US press: Ukraine is in a "military stalemate", time is against Kyiv

The economy of Ukraine is destroyed, Kyiv is completely dependent on the help of the West, both economically and militarily. The longer the conflict lasts, the less assistance Zelensky will receive. Time is against Ukraine, according to Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates, who wrote an article for The Washington Post.

Two American politicians, who previously held the positions of secretary of state (Rice) and head of the Pentagon (Gates), came to the conclusion that if Ukraine does not launch an offensive and turn the situation in its favor in the near future, then its defeat is inevitable. The most important thing here is the time factor. The thing is that Kyiv practically does not have it. If we discard all the verbal husks about the "support" of Ukraine by Western countries, in fact, only the United States now provides military assistance, but Washington also has a limit.

At the moment, Kyiv is completely dependent on Western assistance, in the event of its termination, the country will simply fall apart. It is not worth expecting that Moscow will make concessions and return the territory of the DPR and LPR, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, it will not happen. Putin clearly said that these are Russian regions. Hoping that the Russian army will lose is also not worth it. Rice and Gates say bluntly that the Russians can even "freeze" the conflict for a while and build up the strength to strike again.

For Putin, defeat is not an option (…) he must maintain control of positions in eastern and southern Ukraine, which in the future will become springboards for a renewed offensive, to establish control over the rest of the Ukrainian Black Sea coast, all of Donbass, and then move west

- Americans write.

Now Ukraine is in a "military stalemate", unable to independently defeat Russia. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not succeed in the near future, then the United States and Europe will begin to push Kyiv to conclude peace. They have such an opportunity, they completely control the Ukrainian economy, sum up Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates.

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[paul3390]

and gaining strength to strike again

Or maybe - it still made sense to initially accumulate strength before hitting?

[MARGADON]

You will never get 100% strength. How long did you have to wait and save until there was no one left from the Donbass? Hundreds of articles have already been written about the fact that Putin had no choice, and the Ukrainians were bred and thrown.

[paul3390]

Well, yes. 8 years is very little to prepare for war .. And about the choice - it became extremely obvious back in 2004, if not earlier. In the end, the prophetic Age of the Stillborn was written already in 2006. Only here we have been hoping for something there all these years. What is approximately clear, but I don’t want to voice it ..

And Donbass - well, all these years, our government seems to have quite successfully pretended that nothing terrible was happening there? Previously - actually handing it over in 2014, when there was every chance to finish off the banderlogs ..

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Ukraine is in a “military stalemate”… The US and Europe will start pushing Kyiv to conclude peace

—-Yeah… 50 Bradly, 100 M113 and a lot of HUMVE, German MADERS and French wheeled light tanks - that's why

—-Prepare for interspecies operation. They will strike at Azov as a distraction, and send a mechanized brigade to the Russian not-little-defended border. And a highly mobile strike - 50 km in Russia. And they will depart like Gosgomel.

— And reputational, political and geopolitical losses are nightmarish.

[bayard]

Quote: Mikhail Drabkin

—-Prepare for interspecies operation.

And what other types, besides motorized infantry and wheeled tanks, did you see here? Yes, and this equipment will appear in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in one and a half to two months - they still need to be trained in its operation.
And what is this power? This set of equipment is sufficient for a good staffing of one reinforced motorized infantry brigade, or for a qualitative reinforcement of two brigades that already have armored vehicles and tanks. And this technique is not at all for the offensive, especially in the steppes of the Zaporozhye region.
So why is she in such a hurry and right now?
NATO is very fearful and afraid of our winter offensive. And they are waiting for him not in the Donbass, not in Zaporozhye, and even more so not in the Kherson region.
They are afraid of a new front in one of the northern directions. That is why there are so many cries about the readiness of the echeloned defense of Kyiv, about the reliability of covering the border with Poland. And without new deliveries of tanks, this equipment is only suitable for mobile defense. Or as the "first sign" of the supply of NATO armored vehicles, but with an eye to the future.
Before the end of spring, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not be able to advance anywhere, especially without massive deliveries of heavy armored vehicles and tanks. If there is an offensive from us, then all this armored vehicles will burn out in defensive battles in the main directions.

[Alexander Salenko]

I don’t agree about the surrender, they would have surrendered, there would have been no LNR and DNR, but the Russian leadership tried to agree immediately before the NWO and during the NWO, a powerful group of Russian capitalists still wants to fit into the West, and they drag a lot of officials and figures behind them TV and so on.

[lis-ik]

Quote: MARGADON

You will never get 100% strength. How long did you have to wait and save until there was no one left from the Donbass? Hundreds of articles have already been written about the fact that Putin had no choice, and the Ukrainians were bred and thrown.

