Soviet propaganda at the end of Stalinism and the Khrushchev era. Press and de-Stalinization

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Soviet propaganda at the end of Stalinism and the Khrushchev era. Press and de-Stalinization
Article in Pravda about Khrushchev's meeting with Kennedy


1945 was the peak year in the development of Soviet propaganda. The victory in the war was of great moral significance, millions of people not only in the USSR, but also in Western Europe and even in the USA began to sympathize with communist ideas. Communist parties in the capitalist countries have never been as strong as they were in the early post-war years. This means that Soviet propaganda at that time was indeed strong and convincing. Of course, this by no means means that she was more truthful at that time than at other periods. However, the peak of the persuasiveness of propaganda did not last long, and soon its slow but steady degradation began.



We continue the series of articles on Soviet propaganda, and today we will talk about the period from 1946 to 1964.

Common Features of Propaganda in 1946-1964


Soviet propaganda in the last years of Stalin's rule differed little from what it was in the 1930s. The differences were that absolutely all the “nuts” that could only be tightened were now “twisted”, and everyone who openly expressed doubts about the correctness of the propaganda postulates was now either dead, either in the Gulag, or at best in emigration. Of course, there were those who disagreed with the regime, but the instinct of self-preservation prompted them to keep their mouths shut. And all this in the aggregate could not but give rise to the events that occurred shortly after Stalin's death.

The situation was drastically changed by the 1956th Congress of the CPSU that followed in XNUMX and the official condemnation of Stalin's personality cult and some of his repressions. Dissenters have now ceased to be silent, they began to be called dissidents, which, translated from Latin, means "dissenters, dissenters."

Interestingly, in the first wave of dissidents, surprisingly, there were many ideological Marxists for whom Lenin was the political ideal. They spoke mainly against Stalinism, which, in their opinion, deviated significantly from the "true" Leninist path. All this suggests that the impact of official propaganda was enormous. And even the XNUMXth Congress only loosened some of the "nuts", but did not shake the basic tenets.

As before, Soviet propaganda was devoid of any competition. However, the complete absence of competition brought benefits to the regime only in the short term. In the long term, it was the lack of competition that led to the inevitable degradation of propaganda. If we draw an analogy, we can compare this with an athlete who has been running alone on a treadmill for many years. He understands well that no matter how he runs, he will still come to the finish line first and only. And he starts running at full speed. And soon he gets used to running like that. But as soon as at least one competitor appears on the treadmill, the leader of the race immediately changes: the athlete accustomed to running slowly remains far behind. With Soviet propaganda, this is exactly what happened in the end.

Press reviews


The press in this period continued to play the role of one of the main mouthpieces of propaganda. It was still completely controlled by the state and covered almost the entire population of the country. Since newspapers were produced in huge circulations and were very cheap, they could be found even in the most remote villages of the country.

At the end of Stalin's rule, the ideologization of newspapers reached its peak. The headlines of articles and notes looked like slogans, the materials themselves continued to pour streams of flattery against the country's leadership and violent attacks against enemies. As in the 1930s, the newspapers did not write about any real problems of the country: only victories and only achievements, often very exaggerated. Therefore, it is not surprising that in any Soviet newspaper of 1946-1953 you will not find any mention of hunger, or rampant banditry, or many other topics unpleasant for the authorities.

After Stalin's death, the situation gradually began to change. Censorship was somewhat weakened, in particular, after the XX Congress, the first mention of those illegally repressed in the 1930s appeared. The fact that one of the perpetrators of these repressions was Khrushchev himself, of course, was modestly kept silent.

Very limited criticism of individual economic miscalculations on the ground was also allowed, if it was sanctioned from above. Criticism of the regime's political decisions was still out of the question. In the same way, under Khrushchev, criticism of ideological dogmas was not allowed, they were still "the only true ones." Naturally, all the decisions of the authorities were “only correct”.

And yet, if we compare the press of the Khrushchev era with the Stalin era in general, it should be noted that it has become an order of magnitude closer to real life, less aggressive, a little less biased. Propagandists now could not be afraid to end up in a concentration camp just because they did not scold enough those who were ordered to scold.

The changes also affected magazines. So, in the "New World" in 1962, with the knowledge of Khrushchev, Alexander Solzhenitsyn's story "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" was published, which brought its author world fame and for the first time sharply raised the topic of political prisoners in the USSR. The following year, this story was published as a separate book.

However, these limited improvements did not last long. Already after the removal of Khrushchev, and especially after the entry of Soviet troops into Czechoslovakia, control over Soviet propaganda was again strengthened.


Izvestia, April 18, 1961

De-Stalinization in propaganda


After the XNUMXth Congress of the CPSU condemned Stalin's personality cult, de-Stalinization became a new topic in Soviet propaganda. If a year before the congress, all Soviet textbooks, newspapers, magazines and books said that Stalin was the greatest figure of our time, “a great leader and teacher”, now for the first time they began to mention the victims of his rule, illegal repressions, deviations from “ the only correct" Leninist teaching.

Even during his lifetime, thousands of monuments were erected to Stalin, many cities, enterprises and streets were named in his honor. Now mass renaming began: Stalingrad became Volgograd, Stalino - Donetsk, Stalinabad - Dushanbe, etc. All the monuments were soon demolished, and in 1961 the remains of Stalin himself were taken out of the mausoleum and buried near the Kremlin wall.

From the mid-1920s to the early 1950s, Stalin's name was mentioned in a positive context in many films, books, songs and other works. Now it has been removed from everywhere. Fragments were cut out of films, couplets were cut out of songs. So, the mention of Stalin was removed from the Soviet anthem, and from the well-known song “Broad is my native country” the verse was removed, where there were lines:

“In golden letters we write the nationwide Stalinist law.”

So, in practice, the well-known phrase of George Orwell from the novel "1984" that

"Who owns the present, he also owns the past."


The head of the demolished monument to Stalin during the Hungarian uprising of 1956

It must also be said that the vast majority of Soviet propagandists, who until recently praised Stalin and poured streams of flattery on him, happily accepted de-Stalinization and now insisted that in reality Stalin was a criminal, and it is unacceptable to praise him. Thus, Ilya Ehrenburg, who in the 1940s was considered by many to be Stalin's close propagandist, not only supported the de-Stalinization in 1956, but also openly opposed the rehabilitation of Stalin 10 years later, signing an open letter from thirteen figures of Soviet science, literature and art to the Central Committee Presidium CPSU. This letter contained the following lines:

"Stalin's rehabilitation in any form would be a disaster for our country and for the whole cause of communism."

By the way, Ehrenburg himself denied in his memoirs that he was close to Stalin in the 1940s:

“In the eyes of millions of readers, I was a writer who could go to Stalin and tell him that I did not agree with him about something. In fact, I was the same "wheel" and "cog" as my readers."

Ilya Ehrenburg
Ilya Ehrenburg

De-Stalinization was also supported by the famous poet Alexander Tvardovsky, who in the 1930s sang collectivization in the poem "Country Ant". It must be said that the poet had good reasons not to like Stalin: in the 1930s, his parents and brothers were dispossessed and exiled during the same collectivization. Nevertheless, Tvardovsky decided to openly speak out against Stalinism after the death of the dictator.

