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Neo-Osmanism and Western politics in the Balkans

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Sandzak and Vojvodina are areas in Serbia where Western gentlemen who want to rule the world according to the Machiavellian principle of "divide and conquer" attempt to destroy the world according to their bad geopolitical habit. They're trying to eat - in the sense that they have long been plotting a "game with knives", around which is the territory of Serbia. What the West did with Yugoslavia in the first half of the 90's, is not enough for him.

Candidate historical Sci., Researcher, Institute of Slavic Studies, Russian Academy of Sciences Mikhail Yambaev считаетthat Vojvodina and Sandzak, as well as Kosovo, are integral parts of Serbia under the constitution. Political scientist says:

“Vojvodina is not a disputed territory, but the theme of Voevodina separatists will be fueled by certain forces within the EU, and first of all, the United States.”


In the same way, the topic of Sanjak is “heated”. Separatist trends in this area

“Were outlined at the beginning of the 90s, when Bosnia and Herzegovina were separated from Yugoslavia, due to the fact that many Muslims live in Sandzak, or, as they are called today,“ Bosniaks ”or“ Bosnians ”.


The analyst expects surges of separatist sentiment in these two regions of Serbia.

In the meantime, the essence of the matter, from the Turkish side under the guise of fraternal commercial activity in the Balkans, there is a real expansion.

Elena Guskova, director of the Center for the Study of the Modern Balkan Crisis of the Institute of Slavonic Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, believes that Turkey is strengthening not only economic influence in this region, but also strategic. In addition, Turkey was one of the first countries to recognize the independence of Kosovo and became its patron. Beginning with the 1990s, and especially in the 21st century, пишет E. Guskova, the theme of the revival of Turkish influence in the Balkans has become a favorite topic of Turkish scholars and politicians. Not without reason, at his speech in Sarajevo in 2010, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu spoke of the Ottoman occupation of Bosnia as a history that needs to be updated. The revitalization of Turkish politics in the Balkans is connected precisely with the name of this minister, who was appointed to the post in the spring of 2009. Since then, activity has been indicated in all directions: diplomatic, economic, cultural.

Elena Guskova notes that, starting from 2009, the Balkans were invariably present in the schedules of visits by the country's top officials - Davutoglu himself, Prime Minister R. T. Erdogan, Turkish President Abdullah Gul, as well as parliamentarians and military officials. In 2009-2011 These individuals visited Albania, Montenegro, Romania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, and, of course, Kosovo. The Turkish delegations will certainly include businessmen who sign agreements on economic cooperation and investment. Sign - and then diligently perform.

From 2003 to 2010, for example, the volume of foreign trade between Tirana and Ankara grew 10 times: from 35 to 350 million dollars. Free trade agreements were concluded with the states of the region. Turkish firms built roads in Albania, a factory in Macedonia, an airport in Pristina.

As for the strategy, Turkey works with the political elites of the Balkan countries, invites them to participate in joint political programs and discussions of European and Asian issues. For example, in 2010, the leaders of Albania, Macedonia, BiH and Romania took part in a conference on confidence-building measures in Asia held in Turkey.

At the same time, the Islamic character of the Turkish state is not a hindrance to the international fraternity. The same Davutoglu during his visit to BiH said that Bosnians, Serbs, Croats are “part of one soup”.

True, in Sarajevo, Turkey did not support all parties, but Bosnian ones, and also raised the question of historical, religious and cultural ties, of the growing military and political power of Turkey, ready to support its brothers in Bosnia.

Further, Ankara is positioning itself as a mediator between the Balkan countries and NATO. A few years ago, future officers began studying Serbo-Croatian and Albanian languages ​​in the Turkish military schools. The strategic cooperation of Turkey with Albania, which joined NATO in 2009, is getting stronger: joint exercises and maneuvers of the Navy forces are constantly held.

In Kosovo, Turkey participates in training local police units formed by Turkish military and police instructors from the Kosovo Turks.

The President of the Republika Srpska (BiH) Milorad Dodik believes that Ankara’s intentions are in line with neo-Ottomanism:

“Their true desire is to revive neo-Ottomanism here. They are again spreading tales that 500 has reigned here for years, while they destroyed our national treasure. And Turkey at that time committed genocide over the Serbs. ”


He is confident that Turkey in BiH defends exclusively the interests of Muslims.

The closest attention of Turkey is now turned to the south of Serbia: it is here that the Muslim population lives. Here is located and Sandzak. His religious and political leader Zukorlich, after a series of visits by Turkish politicians, began to come out with a demand to grant autonomy to three communities with the majority of the Muslim population. Turkey immediately offered economic assistance and investments to Sandzak.

So, tearing apart Yugoslavia does not seem to be completed. Only now, in addition to the West, Turkey is involved in the matter.

Former Ambassador of Yugoslavia to Russia Borislav Milosevic says:

“... Serbia is also the 14th century, when the Serbian kingdom was hegemonic in the Balkans, and the people's liberation struggle against the Turks in the 19th century, and the Balkan wars, and the First World Epic, in which Serbia lost almost half of its population, and the unification of southern Slavs 1918 year, and “better coffin than slave” in 1941 year, and Uzhitsk republic (September-November 1941), led by the communists, and large-scale, as in nowhere enslaved Europe, the national liberation struggle against anti-fascism, and an integral part of the anti-Hitler coalition, and federal republics but it gained prestige throughout the world thanks to both its internal system (the socialist self-government of the workers) and its foreign policy of non-alignment with the military-political blocs. This is the recent struggle to preserve independence, against NATO and the Hague dictates and shame ... "


He adds:

“In the destruction of Yugoslavia, the main role was played by Germany, the Vatican, and America. And today, Brussels and Washington continue to intervene in the internal and foreign policy of our country, in effect pursuing their dictates. The people are divided and humiliated. ”


According to him, Serbia occupies a central position on the Balkan Peninsula and controls the strategically important Moravian-Vardar Valley - from the north to the Aegean Sea. Therefore, they are trying to isolate Serbia. Attempts at isolation Borislav Milosevic calls "permanent dismemberment":

“For a number of years, there has been a constant dismemberment of Serbia, support by the West for the country's centrifugal forces. This is not only in Kosovo, but also in the case of the Muslim Sanjak, or of the multinational Vojvodina. ”


According to the plan of irrepressible dissenters, Serbia should be shackled into a tight framework: it cannot exist as an independent state in them. She will have to accept the role of a “protectorate”, a limited territory under foreign control. It can be cut off from Macedonia, the ex-ambassador said, and she is already cut off from the sea. Serbia will not be able to control the Moravian-Vardar Valley and will lose its role in geopolitics.

Chief Editor of the Belgrade independent newspaper Danas, Mikhail Ramach talking on this topic:

“In the Serbian province of Sandzak, the majority of the population are Islamized Slavs, who in the past were called Muslims, at present they are Bosniaks. In Vojvodina, next to the others, the Hungarian minority is well organized. These and other minorities recognize Serbia as their state. But between them there are extremists. In the case of riots, they could demand that parts of Serbia join the neighboring countries - to Bosnia and Herzegovina, Hungary ... and Serbs from Republika Srpska - to Serbia. Thus, it is difficult ... "


Sandzak is located in the southwest of the Rash region. In recent years, there, including under Turkish influence, the radical Islamists (Wahhabis) have become more active, for whom the instability of the region is only on hand.

Quote:

“Fans of the Novi Pazar club constantly and openly express their contempt for national state symbols, accepting Islamic ones, and openly supporting Turkey.”


A significant part of the population sees its identity in the Islamic religion and those historical forms of culture that were formed as a result of the domination of the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans. It is curious that the Muslims of Sandzak are actually Serbs who Islamized in the Middle Ages.

In the period of the Balkan domination of the Turks, Sandzak was a special administrative unit, which is now emphasized by Muslims. And during the Third Reich, more precisely, in 1941, the local population supported the German occupiers. Why? It counted on the return of the autonomy of Sandzak, granted by the decision of the Berlin Congress 1878 of the year and canceled after control was established by the Serbian-Montenegrin authorities in November 1912.

In those days, Achief Effendi, a graduate of the Turkish Military Academy in Bitola, was the main fighter against the Orthodox Chetniks and partisan communists. It was he who united people with Muslim identity and, one might say, stopped the outflow of the population from Sandzak to Turkey.

The current leader of the anti-Serbian layers of the region is Mufti Muamer Zukorlich, who continually declares the oppression of the rights of the local population and demands autonomy from Belgrade.

The problem of Sandzak is extremely convenient both for the West and Turkey. The United States and Great Britain use it for constant pressure on the Serbian government. In Belgrade, there is a club "Friends of Sandzak", which includes ambassadors of leading Western countries. This organization certainly performs the functions of supporting the movement of Muslims of the region. It is also known that Mr. Zukorlich is in close connection with the Islamic leaders from Bosnia and from Kosovo: Mustafa Cerici and Recep Boy.

Many analysts believe that the problem of Sandzak is too acute to be solved by diplomacy alone.

The situation in both Sandjak and Vojvodina changed in the direction of increasing separatism in 2009, when the Serbian government made Serbia’s main task accession to the EU. In order to accelerate Euro-integration of Serbia and not without pressure from the Union of Hungarians of Vojvodina, actively supported by Budapest, a new law on National Councils was adopted.

Elections based on the new law passed 6 June 2010 in the 167 communities of Serbia. The voter lists included 460000 representatives of the 19 national minorities, of which 16 directly elected their representatives to the National Councils. In addition, in addition to the existing 15 National Councils, four more were created after the elections.

The competence of the National Councils has expanded: they received approximately 70 specific powers in the exercise of the rights of national minorities. The Soviets can now establish educational, cultural, media institutions; may require the introduction of official national language and script in particular communities; suggest changing the names of streets, squares, city blocks; to participate in the drafting of laws relating to national minorities, etc. The powers of the National Councils have become so great that the Serbian Parliament has since then not been able to pass a single law relating to national minorities without their approval.

Thirdly, the law allowed the inclusion of political parties and organizations of national minorities in the election process of the Soviets. As a result, the political weight of the National Council has increased dramatically. The Soviets actively interact with "their" political parties - first of all, this refers to the Hungarians and Bosniacs, who are talking about the issues of decentralization and regionalization.

As a result, the law 2009 of the year created a model of expanded self-government of minorities in Serbia - in fact, a legitimate model for the spread of separatism on a federal basis. Serbian President B. Tadic at that time expressed the opinion that the national minorities of Serbia in 2009 received such rights that no one in Europe possesses.

As for Vojvodina, the so-called groups of political activists have long been there ready on a signal from Budapest and with the support of the EU to implement a plan for the withdrawal of the province from Serbia. They interfere with one thing: the Constitution of Serbia. And to blame the notorious integrity of the territory, approved by the people.

In order to overcome this problem, in April 2012, the Fourth Voivodeship Convention passed, at which it was proposed to adopt the Declaration on the Foundations of the Unification of Serbia and Vojvodina. The word “union” is a pretext for a political pamphlet ...

In the end, the “unification” of Serbia would become the Federal Republic of Serbia, that is, it would in fact split into the Republic of Serbia and the Republic of Vojvodina.

