reason for political blackmail! The Americans are here! .. (here Brezhnev was shown a vigorously bent arm at the elbow).

        But things did not go a bit as expected. The Americans launched a powerful propaganda .. filmed as many as six "expeditions" in Hollywood .. And in general .. Once agreeing ... then it's hard to back down. fool But we still got the "wool clump" from this story.
        Everyone knows that amers hurriedly and suddenly evacuated .. more precisely, just fled from Vietnam. They fled, throwing both people and equipment.
        This is because at that moment our lunar rover landed on the moon and stood 17 kilometers from the place where amers allegedly landed on the moon. And only after the evacuation of the Amers from Vietnam, the Lunokhod moved in the other direction from the place of the alleged "landing" of the Amers.

        So it goes .. sad It was a huge strategic miscalculation.

        PS If anyone still believes in the American fairy tale about the moon, I advise you to talk with a real specialist - the designer of rocketry. The Saturn rocket was capable of delivering only 9 tons of cargo to a lunar orbit. To ensure the lunar expedition, she was not able to. And Amer went on a bluff.
        1. +1
          12 November 2012 01: 48
          Revised the video specially! I saw nothing unusual. Our dear Leonid Ilyich could not have had such artistic abilities in 1975! And there was no such technique for editing a frame yet. And if there was a firm conviction that there was no "American Moon", Brezhnev would first of all be presented with everything as it should be! And most of all for today I trust Boris Evseevich Chertok, who passed away at the age of 100. He, as the patriarch of astronautics, gave a clear confirmation that the Yankees were on the moon ... "It's sad, but true." Let's be able to lose!
          1. Alex 241
            +1
            12 November 2012 01: 55
            A great man, and a great brain, now there are none like that, he devoted his whole life to science and the country. In life, he is the most modest man. The era ..............
            1. 0
              12 November 2012 02: 05
              PATRIARCH !!! A deep bow to his merits!
              1. Alex 241
                0
                12 November 2012 02: 11
                The film was watched about him, no words, the smartest person.
          2. 0
            12 November 2012 03: 44
            Quote: studentmati
            the Yankees were on the moon ... "Sad but true." Let's be able to lose!

            If you think that offense drives me, you are mistaken. If the Americans really were on the moon .. the first would congratulate and be happy.

            Student. I asked to consult a specialist whom you know personally. And trust completely.

            From Wikipedia. Boris Evseevich Chertok, born in a poor Jewish family ...

            Remember, student. According to Shulkhan-Arukh, a Talmudic Jew is allowed any lie if it is beneficial to the Jews and harms the gentiles. And so the USSR .. and specifically Brezhnev was terribly unloved by the Jews.

            under Brezhnev, the "fifth column" permeated almost all areas of our activity. Unfortunately for us. And so is rocketry.

            However ... I do not know the exact reason why Chertok told a lie .. Maybe his last name obliged? lol

            And I'm not going to argue. I argued my question .. especially on the so-called. "Lunar program".

            He who wants to really find the truth does not seek comfortable authoritative opinions. All technical data for the Saturn 5 rocket is available. See and calculate for yourself.

            PS Brezhnev knew that the Americans were filming allegedly "landing on the moon." Knew this bluff back in 67
            1. 0
              12 November 2012 04: 18
              You puzzled me! Although without presenting arguments! I will try to clarify the indicated problem. Be sure to unsubscribe! Thank!
    3. sefirs
      0
      10 November 2012 18: 05
      I agree with you 100%
    4. nickname 1 and 2
      -18
      10 November 2012 19: 32
      Yarbay,
      Not at all! There were just other people! It was the GUARD of the Communists who truly believed in a holy cause! They were watching! They instructed! Charged with their behavior. If Kosygin were given the opportunity to bring their ideas a little, everything would be different.
      Brezhnev had to choke first and then go crazy!
      This is the world economy "telepathically" at the level of the USSR, and not, the USSR was superior to the world economy! It was "Reigonomics" that imposed the rate of development of the USSR, not the "outstanding" Brezhnev! etc. Suslov.
      No need to "powder" the story!
      The same "talentless" Khrushch (well, or something like him) is just as energetic - he would have propelled the USSR far and would not have happened!
      1. Yarbay
        +8
        10 November 2012 19: 50
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Brezhnev had to choke first and then go crazy!

        Write nonsense!
      2. Karish
        -1
        10 November 2012 20: 04
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        It was the GUARD of the Communists who truly believed in a holy cause! They were watching! They instructed! Charged with their behavior.

        Yes, I remember * chargers * from Astrakhan. We arrived at the construction team for watermelons in '85. Somehow, the secretary of the district committee arrived, inspired us with a speech (before we put him into former sheep’s nightmares), and then every night they hacked him, KAMAZ was loaded with watermelons and sent to Moscow
        1. +1
          10 November 2012 21: 52
          And what does Brezhnev have to do with it? It is stupid to set an example of the "bad era" of some unknown secretary of a seedy rural district committee.
          1. Karish
            0
            10 November 2012 23: 18
            Quote: Oleg the Great
            And what does Brezhnev have to do with it? It is stupid to set an example of the "bad era" of some unknown secretary of a seedy rural district committee.

            And so, nothing has changed. After all, everything that is happening in the country of Putin has nothing to do with it !!!!!!!!!!!! good
            As 300 years ago they believed in a good king, it remained. Yes, you can’t crush genes with your finger.
            1. 0
              11 November 2012 09: 45
              And where does the belief in a good king? As they stole at all times, they steal. And in all countries without exception. Somewhere more, somewhere less. And under Peter, and under Stalin, and under Putin. Both in China and in the USA. Only for some reason, it is believed that in our country this is a bad ruler, And in the West, no one criticizes rulers for stealing officials.
      3. +1
        10 November 2012 20: 29
        Started for health, finished for peace.
  4. Spooky
    -20
    10 November 2012 15: 03
    It was under him that the USSR made the most important mistake in all 74 years of its existence - it started a war in Afghanistan! Brezhnev, suslov, andropov, loudly, ustinov - "the magnificent five", all representatives of one nation decided to build developed socialism in a country where the 14th century is on the calendar! For 9 years 1 month, over 13 people died!
    1. mar.tira
      +21
      10 November 2012 15: 29
      Quote: Spooky
      USSR made the most important mistake

