Governor of the Saratov region: Air defense in the Engels region destroyed an unidentified object

An unidentified object was destroyed by means of air defense over the Engels district of the Saratov region. This was announced in his Telegram channel by the head of the regional administration Roman Busargin.

The governor writes that at the present time, members of the operational services have been sent to the scene. There are no threats to the security of the inhabitants of the region, Busargin emphasized in his message.

Earlier, the governor noted, in the Saratov region, inaccurate information began to spread on social networks, allegedly residents needed to be evacuated from Engels. But in reality, no evacuation from the city is required, Busargin reassured the townspeople. The governor also asked the residents of Engels to remain calm amid the ongoing events.

In the morning of December 29, information appeared on social networks that explosions were heard in the area of ​​​​the military airfield in Engels. Residents also reported air raid alerts. Then the city emergency services were sent to the specified area.

So far, the authorities have not reported which object was destroyed over the Engelssky district, where its fragments fell, and whether there is damage to property or injured people.

Recall that this is not the first attempt to commit sabotage against the Russian military airfield in Engels. On the night of December 26, air defense shot down a Ukrainian drone, as a result of the fall of fragments of which three officers who were at the airfield, who were engaged in the maintenance of equipment, were killed. Prior to this, they tried to attack the airfield on December 5th.

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[dmi.pris1]

Well, now it’s more clear. There’s nothing to fly here. True, from what hell did they fly there?

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

Earlier, the former air defense chief of the Moscow Military District stated that, in his opinion, the DRG is working from Kazakhstan, which launches these drones. It is really very close to Kazakhstan.

[Osipov9391]

This is not serious. The air defense of the CIS works there.
And to launch the Swift or the KR from a ground installation, you need equipment at least like a tractor.
And fill it up with fuel.
And there work is not for saboteurs, but for specialists with experience.

[edeligor]

150 km ... about nothing. and saboteurs are the best units in any army. Considering the information exhaust, khokhlopiteki from the skin climb from the effort. I will not be at all surprised by the Kazakh version.

[Osipov9391]

It's one thing "Mavik" or "Geranium". They can be fired from close range.
But they won't take as much explosives as they dragged the last device - there's half a ton.
This means that the Swift or a cruise missile on a trailer with a ground-based launcher has nowhere to drag it outside of Ukraine.
And again, this is not a job for saboteurs, but for specialists or dedicated people.
For example, from the Kharkov aircraft plant, which produced these gadgets and maintained them.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

It's one thing "Mavik" or "Geranium". They can be fired from close range.

And you are not surprised that there were already 2 effective strikes + today, and for all this time no one showed the wreckage of the Swift. but this is a hefty crap the size of a MiG-21 with a relatively small warhead (from 50 to 80 kg.) And there would be a lot of debris and quite large ones suitable for identification. But not only were they not shown, but there was no official confirmation that Swifts were flying over Engels.

Quote: Osipov9391

there's half a ton.

Where from?! You saw the traces of the explosion in the parking lot, there for 50 - 80 kg. maximum. Moreover, with a light shell.

Quote: Osipov9391

"Strizh" or a cruise missile on a trailer with a ground-based launcher has nowhere to drag it outside of Ukraine.

And UAVs of the type that they regularly let in Crimea / Sevastopol? There and warheads of several tens of kg. , and the range is sufficient to start from Kazakhstan, and delivering such unassembled UAVs through the same Turkey / Georgia / Azerbaijan will not be any problem.
My friend lives in Engels and is also inclined to the version that he is from Kazakhstan.
It's too far to fly from the Kharkiv region. It could have been taken once / not lit up, well, two ... And if it flew the third time and was shot down only in the target area, then you need to look at other options.
I repeat - no one has confirmed that the last times were "Swifts". In addition, although the Swift is capable of flying at low / extremely low altitude, it will be 500 - 300 m, and with such an EPR as that of the MiG-21, this is extremely unlikely.
And with Kazakhstan, we have no border at all, and small (yes, go and medium) heights are not controlled in any way.

