V.Putin instructed to sign an agreement on the creation of a unified regional air defense system of Russia and Kazakhstan

V.Putin instructed to sign an agreement on the creation of a unified regional air defense system of Russia and KazakhstanRussian President Vladimir Putin accepted the government’s proposal and commissioned him to sign an agreement between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan on the creation of a Unified Regional Air Defense System of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.


The text of the order “On signing an agreement between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan on the creation of a Unified Regional Air Defense System of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan” from 06.11.2012 No. 501-rp is posted on the official portal of legal information.

In accordance with the decree, the Ministry of Defense, with the participation of the Foreign Ministry, was entrusted with conducting negotiations with the Kazakh side and, upon reaching an agreement, sign the said agreement on behalf of the Russian Federation, allowing for changes to the draft approved by the Russian government that are not of a fundamental nature.
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  1. Cavas
    Cavas 8 November 2012 11: 42 New
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    Slowly pulls on former republics!
    I hope things go beyond just talking!

    USSR-2.0 ?!
    1. alexng 8 November 2012 11: 49 New
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      This is a natural course of circumstances. Time to collect stones. Everyone has already gained the sovereignty imposed by the West. It is time to return home to the prodigal children, despite the fact that the parent of the USSR is already a celestial. Houses are still more comfortable than under the skirt of pseudo-democrats. Why under the skirt, and so that it was not visible how they poop on the head of those who are hidden there.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 12: 29 New
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        Quote: alexneg
        Everyone has already gained the sovereignty imposed by the West

        Unfortunately, not all
        in Kazakhstan, many will be against, in any case, the opposition is for sure
        1. Islam
          Islam 19 November 2012 18: 44 New
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          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          in Kazakhstan, many will be against, in any case, the opposition is for sure

          would you know how insignificant our opposition is
      2. Bronis 8 November 2012 12: 39 New
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        Yes, in fact, Kazakhstan left the Union, it seems, the last or the pre-settlement (or Kyrgyzstan was the last - I do not remember). De facto, when the Union was already gone. Yes, and the RSFSR sovereignty (it did not mean an automatic exit from the USSR, but implied it) proclaimed 12 in June, and Kazakhstan in December. So it all started with the Baltic states, but the final “signal” for the collapse was given by Mr. Yeltsin ... the USSR without the RSFSR is nonsense.
        In addition, Nazarbayev was never particularly friendly with the West. Kazakhstan is one of our few reliable allies.
        The USSR in its current form cannot be revived for many reasons, but to create some kind of common economic and political (and maybe military) space on its former territory is real and necessary for everyone. Well, or almost everyone.
        1. Lord of the Sith 8 November 2012 15: 24 New
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          More precisely and can not be said
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 16: 02 New
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          Quote: Bronis
          In addition, Nazarbayev was never particularly friendly with the West. Kazakhstan is one of our few reliable allies.

          Well, the NAS is the same bug for the sake of interest, see who it’s going to advisers now, and indeed it’s also cunning and flew into the forest, though the kerosene ended on the way and didn’t intend to leave the ruble zone, however, the national currency printed in advance in London, etc. d.
          1. Kasym 8 November 2012 16: 45 New
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            Hello, Vladimir.
            "who goes to his advisers." Here we can draw an analogy with Schroeder, who defended the interests of Russia during the construction of the northern corridor of the gas pipeline. True, T. Blair is not visible at all on the Kazakh news. channels.
            "kerosene on the road is over." Well, just keep idiots - so that the fuel is not calculated to the destination for the first person of the republic. Nazarbayev refused to participate in the "gathering of three."
            "national currency printed in advance in London." In fact, they began to print it when Shokhin flew in and announced that Kazakhstan would not enter the ruble zone. Tenge appeared a few months after this announcement, and Russia introduced new rubles almost immediately and the entire stream of old money poured into us. Kazakhstan was the last to leave the USSR. And he did not force the officers to take a new oath of allegiance to the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            Vladimir, let's not throw stones at each other. "There is nothing further than yesterday and there is nothing closer than tomorrow." I am personally happy with this news. This is a new brick in the construction of the New Union. Combined air defense, I think, implies a single center, which will be located in Russia. United command. Kazakhstan is not a poor relative, so I think it will facilitate Russia's spending in this direction.
            We will wait for new news about joint actions in the direction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, parliaments, governments, the economy, the single currency (maybe even with the parallel circulation of national currencies). Well, and there it will reach the New Union (planned in 2015).
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 18: 38 New
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              Quote: Kasym
              kerosene on the road is over. "Well, just keep the idiots away so that you don’t have to calculate the fuel to the destination for the first person of the republic. Nazarbayev refused to participate in the" meeting of three.

