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Lenin won because he felt what millions want

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Lenin won because he felt what millions wantTalk about October 1917 of the year will be incomplete without discussion of the figure of Vladimir Ulyanov

Talk about the October Revolution (KM TV film “October 1917: who was behind the curtains of the Russian revolution?” You can watch here), or, if you will, the October revolution (one does not contradict the other) will, of course, be incomplete without a discussion of the phenomenon of Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin). Genius or villain ("the main political criminal of the twentieth century" in the terminology of Vladimir Zhirinovsky), the destroyer or the creator, the creator of the "world's first state of workers and peasants" or the bloody executioner - the forerunner of Stalin, a Jew and a freemason or the head of the World International - and these are just a few topics for eternal debates about the role of Vladimir Ilyich’s personality in stories. Discussions about him if they are inferior in intensity, then only disputes about Stalin. It is almost impossible to treat him indifferently. And this means that he left his mark in world history. What is this trail? Everyone has their own opinion. The political scientist Sergey Chernyakhovsky has one.

Lenin is, of course, the central figure of October 1917 of the year. Although not only him. With all the fluctuations of public opinion, his role and his personality and today cause a positive attitude among far more people than a negative one.

2012% of Russian citizens spoke of its positive role in the history of spring 48, and 30% spoke about the negative one. At that, only six years ago, the ratio was different: with the plus sign of Lenin, then 40% was evaluated, and with the minus sign - 36%. That is, his figure and his role is positively assessed not only by the majority, but by the growing majority of the population, while his opponents are not just a minority, but a decreasing one. According to the same Levada Center from 2011, when asked about how people will remember Lenin in 40-50 years, 68% of respondents predicted positive ratings, and only 24% - negative.

And all these figures, we note, are obtained in the present era, when not a single memorable date passes without the media filling out the broadcast with negative (to some extent) assessments of both its role and its personality.

As for how it is estimated in the world, according to the catalog of the Library of Congress, according to the number of monographs devoted to him, Lenin ranks third among historical figures. Only two people are ahead of him - Marx and Kant. Although, however, it is unlikely to fully reflect the impact that he himself had on the world.

The scale of his personality can hardly be in doubt for anyone who at least partially remains in positions of minimal sobriety of assessments. Hence all the curses in his address.

There are two main accusations against Lenin: the first is that he is a German spy, the second is the destroyer of the Russian traditional way of life.

The first statement is not only not intelligible confirmed and remains at the level of maxims in the spirit of NTV and "Echo of Moscow", but simply ridiculous. The role of the spy is too inconsistent with the scale of what was done by him - as that which was destroyed, as well as that which was created. The petty accusation only proves that those who hate him do not have the courage to say why they hate him, just as there are no arguments comparable to the scale of a person’s personality that predetermined the course of world history in 20 - and most likely in the 21 century. For some, he is the people's leader and the largest political theorist. For others - a hated villain.

If we move away from assessments caused by political sympathies or antipathies, then let us speculate: who Lenin is after all. What did he do and what could he do?

Lenin is undoubtedly the most successful political figure and 20 of the century, and most likely almost the entire history. He caught and realized the tendencies in the world in his era. He took power in a huge country, kept it with fierce resistance of those who are called "overthrown classes", created a new statehood, laid the foundations of a new economy and a new national and world project. And despite the fact that he really remained in power for a little more than four years.

Moreover, he really practically changed the world, because after October 1917, the world could no longer be what it was before. He destroyed the old, obviously outdated, device of the modern world to it - and opened the way to the search and construction of the new. Not only in Russia - all over the world. That is, he was undoubtedly the most successful and the most ambitious history political technologist.

He created a political organization so effective and so professional that it not only managed to defeat direct opponents - the security structures of the old empire - but also its competitors - other political parties of Russia of that time (far from being as amorphous as political parties of modern Russia). It is not even important that this party was able to overthrow the old government and keep the board in their hands. It is important that this party itself was created as a kind of proto-state structure, which could become the backbone of the new statehood after the old one had practically collapsed (and as soon as this structure was destroyed in 90-s, the state itself collapsed).

After the seizure of power, the main center and main focus of Lenin's activity was, despite unsubstantiated accusations, not the suppression and division, but the construction: the building of self-government, the building of the state, the building of production.

The electrification plan was adopted in 1920, but electrification became a priority of the revolutionary government during the years of the Civil War: in 1918, Lenin accepted the Graftio plan for the construction of the Volkhov hydropower station, and began building the Kashira power plant in 1919. In the spring of 1919, Lenin resumed the abandoned construction of the Shaturskaya TPP. And the listing of what 1917 began to create and build after October can be multiplied.

Issues of organization of production - this is what was in the center of attention and what its activities were directed at. To organize a new production meant to make Russia a technically advanced country in the world. Not to mention the fact that simultaneously with the work on solving these tasks, he was able to first reflect the external military intervention (aggression) of a dozen powers, including the most powerful, and then force the leaders of the Western world who won the World War to accept the conditions of existence dictated leader of the Russian revolution.

Why did it succeed, what was its strength? In colossal empathy - and social, and historical, and political.

Lenin turned out to be intellectually stronger than the Russian liberals and Russian Westernizers, having managed to find the forces and the path that could solve the modernization tasks without destroying the basic value features of the country's task: managing to preserve the traditional priority of justice over rationality. He turned out to be intellectually stronger than the Slavophiles, managing to understand that it is impossible to ensure the preservation of the priorities of justice without combining them with rationality and technocracy.

He turned out to be intellectually stronger than the Russian dogmatic Marxists, who believed that a socialist revolution was impossible in Russia, since its basic class — the workers — were a minority, and they viewed the Russian peasantry as a “continuous reactionary mass”. Lenin was able to understand the revolutionary and creative potential of the Russian peasantry and understand what was his main concern: concern for the Earth.

The question of the Earth in general must be solved not by a socialist, but also by a bourgeois revolution. In France, the allotment of land to peasants was carried out by the revolution of the year 1789-93 and Napoleon. Theoretically, if the imperial power was responsible and adequate, it could and should have solved this problem long before 1917. And even more so this task was to be solved by the first Provisional Government immediately after the February Revolution. And all the more so, the Kerensky government had to decide it, because the resolution of the agrarian question was the main demand of his party. As he will say later, in October Lenin: “What kind of party is that which had to be overthrown in order to carry out its own program?”

Lenin won because all the time he felt what millions want. He knew that the distribution of land to the peasants was not a socialist revolution, but the most radical development of capitalism in the countryside. But he knew that the Russian peasants wanted it - and therefore it must be done, because its main strength is in their support, and because it is much more progressive than what it was in Russia before. By the way, even Stolypin, who is now fashionable, he reproached not so much for the direction of his actions - but for their inconsistency. And he wrote that he was leading Russia along a progressive path, but in the most reactionary way.

Why did the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Kerensky fail to solve the question of land and execute their own program, but could it? Not only because the first did not have enough determination. And because they always offered to wait. Wait until elections to the Constituent Assembly are held (which they themselves were detaining as much as possible), wait until it passes the necessary laws, wait until the land cadastre is drawn up, wait until the required number of cadre surveyors are prepared and so on ad infinitum. Lenin knew that to behave this way towards the peasants was to mock them and arouse their hatred. And he made it easier - he adopted a decree in which he declared: “The earth is yours in perpetual use. Buybacks are canceled. Get organized and take it into your own hands. ”

Those who accuse him of enmity towards everything Russian and of destroying the Russian way of life simply cannot clearly say what they mean by this, or they mean only the world of the possessing estates and autocratic courtiers. Although it was in them that by this time there was already a minimum of Russian. The Russian world, the Russian way of life and the Russian mentality lived in those who worked - in the peasants, workers, Russian engineers. And with all the accusations of closing churches and persecuting priests, it was the alienation of the latter from the Russian people that caused their alienation from them.

Actually, Lenin was the leader of the Russian national revolution, the leader of the uprising of the Russian people against the property class that had lost its national roots. And in this respect, he would today have to be the idol of not only the Communists, but also, no less, consistent nationalists.

It can be said that Lenin broke into this world from the future in order, like Peter the Great, to reintroduce not only Russia, but the whole of humanity. It is possible, with no less justification, to assert that this world itself, faced with its own inability to solve its problems, spawned and called on Lenin to rise to a new stage of development with his help. In any case, it is clear that the impact they had on the world and modern civilization is colossal and almost incomparable with the influence of any other politician. Boris Strugatsky once clearly defined the role of Lenin, saying that he practically created a new world.

As long as there are people who abuse and hate Lenin, this only means that they fear and hate him. Some - by virtue of fear for the privileges assigned to them. Others - because they feel unattainable for them his personal superiority. Hatred of Lenin is only a manifestation of a sense of self psychological complexion. And the envy of those who feel unable to stand with him.

Yes, and also: the first Russian Constitution was given to the people in 1918 after all by Lenin too.

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  1. koksalek
    koksalek 9 November 2012 07: 09
    -11
    He is no different from those who were eager (eager) for power - he thought one thing, said another, did the third. These will stop at nothing. IMHO, for me he is 90% negative character in the story
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 07: 40
      -10
      As long as there are people who criticize and hate Lenin, it only means that they are afraid and hate him. Some - because of fear for their privileges. Others - because they feel unattainable for them his personal superiority. [/ Quote]
      It’s utter nonsense that the author wrote psychology describing why he is hated. Show me someone who is afraid of the corpse lying in the mausoleum. And God hate this bohul out of hatred, now hell is talking to him in hell. [Quote = koksalek]
      Those who accuse him of hostility to everything Russian and of the destruction of the Russian way of life simply cannot clearly tell themselves what they mean by it, or they mean only the world of the propertied estates and autocratic courtiers. Although it was in them by this time that there was already a minimum of Russian. The Russian world, the Russian way of life and the Russian mentality lived in those who worked - in peasants, workers, Russian engineers. And with all the accusations of church closures and persecution of priests - it was the alienation of the latter from the Russian people and caused their alienation from them [/ quote]
      Really, I wrote, rewrote the facts of the inhuman shootings and destruction of the Russian people, the author is not an argument for you, you are ready to wear flowers in your love for this TRADER and the sixes of the Western conspiracy against Russia. The minus is the fattest of the fattest. Millions of those destroyed engineers, only for the reason that they were educated. The author can give you an example, or that the blood and dew are the same. And the subsequent ones that Stalin could build I managed to ascribe to Lenin. And the main thing is the Church's fault, it’s absolutely necessary to become impudent that write this. Priests were shot by thousands. The author take Lenin from the mausoleum to your home and chase teas there. By the way, the famous Lenin teapot, the keepers of museum valuables, they are ardent patriots of Lenin, they sold this teapot for a long time and now it weighs in a bathhouse at a seaside authority. I personally saw this souvenir wassat .Zyuganov stroke-hello.
      1. alexng
        alexng 9 November 2012 08: 17
        -2
        Lenin merely straddled the crowd at that time, i.e. clung to the stream and got out on this, not disinterestedly, of course. All his conscious life he wondered what means he lived without working anywhere. Indirect answers appeared only recently. And for some strange dependence, all revolutionaries for some reason come to us from abroad to make this revolution after instructing their masters: Ulyanov; Saakashvili; Yushchenko, etc.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 9 November 2012 11: 30
          +10
          Quote: alexneg

          Lenin merely straddled the crowd at that time, i.e. clung to the stream and climbed out on this

          Let's describe it abstractly, for example: "After the February Revolution, the sailing ship Russia drifted at the behest of the waves, because different groups, not taking into account the wind, raised different sails and turned the steering wheel, not taking into account the wind. Lenin caught the wind and went backstay. Stalin was able to go, and successfully, gulfwind, but his successors played with the sidewind until the complete overkill in 1991. Now the ship has been returned to an acceptable position, the main thing is not to play with maneuvers again. "
          1. alexng
            alexng 9 November 2012 13: 00
            +9
            Stalin restored what was destroyed during the previous rule of the young republic. And by the way, not without success.
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 9 November 2012 19: 29
            +5
            Quote: Kaa
            Lenin caught the wind and went backstack.

            What course is this vessel - it is not clear. How do you manage it when a boom is such a colossal length? The center of purity is shifted to the stern, which will cause yaw along the course, the rear cradle of the grotto (or mizzen?) Is not full, and by the way, the yacht goes with the RIGHT tack, all the mentioned characters went only left. smile Kaa, are you a yachtsman? If so, hello to a colleague.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 10 November 2012 02: 55
              +1
              Quote: Uncle
              Are you a yachtsman? If so, hello to a colleague.

              Alas, "Where are your 17 years ..." Cadet. 470 ...
          3. homosum20
            homosum20 12 November 2012 18: 10
            0
            I caught the wind - does this mean that I felt the political situation?
            Because all his slogans are a lie. As a result of his revolution, the peasant did not receive land. Workers did not receive factories. It is interesting what the soldiers received.
            And the peasants and workers themselves became property. State property.
            And the situation was that the Entente was much stronger than Germany, and she decided to knock out a member from it - Russia and coughed for it. America was not interested in the final end of Germany either - then the allied France and England would have remained in Europe without a counterweight. The United States also paid extra.
            An interesting bakstag is obtained.
            With Stalin - the continuation of this story. America needed a counterweight to France and England. Germany, even revived, would not have pulled alone. The Rockefellers decided to give money for the industrialization of Russia in order to counterbalance Franzmyu with England in alliance with Germany. Steel took the money and industrialized it. That's the whole gulfind. To the needs of Russia itself, all this was very tangential.
            While we will relate to history in categories of fairy tales for children, we will be manipulated by everyone who is not lazy.
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 9 November 2012 12: 27
          +5
          Quote: alexneg
          not disinterestedly of course

          P-pets, jerky babble! For 5 years in power, Lenin did not earn anything except 3 strokes. It seems that Chubais' grandchildren are "grazing" here laughing
          1. alexng
            alexng 9 November 2012 12: 57
            +1
            And what do you think that you can stir up a revolution without money? And periodicals, but leaflets, and weapons, etc.? At the age of five, you can make a commotion without money, somewhere in a chicken coop ...
          2. Ross
            Ross 10 November 2012 01: 22
            +3
            s1н7т,
            Oh well. And the accounts of Lenin in Swiss banks handed over to interrogations to Stalin Krupskaya? Read the same Gold party Bunich. In detail.
        3. Ross
          Ross 10 November 2012 01: 19
          +2
          alexneg,
          Surprisingly, they blundered for very sober thoughts.
          From childhood I got used to being used to living at someone else’s expense. First daddy, then Masonic money.
          Surprisingly cynical, unprincipled, ready for any abominations for the sake of his goals. Dexterous and charismatic ..
        4. ikrut
          ikrut 14 November 2012 18: 04
          +3
          I'm not a fan of Lenin at all. Somewhere even opposite. But this is the opposite. rather, to my personal flaws. And what is interesting - I see the same thing in the relations of Lenin's ill-wishers, "minus" here. Well, right-word - what are the frivolous "arguments" against?
          Some emotions and some kind of personal complexes. Enough time has already passed to be able to relate to the personality of a great (I think this is undoubtedly in relation to Lenin) man without empty and short-sighted emotions. It's time to have a look at the ESSENCE. Without "quality" assessments. And the essence, in my opinion, is that Lenin was a brilliant pragmatist, perhaps like no one before him (and almost no one after) who managed to realize the most fantastic theoretical ideas. He saw the "world" remarkably clearly and was just as clearly and uncompromisingly able to put theoretical ideas into practice. At one time, both at the university and in graduate school, I had to study most of Lenin's works. This was an obligatory component of any scientific activity. Today, sometimes we have to regret that we nevertheless rather superficially approached his work. Not part of the ideology, no. Namely, in terms of the methodology for achieving the goals. Many of his works would be of great help to today's politicians. Although. sometimes it seems to me. that the same Putin is acting somewhere in Lenin's way in a number of issues (for example, see Lenin's work "On Compromises"). Well, or take the work "On the Slogan of the United States of Europe" and look at the current European Union. A very interesting comparison. Therefore, I think that we do not need to be ashamed at all that there was such a person in our history as V.I. Lenin. Quite the opposite. And to smear history with paints of emotions - it is better to leave it to exalted illiterate screamers. IMHO.
      2. Fox 070
        Fox 070 9 November 2012 13: 23
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        to this traitor and the sixes of the Western conspiracy against Russia,

        Basically, everything is correct, with the exception of a few insignificant details and one, INSIGNIFICANT, in my opinion, circumstances - not a "Western", but a JEWISH conspiracy against the Russians. It was they who were (and are still) the main driver of the ongoing "reforms".
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 06
          +3
          Quote: Fox 070
          Basically, everything is correct, with the exception of a few insignificant details and one, INSIGNIFICANT, in my opinion, circumstances - not a "Western", but a JEWISH conspiracy against the Russians.

          Felix, I don't often agree with you lately, but here +. I wrote and gave the names of Lenin's assistants, most of whom are Jews, but this does not work for some. I can again give and lay out the names of Jews directly involved in the financing of Lenin and those involved in the red terror. The problem is that the truth is that those who minus and call the thug and traitor Lenin "great" do not need hi
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 9 November 2012 14: 22
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The problem is that the truth is not needed for those who minus and call the thug and traitor Lenin "great"

            This position of those who disagree with any point of view is, alas, not new. It is easier to declare an opponent an "enemy" of whatever (or whom) is anyway, than to try to listen to his arguments and understand (not accept, but only understand) his point of view. We are Russians, we live in the same country and everyone loves it in their own way, but (I am convinced) equally strongly. And everyone has their own view of historical events, both old and not so long. But I think it's not worth gnawing each other's throats about this, because when trouble comes to our land (and it comes) we will have to stand back to back and entrust our lives to the one who covers your back UNNECESSARY. Otherwise, we will not survive. Yours faithfully,
            Felix. hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 54
              +1
              [quote = Fox 070] We won't survive otherwise. Regards, [/ quote]
              I agree, but one immediately read that you wrote put a minus wassat These are the "children" of Lenin. They are dedicated to whoever minus. [/ Among the Jewish emigrants who came from the United States were active participants in the October coup, and then members of the Bolshevik leadership - M.S. Uritsky, V.S. Volodarsky (Goldstein), Yu.M. Larin (Lurie), G.N. Melnichansky, G. Zalkind, I.I. Ioffe, G.M. Chudnovsky, S. Gomberg, E. Yarchuk, V. Borovsky, A. Minkin-Menson, S. Voskov. And, finally, the co-author (with I.L. Parvus-Gelfand) of the concept of a permanent world revolution, the future organizer of the Red Army L.D. Trotsky. He left America with a passport issued to him on the personal order of US President Woodrow Wilson [7].

