Russian troops broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​Experimental near Artemovsk

By the morning of January 4, it became known that PMC "Wagner" was able to break through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the village of Opytnoye near Artemivsk (Ukrainians call it Bakhmut). Now PMC fighters are trying to reach the city from the southeastern outskirts.

Also, heavy fighting is going on in the areas of Kleshcheevka, PMC units are trying to move towards the city from Ozaryanovka and Kurdyumovka. Here they face the resistance of the Ukrainian formations.

To the north of Artemovsk, fighting is taking place near Podgorodny. In addition, Wagner PMCs are attacking in the direction of Krasnaya Gora south of Soledar, as well as in the Yakovlevka area.

The Russian armed forces continue their attacks in the city of Marinka, and also try to attack the fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Avdiivka, but here the results are less significant than near Artemovsk.

In the Luhansk direction, the main attacks are taking place in the area of ​​Belogorovka, Ploshchanka, Makeyevka. Also, with the support of artillery, attacks were carried out in the Stelmahovka area. Military experts believe that individual tactical successes may soon become more significant.

In the Zaporozhye region, Russian artillery is actively working on Ukrainian positions. The strikes are carried out on the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in a number of settlements. These are Plavni, Kamenskoe, Stepnoe, Maly Shcherbaki, Novoandreevka, Orekhov, Novodanilovka, Charovny, Gulyaipolsky, Zeleny Gay, Olgovsky, Zheleznodorozhny and the city of Gulyaipole itself. Interestingly, Ukrainian artillery practically does not work in these areas, which may be due to saving ammunition in case of more active hostilities.

Ukrainian artillery continues shelling residential areas of settlements in Donbass. Thus, Ukrainian troops from the settlement of Tonenkoye fired at the Kyiv district of Donetsk from artillery with a caliber of 155 mm at 9:26 and 9:35 on January 4. Air defense systems went off in the Proletarsky district of Donetsk in the morning.

Meanwhile, the APU continues with the help drones attempts to attack Russian facilities in the depths of Russian territory. Thus, two Ukrainian UAVs were shot down by the air defense forces of the Russian Armed Forces in the Belbek region in Crimea.

Comments

[Victor_B]

I'm afraid that

that PMC "Wagner" was able to break through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the village of Opytnoye

will result in breaking through the first line, and the Ukrainians retreated to pre-prepared positions ...

[Silver99]

The driver of the "Ural" artillery mount is a humorous guy, on the cab there are checkers from a taxi like who ordered a taxi to Kyiv

[fa2998]

Quote from Silver99

on the cab checkers from a taxi like who ordered a taxi to Kyiv

Yes, they don't! With such a pace, 2 months near Bakhmut, it is easier to walk to Kyiv on foot.

[DMFalke]

Uh-huh, with junior. What is the point in a camouflage rag on the hood, when there are checkers on the roof of one of the most visible colors to the human eye. Or so, for a photo they pontanulis and took off.

[voyaka uh]

In this area, all the approaches to the cities and towns of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were carefully shot with artillery and mortars.
The Ukrainians are waiting for the BTG or more often the RTG to move forward to attack into the square and open fire. Only a part of the soldiers break through. And in the evening, unable to gain a foothold, departs back.
It has been so many times.
The losses are big.
The British, for example, are sincerely perplexed, are the Russians so stubbornly breaking into these cities?

[Metallurg_2]

It is necessary not to break, but to use the whole range of heavy broads, including those with a special warhead. 0.2 kilotons per fortified area is enough.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: voyaka uh

The British, for example, are sincerely perplexed that the Russians are so stubbornly breaking into these cities.

So we sincerely do not understand why this stupid beating of the forehead into a concrete wall? Is it really impossible to demolish to hell with dog artillery and TOSs all the oporniks on the outskirts of the city, turning them into smoking pits, and then go around the city? It’s even better, of course, to pour a hundred tons of bombs on these supporters, but here already with an eye on enemy air defense ...

[Konnick]

Is it really impossible to demolish to hell with dog artillery and TOSs all the oporniks on the outskirts of the city, turning them into smoking pits, and then go around the city? It’s even better, of course, to pour a hundred tons of bombs on these supporters, but here already with an eye on enemy air defense ...