      What are you, Lord God! In order to decide for yourself where there were mistakes and where not. That you all imagine yourself to be great strategists and reformers .. Your thoughts are just the result of the complete zombie of our media by the American special services during the years of perestroika. They all told you that this was a mistake, and the CIA provocation. And I think not. And we are convinced of this now. By giving and giving up everything that was so hard to achieve .. You are afraid for yourself. China is already on the verge. Do not want the army to protect your interests abroad, you yourself will be attacked, you consider everything that has been done, and your government is doing wrong and harmful. You will not be anyone! You counted our losses at 13 thousand, and military losses. People gave their lives for the well-being of the motherland that later betrayed them. how many died after the collapse of the country, and how? So your thoughts are the links of one chain that have brought us down as a state. If you proceed from your logic, then when breaking the Soviet-Chinese border in Kazakhstan in 1969, we also had to leave! Why do we need to get in trouble? After all, this is another territory of South Kazakhstan, not Russia?
      1. Spooky
        -13
        10 November 2012 16: 44
        These are not my words, as one Russian professor in Russia 24 said so! He said so, Mujahideen on Arab sites have been shouting for a long time, we have destroyed the USSR! Yes, the fighting was not only on the lake on the border of Kazakhstan and the People's Republic of China in 1969, but the fighting in Daman, which, incidentally, was given in the nineties !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have been living with China for 500 years already, there were clashes, but we have not lost our lands! You have no more than 20 million people living in the Urals before Shikotan, and there are 16 million 853 of us, on October 1, 2012, on February 1, 2009 exactly 16 million people, by 2020 there will be more than 18 million people! On February 15, 1989, the troops withdrew, and on December 25, 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed! Even 2 years have not passed!
        1. sefirs
          0
          10 November 2012 18: 15
          what do you weave numbers in which you absolutely do not understand anything.
          just to fart ... fellow
        2. vaddy72
          0
          16 November 2012 20: 56
          Kazakhs are my friends, with the exception of Russophobes like you. Especially for such I answer your opus:
          1. Pug also barked that the elephant had won. If it were not for the betrayal of the top, the USSR would not fall apart and would not leave Afghanistan. And the perfume screaming on the sites has nothing to do with it.
          2. You do not live with China for 500 years, but the Russian Empire and the USSR, which saved you from China and other predators, from historical nonexistence and gave you territory that formed your state and industrial base.
          4. If there is a technical base for the destruction of China and Japan, they will not encroach on the territory beyond the Urals, even if there is no one left at all. WHAT DO YOU NOT SAY ABOUT KAZAKHSTAN. Why are you glad, already drooling? HOW DO YOU THINK WHERE CHINA WILL POSSIBLE ON A COUNTRY THAT WILL WIPE IT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH OR ON A SECURE STATE WITHOUT AN ARMY WITH A HUGE TERRITORY AND A LOT OF RESOURCES? Guess 3 times?
          3. Kazakhs only 10 million.
          The rest are:
          - The Slavs, whom you turned into enemies of your own statehood, ousting them to the sidelines of life, instead of giving everyone equal rights and making them a loyal group. Many are just waiting for the hour when Russia will give a sign to rise. The fact that the Slavs do not rise openly does not mean that they are loyal - an oppressed, in fact, group of population cannot be loyal. In addition, all the charms of the new Kazakhstan - powerlessness, defenselessness, corruption, Kazakh justice, the constant threat of linguistic oppression, etc., do not contribute to the Kazakh patriotism of the Slavs. Most of them in the north are waiting;
          - Uzbeks who do not differ in love for the Kazakhs. No, I'm not saying that they will seize the moment when it arrives and tear the south. No, they know that in Uzbekistan they are second-class people - they won’t run there. BUT THEY ARE APOLITICAL. THEY TRADE ON THE BAZARAS AND SIT IN MOSQUES THERE NO MORE THAN ANYTHING. EDUCATION AND SCIENCE AND NOT HONOR THEM. That is, as a creative one. force or defenders, you can’t count on them. They will not disappear under any authority - they will trade. THIS IS BALLAST.
          - This also applies to the majority of Azerbaijanis, whom there is darkness;
          - Uigurs are direct enemies of the Kazakhs, dreaming of their statehood on its territory, because in China it does not shine;
          - Armenians are more likely loyal to Russia than to Kazakhstan;
          - Other Caucasians (the North Caucasus - Chechens, Dagestanis of different nationalities, etc. - are not a predictable mass at all. How they behave when they press it is not clear .;
          1. Spooky
            0
            17 November 2012 12: 45
            the population of Russia in 2010 was 141.9 million people, and in 1996, 148 .3 million - the numbers are even pleasing! I visited in the north of Kazakhstan, one expat told me that the architecture of the city resembles the gulag! He was not Kazakh, not Russian, did not speak Russian at all! You have all bad nationalities, blaming your troubles on strangers is in the blood! No wonder you have non-stop attacks! On August 28, 2012, Alla Soprykina committed a terrorist attack in Dagestan, becoming the fourth Russian suicide bomber! Before that, she had 4 (!!!!!!!) husbands, three of whom were killed!
            1. vaddy72
              0
              19 November 2012 16: 27
              Who is nodding at others? Look at yourself, you have a lot of complaints against everyone - bad ores, Uzbeks - sarts, bad, bad Uyghurs, Azerbaijanis - Persians, bad, etc. etc. All around are to blame, some Kazakhs are right. Che, isn’t it? And they shot their own in Uzen, like sheep, they drove the people into poverty .. But all the bad ones. What attacks do you blame? Look at Kazakhstan - in Almaty there is war, in Aktyubinsk war, in Atyrau war, in Taraz war, in Mangistau war, border guards are shot, or not? You, Russophobe, I want to ask you - when the whalers trample, where will you break? Will your expats protect you? Or will you call Vanya for help again? Only Vanya for free will no longer help ..
        3. vaddy72
          0
          16 November 2012 21: 25
          Separately about the Kazakhs. The bulk is the people driven into the Middle Ages. and the Kazakhs themselves drove him there. Since the days of the USSR, Kazakhs have degraded in a very strong way - the technical and scientific intelligentsia has been lost, and motivation has changed. Now it’s not prestigious to be a scientist, but a grabber an official or a prosecutor, to ride a Lexus. And whoever does not have such an opportunity (almost everyone has it) - into the mud, to the bazaars. And the people already have a normal attitude towards this - and Che, in the steppe it has always been like that - black bone and white bone. The Kazakhs slipped into clan relations and find out who are the clans, and on this basis they divide - this buy (albeit stupid), this slave (albeit smart). THIS WILDNESS, YOU WILL NOT SELECT YOURSELF. The kind of life that you have revived does not give you a chance to get out, because it does not allow young people to develop and learn - there is no time - you need to observe customs, then arrange constantly, and sit in the mosque for a look. In such an atmosphere, your youth is dying, and the nation is degrading. But no one sees this - the crowding out of the Slavs and their own exaltation led to the loss of self-criticism. Most young people have no idea what is going on outside the borders of Kazakhstan, many have not seen anything except their villages. Corresponding to this, a new mentality (Kyrgyz even go to Russia to earn money - they see how much). The results are obvious - there is no development, no education, no science, no industry - everything rests on oil. When it ends - all the khan. And not a khan, but a khan. Plus to that. even inter-juvenile hatred, Western Kazakhstani separatism, tyranny of southerners and the hostility of others to them ... Thus, the Kazakhs themselves are a socially divided ethnic group with conflicting interests and internal disputes, and Kazakhstan is a short-lived non-viable and defenseless state with poor prospects. So with what fright did you rush to bury Russia, instead of honestly and truthfully looking at your country?
          1. Spooky
            0
            17 November 2012 12: 51
            Absolutely true thoughts ........................................ to the Russians: 1st Civil War 1918 -22 years representatives of one nation rapturously drenched such representatives of such a nation! And how many feature films have been staged! 2nd war: October 3-4, 1993, the T80 gas turbine tank under the control of the Russians moistened the white house where some Russians settled, one of the leaders was a Caucasian!
            None of the 15 republics of the Soviet of Deputies crawled up to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Moldova until 2020 will be annexed to the European Union, as even our local newspapers write, the author is from the USA .............................. .yuri sigov (RUSSIAN)! Georgia is also a NATO member until 2020. Well, maybe later!
            1. vaddy72
              0
              19 November 2012 16: 32
              Georgia rolled out. and roll it out again. And Moldova, your beloved, will not escape your fate if you rock it. Who wants a Russian tank - welcome to the anti-Russian club of the future dead. am Moldavians are still warriors. Like the Georgians. Making wine is their business. Such allies for NATO-a gift to Russia ..
              1. Spooky
                0
                24 November 2012 15: 18
                141 million Russia with a millionth army rolled out 4 million Georgia with 30 thousand army! Maybe now you will transfer May 9 to April 13 and you will conduct schizophrenia in the form of parades! Moldova does not border you! Ukraine will still flee to the west! 170 votes - Fatherland, strike and freedom (grandchildren of Stepan Bandera)! Impotence is increasing every year! So you are mad! Magnitsky’s law - tragedy - of the Russian people, if such a law is adopted, where to hide the capital and where to run? Europe will join him soon! By 2020, the third Euro-ABM positional area will start playing at its full potential! In September, in the parking lot at 7.30 in the morning I saw a black BMW 7 Series and not just a black boomer, with numbers 197 (Moscow) F01 / 02. No sober Muscovite will go by car at a price of 130 thousand euros to the semi-feudal .............. Ichkeria, just will not get there! And he came to us, but after all, to the border of 850 miles in a straight line or 2500 miles to Moscow, in any case ......... 3.5 hours by plane! But there were 194, 51 and 34, all numbers are non-local with the Rassian flag! On your TV channel Russia to conduct the day, the exchange rates of only 4 countries show: omnipotent dollar, weak Euro, hryvnia and ................ tenge! You need us more than you do! It’s better to crush the resistance in the Caucasus, otherwise the war is already going on .................................. 200 years! Even Lermontov wrote a poem (170 years ago!) Of some kind about an evil abrek who sharpens his sharp dagger! ))))))))))))))))))))))
                1. vaddy72
                  0
                  27 November 2012 16: 41
                  1. And if Georgia is so weak, was the Hurley rocking the boat? Do not wake a dare while it is quiet. A lesson to NATO mongrels. 2. Moldova borders with the Russian Transnistria, which fought with Moldova and won, in defiance of the traitors Yeltsin and Gorbatom. And if Moldovans trample on Transnistria again, with what they threaten, and where the Russian contingent stands, they will get lule. 3. The West East will flee west and the Crimea, who hate them, will return to Russia. And the Westerners will be divided by Poland, which, with the consent of Europe, will take away its ancestral lands (Lviv, Volyn, Rivne, Ternopol, Ivano Frankivsk ..), Hungary and Romania. who are now distributing their passports in Bessarabia. And there will remain Bandera nits in Kiev, Zhytomyr and Vinnitsa - they will now hate Poland. 4. The Law of Magnitsky is the law of the cunning Saxons, which is designed to influence our fat consumers, holding property in shatas. But this has already reacted to the State Duma by banning officials from owning property there. And whoever doesn’t want to - let him go there. The fewer traitors, the better. The missile defense position area will be demolished by tactical nuclear weapons, before launching ballistic missiles, together with the countries that hosted this. And the sea-based missiles your favorite 3rd district do not care at all. And the Caucasus will be suppressed when Rogozin becomes president. You would say thank you to the Russians that they are crushing this muck, and so this evil would be here all rushed to build a caliphate. would handle them? Oh, Russophobia, why are you so stupid?
                  1. BRATISHKA
                    0
                    27 November 2012 16: 51
                    LOL :) Oh, what smart guys you are)
          2. Spooky
            0
            24 November 2012 15: 03
            Where are we to the advanced Kirghiz - Osh 1990, Osh 2010 - an endless soap opera about Kyrgyz-Uzbek love!
    2. sefirs
      +16
      10 November 2012 16: 34
      Sorry, I don’t know what year you were born?
      But to write GROMYKO, USTINOV with a small letter is nonsense!
      You would at least take an interest and then learn that Dmitry Fedorovich was the head of the People’s Commissariat of Defense at the age of 30 (well, there’s a plus or minus)
      You are most likely the same age.
      You to Ustinov-like to Beijing cancer .....
      Sorry, sorry ....
      1. Brother Sarych
        +5
        10 November 2012 18: 33
        I think that much further ...
        Ustinov is still the Stalinist Commissar ...
      2. +6
        10 November 2012 21: 23
        Quote: sefirs
        You would at least take an interest and then learn that Dmitry Fedorovich was the head of the People’s Commissariat of Defense at the age of 30 (well, there’s a plus or minus


        At the age of 38, two weeks before the war, Ustinov was appointed Minister of Defense Industry from the position of director of the Bolshevik plant (Obukhov plant, where the first Soviet tractors and tanks were manufactured) in Leningrad. Prior to this appointment, he rose from a locksmith to a plant director. From engineer- constructor to the Minister.
        Quote: sefirs
        You are most likely the same age.
        You are up to Ustinov - like up to Beijing cancer.

        I agree +
    3. sefirs
      +7
      10 November 2012 18: 10
      [hide] [/ hide]
      Quote: Spooky
      suslov, andropov, loudly, ustinov - "a magnificent five


      Spooky KZ
      These are people from the really "great five"
      You live in a completely different dimension, you, excuse me, HAMLO, who does not know modern history at all
    4. alex_ololo)
      0
      11 November 2012 15: 42
      and in Chechnya so much died in a year .. (
  5. +7
    10 November 2012 15: 14
    In any case, there was no such mess as now.
    1. sefirs
      +4
      10 November 2012 16: 38
      I agree, Comrade Colonel!
      There was no such mess.
      1. -1
        10 November 2012 21: 50
        Comrade Sergeant!
        There was another dr-bar-r-r-duck !!! ;)))
  6. Kaa
    +9
    10 November 2012 15: 19
    “During this time, according to the researchers, the foundation was laid for the future collapse of the Soviet Union, both political and economic”. - A. maybe it all began with the Khrushchev coup and its “rehabilitation”, “debunking the personality cult” and so on? “Some say that these were years of prosperity for our state, literally the“ golden age ”, when there were no global internal upheavals, and the citizens of the now defunct country were completely satisfied with their economic situation.” Well, even billionaires sometimes feel ... slightly deprived, we lacked jeans and cola, and the Americans - Cuban cigars! “Brezhnev’s first step was to strengthen his position - to appoint the most loyal people to leadership positions in the state”: I don’t know who, how, I’m used to relying on like-minded friends, on those who will not let you down at a crucial moment. “Many statesmen could hold leadership positions for more than ten years in one agency” Well, I don’t know if a person is in his place, does he have to leave somewhere and re-learn a new profession? In Japan, it is considered honorable if a person has worked in one corporation all his life, do these firms tend to stagnate? “Nevertheless, in all production indicators, the Soviet Union gradually caught up with the United States of America. The leaders failed only to meet the food needs of the population. ” It is interesting, but Saudi Arabia, Norway, that they provide themselves with all the food, the author does not know that most of the USSR is in the “risky farming” zone, that in most territories there are desert forests, swamps, mountains? “But, paradoxically, it was during the reign of Leonid Ilyich that the army reached its greatest power in the entire history of the USSR” And what, in fact, is a paradox? "And the channels flowed where necessary, and at the end, where necessary, flowed." Remembering the war, he and his generation of leaders did everything, or almost everything, so that it wouldn’t happen again on 22.06.41, that’s all ... that’s where the concern for the army and the defense industry is. "Leonid Ilyich until the last day did not want to allow the possibility of a military invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, the introduction of troops in Afghanistan in 1979." Well, earlier the radicalization of Afghanistan, our southern borders and drug trafficking would have begun, instead of the Polish “Solidarity” breaking up the Warsaw Treaty, they would have talked about the role of the “Prague Spring” in the collapse that could have begun earlier. "Although now many rightly reproach Brezhnev for having organized persecution of all dissidents under him." Where did they come out in the late 80s, if they were "poisoned"? “Also, the Brezhnev era is associated with an increase in the level of alcohol consumption by the population, the criminalization of society and the growth of suicides” And did not try to compare with similar phenomena + drugs in the same years in the West, try, I recommend. “Brezhnev was not a stupid person, but unlike his predecessors, he did not possess the qualities that would enable him to use all the achievements achieved in the course of ongoing political and economic measures to strengthen the country's power” - this only applies to one predecessor - Stalin, about the rest - "... or nothing." What is the “bottom line”? And he did not find a worthy successor ... for twenty years, there would be a different country and a different world history.
    1. Brother Sarych
      +5
      10 November 2012 18: 31
      In principle - yes, I myself think something like that ...
  7. Spooky
    -16
    10 November 2012 15: 27
    But there were still missing people - more than 300 people, almost all of them were martyred, poor guys !!!!!!!!!!!!! Some are still tormented there .......................................... in captivity !
    1. sefirs
      0
      10 November 2012 16: 44
      Spooky,
      Quote: Spooky
      But there were still missing people - more than 300 people, almost all of them were martyred, poor guys !!!!!!!!!!!!! Some are still tormented there .......................................... in captivity !
  8. snek
    +2
    10 November 2012 15: 29
    Sometimes you need to be able to leave on time
    1. Brother Sarych
      +3
      10 November 2012 18: 30
      Not sometimes, but you must always leave on time!
  9. +9
    10 November 2012 15: 49
    Brezhnev is a man of the era. Brezhnev is when we really breathed the USA in the back of our head and, unlike the Americans, we had no trillion debts.
  10. ivan.semenov26
    0
    10 November 2012 15: 53
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    F%6D%2F%62%6C%6F%67%5D%20%70%6C%61%6E%65%20%61%6E%64%20%70%72%65%70%61%72%65%20%
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  11. -2
    10 November 2012 16: 04
    Quote: mar.tira
    What are you, Lord God! To decide for yourself where there were mistakes and where not. That you all imagine yourself to be great strategists and reformers.