Alexander Twardowski
Alexander Twardowski

As you can see, yesterday's Stalinists, when the political situation changed, sharply became anti-Stalinists. Such "changing shoes" of propagandists is not uncommon, but rather a regularity. The next time mass “changing shoes” will take place in the early 1990s, when the recent communists suddenly become democrats.
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  1. +8
    5 January 2023 05: 17

    As you can see, yesterday's Stalinists, when the political situation changed, sharply became anti-Stalinists

    After Putin leaves the Olympus of power, the same thing may happen to his loyal associates... request this has happened more than once in the history of Russia.
    And so these swings with propaganda and power do not bring anything good to our country ... every time a new catastrophe and a new discord in society ... apparently this is a pattern.
    1. +3
      5 January 2023 07: 28
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      every time a new catastrophe and a new discord in society

      But smaller! People are getting smarter, but slowly.
      1. +4
        5 January 2023 10: 37
        Good morning, colleagues .
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, in my opinion, the biggest trouble in the USSR and Russia is that the LAW does not work.
        And this law should be the same for everyone.
        If the law ruled , there would be no repressions .
        And without law, "telephone law" works, when any high party leader could demand from the prosecutor and judges any sentence he needed.
        The same problems arise in other states, where you can put pressure on the right people and achieve your result.
        Therefore, it is necessary, first of all, to achieve the fulfillment of all laws, and especially people in power must comply with them.
        And the A-bomb would have been created in Russia one way or another, because Russia is a big and great country.
        1. +1
          5 January 2023 11: 06
          Quote: smith 55
          And this law should be the same for everyone. If the law ruled, there would be no repression

          The law is the same only for the heirs of the Western Roman Empire, who have absorbed, like a sponge, all their legal heritage. We are the heirs of Eastern Rome, and this is a little different ...
          1. +2
            5 January 2023 16: 13
            By the way, about Rome in the context of law enforcement.
            Early Rome.
            Naturally, the aristocrats wrote laws for themselves, which allowed them to create chaos in relation to the plebs.
            The plebs did not dare to rise up, because the military force was on the side of the aristocracy.
            And then the plebeians came up with a kind of action of disobedience.
            They collected some belongings and, having captured food for several days, simply left the city with the whole world - into the forests or mountains, in accordance with the geography of the area that turned up. And then a few days later, when the food ran out, they returned ...
            The economic damage caused to the city was enormous! After all, specialists in various types of production activities left.
            After several such departures, after conferring, the aristocrats came to the conclusion that they needed a person, such as a lawyer, who would defend the rights of the people before the aristocrats and influence the adoption of new laws and the correction of old ones. Well, something like this. This person must be a plebeian. And they gave the name - people's tribune ...
            But here's the problem!
            There were no sufficiently literate and intelligent lawyers among the plebeians, but there were among the aristocrats. The experience of defending the rights of the plebeians by the plebeians turned out to be sad. And then a custom arose: if an aristocrat, burning with a sense of justice and literate in the field of legislation, agrees to become a people's tribune, he should be adopted by a plebeian.
            But then, proceeding from the fact that only a true plebeian can organize the true defense of a plebeian, and the first experiments were, as I said, unsuccessful, over time, 25 thousand large private libraries alone appeared in Rome, not to mention many small ones. wassat )))
            1. +1
              5 January 2023 16: 24
              Thank God we are not in ancient Rome, and people are quite literate and, in any case, most understand what's what.
              Imagine a situation.
              Someone, at the top or with a lot of money, pays for his offspring from the army, saves another from the court, although he knocked someone down while drunk.
              Yes, and the head of the family is not sinless.
              But nothing will happen to him with his fat wallet.
              Or, the same situation, but the law does not sleep, and everyone gets what they deserve.
              This is also a lesson to others.
              Therefore, I argue that in a country where the law prevails, there are much fewer violations.
              And the people see it , very stupid , very few .
          2. +2
            5 January 2023 17: 38
            He laughed heartily. Naive people have not yet died out.
            1. 0
              5 January 2023 18: 10
              Yes, I live in such a country.
              Unfortunately in Russia it's different.
              So keep laughing.
        2. +3
          5 January 2023 18: 50
          Quote: Blacksmith 55
          in my opinion, the biggest trouble in the USSR and Russia is that the LAW does not work.

          Quite right. And all because we still have patriarchal thinking in many ways, and it is based on completely different principles than the law. And in a number of places it no longer exists, but its principles are used, why not? If beneficial.
          1. +3
            5 January 2023 20: 01
            And all because we still have patriarchal thinking in many ways, and it is based on completely different principles than the law.


            Vyacheslav Olegovich, have you tried to read the laws with their many clauses and reservations that change the very meaning of the law? More than that. Have you tried reading the by-laws sent to institutions?
            If you understand any of this, you are a titan of thought. I tried to read, got bogged down in bureaucratic Newspeak, and gave up this dirty business. But I can put letters into words, and words into sentences.
            Propaganda is much easier. It is done in a language that everyone understands. Based on simple logic "if this, then it will be." And this is in the presence of laws that few people understand and often directly contradict the simple logic of propaganda. Actually, natural logic. The interpreters of the laws present their simplified versions to the public, using which we exclaim, "How is it? The law says one thing, but does another!"
            But any lawyer will convince you that everything is true. Because people stopped believing - and the laws, which we have above the roof, and propaganda.
            1. +3
              5 January 2023 20: 33
              Depresant, let me answer you.
              Yes, the laws are written in a language incomprehensible to the common man.
              But first of all, law enforcement and law enforcement agencies should read and execute them.
              And if this does not work, then we can say that the state is a complete mess.
              Another very important thing is freedom of speech and press.
              And the one who does not comply with the law can and should be slandered in the media.
              1. +3
                5 January 2023 21: 58
                now, if this does not work, then we can say that the state is a complete mess


                Wrote you a detailed comment. with recent examples. About how worthless propaganda turns into law, leading to terrible criminal consequences with human casualties, or at best, mutilations. Almost with impunity.
                And then she erased it.
                After all, it is one thing when it is propaganda, which is akin to persuasion, persuasion directed at everyone. And another thing is when propaganda turns into a law that acts unilaterally. And then it turns out that some are equal before the law, while others are more equal. Because propaganda is always directed against someone. And, having taken the form of a law, it becomes a disaster for the majority of the population. It, the population, cannot respond to the unbridled legislative propaganda, because it is directed against them.
                Guess what current article of the law I'm talking about? If you guessed, do not answer, because it is dangerous. And here it is, this article, be sure, is observed by all authorities. Despite the howl and even the roar of the press.
                Do you feel better about it?
    2. +2
      5 January 2023 17: 55
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      And so these swings with propaganda and power do not bring anything good to our country ... every time a new catastrophe and a new discord in society ... apparently this is a pattern.

      Dear Alexey, why do you think that shocks will lead to a negative effect?
    3. +1
      6 January 2023 01: 07
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      As you can see, yesterday's Stalinists, when the political situation changed, sharply became anti-Stalinists

      After Putin's departure from Olympus of power, the same thing may happen to his loyal associates.