              But what he said in his testimony given in February 1919 to a subcommittee of the Legal Committee of the US Senate, Methodist pastor George A. Simons, who lived in those years in Petrograd. “It is clear that more than half of the agitators in the so-called Bolshevik movement are Jews. In December 1918, in the leadership of the Northern commune of Petrograd, headed by a man by the name of Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), out of 388 members, only 16 were real Russians. The rest, with the exception of a black man from America who calls himself Professor Gordon, were Jews. ”B]
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 9 November 2012 15: 28
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                “It is clear that more than half of the agitators in the so-called Bolshevik movement are Jews.

                Let me add a little ...
                The first document proving the Jewish nature of the “Soviet” regime established in 1917 was the list of leading officials of the Soviet government, compiled in 1919 by the English journalist of the Morning Post newspaper Victor Marsden.
                The following is a list of leaders of the Soviet state. Even Mr. Lucien Wolf was not able to declare this list fake.
                The American Jewish banker Jacob Schiff, (which will be discussed in detail later), funded Japan for the war with Russia. Schiff then financed the “Russian” revolution of 1905 in Russia, and provided Trotsky with a comfortable life, just as the Rothschild in London provided for the life of Kapl Marx. And, after Trotsky was released from Canadian captivity on the orders of the British government controlled by Jews, there is no longer any doubt that the Jews crucified Russia, and that they are responsible for the World War II and for the hypocrisy of the League of Nations, and for the betrayal of the so-called "signing of the Versailles Peace."
                Central Committee of the CPSU of the Bolsheviks (all Jews): In the first place, and this is important, Trotsky (Bronstein) stands at Marsden. In second place is Lenin (Ulyanov.
                Half Hebrew). In third place is Zinoviev (Apfelbaum. He wrote works for Lenin and edited them). Then, in turn: Lurie (Larin), Krylenko (pure Jew, then People’s Commissar of Justice, and the first chairman of the USSR Chess Federation), Lunacharsky (Jew), Uritsky, Volodarsky, Kamenev (Rosenfeld. He’s the husband of Trotsky’s sister and also editor of Lenin’s works) .
                Smidovich. Sverdlov. Glass (Nahamkes).
                Bureau of the First Composition of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies of the City of Moscow (all Jews): Three co-chairs: Chairman of the first Moscow Council after the revolution - Leyba Khinchuk. Chairman of the Council of Workers and Red Army - Smidovich. Chairman of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies - Moder.
                Members of the first Moscow City Council: Zarkh. Clamer. Gronberg. Scheinkman. Rothstein.
                Levenson. Krasnopolsky. Martov (Cederbaum). Rivkin. Simson Tyapkin.
                Chic. Falk. Anderson (Lithuanian Jew). Vimba (Lithuanian Jew). Solo (Lithuanian Jew). Michelson. Ter-Michyan (Armenian Jew). The Secretary of the Bureau is Klausner. Head of the Chancellery - Rocenholtz.

                ...
                1. Fox 070
                  Fox 070 9 November 2012 15: 38
                  +4
                  Fox 070,
                  All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the Fourth All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies: (According to the constitution of 1918, formally, the highest authority).
                  Of the 34 members of the CEC, not a single Gentile.
                  The chairman is Yakov Sverdlov. Members: Abelman. Veltman (Pavlovich).
                  Axelrod. Cederbaum (Martov. Menshevik). Krasikov. Lundberg.
                  Volodarsky. Cederbaum (Levitsky). Lenin. Zinoviev-Apfelbaum. Trotsky.
                  An orphan. Sukhanov (Himmer). Rivkin. Tseibut. Ratner. Bleikhman (Solntaev).
                  A. Goldenrudin. Haskin. Lander. Aronovich. Kamkov (Katz). Fishman.
                  Abramovich. Fritsche. Ilyin (Goldstein). Reckless. Khinchuk. Berlinrut. Distler
                  Chernyavsky. Ben (Benjamin) Smidovich.
                  All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the Fifth Congress of Soviets. Of the 62 members, not a single Gentile:
                  Bruno (Lithuanian Jew). Breslau (Lithuanian Jew). Babchinsky. Bukharin (a pure Jew and friend of Trotsky, who was with him in New York and has American citizenship, always pretending to be Russian). Weinberg.
                  Gailis. Heinzberg. Danishevsky (German Jew). Stark. Sachs. Scheinman.
                  Airling. Ladauer. Linger. Volah (Litvinov, future Foreign Minister recorded by the Czech, Czechoslovak Jew). Simon Dimanstein. Levin. Erman.
                  Joffe. Karklin. Knigissen. Kamenev (Rosenfeld). Zinoviev (Apfelbaum).
                  Krylenko (emphasis is Jewish). Krasikov. Kapnik. Kaul. Lenin. Lacis (Marsden already stresses that Lacis is a Jew). Lander. Lunacharsky.
                  Peterson (Lithuanian Jew). Peters (Latvian Jew). Rudzutak (Lithuanian Jew). Rosin. Smdovic. Knock (Latvian Jew). Sverdlov.
                  Smiga (Latvian Jew). Glass (Nahamkes). Sosnovitsky. Skrypnik.
                  Trotsky. Theodorovich. Teryan (Armenian Jew). Uritsky. Tegulechkin.
                  Feldman. Frumkin. Tsuryupa. Chavchavadze (Georgian Jew). Scheinkman.
                  Rosenthal. Ashkenazi. Karahan (Karaite Jew). Rose. Radek (Sobelson). Schlichter. Cicolini. Shiyansky.
                  Council of People's Commissars: Chairman - Ulyanov-Lenin (semi-Jew, he is still Russian by Marsden). Commissioner of Foreign Affairs: first Trotsky (Jew), then Chicherin (Semi-Jew, Marsden has Russian), Commissioner for Nationalities - Dzhugashvili (Georgian). Chairman of the Council of National Economy - Lurie (Larin) - a Jew. The Commissioner for Restoration is Schlichter (Jew), the Commissioner of State Lands is Kaufmann (Jew).
                  The Commissioner of State Control is Lander (Jew). Commissioner of Public Works - V. Schmidt (Jew). Commissar for Agriculture - Proshyan (Armenian Jew). The commissar of the Army and Navy is Trotsky (Jew).
                  Commissioner of Social Assistance - E. Lilina (Knigissen) - Jewish, Commissioner of Education - Lunacharsky (Bailich, he has Mandelstam at Marsden) - Jew, Commissioner of Religions - Spitzberg (Jew), Commissioner of Internal Affairs - Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - Jewish, Commissioner for Finance - Isidor Gukovsky (Jew), Commissioner for Election Affairs - Uritsky (Jew). Commissioner of Justice - I. Steinberg (Jew). The commissioner for evacuation affairs is Fenigstein (Jew), his deputies - Ravich and Zaslavsky - both Jews.
                  Total of the 20 Soviet commissars is one Stalin, two proluvreys and 17 pure Jews.

                  http://detimidgarda.at.ua/news/stoleshnikov_a_p_reabilitacii_ne_budet_ili_anti_a
                  rkhipelag / 2010-12-19-27
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 16: 26
                    +4
                    Well, which confirms once again, there was a "great" "Russian" revolution. advice Jews laughing
              2. Rink
                Rink 10 November 2012 02: 28
                +2
                Lenin is the curse of Russia. Let me explain why I think so.

                His dream was to build a socialist state. Seized ideas from Marx and Engels, the new Tomaso Campanella, and dreamed, theorist ...

                His energy was simply used by the British special services to destroy Russia. They noticed him and after preparing the soil, they threw him as a "maggot" into the wound. Trotsky and Lenin with all his other "revolutionary troops" in a sealed carriage, generously supplied with currency from the capitalists, were thrown into Russia at the right time. Just like Arab militants are now in Syria. Kerensky prepared the ground for Lenin, and practically transferred power into his hands. Without Kerensky's help, the Bolsheviks would have had no chance of accomplishing a coup.

                Lenin, on the eve of the revolution, three months later, while sitting in Switzerland, wrote that "unfortunately, in our lifetime we will not see socialism." That is, Lenin did not prepare any revolution, and did not control the situation. On the eve of October I did not even suspect of some kind of "revolutionary moment". All his genius and perspicacity is based on working with British intelligence: they leaked information to him when and what to do, and British agents provided both mass actions of workers and weapons in their hands.

                Lenin's only merit to Russia is that, having come to power with the help of foreign special services, he (like the "Muslim brothers" now in the Arab countries) "threw" his temporary "bosses": instead of continuing the collapse of the country after Kerensky , suddenly got out of their control and began to implement his own idea - the construction of a Marxian communist society. Obviously, this was the reason for his strange, untimely death, since the time intervals are already very close and hardly accidental.

                In other words, the British intelligence services used Lenin's fanaticism for their own purposes, and Lenin used the chance they provided to realize their ideas. He threw them - they slapped him. Everything is trite.

                Trotsky - "fallback", "insurance". In case one fails, the other should have worked. But whom the British did not "count" was Stalin. Stalin was able to outplay Trotsky after Lenin's death. When Stalin realized the destructive direction of Trotsky's activities for the country, who was striving to complete the task, he first exiled him from Moscow, and then from Russia altogether. When Stalin figured out that Trotsky was an agent, and his destructive ideas of "permanent revolution" were not from Bronstein's stupidity, but part of a far-reaching plan for the destruction of the Russian state, Stalin "knocked" Trotsky out of the game. Absolutely.

                Lenin, to put it mildly, did not play a very attractive role in the history of Russia.

                Read more about these events in the convincing books of Nikolai Starikov. For example, in "Who Killed the Russian Empire?" и "February 1917, revolution or special operation?".
                Recommend! this version practically does not leave white spots in the history of those fleeting and sometimes mysterious events. Even if you do not agree with the author’s arguments (which is hard to imagine), it is not harmful to read at least for general erudition.
          2. Ross
            Ross 10 November 2012 01: 33
            0
            Alexander Romanov,
            Felix
            In addition to your posts, I wanted to note that the problem is not with the Jews, they are simple performers, but with the Zionist conspiracy against the last empires of Europe, with the goal of building a Liberal New World Order. They worked on it for hundreds of years and the 1917 revolution in Russia is part of their plan.
            Read Mein Kampf Hitler about his young years and you will see that in Germany, on the eve of the First World War, Jews seized the whole press, stood at the head of all the Social Democratic parties. This is a global project and the role of Lenin in it has not yet been truthfully described.
      3. homosum20
        homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 04
        0
        Alexander (I see your posts so often that I perceive you as a close person),
        Ulyanov, in my opinion, has long ceased to be perceived as a person. Therefore, his personal qualities do not matter.
        In its shadow, ferns such as the sailor iron ore, daredevils (both revolutionary and present) thrive. He has long been the object of socio-political speculation. Despite the fact that he himself was decent, apparently, a freak. In Paris, guides are happy to tell how he weekly visited Montparnasse with his black mistress.
        Unlike England and France, Russia was late with the bourgeois revolution.
        Plus, in the 17th, America influenced the situation in Europe. And in this confrontation between France, Germany, England, America, Ilyich acted as the ball in the match. The interests of Russia, the people, have nothing to do with it (the Bolsheviks and their sympathizers made up 3,5% of the population).
        What can feel the ball from the penalty spot. But Ilyich, apparently, understood what role he plays. This explains his passive position at the end of life. (like a tagged one) He then avenged his brother. He sold us
      4. His
        His 10 November 2012 16: 40
        -1
        The winners write the story. The commies wrote it for themselves, the story that we were hammered at school. The history of Russia is the path of Russian blood - always wars and premature male death. But if you compare it with other civilizations (China, India, the East, Europe, the states of America) - there is no less death and blood ...
    2. Serb
      Serb 9 November 2012 08: 03
      +13
      Dear, "I thought one thing, said another, did a third" as any person does every day. Any leader will be good for someone and bad for someone. Objectively, if you look at that state under and after Lenin was developing at a not weak pace, and there are no mistakes in those who do nothing.
      Subordinates are used to scolding leaders, and are usually sure that they better understand how and what to do. So they would take and do, or just words. Itself went through this until you yourself begin to lead, and you will think that a person at the helm with his finger in his nose picks himself and not work.
      I respect your opinion on this issue.
    3. Vlaleks48
      Vlaleks48 9 November 2012 11: 48
      -3
      koksalek
      He is no different from those who were eager (eager) for power - he thought one thing, said another, did the third. These will stop at nothing. IMHO, for me he is 90% negative character in the story

      V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) was the leader of a non-Russian Orthodox people; he simply destroyed him and the bearers of the faith and culture of Orthodoxy!
      VI Ulyanov (Lenin) was the leader of the first Jewish all-Russian coup, together with his comrades Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev and other "Russian" intellectuals!
      The task of the wise men of Zion, begun by Ulyanov and continued by Chubais, is being solved today!
      And we are all witnesses and involuntary participants in this tragedy!
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 9 November 2012 12: 30
        -4
        Orthodoxy against the Jewish conspiracy ... You need to be treated, it seems.
      2. Ross
        Ross 10 November 2012 01: 40
        -1
        Vlaleks48,
        The father of Lenin's mother, Srul, raped his daughter and she bore him four children, one of which was his future mother. The result of blood mixing is degeneration, which manifested itself clearly in Volodya Ulyanov in his specific diseases.
    4. alatau_09
      alatau_09 9 November 2012 11: 55
      +6
      Whatever the history of the Motherland may be, it must be accepted as it was, without "we will destroy and rebuild" otherwise History is a vengeful woman, does not like unconsciousness ...
      Whether you like it or not, Lenin is a genius and a person ... and it is too early to give an assessment of his activities ... have not yet matured ...
      In the West, for example, many millionaires keep Karl Marx's "Capital" on their shelves and reread ... and Lenin has something to read in relation to the present day in terms of protecting the state and the aspirations of the people ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 12: 23
        +4
        Quote: alatau_09
        Whatever the history of the motherland, it must be accepted as it was,

        That's it, such as she was, and not to invent beautiful tales about the good grandfather, who thought about the people, drowning him in blood.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 9 November 2012 12: 32
        0
        Quote: alatau_09
        Whether you want it or not, Lenin is a genius and a person ...

        + 100!
      3. Fox 070
        Fox 070 9 November 2012 13: 28
        -1
        Quote: alatau_09
        Whether you want it or not, Lenin is a genius and a person ...

        Dr. Goebels is also a genius. Well ... ok - yes, but a genius. Yes, and Chubais - far from it. Still need examples?
        1. alatau_09
          alatau_09 9 November 2012 13: 52
          +3
          to be a loud mongrel screamer at your boss - genius is not needed, you need artistry and a posed voice to work on the order and a finished script written by the Jews on the collapse of the economy of your country genius is not needed - you only need the genes of Judah and the innate cunning to survive ...

          The genius of the Personality is to give the Nations an alternative to Genesis, to show a new Path of development, to Awaken a person in the usual, ordinary and lead to actions on a global scale ...
          Almost a third of mankind is still guided by the ideas laid down by Lenin ... today, quite a few nations are striving for it, to one degree or another ...
          And it’s not his fault that these movements of Judah are led by politics and embezzlement ...
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 10
          +2
          Quote: Fox 070
          Dr. Goebels is also a genius. Well ... ok - yes, but a genius.

          Two boots of steam, cited by the bloody facts that were authorized by Lenin to see a little, okay, a little later I will lay out for some types of nicknames
          Quote: c1n7
          s1н7т
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 9 November 2012 16: 05
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            there are few cited facts that were authorized by Lenin

            Me (my ancestors) personally such a fact concerns:
            "Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic
            All-Russian Council of People's Commissars Moscow. Kremlin.
            No. 3679 April 19, 1920
            STRICTLY SECRET Prev Cheka Dzerzhinsky
            NOTE TO EX. No. 2226 / D OF 10.04.1920/XNUMX/XNUMX
            The task of the Cheka is that the word “Cossacks” itself disappear from the Russian language once and for all. Throughout Russian history, the Cossacks acted as the executioner of the working class. Soviet power must mercilessly and everywhere destroy and punish the Cossacks as a class hostile to the proletariat.
            Prev Sov. People's Commissars: signature (Ulyanov-Lenin) "
            Already this one for me ... with brute force, but it's purely personal ... I respect all the opinions expressed. hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 16: 34
              0
              Quote: Kaa
              Me (my ancestors) personally such a fact concerns:

              Hi Kaa, but not one of you, all of Russia has bent and drowned in the blood of these revolutionaries. There are thousands of facts, but it is astounding that, as time passes, when it would seem that all the materials about what the Bolsheviks and Lenin himself represented themselves, so many people continue to be in a fog. They read, know, see, but ....... .......... Einstein was right when he said- In the world, two things are endless - this is the universe and human stupidity, although about the first he was not sure hi
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 9 November 2012 16: 42
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                all of Russia bent and drowned in the blood of these revolutionaries.

