The Armed Forces of Ukraine explained the resumption of the distribution of subpoenas on the streets

Delivery of subpoenas on the streets of Ukrainian settlements is justified. This was told to Ukrainian television by the head of the personnel department of the headquarters of the command of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Roman Gorbach.

Earlier, Ukrainian media reported that in many cities of the country, subpoenas began to be distributed on the streets. Employees of the territorial recruitment centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (an analogue of the military commissariats) stop men from 18 to 60 years old and hand them summonses against signature.

As the Ukrainian officer noted, it is very difficult to hand over subpoenas to the registration addresses of those liable for military service. People do not open the doors, so the employees of the territorial recruitment centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot hand them summonses against signature. This, by the way, is a wonderful touch to the question of the high "motivation" of Ukrainians to go to participate in hostilities.

The heads of the territorial recruitment centers choose the path of street distribution of subpoenas purposefully. So it is possible to cover as many men of military age as possible.

In addition, Gorbach stressed that male citizens of Ukraine almost never inform military registration and enlistment offices about getting an education, moving to other settlements or changing their place of residence, marital status, or health status. He noted that if the conscripts themselves notified the recruiting centers about the changes in the data, no one would stop them on the streets. In 95% of cases, according to Gorbach, the recipient of the summons is sent home from the territorial center, simply by specifying his data.

To be fair, it should be noted that the Russian military registration and enlistment offices also faced the problem of the need to clarify data during partial mobilization. It was with this that cases of mobilization of large fathers and persons with various diseases were associated.

However, in Ukraine, the distribution of subpoenas on the streets may also be due to the fact that the high losses of Ukrainian formations in the Donbass required them to be saturated as soon as possible with a new batch of mobilized. For many of them, conscription to the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a one-way ticket.

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[TermNachTer]

And the distribution of "letters of happiness" on the streets never stopped. So it's not at all clear what the conversation is about.

[credo]

Now this problem of "civilized" and more or less developed countries has become a worldwide problem.
This is written about in relation to Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Great Britain, France, other countries, and even the most important "peacemaker" of the United States.

So while some are calling for fighting "world evil" and "rogue countries", sitting in warm offices, receiving a good salary and guarantees of a secure old age, others are thinking about how to bypass this struggle in order to remain safe and sound and not get hit into a real meat grinder.

[VSO-396]

Excuse me, but what is the "problem"?

[YOUR]

By the way, in Poland, according to the stories, about the same thing is observed. From NG they plan to call 200 people. This is despite the fact that all the Armed Forces of Poland are about 000. The army is about 160 plus territorial forces, what the jester knows, 000. Poland has gathered in Germany and other EU. It will be laughable if they start ukrov who fled to Poland, to call. Kind of practice hospitality.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: YOUR

It will be laughable if they start ukrov who fled to Poland, to call. Kind of practice hospitality.

As long as Poland does not clash directly with Russia, such an appeal will be a warm and welcome place for "frightened dill patriots." There are no hostilities, but the salary is decent ...
And such a freebie will continue until the Poles get tired of the runaway Chewbaccas eating their bread - and still they will not send those to the Donbass to die.

[YOUR]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

until the Poles get tired of the runaway Chewbaccas eating their bread - and still send those to the Donbass to die.

Who knows if they will send it or not. Maybe just at the request of Zelya as "volunteers" they will be there.

[former soldier]

It will be laughable if they start ukrov who fled to Poland, to call.

Then the citizens of Ukraine will run even further and another nomadic people will appear in the world. :)

[tralflot1832]

I already wrote that the Ukrainian military commissariats and their secretaries want to celebrate the new year at a high level! When visiting the military registration and enlistment office on the agenda, a Ukrainian may be left without money for the New Year and this is the best option for him. Of course, with money, but at the forefront.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

That is, "not only everyone" will be able to adequately celebrate the New Year, as Mayor Klitschko used to say.