      The article cites the poet Tvardovsky and publicist Ehrenburg as examples of such disguised propagandists. Tvardovsky wrote "The Land of the Ants". His hero flees from his village (it can be understood, figuratively, fleeing the inevitable dispossession) and stops in the village, where he is respectfully received and, resigned to his fate, enrolls in a collective farm. If Tvardovsky had written something more free-thinking, he would have ended up like Koltsov, Pilnyak or Mandelstam. The poet Tvardovsky is one of his family who escaped dispossession, famine, bullying by the Chekists - what reason did he have to love Stalin and speak out against the condemnation of the Stalinist cult of personality? Stalin gave him the opportunity to print, Khrushchev gave him confidence that he would not be killed, as Koltsov and Pilnyak were killed, and his relatives and fellow villagers would no longer starve and be subjected to repression. It is difficult to demand loyalty to Stalin from a native of peasants. This can be forgiven for a Chekist who lost the opportunity to repress his neighbors during the time of Khrushchev and appropriate their property through shops of random things. Ehrenburg could have been subjected to repression after returning from France to the USSR, when the Chekists began to look closely at his real estate. He was a candidate for the first number on the list of repressed leaders of the JAC, but Stalin did not dare to either repress him or secretly kill him like Mikhoels (perhaps Stalin was frightened as the Belarusian State Security Ministry quickly established the involvement of Moscow special forces in the murder of Mikhoels). By the way, even under Stalin, Ehrenburg allowed free-thinking on the verge of repression. For example, in his poem "Two Grenadiers to France", the lyrical hero admires the culture of France and says that if he were freer and not burdened with positions, salaries, family and relatives, he would go to live in France as Napoleonic grenadiers came from Russian captivity.
      ""Two grenadiers to France..."
      I will return them if I see them.
      Why did the devil pull me
      Fall in love with a foreign country?
      There are no more grenadiers in sight,
      And other songs are in progress,
      And I'm not a Frenchman in a foreign land, -
      I will not leave this land.
      Everything here is familiar to me to shiver,
      I'm used to every path,
      And all languages ​​are dearer to me
      Intelligible language from infancy.
      But suddenly all disputes fall silent,
      And I - it's only delirious -
      Like two mustachioed grenadiers
      To the far west I wander,
      And everything I once knew
      Waking up like it was yesterday
      And the red sunset sun
      Doesn't want to leave until morning."
      Moreover, Ehrenburg's poem is a remake of Heine's poem, in which the French grenadiers remained loyal to Napoleon and are ready to overthrow the king even dead and return Napoleon to power. "To France two grenadiers
      They wandered from Russian captivity
      And both were depressed soul,
      Reaching German land.

      They will have to - hear - see
      Shame on his native country ...
      And the brave army is broken
      And the emperor himself is in captivity!

      Sad listening to the news
      One of them said: “Brother!
      My sorrowful heart hurts
      And old wounds are burning! ......"
      It was necessary to have great courage in order to write a poem in the Stalinist USSR that claims to be the most Francophile verse of all times and peoples.
  2. +4
    5 January 2023 06: 00
    From the mid-1920s to the early 1950s, Stalin's name was mentioned in a positive context in many films, books, songs and other works.
    There is no need to exaggerate here, since the mid-1920s .. For example: from the film October (1927), Eisenstein was forced to remove many leaders of the revolution: L. Trotsky, V. Antonov-Ovseenko, V. Nevsky, about Stalin, there is nothing .. The mention began somewhere in the mid-30s and this concerned films about the civil war and those events in which Stalin took a direct part, and not which films were forbidden, such as the 1940 Cavalry film.
    1. +5
      5 January 2023 08: 00
      I don’t think that all the prohibitions in the film industry of those years came personally from I.V. Stalin. Considering the collegial model of “hudsoyukhs” and “arts councils”, restrictions and censorship came mainly from colleagues of the authors. Moreover, he is ready to lay his head on the chopping block, that in half the cases the "circus" was due to personal envy, and not necessarily for talent, but in most cases for base reasons.
      1. +2
        5 January 2023 10: 22
        I don't think that all the bans in the film industry
        And my comment is not about all movie bans. Yes, and especially the name of Stalin in the films was not advertised, except in those films where the events to which he was related were reflected. Another example: episodes of the discussion of "Stalin's route" have been removed from the Chkalov film. Several episodes were devoted to this.
      2. +3
        5 January 2023 10: 52
        Taking into account the collegial model of “hudsoyukhs” and “arts councils”, restrictions and censorship came mainly from colleagues of the authors.
        The film "Courage" was withdrawn from the rental for political reasons. Since, by that time, they had concluded a non-aggression pact with Japan, for the same reasons, the lines in the song Three Tankers, which sounded in the film Tractor Drivers, were replaced instead: in this the samurai decided the night .. the enemy pack decided to sound that night ..
      3. +1
        5 January 2023 18: 02
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Moreover, he is ready to lay his head on the chopping block, that in half the cases the "circus" was due to personal envy, and not necessarily for talent, but in most cases for base reasons


        You automatically classify people, not knowing their professional qualities, as envious people and people who have no concept of decency. Haven't you decided to bring too many people under the "one bar".
  3. +2
    5 January 2023 06: 06
    Even during his lifetime, thousands of monuments were erected to Stalin, many cities, enterprises and streets were named in his honor. Now mass renaming began: Stalingrad became Volgograd, Stalino - Donetsk, Stalinabad - Dushanbe, etc. All the monuments were soon demolished

    Without Stalin, the Soviet Union would not have had an atomic bomb.
    And if today's Russia did not have nuclear weapons inherited from the Soviet Union, then the NATO "peacekeepers" would have dealt with it long ago (or at least would have tried to deal with it) according to the "Yugoslav scenario".
    By the way, in 2010, a bust of Comrade Stalin was erected in one of the US cities.
    1. +3
      5 January 2023 06: 56
      Without Stalin, the Soviet Union would not have had an atomic bomb.


      It would rather not exist without our intelligence and those scientists in the West who believed that it was simply unacceptable for one country (in this case, the United States) to own such weapons.
      1. +6
        5 January 2023 11: 22
        It would rather not exist without our intelligence and those scientists in the West,
        Konstantin, an example not from the atomic field. Our dean, Lev Alekseevich Simonov, who taught us a course in applied gas dynamics, was in his youth on the commission for the acceptance of turbines at the DneproGES. Here's what he said. There were a couple of Swedish turbines and the rest - from Leningrad. There was a method for determining their efficiency, and it was incorrectly formulated. And for the shortfall of each%, a penalty of 10 rubles in gold was paid. And the Swedes, at a loss, showed this incorrectness, the methodology was changed, the country saved the funds. That was the moral authority our country had at that time. This is what prompted the nuclear scientists to cooperate with the USSR. And Bruno Pontecorvo, the nuclear scientist, was generally a staunch communist.
        1. +8
          5 January 2023 14: 45
          That was the moral authority our country had at that time.