                For which they paid ... in 1937. Not all, however, some civilians later rehabilitated their own people (starting with Khrushch), but the “bloody Stalin” was to blame - and Lenin, Trotsky, “their name is legion,” Khrushchev himself - all in white, and fluffy ...
              2. homosum20
                homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 18
                0
                Dear, I repeat, remember the first misfortune of our country. This is destiny.
            2. xorgi
              xorgi 10 November 2012 11: 27
              0
              And this ancestors killed and robbed my ancestors. And these are not fairy tales from books, but family history.
        3. homosum20
          homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 15
          0
          Totally agree with you. But arguing is useless. These people are the first misfortune of our homeland.
      4. homosum20
        homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 13
        0
        Dear, what is the connection between "capital" and Lenin (Ulyanov)?
        There is no word "revolution" in "Capital". This is a scientific economic work.
        Mixing "capital" and Ulyanov It's like mixing the author of a textbook on strength of materials and the designer of a "tiger" tank.
    5. s1н7т
      s1н7т 9 November 2012 12: 23
      0
      Quote: koksalek
      I thought one thing, said another, did the third

      What does this mean?
      It looks like you have "... just a manifestation of your own psychological notoriousness." laughing
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 9 November 2012 21: 11
      +1
      If someone remembers Colonel General Volkogonov, the smartest man, the author of many books, including the trilogy "Trotsky", "Stalin", "Lenin". Unfortunately, he died long ago, he wrote his books on these three historical characters at the dawn of perestroika. I remember very well the program on TV (one of the last, he died shortly after this program), and how he talked about his work on the book "Lenin". He was even allowed to work with documents that no one had previously worked with, at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism and at the Historical Museum. There he told a lot, but I remember the words he said about how Lenin wrote in a short note he wrote after the capture of Zimny, about the current situation (literally I cannot write, but with approximately 50% accuracy): "Power was lying around on the ground, only the lazy one could not lift it, but we raised it! Petrograd is ours! Moscow will be tomorrow! And Russia? Unlikely? Kerensky is a burdock! If he had promised the land and the end of the war, he would have been the winner! "Something like that! There was still a lot that he read, excerpts from notes, letters, notes (Lenin loved and wrote everything down, and all his notes were strictly collected and kept, only not everyone was allowed access). Among other things, a note was mentioned in which Lenin admitted that it is impossible to build socialism in a single state without relying on terror and strict discipline, and that the model of socialism is not workable. These records dated from the time when Lenin insisted on a departure from politics. " war communism "and the transition to a" new economic policy - NEP ". Like this ! In general, there are some good things in Lenin's works. I read on duty because I had nothing to do on watch.
  2. mar.tira
    mar.tira 9 November 2012 07: 15
    +21
    To each his own! But the fact that you now live and enjoy the benefits of the Socialist Fatherland that has not been finished yet. First of all, it is his merit. He indicated which way we needed to move! But how they implemented it and performed it is another topic!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 07: 49
      -6
      Quote: mar.tira
      e! But the fact that you now live and enjoy the benefits of the Socialist Fatherland that has not been finished yet. First of all, it is his merit

      It’s not him, it is Stalin’s merit, not Lenin’s. What did Lenin do in fact that Russia was good for Russia, at least one factual person will give it?
      1. Lacoste
        Lacoste 9 November 2012 07: 54
        +12
        He made a state in which Stalin had the opportunity to come to power and make a great country.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 07: 59
          +5
          Quote: Lacoste
          Mr. made a state in which Stalin had the opportunity to come to power

          Stalin did not even begin to ask this traitor of Russia, and well-done Stalin didn’t rest the friend of Trotsky’s Lenin with an ice pick.
          1. Lacoste
            Lacoste 9 November 2012 08: 06
            +2
            And how can you justify the assertion that Lenin is a traitor to Russia?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 12
              -4
              Quote: Lacoste
              And how can you justify the assertion that Lenin is a traitor to Russia?

              With whose money did he stir up the revolution? The destruction of the Churches, the mass destruction of priests, the attempt to destroy Orthodoxy - the pillar of Russia, the red terror, the taking of hostages, the total destruction of Russia. This is only a fraction of his crimes. So who is he?
              1. Lacoste
                Lacoste 9 November 2012 08: 20
                +7
                As for the money for the revolution, it is doubtful, there are no reliable facts. Orthodoxy killed in people any inclination to resist, called for humility and said that "then it will be good, but now you bear it." Well, I think you yourself know about the White Terror and the plundering of Russia by White. He also wanted Russia to become educated. So that people, even from the bottom, have the opportunity to come to power, if they have the ability and talents for this. Do you call this a betrayal? In addition, the Bolshevik army had a much larger number than the white army. Because the people followed him.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  Well, about the White Terror and the sacking of Russia by White, I think you yourself know

                  The facts in the studio about white terror, until I proved the opposite to you.
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  As for money for the revolution - doubtfully, there are no reliable facts.

                  A sea of ​​facts, only those who do not want them to come will not see them.
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  He also wanted Russia to become educated.

                  That is why the educated were subject to execution. The facts have already been cited, in response to the acre of the minuses of a single refutation.
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  Do you call this a betrayal?

                  Do not distort, what I call betrayal I described above and you know how to read.
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  In addition, the Bolshevik army was much larger than the White army.

                  They went after Yeltsin in 91, it’s easy for people to brainwash about a bright future.
                  1. Lacoste
                    Lacoste 9 November 2012 08: 38
                    -1
                    The facts in the studio about white terror, until I proved the opposite to you.,
                    In Yekaterinburg province, one of the 12 provinces controlled by Kolchak, at least 25 thousand people were executed under Kolchak, and about 10% of the two millionth population was outraged. Flogged both men and women and children.
                    The “White Terror” reached the highest scale in Siberia against peasants during punitive actions of units of the armies of Admiral Kolchak in the areas of the partisans, and the detachments of the Czechoslovak Corps were also used in these actions.
                    The exact number of victims of the White Terror has not been established, however, the policy of White Terror has caused such discontent among the population that, along with other factors, has served as one of the reasons for the defeat of the White movement in the Civil War.
                    According to V.V. Erlikhman, about 300 thousand people died from the "white terror". This number includes both victims of extrajudicial killings of the actual white forces and governments (approximately 111 thousand people), as well as victims of foreign invaders and interventionists and victims of national border regimes resulting from the collapse of the Russian Empire.

                    A sea of ​​facts, only those who do not want them to come will not see them.,
                    Well, to the studio!

                    That is why the educated were subject to execution. The facts have already been cited, in response to the acre of the minuses of a single refutation.,
                    These educated oppressed their people, so they paid.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 44
                      +3
                      "Walter Nicolai and his contribution to the development of German and world intelligence", in which he writes: "There was one among this company, who became" on the stand "at the German intelligence, and one Ulyanov (Lenin) - a very ardent and passionate propagandist. So this extraordinary a revolutionary in 1910, German intelligence paid 125 marks a month, receiving information from him about the secret police working in the West. {52} http://militera.lib.ru/h/nicolai_w/pre.html
                      {52} In his memoirs, Nicholas wrote: "... but I only knew about Lenin that he lived in Switzerland as a political emigrant" Ulyanov "who delivered valuable information to my service about the situation in tsarist Russia, against which he fought." Dear, you published your extract from the newspaper Pravda, for what year you will not tell me. I recently read such nonsense. And about paid in the last article, I wrote who and how paid, children were shot and pregnant women. By the way, from declassified materials, which are not from the newspaper "Pravda" but from documents that were compiled by the Bolsheviks themselves.
                      1. vlbelugin
                        vlbelugin 9 November 2012 09: 54
                        +3
                        Alexander Romanov
                        Turn on the brain. Well, what interest could intelligence have provoked in B, I. Lenin? Is he a statesman? Was he related to the military or technical secrets of Russia?
                        Already these stamps about a spy, a sealed car, etc. fed up. Find something new.
                        By the way, if you write an article about you that you are a CIA agent and for everything you write here, you get a fee from them. That about five years ago they were ill with gonorrhea from an accidental relationship with Madonna. To spread it over the Internet and a certain part of the population will believe in it. And then with foam at the mouth she will tell how they held a candle and personally saw how you received money from the CIA in the mail.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 10: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: vlbelugin
                        Turn on the brain. Well, what interest could intelligence have provoked in B, I. Lenin? Is he a statesman? Was he related to the military or technical secrets of Russia?

                        Kasparov, Udaltsov, Bykov, Navalny, Chirikova who are they? Everything according to your criteria, however ..............
                        Quote: vlbelugin
                        Already these stamps about a spy, a sealed car, etc. fed up

                        Better you find rebuttals, so it will be more honest.
                        Quote: vlbelugin
                        By the way, if you write an article about you that you are a CIA agent and for everything you write here, you get a fee from them. That five years ago they were ill with a gonorrhea from an accidental relationship with Madonna

                        Write, only instead of Madonna, let there be Spears, she is younger, and the madonna is not in my taste.
                      3. Oboz
                        Oboz 9 November 2012 12: 33
                        +2
                        Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 10: 0
                        Quote: vlbelugin
                        Turn on the brain. Well, what interest could intelligence have provoked in B, I. Lenin? Is he a statesman? Was he related to the military or technical secrets of Russia?

                        Kasparov, Udaltsov, Bykov, Navalny, Chirikova who are they? Everything according to your criteria, however ..............

                        An interesting comparison criterion for you is Ar.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Oboz
                        An interesting comparison criterion for you is Ar

                        What you don’t like when you are the ideologists of the traitor of Russia, Lenin, dipped into your own city ....... Well, these are your swamp ideals, the same venality, just not the beginning of the 20th century, but 21.
                      5. v53993
                        v53993 9 November 2012 10: 09
                        +4
                        And why did you decide that the Germans will tell us the truth about us. But this is not beneficial for them. And they are not so stupid as to act without benefit for themselves.
                      6. urzul
                        urzul 9 November 2012 10: 21
                        +4
                        Your statement is also true for the Communists. Imagine the consequences of such information in 42 for example.
                      7. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 12: 20
                        0
                        Quote: v53993
                        And why did you decide that the Germans will tell us the truth about us

                        The paradox is that I reprinted Dzerzhinsky's memos to Stalin in a number of cases, I can still put it out there, it will pull a whole page.
                  2. vlbelugin
                    vlbelugin 9 November 2012 09: 41
                    +9
                    They also went after Yeltsin in 91, it’s easy for people to powder their brains about a bright future
                    Muscovites snickered after Yeltsin, who suddenly saw that there were no sausages in Moscow stores.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 10: 00
                      -2
                      Quote: vlbelugin
                      Muscovites go too far for Yeltsin,

                      But what country did not rebel if the whole country was against it? Gorbachev by that time got everyone with his perestroika. Yes, and then Peter supported Bolshivikov, all the same.
                      1. Brother Sarych
                        Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 10: 25
                        +4
                        If someone picks Putin up now, then no one will scratch either!
                        In places of their problems, they are above the roof, but there was no real opportunity to somehow influence the development of events! Yes, there is no money to go to Moscow to defend or overthrow the government ...
                      2. vlbelugin
                        vlbelugin 9 November 2012 13: 24
                        +1
                        Read VS Vysotsky: "..... There are few real violent ones. So there are no leaders."
                2. homosum20
                  homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 39
                  +1
                  As for money - what are your doubts? More to read. Orthodoxy is a branch of Christianity. Christians were fed to lions - they did not renounce their faith. Sorry, you smack nonsense. Limes have a proverb: roads to hell are paved with good intentions. This is about the cooks governing the state. Before Putin, they ruled him with us. The people did not follow him, the people followed the slogans: land - to the peasants, factories - to the workers.
                  Did they get what the Ulyanov promised ?. Horseradish. Cheated. And he was not going to perform. Therefore, a traitor.
                3. Karish
                  Karish 9 November 2012 19: 58
                  -4
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  As for money for the revolution - doubtfully, there are no reliable facts.

                  Yes, Lenin received more than llama of German marks in gold
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  Orthodoxy killed in people any inclination to resist, called for humility and said that "then it will be good, but now it suffers

                  Tales, the people had a revolutionary situation. Forgot about the 1905 revolution? Nicholas abdicated in February 1917, the provisional government ruled .. Or should these facts be proved the same?
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  Well, about the White Terror and the sacking of Russia by White, I think you yourself know.

                  The Bolsheviks started the terror first, and then everything went along the chain. Why is it just white? And Petlyura, Makhno, Czechs, Poles. Everyone tried
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  He also wanted Russia to become educated.

                  And before that did not want to? And he ordered the hostages to take (including children) and shoot them the same
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  So that people even from the bottom have the opportunity to come to power, if they have the ability and talent for this

                  So the tops all changed. And governing the country as a cook, still does not disentangle.
                  Quote: Lacoste
                  Do you call this a betrayal? In addition, the Bolshevik army was much larger than the White army. Because the people followed him


                  Of course. Propaganda is sir. Power to the people, Factories to the workers, Earth to the peasants. --- The people - got involved, got --- a bolt of such ........... sizes.
                  But still believes in the light of Lenin. Yes, if it weren’t him and the Second World War there wouldn’t be, Hitler wouldn’t have been rocking, and in terms of development he would have been better.
                4. Ross
                  Ross 10 November 2012 01: 57
                  +1
                  Lacoste,
                  One of Lenin's first decrees was the lifting of the ban on homosexuality.
                  The first decree of Lunacharsky (Minister of Culture) is the prohibition of History in schools (what do you call education?)
                  Since 1918 of the year, Trotsky has been distributing concessions (the Civil War is on!) To American bankers who sponsored the October Revolution.
                  Guys, read the sources. Read the book of Bunich Gold party 1993 of the year! Immediately after the 1991 year, he worked with the archives of the CPSU until Yeltsin made everything secret. You will read Lenin’s correspondence with his comrades about the expropriation of gold from Russia and how many millions of Swiss francs from the personal accounts of the closest comrades-in-arms and Lenin himself were returned to Stalin.
              2. the polar
                the polar 9 November 2012 08: 44
                +2
                Pity you, you are simply ignorant in the history of the revolution. Victim of online learning.
              3. baltika-18
                baltika-18 9 November 2012 10: 00
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                The destruction of the Churches, the mass destruction of priests, the attempt to destroy Orthodoxy is the pillar of Russia, the Red Terror, the taking of hostages, the total destruction of Russia.

                And now, what’s not the total plunder of Russia? Why don’t you call Putin a traitor? Just because he baptizes his forehead sometimes in the temple? Hypocrite Sasha. You call me an association with the Pharisees and Sadducees from the Bible, the very ones that crucified Christ. , you will understand then that the first who proposed the socialist idea to people was precisely Christ, for which he was crucified, for those in power at that time, as well as in the present, do not want to lose the unjustly gained very much.
                1. urzul
                  urzul 9 November 2012 10: 15
                  +1
                  What we are seeing now is so small, compared to what Russia lost after October, I already wrote about the territory, population and industrial enterprises. But how can you explain that the harvest of "backward" tsarist Russia of the 1913 model was achieved by the "advanced" USSR only by 1976
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 10: 17
                    -1
                    Quote: urzul
                    But how can you explain that the harvest of "backward" tsarist Russia of the 1913 model was achieved by the "advanced" USSR only by 1976

                    Andrei, they have only minuses from the explanations hi
                  2. alexng
                    alexng 9 November 2012 10: 46
                    -1
                    Andrei, it is useless to argue with those sharpened under the hammer and sickle, instead of a reasoned answer they give "ten years of execution" minuses. It's like arguing with a troll or a bot. Although we mainly write comments for readers, and not for opponents, by and large.
                    1. urzul
                      urzul 9 November 2012 11: 10
                      0
                      By the way, the joke is of course, but there is a version that the sickle and hammer are a secret sign of circumcision
                      1. ded
                        ded 9 November 2012 12: 38
                        -1
                        By the way, the joke is of course, but there is a version that the sickle and hammer are a secret sign of circumcision


                        This is our Soviet coat of arms!
                        Here's a hammer on top.
                        Bottom sickle.
                        You want life, and you want kui
                        But still get X ..!

                        That's how we sang in the pioneer camp in those days! Nostalgia!
                      2. alexng
                        alexng 9 November 2012 12: 48
                        +5
                        Quote: urzul
                        By the way, the joke is of course, but there is a version that the sickle and hammer are a secret sign of circumcision

                        Well, the sickle is understandable, but the hammer? In case circumcision failed? He slammed the ends into the water, or rather soft-boiled. laughing
                  3. stas52
                    stas52 9 November 2012 11: 12
                    +6
                    Quote: urzul
                    that the harvest of "backward" tsarist Russia of the 1913 model was achieved by the "advanced" USSR only by 1976

                    The fact is that Russia of the 1913 of the year was an agrarian country, the USSR threw all its forces into industrialization, so we will not forget the Second World War and its consequences
                    1. urzul
                      urzul 9 November 2012 11: 20
                      -1
                      So it is true, but there were already other technologies. At the same time, the USSR bought grain for gold.
                      1. sq
                        sq 9 November 2012 13: 04
                        +4
                        Tsarist Russia also bought and a lot. And about technology, the question is big. The real return on technology began already in the sixties, when agricultural mechanization started, and before that the main thing was horse and hands. And, again, agricultural production has tremendous inertia. It takes years to develop land, and years and dozens of years to perfect the culture of agriculture. You can destroy it in a year or two. You don’t have to go far for examples; in Russia it is very clearly visible. And in terms of elementary economy - the minimum term for the turnover of money invested in agriculture is a year (season), at industrial enterprises less.

                        He who has eyes and sees, who has brains and uses them. [/ B]
                    2. sq
                      sq 9 November 2012 12: 12
                      +4
                      In 1913, Russia reaped the fruits of Stolypin's reforms. Next was the war. A huge number of workers from the village were withdrawn, respectively, food production is reduced, then the revolution and civil war. How many workers are lost for production. Even without considering the dead, how many ran with rifles and waved sabers instead of raising bread. And they wanted to eat everything to the full. Further, how much draft power was lost - horses, cattle, and how much time is needed to restore a working population, because horses are not rabbits. Women, children and the elderly practically could not provide expanded production in those conditions. Then there was collectivization and peking. Breaking the established order always leads to a significant drop in production, and Emel-razeylob's zeal during collectivization helped a lot. Further, after a short period of relative calm, another war. In general, we can say that agriculture from the 14th to the end of the 50s suffered more losses than it developed, given the huge inertia in the development of agricultural production. I believe that a comparison of the 1913 and 1976 crops is incorrect. By the 70s, agriculture was only recovering from all these shocks.
                  4. X-55
                    X-55 9 November 2012 12: 36
                    +1
                    Wow, little things. At the moment we are losing, just the same, the most important thing is people. Mortality in Russia, as in the Third World countries, and fertility is low. To bring hundreds of thousands of Tajiks and Uzbeks is not an option.
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 10: 24
                  -2
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  And now what is not the total plunder of Russia?

                  And there is such a thing, and Putin’s fault in this is that he should long ago overdo it and return to the ownership of natural resources and the Central Bank, but somehow it’s not correct to compare Lenin and Putin.
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Just because he baptizes his forehead in the temple sometimes?

                  Even without comment
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Hypocritical Sasha.

                  You blame others, but the facts themselves that Lenin did good for Russia will you bring?
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  .You have my association with the Pharisees and Sadducees from the Bible, the very ones who crucified Christ. Read the Bible properly, then you will understand that it was Christ who was the first who proposed the socialist idea to people, for which he was crucified, because those in power at that time , as in the current one, I really don’t want to lose the unjustly acquired

                  Christ socialism did not offer !!! Please do not write such nonsense anymore.
                  1. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 9 November 2012 10: 42
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Christ socialism did not offer !!! Please do not write such nonsense anymore.