Fourth convention organized small voivodina parties advocating the “revision of the constitutional position of Vojvodina” within the framework of the Republic of Serbia. Parties are small, but behave like big ones. They culminate Voevodina separatism and lead directly to the goal - the removal of Vojvodina from the Serbian constitutional field. With the filing of all interested foreign forces, of course.

And here again the name of Mufti Zukorlich flashes. It was he who created a coalition with the parties of national minorities from Vojvodina, so that separatism quickly spread to two fronts at once: Rash region, i.e. Sandzak, and Vojvodina. In one fell swoop, they say, two birds with one stone.

Here were revealed the sin of federalism, which once reached maximalism in Yugoslavia. Indeed, before the adoption of the Constitution 1974 year, пишет Miodrag Milikic, Vojvodina was considered an inseparable part of Serbia, as in the case of Kosovo and Metohija.

“But in this Constitution, Vojvodina and Kosovo gave a certain autonomy and authority, which spurred separatism in both areas, today we can see with our own eyes what result it has in the southern Serbian region and what it all led to. Since the history of magistra vitae, that is, the teacher of life, we could learn from our national history from the mistakes of our ancestors and not repeat them, but no one would listen to us until "our" government works under the orders of others. "


As a result, thanks to the special allocation of Vojvodina, it turned out that the provision of a high degree of autonomy serves so that “politicians and parties in the regional authorities earn more ...” As a result, residents of the region received separatism, which over the years only grew.

“It can be peaceful,” Milikich writes, “as in Catalonia or Scotland today, or it can be militant, according to the model of Cosmet, the Basque Country, etc. Judging by the way the youth of the largest party of autonomy supporters have been behaving recently The leagues of the Social Democrats of Vojvodina, within the framework of the organization AFANS, - Vojvodina will face a meeting with militant type of separatism in the future. People will say: “Yes, we, the Serbs, in Vojvodina 80%! What kind of separatism and what can they do with us? ”Indeed, there are so many of us, but groups of brainwashed young people began to emerge who claim that by nationality they are“ voivodzhane ”- voevodinists and speak“ voevodinsky ”language ...”


Russian analyst Peter Iskanderov считаетthat the European Union and the Hungarian separatists of Vojvodina represent now a united front, the aim of which is the final liquidation of the sovereign Serbian state and its return to the times of the Middle Ages and the Ottoman yoke. In addition to nationalism and Islamic radicalism, the desire for dismemberment is also related to the fact that at one time the League of Social Democrats of Vojvodina failed to take in the hands of the strategic oil and gas facilities and infrastructure of Serbia. That is why they headed for the state-administrative division of Serbia. What's next? And then further “cell division” is supposed: up to the transformation of a territory into a certain community of areas, each of which can be turned into a new center of separatism.

In fact, this is no longer a parade of sovereignties, but naturally about the game of knives: sovereignty or autonomy is not for the sake of “liberation”, but for private purposes, which the leaders of the West cannot but encourage — after all they will not wait for Serbia "protectorate".

And then, within the framework of the same strategy of the final dismemberment of Serbia, at the end of October the German “plan” for the north of Kosovo was approved.

In October, diplomatic sources Brought to the attention of the world community a plan for the north of Kosovo, specifying the provisions of the “German ultimatum from seven points”. The plan proceeds from the fact that the Serbian north will be an integral part of the Albanian Kosovo. And for that, Serbia will be called the date of commencement of negotiations on its accession to the EU in December. Beginning of the negotiations!

Anna Filimonova пишет:

“So, the West demands: Serbia should give Kosovo along with the north, leaving a kind of“ financial autonomy ”(the outcome of the Serb population in these conditions is inevitable), and completely surrender to the mercy of the winners - NATO and the Kosovo Albanians. However, the winners will never treat those who suffered a defeat in the war as an equal party. Serbia is on the verge of becoming a classical semi-colony (a formally independent country with a poorly developed economy controlled by foreign capital, whose foreign and domestic policies are completely under external control). ”


Karel Schwarzenberg, the first vice-premier and minister of foreign affairs of the Czech Republic, in October determined the current situation of torn Serbia. is he считаетthat Serbia is a country that suffered a defeat in the war with NATO, and therefore the current policy of the West towards it is determined by its fundamental starting point: the side that lost the war must pay the winner with resources and territories. And the current cohort of the European ruling elite, to which Schwarzenberg belongs, does not object to the idea of ​​giving the Balkans "to be devoured" by Turkey.

The representative of the United Kingdom at the European Parliament Nigel Ferridge declares:

“All politicians in the Balkans are only doing someone’s tasks ... but the key issues are solved in Washington and Brussels, not in Belgrade ... and I find it funny when they ask me when the New World Order will come. Because he came a long time. Good or bad - look at the global situation. Is everything normal, or is everything falling into the abyss? Decide for yourself. Serbia before the abyss! Serbian politicians are very intimidated and nervous, they don’t know where to get money ... The problem is that Serbian politicians do not take the trouble to solve something, they just ask Washington and Brussels what to do next instead of doing something themselves . Maybe the north of Kosovo will be Serbian. But hardly".


In the electric sense, Pristina has already lost its independence. She sold the entire regional electricity distribution network of the Electroenergy Campaign of Serbia, serving 400 thousands of consumers, to the Turkish concern Chalik and Limak.

Turkey same voices the idea that it is valued as a connoisseur of the Balkans and the peoples living there. That is why the NATO Council has given Ankara a two-year mandate for the role of assistant to the admission of Balkan countries to NATO.

And another opinion is expressed by other Western politicians: the Balkan countries are “unstable”, and therefore need Rurik, which will reconcile the nations and explain to them how to live stable, and at the same time teach them to their unobtrusive Western figure.

