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Putin: "Attempts to revise the results of World War II are a cynical lie"

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Putin: "Attempts to revise the results of World War II are a cynical lie"Attempts to revise the outcome of the Second World War and denial of the Holocaust are not just cynical lies, but also oblivion of the lessons stories. This is stated in the message of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin to the guests of the opening ceremony of the Jewish Museum and Center for Tolerance in Moscow. The greeting was read by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

“Congratulations on the opening of the Jewish Museum and the Center for Tolerance, I am convinced that this event is another indication of the special relationship between our countries and peoples,” the message says. “The world's largest museum of the history of the Jewish people is unique and unique. Its vast, richest collection covers significant epochs and key events - from the biblical period to the present. A huge place in the museum’s exposition is occupied by archival documents dedicated to the memory of the victims of the Second World War. "

"Both Russia and Israel cherish the sacred truth about the war," the message stresses. "We must clearly understand that any attempts to reconsider our country's contribution to a great victory, to deny the Holocaust - the shameful page of world history is not just cynical and unprincipled a lie is forgetting the lessons of history that can lead to a repetition of the tragedy. "

“Therefore, our common moral duty is to protect the truth, defend the honor, dignity, good name of the living and the fallen,” the message of the President of the Russian Federation says. “I am convinced that the museum will become a visible embodiment of the ideas of interethnic dialogue and consent.”
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  1. domokl
    domokl 9 November 2012 11: 21
    +51
    I want to tear and throw ... The Holocaust is cool, but 27 of millions of Russians is so ... Static .... The president is flirting with the Jewish community too much ...
    1. Andrey64
      Andrey64 9 November 2012 11: 30
      +15
      They can also be used for their own purposes ...))))
      1. volcano
        volcano 9 November 2012 12: 50
        +13
        Quote: Andrey64
        They can also be used for their own purposes ...))))


        Yeah .... now ..... who will use whom then?

        And do not bring an example, when it was someone who used the Jews for their own purposes ..... It is they who always use everyone in their own.
        1. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 13: 18
          +12
          Quote: volkan
          And do not bring an example, when it was someone who used the Jews for their own purposes ..... It is they who always use everyone in their own.

          Many Jews fought and worked for the good of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation — not all Jews are Rockefellers
          1. donchepano
            donchepano 9 November 2012 13: 40
            -7
            In the sense of the Kyrgyz Rottweilers?
          2. volcano
            volcano 9 November 2012 13: 55
            +4
            Quote: Kyrgyz
            not all rockefeller jews


            Yeah .... there are Rothschilds wink
          3. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 14: 12
            +4
            Kyrgyz
            Alas, the Rockefellers have nothing to do with the Jews, like the Morgans and Dupons, etc. Ie I do not mind, but they are not Jews, no matter how I or you would not like it.
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 9 November 2012 14: 44
              +5
              Yes, Morgan and Dupons, along with the Rothschilds and Rockefellers are purely Ukrainian
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 9 November 2012 14: 54
              +8
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              The Rockefellers have nothing to do with the Jews, like the Morgans and Dupons, etc.


              interesting and instructive is the history of the Viennese Rothschild, at that time one of the richest Jews in the world. As if nothing had happened, he continued to live quietly in his magnificent palace, until he was visited by local attack aircraft. Uninvited guests brought out a lot of kindness and gold from the palace, including the most valuable collection of ancient Persian rugs, in which Rothschild did not look for souls. The behavior of the attack aircraft angrily angered the banker. And he immediately wrote a complaint to the Führer himself.

              “Poor thing! - you think. “He will immediately be sent to the gas chamber!”

              You are mistaken. Hitler apologized to Rothschild and reimbursed all the losses of the banker from the treasury of the Reich ...
              1. donchepano
                donchepano 9 November 2012 15: 10
                +3
                childhood friends probably were? drove football together ...
                1. homosum20
                  homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 45
                  0
                  There is a saying: God save me from such friends, and somehow I myself will get rid of enemies.
              2. Ross
                Ross 9 November 2012 19: 27
                +4
                Vadivak,
                Surrounded by Hitler, only Goering was a purebred German! And that already says a lot.
              3. homosum20
                homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 44
                +1
                Fire can be good, can be bad. But don't mess with the fire. He burns.
            3. biglow
              biglow 9 November 2012 15: 10
              +1
              Aron Zaavi,
              and who are they?
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 17: 02
                -2
                biglow affects human beings, but can you open Wikipedia?
                1. homosum20
                  homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 50
                  +1
                  Dear, it will pass with age. In general, laziness is the engine of progress.
            4. Kyrgyz
              Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 15: 14
              +1
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Alas, the Rockefellers have nothing to do with the Jews

              That was sarcasm
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 17: 02
                -1
                Kyrgyz alas, this is a bitter truth. Rockefellers have nothing to do with Jews.
                1. Kyrgyz
                  Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 17: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Kyrgyz alas, this is a bitter truth. Rockefellers have nothing to do with Jews.

                  I know that they don’t have, it was sarcasm on my part, Rothschild and Rockefeller have not belonged to any nation for a long time, they are a common name
                2. homosum20
                  homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 53
                  0
                  They are aliens.
                  This is a joke.
                  Ethnic Germans.
                3. slas
                  slas 11 November 2012 19: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Kyrgyz alas, this is a bitter truth. Rockefellers have nothing to do with Jews.

                  Then probably they are related to the Jews - so yes yes ???
            5. Nick
              Nick 9 November 2012 19: 57
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              The Rockefellers have nothing to do with the Jews, like the Morgans and Dupons, etc. Ie I do not mind, but they are not Jews, no matter how I or you would not like it.

              That's right, these are rather closer to the Jewish masons.
    2. ded
      ded 9 November 2012 11: 52
      +27
      Killed every third Belarusian! I do not know of another (if any - name it) affected nation. And the Gypsies! This is what it means to take over the media all over the world and impose your "truth" on everyone! Now every Negro knows that the USA won the war, and only poor Jews died.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 9 November 2012 12: 02
        +19
        Jews are different ..... Hero of the Soviet Union captain 2nd rank Israel Ilyich Fisanovich ..... and another 145 in the same rank, to whom I personally am very far. In those years, such an order was not considered a tsatskoy, it was necessary to be a real hero in order to receive it
        1. Vladimir 70
          Vladimir 70 9 November 2012 13: 03
          +16
          Jews are different ....
          I completely agree that Jews are different, as are representatives of other peoples! Ah, it turns out that all Jews are "poor sheep". We must say frankly that among the representatives of the Jewish people there were both innocent victims and those who stood behind the "revolutions" with the destruction of people, crises and the outbreak of world wars. And that the Jews of Europe were sacrificed by their own fellow tribesmen.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 9 November 2012 15: 37
            +5
            Quote: Vladimir 70
            I completely agree that Jews are different,


            And I agree, like the Russians and Ukrainians, both the ROA and Nachtigall, and 150 Jews fought on the side of Hitler

            "Voenno-Istoricheskiy zhurnal" 1990, no. 9, pp. 39-46 - among all, the figure is 10173 captured Jews, it turns out that on both sides of the front the Jews defended the interests of their country.