              I don’t know who and what is holding you, but it was the version with kerosene that was voiced; By the way, competently, in any development of events, the Nazik yearned for clean, he didn’t seem to take part in the collapse, at the same time it seemed like he’s close to whoever won
              Quote: Kasym
              Kazakhstan was the last to leave the USSR. And he did not force the officers to take a new oath of allegiance to the Republic of Kazakhstan.

              Well, about the last one, forgive me all the stupidity, everything came out all at once with the signing of the Bialowieza agreements.
              Quote: Kasym
              Vladimir, let's not throw stones at each other

              I’m not going to throw anyone into it, I just look at things really no more than an hour ago I read the comments on azattyk, therefore I understand that not everyone is happy with inegration, although I myself understand that we will either be reunited and all together we will swim out or dissolve without a trace
              1. Islam
                Islam 19 November 2012 18: 49 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                I’m not going to throw anyone into it, I just look at things really no more than an hour ago I read the comments on azattyk, therefore I understand that not everyone is happy with inegration, although I myself understand that we will either be reunited and all together we will swim out or dissolve without a trace

                on the azattyk comments of finished nationalists who just need power to scold what the light is on so I do not advise listening to these uneducated jumps who do not see beyond their nose
              2. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 25 November 2012 03: 12 New
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                Azattyk is the official Kazakhstani branch of Radio Liberty. And at the same time the main collection point for Wahabbits with criminal manners, “human rights activists”, Russophobes and (as it seems to me) fake commentators, who act according to the well-known American strategy in virtual space.

                You would still call the Voice of Freedom the opinion of the Russian people.
          2. Bronis 8 November 2012 16: 52 New
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            But he did not set up with Baikonur, a number of SPRN, air defense facilities, and much more. But he could. Moreover, there were many hunters before this. Apparatchik he is seasoned and knows how to maneuver. Only this is a plus for him and for all residents of Kazakhstan. But he, in general, maintains a foreign policy course. And very consistent, and not stupidly under the visor. Nazarbayev is an independent leader who understands what his country needs. And his allied relations with Russia - not "from the old memory", but quite conscious - partnership.
        3. Islam
          Islam 8 November 2012 18: 33 New
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          Quote: Bronis
          Kazakhstan is one of our few reliable allies

          I hope Kazakhstan and Russia will continue to form a strong indestructible alliance wink
      3. Bort radist 8 November 2012 15: 28 New
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        Quote: alexneg
        This is a natural course of circumstances. Time to collect stones.

        It's time to collect the former republics of the great Union!
      4. Forget 8 November 2012 15: 41 New
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        Quote: alexneg
        Everyone has already gained the sovereignty imposed by the West

        maybe three men arranged it ....
        Quote: alexneg
        It's time to return home to the prodigal children

        Well, this is clearly not about Kazakhstan, since Nazarbayev was not invited to the Pushcha, because they knew that he would be against the collapse of the USSR
    2. domokl 8 November 2012 11: 49 New
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      The question is quite complicated ... On the one hand, Kazakhstan has a fairly independent policy, and on the other hand, the creation of such a system is more profitable than placing everything at home ... Purely for the money and for the strategic position of the system. Accordingly, it is required, at this time, to review and agreement on Baikonur.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 8 November 2012 15: 27 New
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        Quote: domokl
        The question is quite complicated ... On the one hand, Kazakhstan has a fairly independent policy (in the 86th, it was passing through Baikonur (figuratively))