                    You write nonsense, but I will not argue. I prefer not to wait much when everything returns to normal. For this I am retiring.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 12: 18
                      -1
                      Quote: baltika-18
                      I prefer not to wait much when everything returns to square one.

                      The Kingdom of God will come faster than you come to power hi
                      1. Oboz
                        Oboz 9 November 2012 12: 39
                        -2
                        Not at all. And guessing is not necessary.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Oboz
                        And guessing is not necessary.

                        Seropogonny come on without rudeness
                    2. dmb
                      dmb 9 November 2012 20: 17
                      +4
                      But you are in vain. I'm about the removal. I understand that it is difficult to answer the clinic. Well, you cannot explain to a mentally unhealthy person that he is not given a driver's license or the right to bear arms in his own interests. But this clinic is read by others as well. First of all, of course, young people. Not the one who writes that literacy is superfluous, that generals Krasnov and Shkuro are patriots, not traitors, and we now live badly solely through the fault of the communists. With these gentlemen, everything is clear. Ask them where they got it all, so one curious detail will become clear (well, of course, with an honest answer). sources of information will be the most liberal, like "Echo of Moscow". At the same time, all these gentlemen of the liberals are stigmatizing (and rightly so), for nothing, not thinking about why their ideological opponents are so successfully supplying them with this information. And you leave those young people who are really interested in history at the mercy of these narrow-minded gentlemen. But she would rather go to this interesting military site, and not to the site of the Communist Party. There are too many Zyuganov there. Therefore, I think that you cannot leave such sites. There is nothing to do on the Sobchak website, because it is visited mainly by glamorous fools. And here is the place for those who are not indifferent to the fate of Russia. As for the return to square one, I think it will happen much sooner than it seems. This idea prompted me yesterday's program of Solovyov, where Zhirinovsky and Bortko met. And if Zhirik, with his brilliant ability for polemics, the destruction of any opponent with rudeness and shouts, outright lost to the talented, but not PR Bortko, then the matter is a pipe. People began to understand that empty promises of power and clowning of its henchmen are not what they need.
                  2. Oboz
                    Oboz 9 November 2012 12: 37
                    -1
                    And to compare Lenin and "Kasparov, Udaltsov, Bykov, Navalny, Chirikov who are they? All according to your criterion, however .............." - is it correct?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 20
                      0
                      Quote: Oboz
                      And to compare Lenin and “Kasparov, Udaltsov, Bykov, Navalny, Chirikov, who are they?

                      The most correct and only true comparison is that Lenin, that the marshes of this day have Western funding and this is FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              4. 8 company
                8 company 9 November 2012 10: 25
                -3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Destruction of the Churches, mass massacre of priests, an attempt to destroy Orthodoxy


                For the sake of justice: although Lenin began this process, but in his time, churchmen and churches were not destroyed with such intensity as under Stalin. On January 22, 1918, V. I. Lenin wrote: "A radiogram to everyone, everyone": "Yesterday, January 21.1.1918, 1923, a decree was published on the complete separation of the church from the state and on the confiscation of all church property." In fulfillment of the decree, nearly six thousand churches and monasteries were immediately taken away from the Church. From 1928 to 1929, hundreds of clergy and laity were arrested, but there were almost no death sentences. Between 1933 and 1937, about forty thousand clergymen were arrested. Four thousand people were arrested in Moscow and the Moscow region alone. Most of those arrested were sentenced to imprisonment in concentration camps, the rest were shot. According to the data of the government commission for the rehabilitation of victims of political repression, 136.900 Orthodox clergymen were arrested in 85.300, of whom 1938 were shot; in 28.300, 21.500 were arrested, 1939 were shot; in 1.500, 900 were arrested, 1940 were shot; in 5.100 1.100 were arrested, 1941 were shot; in 4.000 1.900 were arrested, 1938 were shot. By the spring of 16, the authorities considered that the Russian Orthodox Church was physically destroyed and there was no longer the need to maintain a special state apparatus for monitoring the Church and enforcing repressive orders. On April 1938, 25, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the SSR decided to liquidate the Commission of the Presidium of the Central Executive Committee of the SSR on religious issues. Of the 1935 thousand churches in 1937, after two years of persecution in 1938 and 1277, only 1744 churches remained in Soviet Russia, and 1939 churches ended up on the territory of the Soviet Union after the annexation of the western regions of Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic states. Thus, in all of Russia in 1935 there were fewer churches than in the Ivanovo region alone in XNUMX. "
                1. vardex
                  vardex 9 November 2012 14: 25
                  +2
                  "... These and similar numerous examples with sufficient clarity testify to how carelessly, frivolously, and lightly some local Party organizations and local authorities treat such an important issue as the issue of freedom of religious belief. These organizations and authorities apparently do not understand that by their rude, tactless actions against believers, who represent the vast majority of the population, they inflict incalculable harm to the Soviet regime ... <...>

                  Based on the foregoing, the Central Committee decides:

                  1) prohibit the closure of churches, prayer rooms ... for reasons of non-fulfillment of administrative orders for registration, and where such closure took place - cancel immediately;

                  2) to prohibit the liquidation of prayer rooms, buildings, etc. by voting at meetings with the participation of unbelievers or outsiders to the group of believers that has concluded a contract for a room or building;

                  3) to forbid the liquidation of prayer rooms, buildings, etc. for non-payment of taxes, since such liquidation was not allowed in strict accordance with the NKYU instruction of 1918 P. II;

                  4) prohibit arrests of a "religious nature", since they are not connected with the brightly counter-revolutionary actions of "church ministers" and believers;

                  5) when leasing premises to religious societies and determining rates, strictly observe the resolution of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee dated 29 / III-23; <...>

                  7) lay the responsibility for enforcing this directive on the secretaries of the province committees, regional committees, regional bureau, national central committees and regional committees personally.

                  Secretary of the Central Committee I. Stalin. "
              5. s1н7т
                s1н7т 9 November 2012 12: 38
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Orthodoxy is the pillar of Russia

                Manic delirium, pi-pez! ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 21
                  -2
                  Quote: c1n7
                  niacal nonsense, pi-pez!

                  Bullshit is what you write, but you cannot refute more than one fact of mine hi
              6. Karish
                Karish 9 November 2012 19: 48
                -5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                With whose money did he stir up the revolution? The destruction of the Churches, the mass destruction of priests, the attempt to destroy Orthodoxy - the pillar of Russia, the red terror, the taking of hostages, the total destruction of Russia. This is only a fraction of his crimes. So who is he?

                Those. , your beloved Stalin stood at that time on the sidelines and peacefully smoked his pipe.? Lenin and Stralin - one field of a berry. Both have stolen such a country, still cannot recover.
            2. baskoy
              baskoy 9 November 2012 08: 42
              0
              Why justify? For this you need to think a little. And if the "pizza" on the ears is a pleasure, it is easier to sprinkle with rotten stamps!
          2. gas
            gas 9 November 2012 08: 15
            +7
            Trotsky was not Lenin's "friend", teach people before you throw mud at history!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 32
              0
              Quote: gaz
              Trotsky was not Lenin's "friend"

              Come on, bring the facts, and that simple blah blah blah doesn’t roll here. Give a fact.
              1. v53993
                v53993 9 November 2012 10: 11
                +4
                blah blah blah

                Alexander, this is an echo.
              2. Karish
                Karish 9 November 2012 23: 14
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Come on, bring the facts, and that simple blah blah blah doesn’t roll here. Give a fact.

                give the fact that he was
                At the Second Congress of the RSDLP, Trotsky supported Lenin’s platform on the assimilation of Jews, and on the rejection of the autonomy of the Jewish Bund party within Social Democracy. However, during his second emigration, Trotsky did not support the Leninist policy of separating the Bolshevik fraction from the RSDLP; in 1911-1912, both politicians actually exchanged mutual abuse. In the period 1917-1921, Lenin and Trotsky came to the conclusion that their views coincided at that moment, and made up a bloc in which relations, in the words of Stalin's personal secretary, B. G. Bazhanov, were ideal. During the period of revolution and the Civil War, Lenin and Trotsky actually turned into the first persons of the state. The first serious disagreements occurred during the discussion about the trade unions of 1920-1921. At the end of 1922, Lenin, according to Trotsky, invited him to draw up a bloc on the basis of the fight against bureaucracy, but soon Lenin retired due to a serious illness, and in 1924 he died.

                there were different periods. T Stalin and Trotsky lived in peace at a certain time. All these komunyaki, they are like spiders, guzzle each other one by one, how they get into one jar - so they start to eat each other.
            2. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 10: 26
              +5
              Trotsky has always been his rival ...
              1. ded
                ded 9 November 2012 12: 51
                +3
                Trotsky has always been his rival


                This is the case when those who do not like English - sex can rejoice - Lenin (a German spy or agent of influence - who lived and worked on German money) replayed Trotsky (British spy - who lived and worked on English money). According to the law now adopted in Russia, this "sweet couple" should be calledFOREIGN AGENT"
                1. Karish
                  Karish 9 November 2012 23: 19
                  0
                  Quote: ded
                  According to the law now adopted in Russia, this "sweet couple" should be called "FOREIGN AGENT"

                  Stalin participated and organized a huge number of EXIs - in a normal language - robberies of banks, industrialists, etc. - for the needs of the party., often with the victims of completely innocent people.
                  In Russia, according to U, K, this is called an organized robbery, which entailed human casualties. An article before a life sentence .---, and in Russian - Stalin is a bandit and a robber. wassat
                  All this is a gang of freaks, for the sake of * a better life * who put a certain number of people, that they are not enough to shoot. And people still go for it stuffed in the mausoleum
            3. Fox 070
              Fox 070 9 November 2012 13: 37
              +2
              Quote: gaz
              Trotsky was not Lenin's "friend"

              I won’t say anything about friendship, but I was an ally.

              Quote: gaz
              before people mud water to teach a story!

              I can offer you the same thing.
        2. ded
          ded 9 November 2012 12: 28
          +2
          He did state


          "Did" - in the sense of raped? then I agree with you. It was Lenin and company that cut Russia into 15 republics and about a hundred autonomous regions. If earlier there was one owner, then in the 90s they became like uncut dogs. How it ended - we know!
        3. homosum20
          homosum20 9 November 2012 19: 31
          0
          he created a poverty-stricken, agrarian state, torn apart by civil war and contradictions. Created by betrayal of national interests, loss of a significant part of the country (Brest Peace), loss of gold and foreign exchange reserves, etc. The word "shoot" in his writings occurs more often than in any of his followers. His inability to build a hierarchy of relations forced Stalin to destroy a significant part of the Bolshevik elite.
          A man without education, without conscience, fidelity.
          Madman burned by his own madness
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 13
        -5
        There are NO facts, one cons laughing
        1. Oboz
          Oboz 9 November 2012 08: 50
          +4
          Alexander Romanov
          "There are NO facts, only cons"

          Sir, when will you bring the facts?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 10: 07
            0
            Quote: Oboz

            Sir, when will you bring the facts?

            I brought so many facts to you in a previous article and uploaded new ones up there, got tired of reprinting articles and documents, and not one of you brought a single refutation. At least in the eyes ..... all of God's dew.
        2. sapulid
          sapulid 9 November 2012 11: 33
          -5
          Sorry, minuses, I didn't, but I was shocked by the discussion on the topic "It's better, cannibal or ghoul" ..
          Speaking of Lenin or Stalin, their role in history cannot be denied. But, that of one, that of the second, his hands are elbow in blood.
          We must not forget that before building, these personalities dared everything to the ground, their ideas became the cause of millions of deaths, broken destinies, impoverishment and the looting of Russia ....
      3. Oboz
        Oboz 9 November 2012 12: 31
        -2
        Ar
        "No, not his, it is Stalin's merit, not Lenin's."

        A banal substitution of concepts and a play on words.
        1. sapulid
          sapulid 9 November 2012 13: 54
          -2
          "Red Terror" not "bald" merit? You, by any chance, did not disdain the writings of a "burp syphilitic"? Do not be afraid, the infection has already been formalized! :)
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 24
            -1
            Quote: sapulid
            You, by the way, did not disdain the compositions of the "burnt syphilitic"

            Well, why I didn’t call him that, well, to the point, there’s nothing to add
      4. s1н7т
        s1н7т 9 November 2012 12: 34
        +1
        No words, only cons laughing Would read the story at your leisure!
    2. urzul
      urzul 9 November 2012 10: 10
      0
      The problems of 90's also inherited, the collapse occurred in more than one year.
      He indicated which way we needed to move!
      But we did not want to go there.
      1. alexng
        alexng 9 November 2012 10: 16
        +1
        I found a joke on this topic:
        The program "Communism is our goal!" performed an illegal operation and will be closed. In case of repeated error, contact the developer.
        1. sapulid
          sapulid 9 November 2012 13: 57
          -2
          It would be good if the people's memory cannot be erased at the same time. "Bald canned food" won't answer :)
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 13 November 2012 00: 23
          0
          No jokes: in our unit near the headquarters 2 streamers hung, one after the other: Our goal is communism and with each rocket - at the target! laughing
    3. Ross
      Ross 10 November 2012 01: 47
      +1
      mar.tira,
      Duck socialism was built by Stalin, not Lenin and Trotsky! Those in their heads had one permanent World Revolution! They were planning to build Russian blood for the sponsors of the New World Order and not socialism.
    4. homosum20
      homosum20 12 November 2012 18: 20
      0
      How nice to be naive. How simple is their world.
  3. Normal
    Normal 9 November 2012 07: 19
    +7
    Lenin is not "bad" or "good" Lenin is simply Great. But without mentioning Trotsky's role, something is missing.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 07: 50
      -2
      Quote: Normal
      . But without mentioning the role of Trotsky, something is missing.

      A complete picture of betrayal !!!
      1. gas
        gas 9 November 2012 08: 14
        +10
        So much hate!))) Great people don’t hate - they just make history! Therefore, Lenin the Great, and you are just Alexander Romanov!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 35
          -2
          Quote: gaz
          Great people do not hate - they just make history!

          American presidents are also making history today. You are right about the greats, but Lenin the Traitor has nothing to do with the greats at all. You do not give facts, but only minus and expose empty posts that do not carry information.
          Quote: gaz
          Therefore, Lenin the Great, and you are just Alexander Romanov

          Better to be a simple peasant than a Great Traitor!
        2. volcano
          volcano 9 November 2012 09: 53
          +2
          Quote: gaz
          So much hate!))) Great people don’t hate - they just make history! Therefore Lenin the Great


          I remembered another joke about the great Lenin ...

          Lenin once said that he married Krupskaya only because she was the only woman who understood Marx .....
          I laughed for a long time ...... He generally has a mess with his head ...
          And you say great .....

          By the way, I understand perfectly well that people praising Lenin will never agree with any fact where Lenin will say this ... Bad ....
          I understand and accept .....
          You are one of those people who say something like this .... all that is said good about Lenin is true, all that is said bad is lies and slander .....
          Well, actually, for God's sake ......
          it’s just sometimes funny for me from such positions .... We all draw our information from the Internet and the media ..... Few people can get to the archives and see the source ... 7And if these are foreign archives, then even more so ... . But with all this, such as you do not comply with the rules of the game ..... What you find on the Internet and the media you .... you consider as the absolute truth, the same as your opponents find there ..... you you think dirty insinuations ....... That is, you and your like-minded people knowingly violate the rules of both the dispute and the discussion ... so there is no point in proving something to you ....

          Here Romanov brings you material ... in which it is written in black in Russian about who Lenin is and where his legs grow from .... but apparently you again think this is all a lie and a lie .....
          how to defend people their point of view .....
          It turns out that Lenin is good ...... because the perpendicular ... and that's it ....
          But the story is far from so simple .... and the Bolsheviks came to power ... and the events that followed all this very clearly make it clear that there is no smoke without fire ..... But we don’t want to think .... and think in categories I am ALWAYS RIGHT
          It is not productive ......
          History needs to be studied ... and no matter what it is .... you like it or not ..... It has already taken place .... and our task is to carefully study the events and get some kind of lesson ....
          That's all....
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 10: 29
            +2
            Personally, I don’t chant Lenin, I just admit the degree of his greatness - he really changed the country and changed the world!
            The rubbish that Romanov brings has nothing to do with the facts ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 12: 02
              0
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              The rubbish that Romanov brings has nothing to do with the facts.

              You, that the document is not a fake, you do not accept a different point of view, even if such is based on indisputable evidence hi
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 9 November 2012 12: 58
                -1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                not indisputable

                Eh, your oberfobegiperpuper General Field Marshal, but who can even argue your "facts".
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 28
                  +3
                  Quote: revnagan
                  Eh, your oberfobegiperpuper Field Marshal General, but who can argue your "facts"

                  Listen dear, I’m not bringing my speculation to you, but reprinting articles from open sources. I do not ask you to refute or agree with me - all people are different, but I ask you to refute the facts I have provided and no more. You cannot and cannot even do this, even if you really want to !!!
                  1. revnagan
                    revnagan 9 November 2012 19: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I’m retyping articles from open sources.

                    I thought that our society had been ill with this disease back in the 90s. "Articles from open sources." And is this in your Facts? Is everything written about in newspapers and articles, is it all facts? Correctly designed provocative stuffing, with links to the alleged trusted sources, memoirs of emigrants, memoirs are in your opinion facts? Well, you made fun of them - "facts". wink
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    but I ask you to refute the facts I have provided and no more.