All these Western advisers and their Turkish like-minded people forget that the “peace” and “stability” mentioned above existed in Yugoslavia before “democracy” got into it, including with fire and sword. There was peace and stability in Libya and in Egypt (Hillary Clinton, by the way, considered this country under Mubarak almost the benchmark of stability), and in Syria. After the destruction of stability caused by the feeding from inside of separatism, the task immediately appears to build it - on behalf of the winner, claiming to set the tone for everything: in economics, in ideology, in strategy, in national priorities (the latter - exclusively on behalf of the oppressed minority).

And what do you want? New World Order has already arrived. Washington and Brussels rule the world. And where they do not rule today, they are going to begin to rule tomorrow.

Observed Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 8 November 2012 08: 09
    +1
    Serbia missed a historic chance to remain a single country - now everyone will pinch off piece by piece
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 08: 35
      +6
      The New World Order has already arrived. The world is ruled by Washington and Brussels. And where they do not rule today, they are going to begin to rule tomorrow.
      [/ Quote]
      Hello Oleg, thanks for the article, but I doubt very much about tomorrow. Thinking soon Muslims will rule in Brussels, and those politicians who are sitting there and thinking where else to go with their democracy will not last long. They wreak havoc, and only a naive child will believe that the chaos that they wreak haunt them. By Serbia, well, they have only one ally, Russia, there is no one to rely on Serbia anymore hi
      1. Mart
        8 November 2012 08: 39
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Thinking soon the Muslims will rule in Brussels, and those politicians who are now sitting there thinking that they will not last long with their democracy.

        Hello Alexander. Yes, a little more Arab spring, and Brussels will learn what a "new world order" is. He will come there directly from Kosovo. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 08: 56
          0
          Quote: Mart
          He will go there directly from Kosovo and will come. hi

          So they reap what they sowed. Sometimes it seems to me that someone from above has deprived their mind
      2. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 8 November 2012 09: 08
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In Serbia, well, they have only one ally, Russia, there is no one to rely on more Serbia


        Unfortunately, only the Serbs have one specific feature, they remember Russia as an ally only when a roasted rooster pecks in the ass. And how quiet and smooth .... what kind of union do we have with the mustache and in general why are you using your Asian face in European affairs.
        Actually, the desire of the Serbs to sit on two chairs ultimately led to the fact that the territory of Serbia is rapidly declining and shrinking to the borders of Serbia in the 19th century.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 09: 22
          +2
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          unfortunately, only the Serbs have one specific trait, they remember Russia as an ally only when a roasted cock bites in the ass

          Yes, it’s not only in Serbia, consider the whole of Europe, how it gets into the next G, they immediately remember about Russia and wait for the Russians to come to help. hi
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 8 November 2012 12: 02
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            they remember about Russia and wait for the Russians to come to help.

            Only when once again we gather to "help", let's do it ... without fanaticism ... pragmatically ... not for free, otherwise in the 90s the youth declared a lot (and even now it happens), they say, the winners live worse than the defeated ... From a material point of view ... somewhere I understand them ... hi
        2. donchepano
          donchepano 8 November 2012 14: 20
          0
          Serbs are closest to the Slavs of Russia. A lot of Russian officers after R. Evolution 17 left for Serbia and made up the backbone of the military elite. Actively participated in the resistance to the Nazis .. Serbia is an example of active resistance to the US-NATO military machine.
          All other accusations against Serbia are Goebbels’s famous propaganda and blizzard from a series of modern information wars.
          1. Xtra1l
            Xtra1l 8 November 2012 21: 11
            +1
            Moreover, this country has suffered so much and now lives in fear. She feels alone there, but suffers for support to Russia. among the people
            PS I love this country for everything
          2. mnn_12
            mnn_12 8 November 2012 21: 31
            0
            Dear donchepano,
            I do not dispute that now the Serbs hope a lot in Russia, but I don’t understand on what grounds you think that they are the closest of the Slavs to Russia. For more than 50 years they opposed the USSR, Tito was ready for war. Time will show what the situation is and what is trainee and unchanging.
            I’m more interested in something else. In this article not a word about Bulgaria. Namely, in Bulgaria, the Turkish offensive is the most crippling in the Balkans, and Russia is not visible and does not notice.
            Serbia is central to the Balkan Peninsula

            If this was true, then in the Yugoslav war Russia could really help Serbia. At least geographically, it is Bulgaria that is located in the center of the Balkans and not Serbia. And a real confrontation of expansionism of Ankara is impossible if Bulgaria is not meant.
          3. geo1286
            geo1286 9 November 2012 00: 10
            +2
            Quote: donchepano
            All other accusations against Serbia are Goebbels’s famous propaganda and blizzard from a series of modern information wars.

            And the recent joining of Serbia to the EU sanctions against the Republic of Belarus is also Goebbels propaganda? Excuse me, but I feel this "propaganda" on myself! They shit on the sly, although the Slavs ...
        3. Xtra1l
          Xtra1l 8 November 2012 20: 58
          0
          Serbs are a proud people like us (an example even the CIS rubs with us rubbing in our direction) and nothing will happen to it since our gas pipe passes there. For them, this is at least some guarantee of stability in world geopolitics
        4. geo1286
          geo1286 8 November 2012 23: 47
          +1
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Actually, the desire of the Serbs to sit on two chairs ultimately led to the fact that the territory of Serbia is rapidly declining and shrinking to the borders of Serbia in the 19th century.


