Bloomberg: Washington is considering the possibility of strengthening the Ukrainian army with Bradley infantry fighting vehicles

The Ukrainian army may receive American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, Washington is considering the possibility of supplying these infantry fighting vehicles to Kyiv as part of an additional military assistance package. It is reported by Bloomberg, citing informed sources.

The United States does not exclude the supply of Bradley infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine, but a final decision on this issue has not yet been made. At the same time, the parameters of the potential delivery are also unknown, so we cannot say how many BMPs Kyiv can receive and in what time frame. It can be noted here that the United States does not just have a lot of these armored vehicles, but a lot, and they plan to remove them from service, replacing them with a more modern model.

The United States believes that the Bradley BMP will significantly enhance the combat capability of Ukrainian troops, being a "worthy rival" to Russian infantry fighting vehicles and tanks T-72. At the same time, it is emphasized that in case of a positive decision, Ukraine will not be able to receive these armored vehicles quickly, since their transfer and training of crews will take several months.

There are many Bradley armored vehicles in the United States, although some of them are obsolete and in need of modernization, so stocks are not a problem (...) The Bradley will provide a significant increase in ground combat capabilities, since, in essence, it is a light tank

- said former White House analyst Mark Kanchian.

This event was met with great optimism in Kyiv. news, stating that the "new" American infantry fighting vehicles can significantly affect the situation at the front, because, unlike the M113 armored personnel carriers already delivered, they have more "serious" weapons in the form of a 25-mm automatic cannon and TOW anti-tank missiles.

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[Murmur 55]

Well, and there the Abrams are on the way, it’s not in vain that they brought them near Krakow (if I’m not mistaken), you look and the “Ukrainian” flyers will master the F series, Washington raises the bloody rate while itself, well, practically does not risk anything.

[dmi.pris1]

It was clearly stated that Russia would not be allowed to win. That is, one thing follows from here - there is no Ukraine - there is no problem.

[Murmur 55]

dmi.pris 1, there is another option if Washington loses interest in Kyiv, as it lost it in Kabul. But in the light of recent events, this is a purely hypothetical option.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Murmur 55

dmi.pris 1, there is another option if Washington loses interest in Kyiv, as it lost it in Kabul. But in the light of recent events, this is a purely hypothetical option.

He lost interest in Kabul, so he prepared to help Kyiv in the then upcoming 2022, so that the Taliban would not receive help from the Russian Federation. It's obvious, isn't it?!

[Negro]

Quote: Murmur 55

how lost it to Kabul

That is, in 20 years?

[iouris]

[quote = dmi.pris1] It was clearly stated that Russia would not be allowed to win .... -no Ukraine, no problem ... / quote]
You misunderstand: there is the USA - there are problems, no USA - there is no problem. I mean, of course, there is no US in Eurasia. And in the northwestern hemisphere, of course, there may be US military bases.

[Graz]

TNW must be used. it will only get worse

[yablocko]

apply, and what will happen? Ancient Kyiv will disappear forever, let's say with millions of civilians, Ukraine will receive the same tactical nuclear weapons, and hit somewhere ..
This was supposed to end a brilliant special operation?

[Vladimir 290]

I would like to know if you have any idea about tactical nuclear weapons? Who and what is it used for and what should it do in Ukraine?

[sdtreew]

Quote: Graz

TNW must be used. it will only get worse

TNW does not reach Washington.

[Pavel57]

If the tanks are on fire, then Bradley is definitely vulnerable to artillery. But in duel combat with BMP-3 or BTR-82 it can create problems.

[Vladimir80]

Dueling? 21st century in the yard! 10 months have passed, and we all live in fantasies from shopping mall star

[Romanenko]

With Bradley, not everything is clear, over the long years of service in various kinds of theaters, where the United States climbed with its democracy, the initially good car was heavily overgrown with armor and additional stray, increasing its survivability and resistance to external factors, and also, at the same time, seriously increasing it mass.
Strengthening the engine and transmission added speed and maneuverability to the big turtle, but did not reduce the ground pressure.
For this reason, it is still not at all clear how Bradley will withstand driving modes not on asphalt, but in viscous soils and in deep snow.
Shells of 25 mm caliber, of course, are available in NATO in large quantities, subject to the normal operation of logistics and their timely delivery to the formations armed with this BMP.
In a word, it is not a fact that such a gift to the Armed Forces of Ukraine will benefit in the dreamed volume.