          Or maybe the Swedes were just decent and honest people, you didn’t think about it?
        2. +2
          5 January 2023 21: 43
          There were a couple of Swedish turbines
          My respect, Sergey!
          Now you really surprised me! I always thought that the turbines for the DneproGES were supplied by General Electric ...
      2. +1
        5 January 2023 18: 33
        Read history. Intelligence played a big role, but mostly it helped to avoid wasting money on dead ends and replaced the blocked information exchange that existed before.
        1. +2
          5 January 2023 19: 40
          Imagine reading. And not even one book and more than once, and by different authors from different countries.
          Did you write something completely opposite to what I wrote? laughing
          1. +2
            5 January 2023 20: 56
            Yes, and it's strange that you don't understand that. You wrote that without reconnaissance there would not have been a bomb, that is, we ourselves were not able to make it. I wrote that intelligence only accelerated its creation, but did not define it in any way.
            1. Fat
              +1
              5 January 2023 22: 48
              hi The Manhattan Project formally started on August 13, 1942. Statement by I.V. Stalin on September 28, 1942, the order of the State Defense Committee No. 2352 ss "On the organization of work on uranium" took place a month and a half later precisely thanks to information collected by the NKVD and the GRU of the General Staff of the Red Army and saboteurs of the Starinov group near Taganrog on the Mius Front ...
              The USSR resumed work, interrupted by the war, on the creation of nuclear weapons and fuel in the most difficult period of the war, largely due to the analytical work done by S.V. Kaftanov ... So, without intelligence, they could have been "late" with the start of work ...
              "Presenting for your consideration the plan of work of Laboratory No. 2 of the USSR Academy of Sciences for the study of the intra-atomic energy of uranium and the search for possibilities for using this energy, we report on the state of these works.

              In 1944, the work of Laboratory No. 2 consisted in analyzing the secret materials we received about the work of foreign scientists on the problem of uranium and in conducting our own theoretical research.

              I will not cite other quotes from the plan of laboratory No. 2 for 1945 ...
              Leave your
              Quote: U. Cheny
              Yes, and it's strange that you don't understand that. You wrote that without reconnaissance there would not have been a bomb, that is, we ourselves were not able to make it.

              You, Andrei, know very well that the "cannon" version of the ammunition could have been made already in 1944 if there were 5-10 kilograms of metallic uranium 235 or plutonium 239 smile
              1. +1
                6 January 2023 01: 00
                I did not seem to answer you, well, okay.
                After all, I wrote in white to Russians that intelligence accelerated the creation of the bomb. This is the first. Second. The quote you quoted says "and conducting your own theoretical research." In order to conduct your research, it is not enough to read fragmentary information from agents. To do this, you need to be completely in the subject and have your own experience. Well, all scientists, and nuclear scientists in those years especially, analyze all available information from colleagues. Just before the war, she was in scientific journals, and here in intelligence reports.
      3. +3
        5 January 2023 18: 39
        Quote: Sea Cat
        It would rather not exist without our intelligence and those scientists in the West who believed that it was simply unacceptable to own such weapons to one country (in this case, the United States)

        Dear Konstantin, I think the erroneous opinion that our scientists were "sillier" than Western ones, ask yourself why the version you write about constantly appears on our TV and media. Our scientists at that time did not run with "sticks in their hands".
        1. +2
          5 January 2023 19: 43
          Igor hi , be afraid of God, did I call our scientists fools? Not at all and never!
          It was you who slandered me. smile
          1. +1
            5 January 2023 20: 04
            Quote: Sea Cat
            It was you who slandered me.

            Konstantin, at one time I had to deal with "such specialists" in matters of electronic warfare, although it was a system of interaction for us, they determined the "bearing", then it was our actions. Therefore, it is difficult for me to doubt our scientists. Error maximum 150 meters.
      4. +1
        6 January 2023 02: 35
        Quote: Sea Cat
        It would rather not exist without our intelligence and those scientists in the West

        Basically, you are right.
        And with the same reason we can say that Napoleon would not have seen victory at Austerlitz or Nelson in the Battle of Trafalgar, if not for their officers and privates.
    2. +2
      5 January 2023 07: 27
      Quote: Comrade
      Without Stalin, the Soviet Union would not have had an atomic bomb.

      There is no need to write nonsense...
      1. -4
        5 January 2023 08: 02
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Comrade
        Without Stalin, the Soviet Union would not have had an atomic bomb.

        There is no need to write nonsense...

        Red hamsters will not understand you Vyacheslav Olegovich. laughing
        Now seriously. It is foolish to deny the role of the individual in history, but it is easier for the layman not to seek the truth on their own, but to simply shift it onto others! Moreover, the expectations from the powerful of this world are so ridiculous that you want to cry! Therefore, you and I will rake a bunch of minuses, and comrade "Tavarishch" a hill of pluses.
        R.s. Personally, I’m curious what the “real communists” would sing if Iosif Vissarionovich resurrected and tritely asked from fighting hamsters of a delict-capable age for 1991 what they had done for their homeland and party !!!
        1. +2
          5 January 2023 19: 05
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          R.s. Personally, I’m curious what the “real communists” would sing if Iosif Vissarionovich resurrected and tritely asked from fighting hamsters of a delict-capable age for 1991 what they had done for their homeland and party !!!

          Dear Vladislav, you are too general in approach to this issue, I was not a communist, I was a Komsomol member, as a military man I received state awards. . But there are certain views on life that do not allow us to be on the sidelines, at our age, the Soviet Power taught us. I do not know what your views are, but I think not everyone thinks like YOU.
        2. +2
          6 January 2023 02: 57
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Personally, I’m curious what the “real communists” would sing if Iosif Vissarionovich resurrected and tritely asked from fighting hamsters of delictual age for 1991 what they had done for their homeland and party !!!

          Dear Vladislav, I was not a communist, and for a long tongue in class on the history of the CPSU, even under Andropov, I was once summoned for interrogation by the KGB.
          He sincerely condemned Soviet power at the beginning of "perestroika", because he was stupid because of his youth and lack of life experience. However, later the brains were still enough to understand that the Soviet Union should not be destroyed, so the referendum on the separation of Ukraine from the country deliberately ignoredlike the rest of my family. I still have the invitations to this referendum.
          If all or most of the inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR had acted as I did, the course of history would have been different. Wherever Ukraine would "go out", there would be no poverty and chaos of the 90s, there would be no plunder of national wealth, there would be no special operation.
          No matter how bad the Union was, what came to replace it is a hundred times worse.
          And the fact that I tried to prevent this, I could answer Comrade Stalin.

          I don't know what your attitude towards the Soviet Union is. However, I can say that I lived in the Union for quite a long time, I lived about the same in the West. Therefore, I can adequately and competently judge and compare socialism and capitalism.
          I like socialism because under it I did not feel like an object of extortion from the state, I was not afraid of approaching old age. I felt like a citizen of a great country, where you were not forced to bow to homosexuals and blacks, were not forced to pay and repent for the imaginary sins of the "white man." And you shouldn't have given away the lion's share of your income to slackers who have privileges at your expense.