          So they need goats! Belarus was almost the only country that supported the Serbs during the NATO aggression, provided assistance (military and humanitarian). Even Lukashenko flew there without fear of being shot down by NATO aviation. What do we have? Serbia and 7 other European countries joined the EU sanctions against the Republic of Belarus.
      3. geo1286
        geo1286 9 November 2012 00: 00
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They wreak havoc, and only a naive child will believe that the chaos that they wreak haunt them. For Serbia, well, they have only one ally, Russia, there is no one to rely on Serbia more hi


        Is Russia really alone? Do you know that Belarus helped them during the NATO bombing (military and humanitarian aid)? Even Lukashenko flew there by plane to Milosevic, not being afraid of being shot down by NATO aviation.
        But the Serbs did turn out to be shit, recently supported the European Union and imposed sanctions against the Republic of Belarus.
        "Doing good, do not expect gratitude"
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 8 November 2012 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: k
      And another opinion is expressed by other Western politicians: the Balkan countries are “unstable” and therefore need a “Rurik”,


      "The Balkans is a powder keg, but we cannot live without it."
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 08: 58
        +3
        Quote: Vadivak
        “The Balkans is a powder keg

        Which in the near future could undermine the whole of Europe hi
        Hi Vadim.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 8 November 2012 09: 11
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Vadim.


          Hi Sasha, Britain sat on its island and set the rest of the European states against each other. this is her motto - Divide and conquer,
          1. hrych
            hrych 8 November 2012 09: 50
            +1
            Here, Britain has grown either the son, or the daughter, a generally unknown animal, which after the last world war divided Britain.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 8 November 2012 10: 29
              +7
              Quote: hrych
              Great Britain divided


              weakly divided. It is necessary so that they experience their own skin from the horns to the tip of the tail. British shaves always fed. oh sorry not all the British elite lay then in the 18th century near Sevastopol.
              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 8 November 2012 15: 09
                +4
                Quote: vorobey
                not all the British elite lay then in the 18th century near Sevastopol.

                So the officers, warriors, and fingers bent at the court
              2. Kaa
                Kaa 8 November 2012 18: 05
                0
                Quote: vorobey
                in the 18th century near Sevastopol.

                Sorry, what happened then?
                1. Hemul
                  Hemul 9 November 2012 00: 30
                  0
                  I’m also sitting wondering what happened in the 18th century near Sevastopol ...
                  1. stroporez
                    stroporez 22 November 2012 20: 48
                    0
                    almost the entire officer corps fell. on this occasion, even the hearings in the parliament were. It’s probably well for the victory if the offspring of the noblest families died. In London, even the street is supposed to have their memory))))))))))
  2. alatau_09
    alatau_09 8 November 2012 08: 22
    +3
    A good example of the policy of the Anglo-Saxons and Jews on the destruction of objectionable states and peoples on the example of Serbia, already experiencing a difficult period ...
    Another lesson from the series "who is who" and "who needs it."
  3. hrych
    hrych 8 November 2012 09: 24
    +2
    The cool position of Muslim states in Europe (Albania and Turkey) was accepted by NATO, but not by the EU. Like: "For cannon fodder under our command, you are welcome ..." Cyprus and Malta, God forgive me, were accepted into the EU, and Turkey, which has been in NATO since the time of the king-pea, has been feeding everything with tales, although the first reason for the Caribbean Crisis was not the deployment of our missiles in Cuba, as is customary to ring on the Masonic media, and the response to the deployment of American missiles in Turkey, which Kenedy removed so that ours would remove missiles from Cuba. And the lovely Turks were amazed at the barbecue.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 8 November 2012 18: 19
      +3
      Quote: hrych
      And the cute barbie was persuaded by the cute Turks.

      Barbecue awaits them in the event of an attack not on the Balkans, but on Syria. And the "cooks" will be the heirs of this noble old man - the thunderstorms of the crusaders Salah-ad-Din - Kurd by origin ...
      1. hrych
        hrych 8 November 2012 18: 57
        +2
        Kind old man, wise Kaa.
      2. Hemul
        Hemul 9 November 2012 00: 34
        +1
        Your post caused me a lot of thoughts about the crusaders ...
        Isn't it a crusade - "Arab Spring"? And in general, what, excuse me, a fig, from the beginning of history, gayropeans climb where they should not go. What a thousand, what a hundred years ago, everywhere their blue faces are peacekeepers and "bearers of democracy."
        Mother Russia has never seen anything other than Berlin and Italy abroad in its history ...
  4. vorobey
    vorobey 8 November 2012 10: 12
    +5
    March, welcome. Your article was just in the context of another article. A month ago, the victory of the Serbs in the first Balkan war was celebrated.

    Quote.
    On Monday, October 100th, it will be exactly 30 years since Montenegro declared war on the Ottoman Empire and the First Balkan War officially began. Five days later, Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia joined. The war ended on May XNUMX of next year with a great victory for the Balkan allies. Five centuries after the conquest of the Balkans, the Ottoman Empire was forced to liberate this territory.

    the dialectic of the development of historical events has not been canceled. Everything continues in a spiral. If the Ottoman Empire reappears I hope the Serbs will also celebrate one day victory.

    http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20121004/200384707.html

    http://www.politika.rs/pogledi/Missa-Djurkovich/Balkanski-ratovi-vek-kasnije.sr.

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    1. Mart
      8 November 2012 10: 16
      +3
      Hi, Comrade Sparrow! How are you, how is your mood?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 8 November 2012 10: 25
        +2
        Why are we sparrows? The golden billion is about us.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 10: 42
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Why are we sparrows?