    There’s nothing to add +

    Quote: olegyurjewitch
    In any case, there was no such mess as now.

    It was still coca. Just the media were under supervision.
  12. Yankuz
    +16
    10 November 2012 16: 57
    The only thing worth regretting is that Brezhnev did not find, did not bring up a decent receiver. Maybe all this mess that is now in the country and in the world would not exist. The USSR would continue to develop - on the wreckage of the United States and at the expense of the United States.
    1. sefirs
      +3
      10 November 2012 19: 36
      Your truth, dear Yankuz
      HOW YOUNG SPEAK YOU +1500!
  13. +9
    10 November 2012 17: 03
    I think the modern leaders of Russia are no match for people of that era, and in particular Brezhnev. The present only obscure the past and they don’t even notice how they themselves were scolded ...
    1. sefirs
      +2
      10 November 2012 19: 42
      plus a million!
  14. Spooky
    -17
    10 November 2012 17: 13
    And that nothing is written about his daughter - Galina! Was a real teetotaler - be healthy!
    1. Yarbay
      +4
      10 November 2012 17: 35
      Quote: Spooky
      And that nothing is written about his daughter - Galina! Was a real teetotaler - be healthy!

      Sometimes children break their hearts to parents, but now everyone knows that Leonid Ilyich did not encourage his daughter’s actions and his colleagues tried to hide a lot from him so as not to hurt !!
      In general, the greatness of Brezhnev’s organizational abilities is also evidenced by the fact that in his mature years he selected staff and associates !!
      1. Spooky
        -14
        10 November 2012 17: 43
        I completely agree! What magnificent shots did he pick up for himself in the Politburo - all young and healthy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I even want to envy! Recently I saw a film about Afghanistan - caravan hunters called there, heroes, they spoke very well about them, associates in the Politburo !!!!!!!!!!!! about his associates !!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. +13
          10 November 2012 17: 48
          and then young and healthy came and with all their enthusiasm and cheerful song they hrenacled the country into the abyss
          1. Spooky
            -13
            10 November 2012 17: 58
            Even if they would have remained, all the same - everything fell apart! Now, in general, an athlete and a master of martial arts, and the Baltic states in NATO and the European Union, Russians in London are at least 200 thousand! The country, the capital of which was named the only one in the Soviet Navy - an aircraft carrier - flees with its pants in NATO! They even managed to fight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          2. sefirs
            +3
            10 November 2012 18: 23
            Quote: Ruslan67
            then they came young and healthy, and with all their enthusiasm and cheerful song hrenacled the country into the abyss

            That's right, Mr. Colonel!
            Everything is fucked up.
        2. Yarbay
          +8
          10 November 2012 17: 55
          Quote: Spooky

          I completely agree! What magnificent shots did he pick up for himself in the Politburo - all young and healthy

          No need to exaggerate, these people were chosen young for senior positions !!
          Over the years, a person has this feature - to grow old, and not get younger !!
          And the fact that even in old age Brezhnev did not abandon his comrades-in-arms only speaks of his wonderful human qualities !!
          Although I agree that he himself and some of his comrades stayed in office, but at that time there were still no examples of another administration!
          Quote: Spooky
          Recently I saw a film about Afghan - caravan hunters are called there, the heroes, they were very well responded to by their comrades in the Politburo!

          And you do not watch such films !!!
          1. Spooky
            -9
            10 November 2012 18: 01
            So about Afghanistan there are only two films - this and the 9th company !!!!!!!!!!!!!! About the war in Vietnam - it’s full - one Oscar even grabbed, that is, two!
            1. +6
              10 November 2012 18: 18
              so do not look at any!
              1. Spooky
                -7
                10 November 2012 18: 39
                So after all, ours died there! Our guys !!!!!!!!!!!!! Our! Then do not watch films about the 1941–45 war ???????????????? It still looks like nonsense!
        3. +8
          10 November 2012 21: 40
          Spooky,

          Meanwhile, if industry and infrastructure had not inherited from Brezhnev, Russia simply could not have survived the era of the 1990s; everything, due to which the country lasted, was born precisely in the USSR: oil wells, gas pipelines, and power lines. Everything was created by the efforts of our people under the leadership of the CPSU and its supreme body, Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee
          How, interestingly, it turned out that it was in the "stagnant" time, under the leadership of Brezhnev’s cadres, that the USSR reached the top of its economic development and strategic domination? Why in those years was a gigantic industrial and intellectual breakthrough made? Has your living standards dramatically increased? Have you started many social programs? Has mass housing construction and housing reform begun?
          The result of the three Brezhnev five-year plans was 1,6 billion square meters of new buildings: 44% of the total housing stock of the USSR. 161 million people have moved to new homes.
          Only one match. By the end of 1968, 68% of apartment buildings were provided with sewage, 66% with central heating. And in 1980 - after 12 years - already 90% of apartments will be sewer, 80% will be gasified, 87% will be heated by central heating.
          2/3 of the infrastructure of cities and towns - read, all the housing and communal services of the country - was created precisely under Brezhnev. Its total cost is such that even the current economy is not able to contain such a colossal elementary. Were it not for this inheritance, housing in the 1990s would simply collapse; not a penny was invested in repairs and maintenance. At Brezhnev’s reserves they somehow reached the Putin leap.
          During the years of his reign, the volume of GDP tripled (on average - by 10,8% per year
          All the countless stories about Brezhnev’s anti-intellectuality, primitiveness, lightness - nothing more than another myth. )
          Now no one remembers, but it was with his arrival that many important social decisions were made.
          With a six-day work week, the country switched to a five-day week. May 9 and March 8 were holiday dates, and veterans and families of the victims received numerous benefits. Collective farmers have established pensions and guaranteed salaries, issued passports, canceled workdays. The retirement age has been reduced to the current limit (women - 55, men - 60). Salaries, pensions and child benefits are increased.
          The minimum wage - the minimum wage - in 1971 increased to 70 rubles; this money was enough for ordinary life. Incomes up to 70 rubles were not taxed at all. Taxes on minimum wages (up to 90 rubles) were reduced by 35,5%. But the money earned abroad, Soviet citizens were almost entirely obliged to donate to the state. True, the tax on childlessness was not very thoughtful, but it did not significantly affect the bachelor’s financial situation.

          Brezhnev could well remain in the people's memory, as a tsar-soothing, a tsar-creator - he resigned on time. Under Brezhnev-later - the country rolled downhill. The tragedy of the collapse of the individual turned into a tragedy of a multi-million country
          1. Kaa
            +3
            10 November 2012 22: 42
            Quote: Ascetic
            Russia simply could not survive the era of the 1990s; everything, due to which the country lasted, was born precisely in the USSR: oil wells, and gas pipelines, and power lines. Everything was created by the efforts of our people under the leadership of the CPSU and its supreme body, Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee

            Paradoxically ... but the fact is that there would not have been so many billionaires who seized this good, the whole world would not have fun at the trial of Berezovsky against Abramovich, Chelsea could fall apart due to underfunding, but you never know what laughing
            1. 0
              10 November 2012 23: 17
              Quote: Kaa
              Paradoxically ... but the fact is that there would not have been so many billionaires who seized this good, the whole world would not have fun at the trial of Berezovsky against Abramovich, Chelsea could fall apart due to underfunding, but you never know what

              But Brezhnev is here sideways.
      2. mar.tira
        0
        11 November 2012 07: 00
        Quote: Yarbay
        Brezhnev also speaks about the greatness of organizational abilities as in his mature years he selected staff and associates !!

        It’s up to you to see the eastern mentality speak, to express your thoughts in ambiguous phrases. That would not offend both yours and ours! Thank you for that!
    2. sefirs
      +5
      10 November 2012 18: 21
      Quote: Spooky
      And that nothing is written about his daughter - Galina!

      only the lazy did not write about it!
      No one will write about your drunkenness, Spooky.
      Because you are a jerk, even in comparison with Galina. There is no question about Leonid Ilyich. You all want his glory! But no!
      1. Spooky
        -6
        10 November 2012 20: 09
        So I do not drink - in general! Nostalgia for wheat at 2 rubles 20 kopecks (I could be wrong, otherwise they will call names again) - I do not suffer!
        1. +4
          11 November 2012 08: 03
          Quote: Spooky

          So I do not drink - in general!

          It would be better to drink ..... and smoke.
          Quote: Spooky
          2 rubles 20 kopecks (I could be wrong

          "Wheat" - 5 rubles. 30kop You are too young and have no moral right to condemn the time (and those people) in which you did not live.
          How can you judge Brezhnev if you don’t know basic things.
          Stop exposing the country's history in a negative light. There were mistakes, there were flaws, but what about them, but there were much more positive ones.
    3. Brother Sarych
      +10
      10 November 2012 18: 29
      Not everyone is lucky with children! Things happen...
      Now it’s even amusing to recall that for some reason she was not appointed either the first secretary of the regional committee, or the minister, or even the academician of all the academies ...
  15. Kyki57
    -3
    10 November 2012 17: 30
    Good was the grandfather Brezhnev and his feast!
    1. ivan_stepanch
      +2
      10 November 2012 18: 25
      foul of all, talkative, your Anatoly Borisovich-creature Chubais
    2. sefirs
      0
      10 November 2012 18: 26
      Quote: Kyki57
      Good was the grandfather Brezhnev and his feast!

      Yes!
      For that time, Leonid Ilyich would be a wonderful way out of the past ....
      But age .... request
    3. mar.tira
      +1
      11 November 2012 07: 08
      Quote: Kyki57
      Good was the grandfather Brezhnev and his feast!

      And Russian people are always distinguished by their breadth of soul, generosity and try to please the guests. That is what self-serving peoples and countries use!
  16. ivan.semenov26
    0
    10 November 2012 18: 01
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  17. Spooky
    -7
    10 November 2012 18: 02
    The pension was only 40 rubles, in any case, my relatives received so much! Tickets, for example, to the capital of the USSR - 65 rubles! The dream is manly - fiat 124 - well, that is, a vaz 2106 - 9600 rubles !!!!!!!!!
    1. +7
      10 November 2012 18: 23
      Quote: Spooky
      The pension was only 40 rubles,

      You're lying the minimum pension in 70g. 72rub, 50kop. At the same time, for 1 rub, you could dine 3 times.
      1. Spooky
        -7
        10 November 2012 18: 32
        Why should I lie, we even have all the books preserved, even membership cards of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - all contributions and salaries and pieces of paper for the SOVIETSKY social security bill are indicated there!
        1. +4
          10 November 2012 18: 40
          So remember 50 g, and with 74 g min the pension is 72, p 50k
          1. Spooky
            -6
            10 November 2012 18: 53
            What 50 years, then people came out of the gulag !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last book entry was in 1991 or even earlier !!!!!!
        2. ivan_stepanch
          0
          10 November 2012 19: 18
          present the documents, and there we will study. but I'm sure you're a bastard, a jerk and a jerk.
          1. +1
            10 November 2012 21: 39
            but I'm sure you're a bastard, a jerk and a jerk.
            I did not read, but I condemn ....
            Maybe we will not water each other, but let's go on the topic?
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        -10
        10 November 2012 21: 12
        d.gksueyjd,
        Quote: d.gksueyjd
        At the same time, for 1 rub, you could dine 3 times.