If they really wanted to help the Donbass, they would have helped in 2014, then there were all the possibilities for this and it is not necessary to say that they were not ready, now they are even less ready, but the cold ones were prepared.

[Andrey Karpov]

About the drain of the Donbass in 2014, unless the stoned one heard. I myself remember how I relied on the support of the Donbass, because Pu said "we will support the results of the referendum." Donbass fully voted for joining the Russian Federation back in 2014. And they were simply thrown by the Minsk agreements. This is where the legs of all current problems grow. And in terms of ideology - since 2004, from the first Maidan.

[Alexander Salenko]

Yeah, Donbass survived on its own? It seems that many have problems with memory, how the sanctions then played and how they are now. The main blow to Russia was planned to be economic, the military component is a much more secondary factor.
If war is politics by other means, then politics is a concentrically expressed economy. Remind how Putin announced an amnesty to capital?

[paul3390]

It seems that many have problems with memory, how the sanctions then played and how they are now.

Excuse me - at that time we had an absolutely legitimate and universally recognized president of Ukraine in our hands. And in Kuev, there were frank putschists who staged a coup. For Russia-would act in the ultimate legal field, there is nothing to complain about.

But why the hell did you need this chic opportunity to drain into the toilet, recognizing the junta for some reason and licking it for 8 years - only our adored guarantor knows. He's never wrong with us, is he?

And now - we started a war against the state, the government of which we themselves recognized. And this is a completely different alignment, whatever you say ..

[runway-1]

And this is a completely different alignment, whatever you say ..

You know, it's putting it mildly, that a different alignment ...

[Neutral Neutral]

The reasoning is not even an inhabitant, but a small child. Nobody cares about the "legal field" and other nonsense for the poor. Whoever is strong is right, but strong (at least were) the United States. And if they saw such opposition (and even after the Crimea), they would dare the Russian Federation not to give a damn about all the laws, agreements and other nonsense.

[Stanislav_Shishkin]

Quote: paul3390

if we then, at the request of Yanukovoshch, sent in troops to restore constitutional order, not so many countries would join the sanctions, and they themselves would not be so tough. For Russia-would act in the ultimate legal field, there is nothing to complain about.

You proceed from two false assumptions: 1) about the sovereignty of the countries that joined the "sanctions" and 2) about the connection between restrictions and the legal field.

[mitroha]

if Ukraine does not launch an offensive in the near future and turn the situation in its favor, then its defeat is inevitable.

Ukraine will be defeated in ANY case, the question is only in saving as many lives of our soldiers as possible and, if possible, minimizing the loss of Ukrainian civilians.

[bandabas]

Or maybe it's time to end this "clownery" with fratricide by February 24, and shift our views to the West?

[Vladimir80]

"clownery" with fratricide

where did you find your brothers???

[bandabas]

Actually, the West did not make brothers.

[lis-ik]

Quote: bandabas

Actually, the West did not make brothers.

They successfully made themselves, moreover, since Soviet times.

[bandabas]

Drop your keyboard and go! Good luck in reality.

[skeptick2]

Quote: Vladimir80

"clownery" with fratricide

where did you find your brothers???

And you don't have to look for anything anywhere.
And we must listen to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. In particular, you need to know about his speech at the collegium of the Ministry of Defense on December 21.12.2022, XNUMX.
Direct quote from it: "We have always, and you know my position, considered the Ukrainian people a brotherly people, I still think so".
Do you have something against these words? Or even against the President of the Russian Federation?

[Tusv]

Quote: bandabas

Or maybe it's time to end this "clownery" with fratricide by February 24, and shift our views to the West?

It's expensive, very expensive to look at the West and it's useless because all the technologies have been around for a long time. In the East.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: bandabas

Or maybe it's time to end this "clownery" with fratricide by February 24, and shift our views to the West?

And we did not start this "clownery". These Ukrainian shortcomings, on their own initiative with NATO, signed a military contract for their disposal and acted as an advanced NATO unit against Russia. Now we convince them that they were wrong. The sooner they realize their mistake, the more of them will survive.

[Lech from Android.]

The longer the conflict lasts, the less assistance Zelensky will receive. Time plays against Ukraine, according to Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates

Well, they are right about something ... Ukraine is too heavy a burden for the USA ... investing money in it now is like throwing money into a black hole ... the only plus is military orders for the US military-industrial complex ... but the US military-industrial complex is a drug addict demanding everything new and new doses of infusion of budgetary funds ... sooner or later, the whole organism of the United States will begin to break down, and then I do not envy ordinary Americans after that.
And Ukraine is just a territory... expendable material... in the conflict between the US and Russia.