            But what generally wild captives, gypsies 383. fought for the Nazis
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 18: 03
              -1
              Vadivak and do not want to study the question before writing this? Mnevot was interesting. 150 thousand are Germans with 1/4 or 1/8 of Jewish blood. As for the captive Jews, this is an interesting fact. All of them were Hungarian citizens and were drafted into the so-called "workers' battalions". I don’t want to go into details, but maybe you’ll ask what it is?
              1. homosum20
                homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 59
                +1
                What I like about you Jews is the discussion about the fractional part of your root.
                Scribe.
                Every Russian in 1 / n is Tatar.
                On 1 / n - French.
                At 1 / n - German.
                And a hundred percent Jew.
                How would you survive, if you had our story.
                No, you would survive. The world would be bent.
          2. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 9 November 2012 16: 55
            +3
            [quote = Vladimir 70] And that the Jews of Europe were sacrificed by their own fellow tribesmen.
            everything is correct +
            And do not rumble all over Russia what poor and offended Jews, how cruelly they were killed throughout Europe. And Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Dagestanis, Armenians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks and so on. killed in their own house chasing Jews, it turns out? All these tales are our dear Jews. You don’t need to be so cynical and ungrateful, because only babies and fools do not see what was with you as a nation, there is and will be if you continue to behave like a cuckoo. in someone else's nest.
        2. donchepano
          donchepano 9 November 2012 14: 21
          +1
          It can be seen from the photo, he was a good guy. Who in the post and where fought, if not secret?
        3. donchepano
          donchepano 9 November 2012 14: 53
          0
          A wanderer, so where did the lieutenant colonel (cap of the 2nd rank) fisanovich fight and in what position? (by someone to make it clearer ...)
          1. urzul
            urzul 9 November 2012 15: 03
            +6
            After graduation, he again arrived in the North. 22 July 1941 year was appointed commander of the submarine M-172. On August 21 of 1941, the M-172 was the first to enter the enemy harbor of Liinahamari and torpedo a vehicle standing at the pier. A day later, a boat under the bow of the enemy’s batteries sends an enemy steam yacht to the bottom of the Barents Sea. Fisanovich was not only the first to break through a narrow long fjord to the enemy port of Petsamo, but also the first among the commanders of the submarine brigade of the Northern Fleet to sink two enemy vehicles in one campaign. So from the very first military campaign, Fisanovich led the cohort of torpedo attack masters.

            During 2, under the command of Israel Fisanovich, the M-172 made 17 combat campaigns. 2 large warships, 10 ships and 1 enemy tankers were sunk - a total of 13 units. The tasks of evacuation and landing of reconnaissance groups behind the rear of the Nazis were completed. All crew members of the M-172 were awarded orders and medals, many more than once.

            By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of April 3 1942 of the year 658 for the courage and bravery shown in battles with the Nazi invaders, Fisanovich Israel Ilyich was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union with the award of the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal (No. 3). By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR from 1942 on April 172, the flag of the M-1943 submarine decorated the Order of the Red Banner, and in April 172, by order of the People's Commissar of the Navy, the red-banner M-4 submarine was transformed into a guards one. In the history of the Soviet fleet there were only 172 guards Red Banner ships and one of them was the "baby" M-XNUMX.
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 9 November 2012 15: 14
              +5
              These guys are needed by the Russian army. Instead of Serdyukov, with rook
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 18: 27
                -4
                donchepano no, that's enough. Let the Smushkevichs, dragoons, cruisers, crankshafts, weintubes fisanovichi and others serve in the IDF.
                1. 11Goor11
                  11Goor11 10 November 2012 03: 14
                  +3
                  Aaron Zawi
                  Let the Smushkevichs, dragoons, cruisers, crankshafts, weintubes fisanovichi and others serve in the IDF.

                  And what are you like this all the time?
                  As heroes, so-so in the IDF, and like all your trash, so on the Echo of Moscow?
                  No, well, you can’t do that?
              2. Nick
                Nick 9 November 2012 20: 07
                +2
                Quote: donchepano
                These guys are needed by the Russian army. Instead of Serdyukov, with rook

                Exactly! And regardless of nationality.
                1. donchepano
                  donchepano 9 November 2012 20: 25
                  +1
                  NIKU + 10005000
                  1. Nick
                    Nick 9 November 2012 22: 34
                    +1
                    Thanks, donchepano, wrote as I think.
                2. ikrut
                  ikrut 14 November 2012 21: 42
                  +1
                  I agree. In my early youth I had a geography teacher - a Jew .. He was awarded the Order of Lenin, well, and other orders and medals. During the war, he commanded a partisan detachment in Belarus. He was a cool guy, wounded many times. Heroic. He died a long time ago. Sometimes in the classroom he told how prisoners of war were freed or German units were attacked. For us boys - then it was just romance. They took it cheerfully. Now, after so many years, I can imagine what it means to receive the Order of Lenin for a "spontaneous" Jewish partisan. I am writing to "spontaneous" because he was not an NKVD officer. And he worked until his death as a simple teacher in a simple school. Although I have an attitude towards the Holocaust .... well ... not so much. It was not only the Jews who suffered. And not so much. Belarusians, I think, no less. if not more. It is not fair to somehow stand out and suffer publicly for the whole world. Of course, Jewish leaders are great. And historical memory is honored well, only this popularization of the Holocaust, personally, is less and less sympathetic to me. and more and more some other reflections.
            2. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 18: 20
              +1
              It was only in the postwar years that it was possible to establish that at 9 hours 39 minutes GMT on July 27, 1944, the boat was mistakenly attacked and sunk by a British coast guard aircraft 230 miles north of the Shetland Islands at a point with coordinates 64 ° 34′00 ″ s. w. 1 ° 16′00 ″ c. d.
              Here is such an absurd death of such a well-deserved Soviet submariner ...
              1. donchepano
                donchepano 9 November 2012 20: 27
                +1
                AND HERE PID ... ANGLIKOSY POPULED. THERE WHO ARE REAL FASCISTS - CHURCHILL FALCONS
          2. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 18: 18
            0
            It is evident that a man in childhood did not read Lev Kassil - he has a story about a boy, it seems his name was Fedya, on the basis of a melt, there, in particular, Fisanovich is mentioned ...
            In general, it is strange that sometimes it seems. that if you know something, then others should know it, but they don’t know it at all ...
            Famous submariners - Lunin, Hajiyev, Fisanovich ...
            1. homosum20
              homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 08
              0
              There are exceptions to each rule. They just confirm the rule.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 13: 03
        +6
        dedDo you know the place Smilovichi? In October 1941, the majority of its population was destroyed there only because they were Jews. My father killed the whole family there. Are they Jews or Belarussians? How to count?
        1. ded
          ded 9 November 2012 13: 34
          +12
          dedYou know the place Smilovichi? In October 1941, most of its population was destroyed there only because they were Jews. My father killed the whole family there. Are they Jews or Belarussians? How to count?



          Aron Zawi. I understand that I offended you and do not want to argue with you on this sore subject. Therefore, I will answer you the same:
          The village where my relatives lived was burned by the Germans. They drove everyone into the stable, closed it and set it on fire. Only a few people escaped, including my uncle, who was then a boy and managed to squeeze into the slot in the barn and run away. Because of the smoke, the Germans did not see him. So there were no Jews there. So excuse me, but I will do what you do: Protect your nation.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 13: 59
            +5
            ded You in no way offended me. I have tremendous respect for your courageous and hardworking people. I just would like to clarify that not every third Belarusian, but every third resident of the BSSR died during the Second World War.
        2. homosum20
          homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 11
          +3
          Does it matter in this context?
          My mother is 100% Belarusian. They were driven into a barn in Trodovichi, and they began to set fire to it. Further - as in the film - parisans, broken gates.
          Did she stop being Belarusian?
          Or after this, the Jews cease to be Jews?
        3. slas
          slas 11 November 2012 19: 37
          0
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Are they Jews or Belarussians? How to count?

          More than 2 million Jews died in World War II in the USSR
      3. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 13: 20
        +5
        Quote: ded
        Died every third Belarus!

        Yes, and animals from Europe were almost forgiven for this, but there is no Jewish guilt here, and the argument of whom the more perilous is dead and does not give birth to truth, the one who killed is now fed up and satisfied.
        1. ded
          ded 9 November 2012 13: 48
          +6
          but the guilt of the Jews is not here


          You did not understand me. I don't blame the Jews. I blame the Belarusians for being too kind and tolerant or, as they say, "tolerant", and allow other peoples to tell tales about their chosenness and special role in history.
          1. Kyrgyz
            Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 14: 51
            +3
            Quote: ded
            I blame Belarusians for being too kind and tolerant or, as they say, "tolerant", and allow other peoples to tell tales about their chosenness and special role in history.