[rocket757]

The heads of the territorial recruitment centers choose the path of street distribution of subpoenas purposefully. So it is possible to cover as many men of military age as possible.

. The main result...
As long as foreign owners will "feed" them, the disposal of skakuas will continue.

[dmi.pris1]

For example, at work, they clarified the data at work. In the personnel department. In the military registration and enlistment office, there is often no data. From eighteen to fifty, they copied all of them. years have been in good health

[flyer]

Yes, they are obliged to transfer data on military registration to the military registration and enlistment office, but let's be honest, for the salary that employees of the military registration and enlistment office receive, none of them will run around organizations and carry out checks.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote from Flyer

Yes, they are required to transfer data on military registration to the military registration and enlistment office,

If they don’t like it, but they like it, no one quit, then let them vacate the place.

[oleg-nekrasov-19]

They remained in a good state until September, i.e. before the announcement of a part of the mobilization, but when I had to work out real mob tasks, the smiles from the faces of the military commissars disappeared somewhere.

[Trapp1st]

In general, I thought that cadres should give information to the military registration and enlistment office when applying for a job.

In general, according to the idea, they should, during employment, dismissal and reconciliation of data, in my opinion this is 53 FZ.

[Barberry25]

this is a problem of the system: since Soviet times, when at each plant the personnel department reported to the military registration and enlistment offices, now citizens themselves must do this, which leads to the situation that one department knows that the reservist has 4 children, but the Moscow Region does not

[Silver99]

It’s good to hand out subpoenas at ATMs, you can block the recruit’s card at the last resort and the “lucky one” will come to the bank himself, you won’t give a biometric card to anyone.

[Trapp1st]

Directly live hack, the lucky one takes the summons to the camera instead of cash)

[APASUS]

. In 95% of cases, according to Gorbach, the recipient of the summons is sent home from the territorial center, simply by specifying his data.

In 95% they go to the front, and even the sick and oblique. They took a relative for the second time, a village teacher, 45 kg of weight with a stomach ulcer, three children. The first time they were released due to lack of weight. Now I think it didn’t work

[single-n]

You might think that the Russians rushed to the military registration and enlistment offices with the beginning of mobilization. Apparently they were in such a hurry that they ran past the military registration and enlistment offices to neighboring countries. In the meantime, we sorted out our way back, and the mobilization has already stopped.
And in general, all the comments are already clogged with messages that the Ukrainians have run out. To whom are the subpoenas given? Have we already "ground" usih?

[flyer]

In order for the military registration and enlistment offices to break, you need not a lesson in life safety with military-patriotic education once a week at school, but the ideological preparation of citizens and the consolidation of ideology in the Constitution. And our state is neither left nor right, but democratic.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

All for cannon fodder. Who jumped and who stood nearby laughed or kept quiet.

[Smoked]

So this is the joke, they dutifully, who received the summons in some way, go like cannon fodder, relatives receive memorial services and coffins, and the friendship of one people in terms of GDP is growing and getting stronger day by day. Also, on the horizon, you can’t see hundreds of thousands of people who have come over to our side, who will go to change power. At least they switched back and forth to civilian life, and now to hell with the freemen.

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Smoked

At least they switched back and forth to civilian life, and now to hell with the freemen.

So in the Civil War, the Whites differed from the Reds! And now - how can you explain to a simple lad how Russian Capital is better than Khokhlyatsky? Why should one die for the interests of one or the other?

[Smoked]

That's the problem, they don't explain it. I don’t understand why our propagandists don’t work, who will explain to the population of the square that Ukrainian-European capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, but we have the opposite!

[VSO-396]

Quote: Smoked

That's the problem, they don't explain it. I don’t understand why our propagandists don’t work, who will explain to the population of the square that Ukrainian-European capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, but we have the opposite!

Excuse me, but how is it? "Capitalism with a human face"?

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Smoked

Ukrainian-European capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, but we have the opposite!