That's the thing, it's impossible. Because they are not there. Have you heard the expression "long arm tactics"?
So, there the defense is carried out by artillery dispersed outside the city, and artillery gunners are observing in the city and its environs, both directly on the ground and using UAVs. As soon as they notice the movement or concentration of our units, an artillery or mortar attack is immediately launched. Well-established communication and autonomy of fire control makes it possible to do without pillboxes and other rudiments such as "bunkers" and "fortified areas", only communication passages, often given out by military commanders for trenches. There is no shooting battle in Artemovsk. And for artillery, redirecting fire 10 km to the right or 15 km to the left is a matter of a couple of minutes, not an hour if the units were transferred. For modern types of weapons, the elimination of a stronghold is a matter of a few minutes, well, think about why organize this type of stationary defense? If we are still taught "platoon on the defensive" and "company on the defensive" as a system of support units, then it is sad that this stage of hostilities is already completely outdated. And what the military correspondents write, so they need to write something, justifying the 10-month-long capture of Maryinka, Avdeevka and other "fortified areas". Therefore, it is not clear for whom the "meat grinder". It's not that simple.

[Barberry25]

and therefore the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in the minus there, 1-2 battalions a day go near Bakhmut?

[Terenin]

Quote: Victor_B

I'm afraid that

Be afraid, don't be afraid, and without attack there is no victory.

[novel66]

Gena! but still to break his forehead into the fortified areas ... Stupidly, no?

[Ezekiel 25-17]

We are going wrong: we must start from Lvov and Kyiv.

[Akuzenka]

will result in breaking through the first line, and the Ukrainians retreated to pre-prepared positions ...

Why will it turn around? So it is, just in connection with the catastrophic drop in the level of education and the catastrophic increase in the degree of stupid "patriotism", even taking the chicken coop will be presented to us as the greatest strategic success. Journalists do not understand what a breakthrough is, well, there are no others, they have not been trained. Make allowances for this. But, beat off the line, it's already good.

[Asad]

I watched a video with Prigozhin in the morgue where the bodies of the Wagnerites are. The offensive is very difficult, very. We wish you victory and health.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ASAD

I watched a video with Prigozhin in the morgue where the bodies of the Wagnerites are. The offensive is very difficult, very. We wish you victory and health.

A descendant of Nicholas I (grandmother Gabriel was the tsar's granddaughter) Gabriel Doroshin volunteered for the NVO zone. According to the passport - French, but in the soul - Russian. Nikolai is married to Alina, a native of Donbass. He met her when she was in teacher training college. They got married in Lyon, and a year later they had a daughter, Sophia.
Gabriel first came to Donbass when he was 18 years old. Initially, he wanted to be a photojournalist, but all the equipment was stolen from the guy. After a while, he decided to pick up a machine gun and joined a volunteer detachment. Today he serves as a scout in the Donbass as part of an assault group. “I saw how Europe mentally deteriorates. For my future, I want to be in Russia, not in France. Russia, the Russian spirit is closer to me.

[forty-eighth]

A descendant of Nicholas I (grandmother Gabriel was the tsar's granddaughter) Gabriel Doroshin volunteered for the NVO zone. According to the passport - French, but in the soul - Russian. Nikolai is married to Alina, a native of Donbass.

Beautiful fairy tale. Too bad it's a lie from start to finish.

[isv000]

Quote: forty-eighth

Beautiful fairy tale. Too bad it's a lie from start to finish.

You look for a refutation, and for now we are leaving the minuses to you ...

[forty-eighth]

Leave. I'm frankly too lazy to refute stupid crap. All descendants of the imperial dynasty are counted by name. Gavriil Doroshin is not among them. Especially those Gabriels who in the middle of the tale change their name to Nikolai

[Nikolay310]

Well, if you stubbornly break into the forehead on the fortifications, then what other options ??? it’s only blessed ones who don’t have losses .. and Prigogine is a good fellow, he shows all these lovers of fairy tales grandmother konashenkov’s war without embellishment

[Leader_Barmaleev]

I have already really lost count of articles that begin with the words Russian troops broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Experimental area near Artemovsk. Maybe it's enough to brag about every sneeze, and ONCE, when the time comes, say - Russian troops took and cleared Artyomovsk!
I wish our guys victory! Journalists / bloggers and other talkers - stop running ahead of the locomotive and not spoil the joy of victory, but best of all - go to the front line and from there give an objective picture, and if there are no movements, then keep quiet.

[Kronos]

Strelkov wrote that Artemovsk was unlikely to be taken as long as the enemy had the ability to transfer reserves and ammunition.

[topol717]

It is not at all clear why take it. A remote mining machine was recently shown here.
To mine all the entrances to the city, after 3 months, they themselves will hand over.

[Guran33 Sergey]

Has the thought adopted any law protecting our generals in the NWO from foreign courts, tribunals? At least a copy of the American one, which prohibits judging their servicemen for Iraq? In! Therefore, such cautious, tolerant actions on the outskirts! And this is one of the reasons that strategists do not fill up these cities with three tons of cast iron. It takes about 10,000 to 15,000 seconds for a beech to reach 40-120 meters, depending on the distance, do not fighters shoot down a dozen other missiles during this time? spices share infoy teapot?