            Belarusians cannot be blamed for this, the lack of vanity and tolerance is not a sin, and in the absence of vanity and with such tolerance and the ability to forgive such things, the peoples of the USSR are rebellious and our state is eternal, but with the election of Jews, Israel is not
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 9 November 2012 15: 23
              +2
              In general, the grandfather of "Kirghiz" Belarusians must be patient and tolerant and continue to endure like girls in a house of tolerance, and other peoples are disobedient, therefore they rise up and they can be intolerant
              ... And the Belarusians must endure everything ... This is according to the "Kyrgyz"
              almost like in the bible ... Some sheep are astray, and other shepherds (shepherds).
              and the fate of the sheep is always one
              1. ded
                ded 9 November 2012 16: 54
                +2
                Belarusians should be patient, tolerant and continue to endure like girls in a house of tolerance


                There is such an anecdote:

                They sit on the shop Russian, Ukrainian and Belarus, and on the bench nails are scattered.
                Sit down Russian. Well, a nail in his ass. The Russian jumps up, screams, swears, and before sitting down, he brushes the nails off the bench to the floor.
                The Ukrainian will sit down and all the same - jumps up, screams, swears, but before sitting down he carefully collects nails and shoves them in his pockets - they will suddenly come in handy.
                Sit down Belarus. Full .ope of nails, and he sits and thinks: MAY SO AND NEED?

                This joke quite accurately describes the situation:

                Russian - "shirt guy", which is in mind and in the language.
                The Ukrainian is the more cunning and more economic one.
                And the Belarusian - he doesn't care, the main thing is that no one touches him!
                1. donchepano
                  donchepano 9 November 2012 21: 03
                  +2
                  grandfather, and which bastard was dirty and poured nails in the ass, did not think?
                  guess one time ...
        2. Nick
          Nick 9 November 2012 20: 12
          +1
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          the argument of whom more evil is dead and will not give birth to truth

          A very wise thought.
    3. ughhh
      ughhh 9 November 2012 11: 58
      0
      connection check
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 9 November 2012 12: 04
      +17
      Quote: domokl
      .Holocaust is cool, and 27 million Russians are so

      And it seems to me that the GDP, speaking about the Holocaust, interprets its broad formulation. As there in Vick, "In modern English, with a capital letter (" Holocaust ") the word is used in the meaning of the extermination of Jews by the Nazis, and with a lowercase letter (holocaust) - in other cases. In Russian, the word" Holocaust "is used to denote a concept that is not with a proper name, written with a lowercase letter, and in relation to the murder of Jews - with a capital. In Russian, the term "Holocaust" (with a lowercase letter) also means any act of genocide. "
      If you write correctly, changing only the size of one letter, then you will get 27 million Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians. But as Putin said there, with a capital letter, or with a small one - it was not heard. The nuance, however ...
      1. wax
        wax 9 November 2012 13: 01
        +2
        It is good that there is Kaa in Ukraine - there are more of these, and our peoples will once again be united as their single genetic root.
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 9 November 2012 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: Kaa
        But as Putin said there, with a capital letter, or with a small one - it was not heard. The nuance, however ...

        I think that with a big one, Jews are running around with their Holocaust, and we just mourn quietly, we consider below our dignity to draw attention to the grief of our people.
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 15
          0
          What is the Holocaust?
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 10 November 2012 02: 48
          +1
          Quote: Uncle
          I think that with a big one, Jews are rushing around with their Holocaust, and we just mourn quietly

          If you think so, catch the quote; "But what was discovered in Moscow is not just a cultural and historical center dedicated to a particular nation," Vladimir Putin stressed:
          “This is another common contribution to the fight against xenophobia and nationalism. I am sure that not only Russian citizens will visit this Center Jewish nationality, but also Russians - representatives of different faiths and ethnic groups. We in Russia had huge casualties during the Second World War. And most of the dead were among the Russian people. But we will never forget what sacrifices the Jewish people suffered in the fight against Nazism. We will never forget Holocaust.http: //news.rambler.ru/16280003/
          In my opinion, all the emphasis in the discussion is set.
    5. volcano
      volcano 9 November 2012 12: 49
      +10
      Quote: domokl
      The president is too flirting with the Jewish community ...

      Oh domokl

      Directly removed from the tongue ... to the point ......

      I do not like the increasingly close kisses with the Jews ..... after October 17 I do not like them.


      Oh, they’ll run from the next branch of Lenin’s Fan .... naminusuyut .... horror ...

      will shout that the Jews had nothing to do with the year 17 .....
    6. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 13: 13
      +3
      domokl maybe all the same 27 million Soviet citizens? Including almost 2 million Jews, of which 200 thousand died in the ranks of the Red Army, and the rest were destroyed in the occupied territory. And the loss of Ukrainians, Belarusians, Georgians, etc. shall we consider? I do not underestimate the colossal role of the Russians themselves in the victory in Germany, especially considering that it was from the territory of the RSFSR in 1941-1943 that they mobilized up to 75% in the Red Army, but not only Russians and not only Russians died.
      1. homosum20
        homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 17
        0
        I have not noticed your posts before. And in this thread you are a leader. Is it because someone hurts, does that mean that?
        Or just do not care for the rest?
    7. YARY
      YARY 9 November 2012 16: 29
      0
      I don’t understand why, how about some thread of genocide, ЖItelians ИZrail ДolinЫ??
      And millions of others just did not exist?
      Why is it not recognized that a bright representative western democracy(he was chosen according to all the canons in a democratic election) Adolf Hitler, pointed to Slavs like subhuman and to be destroyed ???
      Why does our president not raise this issue?
      Why does the press not chew it for any reason and without it?
      Why???
      The answer that revolves in the language is self-evident!
    8. domokl
      domokl 9 November 2012 17: 07
      +5
      It’s strange how my comment was received ... I’m not at all opposed to the fact that the Jews fought, were heroes, etc. Just sticking out one affected nation to the detriment of others is unfair and even criminal ... Why are Belarusians worse than Jews? My father is three times they drove to the village council to burn, but for some reason they didn’t burn ... A kid, a very small one ... Or cut out the Smolensk, Moscow, Tula, Kaluga regions? Why are they not mentioned? Putin is the president of Russia, so you need to, if you have to mention, mention all nations, mention that we remember and do not forget this ...
      But the comments of the Jews surprised me ... Guys, no one wants to humiliate you ... Nobody wants to say that the Jewish people are worse or better than others ... You just have some kind of fear that they won’t understand you
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 18: 12
        -3
        domokl in general, I am surprised by the comments in the topic. The Ethnographic Museum is dedicated to the Jews of both RI and the USSR. It is not at all about the Holocaust. The museum was created due to the fact that, according to the forecasts of demographers, by 2030 the Jewish community of Russia will practically cease to exist. Today, according to the last census, 160 thousand Jews live in the Russian Federation. The average age is 61. Only 100 out of 18 Russian Jews are under 3 years old. Emigration continues. So, ladies and gentlemen, do not worry yet Russia will be "Judenfrey" with you.
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 19
          +1
          I completely agree with you. There are so few of you, but there are so many go ... sorry, noise.
    9. Ross
      Ross 9 November 2012 19: 24
      0
      domokl,
      The president is too flirting with the Jewish community ...


      He probably remembered well the fate of the Romanovs, who had a different policy towards the "community".
      1. homosum20
        homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 20
        0
        You need to go to the government.
        Look at the root.
    10. Nick
      Nick 9 November 2012 19: 51
      0
      Quote: domokl
      The president is too flirting with the Jewish community ...

      If only not with the Jews ... There is a difference.
  2. sergey32
    sergey32 9 November 2012 11: 25
    +12
    I have nothing against the Jewish museum, there is someone to give money for it, but what does the center of tolerance mean? If this is the center of tolerance, then please come to Europe with this.
    1. Funker1981
      Funker1981 9 November 2012 11: 29
      +20
      Also, I have nothing against establishing relationships, but
      center of tolerance
      I already cringed .. Go to @ opu with your tolerance ...
      1. homosum20
        homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 24
        0
        I wonder what will be with tolerance when Israel barks (and everything goes to that. If there are Saudis, the American dog begins to bark at the Jews - the scribe).
        And what meaning would the word "holocaust" take then?
        Will the Germans be returned from the gold reserve?
        And will the Russians from Israel relate to the new law on emigrants?
  3. kopar
    kopar 9 November 2012 11: 32
    +20
    Jews have to constantly shout about the Holocaust, otherwise how will they kick money out of Europe? Well, there is a special topic about the perished Soviet people. The "Jews" themselves do not care about our troubles.
  4. Hammer
    Hammer 9 November 2012 11: 34
    +19
    While some Eucheans are kissed in the opera, the other Dmitry Lvovich Bykov (aka Zilbeltrud) with impunity and publicly calls (in Kazan) for the collapse of Russia.
    What kind of selectivity is this ?! am
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 9 November 2012 12: 09
      +6
      executions will save our country
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 13: 18
      -6
      Hammerthat's interesting, you share the halves. The Nobel laureate Alferov is Russian, although his mother is Jewish, and Bykov whose Russian mother divorced his father when Bykov was 3 years old and with whom he had never met again, he is now Jewish. I do not mind, but curious.
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 9 November 2012 13: 50
        +2
        I didn’t understand something: Bykov’s mother divorced the Nobel laureate Alferov when Bykov was 3 years old? Is bulls taking revenge in this way? Something is not in Alferov’s rules ..
      2. serjant4
        serjant4 9 November 2012 16: 00
        +1
        Alferov could not be Russian, because the mother is Jewish, among Jews the nationality of the mother is considered ....
      3. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 10 November 2012 00: 46
        -1
        Jewish nationality - by mother (in the sense of mother)
        1. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 10 November 2012 17: 08
          0
          Quote: d.gksueyjd
          Jewish nationality - by mother (in the sense of mother)