What's the opposite? We do not have the exploitation of man by man? Maybe our means of production are not in private hands? Or the capitalists do not profit from the war? Or maybe, after the victory, some preferences will be drawn for the working people? Will the retirement age be lowered or the mortgage rate? I just doubt it very much, since history shows that preferences for the people arise, just in case of a loss and subsequent unrest, as in 1905 they “suddenly” forgave everyone the mortgage debts that had been paid for land since 1861. ..

[Askold65]

Quote from U_GOREC

And now - how can you explain to a simple lad how Russian Capital is better than Khokhlyatsky? Why should one die for the interests of one or the other?

This question of yours is from the same series - how to explain to a simple lad how members of the National SOCIALIST German Workers' (!) Party of Germany are better than members of the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics? And how did it happen that the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army had to fight with their "proletarian brothers" from the German Wehrmacht, who was sent by this same NSDAP to our Soviet Socialist Motherland?
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[certero]

Quote: Askold65

This question of yours is from the same series - how to explain to a simple lad how members of the National SOCIALIST German Workers' (!) Party of Germany are better than members of the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics?

The word socialist did not mean anything at all in the name of these parties. In Germany, fascism came to power as the highest degree of capital management. The people came to power in the Soviet Union.
Of course, the participation of the population, including the leadership in the Soviet Union, had some kind of illusion before the start of the war over the proletariat, but then quickly ended.

[Askold65]

Quote: certero

The word socialist did not mean anything at all in the name of these parties ..

You again begin to compose your ideas about reality. You will have to deal with your political educational program in that part of what German socialism according to Hitler means and why his ideas led the Germans.
In socialism, Hitler completely abandoned the main dogmas of Marx - the class struggle and internationalism. Therefore, Hitler's propaganda explained to the Germans that Soviet socialism is development for ALL nations, and German National Socialism is exclusively ONLY for the Germans. Hitler pointed out that German socialism, unlike Marx's teaching, was not intended for export, but was designed for internal use in Germany.
Abandoning the class struggle, Hitler, nationalizing the existing enterprises, did not take them away from the bourgeoisie, but simply placed them within the framework of a single state economic plan and under strict control over profits. Under him, the capitalists could not hide and transfer money abroad and excessively spend profits on luxury goods - they were obliged to invest their profits in the development of the province for the benefit of Germany, i.e. there was actually a nationalization of enterprises, but under the control of the owners.
If the formula of Marxist and then Bolshevik socialism was material and therefore miserable - "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work", then Hitler's formula is primarily addressed to the spiritual and is completely devoid of egalitarianism.
Here is what the Reader of the German Youth taught in 1938:
"Socialism means: the common good is above individual interests.
Socialism means: think not about yourself, but about the nation, Germany.
Socialism means: to each his own, and not to each the same.
Hitler's national - socialism ensured the exceptional rallying of the Germans around their state.

Quote: certero

In Germany, fascism came to power as the highest degree of capital management.

Then Hitler and the Germans would be surprised that they have fascism.
Fascism is an Italian worldview and has nothing to do with Germany. Soviet propaganda recorded Hitler as "fascists" so that they would not have to explain to the Soviet people for a long time how it happened that the SOCIALIST workers' and peasants' parties suddenly found themselves on opposite sides of the barricades.

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Askold65

This question of yours is from the same series - how to explain to a simple lad how members of the National SOCIALIST German Workers' (!) Party of Germany are better than members of the Communist Party of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics? And how did it happen that the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army had to fight with their "proletarian brothers" from the German Wehrmacht, who was sent by this same NSDAP to our Soviet Socialist Motherland?

