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US press: Ukraine requested the supply of 100 A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft

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US press: Ukraine requested the supply of 100 A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft

Ukraine asked the United States for the supply of A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft, but Washington was forced to refuse Kyiv. According to the Washington Post, this happened at the very beginning of the Russian special military operation.


According to the publication, in March of this year, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov personally addressed the head of the Pentagon with a request to supply the Ukrainian army with 100 (one hundred) A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft, better known as the Warthog ("Warthog"). In Kyiv, they calculated the available number of American aircraft and came to the conclusion that the US Air Force has a hundred "extra" attack aircraft that could be used against "Russian tank columns".

Reznikov himself confirms this information and notes that US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin directly refused to supply aircraft, saying that "this is impossible." In addition, the Pentagon considered that the Warthog would be extremely vulnerable to Russian air defense.

In July of this year, US Air Force Secretary Frank Candell said that Ukraine could receive American A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft if the United States refuses to operate them. The US Air Force currently has 281 A-10C aircraft in service. Candell suggested that the Air Force may abandon the A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft, since this aircraft is already outdated and does not meet modern requirements.

At the same time, Kyiv said that Ukraine does not need the "old" attack aircraft, but fighters, preferably more. The Pentagon also stated that the Warthog is not intended to break into areas saturated with military air defense, therefore it cannot be used in Ukraine due to Russian air defense, which closed the sky over the positions of both armies.
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  1. voice of reason
    voice of reason 25 December 2022 10: 46
    +8
    Well, where are the Little Russians without the "warthog"! And so it draws like to like. They will also ask for a "death star", Mr. Zelensky-Belensky heard that it is very effective ...
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 25 December 2022 11: 11
      +11
      the "star of death" will be asked,
      ... well, judging by the kina, her sinful one was easily destroyed with the help of one fighter ... any bookmaker's office will rate the death star and fighter 100 to 1
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 December 2022 12: 16
        +8
        US press: Ukraine requested the supply of 100 A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft
        - that is, almost half of the available? fool
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 25 December 2022 12: 40
        +7
        It was necessary not to ask but to demand, ultimatively, at least 400 pieces, it doesn’t matter that the United States doesn’t have such a quantity, the main thing is the process itself and not the result wassat
        1. seamen2
          seamen2 25 December 2022 14: 12
          +1
          there is an opinion that the hromadain Melnik would be suitable for the post of extraordinary and plenipotentiary council in the United States.
        2. Silver
          Silver 26 December 2022 20: 18
          0
          According to the principle - ask for more, they will still give less ... Or they won’t give at all ...
  2. Pharmacist
    Pharmacist 25 December 2022 10: 49
    +25
    The Americans, too, I see, not everything, thank God. There are planes, but they should fly only where there is no air defense. Probably, the natives of Africa or Asia are a nightmare. And "against the young man - the sheep himself."
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 25 December 2022 11: 03
      +9
      Yes, with the collapse of the USSR, the American military-industrial complex sank great both in terms of volume and quality of iron. In many productions (like ours), old shots are gone or non-existence. Events in the eastern part of Europe are absorbing material resources like a black hole, but there are questions about its replenishment (right now). A-10s are not produced and it is impossible to make up for their loss in a reasonably short time (if at all possible, because the design documentation and production equipment, if preserved, then the first one needs to be read, and the second one still needs to be able to be used, and this is time-time and more times time).
      So the decision of the "lake" people can be understood. "Let's see" what other surprises will come out of the opened Pandora's box.
      1. Vyacheslav57
        Vyacheslav57 25 December 2022 11: 56
        +1
        Let me disagree with you -
        Events in the eastern part of Europe are absorbing a material resource like a black hole, but there are questions about its replenishment (right now)