          I do not work for Putin, I am not an FSB agent, but I responsibly declare that many of my friends who earn more than good money cannot, like your humble servant, get rid of the feeling that you are a slave.
          And you owe your relative prosperity primarily to your intellect and education received in the USSR.
          Sorry for the lengthy comment, just broke through. You consider me some kind of "hamster", without even trying to admit that you can be wrong about something, while your opponent may be right.
      2. +4
        5 January 2023 09: 05
        Quote: kalibr
        There is no need to write nonsense...


        Is it weak to prove otherwise?
        And some domestic physicists seriously argued that it was simply impossible to create an atomic bomb. But Stalin thought otherwise.
        Who is to blame that some scientists from the Manhattan Project worked for our intelligence? Who made decisions based on the information provided by these agents?
        Who oversaw our nuclear project? On whose instructions did the bloodthirsty and merciless Lavrenty Palych begin to be distracted from the “Stalinist repressions” by some kind of “nonsense” that had nothing to do with the repressions? Who made the decision on priority financing and software for the nuclear project in a war-torn country?
        Nicholas the Wonderworker or Yog-Sothoth? Or maybe Stalin?
        1. Fat
          +6
          5 January 2023 09: 25
          Yes Yes.
          Quote: Illanatol
          Or maybe Stalin?

          There was no nail
          Horseshoe
          Gone.
          There was no horseshoe -
          Horse
          I was limping.
          The horse limped
          Commander
          Killed.
          The cavalry is broken
          Army
          Running
          The enemy enters the city,
          Captive not sparing
          Because in the forge
          There was no nail.
        2. +3
          5 January 2023 10: 10
          Who is to blame that some scientists from the Manhattan Project worked for our intelligence?

          Margarita Ivanovna Konenkova, nee Vorontsova, is partly to blame. It was Einstein who fell in love with her, and possibly the participants in the Manhattan Project, like Oppenheimer. The design documentation, and this is a large amount of paper, for the atomic bomb, Kurchatov received after returning the sculpture of Konenkov on the ship with all his creations and large plaster sculptures after almost 25 years of living in the USA. The ship "Smolny" was kindly provided by Stalin in May 45, who personally asked to take all his creations from the workshop. Someday we will learn about the feat of Margarita Vorotsova, a beautiful, intelligent woman devoted to her country.
          1. +5
            5 January 2023 14: 56
            It was Einstein who fell in love with her, and possibly the participants in the Manhattan Project.,

            The entire Manhattan project fell in love with Vorontsova. That's what I understand! Here it is whistled! Where is Fagot! laughing wassat
        3. +1
          5 January 2023 11: 46
          Is it weak to prove otherwise?

          What is there to prove? The fact that Stalin was the luminary of all sciences and without evidence is a well-known fact.
          For you, absolutely.
          1. +8
            5 January 2023 12: 16
            What is there to prove?
            He was an intelligent organizer and a far-sighted politician (and most importantly, patriotic). Without it, there would definitely not be a nuclear shield, just as there is no 28nm process technology in Russia now. Getting blueprints for a nuclear bomb is like getting a hippopotamus soup recipe (obscenely simple - take a hippopotamus and then use standard technology) - it does not guarantee results. Need a hippo. In the case of nuclear weapons, such behemoths are the most accurate machine tools, advanced electrical engineering, fissile material - about a thousand. And everything came from somewhere.
            Separately, it should be noted that he could simply say - we don’t need this bourgeois nuclear baton, we have so many divisions (as it is now with high-precision weapons and drones). The result would be quite Yugoslav. But it turned out the way it did, and this is mostly his merit, I think.
            1. 0
              5 January 2023 13: 35
              And this is mostly his merit, I think.


              The merit of many people there, and not only scientists. And as for foresight, remember the forty-first year and the Germans near Moscow. request
              1. +3
                5 January 2023 20: 02
                Yes, many people. Only one person made the decision to use their talent and their ideas. And without this, no one would ever have known that these many exist.
                By the way, the role of the individual is clearly demonstrated by "effective managers" who ruin everything, regardless of the presence or absence of talented specialists in their subordination.
        4. -4
          5 January 2023 18: 23
          And some domestic physicists seriously argued that it was simply impossible to create an atomic bomb. But Stalin thought otherwise.


          Cat-lamp stories begin, Stalin didn’t understand anything about nuclear weapons at all, and didn’t really “itch” until the Americans dropped a bomb on Japan, then Stalin just stirred.
          1. +2
            5 January 2023 21: 01
            Oh, and I didn’t know that bombs were dropped on Japan in 1943! After all, the decision to start work on the creation of an atomic bomb was adopted by Stalin in February 1943.
        5. 0
          5 January 2023 19: 05
          Quote: Illanatol
          Is it weak to prove otherwise?

          Anatoly, don't take me for a fool! Do I have something to prove to someone? Consider yourself lucky that I noticed your comment at all.
        6. +1
          6 January 2023 03: 26
          Quote: Illanatol
          Who oversaw our nuclear project? On whose instructions did the bloodthirsty and merciless Lavrenty Palych begin to be distracted from the “Stalinist repressions” by some kind of “nonsense” that had nothing to do with the repressions?

          About a year ago, I read an interview with an old woman who worked at one of the sensitive facilities associated with a nuclear project.
          She personally saw and talked with Beria when he came to them for an inspection.
          The journalist says, they say, he's a monster, probably built you all there and personally shot every second one?
          Grandmother grinned and replied that the plant had just begun to be built, we all lived in dugouts or barracks. Beria was assigned a room for the night, which was their greatest luxury. The bed he put the best, but almost collapsed. Beria tried to sleep on it, but could not. In the morning I asked calmly why they have such furniture? They say it's the best we have. He silently turned and left. Later, they were brought much of what they lacked, including furniture.
          By the way, such a trifle. Beria came to them alone, without any protection, in a passing car. He was in a dirty worn raincoat, he looked very tired.
          Grandmother said that she had read about repressions, but for her, Beria was a person who "sick" for the task assigned (the nuclear project) with all his heart, and who did not punish anyone at their facility for anything. He went, delved into the matter, gave instructions - and that's all.
    3. +9
      5 January 2023 10: 00
      Quote: Comrade
      Without Stalin, the Soviet Union would not have had an atomic bomb.

      Without Stalin, there was no USSR, and would not have lived to see the Great Patriotic War. Back in the 30s, the conspirators wanted to arrange the 91st year ...

      As in the 1930s, the newspapers did not write about any real problems of the country

      Of course. The author does not even understand how ridiculous these lines look.
      In the latest issue of the Pravda newspaper on March 2, 1930, Joseph Stalin's article "Dizziness from Success" was published about the "excesses in the field" made during collectivization. In it, Stalin condemned numerous cases of violations in the organization of collective farms.