        Chicken ??? In the collective farm canteen?
        1. +6
          11 November 2012 08: 18
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Chicken ??? In the collective farm canteen?

          Long time we with you, Nikolay did not argue.
          What kind of chicken are you talking about? Complex lunch in the working dining room - 32-34 pennies. At school - 24 penny Products without preservatives and GMOs
          Metro - 5 cop
          Trolleybus - 4 cop.
          Tram - 3 cop.
          The rent is "funny". Medicine is free. Clinical examination is annual and mandatory. Education is universal and free.
          Is this not enough for you?
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            -3
            11 November 2012 23: 23
            Normal,
            Complex?! And I drove the whole country, both far and wide! Only in St. Petersburg I was satisfied with the dinner! (and in the first a good piece of meat and on the second shish kebab on skewers St. = I was stunned, and in Gorky - I barely held the plates in my hands - so greasy (dirty i.e.) and so = slop and not food!)
            It was not in vain that I wrote - in the collective farm canteen = skilled (dexterous) leaders were able to establish food from the nearest collective farms (for mutual affairs), then there was a decent lunch - yes, for that kind of money!
            And in the transport "hares" were half!
            Quote: Normal
            Clinical examination annual and obligatory
            - this medical examination for whom medical examination is necessary - it did not reach me = I do not know!

            Quote: Normal
            Products without preservatives and GMOs
            - Well, this does not apply to the topic! Let’s put it this way: during Pushkin there were no exhaust gases, but there was a stench from manure, which covered both roads and streets!
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            0
            12 November 2012 09: 55
            Normal,
            Yes! Vladimir! It is not enough for me!
            So I wrote "Skating rink" and to YOU ​​in the same style: Kutuzov won Borodino, but retreated, and gave Moscow and saved the army and increased the fighting spirit! And he won the war! And what if he had not retreated, but put HEROISKI AND IN GLORY, the army and Russia would have fallen under the French for three hundred years ??? fool

            And what do you mean to me these "candy wrappers" (rolls) - 3 cop., 4 cop., Medicine is free, ....
            Khrushchev - free bread in the canteen! , every Soviet citizen a glass of wine before dinner ....... etc. And the people became bread (rolls) of cows to feed so that there was enough milk both for themselves and the market!
            No! In satiety, in laziness, are YOU a great leader, you keep your people, but you save it. SAVE! You have been trusted, put at the head, and not appointed TAMADA at the revel! There - save, and here - drink!
            In the country, empty shelves (some canned pollock, he, the whole union went round), the people - morally decomposed! And this is a great figure ???
            1. 0
              12 November 2012 22: 28

              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              and in the first a good piece of meat and on the second barbecue on skewers of St. = I was stunned

              Operation Y and Shurik's other adventures should not be taken for reality. It was only there that the 15-day-olds were fed barbecue, but in real life they were brought to us, in the working dining room, and unlike you, they did not complain.
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              I wrote for good reason - in the collective farm canteen

              Yes, it is in the collective farm canteen, but what do you have against?
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              then there was a decent dinner - yes, for the money!

              And when they brought lunch (and dinner, if necessary) into the field, they don’t feed them in the best restaurants today.
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              And in the transport "hares" were half!
              Well, this is of course Brezhnev's fault.
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              - this medical examination for whom medical examination is necessary - it did not reach me = I do not know!

              Do not come say? And in the 35-40 years of tuberculosis, you did not bend, is it because every year ALL who worked and their children were necessarily sent for fluorography? And now with your beloved and only tube in an open form is not uncommon.
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              but there was a stench from manure, which covered both roads and streets!

              Dung flavor is a symbol of purity.
              For a connoisseur nicer chanel.
              We grow out of manure like flowers.
              Like Leo Tolstoy from Gogol's "Overcoat"
              For urban dung, this is shit.
              We have a kilogram of manure
              Accounted for pearl grain
              Here in the necklace everything is like the Papuans
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Yes! Vladimir! It is not enough for me!

              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              Why are you these "candy wrappers"

              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              And the people became bread (rolls)

              Not enough for you? Bread for you "candy wrappers"? Did you raise him? From dawn to evening dawn, did the DT-75 shake in the cockpit? Have you swallowed dust for 18 hours in a row on the combine? Give him a kebab ...
              And only city pigeons were fed with rolls, and they bought rural compound feed from the left-handed drove. And cheaper and better.
              Quote: nick 1 and 2
              In the country, empty shelves (some canned pollock, he, the whole union went round), the people - morally decomposed! And this is a great figure ???

              There were empty shelves, and there were always green tomatoes. So half the world was fed. But you don’t need to lie about canned pollock. Under Lena there were all kinds of canned fish in bulk. There were almost no sausages and cheese, and canned goods to the ceiling in every store.
              And, of course, where is Brezhnev to the present ... Here is a tandem - this is "Great Worker"!
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                0
                13 November 2012 10: 18
                Normal,
                Uh, dear! You do not skip on the person! On this topic!
                I raised. And dung manure. You about Thomas and you about Yerema!

                Quote: Normal
                So half the world was fed.
                "So" - with slops? Or - because how - half the world? And who asked half the world to feed? And if they were fed - probably not with slops? I mean, there is nothing to be proud of. In the village they could feed like a human being, but in the city -?
                And about pollock - to lie? I have no habits.
                Quote: Normal
                and canned goods to the ceiling in every store.

                in what city? and I... -?

                Quote: Normal
                And of course where to Brezhnev until today ..
                - what does it have to do with it? There was socialism with the Gulag and the KGB and the CPSU! And here is the country that lost the war with the state system imposed on it. devices!
                Do what you can "tendem"! Could, if not for ZY, ZH. MI and other trash-ditties tailoring the State Department! In the country -1000organizatsii, with funding from the United States, which puts a "spoke in the wheel"!
                You do not know about this?
                You do not know that technology has gone far in front?
                If you run the industry on modern technology and not 70gg.
                (by the way - we are the grain !!! how is it? is this a technique +?) And this is two orders of magnitude more complicated. Nevertheless, it is necessary to run on modern technologies, otherwise the backlogs will become hopeless.
                And here is the hackle, and here is the thief, and so on. Trash.
                How else do they stand?
      3. 0
        10 November 2012 21: 37
        And on the collective farm?
        My grandmother, who lost her husband in the war, received 3 rubles 16 kopecks. Then they added - 3, 78 cents.
        I don’t know why I remember it so much (I was a kid), but I remember this treshka that the postman brought.
        So do not need la-la.
        The USSR was a great power, no one denies, but life was all. Actually, it is because it is interesting because it is all.
    2. +12
      10 November 2012 18: 42
      Quote: Spooky
      VAZ 2106 - 9600 rubles !!!!!!

      VAZ 2101 in 72g - 5 100r, in 78g - 2106 - - 6200
      No need to cheat, until 83g people lived more, less worthily. do not blame what you do not know. Not all that generation is dead
      as the "democrats" do not strive. By the age of 40, everyone honestly working (and there were the majority of them) had an apartment, if he wanted a car and a dacha, while there was a secure old age (pension) min 72. р. 50k - up to 132r, 50kop. Translated into Russian, my dog ​​would now be 20-000 rubles, but there are less than 22 rubles. At the same time, I, a labor veteran, a veteran of the DB, an invalid.
      1. Spooky
        -15
        10 November 2012 18: 52
        Relatives took Fiat 124 (2106) (color green) for 9600 Soviet dollars! Probably we lived in different countries or the USSR!
        1. +2
          10 November 2012 19: 38
          If you wish, you could buy 15
        2. +5
          10 November 2012 21: 06
          Quote: Spooky
          Relatives took Fiat 124 (2106) (color green) for 9600 Soviet dollars! Probably we lived in different countries or the USSR!

          Don't whistle kid 10600r. in 84th there was a Volga GAZ-24 in export version, with a leather interior.
        3. +1
          10 November 2012 21: 41
          Relatives, for an hour, not in caps "a la airfield"?
      2. 8 company
        -2
        10 November 2012 22: 13
        Quote: d.gksueyjd
        (pension) min 72. p. 50k - up to 132r, 50kop


        My grandmother, a former partisan with state awards, received in the 70's 27 rubles of pension.
        1. 8 company
          +2
          10 November 2012 23: 16
          Quote: Company 8
           received in the 70s 27 rubles of pension.


          Apparently, minus those who paid her such a pension.
        2. 0
          11 November 2012 08: 27
          Quote: Company 8
          My grandmother, a former partisan with state awards, received in the 70's 27 rubles of pension.

          And my grandmother did not receive a pension at all until the 70's. There was no permanent experience. But then she listened to a neighbor, wrote a statement and gave a pension in 16 rubles. Not enough .... but this is 16 times more than nothing.
    3. ivan_stepanch
      +5
      10 November 2012 18: 56
      just a minute, don’t have to cunt in my bast shoes! In 79-84 I studied at a medical university, in Poltava, this is a province, I received a scholarship, and after the third year I worked as a paramedic, had the right. everything is written in the work book. there was enough money for those who needed them. I’m 50 years old, I call you a nonsense, a jerk and a bastard,
      1. Spooky
        -12
        10 November 2012 19: 02
        Of course I'm like that !!!!!!!!!!! Well, what else am I the only one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And why the freedom party in Ukraine took 10% of the vote, in Kiev almost 17 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%! They are like according to version 1 of the channel - all the grandchildren are Stepan Bandera !!!!!!!! one Lviv woman, 27 years old, was very surprised when I told her that he was sent to the gulag for the monument to Stepan Bendara in Lviv!
        1. +11
          10 November 2012 19: 23
          For the monument to S. Bandera, one should not send to the gulag, but a tower is needed. Grandfather Stalin was very kind with Bendera, so there is a lot of this shit left! It's a shame that some of them went to school. Read the book "Russia in the War 1941-1945" by the ENGLISH journalist A. Werth. And maybe you will understand the attitude of honest people to Benderavites, Vlasovites, Melnikovites, Kamintans and other bastards. The book was written not by a communist, but by a journalist.
        2. Yarbay
          +7
          10 November 2012 19: 30
          Quote: Spooky
          one Lviv woman, 27 years old, was very surprised when I told her that he was sent to the gulag for the monument to Stepan Bendara in Lviv!

          Well, why lie ??
          The 27-year-old Lviv woman herself will tell you thousands of stories not only about those sent to the Gulag, but also about how her grandfathers fought with the Communists and the Poles !!
          1. Spooky
            -8
            10 November 2012 19: 35
            And then why were Azerbaijanis in our steppe who say they forcibly drove here, to Baku, for miles ...................... 800 in a straight line, in any case 3 hours by plane!
            1. Yarbay
              +9
              10 November 2012 19: 48
              Quote: Spooky

              And then why were Azerbaijanis in our steppe who say they forcibly drove here, to Baku, for miles ...................... 800 in a straight line, in any case 3 hours by plane!