[Vladimir80]

the United States painlessly handed out (drawn) 2 trillion for the "fight against covid", 50-100-200 billion for the outskirts a year for them it will just be a "sneeze", they can supply and feed for another decade ...

[mitroha]

Quote: Vladimir80

the United States painlessly handed out (drawn) 2 trillion for the "fight against covid", 50-100-200 billion for the outskirts a year for them it will just be a "sneeze", they can supply and feed for another decade ...

The economy is not your forte

[Vladimir80]

The economy is not your forte

that's for sure, I'm a builder ... but the economy is a strong point for elvir, antons and denis - this is an example to follow if they bomb us - they continue to pray for the "holy principles of a market economy" invented by gentlemen for the colonies of the Papuans

[skeptick2]

Quote: Lech from Android.

for the USA, Ukraine is too heavy a burden ... investing money in it now is like throwing money into a black hole

Are we going to count American money? This is a thankless job.

Quote: Lech from Android.

the only plus is military orders for the US military-industrial complex

So this plus will outweigh all the other minuses. And the States received this plus as a gift from Russia.

Quote: Lech from Android.

sooner or later, the entire body of the United States will begin to break down, and then I don’t envy ordinary Americans after that.

It remains only to rejoice for our people, for ordinary Russians, for Russia, whose economy is being transferred to a military footing.

[tralflot1832]

Who just now is not involved in forecasters for the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[mitroha]

Quote: tralflot1832

Who just now is not involved in forecasters for the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

Yeah, and Pugachev with Galkin and Makarevich to carry with concerts .....

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Mitroha

Yeah and Pugachev with Galkin and Makarevich to carry with concerts

These traitors must be excommunicated from the budget of Russia ... otherwise they got fat on our grubs, now in Israel they shit on us ... smelly leeches.

[mitroha]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Quote: Mitroha

Yeah and Pugachev with Galkin and Makarevich to carry with concerts

These traitors must be excommunicated from the budget of Russia ... otherwise they got fat on our grubs, now in Israel they shit on us ... smelly leeches.

So I didn’t offer to carry us, let them be transported by their beloved Bandera, maybe with their muzzles on the asphalt, it’s not a pity

[navycat777]

It should be noted that the Republican speaker of the United States was chosen with the condition of reducing the military budget by 85 billion dollars. This is a significant amount for the military. What they will cut and what proportions is the question. It is clear that the amount allocated to Ukraine is likely to be reduced. Therefore, it is important for Ukraine to make the most of its last chance at the expense of previously allocated funds and the designated range of weapons.

[Vladimir80]

they will not cut anything in the budgets, they will simply name the articles differently (for stupid taxpayers, so that they do not arise)

[paul3390]

Is not a fact. For with Ukrainian money-you can steal much more than with military orders. Yes, in fact - you can steal almost everything! Who will cut something like that?

[dementor873]

The allocated 50 billion will go primarily to the purchase of weapons and stocks of the United States and its military-industrial complex. It is possible that in this way they even partially finance deliveries to Taiwan. So they have already laundered at least 40 billion of this budget cut.

[Kaufman]

As for the fact that time is against Ukraine... I don’t know, I don’t know. Helping them only builds up, strengthens and takes them to a new level. Here the question of how we have over time is much sharper. Budget revenues in 23 will be significantly reduced. Europe is being rebuilt, they will stop buying oil and gas altogether. To the east, such an amount cannot yet be redirected.
Sanctions pressure is intensifying. Etc. etc.
I think the united West is just benefiting from the prolongation of the conflict.

[dmi.pris1]

I’m also thinking ... A mass supply of offensive weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is starting. They have enough money to support Ukraine, the printing press is in their hands. who is worth what

[Roma 1977]

The Russian Federation has too positive foreign trade balance. This means that Russia has been supporting foreign economies for decades with its real resources. If a country has a stable negative foreign trade balance, then its economy is based on parasitism on foreign economies (which is also bad, since, figuratively speaking, something like drug addiction and withdrawal appears in the economy). But the balance is approximately equal to zero - means the harmonious development of the economy. The reduction in exports in this situation for the Russian Federation is not as scary as it might seem. This means that more resources will be devoted to domestic development, and not to the purchase of English football clubs and villas on the Cote d'Azur.

[Alexander Salenko]

If they put everything at once, then yes, but it turns out to grind in parts, but this is not the main thing. And the main thing is that Ukraine does not have an economy, the desire to pull on itself is not the smallest country in Europe, and the desire may end.
This talk about the offensive, coupled with the supply of equipment, is just an indicator that Ukraine has very few prospects. It will be possible to use the Poles instead of the Ukrainians, then something will continue, but the Ukrainians themselves are not endless.