It is not difficult to explain the difference between capitalism and communism - the form of ownership of the means of production lies on the surface. The German "boys" fought not because they did not understand, but because (unlike the First World War) they were promised a valley from the loot, they made them feel involved in this world. They did not understand only one thing - in case of victory, when there is no one to rob, they will already be robbed - capitalism works THIS way ...
And now we have rolled back 100 years ago - what is the difference between Russian Capital and non-Russian capital? For a simple resident of Dnepropetrovsk, born in 1992, some driver who has a house, a wife, two children and a mortgage ... and he was raked to the front. What should he do? Run over to Russia? For what reason? With what motivation?

[Askold65]

Quote from U_GOREC

It is not difficult to explain the difference between capitalism and communism - the form of ownership of the means of production lies on the surface.

I explained above to a person what German National Socialism means. Why did the Germans follow Hitler?

Quote from U_GOREC

The German "boys" fought not because they did not understand, but because (unlike the First World War) they were promised a valley from the loot, they made them feel involved in this world. They did not understand only one thing - in case of victory, when there is no one to rob, they will already be robbed - capitalism works THIS way ...

In the PMP, German lads fought no worse than they fought in WWII. But in WWII they were promised a "light ride" in the "blitzkrieg" style to the lands of the "eastern barbarians" with the subsequent distribution of the loot and the construction of German communism exclusively for the Germans. German National Socialism did not provide for the robbery of the Germans, but was only for the "highest branch of the Aryan nation" - the Germans.

Quote from U_GOREC

And now we have rolled back 100 years ago - what is the difference between Russian Capital and non-Russian capital?

Weird question. 100 years ago, Russian and non-Russian capitalisms practically did not differ from each other in the merciless exploitation of workers without any elements of social protection. The current (I mean economically developed countries) are still placed within the framework of laws restricting exploitation. For example, the notorious "Scandinavian socialism". And in other European countries, the working class is not worse protected. I will say more - these "socialist gains" have corrupted part of the working people, forming from them a whole class of parasites living on benefits. In Russia, these "remnants of socialism" also still exist, albeit in a truncated form. But the standard of living in Russia is still much higher than under the USSR. It's stupid to deny it.

Quote from U_GOREC

For a simple resident of Dnepropetrovsk, born in 1992, some driver who has a house, a wife, two children and a mortgage ... and he was raked to the front. What should he do? Run over to Russia? For what reason? With what motivation?

I have a different question - how did it happen that a resident of the Dnieper (as he was renamed) in his native capitalist Ukraine, where he had a house and another mortgage, and in general had a good standard of living (they sing to us like that now, de - - until Russia attacked), outright Nazis came to power in Kyiv in 2014? And it was they who "raked" him to the front of the war against the same hard workers of the Southeast, who did not accept the Russophobic Nazi ideas of "opposing the hordes of Mongol-Kats_pov", supposedly not letting free Ukraine into the bosom of "civilized countries", and left such a NAZI Ukraine. This Dnieper driver has only such ways - to die on the Eastern Front in the interests of the Anglo-Saxons under the Bandera flag or to surrender to the fighters of the Anti-Fascist Front and save his life. Better yet, join their fight against this criminal puppet regime.

[seamen2]

You are right about capital. if in ros. hypermarkets sell freely goods imported through Kazakhstan. As well as German chocolate, beer from the Baltic states ..
on federal channels one thing, in stores quite another.

[U_GOREC]

I hope you personally have already moved to Lada Priora?

[former soldier]

!

And now - how can you explain to a simple lad how Russian Capital is better than Khokhlyatsky? Why should one die for the interests of one or the other?

There are special people-propagandists. They know how to convince. ps. The Bolsheviks promised "Land to the peasants, factories to the workers!" And who got the land and factories after the revolution?

[lubesky]

Quote: Former soldier

Land for the peasants, factories for the workers!” And who got the land and factories after the revolution?