[Negro]

Quote: Romanenko

In a word, it is not a fact that such a gift to the Armed Forces of Ukraine will benefit in the dreamed volume.

Seriously? Wouldn't it be good to have cars from the 80s instead of the 60s?

[Romanenko]

That's right, dear Zagorelik, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had more than enough equipment from the 80s, and sho, tse helped them?
Bradley is a very peculiar car, it is unlikely that anyone will have enough time to master it in detail in relation to the Ukrainian theater of operations, despite the rather powerful armor, good electronic filling and sharp teeth, these are more like irons than serious combat vehicles.

[Negro]

Quote: Romanenko

That's right, dear Zagorelik, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had more than enough equipment from the 80s

What's that stuff from the 80's? T-64 with BMP-1? Or do you mean Hummers?

Quote: Romanenko

Bradley is a very peculiar car, it is unlikely that anyone will have enough time to master it in detail in relation to the Ukrainian theater

What are you talking about.

Let me remind you that all NATO equipment of the 80s was created for the Central European theater of operations. That is Germany and Poland. Now Central Europe has moved a little to the right, that's all.
It is also not entirely clear where the time will go - I do not expect the end of the SVO in the next two years.

[bayard]

Quote: Pavel57

in duel combat with BMP-3 or BTR-82 can create problems.

It is unlikely that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will receive the latest versions of Bradley with maximum protection. But even if so, then against the BMP-3, especially in the forehead, a 25-mm gun is unlikely to be an argument (holds up to 30 mm.), But the 30-mm guns of the BTR-82A and BMP-3 will be very ordeal. And I’m generally silent about the 100-mm projectile or ATGM from the BMP-3.
But in any case, any armored vehicles entering the Armed Forces of Ukraine create known problems.

[Negro]

Quote: bayard

But even if so, then against the BMP-3, especially in the forehead, a 25-mm gun is unlikely to be an argument (holds up to 30 mm.), But the 30-mm guns of the BTR-82A and BMP-3 will be very ordeal.

In fact, the problem is to give the motorized infantry a vehicle that is normal by modern standards, and not one that the KPVT breaks through or Mukha. From this point of view, Bradley, even without the latest upgrades, is much better than the BMP-1, even from Polish combat units. At the same time, the BMP-3, let me remind you, from the Russian side they were knocked out quite well. There are now also a lot of pennies.

By the way, a "compromise" option could be the transfer of Bradley to Poland. Then the Poles will be able to supply and serve kopecks without restrictions, they have them like dirt plus production.

[Wildcat]

In fact, the problem is to give the motorized infantry a vehicle that is normal by modern standards, and not one that the KPVT breaks through or Mukha.

- the latest versions of Bradley are declared as protected from 30 mm "round" (which is unlikely, the stern was definitely not armored). For the 25 mm Bushmaster Bradley, all variants of the BMP1-2 / BTR70-80 are "available" "around" (only the issue of the BMP3 is ambiguous), the BMP / BTR themselves can only use anti-tank systems against Bradley (who has this ATGM).
TOU Bradley probably "take" tanks up to the latest T90 modifications.

IMHO, given the existing "native American" Bradley logistics support, this may be an even more unpleasant surprise than a similar number of Leorpads 2var4 from Finland or Spain.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine may have the same "moving parts for pits" that they do not have.
But, if we are lucky, the AFU will continue the practice of small groups of BT and the tactics of "slow squeezing", without cosplaying Desert Storm in a smaller area. As the old Russian proverb says, "You can even break Bradley if you're foolish."

By the way, a "compromise" option could be the transfer of Bradley to Poland.

Poland has already IMHO "contracted" for South Korean infantry fighting vehicles and has its own Borsuk; even the option of a "ring exchange" of Polish Soviet-style infantry fighting vehicles for something NATO was not discussed. Although, I admit, it would be logical - Soviet-style infantry fighting vehicles are still being replaced (Borsuk and RedBak), they still need to be put somewhere, so the Poles could have been patient with Bradley for several years.