      "... I know that there are people in the ranks of the Party who dislike criticism in general, self-criticism in particular. this accursed self-criticism, again turning out our shortcomings—couldn't we be allowed to live in peace? It is clear that these "varnished" communists have nothing in common with the spirit of our party, with the spirit of Bolshevism...
      I. Stalin. 13.04.1928/XNUMX/XNUMX

      Propaganda is a great power! But only when it is reasonable, or the electorate must be completely stupid ...
      1. +8
        5 January 2023 13: 03
        Back in the 30s, the conspirators wanted to arrange the 91st year ...
        And it was a reality, not an invention of the NKVD, although there were enough inventions, but not just to have fun, to shoot people, but these inventions pursued a specific goal.
      2. -1
        5 January 2023 18: 30
        Without Stalin, there was no USSR, and would not have lived to see the Great Patriotic War. Back in the 30s, the conspirators wanted to arrange the 91st year ...


        There were always "enemies of socialism" around Stalin, they just knew how to "appease" the leader, Khrushchev, Malenkov, Beria, Molotov, etc. Or that Beria is not an enemy of the people, come on, you are the same "enemy" that he did after Stalin's death first he released Molotov’s wife by deed, and there it was a serious conspiracy, and he himself was digging under this enemy, in the Mingrelian case it turned out that Beria’s accomplices were solid enemies (more than 500 people were arrested) and again what Beria did after Stalin’s death covered up the case , “rehabilitated” all those arrested.
        1. +1
          5 January 2023 19: 09
          Quote from: filibuster
          they just knew how to "appease" the leader, Khrushchev, Malenkov, Beria, Molotov, etc.

          And he was so stupid, but was led to these "indulgence"!
          1. 0
            5 January 2023 22: 27
            Well, apparently he received "pleasure" otherwise how to explain that with all the "jambs" of Khrushchev, he was not even arrested.
        2. +1
          5 January 2023 21: 14
          Not a modest question where do you get this information.
      3. +1
        5 January 2023 19: 08
        Quote: Doccor18
        or the electorate must be completely stupid ...

        He was. Yesterday's peasants from the plow and in bast shoes, who had just exchanged them for boots and boots. But... "you can take a girl out of a village, but you can't take a village out of a girl... and out of a man too!"
        1. +2
          5 January 2023 21: 20
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Doccor18
          or the electorate must be completely stupid ...

          He was. Yesterday's peasants from the plow and in bast shoes, who had just exchanged them for boots and boots. But... "you can take a girl out of a village, but you can't take a village out of a girl... and out of a man too!"

          You are wrong, in Soviet Russia there were enough literate and educated people.
    4. +4
      5 January 2023 10: 20
      I'll tell you more: without Stalin there would be no USSR itself
      1. +2
        5 January 2023 18: 18
        To some extent, this is true, the USSR was the state of Stalin, Stalin was God in it, God left and the state gradually followed him, henceforth a lesson for all of us, no “mug” should sit on “TV” for more than 8 years, otherwise will be like in the USSR / Yugoslavia.
    5. +3
      5 January 2023 17: 51
      Without Stalin, the Soviet Union would not have had an atomic bomb.
      And if today's Russia did not have nuclear weapons inherited from the Soviet Union, then the NATO "peacekeepers" would have dealt with it long ago (or at least would have tried to deal with it) according to the "Yugoslav scenario".



      No need to create an idol for yourself. I understand that there is a “religious sect named after Stalin”, but Stalin had a big miscalculation, he did not lay the mechanism for a legitimate and regular change of power, as a result, all this led to the fact that the elites degraded during his lifetime, they were hypocrites, curry favors, catered to him, and his closest associates later carried Stalin's body out of the Mausoleum. And the same “Yugoslav scenario” happened to the USSR and even bombs were not needed, and now Russia can completely repeat the next iteration and all for the same reason, there is no need to create idols, all supreme leaders are also people with their own shortcomings, complexes, fears.
      1. +1
        5 January 2023 19: 10
        Quote from: filibuster
        all supreme leaders are also people with their own shortcomings, complexes, fears.

        Well said, horseman savsem!
      2. +2
        5 January 2023 20: 12
        Everyone has some kind of idol. You have this so-called democracy. The regular change of power very quickly leads the state to collapse. And those presidents and prime ministers in "civilized" countries, changing in a few years, are just a front. The real power there is completely different people, they have this power for life and have been pursuing their policy consistently for decades.
        1. -2
          5 January 2023 22: 24
          The regular change of power very quickly leads the state to collapse.


          That is why the United States survived the Russian Empire, the USSR and there are tendencies that they will also survive the current Russia.

          The real power there is completely different people, they have this power for life and have been pursuing their policy consistently for decades.


          Who are the real “rulers” of the USA?
  4. +5
    5 January 2023 07: 26
    And yet, dear Andrei, the newspaper must be read. You have not named the most significant, most important material from the newspaper Pravda for all 1418 days. Ay-ay. And this speaks of excessive superficiality. And VO readers, by the way, are spoiled for materials in which there is at least one, yes, zest ...
    1. +3
      5 January 2023 08: 17
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, do not bother with a novice colleague. Moscow is not built immediately, however, as well as the ability to find "exclusive" and "interesting" information. Moscow was not built in a day!
      1. 0
        5 January 2023 19: 12
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Moscow was not built in a day!

        Vladislav, this is the lack of an old teacher after 32 years of work at the Higher School ...
    2. +4
      5 January 2023 12: 45
      The theme of the war has already passed, if you have not noticed). And about the newspaper, remember the quote of Professor Preobrazhensky, here he accurately defined it).
      1. +5
        5 January 2023 13: 08
        And about the newspaper, remember the quote of Professor Preobrazhensky, here he accurately defined it).
        The same thing, he could say today .. About the Russian media .. Whoever has dinner with a girl, he dances her, and this is in any state, with any social system ..
        1. +4
          5 January 2023 13: 22
          Agree. I have an even worse opinion about modern Russian media, their general level has noticeably degraded.
          1. +3
            5 January 2023 19: 13
            Quote: Andrey_Sarmatov
            noticeably degraded.

            This is very easy to check with the "fog-index"...
        2. +1
          5 January 2023 18: 10
          Of course, there are no independent media, but there are free media, that is, media belonging to different groups and broadcasting different opinions, plus there are independent journalists working for ideological reasons, it’s bad when the media in the state broadcast a purely one opinion, as it was in the USSR.
          1. 0
            5 January 2023 20: 25
            There is no media that simultaneously belongs to different opposing trends. And if some media expresses different opinions, then be sure that this is done solely within the framework of their point of view and for its promotion and approval.
            Ideological journalists exist, but for a very short time. They are either bought, or blocked from access to the media, or simply killed.
            And as for a purely one opinion, you can not go so far, but look around. For example, what happens in the modern West with people trying to express their opinion, different from the accepted one, about LGBT people or Russia.
            1. -1
              5 January 2023 22: 26
              There is no media that simultaneously belongs to different opposing trends.


              Fox News and CNN. Materials from Fox News are regularly posted here on VO.
  5. +8
    5 January 2023 08: 42
    And the result of all this is that the main "de-Stalinizers" Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin are hated and despised by the majority of the Soviet / Russian people. And the Russian Stalinophobes have long betrayed and forgotten their benefactors Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but the popularity of Stalin, slandered by them, is only growing in the Russian Federation.
    1. -1
      5 January 2023 19: 14
      Quote: tatra
      -hated and despised by the majority of the Soviet / Russian people.