        Bah, he leads, he himself achieved this or ...
      2. Islam
        Islam 8 November 2012 18: 37 New
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        Quote: domokl
        Kazakhstan has a fairly independent policy

        Yes, I agree, but we have never failed our allies, but about air defense, it is beneficial to everyone except the United States
    3. ShturmKGB 8 November 2012 11: 49 New
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      And where did Belarus go? It seems that she was going to join this system ...
      1. domokl 8 November 2012 11: 58 New
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        Belarus has its own agreement with Russia and joining the general one is not yet profitable for money ... Practically, the sky of Belarus is protected by Russian air defense
      2. Skiff
        Skiff 8 November 2012 12: 05 New
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        Russia and Belarus will launch a unified air defense control system. The digital control system of a unified air defense system of Russia and Belarus will begin to work by the end of 2012, the Izvestia newspaper cites a source in the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. Access to it will be given to both Belarusian and Russian military. The air defense system will be controlled by a single manual in an automated mode.
        According to the source of the newspaper, the decision on the use of anti-aircraft missile systems will be taken by the command post that will be the first to detect the threat, primarily the missile. Such a system was introduced in order not to waste time coordinating actions in case of detection of enemy weapons. Two command posts of a unified air defense system will be deployed in Belarus and several more in Russia.
        Under the control of command posts will be all the forces and means of air defense of Belarus, as well as such systems located on the territory of the Western Military District of Russia. The architecture of the unified air defense control system, based on the MSVS operating system, was developed by the Tver Research Institute.
      3. Geser Khan
        Geser Khan 8 November 2012 14: 38 New
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        Russia also intends to conclude an agreement on a single air defense system with Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Earlier, work on signing an agreement on a unified air defense system of the Central Asian region was suspended due to difficult negotiations with Uzbekistan.

        More details: http://tengrinews.kz/russia/putin-poruchil-podpisat-soglashenie-s-astanoy-o-edin
        oy-sisteme-pvo-223071 /
        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to Tengrinews.kz
    4. Beck
      Beck 8 November 2012 12: 34 New
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      Quote: Cavas
      Slowly pulling the former republics under itself! I hope the matter goes beyond just talking!


      It’s good that the president of Russia doesn’t say that .. For myself. If so it goes to the top, then nothing will come of it. This is not the USSR. This creates an equal union. Of course, not economic, then equality will not work, but political.

      Quote: alexneg
      It's time to return home to the prodigal children,


      Again the words of the old song - at the arm of Moscow. That history is not a lesson for you, when one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was such Russian sentiment.

      That’s all right. Countries remember their history of shared living. Recognize strategic partners in each other, create a single customs, integrate their own economies, try to play together in the political arena (in the worst case, do not go into resonance). Create a single air defense. So no, again out of nonexistence the voice of "elder brother" is heard.

      That you cannot discern dignity in your opponent, but in your strategic ally as an equal partner. All you need to look down upon. And we want others to join the new alliance.

      For example, imagine. Here are your comments read by the leaders of the Caucasian and Central Asian republics, I am sure they will think about it - but again we need to fig.

      Well, no liability, all craving for "greatness."
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 8 November 2012 13: 17 New
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        Quote: Beck
        This is not the USSR. This creates an equal union. Of course, not economic, then equality will not work, but political.


        Money in the morning in the evening chairs?
        No, guys this is not for you!

        Quote: Beck
        For example, imagine. Here are your comments read by the leaders of the Caucasian and Central Asian republics, I am sure they will think about it - but again we need to fig.

        And go around the world with outstretched hand.
        Quote: Beck
        Again the words of the old song - at the arm of Moscow. That history is not a lesson for you, when one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was such Russian sentiment.


        Sit down two!

        1. Trofimov174
          Trofimov174 8 November 2012 13: 43 New
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          Cavas,
          When building new unions, you need to look back at the experience of past years and stop building yourself out of it, deciding with one voice who will join somewhere and who will not go anywhere, because in this case the republics will really say "why do we need this" and go to the star striped. Therefore, rush with partners at you. Otherwise, the new union will fall apart before it actually begins.
        2. Beck
          Beck 8 November 2012 13: 49 New
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          Quote: Cavas
          No, guys this is not for you!