          Tweeted, tweeted and retweeted belay This is the last thing a sparrow saw and thought. crying
          Quote: vorobey
          Golden billion is about us

          Minus one laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 8 November 2012 11: 05
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Minus one


            Romanov, you probably haven’t yet encountered the omen that a sparrow in the windshield is a loss of money.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 8 November 2012 11: 13
              +3
              Quote: vorobey

              Romanov, you probably haven’t encountered a sign yet

              Brick into the lobbies, this is a loss of money, wink
    2. hrych
      hrych 8 November 2012 10: 30
      +4
      Let's hope that we won’t let the Ottoman baby grow up and grow stronger, stupidly do an abortion ...
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 8 November 2012 14: 32
        +1
        So far, everything is exactly the opposite.
        For their own or ours (well ...) for more than 20 years, Russians have been leaving billions of dollars in Turkish resorts, buying Turkish goods for clothes, Turkish builders are actively exploring Russian open spaces. Turkish intelligence is actively working, and agents across Russia through ethnic Turks in the Caucasus.
        Turks dream of revenge. New Osmania
        1. hrych
          hrych 8 November 2012 15: 07
          +3
          Yes, it’s full of you, let these Turks sew their jackets and work as footmen and concrete workers, while Sochi is not yet ready to receive all the tourists, most importantly, we are launching the South Stream, and their projects have died. But Turkish intelligence has no success in the Russian Federation, they supplied the Ichkeria with means of communication, through which Dudaeva also banged, in fact, the failure of the mission of the Meskhetian Turks in the Krasnodar Territory, etc. I would also tell a couple of jokes with their emissaries, but it’s impossible, they will still be imprisoned .
          1. donchepano
            donchepano 8 November 2012 15: 36
            +1
            Well, at least one is possible .. they will not be imprisoned, we laugh if that ..
            1. hrych
              hrych 8 November 2012 16: 10
              +4
              In general, a few years ago in the city of N, one Azerbaijani received money and goods for tens of thousands of bucks from the Young Turks for certain purposes, and he went and handed over the emissary, the latter to the cell, and the rich patriot was like that.
              1. donchepano
                donchepano 8 November 2012 16: 21
                +1
                it’s already pleasant that the Azerbaijanis are conscious, albeit brothers of the Turks ... Well, of course he didn’t interfere with sharing the happiness that had come loose - for our educational and patriotic goals for young people. And then our youth is abandoned, unlike the Young Turks
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 8 November 2012 15: 36
        0
        not stupid --- but, forcibly .................. more precisely in the definitions)))))))))))))))))))))) )))
  5. IRBIS
    IRBIS 8 November 2012 10: 37
    +1
    That's right, Turkey is trying to catch the "wind" of the spread of Islam as a result of the unprecedented migration of Muslims to the West in their sails. Using the results of the Arab Spring, Ankara is positioning itself as a new center of Eastern culture in the world. Let's not forget that all these plans directly affect Russia as well. Neo-Ottomanism is so far only potentially dangerous for our country, but after being tested in other regions, it will certainly begin to be projected in relation to us. Judging by the latest events in the Muslim regions of Russia, preparations for this are already underway. We need both urgent and long-term measures to "cool down" the hot Ottoman heads.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 8 November 2012 17: 00
      +1
      catching the wind is like mmm stop diarrhea ...
  6. Aeneas
    Aeneas 8 November 2012 10: 38
    +2
    Bosniaks, "Muslims" - former Serbs who have lost their common Serbian identity, and who have chosen the Muslim world that enslaved them as a civilizational landmark, cannot evoke any other feeling than contempt from the Serbs ... but Serbia, too, positioning itself as an Orthodox state at the beginning of the 20th century, led to the rejection and misunderstanding of their blood brothers who converted to Islam or Catholicism voluntarily or under duress. Milosevic, as head of state, played with Serbian nationalism, relying on the Serbs, as the largest national group of the SFRY, in the struggle for power. This was immediately taken advantage of by external enemies who bet on the nationalities ... The experience of the SFRY is also interesting for Russia, a federal and multinational state, so as not to repeat the negative experience of the Serbs.
    1. hrych
      hrych 8 November 2012 11: 19
      +8
      According to the latest census, the population of Yugoslavia in 1991 was 24,5 million people, and there were less than 8 Serbs, and that was spread over the republics, i.e. the Serbs in Yugoslavia were a minority, and they very successfully fought with all the scum, and if it were not for the intervention of NATO, they would undoubtedly have won. In Russia, the glory of the Russian god is more than 80%, but in the Soviet republics as much as the entire population of the SFRY. And with the threat of the death of the Russian world, the whole world will go to the furnace. It is not worth comparing Yugoslavia and the Russian Federation, rather with the USSR, but it is a pity that our president was not Karadzic or Milosevic, but unfortunately Gorbachev.
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 13: 40
        +1
        TYPICAL PICTURE OF WAR IN YUGOSLAVIA.
        This could well be in RUSSIA.
        1. hrych
          hrych 8 November 2012 13: 48
          +3
          So it was with the pacification of Ichkeria.
          1. Lech e-mine
            Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 13: 50
            +3
            Chechens killed the Russian-speaking population in the 90s in the same way.
            1. hrych
              hrych 8 November 2012 14: 21
              +4
              Unfortunately, many do not want to know this.
    2. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 13: 45
      +1
      You need to learn from the mistakes of others, but from your own mistakes it will be too expensive.
  7. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 11: 00
    +3
    I do not want such a fate for Russian mothers and wives.
    Russia was drawn into the 1st World War because of the Balkan - TOTAL millions of dead and killed.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 8 November 2012 14: 35
      +1
      Russia was constantly dragged into any
  8. igor67
    igor67 8 November 2012 11: 40
    +9
    cutting off the nose and ears of Suliots, they made the unfortunate eat them raw with spicy vegetable seasoning. One young man had skin torn from his head so that it covered his shoulders, and whipping him with the whip, they drove him around the yard of the seraglio. When Pasha laughed a lot, the young man was pierced with a spear and thrown into a fire. Many prisoners were thrown completely unscathed into huge cauldrons set on fire: they were cooked alive, and then they were thrown to the bodies of the dogs.
    Since then, the symbol of the cross has disappeared from the Suli Mountains and the echo has not echoed Christian prayers there. This is one of the small episodes that the Albanians who converted to Islam did, as they atrocified the Albanians by Christians. Excerpts from the book by A. Dumas Ali Pasha
  9. Oleg S.
    Oleg S. 8 November 2012 11: 49
    -1
    Yes, it's time to fraternize for the balkans !! We went to Asman by the war and still get off, but the current is without public !! Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, and the same Bosnia and Montenegro. Orthodox in most countries !!!
    3 reasons:
    - 1. Orthodox
    - 2. Slavs
    - 3. Brothers.
    It's time to put a Muslim creature on the count !!!
    I understand that all of us have not the best times (Belarus, Russia, Ukraine), but it’s worthless to forget about the Serbs, I was shocked that in response to the help of our volunteers they answered the same, Serbian volunteers served in Chechnya !!! Photo is avaiable.
    Therefore, I consider 100% correct intervention in Serbia,
    Yes, yes, I didn’t make a reservation when 2 almost identical flags will develop at the roadblocks. Turks will be in conflict 150 years ago.
    In the meantime, a reference and food for thought, 2011, a speech even under the former President of Serbia, Boris Tadic, Russian Ambassador.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7nUV_nqAYE
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 8 November 2012 12: 18
      0
      Quote: Oleg S.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7nUV_nqAYE