              Firstly, do not skip from one topic to another!
              Secondly, Azerbaijanis were not forcibly driven to Kazakhstan - do not lie!
              This is your next lie that does not color you !!
              Yes, they were evicted from Armenia, but exclusively to Azerbaijan!
              and I’m not talking about Stalin and his times, but about Brezhnev! Even under Stalin, Azerbaijanis were not expelled from Azerbaijan!
              Komsomol members and communists drove to virgin soil and voluntarily to Kazakhstan !!
              I am also dissatisfied with some things that happened in the USSR and my relatives were undeservedly injured during the time of Stalin, but most of them rehabilitated Stalin himself!
              You are Troll and LIHR !!
              1. Spooky
                -13
                10 November 2012 19: 51
                If you went to the virgin lands, why are they silent !!!!!!!! We must be proud of it! The ability to plow from road to road! And why then couldn’t they feed themselves? Under L. Brezhnev, the USSR is the largest consumer of imported grain !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                1. Yarbay
                  +5
                  10 November 2012 20: 06
                  Quote: Spooky

                  If I went to the virgin lands, why are they silent !!!!!!!!

                  Because you are lying or they are lying !!!
                  or you will see the fact of the mass forced resettlement of Azerbaijanis to Kazakhstan !!
                  YOU A LIAR !!
                2. +1
                  10 November 2012 20: 19
                  Quote: Spooky
                  And why then they could not feed themselves

                  Because everyone fed on our grain. And grown and grown on an industrial scale: eastern Ukraine, Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, Rostov Region, and plowed Kazakhstan virgin land. So it turned out on one with a shovel 8 with a spoon.
                  1. Spooky
                    -8
                    10 November 2012 20: 22
                    But now you are making money on this !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do not give away free !!!!!!!!!! What's so bad right now?
            2. +4
              10 November 2012 21: 56
              Quote: Spooky
              And then why in our steppe

              Would it be yours if the Union did not protect you from China, and the Russian Empire from the Dzungars?
        3. ivan_stepanch
          +2
          10 November 2012 19: 42
          hey, scarecrow, you are menstruating something, pick up a handful of your pollutions and rest forever, fucking, sleep.
      2. +4
        10 November 2012 19: 22
        Quote: ivan_stepanch
        В79-84 I studied at a medical university,


        He studied at the LPMI since 1983, from the 2nd year at 0,75 rates he worked as a receptionist for an emergency room. The scholarship is 40 rubles, the salary is 60-65 rubles, as a result, 100 rubles a month, you could have fun :)
        1. Spooky
          -10
          10 November 2012 19: 27
          So you are still wrapping !!!!!!!!! 1st place in Europe for auto sales, guest workers - full! What is missing! Gas and oil like dirt on the street!
      3. 0
        10 November 2012 21: 43
        ivan_stepanch

        Minus you.
        They discuss problems, not each other.
    4. sefirs
      +7
      10 November 2012 19: 11
      Quote: Spooky
      The pension was only 40 rubles, in any case, my relatives received so much!

      HOW DO YOU NOT BE ashamed TO FUCK IT SO !!!!, Spooky
      Or are all Kazakhs like that? Fuck - you have to shoot such kunaks!
      You fucked up and apparently young - you never saw a dick .....
      My mummy goat Dear Spooky, upon retirement received 120 rubles.
      Father received 132 rubles.
      Damn, these provocateurs-sykunov must be killed on the spot. From a slingshot laughing
      1. Brother Sarych
        +5
        10 November 2012 19: 13
        Pensions were different - my grandmother received 50 rubles, I know many more. who received the same or a little more, but my grandfather received 225, there are many reasons ...
        1. +2
          10 November 2012 19: 46
          That's right, my grandfather, a WWII participant, received a pension of 27 rubles, I asked why?
          --- I am a collective farmer, and the collective farm pays pension. It was at the beginning of 70, then the state began to pay him, and as a veteran of the Great Patriotic War
      2. Spooky
        -11
        10 November 2012 19: 15
        Dirty swearing is the thing of your nation !!!!!!!!!! You can easily arrange the USSR 2.0 - North Korea !!!!!!!!!! Pension 120 rubles, badges give free!
      3. +6
        10 November 2012 19: 51
        Quote: sefirs
        Damn, these provocateurs-sykunov must be killed on the ground.

        The USSR is not 20 years old, and 20 years has been hammered into the heads of Nazism.
        In Russia, they always forgave the sick and the wretched! Who let him decide for himself.
      4. nickname 1 and 2
        -1
        10 November 2012 20: 23
        sefirs,
        Alo! Cursing it is not necessary! There were all kinds of pensions! My mother worked on a collective farm for half a century, and the pension is (as I recall) 16 rubles. Sixteen! Father - disabled WWII 2nd group - received more (it seems 53 rubles) later they added significantly (maybe due to the fact that they became urban).
        Mother-in-law and father-in-law somewhere 60-90 rubles. Everything from what year to take.
        So - what is the matter?
        1. sefirs
          +1
          10 November 2012 20: 32
          Sorry Nick 1 and 2
          I didn’t want to offend your parents. Our parents are honored people!
          Apparently, everything in Russia was not the same.
          But what I wrote earlier is true!
    5. +3
      10 November 2012 19: 14
      Quote: Spooky

      The pension was only 40 rubles

      This is a minimal.
      Quote: Spooky

      The dream is manly - fiat 124 - well, that is, a vaz 2106 - 9600 rubles

      Fiat 124 is not 2106, it is 2101 and it cost a "penny" - 5500 rubles
      1. Spooky
        -8
        10 November 2012 19: 25
        So minimal and received! The apartment (1 room) was given for a bribe!
    6. +12
      10 November 2012 22: 09
      Quote: Spooky
      The pension was only 40 rubles, in any case, my relatives received so much! Tickets, for example, to the capital of the USSR - 65 rubles! The dream is manly - fiat 124 - well, that is, a vaz 2106 - 9600 rubles !!!!!!!!!


      In the most expensive restaurant, lunch cost about 10 rubles (this is from the belly and the most expensive dishes for one snout), with a bottle of dry or 150 vodka in addition. There was time to dine in the Slavic Bazaar .. In more affordable establishments, a decent three-course lunch without alcohol with a salad and some fruit drink or juice, it cost up to 5 rubles maximum, complex meals - 2,5-3 rubles. In the dining room it was possible to dine for the ruble, this amount also included a bottle of beer or a glass of sour cream. Mug of beer in Lada 50kop. where 20kop is simpler. plus a huge shrimp dish per ruble.
      A bus ride cost 5 kopecks, a trolley bus 4, a tram 3. You can also take a taxi, 1 km cost 20 kopecks, but that was already a luxury.
      Potatoes in the vegetable department - 7-10 cents per kilogram, 12 cents - beets and carrots. Bread - from 14 kopecks black rye to 22 kopecks white round. Loafs - 15-22 kopecks, a bun - 6-8 kopecks. Cooked sausage cost from 1 ruble to 2,80. Smoked sausage was rarely seen in grocery stores, and queues lined up for it, it cost 3,5-3,8 rubles per kilogram.
      The meat in the state store cost from 1,5 to 2,5 rubles per kilogram. And next was a cooperative store or market, where fresh meat could be bought from 3,5 to 4 rubles per kilogram. In the same place, half-smoked and smoked sausage from 6 to 10 rubles lay in abundance. A pair of tenderloins in the bazaar cost from 3,5 to 5 rubles per kilogram.
      And the meat was always in the dining rooms in the form of cutlets, chops or goulash, and it cost from 18 to 35 cents. For 50 kopecks you could take meat with a side dish, bread, a salad and a glass of tea.
      Sugar cost 78 kopecks per kg, sunflower oil - 50 kopecks, butter - 3,4 per kg. Sour cream - 1,1. Cheese - 3 rubles. A half-liter bottle of milk, depending on the fat content, cost from 26 to 29 kopecks. A dozen eggs - 80-90 cents. A can of mayonnaise cost 33 kopecks
      Gas then cost a penny. 1 kWh of electricity - 4 kopecks in the city and 1 kopeck in the village. A three-room apartment cost 10 rubles a month with electricity, gas, rent and water.
      Any senior citizen could afford to buy several newspapers and a book he liked. Pension in this period ranged from a minimum of 42 rubles to a maximum of 120-132 rubles per month.
      A newspaper cost 3 kopecks, a magazine 30-50 kopecks. A book from the School Library series is within 1 ruble. Fiction - 1,5-2 rubles.
      Add to the average salary of a Soviet person, for example, a novice doctor, whose rate was 125 rubles, an apartment, free medical care, education, almost free trips to sanatoriums and pioneer camps. At the same time, the worker at the plant received from 150 to 300 rubles, an average of 180 rubles per month.
      The lieutenant of the Soviet army received 220-250 rubles. My first salary of the lieutenant was 310 rubles. on hand (due to the north). So count with such prices the level of well-being. An enviable groom was like an oligarch ep ...
      1. pavlo007
        +2
        11 November 2012 01: 49
        Salary at universities under Brezhnev, if anyone is interested in:
        Assistant CTN - about 300 with research
        UVP Engineer 200 rub.
        Assoc., Ctn 450 with research
        Prof. Dr. Sc. 650 rubles with research
        The rector - about 11000 rubles - was simply no longer issued and cut off
        And the only problem with the equipment was that the money had to be mastered - if I were now 10% of what they were giving then, I probably would have died of happiness on the spot

        Now under Putin:
        Engineer from UVP - 5 thousand rubles
        Assistant Ph.D. 9 thousand rubles
        Assoc., Ph.D. 11 700 rub (dirty)
        Prof. Doctor of Technical Sciences 14 (dirty)
        Rector 300-600 thousand rubles (this is completely legal, excluding rental bribes)
        Secretary of the rector - 80 thousand rubles.
        Any prostitute from any department, which became 10 times more than in the USSR - from 50 thousand rubles

        Now, dear putinoids start scolding Soviet power.
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          0
          11 November 2012 23: 47
          pavlo007,
          This is a small trifle *** ... with NIR **** You somehow - did not notice but in vain!
          At that time I was sitting on the development of a new very expensive and complex product! Blocks dumped to me, well, I did them and closed them and it turned out 700 rubles.
          Ch. Called me. Ing. and says: if I sign this salary to you, then tomorrow I need to go to the carpet to the minister and explain to him how you could earn such money !!! Not more than 500 rubles. at least a ruble to the minister with explanations.

          Quote: pavlo007
          cute putinoids

          You in the 90s rushed to make loot ??? and it didn't work? and now, realized, where is the justice? And in 90g the bucks "littered" (change is not necessary) is it already forgotten?
          The mirror is normal! take a look at the puddle! maybe something with a face?
          This advice is not for you, but for everyone who did not go to disperse the ring from the White House (where Makarevich was standing in a cordon) Then everyone cherished the dream of becoming rich! Is not it? Well? We will return commies?
          I AM FOR! But first, chairs and then money? Let us be given a 100% guarantee that they will not be the same that we did not want 20 years ago!
          1. pavlo007
            0
            12 November 2012 02: 04
            So there are no contradictions in our positions. As for the guarantees, those that we did not want 20 years ago and ruined the country because they wanted for themselves "a little more", and for this, and for the sake of this, they would betray their Motherland just once, which actually happened.
            We did not experience a fall in the regime, just like in Czechoslovakia (that is how Pukin and Co. are interpreted) and a complete change of elites to another. In our country, the decayed top of the party nomenclature simply reformatted the country for themselves. If you pay attention, then the leaders of the current regime all came out of the most vile filth of the Soviet era - the Komsomol and gbshnoy asset.