                    The information given by you can be considered facts only on the basis that you claim that it (infa) is from open sources, well, I just can't. Only legally confirmed documents can be considered facts. And your "facts" ... I am tormented by vague doubts about their veracity Well, your hatred of Lenin and kicking of the past are also just emotions.
                    PS Well, what about the receipts? Where are the "facts"? Real, not sucked out of ... a finger?
            2. homosum20
              homosum20 12 November 2012 18: 25
              0
              Hitler also really changed.
    2. sapulid
      sapulid 9 November 2012 11: 54
      -2
      Excuse me, how was he exalted? Led a "palace coup"? Won with the help of "red terror" (including against peasants and workers) unleashed by him the same Civil? Promised land to the peasants, and factories to the workers? Governance of the country by the people? What has been done from this? The peasants were herded into collective farms and their passports were taken away, having introduced a residence permit in the country, thereby reincorporating "serfdom." The country, with its factories, fvabriks, etc., was at the mercy of new feudal lords, who emerged from the ranks of a handful of crooks who had seized power. So far, no one has repeated as much as he did in Russia. Grishka Otrepiev is his pathetic likeness. Let this "Judas" lie on public display, so that children know by sight the greatest villain in the history of Russia. It's a pity, there are no more False Myriyevs, "Humpbacked", "Alkasha" and other nits of our history next to him ...
  4. volcano
    volcano 9 November 2012 07: 33
    -3
    Lenin?

    I think Lenin is a scary person.

    And by the way, the conflict between Stalin and Lenin, Trotsky and their associates, all the same, suggests that Lenin wanted something else.

    Considering that Stalin created the Great Country, and recent materials and investigations suggest that Stalin was far from being as bloody as he is credited with, it follows from the laws of logic that we can conclude that Lenin did not want Great and Strong Russia.

    Yes, and I recall Lenin's words "I don't give a damn about Russia, the fire of the WORLD REVOLUTION is important to me" ... well, something like this ... I think that this strongly characterizes him.
    YES, and about the lack of ties with the Germans .... the author is clearly disingenuous .... The German archives say the opposite .... it's probably silly to suspect that the Germans were persuaded to create falsifications, some sort of Russian ill-wishers of Lenin.

    And the support of millions is generally nonsense .... the author probably knows the history of the revolution from Soviet textbooks ... you read them and it seems that the whole country has revolted at once, but in reality. 7 only in Petrograd there was a seizure of power, and the seizure of power throughout the country took several years .... And while the Bolsheviks did not come to the city, the local population and had no idea that it had been fighting for a long time against the oppression of the landlords and the rich ....
    No need to rave and embellish .....

    But Lenin is actually generally a rather weak figure .... Trotsky did almost everything, and our kartavenky only managed to seize the reins of government by cunning ... and even then not for long ....
    So in this case, many thanks to Stalin, who drained all this Kodlu, which is very smeared with ties to Germans, Jews, and American financial elites.

    By the way, about the pearl about KUHARKA and the STATE, probably everyone remembers?
    How can you relate to a person after such a thing ... These are the words of a FOOTH, not a politician
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 07: 44
      +2
      Quote: volkan
      These are the words of a FOOTH, not a politician

      I completely agree with you, the author simply lies and consciously says that Lenin has no connection with the Germans, and who delivered this traitor in Russia and for what purposes. One lie and an attempt to pass off black as white.
      1. gas
        gas 9 November 2012 08: 13
        +1
        Do you have any evidence?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 23
          +3
          There are a lot of them, you can search for yourself, if you of course have a desire. The documents are declassified. The Berlin newspaper Forverst published the following: “it is known, and it was only recently reaffirmed by General Hoffmann, that the Kaiser's government, at the request of the German General Staff, allowed Lenin and his comrades to travel through Germany to Russia in sealed saloon cars. so that they could conduct their agitation in Russia.Lenin and his comrades received from the Kaiser's government huge sums of money to conduct their destructive propaganda.I found out about this back in December 1917. Through a friend of mine I asked a certain person about it, who thanks the position it held should have been aware of whether this was true. And I received an affirmative answer. But then I could not find out how large these sums of money were and who was or who were the mediators or intermediaries (between the Kaiser's government and Lenin) ... Now I have absolutely reliably found out that it was a very large, almost incredible amount, undoubtedly more than fifty million golden mar ok, about such a huge amount that Lenin and his comrades could not have any doubts about the sources from which this money came. One of the results of this was the Brest-Litovsk Treaty. General Hoffman, who negotiated there with Trotsky and other members of the Bolshevik delegation about peace, in a twofold sense held the Bolsheviks in his hands and he made them feel this strongly ... Only when the Bolsheviks began to receive a constant influx of funds from us through various channels and under various labels, they became able to put their main organ, Pravda, on its feet, conduct vigorous propaganda and significantly expand the initially narrow basis of their party. It is entirely in our interests to use the period while they are in power, which may be short, in order to achieve first of all an armistice, and then, if possible, peace. The conclusion of a separate peace would mean the achievement of the desired military goal, namely, the break between Russia and its allies ... "It is known that Parvus, through Radek in Stockholm, asked Kuzmich to consider his candidacy in the government. After the subsequent refusal, Parvus expressed threats, which would make public the irrefutable evidence of the spy activities of the Bolshevik Party leadership against their own state.
          Another source of money from the German government directly to "Kuzmich" should be attributed to Karl Moor. He is a highly paid agent for Berlin. (The pseudonym "Bayer", aka "Turner"). Moor carried out parallel work from Parvus on the part of the German General Staff and at the same time supervised the activities of the Parvus group. In September 1917, Moore expressed a desire to transfer a large sum of money to the Central Committee, hoping to gain confidence in the top leadership of the party and government. Initially, the origin of the money raised doubts, and later, after the October events, despite the doubtful origin of Moore's money, they were accepted and he still regularly informs Berlin about the situation in the Central Committee and the government. In fact, we have an impudent and unashamed Berlin agent who enjoys the patronage of "Kuzmich" and other members of the government.
          CHAIRMAN OF THE STATE POLITICAL DEPARTMENT AT THE NKVD RSFSR: (DZERZHINSKY)
          "Kuzmich" aka Lenin !!!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 9 November 2012 09: 58
            -3
            Romanov, they’ll mold your cons! Although the facts cited by you have a place to be! Well, Lenin could not have inflated all this without money and with bare enthusiasm! It's as clear as day! Minus sculpt for the facts? Or we forum users are complete utopians and do not believe in what they do not want to believe!
            So I’ll say more - the famous writer Marietta Shaginyan claims that Lenin is also gay! More precisely, bisexual, which is the same for me. Antonioni made a film about the great homosexuals, and Lenin has a special chapter in it. So minus the Leninists, but you will know the truth - not only a bandit, but a gay bandit plunged you into a bloody bathhouse! How do you like it?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 10: 15
              +2
              Quote: aksakal
              Romanov, they’ll mold your cons!

              Yes, let them sculpt. I have a lot of friends compensate. When there are no facts from anger and powerlessness, they put the minuses and that's it. In the last article, I translated the facts to them and in response to more than one refutation at all. There is an ideal to which they worship, but they just have no desire to sit and read documents, and even if they stumble upon them , they say fake right there. People are like that request
              Quote: aksakal
              . So minus the Leninists, but you will know the truth - not only a bandit, but a gay bandit plunged you into a bloody bathhouse! How do you like it?

              Aksakal, one of my pluses will overwhelm all their minuses, so do not worry wink About a gangster and a gay, well, so a man came from geiropa to do a revolution. Today they go to the swamp too.
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 9 November 2012 10: 20
              +3
              Quote: aksakal
              So I’ll say more - the famous writer Marietta Shaginyan claims that Lenin is also gay!

              And Marietta Shaginyan is a lesbian. What was she holding a candle?
            3. vlbelugin
              vlbelugin 9 November 2012 13: 51
              +1
              aksakal
              that Lenin is also gay
              Right And Armand is a man in disguise.
              Come to the mirror and look maybe you have a cleft instead of a shoot.
          2. revnagan
            revnagan 9 November 2012 10: 34
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There are a lot of them, you can search for yourself, if you of course have a desire. The documents are declassified. .The Berlin newspaper Forverst published

            Well, what’s the fact, you, the namesake of the last tsar-loser? That the German newspaper printed all this? You are constantly replacing concepts. The German newspaper printed something there, it can be a fact. But was it in real life an event about which journalists sprinkled in pursuit of sensation? Please, receipts of Lenin, Parvus and everyone else who took German money for the Russian revolution, in the studio. And take the trouble to attach the positive conclusions of the graphologists. And so far, drive the blizzard.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 12: 07
              -1
              Quote: revnagan
              Well, what’s the fact, you, the namesake of the last loser king?

              Proud of it!!!
              Quote: revnagan
              ? The fact that all this was printed by a German newspaper

              This is an excerpt from the report of Dzerzhinsky to Stalin !!!
              Quote: revnagan
              Please, the receipts of Lenin, Parvus and everyone else who took German money for the Russian revolution, in the studio. And take the trouble to attach the positive conclusions of the graphologists. And so far, drive the blizzard.

              Well, get the same thing, get a refutation that there wasn’t one. Now there’s no time, I’ll come in a couple of hours and lay out reports to Stalin about who such a Lenin is !!!
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 9 November 2012 13: 09
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                This is an excerpt from the report of Dzerzhinsky to Stalin !!!

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, get the same thing, get a rebuttal that this was not.

                I doubt that the information given in the German newspaper is true and "facts". In this situation, your demands for a refutation on my part looks simply ridiculous. You claim that "facts" with the transfer of large sums from hand to hand were, prove eto.Well, I doubt it. Show the receipts, or millions from the state bank of Germany were transferred "on parole"? Something does not fit with German pedantry.
                Further, you rest on excerpts from the memorandum of Dzerzhinsky to Stalin. Original to the studio. With signatures. And the conclusion of the graphologist.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                This is an excerpt from the report of Dzerzhinsky to Stalin !!!

                I repeat, you declare this only on the basis of a lousy article? Pzhalst facts, only real.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 37
                  0
                  [Catch Dzerzhinsky’s report to Stalin from declassified, read and enjoy, I’ll give a large part of the note, if I’m interested, I’ll give the restNKVD of the RSFSR
                  GPU
                  № 14270

                  25th of December 1922
                  SECRETARY OF THE CENTRAL CPSU (B.)
                  Secretary of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.)
                  comrade I.V. STALIN

                  It is known that "Kuzmich" (one of the party nicknames of Lenin - Ed.) Was actually recruited by the representative of the German General Staff (in 1915) GELFAND Alexander Lazarevich (aka PARVUS, aka Alexander Moskvich), born in the family of a Jewish craftsman in the town Berezino, Minsk province. He studied in Odessa, graduated from the University of Basel. Ph.D.

                  Parvus met with "Kuzmich" in May 1915 and completed all formalities in writing. In order for "Kuzmich" to receive money, a receipt, an autobiography was written, a cooperation subscription was given, and the pseudonym "zershtorenmann" was assigned. All meetings organized by Parvus with "Kuzmich" were of a conspiratorial and secret nature. Parvus was in the service of the German Foreign Office and held a post in the General Staff. He was a member of the family of the German Chancellor Bethmann-Hollweg, was an assistant to Erich Ludendorff (the military brain of Germany). Ludendorff described in his book about the collaboration of the Bolshevik leaders with the German government. Now Ludendorff declares that the Bolshevik government "exists by our grace."

                  It is known that Parvus, through dummies and personally, transferred to "Kuzmich" large sums of money about the spending of which he did not inform the Central Committee and close comrades.

                  Handy to Parvus was Yakov Stanislavovich FURSTENBERG (aka Borel, GANETSKY, Gendrichek, Francishek, Cuba, Keller) formerly. Member of the Polish Socialist dem. party, delegate to the II, IV, VI congresses of the RSDLP, member of the Central Committee and the Foreign Bureau of the Central Committee, personal treasurer of "Kuzmich" since 1915. He was Parvus's confidant in financial affairs, a paid agent of the General Staff of Germany, under the pseudonym "Mirian".

                  The recruitment operation by Parvus was carefully prepared over the years, from 1906-1907. For contacts, Parvus sent Hanecki to Copenhagen. Despite the clandestine arrangement of the meetings and giving them a secret character, "Kuzmich", however, blabbed about this to Inessa Armand, during a vacation in Serenberg, in May 1915. “Kuzmich” said that in order to receive money he had to make political concessions to the German authorities.

                  Catherine Gorman also testifies that she came to Switzerland with Parvus and Ganetskiy. They were housed in one of the luxurious and expensive hotels and through it Parvus distributed about 20 million German marks among the needy Russian emigrants, among whom, in addition to the designated ones, were Trotsky, Bukharin and others. She knew Parvus’s connections with the German government, which required a report for using money. Therefore, Parvus always took receipts from those who were given money.
                  1. revnagan
                    revnagan 9 November 2012 19: 56
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Parvus met with "Kuzmich" in May 1915 and completed all formalities in writing. In order for "Kuzmich" to receive money, a receipt, an autobiography was written, a cooperation subscription was given, and the pseudonym "zershtorenmann" was assigned.

                    Well, give here the above-mentioned documents. Well, what should you. Otherwise, as in the protocol, "it is written correctly from my words." And at the trial, the refusal-words are words. I'm talking about documents. Here you refer to them, but .. "was there a boy." I don’t believe in words. Photocopies of documents, certified legally, will convince me.
            2. volcano
              volcano 9 November 2012 20: 12
              +2
              Quote: revnagan
              And take the trouble to apply the positive conclusions of graphologists


              Dear Colleague, could you also attach the conclusions of graphologists about, say ... such a document as the abdication of Nicholas 2?

              I think it will be very difficult ....
          3. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 10: 40
            +1
            In fact, this is all a lie - there were no huge sums, no one would give that kind of money, no need to keep the Germans for fools! The budget was very modest, if you are so interested ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 14: 42
              0
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              Actually, this is all a lie - there were no huge sums, no one would give that kind of money, no need to keep the Germans for fools

              Prove that it was not or weak?

              Quote: Brother Sarich
              Actually, this is all a lie - there were no huge sums, no one would give that kind of money, no need to keep the Germans for fools

              Well, bring a refutation, and not just blah la. The Germans are not stupid and did everything for the collapse of Russia and their corrupt six helped them in this .. Other facts to cite, easy to see and not a little !!!
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 22: 04
                -2
                Somewhere an estimate was given of exactly what funds were spent by the Germans on this whole thing - if memory serves, it was several hundred marks, someone from the transported was still indignant that they say mere pennies of "business trip" ...
                Nobody would spend big money on such a small and not very authoritative group of people - there are no such fools!
            2. volcano
              volcano 9 November 2012 20: 14
              0
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              In fact, this is all a lie - there were no huge sums, no one would give that kind of money, no need to keep the Germans for fools! The budget was very modest, if you are so interested ...


              Here you know exactly how it was.

              Can you be simpler?
              Without narcissistic peremptory statements?

              Did you make a budget? wink

              Or able to cite the facts .....?
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 22: 05
                +1
                I cannot be “simpler” - what I don’t know, I don’t speak or write ...
                1. volcano
                  volcano 10 November 2012 00: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Brother Sarich
                  I cannot be “simpler” - what I don’t know, I don’t speak or write ..


                  so why are you nice people think that you know the TRUTH, and the rest are nonsense?

                  And the pearl about the budget pleased me ....... I thought that no sane person could even imagine that somewhere there would be a document in which it would be written ...... Give Lenin an armed coup! 0 million stamps ... All signature .... Bismarck .....
                  Why are you kidding me?

                  It’s the same that Udaltsov will be given an estimate for the Orange Revolution signed by Obama .....

                  Such "behind-the-scenes funding" remains hidden from people forever ... and is reflected, at best, somewhere in the notebook of some special person ...

                  it is also naive to believe that somewhere there may be a receipt of Lenin, saying that yes ..... he took the money for the coup ....
                  Well, this is ridiculous .... such if it was, then after coming to power it was destroyed by Lenin himself, well, or by his wife eaten under compote ....

                  So expecting people talking about Lenin’s connection with the Germans to put these documents out like that is silly ... and you yourself know that it’s even impossible in principle ...
                  Here you need to include a thought ...
                  Lenin lived elegantly in Switzerland ... fact? fact
                  Lenin's associates printed a newspaper and campaign materials .. fact? fact
                  The Bolsheviks lived well in Switzerland .... there they are still remembered .... where and how they got drunk and rested ... this is also a fact ...
                  Among the Russian patrons something was not ...
                  Where does Zin come from?
                  During the war, they were transported to Russia in a sealed carriage ... fact? fact
                  And with what fright the Germans must so carefully carry the citizens of the country with which they are fighting in their own and other countries? It seems Russian enemies however ....
                  Who and how took Winter? Already clearly not a drunken sailor from Aurora
                  Why did so many revolutions happen in Russia so quickly?
                  But did Nicholas refuse to reign .... Have you personally seen the abdication of Nicholas?
                  So I don’t ... and I’m unlikely to see .... But the Leninists do not say anything about this, and I read the research of a man who managed to see the original Renunciation ...
                  So he claims that he doubts the veracity of the document, because the signature was made by putting ink on the pencil .... I think you know what they do when faking someone’s signature ... First, they draw a pencil around the glass, and then the pencil is already circled with a pen ....

                  And that .... here’s one info ...... here’s another ..... I don’t state unconditionally that it was just that ... I just assume that it WAS POSSIBLE
                  You, especially in this topic ... just deny all the information, except for your own, taken from the textbooks of the USSR .....
                  Why was Lenin in such close contact with Parvus?
                  Why did Stalin so zealously begin to exterminate the Lenin Guard, which in combination was also a Jew?

                  These are all the questions for which there are no answers .... Rather, they can be answered only in one way ... But Lenin’s supporters really do not like this .......

                  So do not be in such slippery topics .. so confidently declare WHAT YOU KNOW
                  This is a very bold statement, which in fact will prove to be unsubstantiated.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 10 November 2012 09: 16
                    +2
                    Yes, that’s exactly what I know, how much more I know!
                    Is it worth YOU to demonstrate your ignorance?
                    Lenin lived luxuriously abroad? Are you serious? Have you tried to find out more precisely about the so-called "Leninist places" abroad? He lived there modestly, extremely modestly, because there was never any special money ...
                    Was there no patrons among the Russians? Again a delusion, what other patrons there were!
                    Stalin exterminated the Lenin Guard? "Lenin Guard" exists in your imagination - there were many trends, almost every participant in those events had tough disagreements with each other! A fierce factional struggle was constantly going on, and its result was the "elimination" of rivals ...
                    Honestly - I'm just bastard, reading pearls on the branches about VOSR!
                    Then you wrote that you need to be easier? Well, no, you need to peck the ignoramus as much as you have the strength! To bring the light of truth to the masses, so to speak!
                    And do not care that they will deprive of almost a thousand points per night - we’ll overcome nonsense, we have already chosen from the gray epaulets more than once, not like the general’s ...
          4. Oboz
            Oboz 9 November 2012 11: 25
            +2
            Refer to AIDS info too.
        2. Vlaleks48
          Vlaleks48 9 November 2012 12: 03
          -3
          gaz
          Do you have evidence?
          Type in the network - "Parvus and his relationship to Ulyanov!"
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 9 November 2012 13: 11
            0
            Quote: Vlaleks48
            Type in the network - "Parvus and his relationship to Ulyanov!"