[Osipov9391]

So then the RK-55 / X-55 launched from ground installations could be.
Ukraine made them in Kharkov, it could not even destroy and hide something from old stocks.
It is important to understand how they cross the Ukrainian border undetected.
And then there is no point in talking - as he moved away from the border by 150-200 km, no one pays attention to him.
We don't have anything else. Even now.

[your1970]

Quote: bayard

There and warheads of several tens of kg. , and the range is sufficient to start from Kazakhstan,

Quote: bayard

And with Kazakhstan, we have no border at all, and small (yes, go and medium) heights are not controlled in any way.

Quote from: dmi.pris1

You need to expect a stab in the back from the Kazakhs. They completely fell under the control of the Amers. So it is possible that the Amers are launching from the territory of Kazakhstan

Quote: edeligor

I will not be at all surprised by the Kazakh version.

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

in his opinion, the DRG is working on the part of Kazakhstan,

I will answer all at once - all that east of The Volga from Astrakhan to the edge of the Orenburg region is a steppe flat as glass. Moreover, the strip of Kazakhstan from the border of the Russian Federation in the same region - at least 1000 km wide - is also a steppe, in some places it is wavy but the steppe
The only significant change in the relief is the Ural River and the tail of the Ural Mountains in the Saratov region (below 100 meters). Both are far from Engels - the Urals are roughly 400 km, Ozinki 290 km. We have villages 20-30 km away can be seen with the naked eye
Ideally bare flat steppe is the dream of any air defense specialist.
I guarantee you as a resident of the border region from the Saratov Trans-Volga region
So the version with Kazakhstan is a very so-so idea

[Johnson Smithson]

My friend lives in Engels and is also inclined to the version that he is from Kazakhstan.
It's too far to fly from the Kharkiv region.

that 150, that 850 - it’s not so important anymore, the drone at such a distance is no longer controlled from the launch site - the radio horizon interferes, it’s only possible via satellite or on autopilot according to the flight task.
Only a large drone could take a large charge, but Ukraine has no other than Swift

Then we do not forget that in addition to Engels there was an attack on Ryazan, from there 700 km to Kazakhstan and 500 km to Ukraine.
Both attacks were on the same day, and it is clear that the drones were the same.

I repeat - no one has confirmed that the last times were "Swifts". In addition, although the Swift is capable of flying at low / extremely low altitude, it will be 500 - 300 m, and with such an EPR as that of the MiG-21, this is extremely unlikely.

What do you mean nobody confirmed it? There was an official statement from the Ministry of Defense that Swifts.

the flight altitude of 300-500 meters was at the Soviet Strizhzh, which was made 50 years ago, it is clear that now only a glider and an engine were used from it, and modern, Soviet brains and an autopilot were installed and could not fly to the desired point at such a distance, and already they said that an American company helped them make control with targeting

with modern control, nothing prevents Strizh from going 50 meters with an envelope of the terrain, as all cruise missiles do, the Americans also have electronic maps of Russia with accurate relief up to centimeters, with buildings, with radar zones

[Osipov9391]

I will tell you even more. These electronic maps are available on the Internet for download by anyone.
With the terrain and special programs used by the military of the Russian Federation.

Then, even if the Strizh was moved aside, Ukraine had Kh-55 missiles and the like (RK-55, etc.) that could be adapted for launch from ground installations.
Everything was done in Kharkov. And if you introduce modern electronics, then the characteristics will be no worse than the Tomahawk.
As in the case of the Strizh, only the hull and engine can be taken from those Soviet CDs.
Everything else is up to date.
Even if GPS is suppressed for certain objects, the satellite correction system can switch to GLONASS or Galileo.
Now there is such equipment working with all satellite systems.

[Johnson Smithson]

Now there is such equipment working with all satellite systems.