          What an equal union does not ride? It cannot be otherwise.

          Quote: Cavas
          And go around the world with outstretched hand.


          What will be more profitable for Russia so that Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan receive money from the West. He then puts the West in this hand, but with all the conditions. Does Russia need this?

          And then some cry - and why are the neighbors turning away.
          1. Cavas
            Cavas 8 November 2012 14: 14 New
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            Quote: Beck
            What an equal union does not ride? It can't be otherwise

            Here is a small example for you.



            Quote: Beck
            And then some cry - and why are the neighbors turning away.


            It was a long time ago ....,



            And if you want to run away from safety .... your business.
            Here is another example for you.

            Without Putin’s approval, winning an election whether it’s France, Germany, Serbia, Georgia or Ukraine does not happen.
            In Ukraine, this was believed faster than in the West. Yanukovych went to Russia precisely in order to demonstrate his close relations with the Russian president. Everything worked exactly as it was calculated. Along with the law on language, by demonstrating its entry into the "high Russian world", Yanukovych showed everyone that Russia supports his policy and, of course, will not leave Ukraine in trouble. For those who would like to see a little more in all this, Yanukovych’s focus on the Customs Union with Russia is easily seen.
            However, one must understand that Putin does not give such advances for nothing.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 15: 58 New
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            Quote: Beck
            then an equal union will not work? It cannot be otherwise.

            in what sense is equality ?!
            in the Union, Kyrgyz and Russian and Kazakh had absolutely equal rights
            1. Yeraz 8 November 2012 17: 17 New
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              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              in the Union, Kyrgyz and Russian and Kazakh had absolutely equal rights

              Yeah, but for some reason not one Muslim became the head of the USSR, Heydar Aliyev had a chance, but he was poured on Gorbachev, which in the future showed the erroneous choice.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 18: 39 New
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                I’ll tell you a secret, only you don’t tell anyone there and there were practically no Orthodox
                1. Yeraz 8 November 2012 23: 20 New
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                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  I’ll tell you a secret, only you don’t tell anyone there and there were practically no Orthodox

                  Muslims, I have summarized many peoples. You do not need to literally understand)) I will also tell you a secret about the myth that the Azerbaijani people wanted to join the USSR. Among these 26 commissars, the head was Armenian Stepanyan (already funny, right?) Azerbaijanis were counted 2 times)))
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir 9 November 2012 09: 14 New
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                    Quote: Yeraz
                    No need to literally understand

                    as they wrote and understood
            2. Beck
              Beck 8 November 2012 19: 10 New
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              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              in the Union, Kyrgyz and Russian and Kazakh had absolutely equal rights


              Declared - Yes. But really not. And I think it’s not necessary to list all quotas. And appointments to all high posts from Moscow.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 19: 13 New
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                sorry how old are you?
                1. Beck
                  Beck 8 November 2012 19: 47 New
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                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  sorry how old are you?


                  62 year.

                  And I’ll add that the events of 1986 in Almaty were triggered by the appointment of the post of Secretary of Kazakhstan to the provisional secretary of the Ulyanovsk regional committee. One of the slogans of youth was - "Kazakhstan has its own Russian secretaries of regional committees." At that time, about 1 secretaries of the regional committees of Kazakhstan were Russians and their people knew.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 20: 03 New
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                    62 year.

                    that is, they lived under the Union, then why about quotas?
                    Quote: Beck
                    One of the slogans of youth was - "Kazakhstan has its own Russian secretaries of regional committees"

                    unfortunately, under the windows of my house that December, they beat with the slogans "" Russians out of Kazakhstan "
                    and they were provoked not by the appointment of colbin but by the removal of Knev
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 8 November 2012 20: 19 New
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                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      unfortunately, under the windows of my house that December they beat the Russians out of Kazakhstan with the slogans and they were provoked not by the appointment of a kolbin but by the removal of Knaev


                      I have not seen this.