[skeptick2]

Quote: Leader_Barmaleev

Maybe it's enough to brag about every sneeze, and ONCE, when the time comes, say - Russian troops took and cleared Artyomovsk!

Already spoke.
If you do not write these cheerful reports every day, then there will be nothing to write about at all. And you have to write and speak. So there are daily reports about the capture of the next outskirts, streets or houses.
Here I am collecting material about the "destroyed" aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (interesting, by the way, figures emerge) and came across a note titled "It is reported that the Ukrainian garrison in Avdiivka has fallen into a semicircle." Do you know what date it is? July 18!!!
Since then, nothing has changed... Every day there are reports about Artemovsk, Avdiivka, Svatovo... About the fact that someone broke through somewhere, got out somewhere, seized something, liberated it, cleared it, cleared it out.. .
And nothing has changed.
Will we wait for the capture of Bakhmut on the anniversary of the NWO?

[dmi.pris1]

You would specify what anniversary and in what year. Personally, looking at this mess, I realized that Victory cannot be achieved.

[Pantsuy]

Quote from: skeptick2

And nothing has changed.

I'm afraid the cart might move in the wrong direction. Exactly the same situation was in the summer. We cheerfully reported on advances of 10 meters a day, on "grinding the enemy", on hundreds of destroyed enemies. How it turned out then, everyone remembers very well. So, such "offensives" are somehow alarming.

[Leader_Barmaleev]

And nothing has changed.

Over the past six months, almost nothing has changed on this map, only Kherson and Balakleya have become blue, and the central part does not change at all. Every day I look and wait for the red to the left ... AND NOTHING IS HAPPENING, but peppy reports to Benin's mother ...

[Wizzzard]

"Are we going to wait for the capture of Bakhmut on the anniversary of the NWO?" No. We will not. Let's wait for a gesture of goodwill.

[IvanR]

Is this already a breakthrough?
https://topwar.ru/207926-rossijskie-sily-s-bojami-zashli-v-artemovsk-s-juga.html

[Stirbjorn]

throughout August, the Sands were taken every three days, now they go to Artemovsk, similarly

[zenion]

At least they broke through in the right direction, otherwise they will have to fight back from themselves.

[paul3390]

Of course, I didn’t graduate from the Academy of the General Staff, but I absolutely do not understand these many months of attempts to break through the fortified areas of the ukrovermacht in the forehead .. You read - and it feels like the year is 1916, the battle of Verdun .. And the whole subsequent hundred-year history of the development of military affairs is simply not there was .. There was no Guderian, no Manstein, no Göpner, no Rokossovsky, no Bagramyan, no Konev, no Vasilevsky, no Katukov .. Yes, in general - even Hannibal with his bypass on the flanks was not!

[Pulkovo1942]

these months-long attempts to break through the fortified areas of the ukrovermacht in the forehead are decisively incomprehensible

What can be incomprehensible here? Depopulation of the Slavic population in the post-Soviet space.

[private person]

Yes, in general - there was not even Hannibal with his bypass on the flanks!

So there is no clear front line there. In the village, half of the half is ours, and as Prigozhin said, fierce battles for every house.

[B-15]

You think before you write. Of course, you mentioned that you did not graduate from the academies. I didn't finish either. But I understand that for the environment it is required to have a preponderance of forces of at least three times. Hold the existing front, surround and hold the new outer front.
Therefore, it is not worth condemning and referring to operations during the Second World War. There we had a numerical superiority in the breakthrough areas by more than three times.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: B-15

You think before you write. Of course, you mentioned that you did not graduate from the academies. I didn't finish either. But I understand that for the environment it is required to have a preponderance of forces of at least three times. Hold the existing front, surround and hold the new outer front.
Therefore, it is not worth condemning and referring to operations during the Second World War. There we had a numerical superiority in the breakthrough areas by more than three times.

You speak correctly. Only three times you exaggerated.
But this is not the point, but the one who prevented the creation of an advantage in forces and means from the very beginning.
Templates and inertness, unprofessionalism and megalomania of those who planned the operation?
Who was going to one left?.

[vlad2000]

you didn’t finish, but someone finished)))) the most important question. Why, if you didn’t have numerical superiority, did you get into this adventure at all? The answer is simple. There are two troubles in Russia.

[B-15]

If this is an adventure for you, then for many it is not.
If you throw the available units stupidly to break through from the flanks, then it’s not a fact that this is exactly what is expected of us in order to hit the attacking columns and make a strike in another, weakened, place.
And talking publicly about our ideas can only be in the minds of fools and traitors. Don't find?

[1razvgod]

Why, then, without having the necessary densities, a numerical advantage in the attacked areas, the personnel are thrown into an assault on the already destroyed city?!?!