Yes, now any GPS receiver (this is a tiny chip less than a penny in size) works with all systems at once, Glonass, Chinese Beidou and GPS,

there is no point in the European Galileo yet, there are still few satellites and low accuracy, and in 2019 they simply turned off for several weeks

and this has been the case for 7 years or more, now they simply don’t produce chips for one system, they work with everyone
I don’t know why recently they wrote about it as about some kind of achievement)

about satellite signal suppression, cruise missiles have an inertial navigation system; it doesn’t need a satellite, it is now also being done on tiny gyroscope chips and accelerometers, and such chips are even in drones for 10 thousand rubles

now it’s all cheap and massive, and you don’t need a lot of mind to assemble a guidance system

[Osipov9391]

That's what they do in Russia in terms of SNS chips.
This one, for example, is large and goes to aviation receivers, works with GLONASS and GPS: https://www.angstrem.ru/catalog/mikrokontrollery/1013vts1t/
This one is small and designed for UAVs and missiles. It can work both on its own and as a micro-assembly designed for aviation equipment and can receive accelerated military navigation signal protocols:
http://i-progress.tech/products/bis-i-sbis/spetsialnye-sbis/sbis-k1917va014/

All this is available and even a private person can buy something similar on the Internet for several thousand rubles or less.

Strange as it may seem, but the development and assembly of all electronic equipment for the RK-55 Granat cruise missile or the Strizh UAV is quite within the power of a private individual in a small workshop.
To the layman it seems incredible, but it is true.
Microgyroscopes and accelerometers are also made by us and they are available to everyone.
Terrain avoidance radio altimeters can also be purchased.

[BecmepH]

The air defense of the CIS works there.

What are you speaking about? Twice they flew to Engels past the working air defense.
I also thought about Kazakhstan? After all, we are no longer their friends, judging by their actions. Yes, they have the same language.

[UAZ 452]

By the way, I had such an idea when I read about the fate of the air defense structures over the past decades, impressed by the number of reorganizations, resubmissions, mergers, renaming - is there anything left of the air defense itself? One Moscow Air Defense District 1 in 1998 was renamed and reorganized FIVE times! There, in these decades, at least someone was engaged in just combat duty, routine service, and not an endless organizational staff? The question is rhetorical.

[dmi.pris1]

You need to expect a stab in the back from the Kazakhs. They completely fell under the control of the Amers. So it is possible that the Amers are launching from the territory of Kazakhstan

[Murmur 55]

dmi.pris, it is not reported what type and model of the drone was used, therefore, we cannot understand where it flew from, we can only offer, the specialists know but are silent.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

It was this version that he voiced, the borders, he says, are "transparent" there, the trajectory of the drone can be set from such a distance, whatever, as if it had flown from Mars. There are also strategists in Kursk, but for some reason, "swifts" do not fly to Kursk (which is much closer from 404th than to Engels).

[Shkodnik65]

And where did you get the idea that there are strategists in Kursk? They don't and never have. At the eastern airfield there are ordinary "whistles". Do not mislead people. And, yes, Swifts flew to Kursk. Again by. If that I'm from Kursk.

[Osipov9391]

As I understand it, only MiG-29SMT and Su-30SM lived in Khalino in Kursk?
Is it not there that a Ukrainian drone recently blew up a fuel storage facility that burned for 2 days?

[28st region]

Something out of non-science fiction. From Kazakhstan and even DRG. I tried to find this information online. The Internet looked at me strangely.

[ABC-schutze]

It doesn’t matter “from where” ... Does anyone in the Defense Ministry and the General Staff still believe that in the context of air defense / missile defense, Russia has “safe” perimeters? .. Even from allied Belarus? ...

If "yes" ... Well, then - "good night", comrade chiefs ...

[28st region]

Break not build. First they broke everything, but what instead? Instead of just a hole.

[engineer74]

Quote: 28st region

Something out of non-science fiction. From Kazakhstan and even DRG. I tried to find this information online. The Internet looked at me strangely.