                      But if it was, then in one destination. In the same way it was breaking windows, setting fires to cars, a truck in the square with free vodka. All this is the everyday work of all special services - provocations are called. When the KGB agents rooted in the crowd do it all. And for tomorrow, newspapers cover the event not as political, but as hooligan and bandit.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 22: 19 New
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                        leave about provocations
                        and there was arson and everything else, and the youngsters didn’t go out of the hostel himself, but the bureaucrats shoved him out under which chairs swayed, and the pogroms were not single but almost everywhere.
                        Quote: Beck
                        not as political, but as hooligan and gangster.

                        so it was
                      2. Beck
                        Beck 9 November 2012 09: 10 New
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                        Vasilenko.

                        Why do some events in most cases want to blame on something third. To officials, to Amers, to the west, to the one without bodily, amorphous and never designated, to whom it is beneficial. That the masses cannot have their own initiative?

                        Gorbychev declared glasnost, democracy, and election. And after a while, by a willful decision, he appointed a new 1 secretary of Kazakhstan. Simple questions - where is the publicity? where are the transparent choices? where is democracy? And of course, one of the slogans was - "Each nation has its own leader"

                        And provocations are the property of all special services. Even under tsarism, at the May Day demonstrations, the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries always warned against succumbing to provocations.
                        After all, the provocateur is just to begin, and then the psychology of the behavior of the crowd.
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir 9 November 2012 09: 15 New
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                        Quote: Beck
                        And provocations are the property of all special services.

                        once again I ask enough about provocations, I do not know about those events from newspapers
                      4. Beck
                        Beck 9 November 2012 09: 28 New
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                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        once again I ask enough about provocations, I do not know about those events from newspapers


                        Especially not from newspapers.
            3. Brother Sarych
              Brother Sarych 8 November 2012 20: 25 New
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              You have already tired of your tales on this subject - this is not true, and you know it perfectly, you would have risen against the “local” Russian as well, the principle was important! Nazarbayev with his henchmen was eager for power, and he would use any clue ...
              But Kunayev himself was choked up on Nazarbayev - he probably figured out in the end what kind of fruit ...
              1. Beck
                Beck 8 November 2012 20: 39 New
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                Yes, Nazarbayev is rotten. On behalf of Gorbachev. Because Gorbachev, while still a member of the Politburo, pushed Nazarbayev to the post of Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Government of Kazakhstan.