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

the latest Bradley variants are claimed to be protected from 30 mm "round"

More importantly, they are not taken by fragments, AGS, RPGs and the like.

Quote: Wildcat

an unpleasant surprise than a similar number of Leorpadov2var4 from Finland or Spain

Just for 200 pieces of Leo4, more or less don’t care, they won’t do the weather. But BMPs will become a serious gain, especially if there are a lot - Bradleys are actually not limited in number, unlike Leo. Well, the very fact of "escalation" is even more important - Joe basically did not give any devices with a gun and an engine at the same time.

Quote: Wildcat

But, if we are lucky, the AFU will continue the practice of small groups of BT and the tactics of "slow squeezing", without cosplaying Desert Storm

Who will say now. Until 2025, there is plenty of time, until 2036 (2024 + 6 + 6), even more so. You can try all options.

Quote: Wildcat

Poland has already IMHO "contracted" for South Korean infantry fighting vehicles and has its own Borsuk

Well, it won't come in one week. They have more than a thousand kopecks, "just right now" only Bradley is available in such quantities. You can just use the LL mechanism, ride it and give it back later. Moreover, the abrams should come, everything will be in the kit.

[Wildcat]

Well, it won't come in one week. They have more than a thousand kopecks, "just right now" only Bradley is available in such quantities. You can just use the LL mechanism, ride it and give it back later.

For the APU, this is an obvious story: Bradley with his FCS, Bushmaster and Tou is better than BWP1 with his Thunder Cannon and Baby Rocket (if the Babies are still "alive", it is better not to discuss the BWP1 FCS).
For Biden, this is also, IMHO, an obvious story: in the 21st century, the Poles want to drive around BVP1 and wait for Borsuk / Redback - well, what can you do ... especially since "appetite comes with eating" - the Greeks on the "ring exchange" Germans were exchanged by Marders for BMP1s at the rate of "1 to 1", where are the guarantees that the Poles will not follow the example of the Greeks? So, IMHO, it’s easier for Biden to prepare 2023 “motorized rifle-armored Cossack” brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Bradley by the summer of 3 and launch them based on the program “24.02.2022. .

By the way, there is a really strange story with the Polish "kopecks": for some reason, so far, "on the sly" the Poles have not exchanged them through the "ring exchange in the Armed Forces of Ukraine" for something more valuable (as the Slovenes bought trucks from the Germans for T55).

[Negro]

Quote: Wildcat

So IMHO, it’s easier for Biden to prepare 2023 “motorized rifle-armored Cossack” brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Bradley by the summer of 3

This is clear. I meant a compromise solution from the point of view of this joke about escalation and Soviet-style only.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Bradley amplification? Rather, reinforcement of garbage heaps with scrap metal.

[Negro]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Rather, reinforcement of garbage heaps with scrap metal.

Well, that's nice.

[Ryaruav]

Bradley is a worthy opponent of the t-72? Don't make fun of my slippers

[BigMaxMack]

According to the statistics of battles, with the help of ATs, Bradleys destroyed more equipment than Abrams. And even more so, even try to shoot at the weak spots of any tank in the world with a heavy machine gun. You will be surprised.
And in general, the main thing is not the technique, but how it is used. If the t80 bvm is standing alone on the road, when it is surrounded on all sides, so much so that it turns its turret like a helicopter, then something obviously went wrong with you ..

[cold wind]

Quote: Ryaruav

Bradley is a worthy opponent of the t-72? Don't make fun of my slippers

The ravings destroyed more T-72s than Bradley's T-72s. Just a fact. Due to an order of magnitude superior means of reconnaissance and detection, BIUS and TOU-2 missiles, Bradley will have a high probability of making the first shot that he will not miss.

[alexoff]

Considering who they fought with, it's not surprising. I remember those with whom they fought and then went over to their side, they also gave Ibrams, who were burned from conventional RPGs. In general, if you look at the Iraqi campaign, Saddam's army had relatively few losses, they simply scattered in different corners.

[bayard]

Quote from cold wind

Bradley will have a higher chance on the first shot that he won't miss.

The APU is not the US Armed Forces, so I don't think they will have much of an advantage in situational awareness. So an ordinary infantry fighting vehicle with protection at the BMP-3 level, but with a 25 mm cannon. and yes - ATGM. Our infantry fighting vehicles have enough ATGMs, UAVs (including drums) too. The air superiority of the RF Armed Forces is unconditional, the Russian aviation has enough weapons, and yes, the infantry has ATGMs. So the BMP is like the BMP.