            PS And regarding the excess of RFP during the Soviet era, as far as I know it was believed that DP in research should not be one and a half to two times more than the base rate. At DTN, a professor holding a high post - rector, vice-rector, general director, and it turned out about 1100 rubles. But I know that Poland simply didn’t pay 1100. My Teacher said that when he received 1100 rubles in his hands, it was somehow uncomfortable for him - he believed that he was enriching himself excessively and this was not fair. True funny people come across in leadership positions then, eh?
  18. ivan_stepanch
    +2
    10 November 2012 18: 07
    indeed, the era was bad, and Leonid Ilyich was bad. I’m 50, I know, I remember, I’ll be honest, but the current era is a hundred times lighter, and kill Chubais, my current dream.
  19. -14
    10 November 2012 18: 11
    I lived at that time. It was correctly called stagnation time. Stuffy by the past. Maybe not bad, but for a long time it could not continue. You know how in front of a thunderstorm: it soars, stuffy, thoughts barely move, no future ... Although, it seems, nothing bad happens.
    1. +14
      10 November 2012 18: 20
      I also lived at that time and now I can say that for the right to a handful of goat-bearded intellectuals, pi ... b, with impunity we paid too much
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        0
        13 November 2012 10: 48
        Ruslan67,
        Quote: Ruslan67
        for the right to a handful of goat-bearded intellectuals pi ... b with impunity
        - it is said - "aerobatics"
    2. +2
      12 November 2012 03: 18
      Quote: homosum20
      I lived at that time. ..... Stuffy by the past. Maybe not bad, but for a long time it could not continue. You know how in front of a thunderstorm: it soars, stuffy, thoughts barely move, no future ... Although, it seems, nothing bad happens.

      And what has that time to do with it ?! If your thoughts barely moved then (however, I don’t know how they became hotter now), was it a problem for the whole people?

      People lived, gave birth to children and did not think how to grow and how to learn - the future was just guaranteed. Everyone could get a higher education - it was enough to want, and even the last idler and a dumbass would not be left without work.
      Missiles flew into space more often than minibuses now, icebreakers built atomic, and nuclear submarines ... Hydroelectric power stations, reservoirs, land reclamation, exploration of Siberia - the country's landscape was changing, it was being landscaped to its full height. Housing problem - yes, it was. But they built a lot of housing. Entire cities sprang up out of the blue, and entire districts were built in the old ones.

      (I was "living at the time" too, so ...)
    3. serg1978
      0
      7 March 2013 21: 38
      You do not like. So - you have led to the fact that those who did something stopped doing it. You are the descendants of those piz ... tins that brought down the USSR.
  20. BSSR
    -5
    10 November 2012 18: 17
    In those days, it was not the Secretary General who ruled the country, but the Central Committee of the CPSU
    Brezhnev was appointed by this structure to lobby their interests.
    Remember how Khrushchev left
    1. +4
      10 November 2012 21: 34
      Learn history or, at worst, ask adults about this era and you will not have such "
      Quote: BSSR

      In those days, it was not the Secretary General who ruled the country, but the Central Committee of the CPSU
      Brezhnev was appointed by this structure to lobby their interests.

      "thoughts. The CPSU Central Committee did not need to lobby for its interests, since it was guided by the interests of the state which it ruled in accordance with Article 6 of the USSR Constitution. The CPSU Central Committee is not a Jewish or gay lobby for you.
      1. BSSR
        -7
        10 November 2012 22: 17
        History taught, do not teach
        do not love Jews, but for God's sake
        I'm an adult myself, 38 years old, do not remind me
        1. 0
          11 November 2012 15: 36
          I don't like Jews, as well as Uzbeks or Chinese, but Jewish, Uzbek, or Chinese women awaken tender feelings in me. The very statement of the "question
          Quote: BSSR
          don't like jews
          "
          questions my sexual orientation, which cannot but offend my vanity, not overshadowed by tolerance.
        2. +2
          12 November 2012 03: 32
          Quote: BSSR
          .... I myself am an adult, 38 years old, do not you remind me

          Hospada, yes, in 1991 you were only 17 years old, what do you remember there? Conscious life in the USSR - just a couple of years, and there ...
          The bulk of your "memoirs" seems to be from the "yellow" press, liberal rags, which in the 1990s hammered into our heads the idea of ​​our inferiority on the instructions of the State Department. And in that press, what kind of "revelations" about the "monstrous regime" did not write ...

          You better not argue, but read what older people write here ...
          Replace newspaper education with the testimonies of living people, as long as possible.
  21. +9
    10 November 2012 18: 17
    Statement to the Central Committee of the CPSU by Leonid Brezhnev: When I die, I ask you to bury upside down. Are you Leonid Ilyich this is not Christian? And will he turn over in a Christian way to kiss back?
    People always come up with jokes about their favorite characters.
    With the death of Leonid Brezhnev, the decline of the Great Power began, I was personally lucky to be born and live at the best time. It's a pity in old age to see WHAT the fans of "bucks" have done and are doing with my country
    Enemies of the USSR call the times of Brezhnev stagnation, and the people a feast. I agree and continue to stagnate now.
    1. sefirs
      -5
      10 November 2012 19: 22
      Quote: d.gksueyjd
      Statement to the Central Committee of the CPSU by Leonid Brezhnev: When I die, I ask you to bury upside down. Are you Leonid Ilyich this is not Christian? And will he turn over in a Christian way to kiss back?


      Slaver d.gksueyjd
      Does that sound too funny to you?
      This is a sign of your dibilizma ....
      1. +4
        10 November 2012 19: 28
        No, this is a sign of the attitude of the PEOPLE towards the Secretary General, even then people realized that they had lost!
  22. Brother Sarych
    +7
    10 November 2012 18: 25
    Childhood and adolescence are associated with the period of his reign - the warmest memories remained, although, with mature reflection, they were not very good, and sometimes satisfying, they lived! But the most important thing is a feeling of calm and orderliness ...
    Leonid Ilyich himself has a rather warm attitude - yes, he is somewhat vain, but does not give the impression of a truly evil person, otherwise he would not have tolerated the transgressions of his environment so much, had no desire to transform his unlimited power into a material embodiment, he was a man of the THOSE generation who before thinking about the assigned business, and only then about myself ...
    Of course, he was not an angel - he did not like the Urals (from his youth), he also did meanness, but he took care of the veterans, he loved the army ...
    I think that he never considered himself a genius commander, but for awards he had a completely excusable weakness, especially in old age ...
    Of course, it would be better for him to retire a little earlier, but what happened was ...
    1. +3
      10 November 2012 20: 42
      I read that his housekeeper was eating at the same table with him. Maybe someone will say - are there such rulers today?
  23. BSSR
    +1
    10 November 2012 18: 28
    The people still demanded, starting from perestroika, in 85 imported jeans, equipment and a western lifestyle. So do not blame the politicians, we all did not meaningfully undermine everything we aspired to. It is the purchase of imports and sheer lack of care, and thefts
    Then they all stole, from small to large, and now they got a plundered country, and divided into parts, and now to put it all together you need a lot of effort
    1. ivan_stepanch
      -1
      10 November 2012 19: 26
      learn to articulate your thoughts, and until then quietly emit urine with a pipette, and do not shine.
    2. sefirs
      +4
      10 November 2012 19: 57
      Quote: BSSR
      Then everyone stole, from small to large

      YOURS (REALLY YOURS. OK - I DIDNT STEAL) THE WORDS A CONTINUOUS PORN
      MODER DOESN'T MISS - BUT YOU ARE A GOOD MAN.
      RADISH wassat
    3. Brother Sarych
      +9
      10 November 2012 20: 01
      Well, I didn’t steal, my parents didn’t steal, the vast majority of my friends didn’t steal, although I know the opposite examples ...
      1. BSSR
        -5
        10 November 2012 22: 23
        They all stole, our mother worked in a fur farm in Belarus and there, under those 60 million mink skins, they were stolen under the director’s leadership in those days, they all got up, they sent it all to Japan, they bought Vidiks and all kinds of garbage
        There, with the collapse of the union, theft flourished
        1. Brother Sarych
          +3
          10 November 2012 22: 44
          I think that this was much later, under Brezhnev it was simply impossible - no one could directly reach a foreign consumer ...
          What they stole, no one will deny, they always tried to steal, but this was not always encouraged, it was usually stopped ...
          At that time, everyone was in sight, especially you can’t hide unearned income ...
    4. +3
      10 November 2012 23: 24
      Quote: BSSR
      The people still demanded, starting from perestroika, in 85 imported jeans, equipment and a western lifestyle. So do not blame the politicians, we all did not meaningfully undermine everything we aspired to. It is the purchase of imports and sheer lack of care, and thefts
      Then they all stole, from small to large, and now they got a plundered country, and divided into parts, and now to put it all together you need a lot of effort


      The people, by definition, ALWAYS dissatisfied with something. All are content only in paradise or saints in life.
      1. BSSR
        -4
        11 November 2012 00: 07
        Yes, no one is happy that the Belarusians, Ukrainians separated from the Russians
        this split happened, what to do
        Our people can only be dissatisfied with your kremlyady, who planted on the resale of oil products of our acupant in power, which we hate
        Your dad, whom you respect and express the same that Belarus is the number one enemy is Russia
        1. +5
          11 November 2012 01: 45
          Quote: BSSR
          we hate
          Your dad, whom you respect and express the same that Belarus is the number one enemy is Russia


          ?????????? Is everything okay with your head?
          1. BSSR
            -3
            11 November 2012 03: 14
            Aw you sir
            Live in our poor country and understand
            1. stranik72
              +1
              11 November 2012 23: 57
              A strange concept of a poor country is already being treated for you. They go not only from Moscow, but also from Israel. Trade unions throughout Russia (from state-owned companies) give trips to your holiday homes. People who have been there praise. The outback Russian to you as to Vladivostok and all the forest.
  24. Rjn
    +3
    10 November 2012 19: 05
    When Brezhnev was buried, I was just on duty and with my finger pressed the siren button in memory of him, as was prescribed. Here is such a participation in history.
    1. ivan_stepanch
      -1
      10 November 2012 19: 31
      Imagine an old man, I’m on a hangover, and then a friend comes up and says that Lenka is dead, I told him right away, let's go, they say, remember this!
  25. Spooky
    -9
    10 November 2012 19: 54
    If with him everything was type type, then why did the Soviet Union collapse ??????????? A crisis ? in the usa, too, a crisis that does not fall apart ????? Europe also does not fall apart ???????
    1. Brother Sarych
      +8
      10 November 2012 20: 03
      The USSR collapsed only after 9 years! Andropov and Chernenko changed, Gorbachev came - a representative of the next generation, so he ruined everything, though he suffered for almost 6 years ...
    2. +1
      11 November 2012 15: 21
      Dear, the Union fell apart in 91! And Leonid Ilyich died in the 82nd! Don't you feel the difference ?! But Europe is already falling apart - Catalonia and the Basque Country in Spain, Scotland in the UK (with Velo prefix so far ...), Flanders in Belgium, Quebec in Canada ..... And this is only the beginning, the top, so to speak of an iceberg. How to divide Europe Muslim migrants in 10-15 years !!!! DECIDE THEM, NOT GAYROPEYSAM! angry
  26. Spooky
    -7
    10 November 2012 20: 05
    Before the collapse, already in 1988, some already managed to gnaw a throat to each other! They even managed to fight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  27. +4
    10 November 2012 20: 19
    He studied at that time at the institute. Received an increased scholarship - 55 p. He worked at the department at half time - 50 rubles. Each summer construction team (North, Far East, BAM, Tuva) Brought a month and a half up to 1500 p. He provided for himself. On such money you could not live at all frailly.
    I think that for all the years of the existence of Russia, the years from 67 to 80 are the best.
    But merit in that, I think, is not high with Brezhnev. The base is built before him.
  28. +3
    10 November 2012 20: 34
    The brightest, brightest, happiest era.
    1. sefirs
      +1
      10 November 2012 20: 45
      Quote: Committee
      The brightest, brightest, happiest era.