        This is what Ukraine was created for ( it would not have happened here , it would have flared up elsewhere ) . Europe is losing its material resources, while America feels quite well against this background. An example of this is the "warthog" A-10. Start of release 1976 end of 1984. To whom else would they push this old junk, and so their military-industrial complex will also receive not a frail penny. And none is not going to replenish, whether to revive production.
      2. Rustic
        Rustic 25 December 2022 15: 43
        +1
        design documentation and production equipment, if preserved, then read the first, and still need to be able to use the second,
        Everything is much worse. There, not only the documentation, and even more so the equipment, was not preserved. There were no competencies even for the development of such machines at all. Even if they really want to, it’s all the same, they won’t be able to make a similar plane again.
    2. Petr_Koldunov
      Petr_Koldunov 25 December 2022 12: 35
      +6
      The same thing came to mind! On one Tomcat against five MIGs, only Mavrik in the film can fly out (and win). But in life, according to the Americans, apparently, combat sorties can be made only where it is guaranteed that they will not shoot from the ground, no one will sit on the wing from the air.
    3. Dmitrii512
      Dmitrii512 25 December 2022 13: 51
      +2
      Any attack aircraft or fighter will not be able to fly with impunity where strong air defense
  3. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 25 December 2022 10: 54
    +6
    Ukraine asked the United States for the supply of A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft,
    .... U-drug addicts have castles in the air as if from a cornucopia ... even with giblets, Canada agreed to provide the AF-18 Hornet .. but with the conditions that the U-army itself would serve them ... they refused ... but here "bearded man" ... it should be recalled that this is the most expensive aircraft in the west of the battlefield for one sortie
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 December 2022 10: 55
    +4
    Ukraine asked the US to supply A-10 attack aircraft
    And why didn’t the Ukrainian side ask the United States and Europe - even at one time there was talk about returning the status of a nuclear power to Ukraine and, of course, with the help of the United States. Therefore, the A-10 is just one of the cogs in the begging mechanism. In order not to give it to Ukraine, the Americans even honestly admitted that it was intended for war with those who lack air defense, i.e. third world countries. But the Ukrainians were not at a loss and immediately began to ask for the F-16.
    1. Dmitrii512
      Dmitrii512 25 December 2022 13: 56
      +2
      Well it is clear. Not a single aircraft in the world is designed for this. First, air defense is suppressed, and only then the full-fledged operation of aviation is possible.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 25 December 2022 10: 56
    +5
    US press: Ukraine, at the beginning of the Russian military defense, requested the supply of A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft
    . There is air defense on both sides of the conflict, so the actions of enemy aircraft are very limited ...
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 25 December 2022 11: 06
      +1
      . There is air defense on both sides of the conflict, so the actions of enemy aircraft are very limited ...
      ... the junta has practically nothing left of its own .. and the dosed supply of air defense systems is not air defense in the full sense
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 December 2022 11: 36
        +10
        We will say that they do not have air defense when there really is none left, but for now ... as long as they have a pair of each, it can shoot down our planes ... and shoots down, by the way! Not often, but there are facts and this must be realized, taken into account.
        By the way, I am coordinating from behind a hillock, or even direct, operational leadership, this is not a halyam bala! It exists and it works.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 25 December 2022 15: 24
          +1
          We will say that they do not have air defense
          ... and it doesn’t exist in Vnau ... there are separate areas with MANPADS .... evil tongues say that in addition to stingers, the British Javelin MANPADS (not to be confused with Amer ATGMs), and the Swedish RBS-70 ... although it’s hard to believe about the latter because the 70s are conditionally portable MANPADS
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 December 2022 15: 49
            +1
            A purely technical, important aspect of the work of any air defense is the control of airspace, if not on the whole, then on a large territory of the state ... does it exist or not ???
            Apparently, there is control ... even if it’s not Kukuev’s air defense, even if not everywhere and not everything, everything, but these are already details, information is provided to them promptly. The information is brought to those air defense systems that they have and they can use them in those places where the air defense systems themselves are in an "ambush" ... and then, only the question of the readiness of the calculations, the performance characteristics of the complexes themselves, their technical condition!
            They will hit, they won’t hit, I don’t want to guess ... they can hit and shoot down! That is why our aviation does not fly wherever it wants ... but this could be one of the most powerful arguments in conducting the NWO.
            That is, not our or someone else's Wishlist, but a real assessment of the situation.
            That's it.
            RџSЂRё
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 25 December 2022 16: 33
              +2
              The absence of opposition to the Aerospace Forces would radically decide the course of the NWO. As soon as possible. Only Wishlist is not achievable. It will quickly pump up the glade with its equipment and NATO calculations. They always fight like that themselves, so they understand what needs to be done.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 December 2022 16: 50
                0
                That's right, aviation, if it could, leveled a lot there with the ground, but ... time has been lost, now the problems will have to be solved by other methods.
              2. Silver
                Silver 26 December 2022 20: 24
                0
                They don't fight themselves, they fight with someone else's hands...
            2. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 25 December 2022 16: 37
              0
              Information is brought to those air defense systems that they have and they can use them in those places where the air defense systems themselves are in an "ambush" ... and then,
              ... well, in such a way why the entire power system is paralyzed in Vnau ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 December 2022 16: 47
                0
                And how do they shell objects in the depths of the Kukuevskoye territory?
                Drones - bombs, long-range missiles ... this is a difficult target for any air defense, especially the solo team that they have.
                Everything is clear, everything is logical ...
      2. Rustic
        Rustic 25 December 2022 15: 47
        0
        .the junta has practically nothing left of its own
        Still as left. And in huge quantities.
        That's just it - dope, gizmos, and narcotic nonsense. laughing
  6. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 25 December 2022 11: 20
    +1
    Even a fool understands that the A10 will become scrap metal very quickly. By the way, does the USA have at least 50 pieces on the go?
    1. NAP
      NAP 25 December 2022 12: 02
      +1
      As of 2020, 367 A-10Cs are in service with the US Air Force
  7. fa2998
    fa2998 25 December 2022 11: 31
    +7
    Quote from Pharmacist
    There are planes, but they should fly only where there is no air defense. Probably, the natives of Africa or Asia are a nightmare. And "against the young man - the sheep himself."