            Yeah, the networks I saw a movie with living dinosaurs. And cho?
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 10: 37
        +5
        Got stupid! Yes, the Germans contributed to the movement of Lenin with a group of associates through controlled territory - and so what? Lenin did not promise them anything, because he could not promise anything - at the time of the move, Lenin was nobody and was called in no way! Can you still say that when the fire of the revolution spread to Germany itself and their empire collapsed, also almost on the eve of victory, then that was in their plans?
        1. Sanches
          Sanches 9 November 2012 14: 20
          +1
          the fact of the existence of a powerful conspiratorial network that easily overthrows the government of twentieth-century superpowers is interesting in itself. And it is obvious that the headquarters of this network (or even special services can be said) in the 10s was somewhere in Western Europe, most likely just in Germany. How much this network obeyed the Kaiser, or made it appear that it obeyed, is a question, but it is obvious that for such a network even the Kaiser was just a pawn
        2. volcano
          volcano 9 November 2012 20: 15
          0
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          Got stupid! Yes, the Germans contributed to the movement of Lenin with a group of associates through controlled territory - and so what? Lenin did not promise them anything, because he could not promise anything - at the time of the move, Lenin was nobody and was called in no way! Can you still say that when the fire of the revolution spread to Germany itself and their empire collapsed, also almost on the eve of victory, then that was in their plans?


          See above.......

          He sat in the carriage and heard that Lenin did not promise anything?
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 21: 59
            0
            He simply could not promise anything - to whom was he needed with his miserable group of associates, moreover, his associates to a large extent nominal?
            Nobody would take him seriously, so that and to whomsoever he promises, what is easier?
            The Germans transported Lenin, Trotsky - the allies, probably, dozens even hundreds of groups were delivered, they did not have any special hopes, only a few became known ...
    2. ekebastus
      ekebastus 9 November 2012 08: 02
      +16
      Lenin did not say that. And he said this: “We are not Utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not capable of immediately taking control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to rule the state, to carry on the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from rich families are taken officials. We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training. ”
    3. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 10: 33
      +6
      Firstly, the words about the cook are taken out of context ...
      Secondly, many cooks will give a hundred points ahead of most "effective managers" ...
      Somehow in this there is a feeling of hatred for their own people, they say, what to expect from these sivolads, or it is we, "educated" gentlemen, although it is somehow forgotten that these sivolaps were still your closest ancestors! Not this way? Or will you start listing counts in the family tree?
      1. volcano
        volcano 9 November 2012 12: 23
        -1
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        Secondly, many cooks will give a hundred points ahead of most "effective managers"


        Do not introduce at least one such cook? wink

        She’s a cook, and that’s the cook, that her concerns are pots and pans ..... And if she’s concerned about something else, then this is not a cook at all


        And about the hatred of their own people .... Hmm .... Where did you get that from? Are you thinking for me?

        I don’t even hate the zealous Communists ...... Why do you actually hate you? For your faith? Even if in my opinion it’s wrong .... Well, this is my opinion .....
        You may not be able to understand my position ...... This is basically normal ...

        I DO NOT AWARE from the fact that ignored facts are saying the opposite ..... BUT the facts are talking about the Germans' permissible connection with Lenin, because in reality it is no worse and no worse than those who say that there was no such connection ..... .

        And writing just this is nonsense .... Lenin had nothing to do with them ..... Or even cooler LENIN THE GREAT LEADER ......
        Well, I doubt it .... and I ask you to justify this position ..... After all, is it worth it? So I'm interested in hearing these arguments ....
        But when you (not personally you and people holding these views) are asked about this, then you all begin to stupidly sculpt minuses and just scream DO NOT TOUCH LENIN THIS HOLY ..... Well, for God's sake ..... only where is the argument ?

        Well, about the counts ... as you say ...... Well, maybe there are ... So what? Will I become less Russian from this? Or will I be the worst patriot?

        And here are the counts or not counts ... in fact? It’s you yourself who take such a phrase .... and draw some kind of line visible only to you ....
        Personally, I don’t divide people by this principle
        1. Oboz
          Oboz 9 November 2012 12: 44
          -1
          Comrade Stalin from whom will it be?
          1. volcano
            volcano 9 November 2012 13: 45
            +1
            Quote: Oboz

            Comrade Stalin from whom will it be?


            Is it just what to write or what?
            What is the question and with what hint?
          2. Sanches
            Sanches 9 November 2012 14: 26
            -1
            Oboz Today, 12: 44
            Comrade Stalin from whom will it be?
            from thieves
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 15: 03
            0
            Quote: Oboz
            Stalin ovary from whom will it be?

            Such a nice comment, a short one carrying a sea of ​​refutation of the previous one. You have your own point of view, if so, write it down.
        2. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 21: 54
          +1
          Actually, I’m more than clear about your position, I even know why you think so! And you think so solely because of your lack of education - excuse me!
          I think that I read all the sources that you rely on in your statements, but you were not critical of them, but in vain ...
          I never claimed that Lenin was a great leader, I only claimed that he had transformed the country. and the whole world!
          Do I think that everything was done right in those years? Of course not, I just understand, or at least try to understand WHY exactly this happened, WHAT prompted these actions ...
          And they got me stupid who did not read anything and stupidly repeat what has been refuted thousands of times!
          I refused to join the CPSU at the time, I did not immediately join the Komsomol, a significant part of my relatives disappeared into civilian life, were dispossessed, torn from their homes, but this is real life, and it is as a result of the October Revolution that I live, good or bad, but everything was exactly as it was, otherwise I would simply not be there, and my parents would not be ...
          And to fight with your own past is extremely unwise, and even more so stupid ...
          The will of one person is never able to change the world, for this it is necessary that the aspirations of many coincide, and in October 1917 the aspirations of the overwhelming majority were expressed precisely by Lenin and the Bolshevik party, which was not at all a monolith, consisted of groups with different plans and interests, but this party could adapt to new aspirations, admit mistakes and transform the country ...
  5. ekebastus
    ekebastus 9 November 2012 07: 42
    +4
    Darkly observing the Leninist inheritance inherited to him, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin had every reason to be unhappy. First, like no one else, he felt robbed. In fact, he was a member of the Central Committee, a member of the very first Leninist government, who could do the dirtiest job, dangling along the fronts of the Civil War, risking being shot dead, picked up with bayonets, torn to shreds, was deceived.

    It turns out that while he was drowning knee-deep in blood, typhoid shit and sorting out along the impenetrable mud of new Byzantine intrigues, he sent trains from all over the country with gold and bread (which was sometimes more expensive than gold), all this was stolen, thrown over his back abroad, was transferred to personal accounts, to the accounts of active joint-stock companies and acquired banks. This is not to say that he knew nothing about it at all. I knew, of course. But I didn’t guess about the true scope ... The civil war ended, and millions of eyes looked at Lenin with a dumb question: when will we share the "loot", as agreed, equally? Lenin, effectively turning out empty pockets, made it clear that there was nothing to share - the damned bourgeois escaped and took everything with them to the last penny. Even the nails from the walls were pulled out and all the salt was taken out by steamers. And nothing else to say. Many, looking around, believed. Many do not, suspecting global fraud. Stalin believed because he knew that the treasury was empty like a lunar crater. NEP announced to take a breath and think. And here Lenin suddenly from the leader of the international proletariat turned into a Russian great power and began to dream not of a world revolution, but of the restoration of the Russian Empire within the borders of 1914. At first they did not believe it and the recordings of his speeches were secretly sent for a psychiatric examination - was the leader crazy? They replied that it seemed: too emotional and impulsive in statements, phrases break off, a circle of contradiction, there is no consistent meaning. But the point was. And Stalin immediately understood him. The world revolution did not work, and therefore, as Ilyich prophesied, "we died." And in order not to die, it is necessary to build a powerful state (which, according to Leninist theory, should have already died out) and it is this powerful state, as an instrument, to carry out the world revolution. Nice thing! And where to get the money for all this, if your team, Vladimir Ilyich, shoved the entire national treasure of the richest country into its pockets, which turned out to be bottomless. If your NEP is corrupting the country, turning it from a depot of the world revolution into a huge “flea market”! If your vaunted guard of the "old Bolsheviks" is mired in luxury and is already decisively not interested in anything except real estate prices and stocks in capital countries, lovingly examining the foreign passports issued to each "and a dozen different names! What Lenin lovingly called "Bolsheviks" has already degenerated into what is unknown. And how fast - in just six incomplete years!
    Source: http://lib.rus.ec/b/122397/read
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 9 November 2012 08: 35
      +3
      Quote: ekebastus
      revolution in the huge "flea market"! If your vaunted guard of the "old Bolsheviks" is mired in luxury and is already decisively not interested in anything except property prices and stocks in capital countries, lovingly examining the foreign passports issued to each "and a dozen different surnames!" What Lenin lovingly called "Bolsheviks" has already degenerated into what is unknown. And how fast - in just six incomplete years!
      - You can argue a lot on this topic, trying to understand what more is happening? - black or light? And there is no way to come to a clear conclusion. Many millions of those executed are on the one hand. A powerful state was built, in the fifties and early sixties it was the most advanced scientific and technical power in the world. Social institutions have been destroyed, almost completely intellectual elite of the country has been knocked out - on the one hand, new social institutions have been built, many of which, in particular, education and healthcare, we still use on the other hand. It is impossible to reduce everything that happened to either black or light. Solid color and halftone.
      On the last branch, with Wasserman, they argued on this topic. I clearly voiced - it says here that Lenin is not a spy. But it’s just a question - what kind of shisha did he live in Europe? and even wrote to mom - supposedly, send the younger brother-in-law here, clevering everything with money now, and this is confirmed, let Chernyakhovsky himself then answer this question. Or let Mr. Udaltsov, the current heir to the Lenin case, answer for this Chernyakhovsky. Already he knows for sure that revolutions are made on one bare enthusiasm and nothing more! The main argument of Chernyakhovsky is, supposedly, too shallow for a spy - well, for a little money he managed to break big firewood, he had to deal with a lot of firewood! The property of non-linear systems, which include social systems, is that with little effort you can achieve very impressive results. Soros with the help of a couple of billions breaks the Bank of England and becomes a multimillionaire, with the same amount breaks the financial system of Thailand, the volume of which is far from a couple of billions. The main thing here is to know the pain points and the time when they need to be affected.
      Well, and most importantly - yesterday I clearly voiced that what happened was the usual successful gang raid, then the struggle of all these parties — the usual gang fights, was won by the Lenin gang. And all those positive moments that followed the end of the showdown are a consequence of the fact that the bandits tritely saved their skin. How can you protect your skin from the customers of all this bloody mess - England and Germany? Having created a powerful state, it will protect you. An example from recent history - the ayatollahs, having thrown the customers of the coup in Iran, are still alive precisely because they saved their hide and created powerful Iran. How many more will live - a separate song, Customer - a serious guy and has long wanted to ask about this topic.
      That is why I am AGAINST ALL REVOLUTIONS! Whatever the bandits came to power. By the way, I’ll go back to that branch with Wasserman, I will go bumpy and remember the nickname of one dolber there, who wrote, like, it's time to start a new revolution in Russia. It would be nice to be interested in him ... And he grabbed the pluses.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 9 November 2012 08: 49
        +1
        Quote: aksakal
        By the way, I’ll go back to that branch with Wasserman, I will catch a bite and remember the nickname of one dolber there, who wrote, supposedly, it's time to start a new revolution in Russia. It would be nice to be interested in him ... And he grabbed the pluses.

        -surprisingly, but like a sane person - an eagle owl, here is his quote:
        "Unfortunately, it seems to me that Russia has passed the "point of no return", the change of Power will not take place in a peaceful, constitutional way. Traitors who have been in power since the mid-80s, who betrayed the interests of the State and the People for the sake of "their own pocket", will not give up power peacefully, they do not even let those close to Power who can compete with them (examples: Kvachkov - sitting , Ivashov - removed from the elections). All those who are now in power in Russia are "tied" and "cover" each other, a simple example: Serdyuk, his GDP has long been put in office, Serdyuk's career before this was provided by Testem, when almost a YEAR ago Stepashin, after checking one of the "commercial enterprises "reported to the FSB and the Prosecutor General's Office on the violation of the Law and on theft to the Ministry of Defense, no one removed anyone, and only after Serdyuk's real actions to divorce his wife did something (gigantic, a week late) done. What is "power", what are its actions, so is the attitude to this "power", to the power of traitors."- Owl, maybe there are enough revolutions? Really, Russia is a pity, there will be enough for her life. First of all, and secondly, what is your kvachkov? What is better than GDP or even Chubais? Yes, the same, only brown Chubais, and this one is red , that's the whole difference. And at the same time, both are bandits, and between them are not political differences, but banal gangster showdowns. So let him sit in prison, state problems are not solved in such ways. There is a legitimate field, there are legal ways to express their discontent - if no one comes to the sanctioned rally organized by you in defense of kvachkov - and this is exactly how it will be, will we argue that you won't get 20? And 000 people is insignificant, the Government can ignore it completely legally, - and so if few people come, it only means that your kvachkov is just an extremist and is only interesting to you, because you also adhere to extremist views. And be careful with the conclusions of pzhlt, this is not a joke
  6. ekebastus
    ekebastus 9 November 2012 07: 58
    +1
    Zinoviev, Kamenev, Bukharin, Menzhinsky, Ganetskiy, Unshlikht, Bokiy - all cannot be counted, but Stalin did not forget anyone. Even Lenin. He personally explained to Nadezhda Konstantinovna what awaits her if she does not take the money of the leader of the world proletariat from a Swiss bank. The next day everyone will forget that she was Lenin’s wife and is his widow, and will be considered the widow of the Countrywoman - the same Countrywoman who exported gold from Sevastopol with White Kun.
    Nadezhda Konstantinovna broke, she passed everything. But Zemlyachka well done. She did everything voluntarily, and reminded of Bela Kun. Oh, how he didn’t want to give money away! They beat him for three days, but they knocked everyone out to the last penny, and then shot. With all the "internationalists", who are in the illusion of complete impunity, they quickly dealt with without ceremony. They also got those who thought of serving time abroad, spending money for themselves destined for the world revolution. Only a few Americans managed to escape, but then no one even heard of them ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 08: 26
      +2
      Quote: ekebastus
      Nadezhda Konstantinovna broke, she passed everything.

      But where would it go. You can’t rob Russia with impunity. Everyone pays the bills when the time comes.
  7. VadimSt
    VadimSt 9 November 2012 08: 16
    +2
    It is said a lot and correctly.
    Here, just me, sometimes I think and try to give myself an answer:

    What could be Russia, do not let yourself be drawn into the First World War?
    Having implemented the reforms of Stolypin?
    Would this avoid revolutions?
    Would World War II take place?
    Who would dominate the world today? USA?

    Not.....! Even if everything was good, there would always be people who wanted to rock (grants, color revolutionaries, democrats, etc.).
    Our people, a rebel by vocation - give only a reason, an organizer, unthinkable promises and "in-kind or financial support."
    1. The centurion
      The centurion 9 November 2012 08: 46
      +4
      Quote: VadimSt
      Lenin was the leader of the Russian national revolution, the leader of the uprising of the Russian people against the possessing class that had lost its national roots.

      Cool said, and most importantly for some useful reminder.
  8. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 9 November 2012 08: 28
    +2
    ambiguous opinion on the article and that period, but this is history ...
  9. kopar
    kopar 9 November 2012 08: 41
    +4
    You can give a lot of opinions, but one thing is clear, Lenin was the Leader, and his energy hit over the edge.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 15: 04
      0
      Quote: copar
      , but one thing is clear, Lenin was the Leader, and his energy hit over the edge

      I agree, the energy of betrayal knows no bounds.
  10. 8 company
    8 company 9 November 2012 10: 03
    -1
    Lenin was a man who skillfully took advantage of the plight of the state and the people because of the war. He put forward false slogans about peace, land for peasants, factories for workers, and he won with this lie. Plus well-known organizational efforts, of course. Anyone could win under such slogans, they were win-win. But not all political forces were ready to lie recklessly, to behave absolutely dishonestly - the way the Bolsheviks did. As a result, they destroyed the army, surrendered the front to the Germans, sent food detachments to the villages, and the workers began to hunchback for a penny. By the way, in 1913. the average monthly wage of workers was 37 rubles and it could buy 160 kg of pork, which was sold absolutely freely, without coupons, cards, acquaintances and other "conquests" of Soviet power. During the years of building communism in the USSR, this indicator of the level of workers' income has never been surpassed.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 10: 47
      +1
      The slogans were not false, but in line with the aspirations of the people! He gave the earth, he gave the world, he tried to give, he also took the factories from the capitalists - what is the problem?
      The army completely collapsed during the EaP, food detachments, too, were not his invention, but the EaP ...
      Maybe there was such a salary in 1913, but only in 1917 everything became completely different!
      In 1985 we lived well, but in August 1991 everything changed!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 12: 12
        +5
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        The slogans were not false, but in line with the aspirations of the people!

        Slogans that meet the aspirations of the people also sound on the swamp, but everyone knows where the legs of these slogans grow from.
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        In 1985 we lived well, but in August 1991 everything changed!

        The CPSU betrayed their country, betrayed by those who had previously spoken about the victories of Marxism-Leninism. Shaika of the Licimers.
      2. volcano
        volcano 9 November 2012 20: 18
        +1
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        The slogans were not false, but in line with the aspirations of the people.


        What ancient brother are you ..... you yourself went to the people ....... you know for sure what exactly this people wanted ..... Or is there data from the Levada Center for 1917? laughing
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 9 November 2012 10: 49
      +6
      Quote: Company 8
      as the Bolsheviks did. As a result, the army collapsed, the front surrendered to the Germans, food detachments were sent to the villages,

      In, iznov for the fish pennies ... All of the above happened long before the Bolsheviks. Well, read you "order number 1." threw back their heads and did not hear anything. "The Bolsheviks destroyed ... the army ... the fleet ... food detachments ... lies" ... By God, it's not even funny. The Provisional Government could not lie, were everyone there so honest? What about the land? After all, they promised and ... forgotten? No, they just decided that the peasants are stupid and can be driven by the nose for about 50 years. In general, change the record.
      1. 8 company
        8 company 9 November 2012 11: 06
        -3
        Quote: revnagan
        "Order number 1". Suppliers were sent to the villages under the tsar.