      Thank you, Comrade Captain!
      I have the same memories, and no vrazhin will cancel these impressions !!!
  29. Spooky
    -5
    10 November 2012 20: 46
    BLINK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wassat
  30. +2
    10 November 2012 21: 17
    According to the recollections of the older generation, the "Brezhnev era" was the Golden Age of the USSR. Better people did not live before or after.
  31. wax
    +4
    10 November 2012 21: 18
    A little before Brezhnev (1962-63) at Spiridonovka in Moscow there was a wonderful restaurant. There, we students, having thrown themselves on the top five, could eat a wonderful kebab with potatoes with greens, osus and drink a decanter of beautiful cognac. Hennessy is no good for him (and indeed now there is simply no good brandy available). It was possible to study for an increased scholarship, and in the summer also to buy watches, or to read more. These were our Soviet rubles.
    The minimum pension under Brezhnev was 70 rubles. However, I agree, I remember that in order to receive it, it was necessary to work out at least some years. And I remember the absolute minimum was exactly 40, but the metro was 5 kopecks, and the loaf of white bread was 18 kopecks, the black loaf was 12 kopecks. Medicine is free, education is free. Payment for housing is close to symbolic, no one was evicted from housing. Transport is cheap, an ordinary person could take a plane wherever you want to fly to a holiday home, for free (well, not every year, essno), dispensaries, children's camps, and sanatoriums. So transfer everything to money. Now we need to get a minimum of 50, or even 100 thousand pe, to get such a range of services.
  32. -1
    10 November 2012 21: 48
    In fairness .... Grandma worked all her life on the collective farm. Z.p. paid by workdays. Upon reaching retirement age in 1965, a pension of less than 10 rubles was assigned. Parents sent her 40-50 rubles each month. And so it was .....
  33. +2
    10 November 2012 22: 07
    I also lived under Khrushchev and under Brezhnev; Under Khrushchev, I remember how my mother and I stood in line for bread with my sister in the morning at 7-00 to the bread store and left them to buy bread (note this in the Kuban). I also remember under Khrushche during the Caribbean crisis the sirens howled in the morning the teachers in the kindergarten whispering in a handful, and when I ran home, my mother said: “Run quickly to the club, your father was taken into the army,” and the convoy of several trucks had already started, all the men who fought in the area were taken away and for three days they lived in tents at the airfield. I remember how Gagarin flew and everyone ran like mad and shouted "Hurray we are in space." I remember how, under Brezhnev, white bread without a queue and butter, a bicycle "Schoolboy", and then "Eaglet" appeared in the village store, the dream of all the guys. A new school, a gym, an asphalt road from Krasnodar to my village and further to the sea, and I remember everything else, what was good under Brezhnev, and I remember the bad too. And this is bad, everything is connected with the degradation of our society, and the first in this degradation were the communists, even in the village, even in the city, even in the field, even at the school and the Institute, the army and the enterprise, wherever I met Party people or those who were eager to join the party by hook or by crook, they all exemplified lack of principle, bodhalimism, cynicism, and immorality with all the ensuing consequences. Only one communist, to whom all of the above does not apply This is Uncle Lyosha Shishko machine operator from my page. He could tell the truth to the district policeman's eyes that he had spent the whole war with a machine gun aiming at his own people and the director of the state farm, That his house looked like a landowner's one and: - "Tebi ne's little servant is going to get better at tebe ne robe and run out at home, nhai won tebe and godae.
    1. +1
      10 November 2012 22: 43
      I read yours, I remembered my own. The death of the leader was announced somewhere after the second "pair". It was very alarming ... the girls were crying unconsciously ... And then a friend was drafted into the army. Seeing off was just on the day of Leonid Ilyich's funeral. We sit at the table, watch the funeral ceremony on TV .... The state farm party organizer (neighbor), after another missed button accordion, labors and sings swaggeringly "you remember, sonny, golden words ,,,," (at this time they lower the coffin and it seemed that the coffin dropped) party organizer- "LENYA DROPPED! ... - bread is the head of everything !!!! Bread is the head of everything!"
      By the 80s, the party had ceased to be "the leading and leading", and did not want to keep up with the communists. Not a party - vomit. Several times I was offered to join the CPSU (I studied well, I was a leader on the course), but that party organizer stood in my eyes.
  34. +8
    10 November 2012 22: 17
    normal man was
    1. +1
      10 November 2012 22: 49
      Not watered correctly .... but as a man !!!!! Well done was that Leonid Ilyich. Drove, hunter, womanizer, and all this is somehow in moderation, without showing off!
    2. 0
      10 November 2012 22: 49
      Quote: Straus_zloy
      normal man was

      Thanks for the photo and koment. I was laughing so hard that I could hardly hit the green arrow.
  35. 8 company
    -4
    10 November 2012 22: 34
    The trips were definitely cheap. Moscow-Novosibirsk air ticket 42 rubles, however, once stood in line at the ticket office for 6 hours. Several times I had to fly to other cities, because there were no tickets to the required one. Instead of Minsk, he flew to both Kiev and St. Petersburg)) There were common wagons with seats, there a penny was worth a ride. Tin)) And the general wagons in summer in Turkmenistan are finally indescribable tin))))))))) For some reason, the sheets on the trains were very raw :( Products were always in short supply. I traveled almost the entire USSR, and I can to say that meat products, cheese, butter were only on sale in Moscow, St. Petersburg and the capitals of the Union republics, and not everywhere. Therefore, people went to these cities in bulk to pack food from nearby districts and regions, but they provided apartments, education and medicine But I know for sure that 70-80% of patients died from leukemia and oncology in the USSR, and in the 90s new treatment technologies came from the West, drugs and survival rates increased several times, especially for leukemia. Now children survive to 80%
    1. 0
      10 November 2012 22: 59
      Quote: Company 8
      and in the 90s from the West came new treatment technologies, drugs and survival increased several times, especially for leukemia. Now children survive up to 80%.

      These positive changes in the near future will come to us. All these diseases are transmitted genetically, and if with the help of modern medicine the patients reach the childbearing age, we will get a snowball that will cover us economically and demographically.
      1. 0
        10 November 2012 23: 05
        cherkas.oeDo you have any children? Are you able to refuse to help your child if he is hopelessly ill? I remember that in the Third Reich the hopelessly sick were already destroyed. Are you a fan of Nazism?
    2. +2
      10 November 2012 23: 31
      Quote: Company 8
      I had to fly to other cities, because there were no tickets to the required one. Instead of Minsk, he flew to both Kiev and St. Petersburg)


    3. survivor
      0
      11 November 2012 10: 35
      not only in Moscow !!! Lived in the city of Tselinograd. as I recall, with meat, sausages and other shortages, everything was fine! I was very surprised when I went on vacation to relatives in Grozny. there is all of the above, deficit. so much more depended on local leadership! the one where there was normal leadership, the deficit, if any, was minimal. in the 80s, indian 100 rub jeans began to be sold in a department store. I remember, everyone bought it.
    4. vardex
      0
      12 November 2012 12: 52
      And what about the statistics now, it’s nothing that in the 91 population of Russia 149000000-2012-143000000, and that can be overstated, where 6000000 what happened after 30 years so you will say that there were repressions under Putin .......
  36. -2
    10 November 2012 22: 50
    In Moscow, you could really eat a wonderful shish kebab. And what about the provinces, where the kebab was actually grown? He served in the south of the Tula region, exemplary chernozems. In the city, there was no meat or sausage in stores, everything was transported to Moscow. And from there they were taken away in sausage trains (who could). Who couldn't? Who had a city other than the first supply category? They quarreled with the entire socialist camp, the country was covered with long-term construction projects, Austrian women's boots were a pipe dream, beautiful women's clothing was only imported. In February 1980, an airborne division was sent from our airfield to Afghanistan, but not all of them returned. Have you ever received sealed zinc? In free medicine, free doctors and nurses worked. And not only there. My mother-in-law, 1930, worked as a cleaner for 40 rubles. The "social lift" did not work, remember - "the Armenian radio is asked if the general's son can become a marshal, it answers - no, the marshal has his own son." It was not very sweet then, especially for a family man. Although, maybe for Moscow students? ...
  37. WW3
    WW3
    +10
    10 November 2012 23: 03
    ..after the hunt, the table is surprisingly modest, a diner ... and a Brezhnev revolver ....
    1. MG42
      +8
      10 November 2012 23: 20
      Good non-official photo. wink
      The Brezhnev era of "stagnation" - it was then that the USSR flourished!
  38. +17
    10 November 2012 23: 43
    Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev: in comparison with today's leaders

    I did not wear a watch for a couple of dozen kilobaxes:




    did not hide his family:





    I didn’t inflate pontoons, visiting the military (I did not sit at the helm of a fighter, etc.)





    He was a real combat officer:







    I knew what the labor of a simple worker is:



    I didn’t need to build billions of palaces and planes with golden tremors for rest:



    1. MG42
      +7
      10 November 2012 23: 52
      Cool photos and no show-offs! Leonid Ilyich did not fly with cranes!
    2. Yarbay
      +6
      11 November 2012 09: 06
      Looking at the pictures of Leonid Ilyich, the image of my grandfather always pops up in my memory !!
    3. WW3
      WW3
      +3
      11 November 2012 16: 25
      Broad nature. Arrival of L. Brezhnev in Uzbekistan.



      grandfather
    4. nickname 1 and 2
      -1
      13 November 2012 17: 37
      Straus_zloy,
      Maaaaa little difference!
      Now they say: what are officials doing to solve this problem?
      or: what is this Pukin doing to change this?
      and they would like to do so wherever everything goes and everyone on xp ... need it!
      Some steal others (not what to steal) criticize! They wait if the opportunity arises to steal from them, then all criticism wherever they go, they will steal!
      drinks