[Planem]

Pavel expressed his bewilderment at the strange actions of the leadership of the RF Armed Forces against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which is quite justified. But you really need to think, and also study history before teaching others. First, it is far from always necessary to have a 3-fold superiority of forces in order to encircle enemy troops. This is when they step on the forehead, it is necessary, but bypassing it is not necessary. In most large environments during the Second World War, it just did not exist. That the Wehrmacht took the troops of the Western Allies and the Red Army into the boilers in 1939-1942, that ours then took the troops of the Wehrmacht and its allies most often, without having such an advantage. To do this, one must have the initiative, be able to plan operations, bypassing the fortified positions of the enemy, and have a large superiority in forces and means, including, and even above all, in combat and other equipment, in means of fire destruction. Secondly, it is necessary to count and take into account not only the number of troops, but also the number of units of military and other equipment, as well as their quality and condition. Thirdly, the RF Armed Forces have a colossal superiority over the Ukrainian Armed Forces in terms of forces and means, but most of them are not used in the war against the Kyiv regime or are used passively. While we see a strange war. It is not yet clear why Russia's VPR is not in a hurry to win it. Either it is a matter of business interests, or in foreign policy and foreign economic interests, or is it some other political expediency of the supreme power of Russia.

[paul3390]

Either it is a matter of business interests, or in foreign policy and foreign economic interests, or is it some other political expediency of the supreme power of Russia.

Because the true goals of this type of special operation seem to be infinitely far from the officially declared ones ...

[paul3390]

for the environment it is required to have a preponderance of forces at least three times

Eh - you should tell Hannibal near Cannes ..

[paul3390]

But I understand that for the environment it is required to have a preponderance of forces of at least three times.

As I understand it, for a frontal assault on a fortified area, a preponderance of forces is not needed ?? Only for the environment?

[Pantsuy]

Quote: B-15

But I understand that for the environment it is required to have a preponderance of forces of at least three times. Hold the existing front, surround and hold the new outer front.
Therefore, it is not worth condemning and referring to operations during the Second World War. There we had a numerical superiority in breakthrough areas more than three times

So what prevents this advantage from being created? let the mobilization be carried out, the equipment removed from storage. Or we will stupidly lay down in frontal attacks those who have just joined the ranks with their mobilization. There is a war going on, it is necessary to do the job, and not talk about the superiority of the enemy.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: B-15

But I understand that for the environment it is required to have a preponderance of forces of at least three times.

The advantage is required in a specific section of the breakthrough, and not on the entire front line

[spirit]

, no Rokossovsky, no Bagramyan, no Konev, no Vasilevsky, no Katukov .. Yes, in general - even Hannibal

Another 10-15 years under the control of such strategists as Shoigu and Gerasimov, I would not be surprised that we will go on the attack in tight formation to the full height to the beat of drums

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: spirit

, no Rokossovsky, no Bagramyan, no Konev, no Vasilevsky, no Katukov .. Yes, in general - even Hannibal

Another 10-15 years under the control of such strategists as Shoigu and Gerasimov, I would not be surprised that we will go on the attack in tight formation to the full height to the beat of drums

Yeah ... square. And the cavalry - peaks for battle, sabers out.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Yeah ... square. And the cavalry - peaks for battle, sabers out.

yeah, how is it with the classic “Spit on the economy,” Schweik advised. “It’s better to give your life for the emperor. Isn’t that what you were taught in military service?”

[seamen2]

reading this .. I remembered the Soviet film * His battalion *.

[dmi.pris1]

The whole point is that for detours, encirclement and subsequent strangulation, a lot of forces, weapons, equipment are needed. They simply do not exist. Something remains in the fairy tales of Konashenkov and Marochka, something is knocked out, something is simply inoperative. or who is not there.

[Sebostyuan]

In general, I agree with you. But in fact, all these fights are local fights. It doesn't happen like this, "The guys disperse to shelters and wait for the operation Mars or Bagration to begin."

[topol717]

The command to think was not given to the military, they were ordered to take the city.
This is the army, everything is always like that.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: paul3390

Of course, I didn’t graduate from the Academy of the General Staff, but I absolutely do not understand these many months of attempts to break through the fortified areas of the ukrovermacht in the forehead .. You read - and it feels like the year is 1916, the battle of Verdun .. And the whole subsequent hundred-year history of the development of military affairs is simply not there was .. There was no Guderian, no Manstein, no Göpner, no Rokossovsky, no Bagramyan, no Konev, no Vasilevsky, no Katukov .. Yes, in general - even Hannibal with his bypass on the flanks was not!