          Maybe someone did not understand the nationality of the mother.
          I don’t understand who put me minus the truth? Try to prove the opposite!
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 9 November 2012 13: 46
      +5
      This labor Zilbert (Bykov) is a real extremist calling for the collapse of the country and inciting ethnic hatred. For 10 years in the uranium mines to grow wiser
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 13: 50
        -5
        donchepano Yes, even on a lamppost, but why is he Zilbert if he is a Bull?
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 9 November 2012 14: 10
          0
          Zilbertrud his name, if I’m not mistaken, appeared in Kazan in front of Shaimiev and raised an extremist wave
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 14: 16
            -1
            donchepano
            Zilbertrud apparently was the last name of Mr. Bykov’s father, but his mother, after the bickering, gave her son her maiden name. This was all the more easier since Mr. Bykov was three years old at the time of the divorce of his parents.
            1. homosum20
              homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 32
              0
              It is surprising that his last name is not Karasev.
          2. urzul
            urzul 9 November 2012 14: 24
            +5
            End your anti-Semitic attacks.
            Born in the family of Lev Moiseevich Zilbeltrud and Natalia Iosifovna Bykova. Parents soon divorced and the child was raised by her mother, a teacher of Russian language and literature at school number 1214 in Moscow.
            Bykov graduated from high school with a gold medal in 1984 and the faculty of journalism of Moscow State University with honors in 1991. From 1987 to 1989, he served in the army for a year.
            Since 1985 of the year he has been working in "Interlocutor", with 1993 it is published in "Spark" (browser - from 1997 of the year).
            He collaborated or published in almost all Moscow weekly newspapers and several daily newspapers, regularly in Ogonyok, Vecherny Klub, Stolitsa, Obschestvennaya Gazeta and Novaya Gazeta. Member of the Writers' Union since 1991. He released five novels and six poetry collections, as well as three books of articles and fairy tales.
            Wife - Irina Lukyanova, prose writer and translator. Bykov has two children
            In general, they consider their nationality by mother
            1. homosum20
              homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 33
              +1
              Joseph was a dad from the Swahili tribe? Or I don’t understand anything, or is Zilbertrud a traitor to the motherland, and, as most often happens, a Jew?
    4. homosum20
      homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 27
      0
      Oooh, this is a very delicate question. You understand - the Holocaust, the chosen people, the Jewish lobby - oooooh !!!
      Bl.t, put everyone on the edge of the moat and from the machine gun.
  5. Login
    Login 9 November 2012 11: 39
    +10
    It would be better if the monuments to the fallen Heroes were tidied up than the opening of the Jewish Museum ... Then Putin’s words would have made sense ... Already it hurts from such an article!
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 35
      +1
      My friend, England has no friends. There are interests. Apparently, with us, fortunately, it was the same. Believe me, fortunately.
  6. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 9 November 2012 11: 42
    +5
    the opening of the Jewish Museum and the Center for Tolerance in Moscow.

    Well this is superfluous !!! do they have enough space on the promised land for the museum?
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 9 November 2012 20: 37
      0
      They have no land. They crucified Christ and curse on them. And what they have, thanks to the Arab spring, is pulled out from under them.
  7. Lavrik
    Lavrik 9 November 2012 11: 48
    +7
    Back in Soviet times, he read the history of World War II by an American author. It detailed the dozens of pages describing the combat activities of the division (brigade) of Americans (British) in North Africa. And on the 1-2s — of our troops — such-and-such fronts struck there, such-and-such — on the Eastern Front. It was just funny to read. And now in the West many are sure that only they won the war. And the SS battalions of the Baltic states, the UPA rendered them invaluable assistance. Many now do not know that the USSR participated in the war.
  8. Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 9 November 2012 11: 50
    +6
    And, why not open a museum of Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian, Chuvash, Bashkir, Kalmyk .... and other peoples and nationalities?
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 9 November 2012 11: 58
      +7
      Vladimir 70

      Quote: Vladimir 70
      And, why not open a museum of Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian, Chuvash, Bashkir, Kalmyk .... and other peoples and nationalities?

      I support you, +


      "This is stated in the message of Russian President Vladimir Putin to the guests of the opening ceremony of the Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center in Moscow." - this is D UR D O M !!!!!!

      It’s even disgusting to comment, but the fact that Lazar is not even a citizen of a COUNTRY (even if a second citizenship of the Russian Federation appeared), and he is accepted by SAM ... the second D UR D O M ...
    2. the polar
      the polar 9 November 2012 12: 06
      +3
      And because the "guarantor" said that focusing on any nationality is a direct path to the collapse of Russia, and the Jews are "God's chosen people."
      So be tolerant ... and you will be fine
    3. Denzel13
      Denzel13 9 November 2012 12: 14
      +3
      And in Israel too.
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 13: 20
      +1
      Vladimir 70Have you been to the Historical Museums of Moscow and Kiev? It's a pity . Stunning museums.
      1. Vladimir 70
        Vladimir 70 9 November 2012 20: 49
        0
        SW Aron Zawi visited historical museums .... And what's the catch?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 10 November 2012 00: 43
          0
          Vladimir 70
          Why the catch request . It was just about museums devoted to Russian or Ukrainian, etc. nations, because they have existed for a long time and have gigantic funds. It is strange that the rosian does not know this. As for the Jews, they are bad or not, but it was a people living in the territories joined to the Republic of Ingushetia at the end of the 18 century and was it bad, whether it was good to live close by, or even along with the Russian people, for a long period of history. The museum was built in memory of this people, especially given its extinction on the territory of the Russian Federation.
          1. Vladimir 70
            Vladimir 70 10 November 2012 09: 44
            +2
            Aaron Zawi I said that among the representatives of the Jewish people there are both innocent victims and accomplices of revolutions and wars with the destruction of a large number of people of different nationalities. You constantly pay attention to the first, and you do not recognize the second. This is not correct And one more thing: for the state of Israel it is not the Arabs and Iran that pose a threat, but the "world puppeteers" (among them, by the way, there are many representatives of your nationality)
          2. donchepano
            donchepano 10 November 2012 15: 06
            0
            you need to live not badly with all nations, but good and then there will be no one to be offended by.
            Offer to all Russian peoples:
            LET'S LIVE GOOD AND FRIENDLY!
            And everyone will be happy
            Especially if the Russian government reduces gas prices for gas, electricity for the population to real 20-30 kopecks. behind:
            cubic meter, liter, and kilowatt. At least as in Turkmenistan, if anyone does not know
            Is it possible to wind up such rates for the population?
            Poor grannies pay in the winter months for heating in their homes from 3 to 6-7 thousand.
            This is the country ranked 1st in the world in gas production.
            Is this fair?
            1. urzul
              urzul 12 November 2012 11: 36
              0
              Poor Turkmenistan:
              Turkmenistan - 4-I in the world for natural gas reserves. Has the second largest gas field in the world.
              And the population in 5 000 000
    5. donchepano
      donchepano 9 November 2012 14: 26
      +1
      Putin has no money for it
    6. kopar
      kopar 9 November 2012 16: 14
      +1
      They themselves understood what they wrote ?! Opening such museums, the government recognizes the heroic sacrifice of these peoples! And why, if everyone needs to constantly poke into the cruel attitude of the Nazis to the unhappy Jewish people. They only need money, and they don’t give a damn about other nations.
  9. Dimitr
    Dimitr 9 November 2012 11: 54
    +10
    Poor Moscow, why not just open it! And the center of tolerance - is that another gay club? It’s somehow not clear!
    1. Login
      Login 9 November 2012 12: 09
      0
      It’s even worse than a gay club, but worse because the money for opening this museum was hardly taken from these same Jews ... This money was most likely taken from you dear citizens, and as I said earlier, it would be better to let necessary things ...
    2. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 10 November 2012 17: 17
      0
      So Moscow does not produce anything and lives off the rest of Russia! The city is existing at the expense of taxes. Introduction - tax payments at the place of actual location would raise many regions and withdraw them from the subsidized ones!
  10. old rocket man
    old rocket man 9 November 2012 12: 04
    +7
    Of course, in fairness, the museum is open with Jewish money,but why in Moscow ? And what does tolerance have to do with it? It would be more correct to open this museum in Germany, as a reminder to the Germans wassat
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 9 November 2012 12: 14
      +5
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      museum is open with Jewish money