        And what result did the "tsarist" food detachments achieve? Were you able to achieve such a famine as in the Volga region under Lenin or in half of the country under Stalin in 1932-33? It is necessary to look at the result of actions, and not at the actions themselves. A communist and a communist are a big difference. For the communists who exterminated the church and starved the peasants in the USSR, I personally will not stand up, but I respect modern Chinese communists.
    3. sapulid
      sapulid 9 November 2012 14: 04
      0
      Approved! Bold plus!
  11. Igarr
    Igarr 9 November 2012 10: 14
    +10
    I read the article, read the comments .. and .. bald.
    How can the hatred of history sprinkle so much?
    It happened before. It was and has passed.
    Was Lenin a spy, was not, was there a "bloody tsar - a great genius" - was he not?
    Specifically, how does this affect us?
    Only those lucky to be born in the USSR?
    The opinion of everyone is OPINION. Everyone. But here the hatred goes back almost 100 years ago - I do not understand. Okay there, Chubais can be hated - he is a contemporary.
    And how can one hate, say, Genghis Khan, Caligula, Bismarck, Lenin?
    ...
    Spy .... some boyish word. Spies do not become Presidents - I would like to write. But now, I think - Gorbachev - was the same. Quite the opposite.
    Lenin destroyed the old, built the new. Gorbachev - ruined the good, so that .. nothing to build.
    My opinion - there was no spy Lenin. To inform, to light - could. He could take money. It was necessary to return. But - ride the West - also rolled.
    Otherwise there would be no intervention.
    ...
    The most unprecedented luck is to get to the right time, to the right place.
    Lenin succeeded.
    But for now, I have failed.
    And all business.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 12: 15
      +2
      Quote: Igarr
      The opinion of everyone is OPINION. Everyone. But here hatred goes back almost 100 years - I don’t understand

      Yes, there is no hatred, the truth is in its upholding.
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 9 November 2012 13: 46
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, there is no hatred, the truth is in its upholding.

        Great words. Put "+". Just one remark - do not forget about them yourself in disputes on other issues. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 15: 07
          0
          Quote: Fox 070
          Only one remark - do not forget about them yourself in disputes on other issues.

          Felix, if you are now on the issue of Orthodoxy, then let's not. Firstly, this is not the topic, and secondly, you know me, I will not be hypocrite, I will say what I think hi Yes, plus I return wink
  12. hrych
    hrych 9 November 2012 11: 11
    +9
    Colleagues, do not swear! To begin with, Lenin has no relation whatsoever to the overthrow of the autocracy; all were made by members of the pro-English Masonic lodges, which were like a general defeated by cancer. The conspiracy to overthrow the tsar was led by General Alekseev, the Tsar was isolated by General Ruzsky, the king and his children were taken hostage by Lavr Karnilov, and Kolchak was the first to support the overthrow of the tsar and the creation of an interim government, as commander of the Black Sea Fleet. All these scum, one way or another thinking of themselves as Napoleon, crushing each other tried to seize power. The Bolsheviks simply picked up power by making a coup, arming the workers in St. Petersburg and using the dressed up German special forces, and in principle no one supported the interim government. Memories of people who described the movement of trucks with people in the form of sailors who were silent and did not answer the questions of others (did not know the language) were preserved. The All-Union Communist Party Bolshevik Party led by Lenin is generally not a secret right now - a group financed by Germany, but there was no such task about terrorist attacks and even more so about taking power, the main task of this group was to create a network of agitators to spread anti-war sentiment on the front and in the rear. Not for nothing in this organization all were orators. And the fact that in the end the masters of the information war outplayed those who had military units in their hands is not surprising, such a war destroyed the mighty USSR. The overthrow of the Tsar began with his isolation from communication, which was the telegraph. And renunciation is a telegraph fake. When the Bolsheviks took power, Lenin demanded to seize mail, telegraph, telephone. The next famous statement by Lenin on the importance of cinema. Lenin and Co. are the first masters of the information war, when the kinescope is stronger than guns and missiles.
    1. koksalek
      koksalek 9 November 2012 11: 36
      0
      I completely agree with the first sentence! So I thought that the discussions will spill over into the emotional srach (about the discussion of all). It is unpleasant to see that some bro on other topics do not spill water, but here it’s like blood enemies. It is not worth it to squabble among themselves. (something is not sure that the quotation fell exactly where he wanted, to Hrych)
      1. hrych
        hrych 9 November 2012 12: 01
        +6
        It is impossible to blame Lenin for the collapse of the Russian Empire, but also to praise the creation of the USSR, which lasted 70 years thanks to Stalin, who created an imperishable god from Lenin. One way or another, Lenin must be studied, first of all, as a master of the information war, in comparison with which the Brzezinski and Kisenzher are pathetic students.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 15: 09
          0
          Quote: hrych
          Lenin cannot be blamed for the collapse of the Russian Empire,

          Of course not, anyone can, but not Lenin. "Holy G" cannot be touched. She will not understand.
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 November 2012 16: 05
            +1
            Come on, Alexander, we have so much democracy and freedom of speech and Lenin can be touched, because he didn’t do anything good to the Russian people.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 16: 44
              +1
              Quote: hrych
              . he didn’t do anything good to the Russian people.

              From Lenin's order of May 1, 1919, addressed to Dzerzhinsky: "... it is necessary to put an end to priests and religion as soon as possible. Popov must be arrested as counter-revolutionaries and saboteurs, shot mercilessly and everywhere. And as much as possible. Churches are to be closed. Premises temples to seal and turn into warehouses "And in steel, such a dear grandfather ala - Chekotilo is resting. Now they will come running and say. That this was not.
              1. hrych
                hrych 9 November 2012 17: 53
                +1
                First Busirayst.
  13. aleksey
    aleksey 9 November 2012 11: 26
    -1
    and here are the facts - you live in them .. namely, whatever one may say - and entot "Great Leader and Teacher Comrade Lenin" created a state that existed .... 70 years. As much as 70! If he proclaimed the principles that millions of people were waiting for, why did it turn out to be so rotten - 70 in total? answer .. The answer is historically obvious and simple - against the background of the ancient great history of the Rus-Russian Empire, this period of time is just another Great Troubles, and this unsinkable ship (Russia) is confidently returning to its previous course.
    As the communists seized power (that is, illegally), so they took it from them in 1991. And there is no need to delve into the archives, we are all witnesses.
    That, the author again wants to pit one part of the people with another, this is already evident from the comments (in this the Communists are great professionals). Why pull out this formalized corpse again and wave it like a flag. Leave grandfather alone, but rather bury as a person ... he himself wanted it.
    1. hrych
      hrych 9 November 2012 12: 11
      +9
      Say, in 1991, the grandchildren of those who participated in the seizure of power in 1917 and who were rotten by Stalin took power, and such truncheons as Ligachev could not hold power. But what’s going on with us must be dealt with thoroughly, so that this never happens again, so we won’t leave grandfather alone, but we need to clone him, because he was placed in ziggurat for subsequent revitalization by science, in accordance with the communist religion. For cloning, I suggest using the egg of Ksenia Sobchak.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 9 November 2012 13: 04
        +2
        Cheered, old ...
        Hello to you.
        Developing a proposal for ... ovum - I make a proposal.
        Do not have an egg.
        Let the brains be taken out, but the body will remain. Young, alluring.
        Lenin’s brain is still stored at the Institute of the brain in the form of slices (or maybe I lagged behind life?).
        However, science believes that 50 (or 60, 40%) of the nerve cells involved in the activity of consciousness sits in the gastrointestinal tract ....
        then, brains to us, crystallized. The digestive tract will come down.
        We have our own brains.
        A body that is young, beckoning ... you can use it for its intended purpose.
        1. hrych
          hrych 9 November 2012 13: 28
          +1
          Hello Igarr. One of the postulates of the communist religion was: "Lenin is more alive than all the living!" Those. refers to the gods. As for the digestive tract, it’s a good idea, but I’m afraid the miasma will ruin everything, and then Ksenia is rushing about restless. Plus, the cloned baby can claim the position of King of the Jews, because Schneerson has not yet been resurrected.
        2. sapulid
          sapulid 9 November 2012 17: 09
          -1
          Add that these are the brains of a person affected by SYPHILIS! Hello to all swingers!
          1. vezunchik
            vezunchik 9 November 2012 18: 29
            +1
            The Russian intelligentsia is also distinguished by grinding gossip ...
            1. volcano
              volcano 9 November 2012 20: 21
              +2
              Quote: vezunchik
              Russian intelligentsia is distinguished by grinding gossip

              No, she is still distinguished by hatred for her own country, her people and her customs ..... she is ready to grind everything Russian and Slavic ..... she is ready to sprinkle ashes on her head and forever ask for forgiveness for (supposedly) Russian wretchedness and non-progression .. ... she always stands in an interesting pose, but in her eyes read ...... well, Western progressive people .... well, pull us miserable from the swamp of ignorance and barbarism ......

              Intelligent is worse than the enemy
              1. Fox 070
                Fox 070 9 November 2012 20: 34
                +1
                Quote: volkan
                she is still distinguished by her hatred of her own country,

                Fierce and merciless ... "+" drinks
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 9 November 2012 13: 47
      +1
      Oh, faithful Leninists of the forum do not understand you, (oh, they don’t understand).
  14. volcano
    volcano 9 November 2012 11: 56
    +1
    Honestly, laughter and only ....
    Here I am sitting ... reading a branch ..... E mine .... looking at YOUR CURRENT COMMAND, I begin to understand the difference between the concept of STATE AND COMMUNIST ...

    And even more .... your zealous rejection is nothing that says that not everything was so joyfully bright and beautiful in 17 ..... ..... Creating a real cult of a decaying corpse .... kartavenky (and God marks the assault ), a goat-bearded ghoul with comrades who flooded the country .....
    Yes, you are really strange people ...
    So I’ve never been a communist, but with great respect I respect STALIN ....
    And what about Lenin? Well, and where?
    Has he built a country? Well, what are you people ..... what country did he build then? He ruined it and filled it with blood ..... He let Finland go (with which he later had to fight to move the border away from Peter)
    He made a shameful peace with the Germans .... He did not even want to include Ukraine in the country, he introduced an idiotic NEP .... His brothers are only Jews without exception .... His brother, the Tsar's freak, crashed, but no one touched him ..... For all his "swamp" activities, they only put him in jail for prophylaxis and sent him to Siberia a couple of times, instead of putting him against the wall ...
    He fattened with homies in Switzerland, while the country fought .... He robbed the peasants .....
    What are you talking about .... Where is his greatness ..... You (the Communists) have the GREAT LEADER that cannot be taken away and I agree, BUT THIS IS STALIN and not ok Lenin .... Where does such mad fanaticism come from?
    Where is your specifics .... Where is the relationship between the industrialization of the 30s and the post-war reconstruction and Lenin ....
    Which way did he indicate? .... Well, you really are as small ....
    Why don’t you worship Parvus? He is the ideological mastermind of Lenin .....

    The whole laugh is that Lenin essentially did nothing, and to the armed coup itself is no more relevant than the same Trotsky ... and then only the blood and the ruin of the civil war ..... And then death ....
    Well, you are adults after all ....
    Well, you want to be communists .... so be them .... and you are some kind of frantic fanatics ...

    More and more I have nothing to tell you ..... At least give in to death ......

    Here I am an adult and for me this behavior of other adults is very strange ...
  15. aleksey
    aleksey 9 November 2012 12: 12
    -6
    And yet - I just convincingly want to ask readers not to fall for the provocative article splitting the people, .. this steam locomotive has been "standing on the side track" for 25 years already, and God forbid that it rust there.
    The author is cunning at the very beginning, if in the opinion of the author 48 (? !!!) percent of the population approves Comrade Lenin (the source of the survey is not indicated, ah-ah-yah is not good!), Then for the same period, spring 2012. we see that for communists loyal followers of the cause of the great leader, 14-17 (in isolated cases more) percent of the votes in elections of all levels vote. What are we, thinking one thing, doing the other ... comrade communists don’t need to make fools of people, that's enough ..
    To those comrades who want to wish the ideals of revolution and the image of a leader dear and dear (including the author), take a residence permit in one of the countries of the East (for example, China or North Korea), go there to the village, sign up for a commune, and grow rice. You will definitely be given a small portrait of one of the leaders and you will go to bed and get up with the ideals of revolution in your head .. in the name of the people and a brighter future. Only leave Russia alone ..
    1. sapulid
      sapulid 9 November 2012 17: 21
      -1
      The people are split by the Bolshevik interpretation of history. There was a mainstream lie about the starving "Baldhead" drinking carrot tea with walkers carrying a log .. How many myths? People brought up on lies do not realize that their generation was used by goat communists to achieve their goals.

      It's a shame that they used me the same way. Let it be damned all THAT CONCERNS POWER SUPPORT! In this trouble of Russia ...
  16. s1н7т
    s1н7т 9 November 2012 12: 59
    +4
    To the author +! History cannot be interpreted according to someone's interests - it must remain as it was. Otherwise, it is a lie that "effective managers" and "true statesmen" are trying to impose on us.
    1. Fox 070
      Fox 070 9 November 2012 13: 56
      0
      Quote: c1n7
      History cannot be interpreted as someone’s interests.

      Why not? A retrospective look at our past proves the opposite. Starting with the "prince" Vladimir they rewrite, especially at the "initial" stage Yaroslav the "wise" tried. This is what happened in Mother Russia - whatever "tsar" is, then "the creator of history."
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 November 2012 00: 20
        0
        Quote: Fox 070
        This is what happened in Mother Russia - whatever "tsar" is, the "creator of history".

        I, in fact, about the same. You can rewrite as you like. But - it is impossible. Historians need to be licensed laughing
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: c1n7
      To the author +! History cannot be interpreted as someone else's interest - it must remain so

      And what is the author's plus, if you yourself say that history cannot be interpreted? The author is an admirer of Lenin and his independent source cannot be called. The entire article consists of white, while black is thoroughly retouched. The author himself tries to change the historical facts, the stinging and anti-Russian actions of Lenin.
      1. sapulid
        sapulid 9 November 2012 17: 26
        +1
        I put pluses for minuses of "ideological fighters". We got them with their "quiet" cons. So it is in life, they live, they eat at our expense, but they despise us.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 9 November 2012 17: 50
          -1
          The same nonsense - but they crush the number laughing
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 9 November 2012 18: 27
        0
        Well for 20 years, your brainwashed ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 9 November 2012 19: 12
          +2
          It suggests itself: "Are you over 70 ..."
  17. tan0472
    tan0472 9 November 2012 13: 17
    +3
    Lenin is a liberalist of the early 20th century. For the sake of his ideas (as it should be in his opinion) he did EVERYTHINGthat he considered necessary (including accepting help from people who want bad Russia). He himself did not believe in the revolution in the near (for him) time (read his "works") and if it were not for the rotten government and the help of various bastards, then we would remember Lenin as well as the various Chernyshevsky-Dobrolyubovs - "that - he peed there, called for something there. " So Lenin's “greatness” is greatly exaggerated.
  18. Colonel
    Colonel 9 November 2012 14: 49
    0
    Lenin won because he felt on what it was possible to ..., guilt, to make millions. "Land for the peasants ....". Yeah.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 15: 24
      0
      Quote: colonel
      Lenin won, because he felt on what it was possible ..., Vinova, to chop millions

      At the swamp today they are trying to do the same, but people remember one grandfather who took care of ordinary people. Millions of bones lay by his "grace"
      1. sapulid
        sapulid 9 November 2012 17: 29
        -1
        Didn't understand how he could be a "grandfather" without children? Pedophile?:)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 17: 35
          0
          Quote: sapulid
          Pedophile?:

          There were somewhere images where Lenin was surrounded by children, I would not be surprised if such facts surfaced.
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 9 November 2012 18: 24
          0
          so your tongue is dry! Who gave the command to the homeless to gather in orphanages, where they were fed up without hunger for hunger, and TEACHED! Unlike the current regime. How many prominent Soviet scientists, generals and just people were saved and raised, and get a FREE education, thanks to the Soviet Government!
          And the fact that Krupskaya could not have children, then depended on nature.
          1. hrych
            hrych 9 November 2012 19: 08
            +3
            This begs the question: "Where did these street children come from? Who is to blame for the deaths of the parents of these street children?"
            1. vezunchik
              vezunchik 10 November 2012 09: 38
              0
              Once again, I advise you to read the story, and less listen to the Echo of Moscow and Freedom
              1. hrych
                hrych 10 November 2012 10: 06
                +3
                I repeat the question: "Where did these street children come from?" "Why are there so many orphans in the alleyways?" By the way, "Echo of Matzo" is silent about Lenin, but throws mud at Stalin, who, to start the revival of the state, began to kill the faithful Leninists.
          2. volcano
            volcano 9 November 2012 20: 22
            0
            Quote: vezunchik
            And the fact that Krupskaya could not have children, then depended on nature.


            I think God didn’t allow ... the spread of this filthy seed
  19. sapulid
    sapulid 9 November 2012 17: 33
    0
    Damn, really, they shut up the "red knife ... oops"? Putting pluses to the enemy of my opponent. Next, let's figure it out among ourselves ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 November 2012 17: 43
      0
      Quote: sapulid
      He put pluses to the enemy of my opponent.

      Who is the enemy?
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 9 November 2012 20: 25
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Who is the enemy?

        laughing Question questions !!! It would be interesting to read the answer !!! good laughing
        1. sapulid
          sapulid 9 November 2012 21: 34
          0
          There are many admirers of Stalin who do not love Lenin. Under Lenin, my village was completely cut out. Great-grandmother of the ball at the farm of his grandfather, therefore, I exist. Under Stalin, almost everything died out, there, but from starvation. I remember grandmother's stories about what kind of grass to eat and how to cook.

          Damn, find the difference between the two "leaders" for me!
          For me, these are two ubs .... a man who fell into power and staged the genocide of his people.