      If the majority - then well done. Everything was done right. Because 80% of any population is something like a big dunghill.
      1. 0
        6 January 2023 01: 58
        With your comment, which I do not share, you have just refuted the basis of "democracy" (its official front sign for "cattle").
  6. +2
    5 January 2023 08: 56
    Quote: kalibr

    But smaller! People are getting smarter, but slowly.


    Mind has nothing to do with it. Personalities are getting smaller, their cults are also getting smaller, and here are the discords - less and more sluggish.
  7. +11
    5 January 2023 09: 02
    Therefore, it is not surprising that in any Soviet newspaper of 1946-1953 you will not find any mention of hunger, or rampant banditry, or many other topics unpleasant for the authorities.

    It would not be bad to point to specific works and studies that indicate famine or just the same "rampant banditry." Moreover, enough dissertations and papers have been written on this topic.
    However, we are talking about propaganda, and who reports negative trends in propaganda?
    So I see an article in Izvestia in 1946: Banditry is rampant in Moscow, the socialist police can’t cope: you can’t enter the metro or go to the Bolshoi Theater, everything is filled with bandits. laughing
    1. +4
      5 January 2023 09: 18
      Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
      So I see an article in Izvestia in 1946: Banditry is rampant in Moscow, the socialist police can’t cope: you can’t enter the metro or go to the Bolshoi Theater, everything is filled with bandits.

    2. +4
      5 January 2023 12: 49
      Eduard, on banditry, I advise my article "Totalitarian disorder: banditry in the last years of Stalin's rule." I'm not sure if links can be given here to other sites, but you can easily find it by name. From the books - the work of Burds "Soviet agents. Essays on the history of the USSR in the post-war years."
      1. +2
        5 January 2023 13: 37
        Andrey_Sarmatov. And why would they make a monetary reform after the war? During the war, there were so many stolen goods that even in 1961 they caught figures who traded food and medicine during the siege of Leningrad. Even in such a small district town, they found two such people who managed the district trade. Were arrested. They were sent to Leningrad, where they were tried and shot. Now the whole of Russia is under siege by gangs who are doing the same thing that the sellers of bread and medicines did during the war in Leningrad, only now it's all on a scale from top to bottom.
      2. +5
        5 January 2023 15: 41
        Andrey, good afternoon, thank you, I'll take a look.
        By the will of fate, I attended several defenses on the problems of banditry during this period (Leningrad, Moscow) - there were problems, but not that the 90s laughing or 1917 - 1924
        Best regards,
        hi
        1. +4
          5 January 2023 18: 29
          Quote: Edward Vashchenko
          Andrey, good afternoon, thank you, I'll take a look.
          By the will of fate, I attended several defenses on the problems of banditry during this period (Leningrad, Moscow) - there were problems, but not that the 90s laughing or 1917 - 1924
          Best regards,
          hi

          I could not resist and get into the discussion!
          Eduard and Aleksey, let's be honest with ourselves, in all three cases of rampant crime (in the 20s, late 40s and 90s), it was not the NKVD and the Ministry of Internal Affairs that whitewashed, but the economy. In the second case, everything happened an order of magnitude faster and more successfully, since society was on the rise. Demobilization called for the strengthening of law enforcement agencies. In the 90s it was worse, but due to the stability of salaries in the Ministry of Internal Affairs there was no outflow of personnel and the situation was rectified.
          Today objectively criminogenic tension is starting to grow again. The structure of crime is changing, already thoroughly forgotten forms of criminal acts are appearing. The question is whether law enforcement agencies can withstand the present day.
          I personally have doubts that without drastic recruitment measures, something will come of it.
          It is tempting to quote the hero of this article - “cadres decide everything).
    3. +4
      5 January 2023 13: 16
      hi Edward, at the same time, I note that it seems that in the mid-20s there was an unprecedented rampant banditry, radical measures were required, and in order for these measures to be approved, letters from workers were stuffed, and real letters, to the press, demanding an end to banditry and hooliganism, by taking decisive measures. Measures were taken, with banditry, it was over. such a revelry, after all, did not exist.
      1. +5
        5 January 2023 15: 39
        Alexey good afternoon,
        I lived a little in the USSR, but I spent my childhood and the army there and I understood the internal logic (certainly not a scientific approach) very well.
        And I completely agree with you that if anything ... managerial measures were taken before the problem was resolved, as soon as the managerial will weakened with the advent of Gorbachev, everything fell apart. This will to manage according to the goal has not returned until now.
        1. +3
          5 January 2023 16: 58
          This will to manage according to the goal has not returned until now.

          Golden words Edward!
          Good evening!
          1. +2
            5 January 2023 19: 02
            Vladislav good evening!!!!
            Regarding your opinion about crime, which is higher, I will not argue, personnel not only in the Ministry of Internal Affairs decide everything. But ... we return to goal-setting ... and everything is in a circle again.
        2. +1
          5 January 2023 20: 40
          The last phrase is almost an aphorism, but why do you think that there is no control now? Maybe it's just that the country's leadership and I understand the goals differently?
  8. +8
    5 January 2023 09: 12
    Quote: Sea Cat
    It would rather not exist without our intelligence and those scientists in the West who believed that it was simply unacceptable for one country (in this case, the United States) to own such weapons.


    And to whom, in the end, did our intelligence report? And why did these Western scientists (as well as career agents from MI6) decide to pass on such information to the Stalinist USSR?
    And not de Gaulle's France or Mao's China?
    Maybe because the USSR gained authority by making the most significant contribution to the defeat of the Reich? Or because the USSR will be able to practically use the information received? Moreover, to use it - not to the detriment of humanity, but as a deterrent to the imperialist plans of overseas hawks who dreamed of their own, star-striped Reich.
  9. +14
    5 January 2023 09: 12
    The author talks about the events of the described period tonot like time and space.
    Without understanding the situation, that the USSR in 1946-50s. this is a country where to read and write adequately, and not only to put crosses, the bulk learned by the beginning of the 40s.
    The gigantic, uncultured masses only reached out for knowledge, and the Soviet government provided such an opportunity, but the absence of a mass of everyday and material culture put pressure on society. And it was in such conditions that all newspapers and the entire information block worked, constantly pulling the masses to a higher bar, and did not indulge their base interests.
    And the last "propaganda" was supported by reality, and not vice versa: fairy tales in the media, and emptiness around.
    By its 30th anniversary, the Soviet country defeated the most powerful army in the world, and took Berlin, became the second economy in the world, this is Propaganda!
  10. +5
    5 January 2023 10: 15
    The filthy Khrushchev slush, which allowed the internal enemies of socialism, not finished by Stalin, to crawl out of the cracks to the surface again and the decomposition of the USSR began in all spheres - political (the top of the Central Committee of the CPSU became unsupervised by the KGB of the USSR), economic (the vertical of economic management was eliminated, planned indicators were distorted, they began to drive the shaft , peasant personal farms and cooperatives were liquidated), ideological and cultural (spitting not only on the personality of Stalin, but also on communism as a whole, samizdats, the ideology of personal hedonism began to spread widely).
    March 5, 1953 - this is the Thermidor, from which the period of gradual degradation of the USSR began, its negative development along the slope.
    1. +2
      5 January 2023 11: 39
      Quote from StarWarrior
      March 5, 1953 - this is the Thermidor, from which the period of gradual degradation of the USSR began, its negative development along the slope.