      Depressed by Jews from other peoples in different ways, such as:

      - whining about the Holocaust and asking for compensation (I wonder how many centuries must pass before the Jewish people stop parasitizing on this topic?)
      - robbing both people and countries by means of credit enslavement by Jewish bankers (someone will argue that usury has been the main occupation of these guys since biblical times? And why, then, the Forbes list is a solid guide to the Jewish families of the World?)
      -. well, etc ... everyone who sees may see ...
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 9 November 2012 13: 04
        +5
        Quote: vadimN
        Depressed by Jews from Other Nations in Different Ways

        I agree, that's right
    2. ded
      ded 9 November 2012 13: 15
      +6
      but why in Moscow?


      Moscow is the most expensive land, and as I understand it, it went to the Jewish Museum for free! Here is the answer! Then you can attach a cafe to the museum, add a floor for offices, etc. etc. ...
  11. Jin
    Jin 9 November 2012 12: 05
    +8
    Strange guys! You did not notice that, in principle, the reviews are generally negative, and the rating of the article is in the black ... what I’ll go and put a minus ... no, not an article, it’s correct that they educate about such matters, I’ll put a minus of tolerance (((
  12. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 9 November 2012 12: 10
    +6
    Already the whole president noted with attention the opening of a museum. Nasty :-(
  13. KRAVEN333
    KRAVEN333 9 November 2012 12: 13
    +4
    Jews in the land were overgrown, pulling money and pulling. And to our losses and stupidly, do not give a shit.
  14. Cripple cross
    Cripple cross 9 November 2012 12: 16
    +9
    MY OPINION!!! JEWISH HOLOCAUST WASN'T !!! Jews were even in the service of Hitler !!!
    Holocaust offends Russians !!!! More Russians died than Jews! The Jews have their own official state, where they can lobby for their Holocaust! I haven’t been told anything to the people of another country, another religion, especially when I am in my homeland. I will never try on what humiliates my self-esteem and offends me and my nation. And I will teach my children as I see fit, and not as they want *****.
    1. Orthodox warrior
      Orthodox warrior 9 November 2012 12: 51
      +5
      Cripple cross,
      I agree with you completely! So what kind of event is this ?! The museum was opened by Jews for Jews and + some kind of tolerance. What is the Holocaust ?! More than 20 million Soviet people died! This is the price of Victory! And a bunch of Jews were spanked by the Fritzes. So what? So other peoples suffered from the Germans more abruptly than the Jews ... Siki. Or am I wrong? The Jews were God's chosen people, but "the greed of the frayer ruined" and they became despised by everyone! So they stink for how many centuries in a row. Devils won't calm down.
      And about tolerance ... I don’t like to walk around Moscow and look at black and narrow-film tolerance. I must be more tolerant, I understand, but ... I can not!
      Museum ... so his foot! ..
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 9 November 2012 13: 26
        -9
        And a bunch of Jews Fritz spanked...... in a bunch was 6 000 000 people, by the way ....................... At least 1,4-1,5 million Jews fought in the armies of the anti-Hitler coalition, including 556 thousand in US Army and 501 thousand - in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR. Hundreds of thousands of Jewish soldiers died, more than 350 thousand were injured, and one in three was seriously injured. Even during the war, 50 thousand of them died from wounds.
        1. vadimN
          vadimN 9 November 2012 14: 04
          +4
          And did you try to knock down similar comparative statistics for other nations and nationalities?
          Try it, and it will immediately become clear which people brought peace to their hump, with their blood, and saved the same Jews from total annihilation. They owe it to us all their lives, in all their generations to pay compensation for our victims and for their salvation as a backgammon!
          1. urzul
            urzul 9 November 2012 14: 17
            +4
            Calm down dear.
            They owe it to us all their lives, in all their generations to pay compensation for our victims and for their salvation as a backgammon!
            That is, according to your USSR, only Jews were to enter the war to protect?
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 9 November 2012 15: 38
              -1
              Quote: urzul
              That is, according to your USSR, only Jews were to enter the war to protect?

              I will say more, the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was concluded precisely for this purpose, because "A significant number of Jews lived in the territories annexed by the Soviet Union in 1939-40. In Lithuania, excluding the Vilna region, - 150, in Latvia - 000 , in Estonia - 95, in Western Ukraine and Western Belarus - 000, in Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina - 5, i.e. only 000 "http://gariga.boom.ru/rootRiga/ photoalbumCitydead.html
              Solzhenitsyn quoted the same figures ... And Europe is still shouting, "a conspiracy of two dictators, a conspiracy of two dictators" - why does not Stalin yet have the title of "Righteous Among the Nations" for so many people saved ?!
          2. strannik595
            strannik595 9 November 2012 14: 26
            -2
            where I wrote that thanks exclusively to the Jews the war was won and they brought the most to the altar of Victory? it’s just disgusting when everyone is mixed up in a heap, and revolutionaries and Heroes of the Great Patriotic War and prisoners of concentration camps and indiscriminately groan on a national basis ............... Vlasov and Chikatilo were Russian, so what? Now consider all Russian traitors and sadists?
            1. Cripple cross
              Cripple cross 9 November 2012 14: 43
              +4
              strannik595,
              Here they are not trying to lump everyone together, the question is, WHAT BASIS THE JEWS ARE TRYING TO PRESENT THEIR NUMBER ONE ??? Show their `` God's chosenness ''? Can't live peacefully like everyone else? Okay, let them be proud of what they want, everyone has a right to it. But on what basis, for the sake of their pride, the Russians should sacrifice theirs? Explain these two questions.
              1. strannik595
                strannik595 9 November 2012 14: 56
                +1
                is someone calling you to sacrifice your pride? Be proud of your health ........ the genocide of the Jews really took place on the part of the Germans, however, like the Slavs ......... for the Nazis, all but them were inferior subhuman ........ ...... why, I do not understand, incite hatred on a national basis? Jews, in the past, are truly God-bearing people, then, in the person of its individual representatives, who crucified his Messiah, now such a people has become the Russian people who accepted Christ God who believed and was baptized in Him.................... you can minus as much as you like, though the truth from minuses does not cease to be true
                1. Cripple cross
                  Cripple cross 9 November 2012 15: 13
                  +6
                  strannik595,
                  however, like the Slavs ......... for the Nazis, everyone except them was inferior subhuman ..............