                There may be noise and would have stood if a Russian seretary from Kazakhstan had been appointed. But I think it wouldn’t get to the demonstrations. This is an assumption. Since no one from today's positions, probably, can say that something is 100% impossible.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 25 November 2012 04: 02 New
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        During perestroika, my father, an officer in a military unit in Orenburg, was sent to the first congress of Soviet officers. Upon arrival in Moscow, the organizing committee was very surprised that he was a Kazakh (they thought that Russian, since the surname is not clearly Muslim) and openly told him that there was a quota for officers from national minorities (no more than a few people), and because of his nationality he must go back home. The leadership of the unit made a noise, as a result, the father was allowed to participate in the work of the congress. Then when they invited me - my father refused, said that he no longer wanted to be so humiliated. But all his life he was proud of the "united Soviet people", and as a political worker, he also taught this to a soldier. Well, the first war in Chechnya, where he was the deputy battalion commander of the OMON battalion, opened his eyes to how the Russian majority in the army refers to the nationalities. After completing his service in the Caucasus, his father decided to move to his historic homeland. Where he encountered even more frenzied nationalism on the part of local Russian officers, who made up the vast majority (90%) in the officer corps of Kazakhstan. Some of the officers served with dignity, their merits were noted by the government of the republic, but nevertheless, most of them openly began to behave like an occupier, stealing everything, hating everyone, and leaving, they even smashed the tiles in the toilets in military towns “so that the Kazakhs won’t” (I no longer I say that they destroyed the inventory of property).
        Yes, you yourself can read how Russian officers in numerous memoirs on the network describe how they plundered military property, with what hatred and squeamishness they describe Kazakhs (even if they write about the era before the collapse of the country).
        By the way, it’s a well-known fact that so far only Slavs are taken to the Kremlin Guard, and ethnic Russian has always been selected for the post of Minister of Defense (both in the USSR and the Russian Federation). So it’s kind of like a friendship of peoples, but in fact, Russians from the bottom to the top considered themselves at least a little “more beautiful”, since the state ideology didn’t hide its essence too.
        I am engaged in the military history of Kazakhstan, studying the affairs of Kazakh wars during the Second World War. I endlessly stumble upon the wording in their affairs "was presented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union", "was twice presented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union" and even "was presented three times to ...", and then everywhere the wording was denied. The reason is clear. Well, Kazakhs cannot become the first in terms of the number of GSS per capita and last.
        Only the famous sniper Ibraim Suleimenov, who killed 289 Fritz, the famous Baurzhan Momyshuly, that same legendary Panfilov, Rakhimzhan Koshkarbaev, the first to hoist the Red Banner on the Reichstag - all of them were presented to the rank of the GSS and all of them (and many more dozens of other heroes) nationalities) were rejected, despite real merits (Momyshuly received the Golden Star posthumously during the collapse of the USSR after Nazarbayev’s urgent request to Gorbachev). And even my own grandfather was introduced to this title in 1945, but apparently too many Kazakhs turned out to be Heroes. The figure of Kazakh heroes was also reduced by attributing some from the floundering bay to other nationalities - for example, General Rakhimov and pilot Plisov (“suddenly” turned out to be Uzbeks), etc.
        So there is nothing to paint everything in rainbow colors, speaking of a national issue in the USSR. Therefore, the Kazakhs are also afraid that the Russians not only did not get rid of their snobbery and arrogance, but in recent years have even more believed in their "chosenness."
        So, most of the Kazakhs are for an alliance with Russia, but it really annoys that the Russians are becoming more and more Nazis every year. Here on the site it is also very noticeable. I don’t really want to poke us again: "we picked you up from shit and took us to the Eurasian Union (although this was a Kazakh idea from the very beginning), we taught you to read and shit, and you bastards smile at Georgians and Mexicans and don’t do it three times" .
  • Ascetic 8 November 2012 14: 10 New
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    That you cannot discern dignity in your opponent, but in your strategic ally as an equal partner. All you need to look down upon. And we want others to join the new alliance.


    On this, by the way, our opponents skillfully play. From this series, by the way, was the recent informational sabotage against Nazarbayev, whose purpose, by the way, was to disrupt the planned agreements on a single air defense and Baikonur. A single air defense system (read and missile defense because the SKY-M radar is already there, only the missile under the S-500 remains) they are like a pain in the ass. Now Tajiks and Kyrgyz have been given money for defense, that is, we are strengthening our positions there.
    Well, Karimov was slightly landed, arresting his daughter’s apartment in Moscow. The expulsion of MTS from Uzbekistan is just an excuse, the reason is another change in the orientation of her dad.
    My webpage

    Initially, there were plans to create unified air defense system of the Central Asian region but because of the position of Uzbekistan, they decided to go gradually, to connect segments as agreed with countries, and only then, to create a unified system based on these segments.
    1. Beck
      Beck 8 November 2012 14: 29 New
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      On this, by the way, our opponents skillfully play.


      Of course they play. And some on the site, without hesitation, echo.

      After all, everything lies on the surface. Coexistence over a thousand years, intertwined stories. A million Kazakhs in Russia, about 35% of Russians in Kazakhstan. And you can’t imagine a union more natural.

      What about China, or what to lean against? Do I need to learn Chinese? Yes, who the hell is this in Kazakhstan?