If "the Internet somehow looked at me strangely", then there is reason to believe that "the truth is somewhere nearby" ©

[iouris]

Quote: oleg-nekrasov-19

Earlier, the former head of air defense of the Moscow Military District stated that, in his opinion, the DRG was working from Kazakhstan

So what. I am not a "former boss", but after each "incident" with a UFO, I put forward such a version here and even suggested that Kazakhstan would have to be taken under control at the very least ... Otherwise, under the threat of Sary-Shagan and Baikonur (Leninsk) and the areas where the Strategic Missile Forces are based in Orenburg region. As far as I remember, they poked me minuses for this (although earlier it was customary to kill messengers who brought bad news in anger, for defusing).
We no longer have strategic depth.
Thanks to the party for our happy childhood!

[Shkodnik65]

Earlier, the former air defense chief of the Moscow Military District stated
What is he, a specialist? As far as I know, the District Air Defense are military and have nothing to do with the country's air defense. They have completely different tasks, tactics, structure, etc. They have different complexes. They even have their own military schools and academies. Their task is to cover the troops on the march and in the database zone. In short, in the case of Saratov, he is not a specialist from the word absolutely and his opinion is like the opinion of some kind of artilleryman or sapper.

[igork735]

It was funny about the air defense of the Moscow District. The air defense forces of the country are exactly about them.

[UAZ 452]

It’s not funny, but the Moscow Air Defense District (later it was repeatedly renamed and reorganized, as is usual with us, only over the past 20 years - FIVE renames, with a shake-up of the state, now it is the 1st Air Defense and Missile Defense Army (special purpose)) and air defense of the Moscow District are very different structures.
By the way, I had such an idea when I read about the fate of the air defense structures over the past decades, impressed by the number of reorganizations, resubmissions, mergers, renaming - is there anything left of the air defense itself? There, in these decades, at least someone was engaged in just combat duty, routine service, and not an endless organizational staff? The question is rhetorical.

[28st region]

The Internet does not forget anything. Try to find proof that

Quote: Shkodnik65

Earlier, the former air defense chief of the Moscow Military District stated

I didn't find it, you might be lucky.

[UAZ 452]

I hope that this time the wreckage of the successfully destroyed object did not damage the equipment and did not kill the personnel. Maybe, after all, our air defense should successfully destroy enemy "goodies" at least a couple of kilometers from the airfield and other protected objects?

[ABC-schutze]

Yes ... This is a completely logical question ...

And "can not" the so-called. "echeloned" air defense / missile defense of the Russian Armed Forces, to detect and destroy these very "unidentified" objects even as they approach the Russian border? .. In any case, from the territory of the former united Ukraine? ... Incl. and over the new territories that became part of Russia? ..

[lis-ik]

defense over the Engels district of the Saratov region, an unidentified object was destroyed

Well, there will never be a first contact.

[certero]

It seems to me alone that no drones should fly to Engels at all

[Pulkovo1942]

It seems to me alone that no drones should fly to Engels at all

I hardly believe that they are launched from the territory of Ukraine (Kharkov region). Fly over Belgorod, Voronezh and a piece of Saratov ...?

PS Greater some of the Points were intercepted, but here the fool is no less.

[Osipov9391]

Judging by the power of the last explosion, there was about half a ton of explosives.
This means something big and heavy that could easily fly 1000 km or more.
weighing several tons.
Either a converted Strizh, or Relief, Granat, Kh-55 cruise missiles or their Ukrainian conversions launched from ground-based launch facilities somewhere in the Poltava / Kharkov region.

But let me clarify. It is important to understand WHY he is not shot down over Ukrainian territory or near the border.
After this goal has moved away from the border with Ukraine by 150-200 km, no one pays attention to it. Taking over their planes.
Simply because all small aircraft in the country, private aircraft, etc. fly without transponders of the "friend or foe" state identification system.
Therefore, ATC and air defense services do not identify such objects.

[Thrifty]

Osipov 9391 - they don’t shoot down because there is nobody and nothing, our air defense is focal, tracking radars were only in the days of the USSR, the optimization of everything in a row, including the armed forces, will go sideways more than once!