          Answer, arranged?
          1. Fox 070
            Fox 070 9 November 2012 23: 19
            +2
            Quote: sapulid
            Answer, arranged?

            Completely!
          2. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 10 November 2012 12: 36
            -1
            For
            sapulid


            If everything as you tell is really a tragedy .. but I have a question how a village can starve to death. which was cut out before that? belay
            Alexander 1958
            1. Igarr
              Igarr 10 November 2012 19: 32
              0
              Alexander 1958 ... hello.
              Questions at cha ... some ... uncomfortable ...
              the remaining ... died.
              And then ... the remaining ones - they buried everyone.
              And then ... the remaining from the remaining lagging behind - they told.
              They told - following from the remaining from the remaining remaining.
              It's that simple.
  20. aleksey
    aleksey 9 November 2012 17: 51
    -1
    frankly, it’s shocking that there are so many faithful Leninists, maybe this is a special place where they gather, hmmm .. however
    it is necessary, the utopian ideals of universal equality, freebies, godlessness, to take away and share, even if you need to kill an extra millionaire to the people, still do not give rest to many .. come to your senses.
    For these monsters, our people are not people, but the "masses" as they themselves say .. the times of terror (20s-40s) have passed, calmer times have come (50s-80s), and our Bolshevik-Leninists have created unprecedented privileges for themselves , the ruling class only in a different (perverted) form .. as soon as the opportunity arose to privatize something, where did they all go - there was only one ideological uncle Ziu with a bunch of comrades ... Poor, poor grandfather Lenin, did he think, that he would be so framed !!
    You can’t build a lasting state on the blood and bones of your people, 70 years old and everyone scattered like rats, dragging anyone to the holes that they managed to grab .. laughter and only
    Millennial Russia, based on the spiritual and moral ideals of Orthodoxy, has stood and will stand unshakable .. and all these utopian communists, liberal democrats are temporary creatures ...
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 9 November 2012 18: 21
      -3
      prvoslavov Vladimir introduced fire and a sword! Do not forget about it! Also, Peter 1 introduced Western ideals with a sword. Heads flew.
      And if it were not for the Socialist Revolution, then according to the forecasts of the West, Russia would be a backward state for 300 years. Which, however, did Yeltsin with the company!
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 9 November 2012 18: 26
        +2
        Vladimir baptized, and not "introduced Orthodoxy", and even that Christianity in Russia actually appeared earlier ...
        1. volcano
          volcano 9 November 2012 20: 23
          -2
          Quote: Brother Sarich

          Vladimir baptized, and not "introduced Orthodoxy", and even that Christianity in Russia actually appeared earlier ...


          E mine .... and you are even older than I wrote above ...... again, I probably saw everything myself ....
      2. volcano
        volcano 9 November 2012 19: 59
        +1
        Quote: vezunchik
        And if it were not for the Socialist Revolution, then according to the forecasts of the West, Russia would be a backward state for 300 years. Which, however, did Yeltsin with the company!


        ...... There is absolutely no head on my shoulders ........ these tales are for preschool children ..... when we make the head work ..... it’s not only for what it contains ......

        Include at least an elementary set of knowledge ...... What .. for 70 far from the most breakthrough years, we have covered 300 years of LAG?
        [Do not smash the garbage sir
    2. sapulid
      sapulid 9 November 2012 21: 38
      -1
      The Tatars preached Orthodoxy, but the Kalmyks, Judaism! :) Chechens - Baptists! :)
      Man, what are you smoking ?! :)
      1. Fox 070
        Fox 070 9 November 2012 23: 22
        0
        Quote: sapulid
        Man, what are you smoking ?! :)

        Man, be a little more restrained and it will be more pleasant to communicate with you. feel
  21. homosum20
    homosum20 9 November 2012 18: 42
    -1
    Feel hi in jo.e
    A cook cannot rule the state.
    Only a brain affected by syphilis could come up with this. This must be heard, with what relish the Parisian guide talks about a black prostitute, whom Ilyich visited every week.
    I won not Ulyanov (family of losers). Germany won with the support of the Rockefellers.
    There is only one question - what do we have to do with this situation?
    Fools don't learn history (example of uss)
    And they have it repeated.
    The better the society lives, the more fools in it.
  22. wax
    wax 9 November 2012 19: 55
    +3
    Little thing about the cook
    http://promanov.livejournal.com/9487.html
    About German money:
    the falsity of the main “evidence” of the German financing of the Bolsheviks, worn down to holes — known since 1918 as the “Sisson documents” —a fact established long ago and reliably. Proof of this was presented back in 1956 by the American historian and diplomat J. Kennan (Kennan GF The Sisson Documents // The Journal of Modern History. Vol. XXVIII. 1956. June.). Kennan, who relied on documents, also pointed out a falsifier — a publicist of Polish descent, former editor of Petrograd's Evening Time Anton (Ferdinand) Martynovich Ossendovsky (the American was not the first to figure out a fake: in 1919 he pointed to it in his critical publication marine Officer Panov, with facts in his hands, also exposed the scribe of the capital as a blackmailer).
  23. sergey261180
    sergey261180 9 November 2012 20: 50
    0
    Interestingly, and Sergei Feliksovich Chernyakhovsky, is he a "respectable idiot" or an agent of influence of the world behind the scenes? But no, judging by the photo, not an idiot
  24. wax
    wax 9 November 2012 20: 56
    +2
    The book “Lenin” by Pierre Stefan Robert Payne (1911-1983) is a piece of work despising Russia. First went abroad in 1964. Since 2008, the Young Guard Publishing House has reprinted its translation already three times in a series of ZhZL (Bis!)
    Publisher: "The author saw his main task in writing the story of a broken, tormented, incredibly generously gifted by nature person, one of a kind, who without hesitation can be called a political genius."
    Payne: “At the end of his life, realizing what the Russian people had to endure and what unbearable victims he condemned people to, affirming his dictatorship over them, Lenin was forced to admit his mistake: it turned out that he was leading the people in the wrong way. “I seem to be very guilty before the workers of Russia ...” he said; you cannot imagine a more honest epitaph. Few of the rulers who left their mark on history are able to pronounce penitential words of such power. ”

    We pick up the 45th volume of the Complete Works of V.I. Lenin, we open page 356 and read: “It seems that I am very guilty before the workers of Russia for not interfering quite energetically and sharply enough in the notorious issue of autonomy ...” He said this on December 30, 1922.

    And why such a roll on Lenin?
    Therefore:
    “One must have the courage to look straight into the face of the unvarnished bitter truth. We must measure, to the bottom, the whole abyss of defeat, dismemberment, enslavement, humiliation, into which we are now pushed. The clearer we understand this, the more solid, hardened, steel our desire for liberation will become, our desire to rise again from enslavement to independence, our unshakable determination to achieve at all costs that Russia ceases to be miserable and powerless, so that it became in the full sense of the word powerful and plentiful. ”
    IN AND. Lenin 1918
  25. tekinoral
    tekinoral 9 November 2012 21: 02
    -4
    idol for all time
  26. wax
    wax 9 November 2012 21: 08
    +4
    Margaret Thatcher:
    (Report on the collapse of the USSR, USA, Houston, 11.1991)
    The Soviet Union is a country that posed a serious threat to the Western world. I am not talking about a military threat. She, in fact, was not. Our countries are quite well armed, including nuclear weapons.
    I mean the economic threat. Thanks to a planned policy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators. The percentage of growth in gross national product was approximately two times higher than in our countries. If we take into account the enormous natural resources of the USSR, then with the rational management of the economy the Soviet Union had very real opportunities to oust us from world markets.
    Therefore, we have always taken actions aimed at weakening the economy of the Soviet Union and creating internal difficulties for it.

    F.M. Dostoevsky,
    Classics of the genre:
    “- Excuse me,” Evgeni Pavlovich objected fervently, “I am not saying anything against liberalism.” Liberalism is not a sin; it is a necessary component of the whole, which without it will decay or freeze; liberalism has the same right to exist as the most well-disposed conservatism; but I attack Russian liberalism, and again I repeat that for this I actually attack it, that the Russian liberal is not a Russian liberal, but not a Russian liberal. Give me a Russian liberal, and I will kiss him right away with you. ”
  27. wax
    wax 9 November 2012 21: 27
    +2
    The Financial Times correspondent Arkady Ostrovsky interviewed Anatoly Chubais:
    “- You know, I have re-read Dostoevsky in the last three months. And I have an almost physical hatred of this man. He is certainly a genius, but his idea of ​​the Russians as an elected, holy people, his cult of suffering and the false choice that he offers make me want to tear him to pieces. ”

    The results of 1991-2001 are here:
    http://www.situation.ru/app/rs/books/whitebook/whitebook_content.htm
  28. sapulid
    sapulid 9 November 2012 21: 50
    +1
    Guys, that's what I want to convey to you.

    Not a single violent overthrow of power is beneficial to its people, for, always, submissions come to power ... that have nothing to do with the ideals of the revolution. The weakness of the state is the reason for its robbery by neighbors.



    Damn the next "false Dmitry" or "Grishka Otrepiev"

    The power of the existing homosexuals must be overthrown carefully, without breaking the foundations of statehood, for IT IS NOT NEED TO BE BROKEN!
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 10 November 2012 10: 27
      -1
      Why - you are absolutely wrong !!! If we take the Great French Revolution as an example, then although it was a very bloody event, it nevertheless pushed France into world leaders of the early 19th century and, most importantly, created a new bourgeois France - the most progressive state of that era ...

      Damn the next "false Dmitry" or "Grishka Otrepiev"


      These are completely events of a different plan - these are the antiheroes of the struggle for the Russian throne, and during the most terrible troubles, the question of changing the political system in Russia was never even raised ... So do not confuse the righteous with the sinful ...
  29. Egoza
    Egoza 9 November 2012 21: 54
    0
    In my opinion, too keen on nationalities ....
    "The great Russian artist Ilya Efimovich Repin was born into a poor Jewish family" (this is how it was written in the manual on fine arts for schools). Let's consider Repin not a Russian artist? Or maybe it is worth evaluating people by what they do for the country and for the people, and not by their nationality? (1)
    (2) It was under the direction of V.I. Lenin created the first socialist state. FIRST! Following the example of which many other countries followed. China itself was able to achieve great results thanks to the socialist idea, certainly developing and perfecting it over time.
    (3) Creating something without analogues is incredibly difficult. Of course, there were many mistakes and actions that were not originally planned at all, but like a lot of bad things and a lot of good ones.
    Somehow I had to hear the speech (already in 1993) of a representative of such a movement as "religious communism". Do you know what you remember? "Communism is certainly a correct term, but its existence will become possible when all people on earth will live in equal conditions" (and not in one country) And further: "The Bolsheviks, moving along the tree of evolution, did not notice that they set foot on its a dead-end branch, although they sincerely believed that they were leading their people to happiness. Therefore, do not trample the blood, memory and faith of the fallen. "
  30. 8 company
    8 company 9 November 2012 22: 04
    -2
    Hmm ... I also read the opinions ... Sadness ...
    The discussion boils down to which of the two ghouls - Lenin and Stalin - is better. This one destroyed so many of his people, that so and so. Who is more? Oh yes, it was not the people, but the enemies of the people ... Lenin: down with the landlords, industrialists, merchants, churchmen, intellectuals of all sorts, white, green ... Well, they destroyed, dispersed ... Stalin: down with the remnants of those who were not killed under Lenin "former" landowners, industrialists, merchants, clergymen, officers of the Imperial Army, prosperous peasants and poor but irresponsible peasants, Trotskyists, Bukharinites, Rykovites, Pyatakovites, Kamenevites, Zinovievites ... They were shot, rotted away in the camps ... Then what? An ideal classless society, stupefied by the universal from equality and brotherhood? Yes shish there, the ruling class of the party bureaucracy has again appeared with its special buffets and distributors of sausage and fawn hats. And the people look like rabbits, they will stand in lines, they still have nothing to do after work, so let them stand in the queues and reread Lenin and Stalin. And what - again a revolution? Let's destroy the class of the party bureaucracy! They did not have time to destroy, they fled very quickly. Today the burning question is next: the destruction of the reborn traders, industrialists, farmers, oligarchs, etc., etc. On a stake it was wet - start over ... It seems that some fans of the leftist leaders simply go about with rakes all the time, step on them, beat their heads, step again, beat again ... To infinity ...
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 10 November 2012 10: 19
      -1
      Today is the burning question: the destruction of reborn merchants, industrialists, farmers, oligarchs, etc., etc. N


      But many of these same industrialists, traders and oligarchs have something to shoot for !!! Impunity and the criminality of creating private capital in the countries of the former Union gives rise to yet another impunity and lawlessness in a new historical round, and there is no end to this.
    2. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 10 November 2012 12: 04
      +1
      For company 8
      Quote: Company 8
      Yes, shish there, the ruling class of the party bureaucracy again appeared with its special buffets and distributors of sausage and fawn caps.
      -
      smile so you don’t specifically like that this class appeared or that it disappeared without waiting for your entry into it?
      ..... Your phrase ... Destroy the class of party bureaucracy! They didn’t have time to destroy, they ran away very fast ....

      Totally agree with you! Your example clearly shows this! As soon as the funding of the "political politicians" ceased, they all stopped "praising and proud of the social order" and began throwing mud at what they praised yesterday .. belay No ,. but in general it sounds cool - the former political commander regrets. that party bureaucrats quickly scattered! Now, if they hesitated, then the 8th company would lead the process of destroying bureaucrats! And do you blame Stalin for the repression ?!
      Yeah, 8th company, here you opened your face laughing
      Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958
      1. 8 company
        8 company 10 November 2012 12: 17
        +1
        Quote: Alexander 1958
        As soon as the financing of the "political politicians" stopped, they all stopped "praising and proud of the social system."


        Well, why did it stop, the politicians were renamed as educational officers, psychologists, etc., and continue to pay generously. In my opinion, now it’s even more generous than in Soviet times. You are not aware of this simply because you are very far from the army.
        1. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 10 November 2012 21: 40
          +1
          For 8 company

          Quote: Company 8
          the political leaders were renamed as educational officers, psychologists

          Yes, you can rename anyone, even pastors or chaplains, that's not the problem. The question is what exactly the officers-educators bring up in the soldiers and on what examples. I think it’s unlikely, based on the example of political instructor Klochko, who raised people to attack, and what an officer-educator could set a soldier as an example in the first Chechen war, and what to call for - will we protect Abramovich's capital? No matter how generously it is not to pay the officers-educators, it will not change anything if the soldiers see how today the political commander called to defend the Soviet homeland, and tomorrow "in the morning" he is already stigmatizing the totalitarian regime - your option ..
          Alexander 1958
  31. studentmati
    studentmati 9 November 2012 22: 06
    -1
    Hitler also won because he felt what millions wanted ... Analogies are inevitable!
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 10 November 2012 00: 34
      +1
      For
      studentmati
      As far as I remember the story, then Lenin wanted happiness for all peoples, without exception, and Hitler wanted happiness for all Germans, but everyone else should have been happy Germans .. If you think these are similar ideologies, then the finger is another organ that also looks like finger, but how much they are similar, ask women .. smile
      Alexander 1958
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 12 November 2012 22: 45
        0
        Thanks, Alexander, respected the answer! But giving a comment, I primarily meant the scale of the leader’s personality, his instinct and ability to lead a nation! And who, whom, where, and with what ideology led - we know. I would like to hope that our current king also feels what millions want.
        1. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 12 November 2012 23: 48
          0
          For studentmati
          Good afternoon!
          Do not mistake for banter, but are you sure that you need what you want? I speak for myself, I was sure in the early 90's. that I know what I need .. Now I think differently.
          .
          Quote: studentmati
          I would like to hope that our current king also feels what millions want.
          -
          He can and does feel, but whether there are such opportunities now to realize these wishes is already another story. and most importantly, do the people want to be saved? It has already happened when today they idolize, and tomorrow they yell, "crucify him" ...
          Alexander 1958
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 13 November 2012 00: 02
            0
            Do not quite understand the essence of the issue?
            However.
            In the early 90s, I was also absolutely confident in my desires and capabilities. Now I also think differently, I do not see anything unusual in this.
            And the king is the king to lead the people behind him. Otherwise, the price is worthless to him.
            Thank you.
  32. taseka
    taseka 10 November 2012 08: 49
    0
    The shooting since 14 years and the shooting of hostages in the Tambov province is love for people? Contradictory figure and quite !!!
  33. Selevc
    Selevc 10 November 2012 10: 04
    0
    It is difficult for us to talk about the personality of Lenin - since we are people of a different era ... But one thing is absolutely clear - Lenin is a truly grand figure against the background of political dwarfs of Tsarist Russia ...
    The first half of the 20th century is the era of great leaders - who invited their nations to make a breakthrough in economic and cultural development ... In addition to Lenin, there were also Hitler and Mao and Churchill and Roosevelt - also very large-scale figures ... What methods did this the dashing jerk is the second question - but truly, the deeds were grandiose, the sacrifices were colossal, but the victories were great !!!
    Naturally, scum like Zhirinovsky can only burn our history - politicians of the 90s cannot do anything else ...
  34. T-130
    T-130 10 November 2012 12: 17
    +1
    It is difficult to say today who Lenin is, on the one hand he seems to be an accomplice in a group of traitors from the Provisional Government, on the other he saved the country from this very group trying to ruin the country. The facts indirectly speak of both versions, but so far there are no documents directly confirming this or that version it is impossible to say exactly who Lenin is a participant in the conspiracy or the savior of the country! There is no doubt its great importance in the history of the country!
  35. Rossmk
    Rossmk 10 November 2012 20: 52
    -1
    I do not like this reptile ... I had to immediately catch it and shoot it quietly. There would have been fewer deaths.
    1. Azovin
      Azovin 10 November 2012 23: 46
      -1
      And here is the Tomagotchi generation. Once we missed him, we’ll have to fight with him.
      1. Rossmk
        Rossmk 11 November 2012 01: 04
        0
        I do not quite understand.
  36. stolbovsn
    stolbovsn 14 November 2012 15: 51
    0
    A gorgeous, deep and truthful article. But I simply did not expect such garbage in the discussion on this site. Such illiteracy when discussing key events in our history with a powerful anti-communist aplomb. And Lenin and Leninism as ideology will be key factors in our and world history for many centuries to come.