I didn’t graduate from academies either, but even now I can draw a bunch of arrows showing how you can avoid head-on collisions and at the same time cut communications, surround groups and settlements. At the same time, of course, there will be losses, but these are losses with a result, and not stupid throwing reserves into a meat grinder (do not forget that they die equally on both sides).
In response, I will immediately receive a bunch of minuses and they will call me a couch strategist, they will advise me to go to the military registration and enlistment office, but the fact remains - there is no advance and no offensive. As there are no tactics, no military tactics and strategy. You are right - our generals remained in development at the level of World 1.

[paul3390]

"Military affairs are simple and quite accessible to a sound mind of a person. But fighting is hard."(c)

[Alexandr2637]

Duc, it seems that they already entered Artyomovsk (according to the VO news), and now again they "broke through the defense" in .... the suburbs .... What the?.....

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, they knock us out of there. That's "what the?"

[Herman 4223]

We entered the eastern part of the city and a little from the south. In total, only 1/4 of the city is controlled. In the suburbs, the fighting also goes on and does not stop.

[StarWarrior]

And then the attackers will run into the no less equipped and fortified line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Konstantinovka - Druzhkovka - Kramatorsk - Slavyansk - Krasny Liman.
What kind of ingenious tactic is this - to break through concrete walls with your forehead?
Or do women still give birth?
Could it have been possible to repeat Operation Uranus last summer and surround the entire Donbans grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with converging strikes from Balakliya - Lozovaya - Pavlograd - Gulyaipole, cut it off from the Dnieper and Kharkov, from supplies?

[petroglyph]

For such strikes, resources are needed - equipment and human resources ... Neither one nor the other was available in the amount needed for this in the summer.

[StarWarrior]

This means that it is necessary to change the format of the war - to transfer the economy to a military footing, to mobilize at least 2 million people, provide them with weapons and attack on a large scale so that no defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can withstand.

[vlad2000]

sorry for the question .... who to mobilize? well, you wrote about two million there. who is this? here you are, instead of a machine gun, scribble from the couch with your keyboard. apparently it’s sweeter to die)) why did they decide that the rest want to climb under the bullets for people like you and the children of our elite?)) show an example. people for mobilization))

[StarWarrior]

A typical method of government propaganda - "why aren't you in the trenches yet?"
Yes, because one in the field is not a warrior.
We need a normal mobilization of the country, not these 300 thousand.
Do you think I alone can show you an example and break through the multi-layered defense that was built in the Donbass for 8 years due to Putin's carelessness in 2014?
Or is it still the duty of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to determine the sufficiency of forces and means to defeat the enemy?
I will go if 1999999 more citizens of the Russian Federation are involved with me.
Or another option - give me the place of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and I will correctly and clearly set the task and all the generals and ministers of the Russian Federation with cancer for the sake of its implementation.

[Pantsuy]

Quote from StarWarrior

Or another option - give me the place of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and I will correctly and clearly set the task and all the generals and ministers of the Russian Federation with cancer for the sake of its implementation.

[dmi.pris1]

Let the kids of our "elite" set an example of valor and self-sacrifice. Otherwise, it is not clear to people, FOR WHAT? Are Russian guys dying there?

[Wizzzard]

Two million mobilized ... And put on shoes, show Kalash at least from afar, provide a rookery, and feed parasites ... And most importantly: provide motivation. Real, and not the one that "denatsi" and "demili" ...

[StarWarrior]

This is quite realistic if a significant part of the economy and industry is switched over to a defense order. Yes, with civilian goods it will be a little more difficult. But this is the time. In Great Britain during the Second World War, they did not ask why there were few goods, although there was a democracy.

[Nikolay310]

in the Russian army for the summer of last year there were no resources of equipment ??????????????? I'm sorry, but where did they come from now ...

further about human resources ... or maybe it was worth it for some #non-fools# from the General Staff to develop the operation better, and not wait for meetings with flowers ??? and not to stomp parade columns under NATO satellites???

The other day, Prigozhin clearly showed you what these frontal assaults lead to ... and how much of this remained hidden, for example, in the same Avdiivka?

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: Petroglyph

For such strikes, resources are needed - equipment and human resources ... Neither one nor the other was available in the amount needed for this in the summer.

And who's to blame for not being there? As Lieutenant General Gurudev said, it was necessary to count.
And who thought so? And did these accountants answer or not, that because of their jambs such losses?
Here the Ministry of Defense stated that the perpetrators would answer for Makiivka, but for something else?

[Metallurg_2]

And they also traded for unlocking the frozen assets of Abramovich, damned hucksters.

[U_GOREC]

Quote from StarWarrior

It was possible to repeat Operation Uranus last summer

Last summer? What forces? More than a million soldiers participated in Operation Uranus from our side ...

[Herman 4223]

What to surround? It was already clear to me at the beginning of March that there would be no encirclement. Mobilization was not announced, in the ground forces there are only 8 divisions and 26 brigades slightly larger than a regiment. And from this composition, only countermen were thrown into battle, that is, in a heavily depleted composition.