[Osipov9391]

This is partly true, but even at civilian airports there are good surveillance airspace control radars and PRV radio altimeters.
They probably see devices like "Strizh" and the like.
But they just don't pay attention.
It does not interfere with air traffic and that's it.

[Thrifty]

Hey, minusoids, what’s not true? Do we have a “friend or foe” answering machine on each bucket? How many private aircraft do we have equipped with such an answering machine? that they are not massively shot down!

[Osipov9391]

And I practically don’t put these pluses and minuses - I don’t even look at them. It's not mine.
I always try to be specific and to the point.
Probably 96-98% of private aircraft are not equipped with defendants - they are not there.
Moreover, I will say that imported helicopters of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and police may also not have these defendants and also fly as unidentified.
Even our Ka-226 may not have these defendants! Expensive and difficult. Here.

As such, there is no concept of band gaps in most cases.
And why ? But because Engels and Saratov are actually one agglomeration divided by a river.
There is a civil airport in Saratov. There are no prohibitions.
Next is a matter of chance. Step left, step right, a second or two. And the apparatus is already above Engels.

In addition, in Petrozavodsk and Perm, for example, fighters live in civilian airports. The so-called joint basing.
It's even more difficult there.

[Pulkovo1942]

Judging by the power of the last explosion, there were about halftone explosives.

There is a video on the web outbreaks (if you are about December 26th) from the explosion. It can be anything: a fuel truck, etc. And the Dyagilevo airfield in Ryazan (where the Tu-22M3 was ripped off), what kind of "half-tons of explosives" are there?

Taking over their planes.

Yeah, they can’t distinguish an airliner from a cruise missile / drone)))

[Osipov9391]

The explosion on December 26 is an explosion of explosives. It's the explosives. And she had a lot.
Airliners are a completely separate topic - they all go according to schedule and plan.
But it is unrealistic to distinguish small private planes, small aircraft flying without identification transponders from the Ukrainian cruise missile / drone on the radar screens.
They are all unidentified targets.

[edeligor]

After this goal has moved away from the border with Ukraine by 150-200 km, no one pays attention to it. Taking over their planes.

Sorry, but your knowledge on this topic is depressing ... This is possible with a flight altitude of 20-40 meters.

[Osipov9391]

Nothing like this. Even if it flies for several kilometers, few people will pay attention to it when the object has moved 150-200 km from the border.
I repeat, ALL small aviation in the country (and even not only it) flies without responders of the state identification "Friend or foe".
And all such objects look like unidentified. It is not customary to pay attention to them if they do not interfere with air traffic as they pass through the areas of airports and air traffic control.

[28st region]

The points were intercepted when they flew to Donetsk, where the air defense is saturated. Do you remember how Ukrainian helicopters attacked an oil depot in Belgorod, destroyed it and left with impunity. How many cases of attacks by Ukrainian UAVs of various objects on the territory of the Belgorod region, Kursk, Voronezh.
We have a very weak radar field. After Ivanov started, and Serdyukov finished creating the army necessary for no one knows what. Clever words were spoken. Where air defense divisions previously stood, give something to the regiments or brigades to remain, and even then the composition has been reduced to a minimum compared to the previous ones. There is not a single regiment of the full complement of S-300, S-400, 2-3 zrdn each, and it is believed that they have reconnaissance means, which means RTV is not really needed,

[Osipov9391]

This is so.
But there are PRVs and good airspace control radars at civilian airports.
For example Volgograd. The larger and more serious the airport, the steeper these systems.
The controllers have flights according to the list through the areas of responsibility + requests for airspace from small aircraft that are not equipped with identification transponders at all.
And all the last targets on the controllers' screens look like unidentified ones - there is no information on them. Only oral applications for departure from the owners of these funds if they have submitted them.
The dispatcher sees an object moving from the northwest to the east.
If it does not interfere with air traffic, then they will most likely give up on it.