    Well, why are you like this? The plane is worthy, only old, already being prepared for decommissioning. They were made according to the requirements at that time. hi
    RS. And the cannon is a work of art. Many modern aircraft cannot be taken on board, and they will not be raised. wassat
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 25 December 2022 15: 51
      0
      Many modern aircraft cannot be taken on board, and they will not be lifted
      So he would not have raised it if it had been made by an airplane, and not by wings and an engine bolted to a cannon.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 25 December 2022 16: 09
        +1
        I heard this, they used to say so about our IL-2. There are all the "dances" around the armored capsule. Engineers especially cursed. wink
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 25 December 2022 16: 28
          0
          Well, in general, yes. No other aircraft could afford to hang so much armor on itself. Let's say Pe-2 can be considered an analogue of Il. Only the Pawn had much better performance characteristics. The truth and the tasks of Ila, the Pawn could not even close. Everything is interconnected here.
    2. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 25 December 2022 18: 20
      0
      So I'm not talking about the plane, but about the theater of operations and tactics of use. A10 was made for the US Army in the 60s and 70s. To use it, it is necessary that the enemy be weaker, his own aviation must control the sky, plus the enemy should preferably have a complete absence of short-range air defense and MANPADS. All the same, the airplane was made around the gun, which means it should work on the enemy’s position, approaching a kilometer or two.
      This is probably why the United States wanted to refuse, but for the barmaley they left it for now. Yes, and a complicated toy for Ukraine, expensive, a problem with maintenance and spare parts.
  8. alexey_444
    alexey_444 25 December 2022 11: 56
    +3
    The Americans last worked against the fragmented but working air defense in Vietnam, but they have a memory, so the Hohland will not see any planes, only after the end of the war, business is above all. Because of this, Israel is not allowed to bomb Iran, who will buy their vaunted f-35s later. Well, this is not the top Gan 2, but real life. We all scold our Air Force, and who else in the world could work in Ukraine like that if not us.
  9. tarragon
    tarragon 25 December 2022 12: 14
    +1
    If it is still possible to transfer existing pilots to new fighters, then where can one get a hundred pilots and attendants for warthogs. To train and throw untrained pilots into battle is all ineffective, otherwise they probably wouldn’t refuse
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 December 2022 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: Tarhun
      where to get a hundred pilots and attendants for warthogs
      Lord, send a little intelligence to the 404th... but where to place it?
      Here at once 100? How about retraining? Foreigners have never been retrained, there are no sparks. Although, of course, enough of them are mothballed in AMARC ... well, in a few years ...
      Some kind of program is moving forward, at least 404 seems to be forming a list of the first group for retraining request
  10. Leader_Barmaleev
    Leader_Barmaleev 25 December 2022 12: 17
    0
    They ask for Thunderbolt, so they get a thunderbolt ... on the collar ... and a warthog under the covers am
    By the way - the Latin warthog - phacochoerus - is a very correct name in relation to the situation
  11. Denis812
    Denis812 25 December 2022 12: 20
    +1
    I didn’t really understand, even if Ukraine is given 100 A-10s, how will they use them? They will be shot down in the first days.
    1. Dmitrii512
      Dmitrii512 25 December 2022 14: 06
      -1
      Where does such confidence come from that they will be shot down on the first day?
      1. Rustic
        Rustic 25 December 2022 15: 54
        0
        Where does such confidence come from that they will be shot down on the first day?
        Indeed, how they will all be shot down if half of their old age falls apart while trying to take off.
      2. Denis812
        Denis812 25 December 2022 17: 46
        0
        From there. Air defense seems to be working. If something winged takes off, then it is lowered.
  12. Hiller
    Hiller 25 December 2022 12: 51
    0
    Well, the members of the saloreich, if they die. It's definitely not a lack of conscience. They do not know this concept from the word GENERAL. Kharya will crack the British flag am
  13. engineer74
    engineer74 25 December 2022 13: 13
    +1
    Hm ... Something modest recourse
    Potential partners have F-117s gathering dust somewhere - a real prodigy, in the 90s ... There was ... fellow
  14. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 25 December 2022 13: 14
    0
    And where can the Americans get these same A-10s? Only 715 cars were made, production was discontinued in 1984. Less than 60 vehicles remained in service. About XNUMX more were at the storage base in Arizona, but the condition there is such that they cannot be restored.
    1. Dmitrii512
      Dmitrii512 25 December 2022 14: 04
      0
      Well, they'll be given away. And the Americans themselves have new modern strike aircraft
      1. Rustic
        Rustic 25 December 2022 15: 58
        0
        And the Americans themselves have new modern strike aircraft
        A strike aircraft and an attack aircraft are far from the same thing. And they didn’t have a new attack aircraft either. For many decades now, no matter how hard they try, they cannot do it.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 27 December 2022 14: 16
        0
        Quote: Dmitrii512
        Well, they'll be given away. And the Americans themselves have new modern strike aircraft