      In my opinion, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are on the way. And if so, then Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will be in the enclave. Then their leaders will have to think hard.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 25 November 2012 04: 20 New
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      Nice to see sound messages. I will add that sometimes this is not sabotage, but simply journalistic "sensations" when a fact is exposed in a perverted light for the sake of a savory headline. It’s how recently a part of the Russian media wrote that an American military base in Aktau was allegedly being opened in the KZ, although in reality Kazakhs on the contrary refused the Americans their request.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 15: 57 New
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    Quote: Beck
    Again the words of the old song - at the arm of Moscow. That history is not a lesson for you, when one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was such Russian sentiment

    Well, actually the reason was not at all
    1. Beck
      Beck 8 November 2012 19: 06 New
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      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Well, actually the reason was not at all


      So I did not say that the main one, I said that one of the reasons.

      And the main reason for all is different. For some, these are personal qualities of people - Gorbachev, Yeltsin - traitors. For others, it’s malicious..the amers.

      For me, the failure of the economic model of socialism. Which led to devastation.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2012 19: 14 New
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        I said that one of the reasons

        this was not even one of the reasons
        Quote: Beck
        For me, the failure of the economic model of socialism. Which led to devastation

        This stupid thing, there was no ruin, no wealth
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          Beck 8 November 2012 20: 24 New
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          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          This stupid thing, there was no ruin, no wealth


          Always, whatever the state of the country, Moscow and Leningrad were provided for everyone. If there was no devastation, then, if the case was seen, at the end of 80 in Moscow they kept food stamps. Why would this be? And do not say that they were in the warehouses, but they didn’t give them a lift.
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            pay attention in Moscow there were coupons, but in Alma-Ata, no, sorry this is not ruin, it is a provocation
  • Committee 8 November 2012 13: 44 New
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    Dreaming. 2.0 ... The fifth column will not allow us.
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      Cavas 8 November 2012 14: 15 New
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      Dreaming. 2.0 ... The fifth column will not allow us.

      And who will ask her ?! laughing
  • Islam
    Islam 8 November 2012 18: 47 New
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    USSR-2.0 ?!
    yes but will be called the EURASIAN UNION
  • hrych 8 November 2012 11: 44 New
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    That sky is already one.
    1. tronin.maxim 8 November 2012 11: 50 New
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      By quietly on a little fridge, the mosaic develops into a single picture, there are first sketches!
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      alatau_09 8 November 2012 12: 14 New
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      And before that, the sky was uniform, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, EurAsEC, cooperation in the field of armaments, the sale of weapons at reduced prices by a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, military training grounds for tactical missile weapons testing (Western Kazakhstan), medium and long-range missiles and missile defense (Sary-Shagan ) and etc.
      There was an agreement between the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation on the operational exchange of information on air defense ...
      Now, within the framework of new agreements between the EurAsEC countries, the BRs, the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation are uniting even more closely ... that's good.
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      Quote: hrych
      That sky is already one.


      united air defense system of the CIS countries involves only the exchange of information between national air defense systems, and unified air defense system should include creation of a single command in one command center (most likely in Moscow), where should the order come from - after agreement either with the presidents of both states, or with the president of the country whose airspace is violated, - to destroy an air or space target.
      Here is a brief idea single sky
  • PISTOL
    PISTOL 8 November 2012 11: 44 New
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    Really have waited, it is high time, by the way, the accession of Kyrgyzstan with Armenia and Tajikistan is just around the corner!
  • Pule 8 November 2012 11: 59 New
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    NATO in Europe, we in Asia. And everything and everything ABM.
  • lebed
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    FIRE. At least something I did.
  • IRBIS 8 November 2012 12: 35 New
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    And yet, I think that in the light of recent speeches and movements of President Nazarbayev, the air defense system of Russia should have its own insurance in this direction in case of a "sudden" loss of Kazakhstan from the general cage. Otherwise, in a certain situation, it may turn out not a bad hole for all kinds of lovers of "democracy." Politics is a delicate and dirty business, contracts have not yet guaranteed anyone that the partner will fulfill them at 100%. Our "friends" have proved this to us over the past three centuries.
  • Alexander
    Alexander 8 November 2012 12: 50 New
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    And who, interestingly, will command missile defense - Russia or Kazakhstan? And if there will be joint management, how will they coordinate their actions?
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      In peacetime, they manage themselves, but in real time they drop information to us ... At least that was the case with Belarus. Details after the prescription of years, I really already forgot ... repeat
    2. Beck
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      And who, interestingly, will command missile defense - Russia or Kazakhstan?