[Negro]

Quote from cold wind

The ravings destroyed more T-72s than Bradley's T-72s. Just a fact. Due to an order of magnitude superior means of reconnaissance and detection, BIUS and TOU-2 missiles

I don’t understand at all where the conversation about the BMP sun tank came from. Why, and there are enough infantry anti-tank weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - it seems that this was established back in March.

But it is with the BMP that the problem is. If Soviet tanks can still be considered conditionally combat-ready, then all Soviet infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers are just garbage because of the manic desire to swim. So the idea to give normal infantry fighting vehicles, and not to collect pennies from the police department, is very true.

[cold wind]

Naturally, an army fights against an army, and not individual types of weapons against others. It is impossible to argue with the fact that the BMP-1/2, BTR-60/70/80 are outright garbage. While they are fighting against each other, it is still somehow tolerable. In principle, both armies are at the level of the late 70s, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have at least some inclusions of weapons and equipment relevant to the late 90s. Accordingly, Bradley, starting from A2, is an extremely serious strengthening of the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Negro]

Quote from cold wind

In principle, both armies are at the level of the late 70s, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have at least some inclusions of weapons and equipment relevant to the late 90s.

)))
It was actually quite funny there. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are, frankly, the army of a third world country - in one discussion they recalled Morocco, so the army of Morocco and the Armed Forces of Ukraine this day and night. But due to access to Western COMMERCIAL technologies, they cover an indestructible and legendary sheep like a bull in the most technological aspects: space, communications, control. And given the recent recent emphasis on increasing quality versus increasing quantity (Russian mobilization was responded to by large-scale training programs for military personnel abroad) - the SVO is going according to plan and this plan is getting better every day.

P.S. As for the armored personnel carriers, the decision has clearly already passed to replace them with mraps. A normal decision, MCI is much better than any armored personnel carrier in everything except for cross-country ability. Especially if you put a modern combat module.

[aszzz888]

The United States believes that the Bradley BMP will significantly increase the combat capability of Ukrainian troops, being a "worthy rival" to Russian infantry fighting vehicles. and T-72 tanks

Especially "tanks". Moved out) there for good!

[rocket757]

It can be noted here that the United States does not just have a lot of these armored vehicles, but a lot, and they plan to remove them from service, replacing them with a more modern model.

. The cars need to be disposed of, it's obvious ... themselves, you see, as scrap, let the Kukuevites try for them.
So the equipment ... is working, but in fact, this is firewood for a fire, it has long been dry, it will burn quickly.

[alexey_444]

This is good, anti-advertising will be good, technology has not yet been created from 152mm or hail. And the hohland will cost them more

[Region-25.rus]

from 152mm or hail has not yet been created equipment

and what about us, 152-mm howitzers are sitting in an ambush behind every tussock and tree? With a density of one hundred pieces per kilometer of front?

[alexoff]

Well, if you look at how much we had in storage a year ago - in general, yes, they should sit in ambushes along the entire front 800 km long

[Sergey Obraztsov]

About this armored car .. Watch the old American comedy "Pentagon Wars" from 1998. Will cheer you up.

Well, for reference, something else ancient that will be sent to save on recycling:

The M2 Bradley is a United States infantry fighting vehicle named after General Omar Bradley. Created in the second half of the 2s on the basis of the XM1970 prototype, taking into account the experience of the combat use of the Soviet BMP-723, the design features of the German BMP Marder as a better protected and armed alternative to the M1 armored personnel carriers. Entered service in 113.

[cold wind]

Are you able to separate the real world and movies?

[Eugene_Eugene]

The invasion of a country whose infantry is oversaturated with anti-tank weapons, on such protected vehicles as the BMP-1, 2, 3 and BMD-2, does not make you happy? Are you laughing at the "Pentagon Wars"?

Quote: Sergey Obraztsov

something else ancient

Quote: Sergey Obraztsov

Entered service in 1981.

What can you say about the third behu? Very interesting.

[Negro]

Quote: Eugene_Eugene

Entered service in 1981.