[Pantsuy]

Quote from StarWarrior

Could it have been possible to repeat Operation Uranus last summer and surround the entire Donbans grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with converging strikes from Balakliya - Lozovaya - Pavlograd - Gulyaipole, cut it off from the Dnieper and Kharkov, from supplies?

Unfortunately, Shoigu and Gerasimov are not Zhukov or Vasilevsky at all. Their brains are not enough for such large-scale tasks, but they remained at the level of the bearded men squeezing out their villages in Syria

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

All my life it seemed to me that a breakthrough in defense is when mobile forces are introduced into the breakthrough, which crush the second echelons and rear. Well, then comes the environment.

The author clearly knows the correct meaning of these words. In vain I finished akaMedia ... / mockingly smiles / :)

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

Quote from StarWarrior

And then the attackers will run into the no less equipped and fortified line of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Konstantinovka - Druzhkovka - Kramatorsk - Slavyansk - Krasny Liman.
What kind of ingenious tactic is this - to break through concrete walls with your forehead?
Or do women still give birth?
Could it have been possible to repeat Operation Uranus last summer and surround the entire Donbans grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with converging strikes from Balakliya - Lozovaya - Pavlograd - Gulyaipole, cut it off from the Dnieper and Kharkov, from supplies?

What do you think is the purpose of the war?

You speak as if the goal is to defeat U as soon as possible. And if not?
There can be many options.
For example, creating the prerequisites for the collapse of NATO. Or the genocide of the Russian people (don't care - big or small) You can offer your own options.

[StarWarrior]

In my opinion, the purpose of the special military operation in Ukraine is this. Otherwise, it was not worth it to get in there at all.

[dmi.pris1]

Do you think that we have enough strength to achieve this goal?

[StarWarrior]

Certainly not.
But the Russians, unlike the Germans, always fill themselves with a bunch of bumps first and make huge sacrifices, which in the end make the only right decision.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from StarWarrior

In my opinion, the purpose of the special military operation in Ukraine is this. Otherwise, it was not worth it to get in there at all.

So it’s nothing, just how to feed them, but the Russian Guard needs to keep 1 million.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote from StarWarrior

In my opinion, the purpose of the special military operation in Ukraine is this.

Such a map, it’s like a fantasy ... I’m not at all sure that they are waiting for us in the same Odessa or Nikolaev, given the anger of people / brainwashing + especially if one of the relatives is in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and if it died through our fault, then moreover, loyalty is negative there ...

And it makes no sense to talk about the central regions and to the west, all the more. It will take years, if not a decade, to work with the population, to change their internal position and views on this conflict + they will have to keep a huge contingent of the military in order to control the situation .... the CTO regime - for many, many years.

Although maybe not everything is so scary and they really are waiting for us, but there are some big doubts.

[StarWarrior]

The population of the central part of Ukraine was 300 years old in the Russian Empire. For 50 - 100 years of proper education, the Russian language in the media, in the state and municipal service, in all government bodies, Russian literature and history will do their job. The main thing now is to liberate these territories, we will denazify the remnants of the population there.

[Pantsuy]

Quote from StarWarrior

In my opinion, the purpose of the special military operation in Ukraine is this. Otherwise, it was not worth it to get in there at all.

Now, if the president did not grind something veiled, but immediately showed this map to the people and said that this is our goal, then now all the fighters would know what they are fighting for. And all the tasks would be set precisely for this goal - so that the entire green part on the map becomes Russia, and those who do not like it - move a little to the west to live.

[Wizzzard]

Here I recall an old anecdote: "Eat something he eat, but who can give him? .."

[Ulan.1812]

It is rightly noted that the goals can be political.
Or rather, they can’t even, but they are.
This is the reformatting of the entire world order and the creation of a new system of global security.
And then Ukraine is only the first stage.
The West must be forced to sit down at the negotiating table on our terms.
Then the statements become clear - grain by grain, we are not in a hurry and save lives, and so on.

[StarWarrior]

The US, EU and NATO will sit down at the negotiating table only when Russian tanks are on the streets of Kyiv and Odessa.
It is foolish to convince an undefeated enemy that it is beneficial for him to negotiate with a weak, defeat after defeat, regroup and gestures of goodwill by the enemy.

[Herman 4223]

NATO will sit down at the negotiating table when there is a threat directly to NATO, whether we will be in Kyiv or retreat to Voronezh does not matter. The war in Ukraine creates an agenda under which such a threat will appear for them. And then there will be negotiations.

[dmi.pris1]

Save lives ??? Head-on attacking a fortified area for one month?

[hellcos]

I understand that Experienced has been going back and forth since August. The news is clearly not for those who closely follow the events, and why is it on this site?