      And then: district committees, regional committees, the CPSU Central Committee, the Council of Ministers, the Supreme Council, the Politburo, the General Secretary (half an hour must be listed) of the organization .....
      and try grunt !!!!! That meeting, one, then another, then the economy is watered,
      then it’s one turn, then another, then the third (it would have been better if I had it for today). We’ve prepared home - ate - UV!
      For tomorrow STORM bus, trolley!
      And there - for potatoes, for beets, for .....,
      And what? FUN ! But, all in all!
      But why is everything from the back door or from under the counter ??? And by appointment?
      But, by the way, STEAL and did not work under Brezhnev began on black!
      No wonder Andropov tried to wrest this infection with a hard hand.
      And why rant here? Yes BADAC already started and continues! Sewed on soap, changed !!!! fool
      Thanks to Gorbatom !!!
      But we can blather anything !!!!
  39. +6
    11 November 2012 00: 17
    I remember these times with pleasure! It was a good time! If you did not steal, worked honestly, studied, had a little in your head, you were provided with a quick promotion, and a completely normal existence. There were quite enough products and even more, they were natural, of high quality, refrigerators in every family were full, but the trouble is, in stores, except cooperative ones, there were a little more expensive, there were practically empty counters, everything went to the left, from under the counter , for their own, the right people, that's when corruption arose, whole fortunes accumulated, then the term "trade mafia" appeared, all this led to corruption, depravity of some people, mainly middle and senior management, which subsequently led to collapse of the Union. These people were the initiators of the liquidation of the USSR and the restoration of capitalism in its wildest form, they were no longer satisfied with the simple satisfaction of natural human needs, they wanted great luxury and great power, which would not be limited by anyone.The reason for all this was a violation of the principle of socialism, about which now no one remembers: - from each according to his ability, to each according to his work. And the "trading mafia" worked the least of all, it simply stood at the distribution of material goods and used it in full. I would like to reproach the then law enforcement agencies, who practically did not fight these phenomena, and if they fought, then ostentatiously, they could also be bought, just when the coalescence of crime and those who had to fight it began. The KGB, which was supposed to guard the security of the state, overlooked all these growing phenomena, first of all it was necessary to reorganize some of the enterprises, primarily trade, find some other methods, pay special attention to providing for the common people and the USSR would have existed perfectly today ... In addition, I think that it could not do without purposeful sabotage, well, how can this be, if suddenly toothpaste or cigarettes disappeared overnight, well, think for yourself, what is it? This paste needs 1 tube per family per month, it turns out that the factories for its production suddenly stopped? How can this be the case with a planned economy? And most importantly, no one explained anything, everything was covered in darkness. I think that they deliberately aroused discontent among the people, and then they took advantage of this, that the miners began to sit on the asphalt and knock on their helmets. This is how the collapse of the Union began. I think these were purposeful actions.
    1. aleksey
      0
      11 November 2012 18: 15
      Well, yes, the damned merchants are to blame, the corrupt are vile, the police overlooked, the KGB overlooked the police, the supreme power completely decomposed and only looked for an excuse to introduce this wild capitalism, and then purposefully wrecked spite ... and I'm white and fluffy. if only everyone thought about everything ... if only, if only ..
      ..can you think that the ideology of communism is not viable by its nature, bears the idea of ​​destruction in itself, and its days were numbered
      ..a that period of time was really good, kind of human, and kind
      1. +1
        11 November 2012 23: 24
        Alexei: -Do you actually consider the feudal system, which is now established in the Central Asian republics, viable? By the way, cases are known, for example, in the South American Selva at the end of the 19th century, a group of individual criminals in a vast territory comparable to modern Britain established a slave system. Several hundred armed robbers forced local tribes to extract rubber, actually turning them into slaves. This lasted several years in a row. Does this mean the viability of the slave system? What can you say about China, which has practically flooded the whole world with its products? What ideology is there? I also recommend that you go to Sweden, where the workers are actually the owners of their enterprises, and did not hear something, that there is some kind of crisis that has practically put the EU countries on the brink of collapse. Is this evidence of the viability of capitalist ideology?
  40. Nymp
    -5
    11 November 2012 00: 25
    When did a simple person live smartly? Someone has a small pension, someone has a close relative in prison who never served (for a joke?) But friends, let’s forget the insults, we were a strong state, the enemies were afraid of us, we were reckoned with! And now? The skin of the not killed BEAR is already seriously being divided (by bear, I mean, first of all, Mother Russia) Sorry ...
  41. pavlo007
    0
    11 November 2012 01: 29
    Hmmmm ..... Then the era was ambiguous, but now absolutely unambiguous stability.
    And where are you gentlemen, democrats, who scolded the stagnation and the vile KGB, which took away the layers with the Beatles, huh? Lenya with his kgbu and the mafia in the form of a daughter, son-in-law and their entourage are not even children compared to Putin’s mafia, this is some kind of prostate secret ...

    PS Yes, a special for putinoids, cops and majors, "receiving under 200" - Russia is a great country! Putin is your prezik, reliably protecting from reality outside the windows!
    PPS Perfectly normal and adequate of men was LIB, it just missed the moment of rebirth of the nomenclature, well, scum like a wort has caused a lot of harm to its country because of its falsity - it was it that infuriated us.
  42. +2
    11 November 2012 07: 29
    I read the comments and recalled the parable of the blind men touching the elephant. Who touched the leg, who is the tail, who is the trunk. Everyone has their own feelings. My grandmother received about 19 rubles. Mom has already earned 132 rubles. As a large family we were given 3 rooms temporarily, where we lived for 18 years. On the preferential line for housing were 107th. a year later they became the 105th. The following year became the 108th. At any time, there is both good and bad. But I want more good, but as always, it doesn’t work out for us. And always someone is to blame. Life is tricky.
  43. Patos89
    -5
    11 November 2012 08: 52
    Leonid Ilyich was essentially buried by ass
  44. +5
    11 November 2012 10: 11
    Yes, in comparison with the current leaders of Russia, who can only destroy, even such an odious leader as Brezhnev, whom the whole country and the whole world has been laughing at for the last decade, looks like a great statesman and creator of the Soviet Land.
  45. +3
    11 November 2012 12: 51
    GRANDFATHER WAS-SMART !!!!! M
  46. atomic
    -2
    11 November 2012 13: 25
    Everything that the Union ate during the time of Brezhnev was created by Soviet people, during the time of Stalin. It was under Brezhnev that the people were lazy and drunk.
    The beginning of the destruction of the USSR was laid by Khrushchev, continued by Brezhnev, and Gorbi had already released blood.
  47. aleksey
    -7
    11 November 2012 14: 14
    no one argues that under Brezhnev people used certain benefits, but far from everything was so uniform and unambiguous as the defenders of the communist way of life imagine here ... maybe someone ate barbecue and cognac in the capitals for a scholarship, and now minus people who they tell the truth, or at least a position different from theirs ... for example, my parents were waiting for an apartment for 20 years in the USSR, well, take a mortgage today for the same 20 years, you had to save 5-7 years for a car in the USSR, so buy Lada Granta today, but don’t dream about Nissan Qashqai, we went on vacation to Sochi to the USSR, so go to Turkey or a holiday home on the Volga today! what is the problem?! Free education? Well, so my son is studying at the Agrarian Academy for FREE, he enrolled in the Unified State Examination, a dormitory 70 rubles a year (funny), on a paid stream a semester - 16000 rubles. Well, study at a regular university, and do not dream about MGIMO. Who here lists prices in the USSR with nostalgia and tears, the owners of the psychology of freeloaders and lumpen, where did you get that someone owed you something? Love your country at all times for what it is, and your people in the first place, and do not defend the rotten ideology that ordered a long life .......
  48. Yankuz
    0
    11 November 2012 16: 30
    Quote: kush62
    As a large family we were given 3 rooms temporarily, where we lived for 18 years.

    You see - Dali !!! Sooner or later, every family was given! Indeed, in fact, all the secondary housing that is currently being bought / resold and in general is at least some private property of ordinary citizens - this is all that Brezhnev and his Great Country of the USSR left for us. As you wish, but it is. More dear to you just so no one will give anything! The current government can only get rid of loans with the most unrealistic interest in the world - it's fast!
    1. 0
      11 November 2012 16: 43
      You see - Dali!
      Well, this can be said to the same teachers and doctors on their meager salary today: You see, they give. Not given, but untied. Should have been by law
      (which approved by the state) give a large living space. But in those days there were the same officials as now. First of all, they thought and think about themselves and their neighbors. and it absolutely does not depend on what party they are in. After the mother threw her state awards through the window in the city executive committee, the apartment (laid down by law) was immediately found. It was necessary for the officials to hush up such a scandal. But that was after Brezhnev. Dissatisfied fairly and not very fair have always been and always will be. Everyone has different points of view on this.
    2. aleksey
      0
      11 November 2012 17: 54
      Quote: Yankuz
      More dear to you just so no one will give anything! The current government can only get rid of loans with the most unrealistic interest in the world - it's fast!

      Why dear someone should just give! Why can’t you build a state where you can EARN yourself, and not wait for SENDING ?! But you know, it’s not being built overnight ..., you are defending communism, why aren’t you with them, Uncle Zyu is not easy right now ... people still don’t want a return to the past, and they convincingly showed it in the elections all levels ...
      Yes, the interest is high, but what do you want someone to present you with a developed fair state on a plate and it will give you something just like that? again the psychology of distribution and freeloading
  49. 0
    11 November 2012 18: 20
    The personal modesty of the leader has nothing to do with it. After Stalin, a well-worn uniform and a great country remained. All further achievements of the USSR were laid in his reign. After Brezhnev, there was a crumbling country with a crushed economy, growing problems (Andropov was trying to do something, but it was too late) and got stuck to the ears in the Afghan war. Most of the current negativity began under Brezhnev. You can feel sorry for the kind, non-malignant person, but the fact that he did not retire on time - crosses out everything good in him.
  50. Gorchakov
    +2
    11 November 2012 18: 54
    I understand that it is unrealistic and paradoxical, but I want in the USSR and it was in the era of Brezhnev ... I just want it and that's it ... Without explanation ....
  51. +1
    11 November 2012 20: 23
    There were disadvantages during the time of Brezhnev, but the big plus of that time was political and economic stability, faith in the future, you know that there will be stable work, advance payment, salary without delay and, interestingly, minimal corruption
  52. Yankuz
    0
    11 November 2012 21: 34
    Quote: aleksey
    Why should a respected person just GIVE!

    This is the whole difference in understanding! Today's generation can no longer think otherwise than - here is the object, and here is the owner. And then the consciousness of the people - and of all its layers - was aimed at the fact that everything state, people's and these benefits were available to everyone (at least according to the Law, but in practice - this is already corruption...). The degradation of the system has already begun here.
  53. 0
    11 November 2012 22: 56
    Opponents will spit, but I personally believe that the Brezhnev era is stability. Yes, there were shortcomings - the most severe one was corruption of officials, but people lived in peace and tranquility, and the economy was stable. The preconditions for the collapse have been sown in recent years.
  54. AlexMH
    +1
    11 November 2012 22: 58
    I won’t say anything about stagnation, Shchelokov, dissidents and the military-industrial complex. I can share my personal memories - under Brezhnev, people lived normally. They worked calmly, didn’t eat to their heart’s content, but had plenty, went on vacation to the south and visited each other, went with my father to demonstrations and watched parades - they were proud of our equipment. I then ran on the street until nightfall, and no one was afraid for me. And my parents didn’t listen to Radio Liberty at night because they weren’t interested. By today's standards, yes, they lived a bit boring and not rich, but NORMAL. They knew that tomorrow there would be no crisis, that they wouldn’t lose their jobs, if you got sick, they would treat you, if you retired, you wouldn’t die of hunger, if you went for a walk at night, they wouldn’t kill or rob you. I remember how terribly the sirens howled in the factories when Brezhnev died (I was 3 years old), and I said to my mother, “How will we continue to live?” Now, looking back, I think that we lived more correctly then.
  55. mars6791
    0
    11 November 2012 23: 22
    One of my older comrades said correctly, your generation born in the 70s will remember the USSR for a long time, in a good way.
  56. 0
    11 November 2012 23: 25
    He was a real Patriot! Served the people and loved the people! Of course, he had the weaknesses inherent in the Russian peasant. At a difficult time for the country, he relaxed and lost control of the situation. But the “team” turned out to be weak and could not help Leonid Ilyich. Truly "An Ambiguous Era!"
  57. Aleks60
    0
    11 November 2012 23: 32
    Many people were hooked. I won’t get bogged down in the weigh-in controversy. This is a peaceful era. Yes yes Hungary Czechoslovakia Cuba (my love - God forgive me) Many many. I am happy that I found old men tearing their shirts on their chests because they fought under the command of Rokossovsky. These people, beaten by war and life with a CAPITAL L. And it's funny to me. That someone standing in the pose of a laundress teaches life. No need.
  58. 0
    13 November 2012 08: 38
    Judging by the number and intensity of the comments, everyone was hooked on the topic! Personally, I was born and raised in this era and have not seen anything bad from it. Over the years, does the body prefer to remember only the good? Well, maybe... Although I'm trying to remember... and I can't. It would probably not be entirely correct to idealize this time, but one thing cannot be taken away - behind his back, every citizen felt the POWER OF THE STATE, just like that, with a capital P. You can't feel that now. By the way. Regarding the death of LI. I was studying at a technical school then and I clearly remember what they told us right in the audience and the feelings were actually pre-war! The girls burst into tears, and the guys definitely had thoughts about the military registration and enlistment office!