                  Here I agree.
                  So why are Jews trying to get everyone to say the words HOLOCAUST? Compensations are still shaking. The war was over; everyone had a heavy grief and loss. There is no Hitler, the Germans received a lesson in the form of the Berlin Wall and still remember this. There are already almost our grandfathers who fought, ent already those who directly organized bloody massacres, were executed from. It has become a story. This must undoubtedly be remembered by all mankind, but not for the sake of profit in the form of receiving monetary compensation and all sorts of obeisances from other nations.
                  If Jews would like tolerance, then they would not stick out their chests with a wheel and beat themselves with their heels in the chest with the words “We are the most offended and therefore only respect us for that.” This is not respected but disgusted.
        2. Orthodox warrior
          Orthodox warrior 9 November 2012 15: 12
          +1
          strannik595,
          are you a jew
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 9 November 2012 15: 14
            -3
            I don’t graze cows with you, you don’t need to poke ........... I am Russian, I hope more Russian than you ....... "Are you a Jew?" usually Hans spoke and escorted to gazen-wagen wink
  15. bubla5
    bubla5 9 November 2012 12: 17
    +3
    I agree the Jewish Museum should be in Israel, well, in extreme cases, in the Jewish capital Birobidzhan
    1. urzul
      urzul 9 November 2012 12: 25
      +2
      There are no Jews left, one name
  16. TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 9 November 2012 12: 17
    +1
    politics is a nasty thing. As I understand it, Putin supports the idea of ​​the Holocaust of the Jews so that Jews support the recognition of the Holocaust of the Soviet people, then - the correctness of the Soviet Union in the fight against Nazism-fascism, and - the right to recognize the victory over Nazism-fascism for the USSR. Hand - washes a hand. This is unpleasant, but in the fight against the Western propaganda machine for the right to be proud of our Victory, we Our politicians should cooperate with those who influence the politics of the West and the USA ...
  17. to4kavserdce
    to4kavserdce 9 November 2012 12: 35
    -3
    This is done to strengthen friendly relations in our far from peaceful time !! The Nazis wanted to carry out the genocide of Jews and Russians.
    Or is it not visible ?? Or is it not clear? YOU! fool
  18. donchepano
    donchepano 9 November 2012 12: 53
    +3
    there was genocide (which continues) also by the Slavic people after 1917:
    genocide of the Cossacks according to the directive of Sverdlov with the knowledge of Lenin "on the total extermination of the Cossacks" from 1918
    there were famines in Ukraine and in Russia, all kinds of surplus appraisals and taxes on peasants, the seizure of food by the Bolsheviks by the Chekists. Why don't they remember this?
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 13: 26
      0
      Quote: donchepano
      Why don't they remember this?

      And who should remember this? Remind - write shout. They didn’t exterminate the civilian on the grounds of genetic inferiority, there is a struggle for power, do not confuse the warm with the soft, and Catherine cut out the Circassians, but she cut out because the thieves were murderers, they stole people, they robbed them and didn’t let them live - they died. Hitler and his entourage killed for pleasure simply because of hatred, there is still a difference between a maniac killer and a soldier
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 9 November 2012 13: 58
        +1
        in civilian thousands of miles from Moscow killed for power? Do not tell me please.
        it was exterminated by taking away the last grain and bread and driving them out of the houses in the winter to frost with small children and then destroying these houses. nothing reminds?
        "Kyrgyz" in quotation marks
        1. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 15: 07
          -2
          Quote: donchepano
          in civilian thousands of miles from Moscow killed for power?

          Yes, for power, there is also a country, and power is also needed (and Chechnya 90-00 is also for power), power was weak, there were many competitors, and the Russian Orthodox Church and white partists and anarchists were among them, they all wanted to influence, dissent had to be eradicated, at that time that was the norm. Power in Russia is expensive, often blood
          Quote: donchepano
          taking the last grain and bread

          If about the kulaks, then it was a struggle against an economic imbalance, an emerging oligarchy, if you like, if about the Volga region the country needed money, it could only be obtained for grain, since the "developed economy" of tsarist Russia no longer produced nichrome and money was urgently needed for industry to ensure the sovereignty and security of the country. As a result, many died, but in order for the rest to continue to live not as slaves. During the revolution, the position of the worker was a slave all over the world and only after the VOSR began to improve it in fear.
          Is it possible to sacrifice people for the benefit of the state or nation, each has its own opinion on this matter, IMHO, looking at what kind of necessity, but in the period 1914 - 1945 all the victims were justified.
          1. donchepano
            donchepano 9 November 2012 16: 05
            +1
            but tell me the definition of a fist who decided and by what criteria?
            if the bandits are criminals Blumkins and Dzerzhinsky and the like, then of course families of 12 children with a cow and a horse and a bucket of wheat until the spring were kulak. And of course they were subject to extermination.
            This is the policy of the Parvus Trotsky "to transform Russia into a country of white slaves and to arrange such bloodshed as they have never known on earth."
            so you are not at all Kyrgyz .. ears are visible
            1. Kyrgyz
              Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 17: 16
              -1
              Quote: donchepano
              if the bandits are criminals Blumkins and Dzerzhinsky

              I do not justify anyone, I give the cause and effect of events, the revolution is always blood, but sometimes it is necessary
              1. donchepano
                donchepano 9 November 2012 21: 53
                0
                But did the people need this revolution?
                1. Kyrgyz
                  Kyrgyz 10 November 2012 08: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: donchepano
                  But did the people need this revolution?

                  Yes, it is necessary, the people were poor and powerless without prospects, the elites were rotten and they didn’t care about the problems of the people, so the boiler exploded
      2. donchepano
        donchepano 9 November 2012 15: 54
        0
        "Kirghiz" to your great disappointment, the Circassians did not die out, but live and prosper this to the warm with the soft:
        Kabardinians in the CBD
        Adyghe people in RA
        actually in the KCR, not counting the Kuban +
        200 in Syria
        back in jordan, yemen, egypt, etc.
        Well, + 5 million in Turkey
        and by the way, no one gave you the right to call a whole nation thieves and murderers ...
        this is already kindling
        1. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 17: 26
          -1
          Quote: donchepano
          "Kirghiz" to your great disappointment, the Circassians did not die out, but live and prosper this to a warm with a soft

          In the word I cut out the emphasis on A and not on Y, I don’t care about exactly this people how many there are and where they are, I gave it as an example of a war against a specific people when the people deserved it, but that was long ago and everything was paid there
          Quote: donchepano
          and by the way, no one gave you the right to call a whole nation thieves and murderers ... this is already inciting

          Well, in their culture, killing to rob and steal Russians was not only the norm at that time, again, I do not blame them, I say that in the end they answered for their norms with blood and this was justified. Once the Mongols for the murder of the Mongol were punished by death and fined for the murder of the Chinese request such were the times such manners examples mass
          There is no incitement here, I do not call for anything and do not insult anyone
  19. erased
    erased 9 November 2012 13: 07
    +2
    The words are true, but why is the thing not visible? The attacks of the Baltic states and former friends from Europe, the surrender of the Katyn case, although there was far from what they say. And with the Holocaust, not everything is clear.
    Either reveal all the secrets and uphold the honor and dignity of the country, or crawl on your knees. Half will not work.
  20. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 13: 15
    +2
    Jews unveiled a monument to the Red Army, we unveiled a monument to fallen Jews, there is nothing wrong, what Jews say about the atrocities of Nazi Europe is right, it’s not right that we don’t talk about the fallen Russian Ukrainians and Belarusians, because we don’t talk about our fallen makes the fallen Jews alive. There is nothing reprehensible in contacts with Jews and joint activities with them and cannot be, just as accusations against 10 mln from 150 mln of your troubles cannot but seem ridiculous. If we take geopolitics into account, then Russia has much more opportunities to spoil Israel’s life than Israel’s Russia, but this does not mean that relations should be built on this.
  21. skeptic
    skeptic 9 November 2012 13: 29
    +4
    Well, if the Museum of TOLERANCE, then it is logical to highlight the genocide against all the peoples of the WORLD in the Second World War. True, against the background of the victims of the peoples of the USSR, gentlemen, Jews can get lost, which does not correspond to their idea. Therefore, a museum of tolerance for the Jewish people and only !!!
  22. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 9 November 2012 14: 09
    +3
    The Russian authorities are ready to recognize the genocide of even cockroaches, but not of their people.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 9 November 2012 14: 35
      0
      because probably for Russia ... the Yang power the indigenous people are far from their own ..
      it’s obviously easier for her to invite the Chinese and others who will lick their feet and work seven days a week for a handful of rice. And maybe even eating pasture. These ones are more likely to be their own because they don’t bark and practically do not ask for food, since they are eating everything that moves. And Lenin seemed to use the services of Chinese mercenary soldiers sometime.
  23. Oleg S.
    Oleg S. 9 November 2012 14: 22
    0
    The museum is subject to demolition! And destruction !!!
    Potama as not a PLACE in the Capital of Orthodoxy Jewish Museum !! This is just an insult to all the people !! An insult to the memory of Catherine 2, who even then issued a decree that .... "The Jewish people left the entire Russian Empire" ... and hung a yoke around their neck in the shape of a star of David and the inscription "Jew". It was not just that even then they were driven into stitching from the lands of Rus.
    2 point is "tolerance" ... Sorry move over gentlemen good, not for Jews to sing about talerance !!! since the beginning of 1947, how many Arabs they killed, liberating the territory for themselves ... just whole villages disappeared and it was hushed up with the help of the USA !!
    This discovery is not good ... it’s also how it will come to us ...
  24. petro
    petro 9 November 2012 14: 32
    -7
    It's just that Putin does not need to be confused - the revision of the total of the Second World War with the restoration of historical justice. What is one Molotov-Ribentrop Pact that actually unleashed the Second World War. And while studying at school in the USSR, I not only did not see photographs, but I didn’t even hear about the Soviet -fascist parade in Brest in 1939, and even under the blasphemous name - "parade of winners." And how many such prohibited topics were then.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 14: 57
      +2
      Quote: petro
      Why is there one Molotov-Ribentrop Pact that actually unleashed the Second World War?