[tralflot1832]

Or maybe we’ll wait until Prigozhin himself says this. One such victory report, he already smashed to smithereens the other day.

[dmi.pris1]

That's right. You need to brag when this Artemovsk is taken and retained

[Ulan.1812]

The consequences of the fact that they gave the Ukroshumers time to build powerful fortifications for eight years.
Even the president admitted that it was necessary to annex the Donbass in the 14th.
Would have avoided many problems and victims.
And Mariupol would be intact.
But as folk wisdom says, if I knew where to fall, I would lay straws.
Politics... go for it.

[StarWarrior]

The fact that it was necessary to start the NWO in 2014 was clear even then to every smart person in Russia.
But the Supreme was afraid of personal sanctions against the oligarchs of the Russian Federation, when Swiss President Burghalter suddenly arrived in Moscow on May 6, 2014.
The threat worked.

[barbiturate]

Why make loud headlines about breakthroughs if there are no tools for a breakthrough themselves - powerful mobile formations and there is no readiness to lose aviation, but to ensure air superiority. There is also no numerical superiority. There is a systematic pushing back and grinding the enemy.
So far I consider the tactics chosen by our command to be correct - the realization of superiority in firepower and exhausting the enemy will sooner or later give results. Soon we will begin to stretch dill along the front.

[Kronos]

Grinding the enemy in positional battles is mutual.

[barbiturate]

there have already been articles about 1 to 30 losses in Artemovsky and about 10 times (minimum) superiority in artillery, which is why ours are moving forward as soon as the next brigade of ukrov stupidly ends.

[Kronos]

These are articles from the category and you say.

[barbiturate]

well, tell us that they are lying to us and there is a systematic grinding of Russian units and name the units, otherwise they call the units in the articles, they call them in the cart, but I didn’t read the truth from you

[Kronos]

There is a positional meat grinder with equal losses, as long as the Ukrainians can replenish ammunition and bring people up, they can defend Artemovsk for many more months.

[Ghost1]

A lot of what was written in the articles was yes, these 10 months, it would be all right, so we would already be further than now in the offensive plan.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: barbiturate

there have already been articles about 1 to 30 losses in Artemovsky and about 10 times (minimum) superiority in artillery, which is why ours are moving forward as soon as the next brigade of ukrov stupidly ends.

It seems to me that we simply do not know about our losses, but should stupidly believe about 1 to 30.

[barbiturate]

most of the decadent comments show that either children write, or provocateurs and on the salary of the enemy - they sit and write that everything is gone and we are being deceived, in warmth and safety on the territory of Russia.
If you had to stupidly believe, you would not be allowed to write your opinion here, they won’t tell you the truth that you want to believe in - believe that losses on the contrary and cowardly prisoners with marines in Russia will simply end, and a couple of volleys of Hymars will soon put on the knees of Putin's idiot generals

[cat Rusich]

Quote: barbiturate

and about 10 times (minimum) superiority in artillery, which is why ours move forward as soon as the next ukrov brigade ends stupidly.

superiority in artillery = enemy artillery is silent.
In the Donbass, the art of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is constantly hitting Donetsk, where is the superiority ???
What stops you from creating fire wave and just follow him? - enemy artillery interferes, which means that the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has not been destroyed.
That's when all, precisely all the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is destroyed, then a real offensive will be possible, and the capture of strongholds once a month.

[Serge9901]

I don't agree. Such tactics would instantly work to influence a civilized country with a developed statehood, history, culture, but not in a proxy conflict, where the lives of aborigines are worthless. In our case, the overseas master needs either territorial losses or critical, I emphasize critical damage to the economy of the puppets. In the short term (five years for sure), this is not visible. And, most alarmingly, there are almost no hopes that the GDP as a magician will get some "trump cards" and "start to fight" - there is almost no left. Especially after the statements about "us deceived" and instructions to deal with the provision of soldiers with everything necessary after a year (!!!) of a military operation. What needs to improve radically in order for the situation to improve significantly? Mobilization was carried out. Factories (outside such a window) work at face value, but they release what we see and this is not HIMARS with MGM-140 (big hello to the Minister of Defense), but the delivery of ATACMS is a matter of time and nightmare of some of the same ones delivered in the summer , 20-30 installations will be up to the Volga. They have plenty of MANPADS and air defense systems and our aviation is only out of reach, we will not use tactical nuclear weapons (there will not be enough will). The bottom line: in a couple of years, reach the borders of Kramatorsk or something 20-50 kilometers away, without achieving any "denazification" or some other "de ..", laying down the lives of the best guys - such an idea ... Alas and ah . And - most importantly - to die for a state in which the elite are the people who plundered the USSR and their children with the level of prosperity / culture / upbringing / untouchability of Ksyusha Sobchak - you will think about it. Now the guys are dying heroically for their homeland, that's why they are called up from the villages and regional centers, where the consciousness is unclouded by Moscow liberalism.