)))
Always wondered, do these patriots really not know that almost all Soviet weapons are from the time of Vietnam? And that the "junk" of the time of the Storm in the Desert greatly surpasses it - since they were created specifically to deal with it?

[rotmistr60]

"new" American infantry fighting vehicles can significantly affect the situation at the front,

With each delivery of a new range of weapons to Kyiv, he immediately declares that this will definitely significantly affect the situation. This was the case with ATGMs, MANPADS, UAVs, MLRS, old armored personnel carriers ... Yes, they will probably increase firepower during the actions of their tactical groups, but Bradleys are not immortal and burn in the same way as infantry fighting vehicles with armored personnel carriers and tanks in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and obtained from -abroad. In the United States, the emerging pattern is clearly visible over and over again to include in deliveries all new (for the Armed Forces of Ukraine) types of weapons. If the conflict drags on for a long time, then American tanks, aircraft, and tactical missiles will appear.

[Boniface]

all because of Our "humanism" - unwillingness to wage a real war without agreements, unwillingness to break the logistics hubs of Ukrov and completely destroy the power stations, stop the supply of oil and gas through pipes, destroy bridges and transport infrastructure that allows the supply of weapons to the Nazis. Therefore, there will be further escalation from the US and Europe - Ukraine will be "pumped" with weapons to the last!

[Beetle1991]

Yes, Bradley is not immortal.
Like bmp1\2\3, btr 80/82 and other equipment.
The trick is that there is a war of "big numbers"
That is, whoever puts up more firepower in battle will win.
Of course, there are nuances in tactics, but the meaning is this: if the average loss is 1 to XNUMX, then you need to create an advantage in units.

And of course, Bradley is much more dangerous than civilian SUVs / pickups / trucks and minibuses that use APU.
And besides the 25mm bushmaster, there is also a tou2 ptur. That one more splinter. And the reserves of these obsolete tou are huge. And this is not a modern javelin. These tou were even handed over to the Syrian "democratic forces"
So Bradley will, in any case, enhance the capabilities of the

[Aleprok]

The Bradley infantry fighting vehicle will significantly increase the combat capability of the Ukrainian troops, being a "worthy rival" to Russian infantry fighting vehicles and T-72 tanks

tank rival? how is that?)))) it catches a tank shell with itself and destroys it or what? :))

[Region-25.rus]

tank rival? how is that?)))) it catches a tank shell with itself and destroys it or what? :))

no, it launches TOW ATGMs from an ambush, or even more than one ... or is there a KAZ on our T-72s? Or for such uryakalok-paTsreotov, the battle is seen like this - Bradley and T-72 leave for the open field, throw lots for who to shoot first and rush?

[Revolver]

Bradley vs. T-72? Not even funny. The T-72 projectile pierces through the Bradley in any projection at any range of aimed fire. Bradley can carry TOW? Yes, of course, but as far as I know, TOW does not shine with results against DZ. Here, when Bradley meets BMP-1/2/3, the results can be ambiguous, here, most likely, whoever opened fire first survived, although options are possible.

[cold wind]

Quote: Nagan

Bradley vs. T-72? Not even funny.

Not funny at all. This is a fight between a blind man and a sniper. The fact that a blind gun does not help him much. The Bradleys in Iraq destroyed more tanks than the Abrams, with minimal losses.
TOU-2 works great against DZ, especially in the version with an impact core hitting from above. TOU have long been outdated, they have already been distributed.

[Wildcat]

"During the Gulf War, M2 Bradleys destroyed more Iraqi armor than M1 Abrams. [36] A total of 20 Bradleys were lost - 3 to enemy fire and 17 due to friendly fire incidents; another 12 were damaged. Gunner one Bradley was killed when his vehicle was hit by Iraqi fire, possibly from an Iraqi BMP-1, during the Battle of 73 Easting.[37] infrared identification panels and other marking/identification measures have been added."

[Zaurbek]

TOU is a normal ATGM with a caliber of 150mm. Cornet analogue. All tandem missiles are there. There is even an attacker in the roof (but not massive)

[Fizik13]

Abrams with patriots will either give or not. Now Bradley...
So you can agree to aircraft carriers, wakes up to plow the endless waters of the Dnieper, controlled by Ukrainian crews ...