[UAZ 452]

After Ivanov started, and Serdyukov finished creating the army necessary for no one knows what.

It was not Ivanov who began to create the parade-ostentatious army, and it was not Serdyukov who finished it. The time frame will be much wider.

[Amper]

Yes, I want to believe that superdrones are successfully launched from the nearest district, where there is no security, and Shoigov's layered air defense is the best in the world! Leave the people something for a little joy!!!

[your1970]

Quote: Amper

Shoigovskoe layered air defense - best in the world! Leave the people something for a little joy!!!

Yes, compared to the USSR - which Rust missed on Red Square .....

[UAZ 452]

If we have "superdrones" launched from anywhere, and this "echeloned" one cannot even say where, then I see no reason even for a little joy. It’s better to have drones flying unhindered from Ukraine than to understand that we control our territory so well that Mykols with a mortar in the back of a van can shoot from the nearest fishing line at least in Moscow. I’m generally silent about bridges, pipelines and power lines - if the Crimean bridge was not saved, then the security of the same Saratov is even less frightened than the air defense of the Engelsky airfield before the first arrival - they signed the briefing log, and count the raven ...

[certero]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

I hardly believe that they are launched from the territory of Ukraine (Kharkov region). Fly over Belgorod, Voronezh and a piece of Saratov ...?

Well, then where do they launch such a hefty thing like the Tu-141?

[Osipov9391]

There is nothing surprising here.
All small aviation in Russia and private aircraft fly around the country without responders of the state identification of the "friend or foe" system.
Such aircraft are not equipped with them.
And now only dozens of such planes and helicopters can be located in the sky of the European part of Russia at the same time.

Therefore, after this object has moved 150-200 km from the Ukrainian border, no one pays attention to it.
Perhaps the airport dispatcher in Volgograd and see them but do not attach importance to taking them for private jets or something else.

[yuriy55]

In the morning of December 29, information appeared on social networks that explosions were heard in the area of ​​​​the military airfield in Engels.

Right, explosions? Not cotton?

On the night of December 26, air defense shot down a Ukrainian drone, as a result of the fall of fragments of which three officers who were at the airfield, who were engaged in the maintenance of equipment, were killed.

I feel sorry for people ...
Condolences to relatives and friends ...

[Woodman]

Earlier, the governor noted, in the Saratov region, false information began to be disseminated on social networks,

And what about the responsibility for spreading fakes? When will the mechanisms of blocking, fines and other repressions begin to work?

[Osipov9391]

I won’t be surprised if it turns out that Ukraine is delivering attacks on Engels with cruise missiles launched from ground-based installations that could have been created earlier or were lying somewhere in warehouses.
Cruise missiles RK-55 or Kh-55. Or something of their own created on their basis.
The fact is that in Kharkov there was a production of these missiles, the engines were made in Zaporozhye.
All equipment and technical documentation remained there.

In addition, Ukraine had a very large number of Kh-55 missiles from Soviet times that were either transferred to Russia or destroyed.
But perhaps not all have been destroyed. Some were kept.
And since there is experience in creating ground-based launchers for the Neptune anti-ship missiles, it will not be difficult to create a similar one for launching the missile launcher.

Then it is clear why such a low-altitude target is not seen by air defense systems.

[UAZ 452]

In addition, Ukraine has had a very large number of Kh-55 missiles since Soviet times...
Then it is clear why such a low-altitude target is not seen by air defense systems.

That is, do you think it is normal that our air defense does not see the CD of the Soviet era? What then should it see? And what are the chances of intercepting more modern products?

[Osipov9391]

I consider it abnormal.
But it is also impossible to install air defense systems every 15-20 km on the entire Ukrainian border - there are not so many of them.
A task for AWACS and fighter aircraft.

If the Soviet drones / KR really couldn’t catch over the border, then the chances of intercepting the AGM-158 or Thunder Shadow are generally fantastic.