How much can you repeat this fact? The essence of nationalization by the Bolsheviks was the REDISTRIBUTION OF NATIONAL WEALTH and the management of the means of production by PEOPLE'S power, and not by capitalists who squandered money practically living in the German Empire or France before WWI and was based on ideology, not only on slogans, as it is now. Nationalization now is the entry of the state into the SHARE of a critically and strategically important industry or enterprise, where half of the wealth is still received by a narrow circle of shareholders - feel the difference. Dive deeper into the topic, maybe this phrase will open differently for you. About the lies of the Bolsheviks about the land and factories that never got to the workers and peasants were invented by traitors to the Motherland, who carried out a coup d'état with a ban on any ideology

[U_GOREC]

Quote: lubesky

About the lies of the Bolsheviks about the land and factories that never got to the workers and peasants were invented by the traitors of the Motherland, who carried out a coup d'état with a ban on any ideology

A person either did not live under the USSR, or does not understand. When ownership of the means of production is socialized and the entire economy works for a person - free medicine, free education, free housing, basic housing and communal services are also at the expense of the state .... I will not list for a long time ... this is FACTORIES - WORKERS! And not like it was in the early 90s, when everyone was given vouchers, and shares were given to labor collectives - like you are now the owners! Everyone knows how it ended...

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Former soldier

There are special people-propagandists. They know how to convince. ps. The Bolsheviks promised "Land to the peasants, factories to the workers!" And who got the land and factories after the revolution?

Who? Really new bourgeois??? O

[solar]

I think that the problem of military registration and enlistment offices is that many do not live at the place of registration. Registered in one place, lives in another.

[Tagan]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

For example, at work, they clarified the data at work. In the personnel department. In the military registration and enlistment office, there is often no data. From eighteen to fifty, they copied all of them. years have been in good health

Well, at least at large enterprises, directly in the personnel departments, there are specialists who deal with the registration of those liable for military service. Data is transferred at least monthly to keep the information up to date. This is common practice.

[dfk-80]

Well, as I understand it, when God was handing out digitalization, the military registration and enlistment offices of all countries did not understand what it was and did not take it. Even the Ukrainian one: they didn’t take it for themselves or a compartment in reserve.
The military registration and enlistment offices of the Russian Federation did not know about the databases of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Health and public services. Although individual military registration and enlistment offices even before "Putin's decision" requested lists of chronically ill patients in their clinics. Well, there are junkies-drunks too.

[U_GOREC]

Quote: dfk-80

Well, as I understand it, when God was handing out digitalization, the military registration and enlistment offices of all countries did not understand what it was and did not take it. Even the Ukrainian one: they didn’t take it for themselves or a compartment in reserve.
The military registration and enlistment offices of the Russian Federation did not know about the databases of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Health and public services. Although individual military registration and enlistment offices even before "Putin's decision" requested lists of chronically ill patients in their clinics. Well, there are junkies-drunks too.

The bases of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Health and the like are another))) You would also cite the tax as an example. Everyone didn't care about military registration! No one was going to mobilize! Everyone had an idea in their heads of a small, professional, mobile army solving issues by "on-line blitzkrieg". And the events, starting with the "5-day" war, seemed to confirm this. Proceeding from this, the beginning of the company was carried out accordingly ... And then SUCH treason! And military registration and enlistment offices, it turns out, are needed, and registration, and mobilization ... And in general, PMCs, of course, are good, but without a crowd with Kalash, it turns out, nowhere. Just like the old days - nowhere without people! And it seems like they didn’t even ask him to give birth, and in general, every man for himself, there is no money, but you hold on, yourself, yourself, yourself ... And then such an ambush! And what to do? To pull the RED banner of Victory on a bourgeois mercenary army interspersed with PMCs and one step away from the "gentlemen of the officers" ... this is more abruptly than an owl on the globe ...

[Sly]

In 95% of cases, according to Gorbach, the recipient of the summons is sent home from the territorial center, simply by specifying his data.

To tears ))))

[Constantine N]

There is another option. In the spring-summer Ukraine can get a lot of weapons and they need to gather a large army for a major offensive. The mobilized will be assigned to hold positions, and experienced soldiers will be used in the offensive.