      Oleg, thanks for the reference. Mr. Konuzin pleased, knows how to cut the truth, mother.
      But, everyone is free to chop the branch on which he sits.
      1. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 13: 36
        0
        war in Yugoslavia.
    2. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 13: 32
      +2
      war is a dirty business (blood, dirt, cold, hunger and endless corpses) - take your time to rush into battle
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 8 November 2012 13: 40
        0
        swam ---- know
    3. Shuhrat turani
      Shuhrat turani 8 November 2012 16: 35
      -7
      Quote: Oleg S.
      Yes, it's time to fraternize for the balkans !! We went to Asman by the war and still get off, but the current is without public !! Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, and the same Bosnia and Montenegro. Orthodox in most countries !!!
      3 reasons:
      - 1. Orthodox
      - 2. Slavs
      - 3. Brothers.

      Your brothers have long been sold for Eurobaks or something like the Balkans, like the Russian elite has been bought for a long time and you will not see the Balkans =, not even Ukraine ...
      You can’t cope with the Wahhabis in your Caucasus, but you’re climbing into a neighboring state. Do not confuse historical eras.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 8 November 2012 17: 44
        +11
        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        You can’t cope with the Wahhabis in your Caucasus, but you’re climbing into a neighboring state. Do not confuse historical eras


        Nothing. Just one Airborne Battalion managed in the sale years. It will be necessary and now we can handle it. Crush your viper for the whole Wahhabi time will come. So do not rejoice much, Remember the proverb. Do not be dashing while it is quiet.

        1. Lech e-mine
          Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 17: 47
          +2
          WAS NOT YEVKUROV COMMANDING THIS BATTALON (current president of INGUSHETIA)?
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 8 November 2012 18: 19
            +4
            Leha e-mine,

            On June 12, 1999 an NATO invasion of Kosovo was planned.
            The Slatina International Airport, located 15 kilometers southeast of the city of Pristina, the only airport with a runway capable of accepting any type of aircraft, including heavy military transport, was recognized as the main strategic object for priority capture. . Through this airport, it was planned to invade the main forces of NATO. So on the eve of this airport was captured by a group of GRU special forces in the amount of 18 people. and they held him until the approach of the Airborne Battalion. So this group was commanded by Yevkurov at that time major. For which he probably received subsequently the Hero of Russia. That was at the end of May.
            The famous Pristino throw of the Airborne Forces (200 people / l) began later on June 10th. The task of capturing the Slatina was completed by 7 a.m. on June 12, 1999. According to the operation plan, after the capture of the Slatina airport, the military transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force were to land on it soon, which should have deployed at least two Airborne regiments and heavy military equipment. However, Hungary (a NATO member) and Bulgaria (a NATO ally) refused to provide Russia with an air corridor, as a result of which 200 paratroopers remained virtually alone for several days with all the NATO forces arriving. Elementary lacked food and water. Major (definitely not sure) Pavlov commanded the combined group - in the photo with my wife is already a colonel
            But all the same, in the end, the Russian Federation, controlling the only airport in the region, was able to dictate its position to NATO, which ultimately led to the fact that NATO allocated Russian peacekeeping forces zones of responsibility, including the Slatina airport itself being controlled by Russia.

            Subsequently, the famous British singer James Blunt, who served in the NATO group in 1999, testified to the order of General Clark to recapture the airfield from Russian paratroopers. Blunt said he wouldn’t shoot Russians even under the threat of a tribunal. In addition, Blunt told
            “About 200 Russians settled down at the airport .... The direct order of General Wesley Clark was to “crush them”. Clark used unusual expressions for us. For example - “destroy”. There were political reasons for the capture of the airfield. But a practical consequence would be an attack on the Russians ”

            In the end, the commander of the British Balkans, Michael Jackson, said that "He will not allow his soldiers to unleash the Third World War." He gave the command "to surround the airfield instead of an attack"
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 8 November 2012 20: 41
              +1
              YES. HEROISM WAS ... BECAUSE OUR POLITICANS HAVE DONE AND SERBIA AND KOSOVO AND STRATEGIC ACQUISITION
        2. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 9 November 2012 07: 56
          -4
          Quote: Ascetic
          Do not be dashing while it is quiet.