      Everything is correct, but it could not be otherwise, and the point is not Khrushchev - not him, so another would convene his own congress.
      The Stalinist system rested on general terror, Yagoda is an enemy of the people, Yezhov is an enemy of the people, Abakumov is an enemy of the people
      Stretch out Stalin just a couple of years, and from long-term associates Voroshilov, Mikoyan, Beria and Khrushchev - the dust would remain.
      Everyone understood this, as well as the fact that all these atrocities should be stopped (after the death of Stalin), they stopped - starting all this chatter about the cult of Stalin, which was what they sentenced the USSR, since everything was based on, see above.
      1. 0
        5 January 2023 11: 50
        Typical liberal false clichés - the Stalinist system rested not only on the inevitable personal responsibility of everyone for the work entrusted to him, but also on meritocracy (a worker could earn more than a minister!), on working social elevators in society (a peasant could become an academician, a worker - a minister).
        The Stalinist system was ruined by the lack of political competition in relation to the CPSU (b) and alternative elections.
        Stalin proposed alternative elections in 1937 in which the communists would compete with non-communists, but the members of the Central Committee got scared and did not let this project pass.
    2. +2
      5 January 2023 17: 54
      Well, how did it happen that around Stalin everyone was an enemy of socialism? Why was he so bad at understanding people?
      1. +1
        5 January 2023 19: 40
        Quote from: filibuster
        Why was he so bad at understanding people?

        Ne good! Such a great person, but he didn’t understand ... they deceived him ... they completely deceived him and tricked him ...
      2. 0
        7 January 2023 14: 18
        Quote from: filibuster
        Well, how did it happen that around Stalin everyone was an enemy of socialism? Why was he so bad at understanding people?

        I don’t want to condemn Stalin as a leader, but in the ability to select performers for his plans, he was inferior to the same Catherine II.
        1. +1
          19 February 2023 11: 04
          Come on. The Stalinist elite is the most effective elite of all times and peoples according to the results of their activities.
  11. +5
    5 January 2023 10: 23
    However, time puts everything in its place: do you see today a mountain of flowers on Khrushchev's grave?
    Moments hand out to whom - shame, to whom - infamy, and to whom - immortality
  12. +2
    5 January 2023 11: 12
    Very limited criticism of individual economic miscalculations on the ground was also allowed,
    But what about the well-known article in Pravda, "Dizziness from Success" (1931)? This is not the time of Khrushch Kukuruzny, this is the time of Joseph the Terrible.
    1. +1
      5 January 2023 19: 41
      Quote: Aviator_
      famous article

      One in a thousand newspapers? There are always exceptions to every rule...
  13. +5
    5 January 2023 12: 40
    And everyone here is right. Each in his own way. This is not about those who do not know history at all. Whatever advanced system we have, it will burst like a soap bubble. We will always be haunted by human qualities, such as servility, nepotism, bribery, a bay attitude towards a subordinate, envy. We still do not have vaccinations against these diseases. And they will haunt us all our lives. It would seem much easier to burn it all out with a hot iron. But each of us is infected in one way or another.
    1. +1
      5 January 2023 18: 12
      There are opportunities to greatly reduce these phenomena, called a regular change of power, corrected 4-8 years left, another came, and not so that one would climb the throne and sit until they take it forward with their feet or overthrow another who wants to sit on the throne.
    2. 0
      5 January 2023 19: 43
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      We will always be haunted by human qualities, such as servility, nepotism, bribery, a bai's attitude towards a subordinate, envy.

      How well you said. It remains to decide which social groups are most affected by this.
      1. +5
        6 January 2023 10: 34
        All are equally affected. Robert Sheckley has a wonderful story "Ticket to Planet Tranai".
  14. +6
    5 January 2023 13: 09
    "Kicking a dead lion is not bold, but worthy of jackals."
  15. +6
    6 January 2023 02: 19
    Those who admire Roman law should remember at least such a phenomenon as proscription lists, when citizens objectionable to the Roman authorities were deprived of citizenship, the right to life and property, as well as those who harbor them. And the current heirs of "European civilization" do not at all suffer from excessive respect for the law, they simply understand the need for thorough preparation of "common people" for the need to change the law in the right direction. Or, if a one-time violation is enough, a careful concealment of the involvement of the authorities or fabrication of a set-up to remove the obstacle. We are not only too lazy to achieve a positive result, but also too lazy to hide our tricks (what can they (society) do to us!). In our country, a year after Stalin’s death, they poured themselves with slop all over the planet, but with all their publicity and openness, they still have deals like the Kennedy assassination or Rudolf Hess’s arrival in Britain and his death are classified to the most impossible. Or statistics of deaths during the Great Depression in the United States.
  16. +7
    6 January 2023 09: 01
    Such "changing shoes" of propagandists is not uncommon, but rather a regularity.
    It has always been so, and even now little has changed in this world.
    1. +7
      6 January 2023 09: 40
      I completely agree with you - you just have to blow some "new winds", as all this "respectable audience" will immediately make a "feint with their ears". Such is the selyavi, forgive my bad German ..
  17. +3
    9 January 2023 09: 47
    Quote from: filibuster
    Well, how did it happen that around Stalin everyone was an enemy of socialism? Why was he so bad at understanding people?


    What is it about here? It was just that Stalin saw his own path, while others saw a different path to achieve a given goal. Which path is more correct ... should be judged by the results of movement along the trajectory that the leader has established.
    Stalin put forward the thesis about "the growth of the class struggle as socialism is built." His successors recognized this thesis as erroneous and rejected it.
    Well, the further course of events clearly showed who was more right ...
  18. +3
    9 January 2023 09: 52
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    In the 90s it was worse, but due to the stability of salaries in the Ministry of Internal Affairs there was no outflow of personnel and the situation was rectified.


    "Why rob a bank when you can start a bank?" B. Brecht.
    Crime (organized) legalized and went into the "civilized" business. As it was in the West, by the way. The famous pirate Morgan was the founder of the Morgan banking house, the founder of the Kennedy clan was a seasoned Texas bandit.
    And some of yesterday's "bandos" went to the service of the state, wearing shoulder straps. As our locals joked: "the worst organized criminal group is RUBOP."
  19. +3
    9 January 2023 13: 54
    "Lack of competition" in Soviet propaganda is a typical liberal myth. FROMama liber propaganda does not allow any competition, but takes out the brain with gigantic power. "Soviet propaganda" since the time of Khrushch has in fact already been anti-Soviet. Since the congress of the CPSU in 1961 proclaimed the thesis of a departure from the "dictatorship of the proletariat." Although the meaning of this term is not Khrushch himself. Suslov didn’t understand anyway, it seemed to them that it didn’t matter.
  20. +1
    19 February 2023 11: 01
    De-Stalinization is the beginning of the collapse of Soviet power. It was hard to think of anything more stupid. Well, except that they start promoting suicide as a sacred duty of every Soviet citizen.