[Vladimir80]

aircraft carriers, wakes up to plow the endless waters of the Dnieper

this one is definitely not terrible for us, we will drown it with New Year's firecrackers and fireworks!

[nik-mazur]

The Ukrainian army may be armed with American infantry fighting vehicles Bradley

It must be understood that Ukraine has almost run out of its own infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Which, by the way, is noticeable from the reports, where the number of destroyed armored vehicles, especially tanks, has sharply decreased recently, but there are more and more armored vehicles (by the way, what is it?) And pickups.

[alexoff]

Yes, there's a lot going on. Hundreds of American howitzers are constantly captured by drones before being burned, although it seems that they should be heavily diluted with much more numerous Soviet guns, including self-propelled guns. Similarly, hurricanes with tornadoes in the Armed Forces of Ukraine have disappeared somewhere, Czech hail is increasingly appearing, what happened to Shilka and Tunguska is generally unknown, but there were a lot! Well, here the question is, of course, where did the crews go?

[Negro]

Quote from alexoff

what happened to the shilkas and tunguskas is generally unknown

Known. Tungusok never existed, Shilki have long been decommissioned, MANPADS are being made out of work. Even for object defense, Shilka needs modernization, but it is not clear why it should be done, more fuss.

Quote from alexoff

hurricanes with tornadoes at the APU disappeared somewhere,

Hurricanes, tornadoes and dots are long gone. There was not so much of this whole household, especially live ones.

Quote from alexoff

Yes, there's a lot going on. Hundred American howitzers

According to known data, 10-20 guns were lost. At the same time, for several months now there have been reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine provide at least equality in terms of artillery, at least in important areas. Now the main focus is on maintaining the combat capability of the already delivered guns, both foreign and Soviet. Repair, refurbishment, etc.

[Negro]

Quote from: nik-mazur

It must be understood that Ukraine has almost run out of its own infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Which, by the way, is noticeable from the reports, where the number of destroyed armored vehicles, especially tanks, has sharply decreased recently

So there is no movement, where will they be destroyed?

Quote from: nik-mazur

but more and more armored vehicles (by the way, what is it?) And pickups.

Commando tactics, light infantry attacks in small groups. In fact, the massive "disturbing" use of DRGs. No idea if that makes sense or not.

[Alexey G]

The 100 mm BMP3 gun, I think, will pierce Bradley both in barrels and in a patch, especially a cumulative one ... Yes, and paired and fixed together with a 100 mm 30 mm gun, it will give heat to containers with Tov 2 if they are flashed through. It will also be nice to see how this weighted miracle gets stuck in the dirt of the Ukroroads.
But the BMP 3 is faster than Bradley and lower in silhouette, and it can hide by reducing the clearance, and then bang out of an ambush. I don't think he will compete with us.
If the BMP 2 is of course, then it is possible, but I think Bradley will get stuck in the mud and will be destroyed by artillery and partly captured.

[Ilgizl]

It is necessary to strictly cover all supplies at the entrance to the territory of the Saloreich with continuous fire and, in fact, immediately deprive them of these supplies.

[Alexander Emrys]

Now the question arises "what to cover?". Calibers are expensive and limited in number, full-fledged strike drones capable of attacking something other than stationary targets and fully replacing Calibers are not available now either. Aviation does not fly across the Ukrainian rear, because the air defense is not suppressed, and they do not want losses. Strategic aircraft with long-range missiles are used for occasional demonstrations.
So it turns out that even if there is political will (and there is none), the destruction of Western supplies in Galicia is purely technically not a very realistic thing.

[alexoff]

And where did the many hundreds and thousands of ordinary Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and tanks, which continue to be searched all over the world, go? End chtol? Was there no loss?

[Negro]

Quote from alexoff

Was there no loss?

Why do you think so? Naturally, the technique is lost, it was barely alive. But this has nothing to do with Bradley's question - a penny BMP is never Bradley at all, no matter how you modernize it.

[air wolf]

These Bradleys in Iraq burned like candles, but what’s to be cunning, there were more than a hundred Abrams filled up, I saw a photo from a landfill in Iraq, there is a photo where our bops pierced the frontal armor of the tower, in a place where there is no thicker armor, traces of plumage are clearly visible .. .