          Do not wake famously. that's for sure. It’s enough for the NATO troops, about SEV. THE CAUCASUS ABOUT 100 THOUSAND GROUPING IS SMALL ... You don’t know how to solve problems with your mind, you will beat your forehead against a stone wall all your life ...
  10. stroporez
    stroporez 8 November 2012 12: 18
    +4
    I would beware of the arrogant Saxons ----- I’m sitting right now and watching a story about Russian students who experimented with uranium in the kitchen, in centrifuges of their own design ......... this country --- cannot be defeated, and even the Slavs generally........
  11. in reserve
    in reserve 8 November 2012 13: 22
    +7
    The imposition of Islam in Christian countries "ordinary fascism".
    1. late
      late 8 November 2012 14: 16
      +3
      I watched this film and I advise you, although it is still Soviet-made. How were the fascists strong? The fact that they were a united front, a united nation. What did they achieve in our ranks? SPLIT - by nationality, by faith, by class. So be smarter! Serbia is already paying the bitter price of the consequences of the split. And we have representatives of all four world religions living in Russia, so we won’t repeat their mistakes. I remember that in the army I spoke with my Dagestani partner about God, how they see him and how, Christians ... Believe me, the difference is small. God does not order to kill, but the Orthodox Catechism and the Qur'an teach good should be with fists, but only to protect the weak to whom they gave strength.
  12. donchepano
    donchepano 8 November 2012 14: 12
    +1
    An interesting name for this Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs DAVUTOGLU ..
    translated from the Turkic son of David
    1. igor67
      igor67 8 November 2012 14: 25
      0
      donchepano,
      Everywhere you look for Jewry, Solomon-Shlomo-Suleiman, Maria - Miryam, in the East they are mainly called by names from the Holy Scriptures, and they are not inseparably connected with the Book as the source, you'd better on the topic, and not be distracted by the search for witches
      1. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 8 November 2012 14: 38
        +5
        Igor67! But what if everywhere pace sticks out?
        1. igor67
          igor67 8 November 2012 14: 43
          +5
          OSTAP BENDER,
          From the rocky platform, where the tents of the Suliot were defeated, unhappy women watched their defenders die in a terrible slaughter. From now on, they had no other destiny, except slavery, and other hopes, except the fate of slaves, who were to amuse and appease the monsters who had destroyed their fathers and brothers. But the women escaped shame by making a truly heroic decision: holding hands and singing the national anthem, they led a round dance on the peak over the abyss, sang a chorus and, with a long piercing scream, plunged into the abyss with the children.
          Not all Suliots left their native lands when Ali Pasha arrived there and ordered to seize and send to Ioannina those who did not manage to hide. The torture of these unfortunates became the main decoration of the festival arranged by him for the soldier. Each soldier was asked to strain his imagination in order to contribute to the invention of new torments. This is from the same place as my first koment above, damn where the fuck’s paes are, you won’t be able to turn this topic off.
          1. OSTAP BENDER
            OSTAP BENDER 8 November 2012 16: 43
            0
            igor67! But I am not perverting, but stating a fact! And, I will show hu-hu-hu, until the yoke of Judah disappears from my land!
      2. donchepano
        donchepano 8 November 2012 14: 42
        -3
        Igor Daragoi - I am an internationalist. and cosmopolitan by conviction. So not at the address
        But the name of the Islamic Minister of Turkey is really interesting .. So do not really get distracted by crap. Do you have any other business?
        1. igor67
          igor67 8 November 2012 14: 57
          +2
          donchepano,
          Thank you for Igorek, I haven’t said that for more than 40 years that strangers haven’t called them like that, they looked a bit minus, that is, are there defenders of Albanians who cut out Christians, or simply don’t know how to read?
          1. donchepano
            donchepano 8 November 2012 16: 26
            +1
            Glad to. And then if we just bite, then we won’t build anything good. to the enemies of the homeland to the joy.
          2. Alexey Prikazchikov
            Alexey Prikazchikov 9 November 2012 12: 32
            +1
            No man here is just Turkish ....... divorced. And you plus from me.
  13. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 8 November 2012 14: 59
    +2
    Already feasted on the wreckage of Yugoslavia, but no, everything is not enough! Well, nothing, the earth is round, everything will return to them. The United States itself is not far from collapse. Serbia will be with Russia soon!
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 8 November 2012 15: 14
      +1
      don't mind "golden".
      Serbs are persistent warriors. Do not interfere and a model for co-operation .. uev could become
      1. Goldkonstantin
        Goldkonstantin 8 November 2012 15: 21
        +1
        Did you mean NATO members? If so, then yes, you are right.
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 8 November 2012 17: 42
          0
          YES AND OURS ALSO. MFA WITH KOZYREV
      2. Lech e-mine
        Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 17: 04
        +2
        Battle grandfather
        1. Lech e-mine
          Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 17: 15
          0
          I won’t say the exact date; I don’t know (as I understand the photo was taken before the NATO bombing)
          1. donchepano
            donchepano 8 November 2012 17: 29
            +2
            MEANS YUGOSLAVIA ...
            WHAT THE NATO-YANKS HAVE PERFORMED THE SCUMBARS OF DIRECTLY DRAWBACK ... DESTROYED THE WHOLE INFRASTRUCTURE.
            WEATHERED URANIUM BOMBS INFECTED SERBIAN TERRITORY
  14. donchepano
    donchepano 8 November 2012 17: 11
    0
    Where is such a grandfather and what time?
    1. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 8 November 2012 17: 41
      +1
      pleasant moments in war
  15. Trevis
    Trevis 8 November 2012 19: 07
    +2
    Simple Russian soldiers.
  16. bart74
    bart74 20 November 2012 15: 09
    0
    The collapse of Europe is just around the corner