      It costs a delay and time to equip the army, without this pact the USSR would have been weaker, well, let’s say Western European disassemblies
      Quote: petro
      Yes, and while studying at school in the USSR, I not only did not see the photos, but I didn’t even hear about the Soviet-fascist parade in Brest in 1939, and even under the blasphemous name - "parade of winners"

      Well, the war then ended in Berlin, and letting the spread of rumors about the success of the enemy during the war be unacceptable because it demoralizes the citizen and undermines the fighting spirit, the execution of such kind of truth-cutters-alarmists is justified at all times
      Quote: petro
      how many prohibited topics were there then

      And now how much? How was the Georgian trick 888 covered in democracies?
  25. Marine One
    Marine One 9 November 2012 14: 39
    +7
    From a number of comments and commentators, he is perceptibly frustrated by a cesspool and long-standing children's insults. Perhaps it’s a shame for the grandfathers who were escorting around Moscow on July 17, 1944. Take a closer look, guys, maybe you will recognize relatives and dear to the heart faces.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 9 November 2012 15: 08
      -8
      oh, exactly, my uncle goes third from the left in the right lane !!!!! laughing laughing laughing and subhuman guard ....
      1. Orthodox warrior
        Orthodox warrior 9 November 2012 15: 18
        +5
        strannik595,
        All the same, they found out ... Yeah, genes ... such a thing that you can’t argue! wink
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 9 November 2012 15: 32
          -2
          you already decide whether I am Jewish or German wink
          1. Cripple cross
            Cripple cross 9 November 2012 15: 53
            +3
            strannik595,
            For you to know, Hitler also had Jews in the service and, moreover, in high officer ranks. so I believe that you could see a relative there)))
          2. donchepano
            donchepano 9 November 2012 16: 09
            +1
            wanderer genatsvale, welcome to visit ... Wah
    2. donchepano
      donchepano 9 November 2012 22: 02
      0
      Well, you and the centuries-old sense of smell marina (or sailor) 1st
      a real odorological phenomenon ... German melon from 45 years catch
  26. Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 9 November 2012 16: 37
    +3
    For volkan
    Good afternoon!
    Quote: volkan
    And do not bring an example when someone used the Jews for their own purposes ..


    In the early 30s, the Baku crafts were taken from the Nobel (Rothschilds) and given to the Rockefellers concession, and industrialization was carried out with the help of the USA, Their equipment, technology, and personnel, only our money. It is very important that at that moment, 1929, in England it was decided to close the UK market from American goods and not to maintain economic ties with the USSR, which caused the USA and the USSR tremendous economic damage, and the mutual trade of the USSR and the USA in 30-- x years helped to withstand the crisis and the Americans and us contrary to the plans of the UK (Rothschilds) ..
    The Jews financed some of the Bolsheviks (Trotsky) for their own purposes, but ultimately Stalin used this money against them.
    And now, many opportunities for Putin are opening up in places where there are contradictions between the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds
    Anyway, the USSR is more likely a Rockefeller idea, it didn’t work out as planned, but this is a completely different story ...
    Alexander 1958
  27. Nechai
    Nechai 9 November 2012 16: 59
    +6
    Quote: Alexander 1958
    The Jews financed some of the Bolsheviks (Trotsky) for their own purposes, but ultimately Stalin used this money against them.

    The same families financed Adof Schickelgruber even more, with Mr. Bronstein being completely related.
    The final solution to the Jewish question in Europe was one of the conditions for bringing the Nazis to power in Germany. Despite all the groaning, propaganda, etc., well, the Jews from European countries did not WISH to leave for their historical homeland. Create your own state there. So repression followed, the creation of unbearable conditions, etc. What was, in the opinion of the Zionist leadership, just a redeeming sacrifice on the way to the realization of the "great dream", the creation of the state of Israel! And when the "great ideas" were implemented, did the implementers ever take a special look at who would fall under their skating rink ?! The end justifies the means ... Naturally, the heirs of the Zion leadership in every possible way deny such details. They say only the Hans alone are to blame for this, and if you also cut down the loot from the suckers along the way !!! Generally tsimus !!!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 17: 14
      -5
      Nechai terrific nonsense. hi
      1. Alexander 1958
        Alexander 1958 9 November 2012 21: 25
        +4
        For Aaron Zawi
        Good afternoon! Why nonsense? It's not even nonsense! Hitler also spoke for his people in a free retelling, if we do not win, then we do not deserve to live as a nation .. Fortunately, the Germans, the majority, still chose a different path. I don't want to throw a stone at the Jews in general, but at the elite, or at least part of it, I think it will not be superfluous. During the Holocaust, only rich and valuable people were saved, the rest simply donated. The top of the Jewry could not help but understand, since the beginning of the 30s, from the "Kristallnacht", how this could all end for the mass of Jews, but did nothing for their mass salvation. I read that at first the Germans had plans to send Jews to Madagascar, but someone apparently thought that it would be more advantageous to leave them in Hitler's mouth - and he was right! After the war, Jews received such preferences that none of the affected nations and countries dreamed of. This is the payment of reparations from Germany and the formation of the state and other goodies. It is possible and necessary to curse the Jewish elite for such an approach, but one must admit that it turned out to be effective for the survivors,
        Alexander 1958
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 21: 36
          -1
          Alexander 1958
          I am ready to give all the preferences for 3 million Jews in the 1948 year. If in May 48 in reborn Israel were not 650 thousand Jews, but 3.650 thousand, then history would have gone quite differently and in Israel today would have lived not 6mln Jews, but 9-10mln.
          1. bask
            bask 9 November 2012 21: 42
            +3
            Hi Aronchik. And for 25 ml. Of Russians killed by the Nazis ... (((mostly peaceful women and children))) would you give all the preferences? 48 years old ... Is this not the Holocaust of the Russian population ??? And, I agree, the history of Russia would be completely different. In the war, the best die ...
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 22: 13
              -2
              baskwithout going into numbers, let me remind you that it was about some kind of Jewish "preferences", but on one thing you hope you agree that nothing
              cannot compensate the death of a third of the people.
          2. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 10 November 2012 11: 31
            +2
            For Aaron Zawi
            Good afternoon! It is not entirely clear why you need 1948 million Jews in Israel in 3, and why could history have gone a different way? I think hardly .. And then. that there were 650 thousand then and now not 000 million, but 10 million speaks volumes. Jews do not want to go to their historic homeland in bulk, they prefer to love it from a distance. Our neighbor left for Israel in the early 6s and a few months later was already in the USA. The fact that you are personally ready to give all the preferences is cool, but a minority of Jews would do that, and in my opinion, it is impossible to build a country from scratch without preferences. It may sound cruel, but that’s how it was all intended to let Hitler destroy some of the Jews so that the rest would be able to build their own state and decently live on preferences
            Then Vladimir 70, it seems, said that the greatest danger to ordinary Jews comes from their own elite. The United States has long had an opinion on the elimination of aid to Israel, which is tantamount to its destruction.
            You, answering my post, somehow did not at all indicate your attitude towards the thesis of the guilt of the Jewish elite in that they did nothing to save ordinary Jews from Hitler .. If you do not mind, I will assume that you are in basically agree ...
            With uv. Alexander 1958
  28. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 9 November 2012 17: 09
    +4
    the opening of the Jewish Museum and the Center for Tolerance in Moscow

    I am not against the opening, but I would like to know, but in Israel, too, opened a museum to the dead Sloven ?.