      Who, who? RUSSIA.

      There are no high-level specialists in Kazakhstan, as in Russia. And the technique is all Russian. Kazakhstan’s participation is most likely the provision of territory, and of some services.
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        Which complex detected and confirmed the launch faster, the same pool and processes information and destroys the target, everything goes automatically to the Strategic Missile Forces and a decision is made there, there is a clear procedure
  • Witch
    Witch 8 November 2012 13: 05 New
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    I hope it will be faster with Kazakhstan ...
    With Belarus, only I was preparing an agreement for 4 years, before me it was 2 years and signed 1,5 years after my demobilization.
    Everything rested on the coordination of the Ministry of Finance .... and on the special position of the "constructive" position of the Air Force performer. A closed document filled with sunflower oil with 100 sheets of paper will never forget ... wassat
  • Citizen
    Citizen 8 November 2012 13: 07 New
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    Finally we realized
  • anchonsha
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    HERE AND GOOD THAT THE PURPOSES OF US WITH KAZAKHSTAN ONE AND THE SAME. At least two countries have appeared in which you can be confident to the end.
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      HERE AND GOOD THAT THE PURPOSES OF US WITH KAZAKHSTAN ONE AND THE SAME. At least two countries have appeared in which you can be confident to the end.


      But in another way. More than five hundred years have lived in one state.

      300 years in the Golden Horde. 175 years in the Russian Empire. 74 years in the USSR. And this groundwork can not be thrown out.
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    Finally, conditions have been created, and finally a chance is not missed.
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    An adequate response from the American missile defense system, I think not the last ...
  • Alex_dnepr 8 November 2012 13: 53 New
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    Cavas Today, 11:42 AM New
    7 Tightens the former republics slowly!
    I hope things go beyond just talking!
    USSR-2.0 ?!

    - Americans, too, with other countries are creating missile defense together. but for some reason no one says to them that they are creating a second USSR. And we specifically created such a sterotype, they say "USSR 2"
    Vasilenko Vladimir (1) Today, 12:29 unfortunately not all
    in Kazakhstan, many will be against, in any case, the opposition is for sure


    Sorry, so who sponsors and manages these opposition (as well as in Ukraine, Russia and other countries) - the West, of course they will be against ...

    - Damn, when we are already in Ukraine, they will at least get to the same level and unite economically and militarily!
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      need to help them get away, but smartly, without noise and screams .....
      it’s politics and politics, which can be destroyed or remade by the intrigues of the state
  • Brummbar 8 November 2012 15: 41 New
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    THIS IS NISHTYAK, IF SEREENO!
  • TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 8 November 2012 15: 46 New
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    The good news! It doesn’t matter who will command, it doesn’t matter for what reason, it’s important that understanding has emerged — centuries of living together and 70 years in the USSR — do not pass overnight. Boxes solve momentary problems! Who do we (they) need in the current system of the Western world (read Yusovsky). It is clear (but not to everyone) that we are a bargaining chip in the world’s bullet. Go sit without a paw, forward to us! By the way, I respect Nazorbaev, a competent player and a thinker!
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    This is seen after an analysis of these teachings.
  • Beck
    Beck 8 November 2012 19: 24 New
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    I thank all the people of Kazakhstan on this page.

    For an objective look at the Eurasian Union and understanding of the situation.
    And most importantly, in the sense that not a single chauvinistic word has sounded. Type - do not, we ourselves with a mustache, we have our own way, etc.
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    There were joyful exclamations that the revival of the USSR-2. The republics are returning. Do we need all the republics? I think that not all. Who can argue? Sincerely.
  • Altikapov
    Altikapov 9 November 2012 11: 54 New
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    Regarding Kazakhstan. You look carefully at the map. More than 7 thousand km of the joint border, the Caspian, Volga, Urals, Sibmr. And also "South" and all this needs to be "covered up." Are there really few of these “arguments”?