[I dare to_notice_]

Air defense in the Engels region destroyed an unidentified object,
It is a pity.
And the first contact could finally take place. (sarcasm)

[I dare to_notice_]

UFO (unidentified flying object). Aliens...
For those six in armored cars. )

[break_beats]

Each time with such a record, I expect that the text will indicate an Unidentified Flying Object in the context of an extraterrestrial civilization, and here, as always, an ordinary prehistoric drone

[UAZ 452]

and here, as always, an ordinary prehistoric drone

Let's add - a prehistoric drone, which has already several times successfully hit the most protected (and what else can be strategic aviation airfields?) Objects in the country.

[your1970]

Quote: UAZ 452

successfully hit the most protected (and what else could be strategic aviation airfields?) Objects in the country.

And Red Square in the center of Moscow was the most protected object - when did Rust sit on it?

[UAZ 452]

Even as it was - for that landing the minister was removed, and a bunch of other comrade generals. And now everything seems to be in the order of things, soon there will be flights around Moscow, and we will quickly get used to it.
PS I didn’t quite understand why your comment was downvoted, but here it’s pointless to look for logic in the assessments, it often doesn’t exist, they vote with a fiery heart.

[Osipov9391]

I already wrote that the "Granat", "Relief", the usual X-55s, which Ukraine at one time could not completely destroy, are probably in warehouses somewhere.
In addition, the Kharkov Aircraft Plant had the ability to produce such missiles as it was engaged in them.
Engines from Zaporozhye.
From ground installations, they are easily converted and launched.
Ukraine has no problems with this.

[break_beats]

Quote: I dare_notice_

Air defense in the Engels region destroyed an unidentified object,
It is a pity.
And the first contact could finally take place. (sarcasm)

What is the first, long contact established

[alexey_444]

If we behaved like Ukrainians, or at least like Americans from occupying Walt Street or French with yellow vests, then there would be fewer such cases, we were going to re-educate Bendera under Stalin. Generous Russian soul...

[Osipov9391]

Even if we assume that such hotels flying from Ukraine find the dispatcher of the Volgograd air hub, it’s not a fact that they pay attention to them.
There is a flight plan. There are applications for flights, they are in a different folder. And all the rest fly past if they do not interfere with others.
But let's say a miracle happened and the dispatcher showed vigilance.
They start with a simple "Who are you?" , "Where are you flying to?!" , "Where are you from?" and etc.
If it is deaf and contact is not established, then the dispatcher needs to contact the military.
And whether he has this connection and what level is unknown.
Even if there is access to the flight director of the Engels airbase, then again, there are no air defense weapons at the airfield.
He needs to contact the air defense crew covering the airfield along the chain and say "Shoot down that one!".
And whether there is such a connection or not is also not clear. And what kind.

Then, to shoot down a gadget weighing several tons, of which half a ton of explosives somewhere above Saratov or Volgograd, few will be a wild responsibility.
Here we need coordination almost at the level of the Minister of Defense.

And only only when everyone is convinced that there is an enemy missile or drone in front of them.
And not a local official on his plane who forgot to take an application for departure.

[PC]

Very interesting interview with Tsargrad Sivkov. https://kemerovo.tsargrad.tv/articles/konstantin-sivkov-vmesto-pobedy-nas-gotovjat-k-porazheniju-rossii_694967

[Amper]

False information makes you think WHAT could it be the Second MH17 or Aircraft #1!!?? Hit on everything that moves? Can't trace, can't identify!? In what century did MO go on a spree? Business, not up to defense!?

[odometer]

Still, we really have fools in store for a hundred years ... Because of such people, we can repeat and all the winners, in the NWO the army is choking with blood, and this pack of grunting pigs already wants to stick their snouts somewhere else. Come to Lisbon already...

[Mikhail Ya2]

That is, they shot down something, not knowing what? What if it's a civilian object? And if the military, but the connection is broken?

[Mecheslav]

Maybe some big birds? Or an amateur gyroplane?