[Andrey Andreev_2]

Kadyrov correctly said yesterday that Ukraine for the United States is now a washing machine for laundering money into the pockets of those in power ... Therefore, the conflict will continue as long as this 'machine' effectively performs its functions.

[bandabas]

Maybe I didn’t say correctly - strikes to the West

[aszzz888]

At the moment, Kyiv is completely dependent on Western assistance, in the event of its termination, the country will simply fall apart.

Campaign, everyone understands this, even our enemies. Indeed, the unnecessary will be destroyed to the last of their Natsik.

[Luka Nord]

Quote: aszzz888

Campaign, everyone understands this, even our enemies. Indeed, the unnecessary will be destroyed to the last of their Natsik.

They don’t understand the Sheriff, they just know how to count .. Their population is simply shocked by how much money is thrown into this hole and simply dissolves into nowhere. they ripped off in the hope that they would stage a coup))) And Russia is only getting stronger, on all fronts!
Excellent work of our analytical groups of economists, lawyers, military and special services!
work guys

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Now Ukraine is in a "military impasse", unable to independently defeat Russia.

I would say otherwise, not being able to resist on my own

[Luka Nord]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I would say otherwise, not being able to resist on my own

That's right, as soon as the United States announces the cessation of assistance, and literally in 10 days everything will collapse and a house of flight and looting will begin, etc.

[Two]

The "blackie" fumbles, vangues on a coffee surrogate. And, it seems, all the same, NATO members (so far only the Young Europeans!) Will be drawn into this mess. So the process promises to be lengthy and with an undetermined (yet!) ending. The fact that the world will not be the same is already visible.

[Graz]

it is necessary to cut off land supply routes on the western border, a strike from Belarus is necessary. but this requires a large grouping of troops

[Roma 1977]

It is very problematic to attack with large forces from north to south along the Polesskaya lowland. There are impassable places. But it would be worth it to fire missiles and geraniums from Belarus on the entire transit of military cargo from the Polish border to Kyiv, all bridges, interchanges and railway stations.

[Andrey Karpov]

I have been talking about geraniums for more than a month. they need not 10-100 pieces, but 10.000 per month MINIMUM. and hammer deliveries on a PERMANENT BASIS so that nothing reaches the front. Then the West will simply stop supplying, tk. it won't make sense. But so far I do not see the mobilization of industry for these purposes

[bandabas]

To the minuses. Did you read the point?

[rocket757]

Time is against Ukraine, according to Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates, who wrote an article for The Washington Post.

Serious guys. They know how to think independently, analyze the situation as it is, and not as someone needs it.
The question is ... why did they suddenly start talking? They want to call for something ... for what specifically?

[setter]

Now Ukraine is in a "military stalemate", unable to independently defeat Russia. If the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not succeed in the near future, then the United States and Europe will begin to push Kyiv to conclude peace. They have such an opportunity, they completely control the Ukrainian economy, sum up Condoleezza Rice and Robert Gates.

Strangely, the authors of the news do not hesitate to rewrite the information to their advantage, obviously hoping that no one will read the original.
Yes, the article says that in the absence of military success for a long time, Western pressure on Ukraine to make peace may increase. But then I quote

The only way to avoid such a scenario is for the United States and its allies to urgently provide Ukraine
...
NATO members should also provide the Ukrainians with longer-range missiles, advanced drones, significant ammunition stocks (including artillery shells), more reconnaissance and surveillance capability, and other equipment. These capabilities are needed in weeks, not months.

For those who do not speak the enemy language, I translate.
The only way to avoid such a scenario for the United States and its allies is an urgent and dramatic increase in military supplies to Ukraine.
NATO members should also provide Ukrainians with longer-range missiles, advanced drones, substantial stockpiles of ammunition (including artillery shells), additional reconnaissance and surveillance assets, and other equipment. These capabilities are needed in weeks, not months.
And the result of the article is this.

is to help Ukraine push back the invader now. That is the lesson of history that should guide us, and it lends urgency to the actions that must be taken - before it is too late.

we need to help Ukraine to repulse the occupier now. This is the lesson of history that we should be guided by, and it defines the urgency of such actions to be taken before it is too late.

But there is not a word about the inevitability of defeat in the article.

[runway-1]

But about the inevitability of defeat in the article not a word

This is sometimes used here...