        And with what joy to give it? Americans owe something to the 404th? They haven’t been able to pick up a replacement for this plane for many years, but here, take it and give a third to anyone? The naivety of the 404s mixed with arrogance is simply amazing. Well, and still ignorance of the subject ...
  15. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 25 December 2022 13: 37
    +1
    I think that Ukraine can only ask for what it will be told to ask.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 25 December 2022 16: 01
      0
      I think that Ukraine can only ask for what it will be told to ask.
      You clearly underestimate their arrogance, stubbornness and stupidity.
  16. sanik2020
    sanik2020 25 December 2022 13: 56
    0
    It doesn’t matter what the Banderas ask and what they will be given, it is important that the Bandera aviation works on the front line and in many cases with impunity. Here the question is about reliability and competent organization of air defense.
    1. zenion
      zenion 25 December 2022 14: 02
      -2
      If they shoot down Ukrainian aircraft, what will they take prisoner?
  17. zenion
    zenion 25 December 2022 14: 01
    -1
    What good Americans, they didn’t give Ukraine a bolt, or maybe it didn’t suit them, maybe it tore the place where the bolt is inserted and tore the thread to the ground.
  18. Old Doctor
    Old Doctor 25 December 2022 14: 07
    0
    Of course, I'm not an expert. Ukraine will receive 100 A-10s. But you need to train pilots, ground personnel. We need spare parts, weapons - shells for the cannon, rockets. Fuel. I do not think that this attack aircraft can be refueled with solarium or gasoline.
    1. iouris
      iouris 25 December 2022 14: 51
      +2
      Quote: Old Doctor
      Of course, I am not an expert.

      Of course. But you don't have to be ashamed of it. Those who asked also do not understand ..
      1. Old Doctor
        Old Doctor 25 December 2022 16: 44
        0
        And the question still haunts me. How do they want to get these planes - for money or, as they say in Odessa, "for free"? Such an aircraft costs 15-20 million dollars. It turns out at least 1 dollars. Serious money. And how much do rockets, shells for cannons, fuel cost? So instructors from the United States need to pay a salary. And shipping costs money.
  19. iouris
    iouris 25 December 2022 14: 50
    -1
    - Is it true that this tiger can eat twenty kg of meat at once?
    - Eat something from eat, but who will give a hole?
    In fact, they could have asked for 150. Yes, at least 120.
    1. Rustic
      Rustic 25 December 2022 16: 04
      0
      In fact, they could have asked for 150. Yes, at least 120
      Somehow your numbers are not going in the Ukrainian correct direction. It should be "Actually, they could have asked for 200. Yes, at least 500" laughing
      1. iouris
        iouris 25 December 2022 16: 16
        0
        After the exorbitant number of 20 Thunderbolts, any number means "very much." The number "very much" is the right point, which limits the interval and the range of the wishes.
        1. Rustic
          Rustic 25 December 2022 16: 24
          0
          The words "interval and range of wishes." in relation to these utyrki are not applicable. Due to the complete lack of any kind of adequacy.
  20. Egeny
    Egeny 26 December 2022 09: 35
    0
    asked the United States for the supply of A-10 attack aircraft

    Uncle Sam, give the wretched airships that you have kept since the 1st World War.)
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 December 2022 11: 39
    0
    It is necessary to give them panthers and tigers from the storerooms