    Jews unveiled a monument to the Red Army, we unveiled a monument to fallen Jews

    They are a monument, we are a museum. Read more carefully.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 9 November 2012 17: 45
      0
      Quote: Kolyan 2
      They are a monument, we are a museum. Read more carefully.

      so eye for eye tooth for tooth is from the Jewish books laughing , what prevents us from making a bigger gesture simply because we want to? it is in line with our culture
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 18: 20
      0
      Kolyan 2
      There will be a museum but not to the Slavs, but to the Red Army. By 2016 year. Near the museum.
      But in Israel there has been a forest of the Red Army in the 60-s and since 1952 the WWII disabled people have been equated by the rights with the Israeli army’s disabled.
  29. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 9 November 2012 18: 03
    +2
    frankly, the meaning of this law is not clear
    The result of the 2nd World-Soviet people defeated and liberated the peoples of Europe from fascism, who thinks otherwise that sick psycho or moron, we do not have jurisdiction
    it’s another matter if they try to put the Holocaust into this law, as separate sufferings of one people, then I am categorically
  30. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 18: 11
    +2
    To horseradish such museums!
    The opening of this museum is actually a provocation and provocation of unnecessary tension in society!
    This is precisely the revision of the results ...
  31. bistrov.
    bistrov. 9 November 2012 18: 15
    +2
    I want to once again comment on the situation with the passage of the pro-fascist party (freedom) into the Ukrainian parliament. According to some sources, their Jews Kolomoisky and Firtash financed the election campaign. Advertising on television was made by the Jews Shuster, Kiselev and Poroshenko. Doesn’t resemble the situation in Germany for 30 years?
  32. Vlad7461
    Vlad7461 9 November 2012 18: 20
    +1
    When will the museum of the victims of Jewish terror? It is clear that under the current authority of world Jewry never.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 9 November 2012 20: 53
      +1
      Is that in the sense of red?
  33. Atlon
    Atlon 9 November 2012 19: 28
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Nobody wants to say that the Jewish people are worse or better than others ... You simply have a topological fear that they will not understand you

    That's what they really don't like! What does "the Jewish people are worse or better" mean? The Jewish people are GOD'S Chosen people, and the rest are GOI. Read the Bible. Old Testament. And especially Deuteronomy. Read thoughtfully. slowly ... And then you will understand with your "goy" brains that there is a pancake HOLOCAUST, but there are some 27 million GOUs (deliberately did not write the Russians, and even more so "Russians", because "Russians" are some kind of subhuman ... Yeltsin came up with it, and the others picked it up). By the way, for all your conversations in the comments, the Mossad is crying for you ... Consider, denial or belittling of the Holocaust is a CRIME from the point of view of the Israeli Themis. And the Mossad's arms are long, so be careful here, with your goyish insinuations! wink
  34. shoroh
    shoroh 9 November 2012 19: 37
    +4
    I'm half Jewish, but born and raised here in Russia. So, I do not care about Israel, but do not care about those people who were gathered in the Krasnodar May Day grove in 1942, they were told that they were being sent to Germany, and they took everything with them, handbags, knapsacks, knots, naturally their children. And then they were all shot and thrown into the ditch. And this was done not only with Jews, but also with Belarusians. Ukrainians, Russians. Nothing to smear the Nazis by nodding to Israel. because when the smell really fried, the Russians defended the Jews as themselves, many thanks to them, and a low bow from those who survived, and from those whom the fascists did not spare.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 9 November 2012 20: 55
      +1
      that's how the man said rustle
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 22: 16
      -1
      shoroh
      Well, mutually.
  35. 46bob46
    46bob46 9 November 2012 20: 30
    0
    In Europe, the population of Jews at the time of World War II did not exceed 2 million people. About 5 became victims of the Holocaust. With a total exodus to the States and other places.
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 9 November 2012 21: 30
      +2
      For46bob46
      Perhaps the fact is that the Nazis killed Jews not only by passport, but also by face i.e. those whom they themselves considered Jews. From this and the discrepancy in numbers.
      Alexander 1958
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 November 2012 21: 41
      -1
      46bob46
      By 1939, 9mln Jews lived in Europe along with the territory of the USSR.
  36. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 9 November 2012 21: 18
    +2
    What kind of truth and lies are we talking about?
    Why on earth did our leaders plead guilty to the shooting of Polish officers in Katyn.
    Numerous facts prove the opposite !!!
    So you decided through the loyalty of Poland to cut a window to Europe?

    We lie and they lie to us.
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 10 November 2012 11: 40
      +3
      For Samsebenaume
      In my opinion, this is a well-thought-out policy - to make the Russians (Soviet) guilty of everything, even those crimes that they did not commit, and most importantly, to present the achievements of the Great Country, at least worthless, and even better, also declare crimes. A good example is industrialization. those. if there were repressions, it would be better if there was no industrialization at all ..
      Alexander 1958
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 10 November 2012 22: 54
        +1
        Alexander 1958
        I agree. Honest "+" from me.
  37. Black
    Black 9 November 2012 22: 50
    0
    So it is thought that the Holocaust for Jews is one of the main state ideological foundations. A bow to that side is hosannah to Israel.
  38. suharev-52
    suharev-52 10 November 2012 00: 25
    +1
    Vova is playing the Middle East card. No matter how the amers jump, all decisions on the Middle East are coordinated with Israel. True, steep porridge is brewing there now, but Vova is safe. I want to remind you that politics is a dirty business, but sometimes because of political expediency it is necessary to go for not quite pleasant things. Sincerely.
  39. Hedgehog
    Hedgehog 10 November 2012 00: 58
    +2
    That's interesting: WHY ???
    After all, it is already obvious to everyone that anti-Semitism in Russia is gaining momentum. Any reverence towards Israel causes unequivocal irritation among the people, fed up with Chubais and others like him. Phrase: the Jews are to blame for everything - they drank all the water, every year it sounds less playful. Plus all these visits of the rabbis, taken at the highest level and so on. Is GDP purposely teasing its people? Or is he just not in the house, what is happening in the hearts of Russians?
    It is, of course, understandable that, as yet, nationalist sentiments are restrained by common sense (as yet). I, in fact, am a child of the Soviet Union, and adequately perceive people of any nation, but I personally get confused by such a demarche - I mean the opening of the museum. Now, right now, it is somehow not appropriate, in my opinion, and judging by most of the comments, not only mine. And here is the question: WHY ???
  40. nnz226
    nnz226 10 November 2012 01: 32
    +3
    The question is different: why is everyone talking about 6 million killed Jews, but no one about 18 million killed Slavs ??? Russian, Ukrainians, Belarusians ?? !!! Moreover, the figure mentioned refers to PEACEFUL RESIDENTS !!! And our glorious government, struggling with the distortion of the truth about the WAR, why doesn’t it raise this topic ??? Yes, many Jews were killed, but the Slavs are THREE TIMES MORE !!! Or don’t they consider us people? Are we statistics?
  41. Averias
    Averias 10 November 2012 08: 19
    +2
    Friends, I absolutely calmly and normally treat both the Jews and the rest of the people of the world, after all, we live on the same planet. But I am jarred by this fact, why more time has passed since the Second World War, the more convictions are spread that the only ones who suffered were Jews? Starting with the fact that Germany paid more compensation to them than to us, ending with the fact that they are sowing tales that it was the United States who won this war (with this it is just understandable). And nobody is embarrassed by the fact that "thanks" to the Holocaust, after the war Israel received consent to the seizure of Palestinian territories and the formation of Israel. And why in Israel itself, the burial places of the victims of the Holocaust are protected in a special way, and no commissions are allowed there to check what - and whether in fact it is as Israel presents it. Forgive me, but the war was fought primarily against the USSR, and the genocide was directed against us. In the concentration camps, in addition to Russians and Jews, there were also Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, etc. But why are they talking only about Jews? And the numbers are sometimes frankly overestimated, how could an N number of Jews perish (were killed) in Germany, if much less lived there at that time. Of course, I understand why this is being done, only the feeling of disgusting abomination from what is happening does not pass, it grows more and more. From this I catch myself thinking that I start them (the Jews) gradually ... well, let's just say not to love them.
  42. 46bob46
    46bob46 10 November 2012 09: 20
    +2
    Averias -100% agree with you.