[vladcub]

And this is already interesting: The Washington Post is a serious publication, and a serious publication also implies serious authors.
Rice or Gates, though retired, but they retained connections in their former "offices".
The same Condoleezza, out of boredom, will call some Mary Smith, and she, by the way, will whisper something to her.
Or Gates will “accidentally” meet a former colleague, and then have a “glass” of tea. Wrap up "for life."
Their gossip is more reliable than that of political observers.
PS. My sofa whispers: "on the eve of a grand nix" (c)
a) they will launch a massive attack, long-range drones, they liked the "first" attack on Engels.
b) terrorist attacks: in the Crimea, DLNR, in the outback. + massive stuffing of various rumors, the goal: to sow panic and undermine confidence in the center
c) they can launch an offensive not near Artemovsk, but where they are less expected.
Now the main direction is Artemovsk - Soledar, and they can attack anywhere.
In the Kupyansk direction, they succeeded, but why not try elsewhere? WHILE THEY CAN.
The "Reporter" says that in the Kupyansk direction, they had an 8-fold advantage.
They have more automobile transport, such as "Hamers". We traditionally have "weakness" here the data of military correspondents.
In the Second World War, there was the same picture, but then, help: Willis, Doji.
My godfather, after the war, worked for Studer, knew experienced drivers, I still found old men: front-line drivers.

[VladMirU]

Quote from: skeptick2

Quote: Vladimir80

"clownery" with fratricide

where did you find your brothers???

And you don't have to look for anything anywhere.
And we must listen to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. In particular, you need to know about his speech at the collegium of the Ministry of Defense on December 21.12.2022, XNUMX.
Direct quote from it: "We have always, and you know my position, considered the Ukrainian people a brotherly people, I still think so".
Do you have something against these words? Or even against the President of the Russian Federation?

I mean, these are the words of a genius? Axiom? Or do not leave the right to others to have a different version?
Let's wait, as they say, and we'll see. It's not far away. For his business............

[iouris]

Who reads the US press? Why Twitter? Scott Ritter says one thing, Lindsey Graham says something completely different, and the truth lies in the middle? On Baidyn?.

[Illanatol]

Quote: paul3390

Previously - actually handing it over in 2014, when there was every chance to finish off the banderlogs ..

There was no chance then, really. The West and then would fit in for Ukraine to the fullest, it was not in vain that they handed out cookies. And the West was then in better economic shape, with logistics not undermined by covid. Yes, and Ukraine then had a better economic situation, it was then that the oligarchs headed by Poroshenko ruined a lot.
And in 2014 we were, on the contrary, weaker and more economically dependent.

[Luka Nord]

The economy of Ukraine has been destroyed, Kyiv is completely dependent on the help of the West, both economically and militarily.

This is all Russia expects from the USA .. We will only talk with them and on our terms. And Ukraine must cease to exist, they have not coped with statehood and all the huge legacy inherited from the USSR simply blew completely.
Let them be an agrarian territory and a military district of Russia!

[iouris]

Obviously, the issue of NATO's direct participation is being worked out. Only and everything.

[alexander 66]

Time is playing against Russia. Ukrainians are creating a very serious strike force. And the supply of armored vehicles will be much more than declared, plus a bunch of undeclared ones. They also change the structure of troops and command. It is not for nothing that they cherish the more combat-ready as the backbone of future corps, plus those trained in the EU and in England, who are probably being trained to work with NATO equipment. Well, where will they hit? I will not be surprised that there will be a capture of Belgorod or Kursk. Fantasy? But what a blow to the authorities, what a panic there will be. Possibly at the same time strike in the south. Those mobs 300 thousand are just to support pants, unless they were quietly mobilized more. Any successful strike by the Ukrainians will affect the political situation in the Russian Federation.

[75 Sergey]

The feeling that all these publications are aimed at dulling our vigilance, instilling hope that the United States will turn away from the Nazis in Ukraine and calmly win, or everything will become as before.
Understand, this will not happen, do not flatter yourself, you need to work, announce a second wave of mobilization, transfer the economy to the theater on a war footing, you need to do this right now, because it’s already too late.

[Garist Pavel]

I have long seen that all this is the operation of their special services precisely to lull our vigilance. They did it again and destroyed the Union, and this is well known. Just a question: if we, ordinary people, understand this, why are the tops on this mess?

[Larmo12]

The main friend of a patriot in these difficult days are retired colonels from the US Army and the American liberal press.

[Zaurbek]

The supply of 404 depends entirely on the West, they have gigantic capabilities, any technology. Without aviation, they will not inflict (military) defeat, if we do not advance and cut off the territory, then the limitation is the number of mobilizers and their reproduction (addition not by Ukrainians) and the conflict can be made eternal until we get tired.