[barbiturate]

Well, let's see who is right, whether there is any damage to the puppet economy or not, and whether people are robots, to die endlessly, at the same time we'll see how many millions of parasites Western countries will feed.
There are a lot of military factories and I have a lot in the city and I know the plans for their products, but I won’t surprise you. From the Hymars, I don’t share your sacred awe, because the same Iskanders and Calibers delivered much more accurate blows and buried the enemies, but the successes of the Hymars ended in the summer, and if it weren’t for stupidity in Makeevka, then what could they boast of over the past six months?
ATACMS is a very expensive missile and it’s good if there are two in a salvo, but rather one, an excellent target for air defense, or do you think that Russia, having fired hundreds of Iskanders and thousands of other missiles, made the ukrov only laugh, and will itself kneel when hit by a couple of thousand ATACMS ( of which amers don’t have as many, and they won’t put them) of which 2/3 at least will be shot down?
So in a couple of years, maybe we’ll reach the outskirts of Slavyansk, or maybe not, while I don’t see such a goal for the leadership, no breakthrough tools are being created, but presenting industry plans for production by 2024, I can allow the creation of large combined arms formations for normal war, only a couple of calls need to be made, to declare war and strengthen discipline.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: barbiturate

Well, let's see who is right, is there any damage to the puppet economy or not ...

Putin himself said on TV ...
"We pump gas through the GTS - we pay $ to Ukraine for pumping - Ukraine" wrinkles ", but takes $ ..."
Russia itself gives $ to Ukraine - after all, this not war, but NWO ...

[JonnyT]

We went in, now we need to get out alive ...... everything is in the fortifications there, the enemy is actively maneuvering, thereby leveling the small advances of our troops, the enemy has more reserves, as well as the ability to transfer drugs and equipment to dangerous directions ... ...
Probably fighting with the tactics of small assault groups will not bring success, well, our attack aircraft will kill them and take their positions, so they will bring new meat to ready-made new positions .....

I am more and more inclined to think that I will have to fight like in the Second World War - go in a huge avalanche - infantry, tanks, artillery at a distance

[Kronos]

A huge avalanche of tanks will now simply be destroyed by artillery, anti-tank systems. You really need a lot of infantry and artillery.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Ghost1

A huge avalanche of tanks will now simply be destroyed by artillery, anti-tank systems.

easy to destroy 2 - 3 tanks. Right now, so many are going on the so-called "offensives". With quite predictable results. But if it really is an avalanche of 30-40 tanks, then it is unlikely that an artillery battery or anti-tank systems will be able to stop it.

[Kronos]

Already during the Great Patriotic War, the Germans stopped avalanche strikes from heavy tanks of the kv type due to unsuppressed artillery and good cooperation between troops.

[Vincent price]

And who will run in the avalanche? We have no more than 20 million 30-10 year olds in the country. A couple of your avalanches and Russia will disappear on its own.

[Ghost1]

After all, they are shooting at Donetsk from that territory, and the shelling is only growing, which indicates that the enemy still feels good there.
I'm guessing it's all for the long haul.

[Vincent price]

Ude 4 or 5 defense breakthrough for an experienced one. Well done. A couple more decades and they will move on to cleaning up

[AdAstra]

Laughed at khhlami in February, and now look how everything turned out.

[Hindu]

Quote: barbiturate

.... I don’t share your sacred awe from the Hymars .....

You must have been lucky to survive in Makiivka. So that's why he's so rude?

[Alt 22]

We already hear about such breakthroughs quite often, but the front has stood still, if there is an advance, then at a snail's pace, and news of this type is like this - "After long and intense battles, we captured half of the village of Staronovo Alekseevka."
WWI, a large-scale war on the eve of the fall of the Empire.

[VORON538]

Well, yes, in your dill propaganda there is such a thing as "the fall of the Empire" (some stupid clowns all ballet some to hold a parade on Amer's tanks near the Kremlin), you can't wait, a resident of Lviv alt. I tell you as a resident of Russia from the Far East. We have there are also similar fools who predict the fall of another country, but at least no one appoints the governor of Alaska or California, unlike you Ukrainians. I would take care of my own problems, and not stick around on Russian sites. ?

[Horn]

Quote: Petroglyph

For such strikes, resources are needed - equipment and human resources ... Neither one nor the other was available in the amount needed for this in the summer.

For such strikes, only one thing is needed: stop licking off "Western partners" and just start fighting. Both at the front and in the rear. Yes, and one more thing: to repress the entire supreme power. Both political and financial, and the military elite.

[chingachguc]

There is nothing to break through. Each house is a line. More promising to work for the environment